[baggdis300]

Man shot at SkyTrain station, then rides train
He rode injured from Royal Oak to Edmonds

BURNABY (NEWS1130) - Quite a frightening commute for some SkyTrain users Tuesday afternoon. A man who was shot on a SkyTrain platform managed to hobble onto an eastbound train, full of rush-hour passengers.

The attack happened just after 5 p.m., at the Royal Oak station. "The victim was on the platform. There were a lot of people around, because it was rush hour. A shot or several shots were fired at him," explains Sgt. Ted De Jager.

Instead of waiting for help, the man boarded the eastbound train, but police caught up with him at Edmonds Station. He is expected to survive his injuries.

Police will be interviewing witnesses before concluding whether one or a number of people were responsible.



Link to article (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/201374--man-shot-at-skytrain-station-then-rides-train#Comments)

i was on the platform around 530ish and saw that there were 4 officers standing in front of the stairwell that was taped off..
lol, the guy doing the shooting had some fuckin balls to shoot the guy on a freaking skytrain station with tons of cameras.....

I think its safe to say that gun violence is on the rise.

[Jgresch]

lol, the guy doing the shooting had some fuckin balls to shoot the guy on a freaking skytrain station with tons of cameras.....


I'm sure there was a ton of people around and probably hard to pick up on the cameras....

[liu13]

i have a eerie feeling the guy was asian

[CRS]

Link to article (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/201374--man-shot-at-skytrain-station-then-rides-train#Comments)

i was on the platform around 530ish and saw that there were 4 officers standing in front of the stairwell that was taped off..
lol, the guy doing the shooting had some fuckin balls to shoot the guy on a freaking skytrain station with tons of cameras.....

I think its safe to say that gun violence is on the rise.

Yeah, lets take one incident and make a general claim.

[baggdis300]

:facepalm:
armed robbery @ oak ridge mall on the same fucking day?

yeah, thats really a general claim.......

[CRS]

:facepalm:
armed robbery @ oak ridge mall on the same fucking day?

yeah, thats really a general claim.......

Please pull some statistics that support your claim.

[Jgresch]

:facepalm:
armed robbery @ oak ridge mall on the same fucking day?

yeah, thats really a general claim.......

store gets robbed, man gets shot... shit, at this rate we will all be dead before 2012 kills us.

[Okami]

i have a eerie feeling the guy was asian

just like a korean drama.. get hit by a car? go home.. sleep it off..

[asahai69]

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife and hide yo husband cuz they shootin eurrbody out hurrrrrr

[HansonBoy]

Wasnt there a shooting near Fraser a couple weeks back? Think it was gang related though.

[yellowpower]

i have a eerie feeling the guy was asian

And whys that?

[Culverin]

Cause the average dealer wanna-be with a small dick complex isn't white?


Yes, I'm asian. Yes, I'm racist, but racial profiling is more statistically correct sometimes.

[yellowpower]

^ What?

First of all i dont understand wtf ur talking about

and second of all, i dont know anything about that "asian small dick" shit you're talking about

[StylinRed]

second of all, i dont know anything about that "asian small dick" shit you're talking about

:speechless: really?

:troll:

[yellowpower]

Yeah atleast not in my pants is what i meant *no troll face on that one*

[.Dream.Time]

^ What?

First of all i dont understand wtf ur talking about

and second of all, i dont know anything about that "asian small dick" shit you're talking about

I could tell you about it...

or better yet show you

[yellowpower]

ya rite you claimer. pics or :gtfo:

:troll:



edit: wait so u mean ur dick is small? LOL HAHAH

[AzNightmare]

I don't understand. Instead of waiting for help, he boarded the skytrain?
Does help reach you faster if you board a skytrain??

[BNR32_Coupe]

Please pull some statistics that support your claim.

dude, lets be reasonable, we've been hearing about it more often now in the news.

here's 164,000 links to support my claim:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=gun+violence+statistics+vancouver

fineprint for anal nit pickers: my claim is that there is evidence documented by the media that indicate an increase in gun related violence in vancouver

[BNR32_Coupe]

I don't understand. Instead of waiting for help, he boarded the skytrain?
Does help reach you faster if you board a skytrain??

He boarded the train cause he has things to do, people to see. Not going to let a couple shots get in the way

[StylinRed]

I don't understand. Instead of waiting for help, he boarded the skytrain?
Does help reach you faster if you board a skytrain??


Was probably afraid of staying at the area that he was getting shot at (where the shooter was still at)... and maybe he had to get on the train at the last moment to get away

[Alphamale]

dude, lets be reasonable, we've been hearing about it more often now in the news.

here's 164,000 links to support my claim:

http://www.google.ca/search?q=gun+violence+statistics+vancouver

fineprint for anal nit pickers: my claim is that there is evidence documented by the media that indicate an increase in gun related violence in vancouver

Please provide a direct link, because the top 4 links are out dates, spanning 2006-2008.

[BNR32_Coupe]

Please provide a direct link, because the top 4 links are out dates, spanning 2006-2008.

the fact that they're 3-6 years old doesn't discredit the long-term trend we're heading in. your sample of the first 4 links within said time-span doesn't dictate 2009 being the worst year in gun violence, yet you don't have to search google to know this (don't ask me for reference links cause you were out of town)

in laymens perspective, there's an increasing (per capita) trend in gun violence in vancouver over the long term. you can try and spin this around as much as you want and say "last month we had only 1 shooting, yet in february 2010 we had 0 shootings, so the trend must be declining" but if you stretch this over a graph you'd see the thing rising like a stock you wished you invested in. oh and you'd see a dip around february 2010, some significant event must've happened during that time.

[Alphamale]

the fact that they're 3-6 years old doesn't discredit the long-term trend we're heading in. your sample of the first 4 links within said time-span doesn't dictate 2009 being the worst year in gun violence, yet you don't have to search google to know this (don't ask me for reference links cause you were out of town)

in laymens perspective, there's an increasing (per capita) trend in gun violence in vancouver over the long term. you can try and spin this around as much as you want and say "last month we had only 1 shooting, yet in february 2010 we had 0 shootings, so the trend must be declining" but if you stretch this over a graph you'd see the thing rising like a stock you wished you invested in. oh and you'd see a dip around february 2010, some significant event must've happened during that time.

Actually, if you read the links you posted, despite the articles dated "2008" they use 2006 data. I would believe that is rather inconclusive as to what direction we're headed in considering these findings are going on 5 years old. Whether or not gun violence is indeed on the increase remains to be seen. Just because the 2006 data suggests something does not mean that will actually occur.

New York crime scene, for example. Late 80's to early 90's experts were predicting the metaphorical "end of the world" for NY. And what do you know, crime dropped hard and fast.

Get my point?

Direct link plz. It's your argument, you do the hw.

Edit: Also, if you're writing academic papers (depending on subject), trends and findings edging on 5 years old are boarding usability. But I'm sure you knew that.

[SpuGen]

just like a korean drama.. get hit by a car? go home.. sleep it off..

After bringing home a expensive bag filled with crumpled money, and tires marks on the bag. Die the next morning. Your older brother, who is in Law school, searches for your killer, along with your little brother who is a Mechanic, who happens to be friends with the older brother's friend, who's also in Law School to be a judge, like his father who is a Supreme Court Judge.

Turns out, some girl's father get blamed for the murder because he pushed the Victim into a wall, after he tried to fight him off his Daughter who was about to get "raped". The victim was hired to fake the rape situation by some psychopath Rich Kid who's Parents are the Top Lawyers in Korea. The Rich kid created this situation to "Save" the girl, so that she would fall in love with him.

The Father has an arrest warrant, and loses his Job, because the Rich kid's Parents forced the Father into paying compensation to the Victim's Parents, which means he admitted the fault. The Girl's family loses all thier money and are forced to sell thier house. The father goes into a Stroke, and is admitted to a Private Hospital, where the Oldest Daughter is forced to marry the Private Hospital's Heir.

The Victim's Parents run away with the Compensation money + the Bag, as ordered by the Rich Kid's Parents, while the Victim's brothers wanted to give the money back to the family. The Victim's older brother falls in love with the Girl who his brother was trying to "rape", and all three families bond to find the real killer.

5 Episodes of bullshit later, You find out that the Rich Kid's Parents are actually the Private Lawyers for the Hospital. The owner hires another Lawyer to find evidence, and AS IT SOMEHOW TURNS OUT, the new Lawyer actually worked for the Supreme Court Judge.

Oldest Sister and the Heir actually fall in love, but shortly after find out that the Heir's "sister" is actually the Heir's Daughter that he had back when he was a teenager. The Heir's daughter falls in love with the Victim's little brother, but they don't end up together.

TURNS OUT. At both incidents, the Victim's friend was there, and recorded the Victim getting run over. He comes back after the Lawyers tricked him into running away, and tries to help with the case. However, the phone is broken, and they lose the case.

4 Years later, the Victim's parents send the bag back to the brothers, and the Oldest Brother, now a Lawyer along with his friend who is a Judge, take down the Rich kid + his parents, and the Oldest brother and the Girl end up together.



Half assed synopsis. But it's an actual drama. HAH
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/It's_Okay,_Daddy's_Girl

[Culverin]

^ What?

First of all i dont understand wtf ur talking about

and second of all, i dont know anything about that "asian small dick" shit you're talking about

As in a little punk ass with something to prove. The type that is jumpy and fast to push people around and fast the pull the trigger when things get hairy.

There, does that sound better? In my experience, that still points to kappa kids (or whatever they are wearing nowadays).

[Matsuda]

I don't understand. Instead of waiting for help, he boarded the skytrain?
Does help reach you faster if you board a skytrain??

can't let a ticket go to waste!

[baggdis300]

As in a little punk ass with something to prove. The type that is jumpy and fast to push people around and fast the pull the trigger when things get hairy.

There, does that sound better? In my experience, that still points to kappa kids (or whatever they are wearing nowadays).

northface's hahahahaahahha

[danned]

nowdays.........damn

[rawr]

I was expecting this to happen in surrey
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[Raid3n]

As in a little punk ass with something to prove. The type that is jumpy and fast to push people around and fast the pull the trigger when things get hairy.

There, does that sound better? In my experience, that still points to kappa kids (or whatever they are wearing nowadays).

also doesn't help that most of the wannabe gangbangers in that area are asian.

[Mr.C]

What I find most amusing here is that there are all these "shootings" but very few actual deaths. What do people use here? .22s? Geez.

And don't blow this out of proportion, guys. Lower Mainland is still very, very, safe.

[baggdis300]

lol, sorry to say but Vancouver has MORE violent crimes than lets say seattle.

want to know why? Seattle has armed citizens, we don't.

heck, canadian cities have more violent crime than NYC and they are pretty anti-gun...

[twitchyzero]

we get it, you are obssessed over korean boy bands and sappy drama.

After bringing home a expensive bag filled with crumpled money, and tires marks on the bag. Die the next morning. Your older brother, who is in Law school, searches for your killer, along with your little brother who is a Mechanic, who happens to be friends with the older brother's friend, who's also in Law School to be a judge, like his father who is a Supreme Court Judge.

Turns out, some girl's father get blamed for the murder because he pushed the Victim into a wall, after he tried to fight him off his Daughter who was about to get "raped". The victim was hired to fake the rape situation by some psychopath Rich Kid who's Parents are the Top Lawyers in Korea. The Rich kid created this situation to "Save" the girl, so that she would fall in love with him.

The Father has an arrest warrant, and loses his Job, because the Rich kid's Parents forced the Father into paying compensation to the Victim's Parents, which means he admitted the fault. The Girl's family loses all thier money and are forced to sell thier house. The father goes into a Stroke, and is admitted to a Private Hospital, where the Oldest Daughter is forced to marry the Private Hospital's Heir.

The Victim's Parents run away with the Compensation money + the Bag, as ordered by the Rich Kid's Parents, while the Victim's brothers wanted to give the money back to the family. The Victim's older brother falls in love with the Girl who his brother was trying to "rape", and all three families bond to find the real killer.

5 Episodes of bullshit later, You find out that the Rich Kid's Parents are actually the Private Lawyers for the Hospital. The owner hires another Lawyer to find evidence, and AS IT SOMEHOW TURNS OUT, the new Lawyer actually worked for the Supreme Court Judge.

Oldest Sister and the Heir actually fall in love, but shortly after find out that the Heir's "sister" is actually the Heir's Daughter that he had back when he was a teenager. The Heir's daughter falls in love with the Victim's little brother, but they don't end up together.

TURNS OUT. At both incidents, the Victim's friend was there, and recorded the Victim getting run over. He comes back after the Lawyers tricked him into running away, and tries to help with the case. However, the phone is broken, and they lose the case.

4 Years later, the Victim's parents send the bag back to the brothers, and the Oldest Brother, now a Lawyer along with his friend who is a Judge, take down the Rich kid + his parents, and the Oldest brother and the Girl end up together.



Half assed synopsis. But it's an actual drama. HAH
http://wiki.d-addicts.com/It's_Okay,_Daddy's_Girl

[SpuGen]

Nope. Totally watched it for the hotties.

http://imgnews.naver.com/image/segye/2009/03/11/20090114000578_0.jpg
http://www.nemopan.com/pan_performer/3254686/page/files/attach/images/421/686/254/003/%EB%AC%B8%EC%B1%84%EC%9B%90_003.jpg
http://pds.joinsmsn.com/news/component/htmlphoto_mmdata/2007/09/14/htm_200709140946040201000002010400-001.jpg
http://img.tvreport.co.kr/images/20101111/20101111_1289459619_57252900_2.jpg
http://www.nemopan.com/pan_star/files/attach/images/6295/853/393/003/%EC%B5%9C%EC%9E%90%ED%98%9C-%EC%84%B1%ED%98%95_002.jpg
http://photo-media.daum-img.net/200907/23/moneytoday/20090723140005749.jpg
http://mydaily.ofscdn.com/FILES/201101/201101271431501110_1.jpg
http://pds.joinsmsn.com/news/component/newsen/201102/26/201102252146011001_1.jpg
http://nimg.nate.com/orgImg/st/2010/11/29/st_1290999841_1391974530_0.jpg
http://www.nemopan.com/pan_performer/3888044/page/files/attach/images/421/044/888/003/%EC%84%B1%EA%B7%A0%EA%B4%80%EC%8A%A4%EC%BA%94%EB%9 3%A4-%EA%B9%80%EB%AF%BC%EC%84%9C.jpg

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

I don't understand. Instead of waiting for help, he boarded the skytrain?
Does help reach you faster if you board a skytrain??

probably so the shooter doesn't finish him off

[yellowpower]

As in a little punk ass with something to prove. The type that is jumpy and fast to push people around and fast the pull the trigger when things get hairy.

There, does that sound better? In my experience, that still points to kappa kids (or whatever they are wearing nowadays).

The quick to shoot people these days arent asian i can guarantee u that. Most of them are hood rats especiay around royal oak. The asians, although it may not be entirely true, are either not down enough to pull a trigger or not stupid enuf to heat themselves out on a skytrain.
And plz, all the kappa wearing asians bushit is much too outdated. Most kids these days aint got shit to show except for the expensive clothes they so desperately seek money to buy.
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[baggdis300]

lol, no established dealer would do that. its just bad buisness why the hell would you pull a trigger and get cops all over your ass?
cops all over you = no privacy = no money

the people that WOULD do that are the street workers that want to make a name for them selves...

[Nlkko]

The quick to shoot people these days arent asian i can guarantee u that. Most of them are hood rats especiay around royal oak. The asians, although it may not be entirely true, are either not down enough to pull a trigger or not stupid enuf to heat themselves out on a skytrain.
And plz, all the kappa wearing asians bushit is much too outdated. Most kids these days aint got shit to show except for the expensive clothes they so desperately seek money to buy.
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+1

They'll silently cut you into pieces while you asleep and send body bags to your family.

The "punk ass who got something to prove" can be of any race equally.

[Leopold Stotch]

ya rite you claimer. pics or :gtfo:

:troll:



edit: wait so u mean ur dick is small? LOL HAHAH

by your logic, aren't you just a "claimer" as well?

lol, sorry to say but Vancouver has MORE violent crimes than lets say seattle.

want to know why? Seattle has armed citizens, we don't.

heck, canadian cities have more violent crime than NYC and they are pretty anti-gun...

to me i'd rather not have more guns around, the more guns people have, the more likely someone's going to use the guns.

[baggdis300]

look at the stats...

britian BANNED all guns, guess what? gun violence increased criminals don't follow the laws, so they still have guns.
and that means they are armed, we are not and they know that fact/depend on it.

prohibition does not work.

[Jsunu]

look at the stats...

britian BANNED all guns, guess what? gun violence increased criminals don't follow the laws, so they still have guns.
and that means they are armed, we are not and they know that fact/depend on it.

prohibition does not work.

Huh... Britain and all other countries that have lower levels of gun ownership has way wayy wayyyyy less gun related violence than in the states.

[Meowjin]

look at the stats...

britian BANNED all guns, guess what? gun violence increased criminals don't follow the laws, so they still have guns.
and that means they are armed, we are not and they know that fact/depend on it.

prohibition does not work.

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

[StylinRed]

they don't live next to the largest gun emporium in the world though


speaking strictly in terms of murders though per capita

# 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people

and the UK has the worst violent crime rate in EU according to the opposition govt in the uk :D

[baggdis300]

The United Kingdom has one of the lowest rates of gun homicides in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

sorry, i wrote that wrong. i ment to say violent crimes, NOT violent gun crimes..

[drunkrussian]

the fact that they're 3-6 years old doesn't discredit the long-term trend we're heading in. your sample of the first 4 links within said time-span doesn't dictate 2009 being the worst year in gun violence, yet you don't have to search google to know this (don't ask me for reference links cause you were out of town)

in laymens perspective, there's an increasing (per capita) trend in gun violence in vancouver over the long term. you can try and spin this around as much as you want and say "last month we had only 1 shooting, yet in february 2010 we had 0 shootings, so the trend must be declining" but if you stretch this over a graph you'd see the thing rising like a stock you wished you invested in. oh and you'd see a dip around february 2010, some significant event must've happened during that time.

what's a breast pump tho????
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[Hondaracer]

Prohibition = prohibiting carrying a concealed gun? Are you kidding
Me?

The people who are shooting eachother are ALL carrying unregistered illegal guns anyways, and odds are the vast majority of them
Could never legally own one to begin with from prior criminal records.

The answer is giving out 5-10 year sentences for carrying around illegal handguns, not enabling people who wouldn't otherwise carry one to do so, that is not in our culture and would not benefit anyone.

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[drunkrussian]

Prohibition = prohibiting carrying a concealed gun? Are you kidding
Me?

The people who are shooting eachother are ALL carrying unregistered illegal guns anyways, and odds are the vast majority of them
Could never legally own one to begin with from prior criminal records.

The answer is giving out 5-10 year sentences for carrying around illegal handguns, not enabling people who wouldn't otherwise carry one to do so, that is not in our culture and would not benefit anyone.

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the answer, like chris rock said, is not oulawing guns, but making bullets cost $1,000 each. "id shoot your ass up...if it wasnt so goddamn expensive". he's got a point tho lol...
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[drunkrussian]

The quick to shoot people these days arent asian i can guarantee u that. Most of them are hood rats especiay around royal oak. The asians, although it may not be entirely true, are either not down enough to pull a trigger or not stupid enuf to heat themselves out on a skytrain.
And plz, all the kappa wearing asians bushit is much too outdated. Most kids these days aint got shit to show except for the expensive clothes they so desperately seek money to buy.
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a lotta the club shootings are asians tho dude
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[Vansterdam]

What I find most amusing here is that there are all these "shootings" but very few actual deaths. What do people use here? .22s? Geez.

And don't blow this out of proportion, guys. Lower Mainland is still very, very, safe.

obv noones using aim-bots hacks

[baggdis300]

Prohibition = prohibiting carrying a concealed gun? Are you kidding
Me?

The people who are shooting eachother are ALL carrying unregistered illegal guns anyways, and odds are the vast majority of them
Could never legally own one to begin with from prior criminal records.

The answer is giving out 5-10 year sentences for carrying around illegal handguns, not enabling people who wouldn't otherwise carry one to do so, that is not in our culture and would not benefit anyone.

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every single thing that has been prohibited, is available on the black market.
and that black market is violent, and funding even more criminal activity.

if things were not prohibited there wouldn't be a need for the violence as disputes could be handled in court like normal businesses.

[Hondaracer]

The people who are using these guns could not get them if they were legal to begin with.. What difference would it make?

And if your talking about legalizing weed to curb violent crimes and gang activity I can all but guarantee -no one- is killing eachother over weed, it's all blow and crack and that shit is never being legalized so I don't get what your trying to say?

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[StylinRed]

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/resized-image.ashx/__size/400x0/__key/CommunityServer.Blogs.Components.WeblogFiles/realscoop/1145.Royal-Oak-suspect.jpg


Arrests in Tuesday's Burnaby Shooting

By Kim Bolan 23 Mar 2011 COMMENTS(2) The Real Scoop

Filed under: shooting, Real Scoop, Kim Bolan, Vancouver Sun, Burnaby RCMP

Burnaby RCMP are recommending charges against two teens and a 22-year-old arrested after the rush-hour shooting at the Royal Oak Skytrain station Tuesday. One of the arrests is pictured left in this RCMP handout photo.

The 22-year-old was the gunman, Sgt. Ted De Jager said. Names of the two older suspects will be released when they are formally charged and make their first appearance. The identity of the youngest suspect, whose 15, is protected by the Youth Criminal Justice Act.
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Three+arrested+Royal+SkyTrain+shooting/4493072/story.html

quick

[CanadaGoose]

Outlawing firearms will NOT do jackshit

Outlaws do not care about laws. :speechless:

Any laws against firearms in general, are targeting the wrong people! The law abiding people.

The only thing that will deter the use of firearms in an act of crime is fucking unreal punishment for all crimes involving the use of firearms.

There is an unbelievable amount of goddamn legal redtape for everything firearms related for law abiding citizens, register this, register that, apply for a permit to go here, apply for another permit to go there, renew this, ban that, and the whole time it's like walking a tightrope because we are subject to the full extent of the law; we get treated exactly like the idiot in the article above, if we are caught in violation of any of this communist russia bullshit....I just renewed my authorization to transport, because without it, I can not legally move my handguns around, it's a fucking joke, because....

MEANWHILE buddy starts blasting away in the middle of a public rush hour with an ILLEGALLY owned weapon that all the firearm laws and regulations in the WORLD would not have stopped - he broke the law just bringing it there - it's a freaking offense just POINT the damn thing at someone, so do you really think he even gave two shits about any laws before yanking the trigger? And people still want to push tighter laws and regulations? lol give me a break

[Geoc]

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Three+arrested+Royal+SkyTrain+shooting/4493072/story.html

quick

A 15,18, and 22 year old shooting someone in a crowded publicly surveillance place?

I'm not surprised they got caught this quick.

[Hondaracer]

Keep the long gun registration! And spend millions and millions controlling law abiding citizens when 99% of gun crime is commited with hand guns and illegal weapons
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[pastarocket]

So much for the getaway sky train for these shooters. Kudos for the RCMP for catching these punks quickly. :)

[CanadaGoose]

Keep the long gun registration! And spend millions and millions controlling law abiding citizens when 99% of gun crime is commited with hand guns and illegal weapons
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It's billions spent! Two billion wasted tax dollars - we could almost send a man to the moon with the money wasted so far on bureaucratic shit lol

Hmmm....send a man to the moon? Or shovel $2 billion dollars into a hole in the ground? :D lol

[baggdis300]

The people who are using these guns could not get them if they were legal to begin with.. What difference would it make?

And if your talking about legalizing weed to curb violent crimes and gang activity I can all but guarantee -no one- is killing eachother over weed, it's all blow and crack and that shit is never being legalized so I don't get what your trying to say?

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no you can't guarantee shit. you have NO idea what the fuck you are talking about.

people kill people over weed. it happens money is money, and gangs are gangs.

i know this from first hand experiences of people i know.

[Bonjour43MA]

Sorry guys, but gun control doesn't work - criminals don't give a shit about the law so why would they care about regulations that only law-abiding citizens would follow? Don't give me that bullshit about the UK having low crime rates - check the stats, the amount of KNIFE related violent crimes are way high *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6960431.stm*. Why? Criminals will commit crimes with whatever weapons they can find, guns or not. Take away the guns, they'll find knives or other objects to commit crimes with *http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm*. The UK has a complete ban on handguns and look what that did to their crime rates? It shot through the roof (pun intended)! Illegal/smuggled guns are still owned by criminals and your average citizen has nothing to defend themselves with...

When they lifted the gun ban in Washington, the anti-gun people predicted that gun violence would go up because everyone would be shooting at each other for no reason... well guess what, the opposite happened, and crime rate went DOWN. *http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/09/AR2010010902005.html* It's really common sense that when criminals know that you MAY be armed at any given time, they will make fewer attempts to commit crimes against you in fear of getting shot/hurt/killed. We are a civilized society right now but there are some really bad people out there that will do anything to get money or valuables from you by any means necessary, so the only real deterrent is to be ARMED, or, at least be able to defend yourself when you are being attacked.

You can regulate registered gun-owners all you want, but that will do NOTHING to decrease crime rates or gun-related shootings. These legal gun owners are licensed, background-checked, and follow some of the most strict gun-control rules in the world while at the same time being subject to punishments more severe than actual criminals! Do you honestly think that mr. gangster-wannabe will go through the whole process to get a gun and go out to commit crimes? :speechless: I blame our legal system for being too lenient on actual criminals and focusing too much on law-abiding citizens, simply because it is "easier" to control those that obey the law, rather than going out and enforcing the law on real criminals.

Almost all of the shootings in Vancouver so far are gang-related, targeted, and with unregistered/illegal firearms, and the rate of gun violence doesn't seem to be decreasing - so much for the gun registry and tough gun control that are supposed to make our society safer :failed: You know what would work, though - I would one day like to see our justice system side less with criminals (none of that human rights, rehabilitating bullshit we have now), hand out more severe punishments/sentences (got caught with illegal guns? automatic 5 year jail time), change self-defense laws so that the victims of robbery or home invasions don't end up in jail for defending themselves (google "Ian Thompson" and read the kind of bullshit laws apply to gun owners now, even in the face of imminent, life-threatening danger, you STILL get charged for defending your LIFE?) and allow registered gun owners to concealed carry if they choose to do so (with strict rules/requirements, of course). Watch our violent crime rate drop like nothing you've ever seen before...


Guys, this is in CANADA... where we can't defend ourselves and are supposed to lay there and die when faced with life-threatening situations

The attack captured on video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyiqCkgGDCQ

His lawyer discussing the case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lu0NnyDYoA

Can you imaging if he didn't have a gun, an didn't run out to fire a warning shot at his attacker? Yip, he would've been dead. but now he's facing possible jail time all for DEFENDING HIS LIFE. WTF?

[Hondaracer]

no you can't guarantee shit. you have NO idea what the fuck you are talking about.

people kill people over weed. it happens money is money, and gangs are gangs.

i know this from first hand experiences of people i know.

edit* from your responses in this post i'd lean towards you having no idea..

deleted my response i typed out as i figure it wasn't justified, but i'll say it again, no ones getting killed over weed, whether your talking a joint or a house.

[Ikkaku]

i know this from first hand experiences of people i know.

:noob:

they shoot you, they get in shit, you shoot them in defence, you get in shit... fuck this criminal justice system

[goo3]

When they lifted the gun ban in Washington, the anti-gun people predicted that gun violence would go up because everyone would be shooting at each other for no reason... well guess what, the opposite happened, and crime rate went DOWN. *http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/09/AR2010010902005.html* It's really common sense that when criminals know that you MAY be armed at any given time, they will make fewer attempts to commit crimes against you in fear of getting shot/hurt/killed. We are a civilized society right now but there are some really bad people out there that will do anything to get money or valuables from you by any means necessary, so the only real deterrent is to be ARMED, or, at least be able to defend yourself when you are being attacked.


I don't care about this gun thing, but your post has too much BS. For example, your link refers to 2009 homicide rates going down after DC's handgun ban was thrown out. For some perspective:

http://dcist.com/2010/12/homicides_in_dc_by_mayoral_administ.php

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In other words, you read too much propaganda. As far as I'm concerned, the gun lobby is as bad as PETA. Both are a bunch of cock-sucking liars.

[Bonjour43MA]

^^^ you can say that it's pure coincidence, or that "crime rate has been dropping anyway", but you can't deny the fact that banning guns have no direct impact on making the streets safer, which is what the politicians want you to believe (therefore, voting them into office).

I don't want to sit here all day pulling charts and data because I'm sure both sides manipulate them to suit their needs, but the fact of the matter is that gun control has been proven to have no direct effect on catching criminals, reducing crime rates, or reducing any type of illegal/criminal activities.

Not sure what "propaganda bs" you're talking about, but that's how the current Canadian firearms act and criminal justice system work right now - punish the good, ignore the bad. Did you read the papers just recently on how a convicted killer escaped from custody on a DAY PASS? EXCUSE ME? A DAY PASS for a convicted killer? How the HELL did that happen? Good thing they caught him shortly after: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2011/03/20/edm-bicknell-caught.html

The thing about the UK crime rate is true - not bs, look it up.

The thing about our broken criminal system - not bs, look it up.

The thing about Canadians having no rights to defend themselves (when firearms/lethal force are involved) - not bs, way too many cases recently, look it up.

I acutally think that our licensing program is half-decent and is a good system to have, similar to how one gets a driver's license (you need a car, get a license to prove that you are capable of safe-handling of it; need a gun, get a license to prove that you are capable of safe-handling it, etc). It's those judges, crown attorneys, some LEOs, and some politicians that are making responsible gun-ownership a pain in the ass and with punishments worse than actual criminal offenses.

So which part of my post is propaganda or bs?

[baggdis300]

edit* from your responses in this post i'd lean towards you having no idea..

deleted my response i typed out as i figure it wasn't justified, but i'll say it again, no ones getting killed over weed, whether your talking a joint or a house.


LOL are you fucking stupid?

two years ago a shack got shot up.
guess what they were only selling? weed.

people get shot for money, and what ever makes there money.

you have no idea on who/what i know of what has happened because of that simple fact, that weed makes gangs money.

[Hondaracer]

*yawn

[Meowjin]

I'm pretty sure only jackers are getting shot. Why do you think people wanted to kill those bacon brothers.

[baggdis300]

more so, people stealing other custie's

[StylinRed]

edit* from your responses in this post i'd lean towards you having no idea..

deleted my response i typed out as i figure it wasn't justified, but i'll say it again, no ones getting killed over weed, whether your talking a joint or a house.

actually there are... there was that old guy recently that was killed on his grow farm in the interior

there was an attempted murder of a senior too the trial is in the news currently over weed too