[Death2Theft]

Why dont we get the cool stuff like like the evo wagon or the rs4 wagon. All we get are endless variations of suv's. The only other possible alternative is to build a volvo wagon but even those are getting near 4000lbs. Are there any awd wagons out there worth tinkering with that i'm forgetting?

[1990TSI]

This is your best bet

http://www.kiaautosinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Hyundai-Elantra-Touring-3.jpg



:troll:

[Expresso]

Probably cause there is no market for it.

[CorneringArtist]

There is the WRX wagon, and the A4 Avant is pretty much your best bet for an Audi wagon with quattro.

The market here is people-hauling minivans because of our big roads. I'm guessing that the market for wagons is large in Europe because of road size, and small-displacement diesel engines are better suited for wagons. I could be wrong about the diesel thing, but TDI Jetta Wagons seem to be popular here.

[Spectre_Cdn]

AWD/4WD wagons, you say? :fullofwin:
http://www.dragtimes.com/images/6910-2005-Subaru-Legacy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b254/kelownadirt/1217081346.jpg
http://joshp77.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/3423369716_9e80d2783c.jpg
http://www.toyotaoldies.de/wallpaper/AL25.jpg
http://www.terra2imports.ca/ab-larger/120716422581016.jpg
:troll:

[TypeRNammer]

Even the USDM Acura TSX has a garbage trim, only 4 cyl. and only automatic transmission.

[vitaminG]

you can get a cts wagon with AWD, which is pretty nice if you ask me... and you can also get it with 550hp and 6spd manual which is quite awesome

http://carsroute.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Cadillac-CTS-V-Wagon-2-1024x682.jpg

[roastpuff]

CTS-V Wagon is awesome.

[Death2Theft]

Useless when it's not AWD. That looks so bulky it has to be over 4000Lbs without awd.
you can get a cts wagon with AWD, which is pretty nice if you ask me... and you can also get it with 550hp and 6spd manual which is quite awesome

http://carsroute.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Cadillac-CTS-V-Wagon-2-1024x682.jpg

[asahai69]

with 556hp and 551tq. it dosent matter what the curb weight is

[roastpuff]

with 556hp and 551tq. it dosent matter what the curb weight is

Just go and put a Hennessey V800 kit on it. Weight problem solved! :fullofwin:

[1990TSI]

Just go and put a Hennessey V800 kit on it. Weight problem solved! :fullofwin:

hennessey..... yea.

we've been through this before

[asahai69]

Just go and put a Hennessey V800 kit on it. Weight problem solved! :fullofwin:

gona end up with a helluva lot more problems than weight if u go with hennessey.

lingenfelter ftw :)

[vitaminG]

Useless when it's not AWD. That looks so bulky it has to be over 4000Lbs without awd.


oh no it weighs 4000lbs, its a luxury performance station wagon what the hell you expect? You want a roomy station wagon but you also want it to be lightweight?

Id be willing to bet your RS4 wagon is pretty damn close to 4000 lbs as well.

[toyota86]

impreza wrx wagon
e46 325xi 330xi wagon
e30 325ix wagon importable now

[Death2Theft]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YvRcS8UD-Q&playnext=1&list=PL93847783C1F5C0AC
v10tt rs6 vs a lil evo wagon. Guy goes full retard on the evo yet the rs6 has nearly double the power.
This video explains it better. If i'm getting something that weighs 4000+lbs i may as well get an suv.
Whats the point of rwd power in vancouver where it rains and snows?
Lux puts me to sleep. I want something more raw to keep me alert. RS4 avant is 3638lbs. Evo wagon is 3300lbs. If the cts-v had awd it'd be even heavier than it is now.
The imprezza wagon is abit small compared to the other two. While with the bmw's there not exactly much u can do with them.

[PK-EK]

Why dont we get the cool stuff like like the evo wagon or the rs4 wagon. All we get are endless variations of suv's. The only other possible alternative is to build a volvo wagon but even those are getting near 4000lbs. Are there any awd wagons out there worth tinkering with that i'm forgetting?

you have the answer here.
Auto makers think that North Americans are all of the SUV and they don't see a point in bringing in wagons.
if you look at the places in the world where they have lots of wagons; they have few SUVs

[ilvtofu]

Useless when it's not AWD. That looks so bulky it has to be over 4000Lbs without awd.

Take a look at these things going around the nurburgring and tell me that car is "useless" when it comes to performance. It's no GTR or ZR1 but the CTS-V is sweet.

Anyways, with the shift to CUVs I'm sure you'll be seeing a lot more hot CUVs in the next few years

[Death2Theft]

It's useless in vancouver, unless I lived in germany what the fuck does the ring have to do with anything.
Take a look at these things going around the nurburgring and tell me that car is "useless" when it comes to performance. It's no GTR or ZR1 but the CTS-V is sweet.

Anyways, with the shift to CUVs I'm sure you'll be seeing a lot more hot CUVs in the next few years

[bloodmack]

It's useless in vancouver, unless I lived in germany what the fuck does the ring have to do with anything.

You obviously do not appreciate the ring that much..


That evo wagon is :drool

[Jsunu]

We had this for like a year IIRC

http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/carndriv/20051115/09/1338983208.jpg

[Great68]

That looks so bulky it has to be over 4000Lbs without awd.

Which is on par with other Luxo-Wagon in that class. :rolleyes:

5-Series touring: 4300
E-350 Wagon: 4350

What did you think luxury wagons were made of, feathers and pixie dust??

[lowside67]

We just sold this one, one of my most favourite wagons we've ever had. 2010 A4 Quattro S-Line with the cooled alcantra seats, 19" s-line wheels, navi, mmmmmmm... /drool

http://www.driveauto.ca/data/156076/cl/craigslist.jpg

[jstn86]

talk to any of your "non car friends"

everyone will say "ewww, a wagon? why would you ever buy that! it's so ugly!!"

only car enthusiasts appreciate wagons. most people that want a bigger car will settle for a SUV.

i love wagons/avants/variants/aerodycks/tourings etc...

but most people will see wagons as station wagons of the 70's. north americans love bigger the better mentality.

[wasabisashimi]

Why dont we get the cool stuff like like the evo wagon or the rs4 wagon. All we get are endless variations of suv's. The only other possible alternative is to build a volvo wagon but even those are getting near 4000lbs. Are there any awd wagons out there worth tinkering with that i'm forgetting?

Audi Avant S4, S6 A4, A6... Audi allroad , STi


What do you mean we dont have wagon. How often do you see them on the road?. Not marketable here.

[Santofu]

I'm surprised noone didn't mention about impreza wagon.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/gallery/mod-squad-subaru-impreza-wrx-sti/gr-impreza-wrx-sti-modified_07.jpg

[Teh Doucher]

http://www.autobytel.com/images/2006/Dodge/Magnum_SRT8/Lyons/400/2006_Dodge_magnum_front1_lr.jpg

dodge magnum srt8, its not awd, but its still pretty badass for a wagon.

[Teh Doucher]

I'm surprised noone didn't mention about impreza wagon.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/gallery/mod-squad-subaru-impreza-wrx-sti/gr-impreza-wrx-sti-modified_07.jpg

umm, isnt that just the hatchback sti?

[Death2Theft]

I could care less what other people think. Unfortunately it seems like the a4 is the only option, but modding a lower performance trim makes me feel like a ricer. Like those kids that try to mod a base model. Also I don't see a true manual which is gonna be a massive problem for handling any real power mods.
Not a fan of the sloping rear gate look, just wasted space. I like the traditional boxy rear wagon look that the older volvos and the evo wagon have
If I wanted a big 4000lbs+ LUX wagon i'd just throw a dart at a SUV catalog.

[baggdis300]

We had this for like a year IIRC

http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/carndriv/20051115/09/1338983208.jpg

it was out for alot longer than that..

and guess what? sales were crappi

[Death2Theft]

Didn't have anything to do with the fact that it was ugly rwd only or iirc auto only.

[ilvtofu]

IIRC the IS sportback was close to 50 grand MSRP...


It's useless in vancouver, unless I lived in germany what the fuck does the ring have to do with anything.

The ring is a benchmark, if you're looking for a performance car why the fuck would proven track performance not have to do with anything? It might not be the best car to do 160 AVG 220 MAX on Cypress Bowl Road but how does that discredit the CTS-V as a true high performance wagon?

[Spectre_Cdn]

IIRC the IS sportcross was close to 50 grand MSRP...




The ring is a benchmark, if you're looking for a performance car why the fuck would proven track performance not have to do with anything? It might not be the best car to do 160 AVG 220 MAX on Cypress Bowl Road but how does that discredit the CTS-V as a true high performance wagon?

fixed :woot2:

The only IS Sportcross I've ever(always) seen in person is in the driveway of a house on No. 2 Rd, near Williams.

[RRxtar]

http://4car.net/images/car/2006%20Volvo%20V70%20R.jpg
300hp/300ft-lbs. turbo. awd.


would look pretty good with the sport front end off the sedan

http://upcomingcars.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/volvo-s60-pictures.jpg

[Death2Theft]

Owning more than one rwd car with more power and less weight for the summer. What the fuck good is running 1 minute or whatever at the ring going to do for me when i'm trying to not get stuck going to whistler or any mountain in the winter? I've got enough 2wd vehicles. So since you obviously can't get it let me spell it out for you " 500hp + rwd + vancouver + winter + 4000lbs = does not compute for me."

From what I can dig up the rs4 b7 which u can get in the states and the b5 which u can't both have either 58/60% weight in the front which tells me everything I need to know about how it's going to handle.
IIRC the IS sportback was close to 50 grand MSRP...




The ring is a benchmark, if you're looking for a performance car why the fuck would proven track performance not have to do with anything? It might not be the best car to do 160 AVG 220 MAX on Cypress Bowl Road but how does that discredit the CTS-V as a true high performance wagon?

[baggdis300]

Didn't have anything to do with the fact that it was ugly rwd only or iirc auto only.

nope, it had a 5 spd manual option as well...

the 01' is300 didnt have manual option but 02 + did..

[Mancini]

I love wagons. They have the feel and performance of a sedan, but the practicality of, well, a wagon.

Most people that have 1 or 2 kids go and get and SUV or minivan. A wagon would fit the bill just fine and drive just as well as its sedan counterpart.

Too bad we don't get many of the decent ones in North America.

[Mancini]

Why dont we get the cool stuff like like the evo wagon or the rs4 wagon. All we get are endless variations of suv's. The only other possible alternative is to build a volvo wagon but even those are getting near 4000lbs. Are there any awd wagons out there worth tinkering with that i'm forgetting?

328 xi wagon.

[Death2Theft]

And what exactly can you do with a 328 wagon for power adding? Fuck all.

[qoopoo]

mine
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3610/3381990574_60e50312e_z.jpg?zz=1

[Death2Theft]

Is that an a4? Specs? stock turbo? Comments like on this video about oil consumption of 1 quart every 1-3k miles really makes me not want to mess with anything audi fsi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe2HjnDbrAE&feature=related

I was all for new tech until I started seeing problems with DI engines where the fuel isn't sprayed thru the intake valves leading to massive clogging and build up. 40k mile engines have more build up than 140k mile engines that didnt' have DI.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/336187-S5-FSI-engines-doomed-due-to-intake-manifold-carbon-build-up?p=5635179&styleid=12

[TRD3000GT]

http://4car.net/images/car/2006%20Volvo%20V70%20R.jpg
300hp/300ft-lbs. turbo. awd.


would look pretty good with the sport front end off the sedan

http://upcomingcars.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/volvo-s60-pictures.jpg
A pair of S60 R splitters will do the job.
http://www.v70r.com/forums/uploads/1199808234/med_gallery_980_31_51804.jpg

[Death2Theft]

How big turbo wise can people fit on these things? Highest dyno's on pump + meth? I know the newer ones come twinscroll oem which is a bonus but whether it's worthwhile to build the oem powerplant/drivetrain or swap something else in place of it.