[LiquidTurbo]

Hi RS,

Recently I haven't been eating breakfast (or I eat something super light like some fruit or something ). Is there something wrong with me? My body just doesn't feel good if I eat a full on breakfast, etc. Any thoughts?
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[FN-2199]

I haven't eaten a breakfast in quite some time and I feel the effects. I feel a bit sluggish through the morning until lunch, and my mind feels much slower to react.
What a healthy breakfast does:
-Helps concentration and problem solving throughout the day
-Provides you with energy

Fruits in the morning is always a great idea. Breakfast isn't supposed to be a full fledged meal. Just a small jump start for your day.
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[sonick]

As above, eating breakfast will give you energy required for focus/work, but if you don't feel those effects, it's not a big deal to not eat breakfast as long as you are not overly snacking throughout the day due to hunger or end up eating more total calories through the day to compensate. The 'myth' of eating breakfast reduces fat gain/obesity, etc. is because most people who skip lunch end up grabbing snacks before lunch, or eating huge lunches to satiate their hunger.

[Matlock]

Depends what you too as well. I get really physical at work so I need to fill myself up to keep my energy up.
At school I eat less because I just sit in a desk all day
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[DaFonz]

No, you're fine.

Anyone who says you NEED to eat breakfast is an idiot.

First of all, your body doesn't care whether you eat one meal a day or 6. Metabolism-wise, it's the same.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494

More importantly, studies using whole-body calorimetry and doubly-labelled water to assess total 24 h energy expenditure find no difference between nibbling and gorging.


As for needing breakfast in order for you to remain alert and awake, I refer you to this:

http://www.ajcn.org/content/88/3/667.full


Cognitive performance, activity, sleep, and mood are not adversely affected in healthy humans by 2 d of calorie-deprivation when the subjects and investigators are unaware of the calorie content of the treatments.


Translate that into, if you think skipping a meal is making you slow, then you're likely being a bitch, so harden the fuck up.

The hunger pangs you feel are a combination of:

- Your body being conditioned to release ghrelin at a certain time (i.e. you're conditioned to eat at a certain time. If you don't, then your body will adapt)
- You mistaking thirst for hunger.

[gdoh]

^what about eating for dieting??

[sonick]

Diet wise eating less frequently is actually effective in losing fat while still maintaining muscle mass for those who are already fairly fit (10-15% BF) but need to lose that extra fat, through intermittent fasting plans such as LeanGains and Lyle MacDonald's Ultimate Diet 2.0. It can be seen as more inefficient compared to full-out bulking or full out cutting, but it avoids the negatives of both (gaining fat/getting a gut while bulking or losing strength/muscle mass while cutting).

Basically Intermittent Fasting is better for blood-glucose levels, as well it utilizes calories more effectively.

I have been on the Leangains schedule of 16hr fasting 8hr feeding (eating between 1pm and 9pm), and I've definitely noticed a less bloaty-looking gut and more ab definition. Read more about leangains here: http://www.leangains.com/

More on Ultimate Diet 2.0 (very hardcore IF regimine): http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/ultimate-diet-20

[gdoh]

really??? i find that if you make your portions smaller, cut out refined sugars + grains, and eat about every 3 hours that it works and wouldnt it be better than fasting??

[sonick]

Different schools of thought, but the LeanGains stance on frequent eating vs fasting is as follows:

"Studies using whole-body calorimetry and doubly-labelled water to assess total 24 h energy expenditure find no difference between nibbling and gorging".

Since then, no studies have refuted this. For a summary of the above cited study, read this research review by Lyle McDonald (http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/meal-frequency-and-energy-balance-research-review.html#more-1389).

Earlier this year, a new study (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985) was published on the topic. As expected, no differences were found between a lower (3 meals) and higher meal (6 meals) frequency. Read this post (http://www.leangains.com/2009/12/new-meal-frequency-study.html) for my summary of the study. This study garnered some attention in the mass media and it was nice to see the meal frequency myth being debunked in The New York Times (http://www.leangains.com/2010/03/mainstream-debunks-myth.html).


From his understanding, meal frequency has no effect on the body's metabolic rate, whether it be 6 small meals or 3 big ones. However, 6 small meals does keep blood glucose levels at a higher level for prolonged period of time than lower frequency meals, which can cause problems for people who have issues with insulin production or blood glucose intolerances.

Interesting reads-
More on meal frequency: http://www.leangains.com/search/label/Meal%20Frequency
Top 10 fasting myths: http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

[DaFonz]

really??? i find that if you make your portions smaller, cut out refined sugars + grains, and eat about every 3 hours that it works and wouldnt it be better than fasting??

Stop being so fucking lazy and go to his links and read. Fuck people aren't going to hand shit to you on a platter.

YES REALLY.

[gdoh]

Stop being so fucking lazy and go to his links and read. Fuck people aren't going to hand shit to you on a platter.

YES REALLY.


why dont you read the rest of my sentence instead of the first word you fucking homo

i wanted to know what he thought of what i wrote

[LiquidTurbo]

Great info, thanks !
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[DaFonz]

why dont you read the rest of my sentence instead of the first word you fucking homo

i wanted to know what he thought of what i wrote

Today is help a retard day, so I'm going to teach you some basic reading comprehension. YAY!

From the first link I posted.. one could conclude that...


meal frequency has no effect on metabolism.


Which leads to...you asking about meal frequency...

i find that if you make your portions smaller, cut out refined sugars + grains, and eat about every 3 hours that it works and wouldnt it be better than fasting??

Now if you simply reverse the order of my post, my god, you have an answer to your question. Reasoning FTW!

[Alar]

basically what dafonz mentioned unless this is related to physical training, then it is a whole different picture.

[sonick]

Read the articles i've posted, intermittent fasting can also be effective in cutting body fat while maintaining muscle in resistance training, and is often used by fairly fit people to get down to single digit body fat.
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[vitaminG]

whos willing to be dafonz is in awesome shape and has a physically demanding job :troll:. im sure those studies are highly relevant if youre a 120 lb desk jockey.

If you are physically active in any way, you are going to want to eat breakfast cause youll be super hungry if you dont, end of story.

[ConCho]

If you eat once a day your stomach can get bloated because of all the acids that is building up or so I learn in health class . Just eat a light breakfast , have something in your stomach , better than nothing . It will help you get over your day no matter the task .

At first not eating breakfast and starting again will make you feel uncomfortable but it's temporary . As soon as you get into a daily routine of eating breakfast you will feel fine and might even feel energetic .

[DaFonz]

whos willing to be dafonz is in awesome shape and has a physically demanding job :troll:. im sure those studies are highly relevant if youre a 120 lb desk jockey.

If you are physically active in any way, you are going to want to eat breakfast cause youll be super hungry if you dont, end of story.

Oh no, you've totally busted me. Nothing gets by you. There's absolutely no way I could be athletic.

Darn. Maybe you could show me a thing or two in the gym?

[DaFonz]

BTW, here's a guy who skips breakfast (any of the clients on leangains are).

http://www.leangains.com/2010/08/fasted-training-video.html

Yah fuck, he sure looks like a 120lb desk jockey.

You on the other hand, could probably stand to lose some weight you big tub of lard. Go eat some twinkies fatty

[SkinnyPupp]

Uh oh dafonz, you disagree with someone. That must mean you are making it up!
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[Mr.HappySilp]

I don't usually eat breakfast. Get up around 7:30am and won't eat till around 1pm to 2pm for lunch. I do have coffee in between though.

Not very healthy though.

[GB]

I start off the day with a bowl of cereal, yogurt, and a grapefruit.

[DaFonz]

Uh oh dafonz, you disagree with someone. That must mean you are making it up!
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Revscene sure does know how to attract the intellectuals. :fullofwin:

[vitaminG]

BTW, here's a guy who skips breakfast (any of the clients on leangains are).

http://www.leangains.com/2010/08/fasted-training-video.html

Yah fuck, he sure looks like a 120lb desk jockey.

You on the other hand, could probably stand to lose some weight you big tub of lard. Go eat some twinkies fatty

so you a link of a guy whos in shape and doesnt eat breakfast sometimes, big deal i could prolly find thousands of athletes in better shape who eat breakfast (or two) every single day.

i dunno about you but i play sports and workout, and when i wake up in the morning im starving. Somehow i think starving myself till lunchtime is not good for muscle developement and recovery.

[sonick]

so you a link of a guy whos in shape and doesnt eat breakfast sometimes, big deal i could prolly find thousands of athletes in better shape who eat breakfast (or two) every single day.

i dunno about you but i play sports and workout, and when i wake up in the morning im starving. Somehow i think starving myself till lunchtime is not good for muscle developement and recovery.

Umm did you read his link? He NEVER eats breakfast and only eats 8 hours in a day, while fasts the other 16 hours.

Also studies show fasted training (i.e. training on an empty stomach) can be more beneficial than training in a fed state: http://www.springerlink.com/content/w8712615714k8150/

In layman's terms: http://www.leangains.com/2009/12/fasted-training-boosts-muscle-growth.html

[Matlock]

Soiunds like warrior diet, but I think that one was 1 insanely huge meal per day
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[sonick]

Soiunds like warrior diet, but I think that one was 1 insanely huge meal per day
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Warrior Diet is a version of Intermittent Fasting. There are a number of IF systems including LeanGains, Warrior Diet, Ultimate Diet 2.0, etc. all of which are based on the same principal, but are modified by macronutrients and caloric load schedules for various goals.

[vitaminG]

are you guys getting paid by leangains or something?

OMG heres a popular training regime that put emphasis on breakfast

http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-diet-muscle-gains-strength-building-fat-loss/

have fun being catabolic for half the day

[sonick]

I am not trying to push peoploe towards IF and LeanGains, rather just trying to get peopel to realize that the whole "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day" is a myth. That said, it doesn't HURT to eat breakfast, but there's little harm in not eating breakfast either. Also, if you are trying to bulk or cut, LeanGains or any other IF routine is not recommended since it's very inefficient. It is more of a fine-tuning strategy once you are in the low-double-digit BF, to rid of that extra bit of fat.

As for your training regimine. Stronglifts is a good regimine and is very effective, but look at the reasons for eating breakfast though, it's all surrounding not feeling hungry and to eat healthier, nothing about energy, muscle loss, etc. People recommend eating breakfast and eating snacks because the majority people will binge on donuts, crackers, chips, etc. if they did not.

Eat Breakfast. You get energy from the first hour and you’ll be less hungry the rest of the day. It also sets the trend: you’ll tend to eat healthier if your day starts with a strong & healthy breakfast.

Less Hunger. Eating more smaller meals vs. few big meals will decrease your stomach size. You’ll feel full faster and your waist will trim.

Less Cravings. Not eating for long periods usually causes overeating at the next meal or ending at the candy machine.

If you have the discipline to eat good, nutritious food, within the proper caloric range of your BMR, skipping breakfast won't make you obese, nor will it dissolve your muscles.

[vitaminG]

It is more of a fine-tuning strategy once you are in the low-double-digit BF, to rid of that extra bit of fat.

People recommend eating breakfast and eating snacks because the majority people will binge on donuts, crackers, chips, etc. if they did not.

If you have the discipline to eat good, nutritious food, within the proper caloric range of your BMR, skipping breakfast won't make you obese, nor will it dissolve your muscles.

thats exactly it, im sure if your hardcore into leangains you can manage w/o breakfast. But why would you push it onto regular people as being better.

The average person who doesnt eat breakfast is going to pig out on junkfood at the first opportunity. Therefore a healthy breakfast is important for the average person, and the most important meal of the day.

[sonick]

Fair enough. I may have come off or ended up as if I was pushing it on people, but my original intent was to dispel the myth that your body physically REQUIRES breakfast for good health.

[DaFonz]

so you a link of a guy whos in shape and doesnt eat breakfast sometimes, big deal i could prolly find thousands of athletes in better shape who eat breakfast (or two) every single day.

i dunno about you but i play sports and workout, and when i wake up in the morning im starving. Somehow i think starving myself till lunchtime is not good for muscle developement and recovery.

Sonick is far more diplomatic than I am. You're a dumb shit who can't read.

The site is FULL of people who don't eat breakfast and intermittently fast. For every athlete you find who eats breakfast that's in shape, I can find you 10 people who eat breakfast that aren't in shape.


http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-diet-muscle-gains-strength-building-fat-loss/

have fun being catabolic for half the day

Strong lifts you say?

http://stronglifts.com/eat-stop-eat-7-tips-to-make-intermittent-fasting-easier/

OH LOOK, intermittent fasting. That's a 24 HOUR fast, not just skipping breakfast.

Did you read any of this page or you too stupid?

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

thats exactly it, im sure if your hardcore into leangains you can manage w/o breakfast. But why would you push it onto regular people as being better.

The average person who doesnt eat breakfast is going to pig out on junkfood at the first opportunity. Therefore a healthy breakfast is important for the average person, and the most important meal of the day.

The average person eats shit for breakfast anyways:

http://www.revscene.net/forums/recommendations-fast-convienient-t641992.html

Shall I go through the list?

Protein shake
Cereal
Toast + any spreads??
Pre bought pastries such as muffins??
Instant noodles
Waffles
Oatmeal bars

Yah that's really good for you. An average person is better off not eating breakfast because they're going to make the same shitty choices at lunch so they might as well cut some calories.

PS: You're still a fat fuck. Maybe if you skipped breakfast, it might help with your fat problem.

[sonick]

^ lol.

[DaFonz]

are you guys getting paid by leangains or something?


Oh right, I forgot to mention, WHAT THE FUCK WOULD WE BE GETTING PAID FOR?

Because you know, it makes soooooooo much sense for someone to pay not one, but TWO shills on some car website for a guy who does one on one consultation and sells two books on his website.

BACK THE TRUCK UP because you're a business genius.

Oh wait, you're not. You're a stupid fat fuck.

[vitaminG]

Oh right, I forgot to mention, WHAT THE FUCK WOULD WE BE GETTING PAID FOR?

Because you know, it makes soooooooo much sense for someone to pay not one, but TWO shills on some car website for a guy who does one on one consultation and sells two books on his website.

BACK THE TRUCK UP because you're a business genius.

Oh wait, you're not. You're a stupid fat fuck.

well i fiigured you had a vendetta against breakfast for a reason.
maybe your mom just never made you any breakfast and your hatin on it cause of that.

i dont fucking know. i cant think of another reason why someone would go around telling everyone not to eat breakfast.

[ImpactZ]

i rarely eat breakfast

[LiquidTurbo]

^ but breakfast is the most 'important meal of the day!' :D

[canucks_fan2]

i agree, I started eating breakfast this year as a sort of new years resolution and I find i have so much more energy throughout the day. Usually have a banana, granola bar and Milk, breakfast of champs!

[RacePace]

in 4 more Dafonz rage

http://media.scout.com/media/forums/emoticons/168/YesJackNicholson.gif

[zoo]

buy yourself a magic bullet blender
go to costco and buy some frozen berries
throw a banana and some frozen berries onto the blender and use milk or water and make yourslef a smoothie
add yougart and or protein if you like
great breakfast and it has some good nutrition
this will start your day off great
thank me later