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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - A large Vancouver pub group is defending a bouncer accused of racism at the Library Square Public House Saturday Morning.

A man claims he was denied re-entry because of the colour of his skin. At 1:30 a.m. Saturday, Harry says he went outside to use his cell phone. When he showed the bouncer his stamp to get back in, he says the doorman told him, "We are not letting any more brown people back into the club."

"My jaw dropped, so I asked him again 'Excuse me, can you repeat that?' and he said we are not letting any more brown people back in tonight," Harry explains. "At the same time, I see two caucasian men walk in. I didn't even want to go back in, but this is not right."

He says his friend Melissa, who is white, came looking for him, and the bouncer then repeated the statement to her. "It made me feel sick to my stomach," Melissa tells us. "It's horrible, because there's nothing I can do about it. This happens all the time."

The Donnelly Group, which owns the pub, released a statement claiming the patrons in question were asked to leave for intoxication and aggressive behaviour claiming the bouncer was threatened and physically accosted.

"I wasn't kicked out, I wasn't asked to leave," Harry insists. "I wasn't intoxicated, I wasn't aggressive. I acted as civilly as I could."

Melissa says she is disappointed with the response. "Then why wasn't I told that at the door when I asked him why my friend wasn't allowed back in?"



http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/208571--bouncer-at-vancouver-pub-accused-of-racial-profiling





Brown guys have been denied at bars since I began going when I turned 19 and I've seen more brown guys in fights than any other race. Is this racial profiling or do south asian males actually get aggressive when they drink and this is another case of a bouncer trying to prevent an altercation. (see:doing his job) :argue:

[van_driver]

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/208571--bouncer-at-vancouver-pub-accused-of-racial-profiling





Brown guys have been denied at bars since I began going when I turned 19 and I've seen more brown guys in fights than any other race. Is this racial profiling or do south asian males actually get aggressive when they drink and this is another case of a bouncer trying to prevent an altercation. (see:doing his job) :argue:

by your logic, icbc should stop letting clais get driving licenses... They'd just be "doing there job" right? Dumbass
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[Vale46Rossi]

Pfft fuck that, I have seen a lot of intoxicated people at casinos and stuff and asked to leave..... They then pull the race card and argue with the security

[Phat_R]

Pfft fuck that, I have seen a lot of intoxicated people at casinos and stuff and asked to leave..... They then pull the race card and argue with the security

exactly

[westopher]

I'd say some guy and his friend saying that it happened, doesn't nessecarily mean it happened. Maybe it did, but why would the bouncer risk his job, when he could just tell the person they are wasted and tell them to fuck off. The joy of being a bouncer is that they can easily do that.

[Psykopathik]

all the bouncer had to say is no, you're NOT coming back in. you can refuse entry to anyone as long as you have a legit reason. EG: " i think you're drunk, goodnight"

adding the "brown" part was just asking for it.

[westopher]

all the bouncer had to say is no, you're NOT coming back in. you can refuse entry to anyone as long as you have a legit reason. EG: " i think you're drunk, goodnight"

adding the "brown" part was just asking for it.
Thats my point though, thats why I don't believe he said it. Bouncers aren't known for their intellectual prowess, but I'm sure most understand that will get them in shit.

[Infiniti]

more bridge and tunnel causing shit in van

[Manic!]

This happens all the time. I know in Victoria they won't let in any brown people from the mainland.

[604778]

Wow...
I work for the company too. Really wrong.

[Soundy]

Half this story is missing: this same group was already whining because they submitted a guest list of 18 people that was rejected, instantly claimed it's because they all had south-Asian-sounding names, then submitted a new list with "more Caucasian" names that was accepted.

I call bullshit on the whole thing. Love how people pull out the race card at the drop of a turban. :P

Here's a thought: the original guest list contained the name of someone that was known to be a troublemaker, or even someone on a Barwatch list (whether one of the people on the list was the actual person, or just someone with the same name), and was thus rejected. Maybe the bar manager recognized one of the names as an asshat who was banging his girlfriend. There are lots of reasons a group could be denied besides them just having "Asian-sounding names".

Naturally when they submitted a different list with made-up names, it wouldn't be an issue.

So then they get in the club under the fake names, one guy goes out and can't get back in... what do you think are the chances dude would make up the bouncer story to help back up their other claim... or just out of spite?

Not much of a stretch, for me...

[Soundy]

Interesting thing though, they were talking about this on Bill Good this morning... one woman called in and noted how she and her husband saw the same thing happen when they went to a Chinese restaurant in Richmond and watched a number of Asians walk in the door and get seated while they were waiting in the lobby for a half hour... then waited another half-hour before getting service. So it goes both ways.

[kyoshiro]

Interesting thing though, they were talking about this on Bill Good this morning... one woman called in and noted how she and her husband saw the same thing happen when they went to a Chinese restaurant in Richmond and watched a number of Asians walk in the door and get seated while they were waiting in the lobby for a half hour... then waited another half-hour before getting service. So it goes both ways.

well it could be quite possible that there was either a banquet/event going on or reserved table. something we see very often at Chinese restaurants. Chinese restaurants also don't come over and ask what you want until you tell em to come over to take your order.
Differences in operations due to difference in culture => racial profiling = nono

[EmperorIS]

i work around these areas during late club nights .. and from my experience about 90% of the time its a group of brown males either being destructive
its like they are scared no one knows they are out for the night and they are making every effort to get attention and trying to flex their gangsterness

[winson604]

Interesting thing though, they were talking about this on Bill Good this morning... one woman called in and noted how she and her husband saw the same thing happen when they went to a Chinese restaurant in Richmond and watched a number of Asians walk in the door and get seated while they were waiting in the lobby for a half hour... then waited another half-hour before getting service. So it goes both ways.

I have often gotten the eye from other chinese people when I walk right in and get a table. Little do they know I had a reservation. The point is like some have mentioned the whole story isn't what it always appears to be. Believe what you will but I highly suspect like others that there's tons of information missing from this story, Typical media though excluding things to make it appear like it's something else. Bastards.

[Harvey Specter]

It's a known fact that some bars/clubs in downtown don't allow brown guys unless you're in a mixed group or with a girl. I've also heard from friends that some restaurants in Yaletown deny entry to brown guys.

[Meowjin]

I know everyone wants to say something, but are being held back because they dont want to be considered racist.

They wern't let in not because they were brown... they probably showed up, thugged out acting really really rowdy, not acting polite, demanding things and getting aggressive.

I feel bad, because I have some EI friends that have difficulty getting into clubs, because they are genuine and nice. But I have some that fit the stereotype of getting way to drunk and aggressive and I'd never head out with them.

[taylor192]

by your logic, icbc should stop letting clais get driving licenses... They'd just be "doing there job" right?
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I'm actually OK with that. :whistle:

[Harvey Specter]

They wern't let in not because they were brown... they probably showed up, thugged out acting really really rowdy, not acting polite, demanding things and getting aggressive.


+111111

Bingo.

[dhari]

Love how people pull out the race card at the drop of a turban. :P



no need to say that. that is a symbol of a religion(no, not my religion but i respect all). you are entitled to your opinion but no need to joke in that manner

[bloodmack]

I think the fact that EVERY brown guy gets generalized into 1 category is the problem here. I am EI and I can assure you I am NOTHING like your typical young EI.

[Ch28]

no need to say that. that is a symbol of a religion(no, not my religion but i respect all). you are entitled to your opinion but no need to joke in that manner

http://i.imgur.com/8Kp7I.jpg

[moomooCow]

I'm actually OK with that. :whistle:

And all the white people will be OK with not allowing any Chinese people get their license because the stereotype is that Chinese drivers are shitty. They don't know how to discern the difference between C-Lai's and just general Chinese people.

:whistle:

[El Bastardo]

No business wants to turn down money in their pocket. Every business wants to turn down trouble in their establishment.

I really think theres far more to this story than meets the eye


Edit: Also, anyone who works as a security professional knows that bouncers keep detailed notebooks so I'm certain they'll be submitting them as proof there was a -legitimate- reason for denying re-entry

[MR_BIGGS]

I think the fact that EVERY brown guy gets generalized into 1 category is the problem here. I am EI and I can assure you I am NOTHING like your typical young EI.

Your very statement is an insinuation that generalizes brown people. By saying that YOU are not like the typical young EI, YOU are making the generalization and putting all of them into one category. Just saying..
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[asahai69]

its owned by the donnelly group. i dont know why this is surprising.

[deep87]

damn jacks ruin it for the rest of us. :tantrum

Don't want to go to the places full of brown guys because it seems like most have something to prove. Can't get into the layed back places because the bouncers just don't want to risk having to deal with it.

I'll just blame ed hardy and call it a day.:whistle:

[Culverin]

And all the white people will be OK with not allowing any Chinese people get their license because the stereotype is that Chinese drivers are shitty. They don't know how to discern the difference between C-Lai's and just general Chinese people.

:whistle:

Hey, I'm chinese and I think we have a significantly disproportionate number of bad drivers. A blanket chinese = no license would be wrong. But if ICBC racially profiled because hey, your parents aren't here and you drive an 80k+ car then so be it. I bet my left testicle that ICBC has empirical data that c-lais and astronaut kids account for more than their fair share of bad drivers.

[achiam]

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN' THEY HATIN'
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197482_4243368634_502368634_82313_7311_n.jpg

[EmperorIS]

I think brown people just have as much bad drivers as the Asian or any other population. I se taxi divers weaving I and out of traffic. Young thug brown kids flooring their cars everywhere weaving in and out of traffic with out a care of other drivers especially brown old females they are just as bad and careless as see lai Atleast see lai dont speed. They are mainly just careless but they do not drive aggressively
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[Vansterdam]

AYYYYYYYYYYYYY BUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDAY

kidda banjoooot

[quasi]

I think brown people just have as much bad drivers as the Asian or any other population. I se taxi divers weaving I and out of traffic. Young thug brown kids flooring their cars everywhere weaving in and out of traffic with out a care of other drivers especially brown old females they are just as bad and careless as see lai Atleast see lai dont speed. They are mainly just clueless but they do not drive aggressively
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Fixed your post.

[G Hawk]

http://www.thesun.net/Blogs/SoniaSidhu/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10222856

[91LS-VTak]

I thought it was a common practice not to let a big group of brown guys into a club...?

[Harvey Specter]

http://www.thesun.net/Blogs/SoniaSidhu/blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10222856

I'm EI and this story doesn't shock me one bit. Like I said, my friends couldn't get reservations at Society in Yaletown last month because it was a group of brown guys.

[Jayhall]

Ive seen white dudes, brown guys, asians and black guys all causing trouble down town. Sure maybe certain groups do it more often then others but drunk idiots are the real problem here

[baggdis300]

i donno about anyone else, but i have NEVER been not let into a dt club or bar cause the colour of my skin. i am east indian, but light skinned even then i have gotten in fine everywhere i have tried with a group of brown guys. i wouldn't think of that happening anywhere downtown...

[MDMA]

its owned by the donnelly group. i dont know why this is surprising.

this is bang on. I was standing outside Post Modern (Donnelly Group club) on Saturday night and i saw a white guy get absolutely tooled by 2 bouncers there, the dude must of really pissed em off cuz he literally got dummied to the ground and they stomped on his head and kicked it like a soccer ball, not even exaggerating one bit, ok maybe a punch or 2 is understandable but kicking a helpless person in the head multiple times is definitely not reasonable force, dude was laying there unconscious with blood leaking from his head i for one that he was dead and so did a few other people who witnessed, :failed:

[parm104]

Without a doubt, East Indian males in Vancouver have a BAD rep. Also without a doubt, it is indeed WELL-DESERVED. Perhaps I scrutinize brown gangsters more because I am embarrassed of their actions, being from the same community. I'm sure other Asian and Caucasian communities have their equal share of "gangsters."

Nevertheless, I find it amusing that SOME people jump the gun on both sides of this story. There are people here that will NEVER ever experience racism in their lives. There are some here that have already experienced their fair share. I for one can tell you, as an East-Indian who does NOT drink, have found it difficult to get into clubs both in Vancouver and Calgary. None of my friends have ever been thrown out of a club, in fact, a handful of them are Police Officers. Yet we still don't get into clubs that are clearly under capacity and when we have a guest list planned ahead of time. Yet, when I go out with my group of white friends, I get in no problem with them. Never had an issue with any of them and they're not organized at all to plan out a guest list.

I am not saying this story is true or it is false. I am simply saying, before jumping the gun and saying "it's easy to pull the race card," I ask you to put yourselves in the shoes of someone who has been denied something that should be equally accessible to everyone, but isn't because of the color of their skin, or their gender or their class. Then imagine how it would feel for everyone to say that you're over-reacting when you try to share the story.

[El Bastardo]

There are people here that will NEVER ever experience racism in their lives. There are some here that have already experienced their fair share.




Pretty much the only times I've experienced racism in my life was thanks to brown folks. There were a few times with Native people but the most recent are because of Surrey Jacks

I've heard "Go back to your trailer, white boy" and "The only reason you're my boss is because you're white, but one day we'll be in charge" (yes, I heard this at work. no, I wasn't allowed to fire him because union issues)

Also, being stared down by Jacks while living in Surrey is always a chore. I do my best to make it seem like I think they're checking me out which helps diffuse the situation and makes them feel weird about themselves.



(brown) Guys (WHO ARE NOT PARM 104), this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?


Serious question. Anyone got an answer?

[parm104]

Pretty much the only times I've experienced racism in my life was thanks to brown folks. There were a few times with Native people but the most recent are because of Surrey Jacks

I've heard "Go back to your trailer, white boy" and "The only reason you're my boss is because you're white, but one day we'll be in charge" (yes, I heard this at work. no, I wasn't allowed to fire him because union issues)

(brown) Guys, this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?

Serious question. Anyone got an answer?

You quoted me yet completely missed the message. I said "some people will never ever experience racism and some people here already have experienced it..."

I never said "white ppl over here will never experience it, and brown people will." Racism itself is the ONLY thing that is not prejudice. It can affect any color any race.

I think your ignorance MAY play a large role in your targeting.

"Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?"

You just did EXACTLY what the people who target you do to you. You just grouped ALL "brown guys" together and asked US to account for OTHER people's actions and mindsets.

Ignorant questions do not deserve any answers. You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.

[asahai69]

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

[El Bastardo]

I think your ignorance MAY play a large role in your targeting.


Relax. I was just sharing an experience. How can I be ignorant if this is something that actually happened to me?


You just did EXACTLY what the people who target you do to you. You just grouped ALL "brown guys" together and asked US to account for OTHER people's actions and mindsets.

Ignorant questions do not deserve any answers. You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.



You seem pretty defensive. Why are you "on"?


I wasn't saying everyone will have an answer for my question. It wasn't addressed specifically to you. Search my post. Where in there did I say "Parm104 answer this. Everyone else who might know something about this ignore this question because its specifically pointed at Parm104"

Christ. For someone who thinks my "ignorant question doesn't deserve an answer" you sure did a whole lot of talking about it.

[parm104]

Relax. I was just sharing an experience. How can I be ignorant if this is something that actually happened to me?

You seem pretty defensive. Why are you "on"?

I wasn't saying everyone will have an answer for my question. It wasn't addressed specifically to you. Search my post. Where in there did I say "Parm104 answer this. Everyone else who might know something about this ignore this question because its specifically pointed at Parm104"

Christ. For someone who thinks my "ignorant question doesn't deserve an answer" you sure did a whole lot of talking about it.

Once again, you've missed the point. I never said sharing your opinion is ignorant. Your experience at work was insightful and relevant to the topic at hand. Your ignorance came into play when you targeted the question towards "brown guys." You never said Parm104 answer this but you did ask a select group of people to answer it (brown guys), which I happen to be apart of.

Your post clearly generalizes all brown guys and you clearly asked "us" to answer the question for you.

You seem to have a hard time understanding this concept but I will break it down even further for you. By saying "what do you brown guys have to prove" is you saying all brown guys are out to prove something. That they are all acting hard and looking for conflict. This is far from the case as I have already mentioned. Then you also go on to say that you want the brown people in here to answer your question. There you go again making unwarranted judgements on the brown guys on this forum implying that we are likes the ones you work with, targeting other races, creating conflict and prejudice and acting hard. THIS is where I pointed out your ignorance. How can we account for the actions and thoughts of other people?

And again, I may have done a lot of talking about it but I never said your ignorant question doesn't deserve to be discussed. I said you don't deserve to get the answers to your question, which you still haven't.

Regardless, this isn't fight club and you can grasp what you will from what I am saying. If you manage to figure out that you're generalizing people into a stereotypical group then that's great, you'll learn and I'm sure you'll stop. But again, until you realize that, that only thing that differentiates your mindset from that of the people you work with, is your race.

[El Bastardo]

Your post clearly asks generalizes all brown guys and you clearly asked "us" to answer the question for you..


Who else would answer the question? The Chinese, Caucasian or Korean guys on the forum? They're not qualified to, because they're not the topic of this thread.

At no point did I say that every brown guy who browses Revscene will be "that guy" or is the reason for the stereotypes discussed here today. What I did ask, however, is for insight into why this image exists. Obviously there has to be a mindset or a reasoning behind why we go to clubs and to see things like this happen.

Go back to my post and read it over. Then read it over again. If this post does not apply to you, you are not obligated to respond to it. If you do, however, have the insight to address this issue then please enlighten our community. Hell, even if you aren't "that guy" but know some who are then let us know what you know about it.

But that question in no way is directed at, towards, or near Parm104. Just so we're all clear on that. And if someone else might be offended that I've asked a question about a social issue to which I'm trying to understand, that question is not directed at you.

I'm sincerely sorry to have offended anyone's delicate sensibilities.

[BillyBishop]

(brown) Guys (WHO ARE NOT PARM 104), this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?

You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.


Tachy, you've asked a question that I really wish we could find an answer to.

--

To be quite honest, I think Parm made a good point with what I quoted from him above.
Sure, the attitude that you're describing is definitely apparent in EI males in this neck of the woods. But I can easily point to certain members of other ethnic groups that act in a similar manner. You won't find them wearing Ed Hardy and driving riced-out Civics with fart-cans, though.


For the record, I'm also East-Indian; like Parm, I don't identify with the "typical surrey-jacks" that you are all accustomed to seeing -- acting like they're the shit and all that.

[Qmx323]

Man who cares what race they were, if you act like a fool you're gonna get treated like one. White Brown Chinese Black whatever.

Unfortunately for the guy in OPs article, he was probably a victim of profiling.

Sucks to be misunderstood.

[white_guilt]

I've worked in the nightclub industry for years. Racial profiling vs brown people is in every club-literally, EVERY club in Vancouver. For instance, I used to work for a very popular Yaletown lounge (frequented by tons of celebrities/VIPs/industry big-wigs), because this is YT, we get tons of high-end clientele. The bouncers are under unofficial orders to monitor a set quota of Brown people, and when a certain group has been admitted entry, they are watched like hawks. Is this profiling? I suppose. But I'd say the moment we have more than 10 Brown people inside the premises, there is without a fail, an altercation. Some nights we have blood all over the place outside, and some nights are tame, but without fail, there will be at least one minor altercation. I have friends that work in the top nightclubs around town, and security/ managers start getting uneasy once the place starts filling up with Browns, and these groups are watched fervently.
This has been going on for years, and it did not spring out suddenly overnight because of some collective conspiracy by every other race to create a non-Brown club. This was started because of years and years of innocent patrons getting attacked by Crown Royal'd up Surrey trash via flexing their collective group muscles at anyone who so much as looks in their general direction.
Bar owners are sick and tired of having to kick out these idiots time and time again every Friday /Saturday night for breaking their property, harassing their clients or endangering the well-being of their employees. This isn't racial profiling; this is common sense. If a company delivers a product that fails to work , time and time again, eventually people will wise up and stop bying the product. Will there be an odd customer who gets a working product? Yes, of course. But will it be safe to err on the side of caution and by a different product from another company? Yes. It pays to be risk adverse. Bar owners and clients wised up years ago to this epidemic of Surrey trash that somehow makes its way from across the bridge and the tunnel, every weekend. I guess I shouldn't have let this industry "secret" out of the bag, but if you didn't know, now you do.

[Meowjin]

^^I've mentioned it a few times but people just blew me off as racist.


honest problem. Alot of brown guys get really really touchy when they drink and there are alot of people that don't like to be touched.

[white_guilt]

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

You are probably leaving out details. From a club stand point it makes no sense to randomly ban you- this is bad for business. You must have done something to deserve a ban from Caprice (which BTW, is worked by good people).

[Meowjin]

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

Shame I don't think I've ever had a problem with you coming down.

[white_guilt]

^^I've mentioned it a few times but people just blew me off as racist.


honest problem. Alot of brown guys get really really touchy when they drink and there are alot of people that don't like to be touched.

I think you mentioned you worked at Caprice before. I know what you mean, but I guess people need to actually work the bars every weekend to understand why we feel the way we do.

[Greenstoner]

LOL... honestly i didnt find or never stereotype brown guy are troubles.

i didnt know that much people out there look at brown people this way until this thread.

the brown guys i met at work or random smokers on the streets seems all friendly. They seems to be pretty chilling when they had few drinks in the pub too..

I havent been to a club for at least 2 yrs tho, maybe situation could be a bit different.

[asahai69]

You are probably leaving out details. From a club stand point it makes no sense to randomly ban you- this is bad for business. You must have done something to deserve a ban from Caprice (which BTW, is worked by good people).

Shame I don't think I've ever had a problem with you coming down.

believe me. i left no details out. im usually the happy drunk that is just having fun. i never once caused a problem in ANY club in vancouver.


i just look alot rougher than i actually am

[stylez2k4]

lol i just got banned from caprice a few months ago. i found out a few days after i went there because one of my brothers buddies works there. i never caused trouble there, never got overly drunk and fucked around, always spent a good amount of money and tipped well. i was confused and was sure they were just fucking around and maybe confused me for someone else.

nope it was me. i asked why i was banned and apparently it said i was banned by jon wong. the head bouncer or something. and the reason was "Image".

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

You're ugly?

[Soundy]

what image means i dont know. but i think i may have a few ideas

RS TRASH :troll:

[asahai69]

You're ugly?

im sure we spent enough money in there that it wouldnt matter if i looked like Steve Buscemi

i know that i look like a fuken surrey jack. but damn, i never act like one. i try and stay away that shit

[twixxer]

as a brown dude, i am used to this, doesn't even bother me anymore, i am more than happy to spend my money some where else. Though i would be quite upset if i went out for some fresh air and got refused re-entry.

[Soundy]

(brown) Guys (WHO ARE NOT PARM 104), this is a serious question that you may think is packaged as racism. I'm asking this from a real place so we can all understand.

Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?


You quoted me yet completely missed the message. I said "some people will never ever experience racism and some people here already have experienced it..."

I never said "white ppl over here will never experience it, and brown people will." Racism itself is the ONLY thing that is not prejudice. It can affect any color any race.

I think your ignorance MAY play a large role in your targeting.

"Why are you always trying to prove yourself? Why do you always have to be "on". Why do you think that everyone is out to slight you at every turn?"

You just did EXACTLY what the people who target you do to you. You just grouped ALL "brown guys" together and asked US to account for OTHER people's actions and mindsets.

Ignorant questions do not deserve any answers. You are acting like "brown guys" are the ONLY ones who are out there trying to prove themselves to everyone and trying to be "hard." Vietnamese, Filipino, Chinese, Indian, American, Italian, British people ALL have groups of people who are gangster/thug wannabes. Who act the SAME way as the people you work with. It is no more and no less in one race than another, in my opinion.

I LOL at this because parm104 basically just proved Tachycardia's point.

Let's follow this: parm104 makes a very good, well-thought-out, well-articulated point about the problems he, as a brown guy, has getting into clubs. He shows plenty of restraint and intelligence here.

Tachy then asks a simple question, based on (what may or may not be skewed) observation, trying to word it delicately and specifically trying to avoid coming across the wrong way.

parm104 then immediately snaps and dedicates about 20 paragraphs in three long, rambling posts to smacking down Tachy's question.

Talk about "always on" :fullofwin:

[asahai69]

as a brown dude, i am used to this, doesn't even bother me anymore, i am more than happy to spend my money some where else. Though i would be quite upset if i went out for some fresh air and got refused re-entry.


^ x2

[parm104]

I LOL at this because parm104 basically just proved Tachycardia's point.

parm104 then immediately snaps and dedicates about 20 paragraphs in three long, rambling posts to smacking down Tachy's question.

Talk about "always on" :fullofwin:

Funny, I said the same thing when he posted, that he proved my point. I guess we are both demonstrations of each other's points.

I'm sorry if you confused responding to a post as being "on." How else do you expect to discuss a topic? I mean, that is what we're here for aren't we? To discuss an issue that is at hand.

I never changed any of El Bastardo's words or phrases, read them for exactly what he typed: "Brown guys...why are you always trying to prove yourself?"

I don't see how you can fail to recognize that that is his statement and that is a gross generalization...that's the point I made when I responded to his post. I'm sorry if no one else see's it but again, you've grouped brown people all into one category. In this case, he was being hypocritical telling us about encounters he has had at work with people generalizing him and stereotyping him, and he went to do it himself. (Although I am not thinking he has done it unintentionally because he nor you have picked up from his language how it can be seen as hypocritical).

Again, I'm sorry if you feel that responding rationally and logically to a post is being "on" and snapping. But I am FAR from the brown people that Bastardo runs into at work and unlike them, I most certainly do not need to prove it to anyone. If you don't believe me, meet me at Bear Creek Park at 4PM and I'll call my cousins and we'll see whatsup. AIGHT BUDDY??

[Glove]

why you be steppin?

[Presto]

parm104 then immediately snaps and dedicates about 20 paragraphs in three long, rambling posts to smacking down Tachy's question.

Talk about "always on" :fullofwin:

Yeah.. he's just in denial. He was "on" when I gave him an infraction a few months ago. He was trying to peacock his join date, like that's supposed to impress me.

[bloodmack]

Your very statement is an insinuation that generalizes brown people. By saying that YOU are not like the typical young EI, YOU are making the generalization and putting all of them into one category. Just saying..
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I see your point, but we all know there is a bigger ratio of EI's who are pricks vs EI's who are good people. Its just the way they were raised. By raised I mean everything given to them by their parents.

[adambomb]

UPDATE:

David Eby is getting involved. :rolleyes:


VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The BC Civil Liberties Association says it's very interested in a story News1130 brought you yesterday about a nightclub bouncer accused of racial profiling in Vancouver. The group tells us private businesses are restricted in how they can refuse access.

Some clubs say they have the right to refuse anyone for any reason. But Executive Director David Eby says that's not entirely true. "You are not allowed under British Columbia law to refuse people access on the basis of age, race, and gender."

"So when you put all of these things together... the only way you are allowed to refuse someone entry is if they are unable to pay the cover charge," he explains. "And sometimes places have dress codes that wouldn't be based on age or race."

Age, of course, being over 19. "You can't have a young-persons-only club," Eby adds.

"They can remove people for being drunk, for causing a disturbance," he tells us. "But what's protected by law is pretty clear: You can't remove someone for their political opinions, race, age, or gender."

But how intoxicated someone is can be hard to prove.

"You often end up in a situation where it's one person's word against another," says Eby. "We often ask ourselves 'What possible benefit would someone have with bringing forward a complaint of racism or discrimination?' Especially given the potential recriminations they could face in their employment or at home."

"We tend to think that when people bring these complaints forward, they should be taken seriously, because it is a big deal to do that," he adds.

Eby hopes last weekend's incident will be investigated, and is encouraging people who feel they've been denied access or re-entry based on their race to contact one of their case workers.

[ruthless]

Funny, I said the same thing when he posted, that he proved my point. I guess we are both demonstrations of each other's points.

I'm sorry if you confused responding to a post as being "on." How else do you expect to discuss a topic? I mean, that is what we're here for aren't we? To discuss an issue that is at hand.

I never changed any of El Bastardo's words or phrases, read them for exactly what he typed: "Brown guys...why are you always trying to prove yourself?"

I don't see how you can fail to recognize that that is his statement and that is a gross generalization...that's the point I made when I responded to his post. I'm sorry if no one else see's it but again, you've grouped brown people all into one category. In this case, he was being hypocritical telling us about encounters he has had at work with people generalizing him and stereotyping him, and he went to do it himself. (Although I am not thinking he has done it unintentionally because he nor you have picked up from his language how it can be seen as hypocritical).

Again, I'm sorry if you feel that responding rationally and logically to a post is being "on" and snapping. But I am FAR from the brown people that Bastardo runs into at work and unlike them, I most certainly do not need to prove it to anyone. If you don't believe me, meet me at Bear Creek Park at 4PM and I'll call my cousins and we'll see whatsup. AIGHT BUDDY??

:fullofwin::fullofwin::fullofwin::fullofwin: :whistle:

[Glove]

bastardo couldnt of asked or said it any better,

browns are always "on",

its even worse when they are in any sort of position of authority, god help you if you have a EI manager or boss.

every fiji guy ive met has been so cool, but every EI guy ive met has 99% of the time been a complete prick.

I also wonder why they are like that, like I REALLY wonder...

[ruthless]

bastardo couldnt of asked or said it any better,

browns are always "on",

its even worse when they are in any sort of position of authority, god help you if you have a EI manager or boss.

every fiji guy ive met has been so cool, but every EI guy ive met has 99% of the time been a complete prick.

I also wonder why they are like that, like I REALLY wonder...

we should meet up im super nice :D and I'm never "on" ;)
Its unfortunate that you've only met brown people who are pricks, since I know quite a few who are some of the nicest down to earth, most chill people ever...

[Meowjin]

^probably hindu's not punjabi's :troll:

jk <3

[Blue_StreakR]

I've worked in the nightclub industry for years. Racial profiling vs brown people is in every club-literally, EVERY club in Vancouver. For instance, I used to work for a very popular Yaletown lounge (frequented by tons of celebrities/VIPs/industry big-wigs), because this is YT, we get tons of high-end clientele. The bouncers are under unofficial orders to monitor a set quota of Brown people, and when a certain group has been admitted entry, they are watched like hawks. Is this profiling? I suppose. But I'd say the moment we have more than 10 Brown people inside the premises, there is without a fail, an altercation. Some nights we have blood all over the place outside, and some nights are tame, but without fail, there will be at least one minor altercation. I have friends that work in the top nightclubs around town, and security/ managers start getting uneasy once the place starts filling up with Browns, and these groups are watched fervently.
This has been going on for years, and it did not spring out suddenly overnight because of some collective conspiracy by every other race to create a non-Brown club. This was started because of years and years of innocent patrons getting attacked by Crown Royal'd up Surrey trash via flexing their collective group muscles at anyone who so much as looks in their general direction.
Bar owners are sick and tired of having to kick out these idiots time and time again every Friday /Saturday night for breaking their property, harassing their clients or endangering the well-being of their employees. This isn't racial profiling; this is common sense. If a company delivers a product that fails to work , time and time again, eventually people will wise up and stop bying the product. Will there be an odd customer who gets a working product? Yes, of course. But will it be safe to err on the side of caution and by a different product from another company? Yes. It pays to be risk adverse. Bar owners and clients wised up years ago to this epidemic of Surrey trash that somehow makes its way from across the bridge and the tunnel, every weekend. I guess I shouldn't have let this industry "secret" out of the bag, but if you didn't know, now you do.

Hit the nail on the head

[strykn]

white guilt is absolutely right. The surrey jacks are the ones that created this stereotype and ruined it for us, the regulars. As TC asked, the reason for this "on" mentality stems from fucked up and retarded parenting. Sons are treated and spoiled like superior beings in traditional indo-canadian families, assimilate that behaviour with the western culture and the media ( e.g. rap songs about going hard and glorifying gangsters) and you get a full blown 'jack' thinking they are better than everyone else. My opinion :)

[JD¹³]

This happens all the time. I know in Victoria they won't let in any brown people from the mainland.
We would if they were willing to let us photocopy their ID's (this was before BarWatch). In the past they used to come in, cause major problems, then run away back to the mainland before they could be tracked down. Most were compliant and we shredded the copies at the end of the night, the ones who refused.... I would typically get a message from the head doorman at another establishment later that night describing them, saying they got tossed for fighting.

It was the same for out of town or groups of Asians. As has been said the very very high percentage of fights in the clubs were from these two ethnicities. And if one goes then they all jump in. They also like to blindside sucker punch or bottle people, including doormen trying to break up the initial fights. South-East Asians (Filipino, Vietnamese) like to throw bottles too for whatever reason.

We also implemented the "no shiny shirts" rule long before it made it over to Vancouver. The nights went by a lot smoother with everyone having more fun once we implemented these policies. Pretty sad actually.

Good luck Civil Liberties Association :eek5x: Bar/Club/Restaurant owners don't want problems, Police don't want problems. Therefore these unofficial policies will remain unchanged.

[Chronix]

can anybody explain why Brown male kids get worshipped like god by their parents? I have a friend who is the youngest and the only male in 4 siblings. Dude already has a police record when he was in gr. 7. starts beef, jump ppl, sell/do drugs throughout high school. His parents pretty much just turn a blind eye on this even though im pretty sure they know. Even bought him a mercedes when he was 17. All at the same time, his other three sisters have to work for their money and what not.

Also, he pretty much get into fights and kicked out at every club he goes to every weekend. being one of his friends, we have to pretty much pull him out, tries and stop the fight (sometimes we get bottled by the other group of people just because we are with him while trying to stop fights). hell, even the cops arrest us sometimes just because we were hanging out with him. =\

and whats with brown guys rolling in with 5 - 10 ppl to clubs. pretty gay.

[ruthless]

can anybody explain why Brown male kids get worshipped like god by their parents? I have a friend who is the youngest and the only male in 4 siblings. Dude already has a police record when he was in gr. 7. starts beef, jump ppl, sell/do drugs throughout high school. His parents pretty much just turn a blind eye on this even though im pretty sure they know. Even bought him a mercedes when he was 17. All at the same time, his other three sisters have to work for their money and what not.

Also, he pretty much get into fights and kicked out at every club he goes to every weekend. being one of his friends, we have to pretty much pull him out, tries and stop the fight (sometimes we get bottled by the other group of people just because we are with him while trying to stop fights). hell, even the cops arrest us sometimes just because we were hanging out with him. =\

and whats with brown guys rolling in with 5 - 10 ppl to clubs. pretty gay.

Its because the parents have carried over a certain mentality that when their daughter(s) get married they go off to the their in-laws house and have to take care of them. While they hope that their son(s) will take care of them when they get older and are unable to do so themselves...so they pretty much treat them better than their daughters because in the end the sons will be taking care of them. Unlike other cultures where the kids move out and live life on their own at 18 etc.

This is one of the major reasons as to why female babies are killed in India, that and the whole dowry($$) system in weddings

[Chronix]

I doubt my friend will take care of his parents when hes in jail/killed. haha

[Soundy]

I'm sorry if you confused responding to a post as being "on."
That's the point: you didn't "just" respond, you went off the deep end, babbling almost incoherently about everything that you perceived was wrong with his post.

And now you're doing the same with me.

You're like that drunk guy who wants to fight anyone who looks at him sideways (whether they do or not).

[jeffh]

being a white dude from the interior, it was sure an experience walking down granville trying to find the *right* club to go to on a friday night in the summer

walked into one that had a $15 cover and the ENTIRE place was brown dudes giving us the "wtf are you doing here" eyes

we didnt even stay for a drink because the vibes were so sketchy

ended up hitting lamplighter the next night and had a great time, but we musta tried 6 differnt clubs the friday and then my one buddy almost got into an altercation with like 6 asian dudes in a burger king before we jsut gave up and caught the bus back to my friends place in richmond

[Culverin]

Wow! Lols, seriously?

I don't do the whole clubbing scene, but I always just assumed it was a pretty mixed bag for race distribution. I kinda thought that some clubs were heavily favored by certain races, but this is actually kinda news to me.

Actually, I never even saw the appeal of clubs. Can somebody explain that to me?? I much prefer hanging out with friends, everything from run down pubs like The Cambie to nicer places like Chill Winston. Maybe it's cause I like to eat.

[1exotic]

http://www.gifsoup.com/imager.php?id=1145514

[Shead]

who gives a fuck? its a club in vancouver. why waste your money here, save it for vegas where you get treated good for spending money, rather than getting a dirty look from everyone.

[westopher]

"You often end up in a situation where it's one person's word against another," says Eby. "We often ask ourselves 'What possible benefit would someone have with bringing forward a complaint of racism or discrimination?' Especially given the potential recriminations they could face in their employment or at home."

Are you fistfucking me? What benefit? How about lawsuits, under the table payoffs from companies to keep their mouth shut, free shit, pity from others for being the "victim."
Thats like saying why would some girl accuse Kobe of rape if it didn't happen? Not that its fact that neither happened, but when you accuse someone of doing you wrong, there is very often something to be gained..

[Harvey Specter]

i know that i look like a fuken surrey jack. but damn, i never act like one. i try and stay away that shit

Best quote ever. LOL.

[Harvey Specter]

As an EI male I too stay away from large groups of EI males.

First time in a long time I went out to Surrey last night. I met with a friend of mine at some bar in South South nd I see this group of 15 EI guys who must have been in their late 20's, early 30's talking really loud and been obnoxious during the Canucks game. So as the game ended, this one guy starts going ape shit and talking about how he owns farms and how his Bentley was parked outside and it was the most expensive car in the lot and blah blah, yes he did have a Bentley GT.

So I glance over and I can tell other people sitting around them were looking for the waitress to get their bills and I could tell the manager was getting upset so he walks up to the table and in a nice way tells them that it was time to leave and Mr. Bentley starts going off and telling him he can buy the restaurant and fire him. It was quite funny what this idiot who look to be in his late 30's was saying but the manager remained cool and told him to relax and just pay the bill and leave. As the group is leaving their swearing and one guy from the group tells a table with a couple not to "fucking look at him" but one of the hero's decides to take a beer bottle and smash it in the parking, no clue what he gained from that.



98.9% of Punjabi guys are not like these guys but it's these small groups that fuck it up for everyone else. It's like a few years ago when most of the guys killing each other were a small group EI gangsters and all of a sudden every EI guy was a gangster. My point is I use to get worked up about stories of racial profiling but over the years I've come to realize that a small minority of Punjabi guys fucked everything up us normal Punjabi guys and from a business stand point it makes sense not to allow large groups of Punjabi males. Yes, they spend quite a bit of money on boozes but is it worth getting your liquor license revoked? And because of these rowdy guys, clubs are afraid to let Punjabi girls in because they know it'll attract Punjabi guys. It is what it is but people need to stop crying out racism every time they see stories like this. Yes, racism exists but I bet you guys anything if a club was owned by a Punjabi person they would have the same rules in place, would he/she be called a racist?

[Teh Doucher]

bastardo couldnt of asked or said it any better,

browns are always "on",

its even worse when they are in any sort of position of authority, god help you if you have a EI manager or boss.

every fiji guy ive met has been so cool, but every EI guy ive met has 99% of the time been a complete prick.

I also wonder why they are like that, like I REALLY wonder...

seriously? im really sorry to hear that man. us normal EI guys do exist, but its a bit of a chore trying to find us because we're always trying too keep away from the "jacks".

if you ever saw me in public, id automatically get stereotyped and stuck in with that bad crowd.. its because of the way i dress. cincinnati reds hat, black and white ekco zip up, sweat pants and chuck taylors. i dress like that because im a fat stoner that loves rap. lol. but somehow i get looked at like im a gangster?? it could also be my beard but the ladies love it :)

i get told all the time by my white friends that im not brown and my one good friend thats brown tells me that im only, "brown on the outside"...

[Meowjin]

As an EI male I too stay away from large groups of EI males.

First time in a long time I went out to Surrey last night. I met with a friend of mine at some bar in South South nd I see this group of 15 EI guys who must have been in their late 20's, early 30's talking really loud and been obnoxious during the Canucks game. So as the game ended, this one guy starts going ape shit and talking about how he owns farms and how his Bentley was parked outside and it was the most expensive car in the lot and blah blah, yes he did have a Bentley GT.

So I glance over and I can tell other people sitting around them were looking for the waitress to get their bills and I could tell the manager was getting upset so he walks up to the table and in a nice way tells them that it was time to leave and Mr. Bentley starts going off and telling him he can buy the restaurant and fire him. It was quite funny what this idiot who look to be in his late 30's was saying but the manager remained cool and told him to relax and just pay the bill and leave. As the group is leaving their swearing and one guy from the group tells a table with a couple not to "fucking look at him" but one of the hero's decides to take a beer bottle and smash it in the parking, no clue what he gained from that.



98.9% of Punjabi guys are not like these guys but it's these small groups that fuck it up for everyone else. It's like a few years ago when most of the guys killing each other were a small group EI gangsters and all of a sudden every EI guy was a gangster. My point is I use to get worked up about stories of racial profiling but over the years I've come to realize that a small minority of Punjabi guys fucked everything up us normal Punjabi guys and from a business stand point it makes sense not to allow large groups of Punjabi males. Yes, they spend quite a bit of money on boozes but is it worth getting your liquor license revoked? And because of these rowdy guys, clubs are afraid to let Punjabi girls in because they know it'll attract Punjabi guys. It is what it is but people need to stop crying out racism every time they see stories like this. Yes, racism exists but I bet you guys anything if a club was owned by a Punjabi person they would have the same rules in place, would he/she be called a racist?

hahah im pretty sure I know that group. I'm going to call him on that when I see him next.

[Ronin]

It's not racist if it's true.

[Psykopathik]

THEY SEE ME ROLLIN' THEY HATIN'
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197482_4243368634_502368634_82313_7311_n.jpg

i don't ever recall a dragon playing any part in punjabi culture....

anyone seen the
http://images5.cpcache.com/product_zoom/81048695v3_400x400_Front.jpg
sticker :p

[Soundy]

UPDATE:

David Eby is getting involved. :rolleyes:

Wow, there's a shock... talk about your attention whores.

[tr0ubl3s0m3x]

This thread got on news1130. :fullofwin:

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/209663--gang-members-come-from-all-backgrounds-criminologist

[Meowjin]

time to be as racist as possible, and go

[Ch28]

This thread got on news1130. :fullofwin:

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/209663--gang-members-come-from-all-backgrounds-criminologist

Pretty sad when the news has to use RS as a way of gathering information for their 'news'

Andrea Macpherson harsh be lurkin. If you're going to screencap us and use it as a basis for your story than you might as well give RS some credit

[Presto]

Andrea Macpherson harsh be lurkin.


Tits or GTFO!

[Soundy]

Like how the "SEVERAL online forums" links here... :troll:

[GabAlmighty]

Brown guys have been denied at bars since I began going when I turned 19 and I've seen more brown guys in fights than any other race. Is this racial profiling or do south asian males actually get aggressive when they drink and this is another case of a bouncer trying to prevent an altercation. (see:doing his job) :argue:

I wasn't going to really get involved but since you asked. I was jumped by a meathead of a "brown" guy saturday night (April 2) at Joes Apartment for no reason. Didn't look at him wrong nor did I say a word to him. Took about five sucker punches to the face.

[adambomb]

I wonder how RS is linked to the NEWS1130 article since there has been no discussion about gang affiliation.

Were all just talking about how Surrey Jacks piss us off. :rant

[Death2Theft]

Do u still look like Paul walker?
I wasn't going to really get involved but since you asked. I was jumped by a meathead of a "brown" guy saturday night (April 2) at Joes Apartment for no reason. Didn't look at him wrong nor did I say a word to him. Took about five sucker punches to the face.
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[JD¹³]

I wasn't going to really get involved but since you asked. I was jumped by a meathead of a "brown" guy saturday night (April 2) at Joes Apartment for no reason. Didn't look at him wrong nor did I say a word to him. Took about five sucker punches to the face.
Nuts or throat, 100% of the time it works everytime :whistle:

[El Bastardo]

Hello Vancouver public. I'm not racist.


and i love surrey

Fuck no. This place is where the sixth circle of hell bleeds into the seventh.

[asahai69]

Hello Vancouver public. I'm not racist.

and i love surrey


edit. how the hell did that news article start talking about gangs? lmao wtf!?!?!?! im sure most of the fights in the clubs are just regular dudes acting tough. not random gang members meeting up in a bar and fighting it out like a fuken western movie. gangsters are a verryyyyy tiny percentage of the population

[baggdis300]

Nuts or throat, 100% of the time it works everytime :whistle:

throat punch FTW....:fullofwin:


that being said, those surrey jack's ruined it for the rest of us east indian's that just want to chill out and have a good time downtown....


its mostly the dips that pull that kinda shit.... And yeah, ill say it I hate most dips.......

[GabAlmighty]

Do u still look like Paul walker?
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Nah, I gained some muscle and keep my hair shorter now haha. How did you know about that trait?

Nuts or throat, 100% of the time it works everytime :whistle:

Didn't need to. I tackled/threw him into the urinals and was about to do some work when they pulled us apart. It's a shame, ah well.

[Soundy]

For those too lazy to click (or in case the link gets edited):

Gang members come from all backgrounds: criminologist
Responds to debate stemming from racial profiling accusation at Vancouver nightclub

Andrea Macpherson 2011/04/08
LOWER MAINLAND (NEWS1130) - Racial profiling accusations at a Vancouver nightclub has ignited a debate on several online forums (http://www.revscene.net/forums/bouncer-vancouver-pub-t642169.html) and on this website.

Many people suggest denying people entry based on race is loosely connected to the Lower Mainland gang scene. But criminologist Darryl Plecas with the University of the Fraser Valley says gangs members come in all forms and from different backgrounds.

"One good example of that, where there are multi ethnic groups, is the UN Gang... which [most people] will be familiar with," he points out. "It is also true, more often than not, that gangs are ethnically based. So it's not hard to see how some people might get confused about that."

He notes there are white, black, hispanic, Italian, Asian, South Asian gangs -- and all other kinds in between. Plecas adds clubs can be faced with political correctness challenges but "it would be definitely unfair to make the assumption that simply because there was a collection of people or young people from an ethnic group... that there was some sort of gang thing going on."

Note: clicking the link above will result in a feedback loop. You have been warned.

[baggdis300]

wtf you mean feedback loop?

i clicked it and it just opened this thread from the 1st page....

[El Bastardo]

edit. how the hell did that news article start talking about gangs? lmao wtf!?!?!?! im sure most of the fights in the clubs are just regular dudes acting tough. not random gang members meeting up in a bar and fighting it out like a fuken western movie. gangsters are a verryyyyy tiny percentage of the population


They want to further distance regular citizens from these hooligans because it creates a sense of "Us vs Them" and NIMBYism. Nobody wants to believe that their next door neighbour is capable of being the type of person who get into drunken brawls after a couple of shots.

Plus, "gangs" drive web traffic. The person writing the article clearly had a quote lined up before writing it and wanted a way to tie in a current event so it didn't go to waste.

The line "Many people suggest denying people entry based on race is loosely connected to the Lower Mainland gang scene." COULD be rooted in fact but can't be backed up by any source. Many people could suggest that denying people entry based on race is loosely connected to seasonal affective disorder and be just as right.

Andrea Macpherson is a terrible journalist and needed something publishable to make it seem like her days spent playing Farmville at the News 1130 offices not a total waste of money. Its both unintentionally hilarious and unfortunate that Revscene, who in no way was discussing gang activity in relation to this event, has been fingered as a "source"

[Soundy]

wtf you mean feedback loop?

i clicked it and it just opened this thread from the 1st page....

Exactly. Now go to page 5... look, there's the link again. Click it again.

[Soundy]

Its both unintentionally hilarious and unfortunate that Revscene, who in no way was discussing gang activity in relation to this event, has been fingered as a "source"

Well, you know what they say, any publicity is good publicity :)

[Roach]

As an East Indian male, I can understand the prejudice against us.

Even through my own life experiences, I have chosen to distance myself from my brethren. Does it mean I'm not proud of my culture? No. I just can't live with the arrogant, egotistical & violent nature of brown guys. It is all show, stare-downs and threats with most brown guys. Listening to 2pac like they are some oppressed gangbangers makes them think they have something to prove. Realistically, they are mainly upper middle class and take advantage of their hard-working parent's blind love for male children to present an image of having "made it".

My friends are mainly oriental. And as a result, I've never had a problem getting into a club. Nor have I ever started any problems at one. We never get in fights nor do we have anything to prove to anyone. It's just good times, the way it should be.

Inevitably, if our culture wants the profiling to stop, we need to adjust our attitudes and behaviour to regain the respect we have long lost.

And in no way does that comment reflect on any of the EI guys posting in this thread. There are some very eloquent and educated apnas on this forum. However, Revscene attracts a more educated demographic of participants IMO.

Kev

[baggdis300]

Exactly. Now go to page 5... look, there's the link again. Click it again.

you made it sound like it would do it automatically...

now you have to be retarded if you keep clicking that...

[Noir]

I've always thought it's not really a racial profile but a social profile.

I lived 4 blocks from Granville DT and it's my usual spot for a time a few years ago and I can first handedly say that it doesn't matter what your racial profile is, if you come down with a posse, all thug life, rowdy, and have the air of "I'm going to own this joint," and not submit to authority (bouncers)... you'll get refused.

The reason why you don't hear much from the white demographic that get refused entry or service, is because they can't pull the race card, like brown people do. It may be subjective to me alone but I just want to put it in there that white-groups get refused too (depending on circumstances)

[asahai69]

^ yeah but the thing is that even if you arent rolling in a crew 15 deep, arent rowdy and are just chillin and polite to the bouncers. you may still be denied entry

[Soundy]

you made it sound like it would do it automatically...

now you have to be retarded if you keep clicking that...

YES! NOW HE UNDERSTANDS! WILL MIRACLES NEVER FUCKING CEASE?!

[Soundy]

As an East Indian male, I can understand the prejudice against us.

Even through my own life experiences, I have chosen to distance myself from my brethren. Does it mean I'm not proud of my culture? No. I just can't live with the arrogant, egotistical & violent nature of brown guys.

But is that kind of attitude/behavior really a part of your culture? Or just something a few idiots have picked up along the way?

[Noir]

^ yeah but the thing is that even if you arent rolling in a crew 15 deep, arent rowdy and are just chillin and polite to the bouncers. you may still be denied entry

Not sure about that. It all depends how one carries themselves. I have EI friends that look, talk, walk very polished and they have no probs getting anywhere or encountering racism. As far as I can see, they fit in just well.

I wonder why they don't find themselves in the same troubles a lot of EI's tend to speak about?.....

[Roach]

But is that kind of attitude/behavior really a part of your culture? Or just something a few idiots have picked up along the way?

Soundy, I can only speak through my own experiences and therefore don't want to give an anecdotal view on the subject. But since you asked... yes, that attitude & behaviour is a part of our culture in varying degrees.

Every East Indian male has the middle name "Singh". In our culture, "Singh" means Lion. And as we all know, lions are portrayed as being kings of the jungle. Therefore, a king of the jungle mentality has been long engrained in Sikh male mindset.

This mentality has positive and negative consequences. On the positive side, men feel like they are masters of their on destiny and that they should be strong providers for their family. On the downside, men will react aggressively to any sense of challenge or disrespect. This often translates itself into violence. And don't just think it's at the club. Sikh men seem to have a disproportionate rate of violence against their spouses as well (Panghali anyone?).

Once again, I can't cite any statistics. I can only speak to my own life experiences. However, as anecdotal as my view may be, I doubt there are many apnas that can disagree with much of what I'm saying.

We have a problem, and it's not the Donnelly group.

Kev

[Soundy]

Soundy, I can only speak through my own experiences and therefore don't want to give an anecdotal view on the subject. But since you asked... yes, that attitude & behaviour is a part of our culture in varying degrees.
So you figure (from what you know of it) it's more a cultural thing than a racial thing... I mean, I know plenty of brown guys who fit Noir's description above: clean, polished, mellow attitude... obviously that sort of behavior isn't something that's directly tied to skin color.

Might it not be said then, that these clubs/bouncers are engaging in CULTURAL profiling?

I wonder if a white male brought up in that culture since very early life would have the same sort of attitudes? Semi-rhetorical question; I think there's a good chance he would.

Every East Indian male has the middle name "Singh". In our culture, "Singh" means Lion. And as we all know, lions are portrayed as being kings of the jungle. Therefore, a king of the jungle mentality has been long engrained in Sikh male mindset.
In other words: "always on"?

Interesting, did not know that... I'd been under the impression the "Singh" name was something that some took on to indicate... shall we say, a religious affiliation.

Once again, I can't cite any statistics. I can only speak to my own life experiences. However, as anecdotal as my view may be, I doubt there are many apnas that can disagree with much of what I'm saying.
Well, it sounds like you're someone who has at least looked into the culture you grew up in, if not studied it specifically, which to me makes you more qualified to address the topic.

From my own observations, it seems to me a lot of "issues" like this one are more often culturally-based, rather than racial... but as others have said, "racism" is such a taboo thing (far more than it should be, IMO), it's a far more "effective" response for someone slighted to, as they say, "play the race card". Claiming "cultural profiling" would just draw a MEH from everyone, including David Eby.

I think to some degree, those screaming "racism" are really just attention whoring anyway...

[Death2Theft]

Truth of the matter is stereotypes are formed because there is some degree of truth to them.

[Manic!]

People are making it sound like brown guys are the only ones that have the tough guy attitude but in reality there are no more aggressive than any other skin color it's just that being brown and having a large population in a certain geographical area they stand out. Nightclubs are a magnet for douchebags of all colors. I doubt you would see a reduced violence in areas were the population is mostly white.

[Harvey Specter]

Granville = doucheville.

[JD¹³]

People are making it sound like brown guys are the only ones that have the tough guy attitude but in reality there are no more aggressive than any other skin color it's just that being brown and having a large population in a certain geographical area they stand out.
I respectfully disagree. On a 'per capita' basis of nightlife 'users' certain ethnicities cause more serious problems on a more regular basis than others.

[Midnitez]

by your logic, icbc should stop letting clais get driving licenses... They'd just be "doing there job" right? Dumbass
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maybe they looked like douchebags? maybe the clais really cant fricken drive for shits? :fullofwin:

[Manic!]

I respectfully disagree. On a 'per capita' basis of nightlife 'users' certain ethnicities cause more serious problems on a more regular basis than others.
I don't really understand your statement but do you have any stats to back what your saying?

[JD¹³]

I don't really understand your statement but do you have any stats to back what your saying?
In my 3+ years of working security in this industry I can say Asians and South Asians caused the majority of the violence problems and almost all the serious ones where police had to be involved (knives, bottles, group beatings, sucker punching people unconscious, etc).

[Manic!]

In my 3+ years of working security in this industry I can say Asians and South Asians caused the majority of the violence problems and almost all the serious ones where police had to be involved (knives, bottles, group beatings, sucker punching people unconscious, etc).

That's because you work in an area with lots of Asian people. Work in a club in Nanaimo you will see the same stuff done by white people. I doubt there is less violence in Nanaimo than Vancouver. There might be more violence in some places on the island.

[JD¹³]

That's because you work in an area with lots of Asian people. Work in a club in Nanaimo you will see the same stuff done by white people. I doubt there is less violence in Nanaimo than Vancouver. There might be more violence in some places on the island.
Actually I worked in Victoria where the nightlife is primarily populated by UVic students and wannabe aristocrats. Nanaimo is an exception as it's an HA haven.

You can argue all you want Manic. I'm not racist and trying to single these ethnicities out but any doorman in this region is going to tell you the same thing. That's why the unofficial policies that got the doorman in the OP in trouble exist. He's exceptionally stupid for making it so black and white if he really did say what is being quoted, but as has been proven in this thread noone is surprised. Not even other South Asian men.

[parm104]

That's because you work in an area with lots of Asian people. Work in a club in Nanaimo you will see the same stuff done by white people. I doubt there is less violence in Nanaimo than Vancouver. There might be more violence in some places on the island.

That's the point people are missing here. Experiences will differ not only from LOCATION but also your own DEMOGRAPHIC.

I find it hard to believe that people here don't feel that there aren't just as many tough guy wannabe whites as there are browns. As if there aren't as many gangsters asians as there are brown.

It's easier to pass on judgement on people that we cannot relate to than it is to pass judgement on our own. As I mentioned in my very first post, no doubt there are a lot of East Indians in VANCOUVER that have a tough-guy attitude, but that is a FRACTION of the people that live here.

Your experiences downtown and in clubs may just be an experience with the same people. I can assure you, me being one of them, not all East Indians are regulars downtown and in fact rarely, if ever go clubbing.

Similarly, an East Indian would come into this board and say "what is with these tough-guy whites that always stare you down for no reason."

The color of our skin plays a major role in our day to day experiences. Why have white people called my parents "Taliban" when we're at the mall?! Why do people drive by in their cars and tell us to "go back to our country" when we have religious events?? These are all experiences that many brown people face. The point being is, although there is an obvious issue with "Surrey Jack" brown people, they are a small fraction of the entire brown population in the Lower Mainland and your experiences with them will differ as does your race and location.

[Manic!]

Actually I worked in Victoria where the nightlife is primarily populated by UVic students and wannabe aristocrats. Nanaimo is an exception as it's an HA haven.

You can argue all you want Manic. I'm not racist and trying to single these ethnicities out but any doorman in this region is going to tell you the same thing. That's why the unofficial policies that got the doorman in the OP in trouble exist. He's exceptionally stupid for making it so black and white if he really did say what is being quoted, but as has been proven in this thread noone is surprised. Not even other South Asian men.

Vic is the exception on the Island. Cambell River, courtenay, Parksville all have a lot of fights. Parksville had one club and it got closed down becase there were fights every weekend. One person got jumped and beat up so bad he died. Funny you will never see white people get banned from a club no matter how much trouble they cause.

[JD¹³]

Funny you will never see white people get banned from a club no matter how much trouble they cause.
Not true at ALL man. Now you're just reaching for arguments sake.

[Manic!]

Not true at ALL man. Now you're just reaching for arguments sake.

I meant all white people.

[Harvey Specter]

I remember going down to Victoria a few years back and been tailed by the Victoria police the 2 days we were in Victoria. We were even told by a cop that "your kind isn't welcomed here", and two of my friends got thrown into the drunk thank but one of them was completely sober. We made a report, some cop called back and got more information but nothing came out of it but it was the worst experience ever and I've never been back to the island since. That been said, we didn't have any issues getting into the clubs.

[Soundy]

Maybe by "your kind", they meant Corolla drivers?

[will068]

Maybe by "your kind", they meant Corolla drivers?

For Jah.. I don't think so... :whistle:

[will068]

I remember going down to Victoria a few years back and been tailed by the Victoria police the 2 days we were in Victoria. We were even told by a cop that "your kind isn't welcomed here", and two of my friends got thrown into the drunk thank but one of them was completely sober. We made a report, some cop called back and got more information but nothing came out of it but it was the worst experience ever and I've never been back to the island since. That been said, we didn't have any issues getting into the clubs.

I remember when I went clubbing at Victoria in 07. My younger sister just graduated from Uvic and her friends went clubbing that night. The boyfriend (who happens to be EI) of one of the classmates approached me saying one of the patrons wanted to start a fight with him and told him something along the lines of "not wanting his kind in Victoria". The guy was just chilling and minding his own business too. Hell, I was just chilling there making sure my sis got home safe. In the end of the night, I'm glad nothing happened.

[baggdis300]

The thing is as parm104 pointed out, JD, that you have been dealing with the SAME group of people..


i for one RARELY go down town, last time was during the olympics for the obvious reason....

and all the fights i saw dt were drunk white guys, so with seeing that is it safe to say that all you white guys can't hold your liquor and get in stupid fights in middle of the street?

[johny]

last time at a club they let all the hot girls in and not my ugly face. they are sexist too!.... :facepalm:

[Death2Theft]

I find it's the brown guys who are more likely to act/think they are black just because they have darker skin tone than the rest of vancouver.
That's the point people are missing here. Experiences will differ not only from LOCATION but also your own DEMOGRAPHIC.

I find it hard to believe that people here don't feel that there aren't just as many tough guy wannabe whites as there are browns. As if there aren't as many gangsters asians as there are brown.

[Manic!]

I find it's the brown guys who are more likely to act/think they are black just because they have darker skin tone than the rest of vancouver.

Ya they all wanna be like Barack Obama.

[parm104]

I find it's the brown guys who are more likely to act/think they are black just because they have darker skin tone than the rest of vancouver.

HA! Pretty amusing how you instantly assume "gangster" as being "black." :failed:

I guess white guys who tan are just trying to be gangster then since they're a shade closer to black.

[El Bastardo]

I can't wait until this thread hits Fight Club

[GabAlmighty]

I know lots of white guys, and girls for that matter, that have been/are banned from clubs.

[white_guilt]

HA! Pretty amusing how you instantly assume "gangster" as being "black." :failed:

I guess white guys who tan are just trying to be gangster then since they're a shade closer to black.

OH SHIT! RUN FOR THE HILLS- He's about to lose it!!!!!!





:troll:

[Manic!]

I know lots of white guys, and girls for that matter, that have been/are banned from clubs.

i bet they were banned for there actions not there skin color.
I bet a bouncers never said "Sorry you can't come in we have reached the maximum number of white people we are allowing in tonight".

[Meowjin]

No we don't let in people if they dress sketchy as fuck, act douchey regardless of skin colour.

Don't reach Manic.

Also for those that are attacking the bouncers. Think about Plaza club and what happened.

[adambomb]

What happened at Plaza? :inout:

[deep87]

There are some very eloquent and educated apnas on this forum. However, Revscene attracts a more educated demographic of participants IMO.

Kev
Did I really just agree to that?! Mind = blown.:willnill:

On another note, even in my own circle of friends there are those that get aggressive when they drink and those that don't. We try to pace the aggressive guys if we do decide to head out with them. At the same time the rest of us will make a conscious effort to stay within our limits in case the others need to be controlled. Nice guys otherwise but they really shouldn't be drinking. This has allowed us to avoid some close calls.

Now when you get a group without anyone making an effort to keep things civilized things get wild. I can see why bouncers have a hard time differentiating between the two.

[Death2Theft]

If that was the case there would be alot less ghettos and alot more contributing members to society.
Ya they all wanna be like Barack Obama.

[Sid Vicious]

club bouncers should exercise female weight profiling

[Graeme S]

Points given, problem solved, move on. From here on out, it will not be points but two week bans.

[spyker]

I use to bounce part time back in the late 90's at Celebrities,even back then we were told not to let certain ethnic groups into the club.....or certain gay patrons.

....ah I miss those days,so much fun working there.

[GabAlmighty]

club bouncers should exercise female weight profiling

Hahahahha, well played sir.

[adambomb]

"All the names speak for itself [sic]."

NEWS1130 is still rolling with this topic... :squint:

Looks like they dropped the whole gang affiliation crap and now have a copy of email exchanges.


Check it.


http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/211917--south-asian-man-denied-club-reservation-based-on-names

[JD¹³]

The thing is as parm104 pointed out, JD, that you have been dealing with the SAME group of people..
Well.... yeah. This thread is about a bar in Vancouver, so the discussion is about racial profiling in this region. Obviously how people behave in other parts of the country or world will be different.

I don't know if the way certain ethnicities behave locally is cultural or social conditioning, but I do know that bars are having less violence related issues with these unofficial profiling policies in place. I didn't make the policies I just enforced them, and they worked. Sad but true, sorry.

[dhari]

damn eh, that Donnelly employee who CC'd that email is gonna get canned.

[Meowjin]

why are people defending what they know is true in vancouver?

like fuck do I have to film people acting like retards to believe it?

[BNR32_Coupe]

However, Revscene attracts a more educated demographic of participants IMO.


:eek1:

[Soundy]

NEWS1130 is still rolling with this topic... :squint:

Looks like they dropped the whole gang affiliation crap and now have a copy of email exchanges.


Check it.


http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/211917--south-asian-man-denied-club-reservation-based-on-names

Which assumes the email itself isn't forged... cuz you know, that's SO hard to do...

Twenty South Asian names were included on a list, which was denied after a conversation between the Operations Manager and a VIP host. That conversation was somehow cc'd to the man planning his birthday.

So rather than bring this forward immediately when the claim was first made, it takes a week later for the guy to "somehow" release it?

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight.

[parm104]

Which assumes the email itself isn't forged... cuz you know, that's SO hard to do...

So rather than bring this forward immediately when the claim was first made, it takes a week later for the guy to "somehow" release it?

Uh-huh. Riiiiiiight.

Although it's really difficult to understand what's going on in these emails. The website could've done a little editing without tampering with the content of the email to show a better chain of conversation. Nevertheless, I think there may be some confusion on who the emails belong to. From what I can understand from the story, the emails are in conjunction to a completely separate case from the one we have been discussing over the last few weeks.

"...the response a South Asian man in Surrey got when he was denied a reservation from the Republic nightclub in downtown Vancouver in April 2008."

The email chain was established in 2008 and it appears someone has brought this forward in efforts to provide support on the original story's premise.

[Death2Theft]

You should be thankful of how tolerant vancouver is. Try getting into a bar in Calgary if your not white.

[El Bastardo]

The email looks like bullshit imo. I can't imagine any company rep saying anything like that.

[asahai69]

The email looks like bullshit imo. I can't imagine any company rep saying anything like that.

heres the difference. i totally can

[ajax]

I have never had a guestlist accepted that didn't include majority of my white friends. And I'm just a brown guy from poco.
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[Gh0stRider]

We are actively investigating the allegation that one of our employees may have denied a guest list booking at Republic based on the names of the guests in April 2008. We take these claims very seriously, and are working hard to understand exactly what happened and confirm all of the facts. This is a very unfortunate incident, and of course we understand the strong feelings associated with these claims.

The Donnelly Group is a Vancouver based company that has operated in our diversely multicultural City since 1999. With 13 venues, we are an equal opportunities company that employs over 450 people and caters to people of all backgrounds and race. We do not condone prejudice of any kind, and our staff and clientele are an obvious testament to that.

At this time, we have requested that copies of the e-mails in question be released to us from News1130 so that this situation can be properly investigated and addressed internally.

We value customer feedback and would like to hear from anyone who has an experience they would like to share – positive or negative – from a Donnelly Group venue. Please feel free to comment or e-mail us at info@donnellygroup.ca.

Jeff Donnelly
President
The Donnelly Group

http://donnellygroup.ca/blog/

[asahai69]

Donnelly group is the absolute worst. That was released just to make people think they give a damn.

[Meowjin]

There are some people on twitter that have 2-12k subscribers that are saying to ban donelly nightclub's.

[Death2Theft]

The funny thing is I bet if a brown guy opened up a club in vancouver he'd screen out even more brown people.

[Ludepower]

Did they mention which club that brown dude was denied re-entry?

Anyways...since Donelly Group got brought up...I wanna say F*CK THEM!
If you're not a yaletown yuppie or dont have $20 for grease...EXPECT LONG WAITS!
I know you can say all clubs are like this but I find Donelly clubs (republic, modern, pop opera) take selective entry to the extreme.

[Sid Vicious]

There are some people on twitter that have 2-12k subscribers that are saying to ban donelly nightclub's.

http://www.worldofmonopoly.com/images/board300x300.jpg

[ajax]

http://www.worldofmonopoly.com/images/board300x300.jpg

Yup they pretty much do.

And what brown people are pissed about is that though there is a select group of people who go out, are "always on" and wreak havoc, the clubs are screwing the rest of us as well who don't act that way.

[Meowjin]

http://www.worldofmonopoly.com/images/board300x300.jpg

Cellar, Caprice, Venue, Celebrities, Barcelona, Ginger 62, Charles Bar, Fortune, Shine, Roxy, Cielis.

I guess if you wanna hang around other coked out gold diggers who want to talk about how industry they are go there.

[baggdis300]

i have had zero problems getting into cellar...

if anything its been the quickest/easiest to get into

[parm104]

Yup they pretty much do.

And what brown people are pissed about is that though there is a select group of people who go out, are "always on" and wreak havoc, the clubs are screwing the rest of us as well who don't act that way.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Except, I'm personally not "pissed" about the current issue. I could care less if I am denied entry into a BUILDING that plays music...I mean come on now. Why get bothered up about not being allowed to spend ridiculous amounts of money:

Potential Greasing: $20
Cover - $20
Coat Check: $5
Coat Check Tip? $5
5 rounds of 4 shooters: $5x4shooters= $20x5=$120
Bartender Tip: $5

Total: $175 Average cost of the night. Of course you may not spend $120 on shooters and you may not tip or need to grease the bouncer, but it's a fair price for an average night.

Why be upset if you get to keep that $175 instead?

On another note, obviously Donnelly Night Clubs have some damage control in progress. Their public relations company is going to try their best to make the company seem unaccountable and unaware of any accusations. On the other hand, the longer this story stays in the media, the more it is hurting the company. Regardless of whether they actually did anything wrong, or whether people are on their side, this negativity will damper their image at the very least.

[Meowjin]

Bartenders are the whiniest people alive. Ff theres one thing i've learned working DT for the past 4 years.

Can you imagine a night where you make 200-300 dollars in TAX FREE money, but complain because "you don't want to deal with the crowd" or that it's too little money to be working...

Give me a fucking break.

[Obsideon]

Exactly. Now go to page 5... look, there's the link again. Click it again.

Look again, now this thread has turned into DIAMONDS! :troll:

[Obsideon]

Las Vegas clubs have been sexually discriminating (quite obviously) since the beginning of time, it's a well-known fact that they would refuse entry (or in other case ask for a lot of $) to a bunch of dudes whereas a bunch of bangin' hot ladies would get in free with no line-up and even free drinks. I don't see anyone being all up in arms about that?

[asahai69]

^ thats Las Vegas. this is Vancouver. please dont tell me your comparing the two

edit. and what guy is going to complain that there are too many ladies in the club. i WISH vancouver had that problem

[adambomb]

Not only has this entire issue negatively affected the Donnelly group, but I can also see it having a negative affect on South Asians. By "airing the dirty laundry" that is in Vancouver's nightlife. I can see operations managers, from now on, just completely ignoring emails about guestlist requests from people with South Asian names. There is no proof of racism or discrimination if there is no response. You can't submit a list with fake names because they won't match the id. There will be a "Sorry, you're not on the list" from the guestlist girl, then the bouncer can, and will come up with any excuse to refuse entry as long as he doesn't pull the race card.


Its sad our society operates like this, but can anybody that works in the industry tell me i'm wrong? I'm just speculating here.

:argue:

[boogabooga]

Vancouver club scene is just a bad experience. When was the last time you went to a club that went smoothly? Theres too many barriers to break down to have a great night. Lineup waiting to get in only to be denied because Im not a female or with too many dudes or having to grease the bouncer. Ever increasing cover, mandatory coat checks + tips. Rowdy peeps who cant handle there liquor. Fight break outs. Walking out of the club without getting shot at. I quit the scene along time ago. Nothing beats backyard drinking with the real crowd, your friends.

[Soundy]

Vancouver club scene is just a bad experience. When was the last time you went to a club that went smoothly?
Last night at the Cobalt before the hotel was sold and the bar was turned into a hipster hellhole. I went to dozens of shows there when it was a metal bar, and never once saw a fight. Maybe because guys got all their aggression out in the mosh pit... maybe because the metal scene doesn't attract the gangsta element (nobody gives a fuck about your bling).

[Chronix]

just a question, when you grease the bouncer, he keeps the money or the club takes it?

[Death2Theft]

Why do you think it's called greasing the bouncer and not greasing the club?

[Meowjin]

just a question, when you grease the bouncer, he keeps the money or the club takes it?

split among the other bouncers.

[Manic!]

Las Vegas clubs have been sexually discriminating (quite obviously) since the beginning of time, it's a well-known fact that they would refuse entry (or in other case ask for a lot of $) to a bunch of dudes whereas a bunch of bangin' hot ladies would get in free with no line-up and even free drinks. I don't see anyone being all up in arms about that?

Just came back from Vegas 8 brown guys and had no trouble at the clubs.

[Ch28]

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/214207--racism-complaints-should-be-filed-with-human-rights-tribunal

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The only way to bring attention to possible racism in Vancouver nightclubs is to file formal complaints with the BC Human Rights Tribunal. That's according to Dr. Hedy Fry, the Minister for Multiculturalism.

The MP for Vancouver Centre has heard our stories, but she says it's the first she's heard of the issue. "The way people deal with this... if they believe they have a case [and I can't tell you if there's a case or not], people would have to, to the BC Human Rights Commission, present the facts and they would look into it."

She adds then further investigations can take place to land some concrete facts.

News1130 (http://twitter.com/news1130radio) told you last week about several people claiming to be racially profiled at two clubs owned by the Donnelly Group and the ensuing reaction that spread online.

The Donnelly Group has refused to give News1130 an interview on the story.

The last part speaks volumes about the situation. If there is nothing to hide then they should have no troubles doing an interview to clear the air. Instead, all they've done is post an 'apology' on their blog that nobody reads.

[Meowjin]

Just came back from Vegas 8 brown guys and had no trouble at the clubs.

Surrey is well known in vegas. Believe me.

[Manic!]

Surrey is well known in vegas. Believe me.

The only color Vegas understands is green.

[bengy]

I was at Venue on Saturday. There was a group of EIs there harrasing the gogo dancers and acting like douchebags. Got kicked out eventually, think they might have started a fight with someone, possibly a bouncer? Went to McDick's after and 2 of them came in, then the cops and the bouncers from Venue. EIs got arrested. LOL What a surprise. No Big Mac for you brown boiiiiiii!

Problem, m!chael? :troll:

[will068]

Just came back from Vegas 8 brown guys and had no trouble at the clubs.


Young EI males do not have a negative rep in the states like they do in Van.

The attitude, being loud braggarts, and the drug dealer persona racial stereotypes that is placed on young EI males here are absent down south.

You're likely more to be stereotyped as a professional in the medical field, computer scientist, or engineer from Silicon Valley. :whistle:

[Meowjin]

The only color Vegas understands is green.

true, but then again in vegas you can't fuck around because there is a bouncer for like every 10 patrons.

[Manic!]

true, but then again in vegas you can't fuck around because there is a bouncer for like every 10 patrons.

Bouncers in Vegas are true professionals not like some of the juice moneys you see locally.

[RiceIntegraRS]

just a question, when you grease the bouncer, he keeps the money or the club takes it?

The only club ive been to where you dont have to pay cover when u grease the bouncer is Cellar and Vanilla Room. Most of the other places u still have to pay cover. And shit places like Republic, greasing the bouncer only gets u to the front of the line, and u still have to wait.

When i went to a bunch of clubs in TO, they just let me in when i greased.

[Blue_StreakR]

Young EI males do not have a negative rep in the states like they do in Van.

The attitude, being loud braggarts, and the drug dealer persona racial stereotypes that is placed on young EI males here are absent down south.

You're likely more to be stereotyped as a professional in the medical field, computer scientist, or engineer from Silicon Valley. :whistle:

Thats because once they cross the border East Indians become Mexicans

[Culverin]

I don't know about that. Mexicans down south have the stigma of being useless, lazy and taking all the jobs. East indians here don't have that at all. If nothing else, their rep is similar to FOB kids, except the parents live here, have less money and let their kids run wild, thus the rowdiness.

[Death2Theft]

How do lazy mexicans steal all the jobs? :speechless:

[asahai69]

im sure there would be alot more complaints filed if it wasnt such a pain in the ass to do so.

[Blue_StreakR]

I don't know about that. Mexicans down south have the stigma of being useless, lazy and taking all the jobs. East indians here don't have that at all. If nothing else, their rep is similar to FOB kids, except the parents live here, have less money and let their kids run wild, thus the rowdiness.

Depending on where you go in the states, a lot of places assume east indians are mexican.

[Death2Theft]

Hence the joke in harold and kumar.

[Munny]

The email looks like bullshit imo. I can't imagine any company rep saying anything like that.

Email sounds totally plausible to me. I wouldn't bet on "VIP Hosts", "Bar Managers" or bouncers being the brightest kids in their class.

Being a minority, I've never experienced this first hand. I can see why bar manager's do this because they want a safe night with no problems/hassle. Calling upon the power of the stereotype, it's deduced that young Punjabi men are the cause of it, therefore they will try their best to deny or control the numbers.

Bad apples exist everywhere, but you can't paint the same brush on everyone (even though it's easy). Are all Chinese people bad drivers? Are all Caucasian priests child molesters? Do all Black people like fried chicke... nevermind.

Anyways, after years of research, I think the easiest way to find out who is going to be a drunk troublemaking d-bag versus a guy simply looking to have a good night is testing their linguistic skills. I'm sure everyone knows what I mean and using linguistics to find out who the Surrey Jack is and who the random brown guy is.

I should patent this incredibly revolutionary technique.

[PoppaLarge]

The email looks like bullshit imo. I can't imagine any company rep saying anything like that.

This thread was brought to my attention and that email actually happened, the names of my bro in law and sister are both on that list and they told me about the email exchange after it happened, the exchange was mistakenly cc'd to the recipient. The one who sent in the guestlist was pretty pissed about having to send in names and ages in the first place since he is a professional person and it seems to be a slap in the face to be profiled that way.

From an owners stand point, I can see that if a certain group continually caused problems at the club it will not only give them problems of protecting staff and patrons it will also ruin the reputation of the establishment. That said, there is no douche bag device to weed out trouble makers (even though that's what I thought bar watch was for) so for doormen and management it's easy to exclude indo canadians from clubs or limit their numbers in order to keep trouble away. However, it is definitely frustrating and illegal when you are labelled and treated unfairly before you even enter due to your ethnicity.

In the end I can see this group get a slap on the wrist but will it change their policies? I dont think so, they can just go back to what they've always done before some employees so blatantly made the racial profiling remarks.

[HurricaneGame]

Email sounds totally plausible to me. I wouldn't bet on "VIP Hosts", "Bar Managers" or bouncers being the brightest kids in their class.

Being a minority, I've never experienced this first hand. I can see why bar manager's do this because they want a safe night with no problems/hassle. Calling upon the power of the stereotype, it's deduced that young Punjabi men are the cause of it, therefore they will try their best to deny or control the numbers.

Bad apples exist everywhere, but you can't paint the same brush on everyone (even though it's easy). Are all Chinese people bad drivers? Are all Caucasian priests child molesters? Do all Black people like fried chicke... nevermind.

Anyways, after years of research, I think the easiest way to find out who is going to be a drunk troublemaking d-bag versus a guy simply looking to have a good night is testing their linguistic skills. I'm sure everyone knows what I mean and using linguistics to find out who the Surrey Jack is and who the random brown guy is.

I should patent this incredibly revolutionary technique.
You could not have said that any better. Problem is bouncers don't want to have that quick 30 second conversation with any of the East Indians they do encounter..

Simple Question: Hey guys how's your night going so far?

Response 1: Hey, not bad just thought me and a couple friends would go out after some drinks at the pub.

Response 2: Fucking uh.... it's been preety good and shit.

I wan't to say 9/10 letting in the guy who said response 1 would be a good choice..

[Sid Vicious]

yoooo buddyy fucking goof

[parm104]

Buddyyyy, I know peopleeee....Ya say swearrrrrr, fucking you knowwww....I know people buddy.

[Soundy]

^I didn't realize Bradford Chow was a brown guy! :noob:

[freelunch]

http://www.zootpatrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/road_house2.jpg

Best bouncer ever
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[El Bastardo]

The attitude, being loud braggarts, and the drug dealer persona racial stereotypes that is placed on young EI males here are absent down south.



I believe they call that "The Bindy Johal Effect"

[Drow]

Depending on where you go in the states, a lot of places assume east indians are mexican.

ahahHAHAHAHA
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