Harper Comic - If you're voting conservative, find out what you're voting for

[dutch]

Source: http://compellingcomics.justsomeguy....11/Canada.html

[Hondaracer]

Vote Conservative!

[m!chael]

This comic insults my intelligence. I want my 2 minutes back.

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by m!chael

This comic insults my intelligence. I want my 2 minutes back.

This comic made me angry for so many reasons. Its clearly written by some patcholi-smelling, hemp-wearing, unwashed hippie who feels that we can resolve our economic problems by holding hands and strumming ukeleles.

I'd rather club a baby seal to death with a burning tire than to read something like this again. Fuck you, Michael Nabert.


Edit: Thought so

http://www.facebook.com/people/Micha...ert/1106208090


Edit #2:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-nabert/1a/b8a/576


Front Line at Greenpeace

[dutch]

Why not try discuss some of the points he makes instead of attacking the author?

BTW if you click through to the source, he's got source articles to back everything up.

Explain why you agree or disagree.

[murd0c]

Originally Posted by dutch

Why not try discuss some of the points he makes instead of attacking the author?

BTW if you click through to the source, he's got source articles to back everything up.

Explain why you agree or disagree.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by dutch

Why not try discuss some of the points he makes instead of attacking the author?

BTW if you click through to the source, he's got source articles to back everything up.

Explain why you agree or disagree.

its because most conservative supporters are hillbillies from the valley that can't even begin to understand what they're supporting

the intelligent minority of conservatives plays on that and hopes the dumb minority doesnt grow a brain

so all they do is make fun of and attack the characters of anyone who speaks out against the cons and the dumb ones see that and go "well the smarty pants think its retarded so we will too hyuk! hyuk!"

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Tachycardia!

I'd rather club a baby seal to death with a burning tire than to read something like this again.

Epic

[Teriyaki]

TL;DR

[MindBomber]

As someone who sides with the socially liberal political parties and disagrees with just about everything Steven Harper has ever done as Prime Minister, this cartoon both insults my intelligence and further degrades an argument that has already been dumbed down to ten word or less campaign slogans.

There are lots of reasons not to vote conservative, but lets discuss them in an adult and intellectual way. Debate the issues like adults, improvement all our understanding them, then maybe we'll all be more informed as voters.

[illicitstylz]

[El Bastardo]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

its because most conservative supporters are hillbillies from the valley that can't even begin to understand what they're supporting

the intelligent minority of conservatives plays on that and hopes the dumb minority doesnt grow a brain

so all they do is make fun of and attack the characters of anyone who speaks out against the cons and the dumb ones see that and go "well the smarty pants think its retarded so we will too hyuk! hyuk!"

Right now we're in an economic climate where we need to prioritize where we focus our attention. Instead of throwing money at environmental concerns we need to focus on getting ourselves in a position where we can come out financially stable.

We're currently being picked apart by utilities corporations who have to make up their bottom line. By reducing their tax rate the government empowers them to stabilize their prices and that, in turn, impacts our wallets.

When we see corps lower their operating costs that promotes new businesses to open. In turn, it creates jobs and, reciprocally, taxpayers.

Also, reducing the budget on some social programs helps us. Lowering spending means more money being allocated to reducing our national debt. If you want to have a secure future, aim for a Canada that isn't mired in taxes, not a Canada that has sustainable green space our homeless children can live in.

The author of that comic skims over those points, instead believing that we'll invent some sort of magic machine or something that will fix our financial problems. We can't reduce our debt by simply printing more money. Germany tried that and look what that led to. (A charismatic, mustacheo'd leader who came to power in the late 1930s by exploiting people's anger over their financial quagmire)

He also complains about our role in Afghanistan and how we turned over prisoners to a local government who violated the Geneva convention. While the loss of human life is indeed tragic we can't be held responsible for the actions of a foreign power who we're trying to help.

The comic complains about the G20 summit. Well, actually, he complains about the backlash against protesters. He uses buzzwords like "threats of gang rape" and "mass arrests" to make his point pop. At no point does he acknowledge that the protesters actions were what led to police action.

I think this guy seems to believe that the government is an all-powerful, villainous and faceless figure that oppresses us at every turn. He, at no point, talks about people being accountable for their own actions.

Things like "infant mortality rates", "cost of crime bills" and "children living in poverty" are thrown in there to create a sense of panic, but he makes no reference to the Conservative government being directly responsible for this. The comic is carefully constructed to bring our outrage to an apex and slip those points in there as fuel to our fire.



That comic is nothing but propaganda. Its disgusting.


I'm no Harper-apologist. Believe me, I'm no fan of him. I think hes the wrong leader for the party. I just think that Michael Nabert is an idiot.

[StylinRed]

^^^ like i said the smart ones pick apart the speakers

i don't like that author as well

and i actually like the idea of lowering corporate taxes etc but i dont like the idea of taking a US outlook on crime of just throwing ppl in jail and forgetting rehabilitation (it doesnt work, the US is the example of that)

nor do i like the healthcare view of the cons


but what i cant stand above all that is harper



as for the comic, i think its constructed in a way that the said "hillbillies" can understand, sometimes you need an "extreme" to get the other side to take a look and once they take notice (the goal is to get them to take notice) then they may actually find out the "truth"

wow... i think i just explained terrorism too with that... eerie...

[taylor192]

I stopped reading at the deficit/surplus frame. Anything that biased will only get worse.

Deficits are run during recessions. Thus it is no surprise that 2006 was a surplus, the economy was doing very well. Likewise Harper didn't run a deficit until the recession, and opposition, required it. Now he wants to reduce the deficit more than any other party.

The 1993 deficit reference is especially fun. Harper ran a platform of cuts as a Reform member, which surprise surprise, Chretien and the Liberals brought in similar cuts 3 years later - yet everyone loves the Liberals when the propose cuts, and hates the Conservatives when they propose the same.

Its a cute cartoon, yet its a cartoon.

[MindBomber]

Originally Posted by Tachycardia!

Right now we're in an economic climate where we need to prioritize where we focus our attention. Instead of throwing money at environmental concerns we need to focus on getting ourselves in a position where we can come out financially stable.

Although I agree with your point that in this economic climate fiscal conservatism is a priority, I don't believe there's a time where we can responsibly not consider the environment a priority. Any relaxation of environmental regulations made now will open the door for long term and potentially harmful industries to be developed, and although those industries may hold the promise of jobs in both the long and short term there are other more responsible options available. The weakening of federal off-shore drilling laws by Steven Harper are an example of this, although it holds the promise of bringing jobs to an area of the country with massive unemployment rates, at what cost?

Why not offer tax incentives for green industries to stimulate development in a sector that will continue to grow for many years to come, that would both create jobs and position Canada as a leader in a relatively new industry. Germany is an excellent example of just how beneficial developing green industries can be.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by StylinRed

... i dont like the idea of taking a US outlook on crime of just throwing ppl in jail and forgetting rehabilitation (it doesnt work, the US is the example of that)

Ahh, gotta love either/or politics - always gotta be one extreme or the other, no room for a middle ground, or for that matter, the common sense to apply a middle ground.

Sure, you can't just throw everyone in jail and let them rot, but at the same time, you have to realize and accept that NOT everyone can be rehabilitated either... sometimes you DO have to just leave someone in there for the safety of everyone else.

[Ronin]

[m!chael]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

Although I agree with your point that in this economic climate fiscal conservatism is a priority, I don't believe there's a time where we can responsibly not consider the environment a priority. Any relaxation of environmental regulations made now will open the door for long term and potentially harmful industries to be developed, and although those industries may hold the promise of jobs in both the long and short term there are other more responsible options available. The weakening of federal off-shore drilling laws by Steven Harper are an example of this, although it holds the promise of bringing jobs to an area of the country with massive unemployment rates, at what cost?

Why not offer tax incentives for green industries to stimulate development in a sector that will continue to grow for many years to come, that would both create jobs and position Canada as a leader in a relatively new industry. Germany is an excellent example of just how beneficial developing green industries can be.

The private sector needs to get its shit together and start investing in green technology by itself. A lot of companies are starting up already with the mandate of developing green technology but we need to encourage it more as a society. We need more classes in the post secondary level that can broaden people's views before they enter the work place.

Plus real talk, the second the government gets involved in something it almost always fucks up terribly lol

[taylor192]

Originally Posted by MindBomber

Why not offer tax incentives for green industries to stimulate development in a sector that will continue to grow for many years to come, that would both create jobs and position Canada as a leader in a relatively new industry.

Look at Ontario, any tax incentives have to be paid for somehow. Ontario has a multi billion dollar push for green energy, which is being reflected in utility bills rising 25% already.

Oh, I should be more clear - green products are never financially feasible without subsidies, not tax incentives. Subsidies have to be paid for by the tax payer.

Yet lets be honest - being "green" is a luxury of the wealthy. Being green costs more, so its great when times are good, yet the last thing people think of when times are bad - thus why in the last 2 years most of the world has forgotten about being green.

[Meowjin]

Conservative rhetoric works on the lowest level of intellectual Canadians out there.

I have yet to hear anyone who's told me "I don't trust Ignatieff" tell my a legitimate reason why.

The guy is educated, world travelled has taught at many of the top schools in the world and you are claiming he's not capable of running a country? Then you guys claim the economy is better and that Canada runs a deficit in a recession with the cons in power.

Well guess what. Remember the dot com crash?

Who was running the country then? Who was our minister of finance.

The conservative party is a bunch of crooks who use fear driven tactics, religious zealous to appeal to idiots and will sell out their own country to give reach around to corporations.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by MajinHurricane

I have yet to hear anyone who's told me "I don't trust Ignatieff" tell my a legitimate reason why.

You know... he talks a good game. I like that I haven't yet seen a single Liberal-made attack ad, and in fact, the only Liberal ad that comes immediately to mind is Ignatieff stating WHY he doesn't do attack ads. This is big, to me, because the one thing that absolutely drives me nuts and inspires me NOT to vote at all, is the attack ads. I don't care what YOU (the candidate/party) say you think your opponents are doing wrong... I don't need to be told why I shouldn't vote for the other guy... I want to know why I SHOULD vote for YOU.

The thing that bugs me about him is the very fact that he forced an election at this point in time... and doesn't appear to have done so for any reason other than wanting a shot at the big chair. He's been looking for a chance to do it ever since he took over the Liberal leadership, and has now done it despite an overwhelming feeling across the country that the public doesn't want OR need an election right now.

He's reported to have stated outright that they would shoot down ANY Conservative budget, without even looking at it... that to me smacks of someone who's just up for a power grab, and to hell with what's in the best interest of the country right now.

That's my sense of it, anyway... and that's why I don't fully trust him.

It's a bit of a non-issue under the Canadian system anyway, since we don't get to vote for the PM directly... theoretically, you're supposed to vote for the local MP that best represents you, regardless of who leads his party.

[Meowjin]

NO REASON?

yeah I guess contempt of parliament is no reason.

[Soundy]

Oh please, this isn't the first time Ignatieff has tried to force a no confidence motion through... it's just the first time he's has sufficient reason for it to be successful. The man is an opportunist.

Sad thing is, I suspect the pundits will be proven right, and this will lead to a Conservative majority.

[Nightwalker]

An opportunity can't be seized that isn't given.

[baggdis300]

so im going to assume majority of posters here are conservatives ?