Government Struck Down

[JD¹³]

So the Conservatives have been defeated in the House of Commons this afternoon, essentially setting up a spring election. I don't follow politics that much but four elections in seven years is getting ridiculous. IMO the Conservatives have been doing a decent job.

The gang mentality of the opposition just feels childish. I watched some of the "discussion" today on TV and it was like a highschool "he said, she said" argument. Everyone just wants to be in power whether it's for the better of Canadians or not. The primary cause of this vote of no confidence being the F35 contract to me just shows that the opposition is truly disconnected. Now obviously I'm a little biased, but there truly is no other alternative. We need fighters, so we need the F35.

Your thoughts on all this? Having Ignatieff, Layton, or simply anyone out of Quebec, scares me.

[stylez2k4]

I think the conservative are doing a good job thus far. At the same time I'm a little scared how things will proceed if they win a majority government and no longer have the other parties to keep them in check.

[bloodmack]

Originally Posted by JD¹³

.. Having Ignatieff, Layton, or simply anyone out of Quebec, scares me.

Same here, I can't imagine the damages that will be done to western Canada if they get the seat. I think the conservatives are doing a decent job as well considering the world economic situation.

[TheNewGirl]

JD13, IMO you think they've been doing a decent job because some of the sickening shit Harper's done has remained out of the news.

He's gotten in trouble for human rights issues, he's misappropriated funds (are you aware that Harper's spent 1 BILLION dollars of Canadian tax payer money inapproriately on personal and Conservative party promotion), he's supported several people's very questionable actions including some Conservatives who will are being investigated for violation of election laws currently and influence peddling.

I think if people actually tuned into question period now and then they'd be shocked and appaulled by some of the crap their 'doing alright' government is pulling.

I'm not a fan of any of the alternatives but frankly, I'd get behind even Duceppe before I'd support Harper for another term.

[Meowjin]

Harper goes down in history as the leader of the first Canadian government found in Contempt of Parliament.

In fact it's the first government in the British Empire to fall this way.

Is this the fault of Harper alone, or is the whole Conservative Party to blame?

[Meowjin]

they went contempt. If you don't know what that means click the above link.

You really want people like this running our country?

we trade "economy" for the liberty of our people.

[tool001]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

Harper goes down in history as the leader of the first Canadian government found in Is this the fault of Harper alone, or is the whole Conservative Party to blame?

talk about cleaning up the government! imo i cannot trust harper. some1 should make a list of issues, starting from

1. had a lib. bc mp jump ships after winning his seat (dont remember full details..)





x. oda issue (supporting her)
x. not disclosing government spenditure costs.
x. renaming "government of canada" to haper government on government site - letterhead
x. election funds scam (last fedral elections)


think its already too much

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

JD13, IMO you think they've been doing a decent job because some of the sickening shit Harper's done has remained out of the news.

He's gotten in trouble for human rights issues, he's misappropriated funds (are you aware that Harper's spent 1 BILLION dollars of Canadian tax payer money inapproriately on personal and Conservative party promotion), he's supported several people's very questionable actions including some Conservatives who will are being investigated for violation of election laws currently and influence peddling.

I think if people actually tuned into question period now and then they'd be shocked and appaulled by some of the crap their 'doing alright' government is pulling.

I'm not a fan of any of the alternatives but frankly, I'd get behind even Duceppe before I'd support Harper for another term.

yea because the Liberals and NDP are GOOD at spending money right?..

Canada came out of the global recession better than most countries throughout the world and is still thriving, to ignore that is to be ignorant to the "harper government" completely

it's one thing to question the ethics of the government in power, but when the stupid fucking opposition forces an election that will almost certainly result in another conservative government at the price of 300+ Million dollars, that is -disgusting-

opposition does nothing but oppose every single thing the party in power puts forward and they simply waited to reject the budget to force this election, if you dont support the way the conservatives run the government, you should wait to post your vote in an election which occurs in due time, not 4 times in 7 years

and people complain about the olympic village? lol.. shit like this is flushing money down the toilet with nothing to show for it on the other side.

how is it going to feel this time next year after 500 million dollars were spent to put us in the same position we were a year prior?

[Meowjin]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

it's one thing to question the ethics of the government in power, but when the stupid fucking opposition forces an election that will almost certainly result in another conservative government at the price of 300+ Million dollars, that is -disgusting-
.

THEY WERE CONTEMPT

[Nightwalker]

I've never liked Harper and I'm happy for another opportunity to vote him out.

[TheNewGirl]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

Harper goes down in history as the leader of the first Canadian government found in Contempt of Parliament.

In fact it's the first government in the British Empire to fall this way.

Is this the fault of Harper alone, or is the whole Conservative Party to blame?

Actions which can constitute a contempt of Parliament vary, but typically include such things as:

* deliberately misleading a House of Parliament or a parliamentary committee;
* refusing to testify before, or to produce documents to, a House or committee; and
* attempting to influence a Member of Parliament, for example, by bribery or threats.

Harper did all of these, the top two on at LEAST three subjects (Re: Middle Eastern Detainees, The F35s and in regards to his use of government funds for party promotion). Apparently there's more than that even that's to come out in the next couple of weeks.

Furthermore, this is a guy who ran on senate reform, claiming he was going to make the senate elected by the people then went and appointed more senators than any sitting PM ever (including the ones who had 10-12 year runs!).

There's the whole 'Harper Government' debacle as well and many many more.

He ran his campaign on transparency.
He lead the government on lies.

It's time to dump the mother fucker already.

[PornMaster]

Its not the Canadian Government we're talking about, its the Harpers Government

[Hondaracer]

Ignatief seems very trustworthy



at the end of the day it's going to be the same shit, different pile regardless of what happens.

[eFx[A2C]]

How can he change the senate when he doesn't have a majority? Since there were so many seats open and threat of him losing the previous election obviously he would fill those seats up anyways instead of letting whoever would win to fill them.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

yea because the Liberals and NDP are GOOD at spending money right?..

Canada came out of the global recession better than most countries throughout the world and is still thriving, to ignore that is to be ignorant to the "harper government" completely

Thats got more to do with Paul Martin than Steven Harper.

[JD¹³]

Originally Posted by TheNewGirl

he's misappropriated funds (are you aware that Harper's spent 1 BILLION dollars of Canadian tax payer money inapproriately on personal and Conservative party promotion), he's supported several people's very questionable actions including some Conservatives who will are being investigated for violation of election laws currently and influence peddling.

The amount of money stolen, wasted, and used illegally by the Liberal government under Chrétien/Martin would blow everything you just listed 1000ft out of the water.

Politics aren't perfect and will never be free of corruption. If you think any other party that gets in to power will operate free of it you belong in a padded room Looking at the bigger picture, Harper is the best option we have by a significant margin. Again, just IMO.

[stylez2k4]

All parties have their own faults and you can't look at any criticism of Harper's government in its absolute. You have to compare it to other options (Liberal, NDP, Bloc) and pick the best option available.

[stylez2k4]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

they went contempt. If you don't know what that means click the above link.

You really want people like this running our country?

we trade "economy" for the liberty of our people.

Lets all be poor and free

[Meowjin]

Originally Posted by stylez2k4

Lets all be poor and free

[tool001]

people who say canadian government came out of recession sooner because of harper government need to read up on economy more. and the reason why it crashed in the first place.

[Hondaracer]

Majin and NewGirl gonna go make signs and go hang out front of the art gallery



i kid i kid :P

[Manic!]

One of my favorite Harper stories.


OTTAWA—A former escort at the heart of a political storm involving a former aide to the Prime Minister says the last week has left her feeling violated.

Michele McPherson, 22, who is engaged to Bruce Carson, an adviser to Prime Minister Stephen Harper until 2008, said she has been “deeply hurt” by reports that her fiancée was breaking the rules by allegedly lobbying his Conservative friends on behalf of a water filtration company.

“I cannot even begin to express how emotionally hurt I am with this as there are no words to explain how I feel. This has affected my life, my family and people I care deeply about,” she said in a written statement sent to the Toronto Star.

Carson is accused of bragging to officials with the firm H2O Global Group that he had special access to the Prime Minister and was closely connected to the Tory cabinet. He also allegedly met with federal officials on behalf of the company, which was trying to get its water systems used by a federal pilot project to improve drinking water on native reserves.

Confronted with the allegations last week, the Prime Minister’s Office asked the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, as well as the federal ethics and lobbying commissioners, to investigate the matter.

Company officials say Carson was never paid for his work and did not have a contract with the firm. He was an adviser and assistant to the company, not a lobbyist, H2O Global Group says.

McPherson did have an agreement that would have provided her 20 per cent of gross revenues from its sales to native reserves, but that was cancelled in February. Now her compensation is tied to “performance measures” such as bringing employment and education to First Nations communities.

Her statement said she was recruited into the sex trade as a “young adolescent.”

“Vulnerable minors every day are pulled into this trade and face violence, abuse and exploitation. It is difficult and terrifying.”

She has been out of the sex trade “for some time” but doesn’t understand how pictures of her — several in a silky pink teddy, one topless — appeared on an Ottawa escort website about two weeks ago. She says someone likely colluded with the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network, which broke the story about Carson and his romantic links to a woman 44 years his junior.

“I am shocked that someone has reactivated this information to support APTN for this story and I question why someone would do something so cruel,” she writes.

Carson, who runs the Canada School of Energy and Environment in Calgary, own a home with McPherson outside of Ottawa, which was purchased last December for $389,500.

In the course of investigating the allegations against Carson, a trained lawyer, it has been revealed that he was disbarred in 1981 for stealing $24,000 from clients and convicted of theft and sentenced in 1983 to 18-months in jail. In 1993 and again in 2002 Carson filed for bankruptcy.

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

THEY WERE CONTEMPT

Who cares? The polls certainly show people do not, and the Conservatives will keep their minority with little change in numbers.

I get the principle behind it, yet it is a waste of tax payer money at a time when we do not have money to waste.

[stylez2k4]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

You want to come over and sing Kumbaya to make you feel better?

Originally Posted by tool001

people who say canadian government came out of recession sooner because of harper government need to read up on economy more. and the reason why it crashed in the first place.

The good old "if you say this then you don't know this and should learn about it"

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by taylor192

Who cares? The polls certainly show people do not, and the Conservatives will keep their minority with little change in numbers.

I get the principle behind it, yet it is a waste of tax payer money at a time when we do not have money to waste.

bingo

I got a good chuckle out of the whole issue regarding the F-35's and a debate featuring the bloc, NDP and Liberal rep's had one day on TV

of course being the opopsition none of them had anything good to say regarding the Lockheed martin jets besides the costs, as well as the discrepency between the costs "researched" and the costs proposed by the harper government

all three of them agreed though that "There are many other options out there outside of N/A that were never considered in terms of other jets"

LOL yea because Canada is going to go out and buy fucking Chinese or Russian planes right? that would look AWSOMEEEEE to cancel an order from our #1 ally and go seek out a nice communist option in our defense systems..

and never once did they bring up the issue of maintenance, parts, training, etc. which would obviously be easier in every aspect dealing with Lockheed than a foreign company..