[dutch]

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[Hondaracer]

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Vote Conservative!

[m!chael]

This comic insults my intelligence. I want my 2 minutes back.

[El Bastardo]

This comic insults my intelligence. I want my 2 minutes back.



This comic made me angry for so many reasons. Its clearly written by some patcholi-smelling, hemp-wearing, unwashed hippie who feels that we can resolve our economic problems by holding hands and strumming ukeleles.

I'd rather club a baby seal to death with a burning tire than to read something like this again. Fuck you, Michael Nabert.


Edit: Thought so

http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Nabert/1106208090
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/211453_1106208090_7371124_n.jpg

Edit #2:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-nabert/1a/b8a/576


Front Line at Greenpeace

[dutch]

Why not try discuss some of the points he makes instead of attacking the author?

BTW if you click through to the source, he's got source articles to back everything up.

Explain why you agree or disagree.

[murd0c]

Why not try discuss some of the points he makes instead of attacking the author?

BTW if you click through to the source, he's got source articles to back everything up.

Explain why you agree or disagree.

http://i51.tinypic.com/xbxzxk.jpg

[StylinRed]

Why not try discuss some of the points he makes instead of attacking the author?

BTW if you click through to the source, he's got source articles to back everything up.

Explain why you agree or disagree.

its because most conservative supporters are hillbillies from the valley that can't even begin to understand what they're supporting :)

the intelligent minority of conservatives plays on that and hopes the dumb minority doesnt grow a brain

so all they do is make fun of and attack the characters of anyone who speaks out against the cons and the dumb ones see that and go "well the smarty pants think its retarded so we will too hyuk! hyuk!"

[Soundy]

I'd rather club a baby seal to death with a burning tire than to read something like this again.

Epic :fullofwin:

[Teriyaki]

TL;DR

[MindBomber]

As someone who sides with the socially liberal political parties and disagrees with just about everything Steven Harper has ever done as Prime Minister, this cartoon both insults my intelligence and further degrades an argument that has already been dumbed down to ten word or less campaign slogans.

There are lots of reasons not to vote conservative, but lets discuss them in an adult and intellectual way. Debate the issues like adults, improvement all our understanding them, then maybe we'll all be more informed as voters.

[illicitstylz]

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3904/2jfg08h.gif

[El Bastardo]

its because most conservative supporters are hillbillies from the valley that can't even begin to understand what they're supporting :)

the intelligent minority of conservatives plays on that and hopes the dumb minority doesnt grow a brain

so all they do is make fun of and attack the characters of anyone who speaks out against the cons and the dumb ones see that and go "well the smarty pants think its retarded so we will too hyuk! hyuk!"


Right now we're in an economic climate where we need to prioritize where we focus our attention. Instead of throwing money at environmental concerns we need to focus on getting ourselves in a position where we can come out financially stable.

We're currently being picked apart by utilities corporations who have to make up their bottom line. By reducing their tax rate the government empowers them to stabilize their prices and that, in turn, impacts our wallets.

When we see corps lower their operating costs that promotes new businesses to open. In turn, it creates jobs and, reciprocally, taxpayers.

Also, reducing the budget on some social programs helps us. Lowering spending means more money being allocated to reducing our national debt. If you want to have a secure future, aim for a Canada that isn't mired in taxes, not a Canada that has sustainable green space our homeless children can live in.

The author of that comic skims over those points, instead believing that we'll invent some sort of magic machine or something that will fix our financial problems. We can't reduce our debt by simply printing more money. Germany tried that and look what that led to. (A charismatic, mustacheo'd leader who came to power in the late 1930s by exploiting people's anger over their financial quagmire)

He also complains about our role in Afghanistan and how we turned over prisoners to a local government who violated the Geneva convention. While the loss of human life is indeed tragic we can't be held responsible for the actions of a foreign power who we're trying to help.

The comic complains about the G20 summit. Well, actually, he complains about the backlash against protesters. He uses buzzwords like "threats of gang rape" and "mass arrests" to make his point pop. At no point does he acknowledge that the protesters actions were what led to police action.

I think this guy seems to believe that the government is an all-powerful, villainous and faceless figure that oppresses us at every turn. He, at no point, talks about people being accountable for their own actions.

Things like "infant mortality rates", "cost of crime bills" and "children living in poverty" are thrown in there to create a sense of panic, but he makes no reference to the Conservative government being directly responsible for this. The comic is carefully constructed to bring our outrage to an apex and slip those points in there as fuel to our fire.



That comic is nothing but propaganda. Its disgusting.


I'm no Harper-apologist. Believe me, I'm no fan of him. I think hes the wrong leader for the party. I just think that Michael Nabert is an idiot.

[StylinRed]

^^^ like i said the smart ones pick apart the speakers

i don't like that author as well

and i actually like the idea of lowering corporate taxes etc but i dont like the idea of taking a US outlook on crime of just throwing ppl in jail and forgetting rehabilitation (it doesnt work, the US is the example of that)

nor do i like the healthcare view of the cons


but what i cant stand above all that is harper



as for the comic, i think its constructed in a way that the said "hillbillies" can understand, sometimes you need an "extreme" to get the other side to take a look and once they take notice (the goal is to get them to take notice) then they may actually find out the "truth"

wow... i think i just explained terrorism too with that... eerie...

[taylor192]

I stopped reading at the deficit/surplus frame. Anything that biased will only get worse.

Deficits are run during recessions. Thus it is no surprise that 2006 was a surplus, the economy was doing very well. Likewise Harper didn't run a deficit until the recession, and opposition, required it. Now he wants to reduce the deficit more than any other party.

The 1993 deficit reference is especially fun. Harper ran a platform of cuts as a Reform member, which surprise surprise, Chretien and the Liberals brought in similar cuts 3 years later - yet everyone loves the Liberals when the propose cuts, and hates the Conservatives when they propose the same.

Its a cute cartoon, yet its a cartoon.

[MindBomber]

Right now we're in an economic climate where we need to prioritize where we focus our attention. Instead of throwing money at environmental concerns we need to focus on getting ourselves in a position where we can come out financially stable.

Although I agree with your point that in this economic climate fiscal conservatism is a priority, I don't believe there's a time where we can responsibly not consider the environment a priority. Any relaxation of environmental regulations made now will open the door for long term and potentially harmful industries to be developed, and although those industries may hold the promise of jobs in both the long and short term there are other more responsible options available. The weakening of federal off-shore drilling laws by Steven Harper are an example of this, although it holds the promise of bringing jobs to an area of the country with massive unemployment rates, at what cost?

Why not offer tax incentives for green industries to stimulate development in a sector that will continue to grow for many years to come, that would both create jobs and position Canada as a leader in a relatively new industry. Germany is an excellent example of just how beneficial developing green industries can be.

[Soundy]

... i dont like the idea of taking a US outlook on crime of just throwing ppl in jail and forgetting rehabilitation (it doesnt work, the US is the example of that)
Ahh, gotta love either/or politics - always gotta be one extreme or the other, no room for a middle ground, or for that matter, the common sense to apply a middle ground.

Sure, you can't just throw everyone in jail and let them rot, but at the same time, you have to realize and accept that NOT everyone can be rehabilitated either... sometimes you DO have to just leave someone in there for the safety of everyone else.

[Ronin]

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/omara86/whatwhat.gif

[m!chael]

Although I agree with your point that in this economic climate fiscal conservatism is a priority, I don't believe there's a time where we can responsibly not consider the environment a priority. Any relaxation of environmental regulations made now will open the door for long term and potentially harmful industries to be developed, and although those industries may hold the promise of jobs in both the long and short term there are other more responsible options available. The weakening of federal off-shore drilling laws by Steven Harper are an example of this, although it holds the promise of bringing jobs to an area of the country with massive unemployment rates, at what cost?

Why not offer tax incentives for green industries to stimulate development in a sector that will continue to grow for many years to come, that would both create jobs and position Canada as a leader in a relatively new industry. Germany is an excellent example of just how beneficial developing green industries can be.


The private sector needs to get its shit together and start investing in green technology by itself. A lot of companies are starting up already with the mandate of developing green technology but we need to encourage it more as a society. We need more classes in the post secondary level that can broaden people's views before they enter the work place.

Plus real talk, the second the government gets involved in something it almost always fucks up terribly lol

[taylor192]

Why not offer tax incentives for green industries to stimulate development in a sector that will continue to grow for many years to come, that would both create jobs and position Canada as a leader in a relatively new industry.
Look at Ontario, any tax incentives have to be paid for somehow. Ontario has a multi billion dollar push for green energy, which is being reflected in utility bills rising 25% already.

Oh, I should be more clear - green products are never financially feasible without subsidies, not tax incentives. Subsidies have to be paid for by the tax payer.

Yet lets be honest - being "green" is a luxury of the wealthy. Being green costs more, so its great when times are good, yet the last thing people think of when times are bad - thus why in the last 2 years most of the world has forgotten about being green.

[Meowjin]

Conservative rhetoric works on the lowest level of intellectual Canadians out there.

I have yet to hear anyone who's told me "I don't trust Ignatieff" tell my a legitimate reason why.

The guy is educated, world travelled has taught at many of the top schools in the world and you are claiming he's not capable of running a country? Then you guys claim the economy is better and that Canada runs a deficit in a recession with the cons in power.

Well guess what. Remember the dot com crash?

Who was running the country then? Who was our minister of finance.

The conservative party is a bunch of crooks who use fear driven tactics, religious zealous to appeal to idiots and will sell out their own country to give reach around to corporations.

[Soundy]

I have yet to hear anyone who's told me "I don't trust Ignatieff" tell my a legitimate reason why.

You know... he talks a good game. I like that I haven't yet seen a single Liberal-made attack ad, and in fact, the only Liberal ad that comes immediately to mind is Ignatieff stating WHY he doesn't do attack ads. This is big, to me, because the one thing that absolutely drives me nuts and inspires me NOT to vote at all, is the attack ads. I don't care what YOU (the candidate/party) say you think your opponents are doing wrong... I don't need to be told why I shouldn't vote for the other guy... I want to know why I SHOULD vote for YOU.

The thing that bugs me about him is the very fact that he forced an election at this point in time... and doesn't appear to have done so for any reason other than wanting a shot at the big chair. He's been looking for a chance to do it ever since he took over the Liberal leadership, and has now done it despite an overwhelming feeling across the country that the public doesn't want OR need an election right now.

He's reported to have stated outright that they would shoot down ANY Conservative budget, without even looking at it... that to me smacks of someone who's just up for a power grab, and to hell with what's in the best interest of the country right now.

That's my sense of it, anyway... and that's why I don't fully trust him.

It's a bit of a non-issue under the Canadian system anyway, since we don't get to vote for the PM directly... theoretically, you're supposed to vote for the local MP that best represents you, regardless of who leads his party.

[Meowjin]

NO REASON?

yeah I guess contempt of parliament is no reason.

[Soundy]

Oh please, this isn't the first time Ignatieff has tried to force a no confidence motion through... it's just the first time he's has sufficient reason for it to be successful. The man is an opportunist.

Sad thing is, I suspect the pundits will be proven right, and this will lead to a Conservative majority.

[Nightwalker]

An opportunity can't be seized that isn't given.

[baggdis300]

so im going to assume majority of posters here are conservatives ?

[Manic!]

Oh please, this isn't the first time Ignatieff has tried to force a no confidence motion through... it's just the first time he's has sufficient reason for it to be successful. The man is an opportunist.



And you think Harpers any different?

[Soundy]

so im going to assume majority of posters here are conservatives ?
Never assume anything.

Especially, never assume that a given party's name is in any way representative of their politics, especially not in Canadian politics, and especially not these days.

[taylor192]

The conservative party is a bunch of crooks who use fear driven tactics, religious zealous to appeal to idiots and will sell out their own country to give reach around to corporations.

I'd rather corporations get $$$ that Liberal friends and government workers.

If Iggy was campaigning on what made Chretien great I'd vote Liberal. Yet these Liberals are not those Liberals and Iggy is not Chretien.

All that aside, Harper has been very good at keeping the religious nutcases out of the way. 5 years and what religious stupidity has occurred?

[Meowjin]

I'm done with you taylor. You seem to ignore any rhetoric from the previous threads and spout out stupidity. I'm going to assume you work for a corp, so your level of selfeshness fits in with the conservative politics.
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Bagdis: don't let revscene distort your perception. This site is mostly asian. Most are voting conservative, just because a chinese canadian is running In their distric. The cons are trying to pull this off in vancouver south. But I hope they reelect dosanjh because the guy really does care abour his communnity.

[Meowjin]

And you think Harpers any different?

It doesn't matter what harper did in 04 or that he prorogued parliament twice. All that matters is ignatieff wants to raise taxes and raise hitler from the grave and the streets will run rampent with blood

:rolleyes:
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[drunkrussian]

comics are short and funny. this is neither. this is a propoganda
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[Soundy]

blah blah blah blah blah blah. You seem to ignore any rhetoric from the previous threads blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

So you're saying you DON'T ignore rhetoric? You buy into it? Maybe even spread it?

:speechless:

[MG1]

I don't like discussing politics, but one thing is for sure ---

Igwhatshisnuts creeps me out. So does Harper, mind you, as he looks like a child molester, but this Iggy dude is like just wrong. Sometimes, you walk into a room and get negative vibes from a certain individual. Iggy gives me wrong vibes through the god damn television. I don't know what it is..... maybe it's his eyebrows, LOL.

[m!chael]

I'm done with you taylor. You seem to ignore any rhetoric from the previous threads and spout out stupidity. I'm going to assume you work for a corp, so your level of selfeshness fits in with the conservative politics.
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Bagdis: don't let revscene distort your perception. This site is mostly asian. Most are voting conservative, just because a chinese canadian is running In their distric. The cons are trying to pull this off in vancouver south. But I hope they reelect dosanjh because the guy really does care abour his communnity.

http://erbsegoesmmo.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/full_retard.jpg

Alice Wong (c) beat Raymond Chan (l) in the Richmond riding in the previous election. Both are Asian.

[carisear]

Bagdis: don't let revscene distort your perception. This site is mostly asian. Most are voting conservative, just because a chinese canadian is running In their distric. The cons are trying to pull this off in vancouver south. But I hope they reelect dosanjh because the guy really does care abour his communnity.


... there are so many things wrong in this one statement, it's actually quite impressive how you did that.

[Soundy]

... there are so many things wrong in this one statement, it's actually quite impressive how you did that.

Takes lots of practice.

[Ikkaku]

Alice Wong (c) beat Raymond Chan (l) in the Richmond riding in the previous election. Both are Asian.

And don't forget Joe Peschisolido (if you couldn't get the hint from his surname, he's NOT chinese) also beat Raymond Chan after his many years of reign.

However, he is a bad example since that guy jumped ships not too long after, but the fact remains the same, a non-chinese beat a chinese person in Richmond.

[baggdis300]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/pittsky/michaelignatieff.jpg


notice any similarities between a dictator and iggy?

[taylor192]

I'm done with you taylor. You seem to ignore any rhetoric from the previous threads and spout out stupidity. I'm going to assume you work for a corp, so your level of selfeshness fits in with the conservative politics.
Hopefully you are done. I have responded to almost all your rhetoric with facts about all the parties, which you cannot dispute except to turn to the "moral" argument without realizing the corruption of the Liberal party is what landed the Conservatives a minority in the first place - yet that's another fact you can chose to ignore, yet please keep your BS to yourself.

[MG1]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa214/pittsky/michaelignatieff.jpg


notice any similarities between a dictator and iggy?

Jeeeezuz, man, where the hell do you even find creepy pics like that?


You scare me..............


just kidding

[baggdis300]

lol, it was stolen from another forum i frequent..

[MindBomber]

You know... he talks a good game. I like that I haven't yet seen a single Liberal-made attack ad, and in fact, the only Liberal ad that comes immediately to mind is Ignatieff stating WHY he doesn't do attack ads. This is big, to me, because the one thing that absolutely drives me nuts and inspires me NOT to vote at all, is the attack ads. I don't care what YOU (the candidate/party) say you think your opponents are doing wrong... I don't need to be told why I shouldn't vote for the other guy... I want to know why I SHOULD vote for YOU.

I've also noticed that the only attack ads I've seen this election are those released by the Americans, whoops I mean Conservatives, and that's significantly improved my opinion of Ignatieff. The several month long pre-election conservative campaign financed by the conservative party itself as attack ads, and using tax payer dollars to finance a series of commercials to talk up Harper is a bit of a sore spot for me. It's as if they were preparing for the upcoming election, trying to lengthen the campaign process making our election similar to that of the Americans two year long campaigns.

Another two bits of Harper policy that I find especially disturbing is his desire to allow corporate campaign contributions, which could lead to an influx of lobbyists, and his changing of official government letterhead from "Government of Canada" to "Harper Government of Canada", last time I checked the conservatives didn't hold every seat in parliament.

[MindBomber]

You're correct, at least in part, green projects are never feasible in the short term without subsidies because of the requirement to invest and risk massive sums of money on developing the infrastructure necessary to support new industries. That's true with any major new industries though, the tabled conservative budget included plans to build a road from now-where to oil in the Arctic. I doubt an oil company would be willing to invest billions (I don't remember the actual figure) on building and maintaining a public road to facilitate year round trucking, and that may be enough for them to write-off a discovery as not being financially possible. Why should any less be expected of green industries, just because they're on the forefront of new technology doesn't mean they're in any way less entitled to subsidies.

I remember watching a program on the passionate eye about how Germany spent $50 million on building a solar panel production facility for a private company, small change to a government,but enough to attract the company and now Germany has become a world leader in solar panel technology. In the long term the investment will likely pay for itself through tax revenues directly linked to that company. Btw, the company they built the plant for is owned by a Canadian and was formerly based in Canada.

Look at Ontario, any tax incentives have to be paid for somehow. Ontario has a multi billion dollar push for green energy, which is being reflected in utility bills rising 25% already.

Oh, I should be more clear - green products are never financially feasible without subsidies, not tax incentives. Subsidies have to be paid for by the tax payer.

Yet lets be honest - being "green" is a luxury of the wealthy. Being green costs more, so its great when times are good, yet the last thing people think of when times are bad - thus why in the last 2 years most of the world has forgotten about being green.

[taylor192]

his changing of official government letterhead from "Government of Canada" to "Harper Government of Canada", last time I checked the conservatives didn't hold every seat in parliament.
Dude, you have no clue. My friend worked PR in the government, and then the Conservatives first took power she spent most of her time rebranding everything from red to blue.

I have a problem with this, since it is a waste of tax payer dollars, and Canada is red, not blue. I understand why it happens, since red is associated with the Liberals. Tax dollars should not be wasted on these measures - unfortunately every party does this. Have you seen the Christie Clark commercials? Same crap, wasting tax payer dollars advertizing party policies, yet from the provincial Liberal party.

Thus as bad as it sounds, I overlook this crap, cause sadly its politics, and every party is going to do it. :(

[taylor192]

You're correct, at least in part, green projects are never feasible in the short term without subsidies because of the requirement to invest and risk massive sums of money on developing the infrastructure necessary to support new industries. That's true with any major new industries though, the tabled conservative budget included plans to build a road from now-where to oil in the Arctic. I doubt an oil company would be willing to invest billions (I don't remember the actual figure) on building and maintaining a public road to facilitate year round trucking, and that may be enough for them to write-off a discovery as not being financially possible. Why should any less be expected of green industries, just because they're on the forefront of new technology doesn't mean they're in any way less entitled to subsidies.
I'm against any government subsidy. I wish the Conservatives were too, sadly they support subsidizing the oil sands. :(

Governments should not be picking winners and losers, the market should. No one entity can predict the future, government especially. Government should only intervene when citizens want it. Ie if we really want green energy, then we vote our tax dollars to pay for it.

[Gunsmokez]

I'm done with you taylor. You seem to ignore any rhetoric from the previous threads and spout out stupidity. I'm going to assume you work for a corp, so your level of selfeshness fits in with the conservative politics.
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Bagdis: don't let revscene distort your perception. This site is mostly asian. Most are voting conservative, just because a chinese canadian is running In their distric. The cons are trying to pull this off in vancouver south. But I hope they reelect dosanjh because the guy really does care abour his communnity.

Thanks for that bit of info. I was confused on who to vote for. But, since I'm asian I guess I should vote for the Conservative party.

[s300ae]

this is somewhat relevant

http://ezralevant.com/2011/04/the-cbc-isnt-a-news-company-an.html

[goo3]

so im going to assume majority of posters here are conservatives ?

Is it really that far fetched for you to consider that the majority here aren't emotionally attached to any of these parties, unlike some fanboys in this thread?

IMO, the role of the voter is like that of an employer or customer. Who's the best candidate for the job? Who's putting in the best bid for my vote? Justify why you should get the job. We ALL belong to Team Canada, right? OK apparently not.. :speechless:

First, to already have made up your mind before listening/reading what they have planned for the next 3-5 yrs is a waste of a vote. I swear some of you guys approach voting like you approach impulse buying candy: "I like this brand but not that one cuz I don't like the color."

Second, the two leading candidates are fairly highly educated and seem to take pride in the work they do, much like you or I. But according to the comic, I'm supposed to believe that Harper's a monster. Really? I don't know what to say.. Why are you even posting bullshit like this? Are you 2 yrs old?

[Ikkaku]

I've also noticed that the only attack ads I've seen this election are those released by the Americans, whoops I mean Conservatives, and that's significantly improved my opinion of Ignatieff. The several month long pre-election conservative campaign financed by the conservative party itself as attack ads, and using tax payer dollars to finance a series of commercials to talk up Harper is a bit of a sore spot for me. It's as if they were preparing for the upcoming election, trying to lengthen the campaign process making our election similar to that of the Americans two year long campaigns.


on fairchild (Chinese channel) all they air are liberal attack ads on conservatives, EVERY commercial break. Their political tv shows are all quite biased as well, they do give a pro-liberal vibe with the way they ask questions. During interviews and their radio shows they pretty much go rahrahhh liberal and sometimes prematurely cut off conservative supporters. How's that for freedom of speech?

[Soundy]

I remember watching a program on the passionate eye about how Germany spent $50 million on building a solar panel production facility for a private company, small change to a government,but enough to attract the company and now Germany has become a world leader in solar panel technology. In the long term the investment will likely pay for itself through tax revenues directly linked to that company. Btw, the company they built the plant for is owned by a Canadian and was formerly based in Canada.

Yeah, I think the important thing is to make WISE investments, rather than just throwing money at anything "green", as so many governments (and levels of government) seem to do.

[Manic!]

on fairchild (Chinese channel) all they air are liberal attack ads on conservatives, EVERY commercial break. Their political tv shows are all quite biased as well, they do give a pro-liberal vibe with the way they ask questions. During interviews and their radio shows they pretty much go rahrahhh liberal and sometimes prematurely cut off conservative supporters. How's that for freedom of speech?

Ad's are paid for and if the conservatives wanted they could place there own ads. freedom of speech? it's a privately owned company just like RS they than play what ever content they want. People get banned on here all the time for saying dumb stuff all the time.

[Ikkaku]

That was more of a response to mindbomber saying all he sees are conservative commercials, but it's true that tv and radio companies are private. However when you keep attacking a certain party on all their political programs, should they not be stopped? The purpose of the show is to show the pros and cons of the parties instead of a vocal slugfest, not to mention censorship regarding certain parties.
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Actually im just being overly optimistic with the world we have. Forget it.

[Manic!]

That was more of a response to mindbomber saying all he sees are conservative commercials, but it's true that tv and radio companies are private. However when you keep attacking a certain party on all their political programs, should they not be stopped? The purpose of the show is to show the pros and cons of the parties instead of a vocal slugfest, not to mention censorship regarding certain parties.
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Actually im just being overly optimistic with the world we have. Forget it.

http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Quebecor+straight+talk+conservative+hour+news+chan nel+launch/3156651/story.html

[Soundy]

That was more of a response to mindbomber saying all he sees are conservative commercials, but it's true that tv and radio companies are private. However when you keep attacking a certain party on all their political programs, should they not be stopped? The purpose of the show is to show the pros and cons of the parties instead of a vocal slugfest, not to mention censorship regarding certain parties.

Don't be silly. The purpose of any TV show is to draw ratings. A vocal slugfest is a great way to get those. There's no requirement for them to include or exclude anyone they don't think will aid that end.

[Manic!]

Yeah, I think the important thing is to make WISE investments.

If people in the government could make wise investments they would be working on Bay street or Wall street not the government.

[MindBomber]

Dude, you have no clue. My friend worked PR in the government, and then the Conservatives first took power she spent most of her time rebranding everything from red to blue.

I have a problem with this, since it is a waste of tax payer dollars, and Canada is red, not blue. I understand why it happens, since red is associated with the Liberals. Tax dollars should not be wasted on these measures - unfortunately every party does this. Have you seen the Christie Clark commercials? Same crap, wasting tax payer dollars advertizing party policies, yet from the provincial Liberal party.

Thus as bad as it sounds, I overlook this crap, cause sadly its politics, and every party is going to do it. :(

I understand that re-branding stationary and the odd commercial are not uncommon, that it's something that all governing parties have a history of doing, it just seems to me that the Conservatives have taken it much further than any other party. That being said, I'm relatively young and didn't follow politics during the liberal reign, so I may not have the most informed opinion in this instance.

I'm against any government subsidy. I wish the Conservatives were too, sadly they support subsidizing the oil sands. :(

Governments should not be picking winners and losers, the market should. No one entity can predict the future, government especially. Government should only intervene when citizens want it. Ie if we really want green energy, then we vote our tax dollars to pay for it.

I would be in even greater support of eliminating government subsidies all together than I would making green subsidies a priority, unfortunately eliminating subsidies altogether is completely impractical. Even if Canada didn't offer subsidies another country would, so they are necessary to stay competitive. In a global market without subsidies I believe that green technology would have progressed far further than it has.

on fairchild (Chinese channel) all they air are liberal attack ads on conservatives, EVERY commercial break. Their political tv shows are all quite biased as well, they do give a pro-liberal vibe with the way they ask questions. During interviews and their radio shows they pretty much go rahrahhh liberal and sometimes prematurely cut off conservative supporters. How's that for freedom of speech?

Whhhaaatttt!

Yeah, I think the important thing is to make WISE investments, rather than just throwing money at anything "green", as so many governments (and levels of government) seem to do.

Expecting the government to make wise investments might be a bit much, but I understand your point. There are proven and efficient green technologies available that would benefit Canadians, like recycling methane from dairy farms.

[ilvtofu]

This comic made me angry for so many reasons. Its clearly written by some patcholi-smelling, hemp-wearing, unwashed hippie who feels that we can resolve our economic problems by holding hands and strumming ukeleles.

I'd rather club a baby seal to death with a burning tire than to read something like this again. Fuck you, Michael Nabert.


Edit: Thought so

http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Nabert/1106208090
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/211453_1106208090_7371124_n.jpg

Edit #2:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-nabert/1a/b8a/576


Front Line at Greenpeace

Can't spell environmental without mental

[Nightwalker]

Well that's a pretty stupid game.

Can't spell conservative without con.