[vafanculo]

COQUITLAM (NEWS1130) - The man convicted of killing this three children in Merritt will be allowed escorted visits into the community.

A BC Review Panel has ruled Allan Schoenborn has made good progress during his year or so in custody. He's currently at the Colony Farm Institution in Port Coquitlam.

Last year, Schoenborn was found guilty, but not criminally responsible for the murders of his kids.

Why is this guy not dead yet?

[Presto]

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[Presto]

Here's some background info:


Accused triple child-killer Allan Schoenborn thought his kids were being molested
(http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IDqW4hZjVSoJ:www.theprovince.com/news/Accused%2Btriple%2Bchild%2Bkiller%2BAllan%2BSchoen born%2Bthought%2Bkids%2Bwere%2Bbeing%2Bmolested/2097513/story.html+Allan+Schoenborn&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.ca)
By Cassidy Olivier, The Province October 14, 2009


Allan Dwayne Schoenborn did everything but directly admit to killing his three children during a police-taped interview he had with his wife while in prison.

In chilling evidence played in B.C. Supreme Court Tuesday, Schoenborn — charged with the April 6, 2008 slayings of Kaitlynne, 10, Max, 8 and Cordon, 5, — told his common-law wife, Darcie Clarke that he believed the children were being molested.

“And it just came on me in one big flood. And I realized there’s nothing I can do about it, no matter how hard I try. So I put them where they’ll be safe ... and stay young and innocent.”

Schoenborn then tells Clarke he didn’t torture the kids despite what she’d been told.

“I didn’t torture anybody, Darcie,” he tells her. “I thought it was going to be quick. I thought it was going to be quick and when it, it, it didn’t go quick ... Not like I knew what I was doing.”

The recordings were taken from a June 2008 face-to-face interview between Clarke and Schoenborn at the Kamloops Regional Correctional Centre some three months after Schoenborn’s arrest in the woods outside of Merritt. Schoenborn has pleaded not guilty to three counts of first-degree murder.

The Crown has said his mental state at the time of the murders is central to the case.

In a letter written from prison following the murders, and read in court, Schoenborn detailed how he’d tried various methods to kill himself while on the lam — including slashing his wrists and freezing to death — in an attempt to “join” the children.

Clarke said she moved to Merritt with the children in September 2007 to be closer to her mother.

The move, she said, was caused by Schoenborn’s declining mental state and their ongoing, and increasingly-confrontational arguments that centred largely on his belief that she was cheating on him.

Clarke testified Schoenborn was diagnosed as paranoid in 1999 when he crashed his truck in an attempt to get Kaitlynne to hospital, believing there was something wrong with her.

As it turned out, she was just sleeping.

In another incident, Clarke said, Schoenborn accused her of putting drugs in the teething gel she was using on Kaitlynne.

By the time of the murders, she said, Schoenborn was hearing voices and believed there was a transmitter in either his brain or teeth that was responsible.

Clarke said that despite her advice to do so, Schoenborn never sought medical help, believing he might end up lobotomized.

“He didn’t trust anybody,” Clarke said.

At the time of the killings, Clarke said, she and Schoenborn had worked out an arrangement where she would stay with her mother when he came up from Vancouver to visit the kids.

She described their relationship around that time as “on again, off again.” Clarke said that on the day before the murders there had been nothing in Schoenborn’s demeanour that caused her concern for the safety of the kids, despite the fact she’d earlier refused his advances to live as a family again. “He didn’t like it, but was willing to accept it for now,” she said.

The trial continues Wednesday.
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[originalhypa]

Fuck that guy!
Whoever chose to give him the ability to see the light of day again should really consider what this man can do for society, which is nothing. Kill them fucker. Hold his head under water and never speak of him again.

Makes me fucking sick to keep hearing about this.

[Gumby]

^
Agreed!

[gdoh]

bring back capital punishment

[murd0c]

At least with day trips someone will have a chance to pick him off.

[MG1]

OK, so a sane man would be locked up for life with chance of parole in 25 years, but this guy can be out and fucking around in our communities right now?

The guy has been proven to be mentally ill. Let's suppose he doesn't take his meds or loses it again........

I get it that he's fucked in the head. More reason to keep him locked up. Get him the help, but keep him locked up. Wants to go shopping in a mall???????? Buddy, you gave up rights when you killed all three of your own children. Your own flesh and blood, for christ's sake. You think he'd care more about children of complete strangers? What ever happened to safety of community over the wants of one individual? It's not even a need. He gets fed and clothed by our tax dollars - probably has a tv and faster Internet connection than some of us.

[Phat_R]

They should put him and those two psychopaths from Victoria in a room together

[Vale46Rossi]

Saw this today on the news.....that's fucked

[seakrait]

there needs to be a prison island. like alcatraz but we'd leave them there with no tools so we wouldn't need to build any walls. queen charlotte islands seem like a good bet.

[StylinRed]

bring back capital punishment

not even america executes the insane (to add even the united states is doing away with the death sentence)


OK, so a sane man would be locked up for life with chance of parole in 25 years, but this guy can be out and fucking around in our communities right now?

The guy has been proven to be mentally ill. Let's suppose he doesn't take his meds or loses it again........

I get it that he's fucked in the head. More reason to keep him locked up. Get him the help, but keep him locked up. Wants to go shopping in a mall???????? Buddy, you gave up rights when you killed all three of your own children. Your own flesh and blood, for christ's sake. You think he'd care more about children of complete strangers? What ever happened to safety of community over the wants of one individual? It's not even a need. He gets fed and clothed by our tax dollars - probably has a tv and faster Internet connection than some of us.

there's no reason to believe that he would be a threat to others or that its believed his threat level is very manageable (that's what they would have had to determine to allow escorted day trips)

they don't just let people out on escorted day trips willy nilly





It's a simple question to ask yourselves, if your brother or sister went nutz and killed their own children (because they're bat shit crazy) would you want to put a bullet in their head or do you hope that one day your baby/big sister/brother will again be that guy/gal you knew and grew up with?

well the only way that can happen is if they're on a rehabilitation course.. and that includes allowing them to experience a normal environment (not locked around crazies 24/7)

[Jayhall]

They should put him and those two psychopaths from Victoria in a room together

soak the floor with gasoline before you throw them in, then lock the door and light a match

[Hondaracer]

so he kills his 3 kids and gets day passes to go have coffee at the mall..

i dont know if u guys saw global news today, but the guy from abbotsford who killed his step daughter while vacationing in washington state also tried to plea insanity similar to what this shcellenberg [sp] plead

Washington court found there was no where near enough evidence to trial him on that basis and give him auto 50 years in prison

[MG1]

well the only way that can happen is if they're on a rehabilitation course.. and that includes allowing them to experience a normal environment (not locked around crazies 24/7)

Good, we'll send him your way.

[SkinnyPupp]

I don't know what's worse - a proven mentally insane person kills his kids and is allowed outside, or (presumably) perfectly healthy people talking about murdering him like it's nothing.

If you walk by a schizophrenic homeless person talking to themselves, do you think about killing them because they may cause harm?

[StylinRed]

Good, we'll send him your way.

lol... i've worked with worse


i expected more from the, wise one :(

[MG1]

lol... i've worked with worse


i expected more from the, wise one :(

My work place is full of whacko's......... I've joined them. :fullofwin:

[hal0g0dv2]

someone better call this guy
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[Jayhall]

I don't know what's worse - a proven mentally insane person kills his kids and is allowed outside, or (presumably) perfectly healthy people talking about murdering him like it's nothing.

If you walk by a schizophrenic homeless person talking to themselves, do you think about killing them because they may cause harm?

people like him are NOT NEEDED in society. Unless you want to hire him as a baby sitter or something, I know I dont have that much confidence in his rehab program.

[hal0g0dv2]

people like him are NOT NEEDED in society. Unless you want to hire him as a baby sitter or something, I know I dont have that much confidence in his rehab program.

:werd:

[vafanculo]

I don't know what's worse - a proven mentally insane person kills his kids and is allowed outside, or (presumably) perfectly healthy people talking about murdering him like it's nothing.

If you walk by a schizophrenic homeless person talking to themselves, do you think about killing them because they may cause harm?

Problem is, this guy already caused harm. 3 times.

Also, even if we give them the benefit of doubt, don't you think it's a bit too early to say that he is showing good signs?

Man, he killed 3 of his own kids.. Even if he does show great signs of rehab, he should spend the rest of his life locked away from society.
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[ajax]

At least with day trips someone will have a chance to pick him off.

That person will end up probably doing more time than him.

[jigga250]

not even america executes the insane (to add even the united states is doing away with the death sentence)




there's no reason to believe that he would be a threat to others or that its believed his threat level is very manageable (that's what they would have had to determine to allow escorted day trips)

they don't just let people out on escorted day trips willy nilly





It's a simple question to ask yourselves, if your brother or sister went nutz and killed their own children (because they're bat shit crazy) would you want to put a bullet in their head or do you hope that one day your baby/big sister/brother will one day be that guy/gal you knew and grew up with?

well the only way that can happen is if they're on a rehabilitation course.. and that includes allowing them to experience a normal environment (not locked around crazies 24/7)

3 YEARS IN JAIL!?

"He is not to be trusted," Hillaby said of Schoenborn. "He had a terrible history with violence and anger."

Sounds like he's making great progress!

IMO all these nutjobs who are found not criminally responsible and magically show "such great progress" in rehab (I'm talking about the greyhound guy who chopped off that kid's head, also) should still have to face the consequences of their actions, once they are now supposedly mentally capable of doing so. The guy is SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP. I'm not an expert but that's not the type of thing you get over in a year, or in a lifetime. Do you want your kids to be living next to this guy 10 years from now, when some hack psychiatrist has declared him mentally stable, and something triggers another episode?! Or he forgets/decides not to take his happy pills!?

#!!&#$ bleeding hearts

[StylinRed]

1) He's been in custody for 3 years

2) it doesn't mean Schoenborn will be granted access to the community immediately.

That decision now rests with the director of the Forensic Psychiatric Hospital, who must assess Schoenborn's mental state and decide if he is ready for short escorted absences from the hospital.

"What we've approved is the director's request for discretion to consider escorted leave," B.C. Review Board chair Bernd Walter said today.

The B.C. Review Board, in its annual review of Schoenborn to assess his threat to the community, decided to grant Schoenborn's application under strict conditions:

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Child+killer+Schoenborn+granted+chance+escorted+ac cess+community/4569624/story.html#ixzz1IokVB0Z1


So its not like he'll be allowed out right away... this is simply allowing the Director "Warden" to decide When and If this guy will be allowed out during his rehabilitation


and again i'd ask you to ask yourself the question of what you would hope to happen if your brother/sister,son/daughter were in this situation (and you don't have to respond just really think about it, be realistic)

[trip]

there needs to be a prison island. like alcatraz but we'd leave them there with no tools so we wouldn't need to build any walls. queen charlotte islands seem like a good bet.

http://www.shutterisland.com/intl/au/media/images/common/warning.jpg

[jigga250]

1) He's been in custody for 3 years

2)

So its not like he'll be allowed out right away... this is simply allowing the Director "Warden" to decide When and If this guy will be allowed out during his rehabilitation


and again i'd ask you to ask yourself the question of what you would hope to happen if your brother/sister,son/daughter were in this situation (and you don't have to respond just really think about it, be realistic)

I would recognize that that person needs to be punished for their actions, and given the SEVERITY of their actions and extreme degree of mental sickness, concede that they need to be locked up forever, at the very least.

This isn't some sick guy who likes to steal little boys underwear or something and could potentially be rehabbed out of that habit....this guy KILLED 3 OF HIS OWN KIDS! You can't fix that level of fucked up!

Look at the comments section of any online article on this story and you'll see that 95% of sane Canadians agree with me.

[vafanculo]

1) He's been in custody for 3 years

2)

So its not like he'll be allowed out right away... this is simply allowing the Director "Warden" to decide When and If this guy will be allowed out during his rehabilitation


and again i'd ask you to ask yourself the question of what you would hope to happen if your brother/sister,son/daughter were in this situation (and you don't have to respond just really think about it, be realistic)

This can be said about anything. Everyone has brothers/sisters and overall family that care about them. But whats more important? Satisfying the only handful of people that care about him, or keeping the rest of society safe from a deranged maniac?

Here is my question. How would you like it if they release this person in a few years, and you find out he is living next door to your family?

[darkfroggy]

1) He's been in custody for 3 years

2)

So its not like he'll be allowed out right away... this is simply allowing the Director "Warden" to decide When and If this guy will be allowed out during his rehabilitation


and again i'd ask you to ask yourself the question of what you would hope to happen if your brother/sister,son/daughter were in this situation (and you don't have to respond just really think about it, be realistic)

They would cease to be my brother/sister.

[dogeatcookie]

http://i.imgur.com/w9lzw.jpg

[apple_cutie]

there needs to be a prison island. like alcatraz but we'd leave them there with no tools so we wouldn't need to build any walls. queen charlotte islands seem like a good bet.

The British tried that, it was called Australia.
http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/389743.gif

[StylinRed]

Here is my question. How would you like it if they release this person in a few years, and you find out he is living next door to your family?

i wouldnt care, its not like he threatened other people or other children for that matter; i've lived next to people who needed to be put in an institution rather than having been well enough to be released from one

once he's released (IF he EVER is; what's so hard to understand here? i swear most people are retarded) he won't be a deranged maniac.. what's so hard to fucking understand ??? Even when they closed down some psycho wards all those years ago and released those in need to the DTES they didn't release the deranged psycho murderers....

and of course its important to look at it from a perspective of a family member because that's the only time people will actually think things through with a sound mind instead of just going off like an equally bat shit person, blubbering at the mouth about pitchforks and nooses

as people don't tend to give a damn about anything unless its personal
that form of thought isn't about being sympathetic to his family members its about not being an asshole and thinking things through rationally, logically



what it comes down to is

Do you believe someone crazy can be rehabilitated or controlled with pills? (science says yes) if you don't, well i don't know who's crazier ;)

[blkgsr]

The British tried that, it was called Australia.
http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/389743.gif

ya super fail on their part, the island was way too big

smaller island with walls... dump them in there and let them go at it

[TheKingdom2000]

I wonder how hard it would be to convince someone you're crazy? I mean, if I had to prove that I was crazy to get off 25 years in prison, I think I could do it.
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[MG1]

I wonder how hard it would be to convince someone you're crazy? I mean, if I had to prove that I was crazy to get off 25 years in prison, I think I could do it.
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It's all in the twitch, LOL.

[StylinRed]

Schoenborn withdrew his request for escorted leaves; I guess he's more sane than the public who are in an uproar

A B.C. father who killed his three children has withdrawn his request for escorted leave from the psychiatric hospital where he is being detained, saying he didn't want to cause further pain to the children's mother.

Allan Schoenborn wrote a statement read at a B.C. Review Board hearing Tuesday that was called after an outcry over the board's earlier decision to allow him to apply for escorted leaves from the facility.

"I wish no further hardships towards Darcie," Schoenborn said in his statement, read by his lawyer Scott Hicks.

"Her stability is paramount. Since the last hearing of April 5, 2011, I learned of her whereabouts and her poor condition through television coverage."

Schoenborn did not attend the hearing. Hicks said he wanted to avoid more media attention.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/04/20/bc-schoenborn-decision-review.html

[DC5-S]

yeah he's really sane eh

[StylinRed]

yeah he's really sane eh

you completely missed the point.... my god..

[vafanculo]

For all we know he is sane to the point where he is making this decision to benefit himself. What benefit does he have by being shackled and escorted through the community an hour a day?

IMO, this is a move to capture some good attention to himself. To show a caring, understanding side, which might eventually help him down the road towards a different type of release.

Not saying that is the case, but sane or not, he belongs locked up for life.
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[Mr.HappySilp]

Lock him up..... actually no that will waste tax payers money, send him to the front lines and be a human shield, is more useful.

[drunkrussian]

wtf in the u.s the prisons are way more overcrowded than here and they still wouldnt let this guy see light until 10 years at least! what does 1 year of good behaviour prove?....
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[vafanculo]

^ that we have a really fucked up legal system
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[StylinRed]

wtf in the u.s the prisons are way more overcrowded than here and they still wouldnt let this guy see light until 10 years at least! what does 1 year of good behaviour prove?....
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google is your friend; criminally insane patients get taken out in large group field trips all the time and...

Patients' rights
The field trip was possible because people found not guilty by reason of insanity are legally patients, not prison inmates. They have no sentence to serve. The goal of mental hospitals is to cure them and return them to society. Better treatment, including psychotropic drugs, plus a focus on patients' rights, have resulted in many being released in just a few years.
^^ that's for the usa
obviously each state is different
but its basically the same with canada you're not criminally responsible, because you're crazy, so you get institutionalized, go out on day trips etc as part of the process to get re-integrated to society (however long that takes depends on the patient/govt/doctors )

most people in Canada seem to have a great misunderstanding of US laws; they just naturally assume its far worse (and not equal or lighter) to Canada


with this instance those in an uproar seem to think
a) he's free to go
b) his institutionalizing is a punishment
both of which are untrue

[BrRsn]

there needs to be a prison island. like alcatraz but we'd leave them there with no tools so we wouldn't need to build any walls. queen charlotte islands seem like a good bet.

isn't that how australia started? lol


What I think we should do is instead of installing a roof on BC place, we make a stadium out of it, ancient rome style.

We could have the most violent felons fight to the death and perform in feats of strength. The loser dies, the winner lives until another time. Revenue created would be huge, and it'd really put vancouver on the map (where else do you know of that still has roman-esque gladiator battles?). Ontop of that, we'd have about 50% less criminals after its all said and done.

But with the increase in real estate prices, this may cause a sudden influx in the amount of gravesites needed, which could drive the already high prices already higher ... unless we didn't feed the felons and all they had for sustenance was the decaying meat of their fellow prisoners. Think of the low overhead costs! and all that would be left is bones ...

think what those bones could fetch on ebay! Imagine what the smaller hand bones of some great modern day gladiator would cost, or a tooth, especially on ebay. I can't even begin to imagine how much a whole femur or skeleton would go for. That's how to increase revenues in vancouver and decrease prison costs, while amping up our pussy judicial system.

Ontop of that it'll give us something to watch regularly, and hey, at least it's a sport where SOMEONE representing BC will be winning on a regular basis haha ... unless you know, the two felons stab themselves and both die, that'd really suck for everyone except for bookies who I assume would just get to keep all the cash because technically no one won.