[white_guilt]

the most powerful and stable N/A motor and a forced inducted motor, which motor would you go with, and what components would you use? This is just a random question that I would like to hear peoples' opinions on (people with more knowledge than me).

Let's say money is no object and these are going to be your dream motors- doesn't have to mean the car will still be streetable. To stop people from just going with a BMW v12 or something, the displacement limit will be set at 4 liters.

[604CRX]

2JZ and lots of boost!

[dangonay]

Stupid to limit it to 4.0L displacement. You just excluded any Amercian V8, many of which can produce outstanding numbers.
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[roastpuff]

I *was* going to say the LS-series engines for both, but that damn displacement limit...

Honda RA109E 72° V10 (675hp at 13000 rpm), for N/A.

BMW M13 for turbo, with about 900hp.

No one said you couldn't use F1 engines... :fullofwin:

[k3mps]

rb26dett with gt2530 turbos, rom tuned ecu, hks headers, r1 titan exhaust

[white_guilt]

Stupid to limit it to 4.0L displacement. You just excluded any Amercian V8, many of which can produce outstanding numbers.
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I said, "stable" . jking. tell me more about some of the V8s than please, I've heard good things about the Ls1 engine, but I have no idea about American.

[k3mps]

I said, "stable" . jking. tell me more about some of the V8s than please, I've heard good things about the Ls1 engine, but I have no idea about American.

hennessey venom gt??

6.2L ls9, twin garret turbochargers, fuel injected v8. pushing up to 1200hp.

[white_guilt]

hennessey venom gt??

6.2L ls9, twin garret turbochargers, fuel injected v8. pushing up to 1200hp.

i put the displacement limit because to me, it's more impressive seeing 1000 or more horses squeezed out of something less than 4 liters, than a 12 liter beast, but that's just me.

btw, you guys have only mentioned the force inducted ones, how about the N/As?

[toyota86]

i'll play

boosted
rb26dett 2.8L stroker. call up tomei and tell them you want everything on their rb26 genesis catalog. over 600hp. 35k should do it.
http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-catalogue/000_complete-engine/image/big_photo/ph_rb26dett_g_p-2_big.jpg

not boosted
m60b40 race engine from vac motorsport. 4.0L v8 with itbs. rated well over 600hp in race form N/A. can be boosted for more power. no price listed but i bet its at least 30k
http://www.nexternal.com/vacmotors/images/M62%20plain%20VAC2.jpg

[bloodmack]

if i had unlimited resources id just build a motor from scratch. :)

[ilvtofu]

i put the displacement limit because to me, it's more impressive seeing 1000 or more horses squeezed out of something less than 4 liters, than a 12 liter beast, but that's just me.


It is also typically less reliable.

Anyways hands down a 911 motor ie. GT3RS for an N/A 3.8L 450hp, track proven

Even the basic 3.8 in the 997.2 carrera S is an awesome motor that has just under 400hp. Decent on gas and daily drivable, good starting point for a build I guess

[k3mps]

for the street, youre not gona get anything better than a BMW p60b40 engine
used in the m3gtr street version, 4.0L, 493hp

[!e.lo_]

Oh more RB love than I thought!

If I wanted to build a motor, yes, RB, but I'd go to Mine's. Gotta love response and pickup instead of outright power.

Buy a motor... BMW P83? 19,000RPM 900+hp.

[!LittleDragon]

http://image.turbomagazine.com/f/8548241/0202tur_12z+acura_integra_funny_car+valve_springs. jpg

Beyond 4.0L... Norwood's 4000hp 5.0L 4cyl drag engine that runs on nitromethane :D

[yogenfruz]

http://image.turbomagazine.com/f/8548241/0202tur_12z+acura_integra_funny_car+valve_springs. jpg

Beyond 4.0L... Norwood's 4000hp 5.0L 4cyl drag engine that runs on nitromethane :D

4.0L limit, haha.

Such a ridiculous engine though, gotta love drags.

[Tegra_Devil]

NSX 3.8L stroker, supercharged :)...fully built

[tofu1413]

hmm.. gonna be an idiot and build the world's first six rotor n/a motor.


fuse two 20B's together with a custom crank...

[PK-EK]

custom v8 block with 2 K20 heads..... 4.0L 500hp+ N/A easily with bolt ons....

[JoshuaWong]

NSX 3.8L stroker, supercharged :)...fully built

or maybe a a 3.5L V6 from the Super GT NSX? de-restricted of course ;)

[dangonay]

Kaase P-51 502 cubic inch V8. 800 HP, 740 lb/ft. Fully assembled and dyno tested for $14,900 US. Oh, and it's NA to boot.

Kaase P-51 (http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/component/content/article/211-520-ci-kaase-p-51-engine.html)

I'd love to see any Skyline or Supra get 800HP for only $15K and be anywhere near as reliable.

And this is only one engine I picked. If you google for Chevy, Ford or Mopar racing engines there are literally dozens of companies and hundreds of different engine combinations to choose from.

[2damaxmr2]

Twin charger 7mgte.

[Great68]

Kaase P-51 502 cubic inch V8. 800 HP, 740 lb/ft. Fully assembled and dyno tested for $14,900 US. Oh, and it's NA to boot.

Kaase P-51 (http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/component/content/article/211-520-ci-kaase-p-51-engine.html)

I'd love to see any Skyline or Supra get 800HP for only $15K and be anywhere near as reliable.

And this is only one engine I picked. If you google for Chevy, Ford or Mopar racing engines there are literally dozens of companies and hundreds of different engine combinations to choose from.

Why settle for a piddly little 502 (8L)making only 800 horse, when you can get an 820 (13.4L) making 1800+ ? :p

http://www.jonkaaseracingengines.com/images/stories/815fordhemi.jpg

Mind you, money would have to be no object because one of these bad boys is $60,000 or more

[skylinergtr]

i'll play

not boosted
m60b40 race engine from vac motorsport. 4.0L v8 with itbs. rated well over 600hp in race form N/A. can be boosted for more power. no price listed but i bet its at least 30k
http://www.nexternal.com/vacmotors/images/M62%20plain%20VAC2.jpg


i vant that vac m60 motor in my 5er so fricken bad.

that would be my option too.

[death_blossom]

how about take one of the WRC spec engines from last year and take out the restrictor plate.

[cococly]

http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/5611_110506112050.jpg

3.0L BMW V10 P83 Formula One Engine (2003 spec)

900hp@19200rpm!

[chris_89T]

I may be partially biased, but for me it would be:

Discovery Automotive built S62.

http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.php?308-A-proper-boosted-S62-build-by-Discovery-Automotive-622-whp

[asahai69]

pfft. 4L max................

[Muskys SS]

I'd love to see any Skyline or Supra get 800HP for only $15K and be anywhere near as reliable.


Building a rock solid 800hp 2jz is quite simple and it can be done for $15k or less, although it would need meth injection for around 25psi. Stock Bottom end... $1500, Upgraded Head.... $4000 or (fully built Longblock... $8000), 67mm< turbo setup.... $5000, Engine management... $2000
And then if you want put in some race gas and go for 1000hp. I wonder if that 800hp 520ci is a pumpgas engine.

[dangonay]

^ I'm sorry, but that's a pretty weak list. In my experience the cost to put together an engine is significantly more than just the cost of the parts/kits by themselves.

- Does that price include the injectors?
- Does it include an intercooler? All the necessary tubing/fittings for the intercooler? Labour to install the intercooler?
- You mentioned a meth kit. How much extra is that kit? And how much labour is required to install it? And does it require any additional setup/tuning, or does it just "work" once you turn it on?
- Does that include dyno time to tune the engine? Or is the engine management ready to go and only needs to be plugged in and turned on?
- Does that include labour to put the engine together? What about gaskets, seals and all the other little things you'll use when assembling the engine?

Perhaps a better question would be this:

If I came to you with a stock Supra and $15K (before taxes) am I going to leave with a fully built Supra engine (meaning everything from the crank to rods/pistons to valvetrain is 100% brand new) that's been fully-assembled and dyno-proven to produce 800HP and can be dropped into my car without requiring any additional components?

[ajax]

pfft. 4L max................

Nothing sounds better than a done up 454/427/426.

[asahai69]

I wonder if that 800hp 520ci is a pumpgas engine.


820hp on pump gas.


http://www.sonnysracingengines.com/engines/sar-555-cu-in-820-hp-racing-engine


check out their other engines aswell. fuken ridiculous



Nothing sounds better than a done up 454/427/426.

imo. V8s are the best sounding engines

[Mancini]

The displacement limit should be revised. Presumably, you don't want a gigantic, heavy motor.

I'd bet that a LSx series motor is not substantially heavier, or larger, than the 4.0 in the M3. The "old" pushrod technology that's so maligned among import enthusiasts also allows for a very compact design. They don't need to compete on specific output alone.

I'd also go NA. More than enough power for me.

[Birchum]

the displacement limit will be set at 4 liters.

Why i thought money was no object.

[Muskys SS]

^ I'm sorry, but that's a pretty weak list. In my experience the cost to put together an engine is significantly more than just the cost of the parts/kits by themselves.

- Does that price include the injectors?
- Does it include an intercooler? All the necessary tubing/fittings for the intercooler? Labour to install the intercooler?
- You mentioned a meth kit. How much extra is that kit? And how much labour is required to install it? And does it require any additional setup/tuning, or does it just "work" once you turn it on?
- Does that include dyno time to tune the engine? Or is the engine management ready to go and only needs to be plugged in and turned on?
- Does that include labour to put the engine together? What about gaskets, seals and all the other little things you'll use when assembling the engine?

Perhaps a better question would be this:

If I came to you with a stock Supra and $15K (before taxes) am I going to leave with a fully built Supra engine (meaning everything from the crank to rods/pistons to valvetrain is 100% brand new) that's been fully-assembled and dyno-proven to produce 800HP and can be dropped into my car without requiring any additional components?

Yeah I know what your saying. I'm a sucker for a big block too, I'm not just an import guy;). But you were only talking about the engine alone. There would be a lot of work that needs to be done to put that 520 in as well. Headers, Radiator, cooling fans, fuel system, modified mounts/crossmember depending on the car, then add labour for all that plus re/re.

Actually we've done a build like that on a stock 2jz before for under $15000 installed.
These figures are close because customer supplied some parts, but comparable to other kits

Single Turbo kit including piping and intercooler.... $6000
Fuel system upgrades.... $1200
Cams.... $1000
Engine Management...... $2000
Meth Kit..... $450
Installed and Tuned ...... $4000

Thats $14650.
Car made 590rwhp on our dyno which is around 785hp at the crank and is driven daily. I doubt the Kasse Engine would be a comfortable daily driver.

[atb]

2jz-ge, dry sump, 13:1 compression, triple sidedraft webers, bigass cams

fuck turbos