[Timpo]

I think most of you guys have seen this...the 485hp GT-R vs LFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5R-oi91bd4

and now, the updated 2012 530hp GT-R vs LFA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Tm2NYuw1Q

[shenmecar]

in jeremy clarkson's fashion:

POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Jegz]

LFA4LYF

[StylinRed]

lfa is so much sexier though



but everyone knows the GTR is a monster especially for its price

but when you consider things like that... then you may as well just get a Mustang

[Timpo]

lfa is so much sexier though



but everyone knows the GTR is a monster especially for its price

but when you consider things like that... then you may as well just get a Mustang

umm...WHY???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haBopTY_D98

[GabAlmighty]

Or, you know. A ZR1

[Berzerker]

Lets see Supersnake vs. GT-R 100mph to 200mph....

Berz out.

[CP.AR]

Forever a honda fanboy :alone:
the only thing they have pumped out these past few years is the damn HSV, which they refuse to put into production...

If Toyota can make the LFA sound like that and be street legal. I'm sure Honda can make a production HSV sound like it does in the race preped ones.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pko-aCOzJY&feature=related

[StylinRed]

umm...WHY???


because that's the old gt500 (as i understand it there's going to be a new one to make up for where it lacks due to the Mustang BOSS)

and like i said if you cared about cost to price performance the Mustang is the better bet

[optiblue]

bahahaha 10 years of toyota R&D beat down the 2009 GTR's, then Nissan comes along and just ups the power a little and then GG!

Can't beat Godzilla! This is so sad... it's like watching the end of Manual transmissions :(

[falcon]

On a side note.. I saw a maroon red LFA the other day on Granville/41st and man did it sound glorious when he took off out of the Chevron.

[Timpo]

because that's the old gt500 (as i understand it there's going to be a new one to make up for where it lacks due to the Mustang BOSS)

and like i said if you cared about cost to price performance the Mustang is the better bet

it doesn't matter...that's the Super Snake($30,000 modification on top of the GT500), it's still faster than the newest GT500.

[Timpo]

Or, you know. A ZR1

ZR1: $130,445-$144,695 (this is NSX territory!)
GT-R: $99,500

[StylinRed]

it doesn't matter...that's the Super Snake($30,000 modification on top of the GT500), it's still faster than the newest GT500.

The new BOSS does the 1/4mile in 11.7@117mph

The Super Snake does it in 11.16@128mph

pretty sure the new cobra will be insane (that's what we're hearing neway)



edit: nevermind the Boss video was misleading on it being stock.... its running on "drag slicks" -_-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

[Timpo]

yeah...the new GT500 will have 640hp with only 285 tires

I'm still curious to see the 1/4 mile and 0-60mph though

[dogeatcookie]

The new BOSS does the 1/4mile in 11.7@117mph

The Super Snake does it in 11.16@128mph

pretty sure the new cobra will be insane (that's what we're hearing neway)



edit: nevermind the Boss video was misleading on it being stock.... its running on "drag slicks" -_-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

The BOSS 302 is fucking amazing. The MT test car lapped Laguna Seca in 1:40.2 seconds, which is 0.6 faster than an Audi R8. There is a Laguna Seca package available for the car too, Ford claims it lowers the laptime to under 1:40. BOSS is BAWSSS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPl35-eQIls

[Timpo]

V6 vs GT vs 302 vs GT500

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RwK-knAv5E

[Volvo-brickster]

The new BOSS does the 1/4mile in 11.7@117mph

The Super Snake does it in 11.16@128mph


Love how it still has the dealership paperwork on the window

Customer : So how many miles ?

Sales guy: 6 babied miles...it was driven only by the general manager a few times :whistle:

[GabAlmighty]

Can't beat Godzilla! This is so sad... it's like watching the end of Manual transmissions :(

This.

[El Dumbasso]

ZR1: $130,445-$144,695 (this is NSX territory!)
GT-R: $99,500

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/dumbass/bearwhale.jpg

[Z3guy]

GTR and the LFA don't even compete in the same category.....the GTR is about numbers while the LFA is all about feel. Customers love the GTR because of the amazing performance numbers. The LFA is for customers that want a great driving experience with an emphasis on feel Vs all out performance #s...hence it is rwd and na.

[ilvtofu]

GTR and the LFA don't even compete in the same category.....the GTR is about numbers while the LFA is all about feel. Customers love the GTR because of the amazing performance numbers. The LFA is for customers that want a great driving experience with an emphasis on feel Vs all out performance #s...hence it is rwd and na.

this is timpo's world we're talking about here, feel/experience is a little too abstract for his mind to grasp, stats/specs cut to the chase and are easy to make sense of. It's sad how many people out there take a similar view on cars as timpo :(

[skylinergtr]

i agree that i feel like you get 90% of the car for a 1/4 of the price.

The GTR has the power, and the track ability.

Look at the top gear test track times:

1:19.7 - Nissan GT-R

1:22.8 - Lexus LFA (wet)

yes the LFA was done on a wet track, so i'll say they are more or less very similar.

Ofcourse I have not driven both of these vehicles so its hard to get a good opinion.

What i dearly love about the LFA is that beautiful exhaust note thanks to Yamaha's sound division.

[Z3guy]

i agree that i feel like you get 90% of the car for a 1/4 of the price.

.

I agree. However, that last 10% is sometimes worth the price

[dangonay]

We were talking about this the other day at work. We have several people who race regularly (and by race, I don't mean track or club days - I mean race as in dropping $20K for a weekend).

We were discussing the GT-R vs the ZR1 and how they were on the track. Two guys at work have had extensive track time in a GT-R and ZR1 (along with Z06 and various Porsche GT cars).

Bottom line: they agree that no car they have ever driven can pull harder or faster out of a corner than the GT-R. The combination of AWD and the electronic distribution of torque coupled with the dual clutch transmission pretty much guarantees this. They also feel that unless you're an extremely talented driver, you won't beat the GT-R at the track.

The ZR1, on the other hand, takes a lot of skill to drive on the track. So much power through the rear wheels requires constant inputs & adjustments from the driver. If you overstep the limits you will get bit in the ass. After a few laps in the ZR1 you'll feel like you've had a workout at the gym. The GT-R could be driven fast all day without breaking a sweat.

One comment I thought intersting was that the ZR1 is the modern day Porsche Turbo. All the qualities that made the original Turbo are also present in the ZR1. Blindingly fast, extremely visceral, scary as hell at the limits. While all other manufacturers are taming their cars with electronics (GT-R being the most extreme, but even Porsche is doing this), Chevy has made real man's sports car.

So the question is which one would they take if given the choice? The ZR1. The reason being that the GT-R is smoking fast, but boring. The car does a lot of the work for you. Even though the ZR1 is much harder to drive, it's more rewarding to the driver and provides a much higher level of excitement. If you turn in a fast lap in the GT-R you're like "of course I did, what did you expect". You turn in a fast lap in the ZR1 and you feel like you've accomplished something.


People who have a soul would pick something like a ZR1. People who only look at numbers would pick a GT-R.

[orange7]

They are both great cars.

I would love to track one of them once.

[nickmak]

love the sound of the LFA

[JoshuaWong]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/dumbass/bearwhale.jpg

How does it not make sense,
Acura NSX MSRP in 2005: $144,000 CAD before all tax and charges.

The price is in NSX territory back then, or nowadays R8 V8 territory.

[El Dumbasso]

How does it not make sense,
Acura NSX MSRP in 2005: $144,000 CAD before all tax and charges.

The price is in NSX territory back then, or nowadays R8 V8 territory.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v332/dumbass/suspenders.jpg

By that logic, the GTR is "in BMW 8 series territory", since it was $108,395 back in 1994. I still fail to see how any of this is relevant.

[DHPEM1]

Took Lexus 10 years to build a car that can only won GTR half a car distance :speechless:

$400,000 price tag you can buy how many GTR? Don't even mention you can already buy a Ferrari with some pocket change, too.

Pointless car in my pov, I just don't think Toyota have achive anything, ask for too much and too late becuase Nissan simply just pwned you! Let's see what Honda get to offer later........

[Z3guy]

Took Lexus 10 years to build a car that can only won GTR half a car distance :speechless:

$400,000 price tag you can buy how many GTR? Don't even mention you can already buy a Ferrari with some pocket change, too.

Pointless car in my pov, I just don't think Toyota have achive anything, ask for too much and too late becuase Nissan simply just pwned you! Let's see what Honda get to offer later........

are you clueless? the GTR was made for you!

[DHPEM1]

are you clueless? the GTR was made for you!

Personally, I dont like GTR, not my cup of tea! Just comparing the only 2 super cars from 2 different manufatories from Japan for now, thats all. Until Honda or Mazda can come up with their new toys that can make more sense in price and performance, LFA to me is a dirty dream of engineering and really stupid marketing long shot hoping now they car be up there with the big Euro boys........ :failed:

[Z3guy]

the LFA is really stupid? you really are demonstrating your lack of understanding of driving enjoyment....the LFA is not up there with the big boys, in most instances it is beyond the big boys......especially lambos

[DHPEM1]

the LFA is really stupid? you really are demonstrating your lack of understanding of driving enjoyment....the LFA is not up there with the big boys, in most instances it is beyond the big boys......especially lambos

Are you clueless? the LFA was made for you! You also TRYING to demonstrate you fully understand the driving enjoyment of the LFA, but the question is, did you even sat in one? I dont think so! I never said LFA itself is stupid, marketing, marketing, marketing! If the LFA can somewhat in the near price range or even a bit more than the GTR then that car make sense to not just me, to A LOT of people!

Why am I wasting my time responding some kid thought he drives a LFA in PS3 so he knows cars........ I love RS

[The_AK]

this is timpo's world we're talking about here, feel/experience is a little too abstract for his mind to grasp, stats/specs cut to the chase and are easy to make sense of. It's sad how many people out there take a similar view on cars as timpo :(

This^

In Timpo's world top speed either makes or breaks a car.

[Z3guy]

Are you clueless? the LFA was made for you! You also TRYING to demonstrate you fully understand the driving enjoyment of the LFA, but the question is, did you even sat in one? I dont think so! I never said LFA itself is stupid, marketing, marketing, marketing! If the LFA can somewhat in the near price range or even a bit more than the GTR then that car make sense to not just me, to A LOT of people!

Why am I wasting my time responding some kid thought he drives a LFA in PS3 so he knows cars........ I love RS

Thank you, I appreciate your compliment.

[baggdis300]

Took Lexus 10 years to build a car that can only won GTR half a car distance :speechless:

$400,000 price tag you can buy how many GTR? Don't even mention you can already buy a Ferrari with some pocket change, too.

Pointless car in my pov, I just don't think Toyota have achive anything, ask for too much and too late becuase Nissan simply just pwned you! Let's see what Honda get to offer later........

lol, you don't get it the LFA was built to showcase lexus's engineering abilities(pursuit to perfection) by making one of the worlds most advanced CF weaving machine JUST to make parts for the LFA...

its more about the actual car vs top speed

also any joe blow can buy a GT-R you can't buy a LFA....

even if you had the cash, they had to have a lottery.

[ImpactZ]

Took Lexus 10 years to build a car that can only won GTR half a car distance :speechless:

$400,000 price tag you can buy how many GTR? Don't even mention you can already buy a Ferrari with some pocket change, too.

Pointless car in my pov, I just don't think Toyota have achive anything, ask for too much and too late becuase Nissan simply just pwned you! Let's see what Honda get to offer later........

You're retarded.

You think that the GTR has such good engineering just because it is faster? Anyone can put turbos to make the car fast. The fact of the matter is that the LFA was built NA and still beat the GTR. I'd like to see your GTR without the turbos and see if it can even beat a civic.

I dont think you can ever achieve anything in live, so get off the boards.

[Timpo]

You're retarded.

You think that the GTR has such good engineering just because it is faster? Anyone can put turbos to make the car fast. The fact of the matter is that the LFA was built NA and still beat the GTR. I'd like to see your GTR without the turbos and see if it can even beat a civic.

I dont think you can ever achieve anything in live, so get off the boards.there's nothing wrong with turbo...so many cars are equipped with turbo or supercharger

Ferrari F40
Corvette ZR1
Ford GT
McLaren MP4-12C
Nissan GT-R
Porsche 911 Turbo
Saleen S7
Shelby GT500
Jaguar XJ220
Bugatti Veyron

and so on...

[DHPEM1]

You're retarded.

You think that the GTR has such good engineering just because it is faster? Anyone can put turbos to make the car fast. The fact of the matter is that the LFA was built NA and still beat the GTR. I'd like to see your GTR without the turbos and see if it can even beat a civic.

I dont think you can ever achieve anything in live, so get off the boards.


You noob, If I were the owner of Nissan and I want to showcase my engineering abilities of my GTR with a $400,000 price tag, the car will go much faster and prettier than what it is right now, (I hate the interior, sorry GTR fan boys) don't you get it? 9/10 magazine says the same thing. Fuck, I will throw in a F1 engine to shut your ass up if I have to if turbo bothers people like you so much........

Don't get me wrong, I don't like GTR, either, I love the LFA, I think its cooler, but I appreciate the overall performance and the affordability of the GTR better, it will change the standard of supercars in its level, hopefully near the same price range or even lower in the future. (Isn't this what car guys like us want, affordable sports car!?) But if Japanese car makers start pursuing their "engineering perfection" with a price tag like Ferrari or Lambo, in this case, EVEN MORE, what's the point? Wow, lots of carbon fibers, gauge cluster is like out of this world, but Just ask yourself, with this much of money, would you buy a Lexus or Ferrari/Lambo? If you want to bullshit us to go with the Lexus, your girlfriend will kill you first and you will never get laid again, I bet you with my top dollars!

Since when GTR is about top speed? Just because its turbo? Are you still in 80's? Yeh, even if you have the cash for a LFA you can't have it, wow! THAT'S BECAUSE each one they sold even with the $400,000 price tag they STILL lose money! (I did not made this up, it's fact!) They would be pretty stupid to make lots of them so they can lose more money in this economic, don't you think? I know they are trying to tell the world's exotic car makers "hey, guys, look at us, we don't just build cars for moms, dads and grannies, we can build fast car like you!" but end of the day, its a $400,000 Lexus, not $50,000, not even $100,000. People were complaining about NSX back in the days with $100,000 price tag already, but at least it's not insanely expensive, you just have to love it so much to paid for that kind of price in North America.

Yeh, yeh, it's not NA, its not fair, cry me a river Mary Jane! Like Timpo just listed, what's wrong with turbo? An engineering perfection vehicle can't be turbo? Just tell me why with some facts, or do you even have one? And since when you own this board you can start telling people to go off? You must be the worst fortune teller in this side of the planet simply because my life is much better than yours, wtf are you anyway? LFA fan boy, just because someone didn't float the same boat as you you gonna cry to the whole world telling them they suck? Wipe your pants and put on your diaper first son, internet thug wannabe is not welcome here, keep your crap in fight club.

Im done with this thread and all you bS fan boys who are still wearing diaper!

[Captain Bondo]

A shop like Titan or Underground Racing needs to come out with a twin turbo kit for the LFA, similar to the Gallardo kit. Being that it's a toyota, the stock bottom end is probably good for like 1500whp. lol.

LFA's are awesome. Makes the GTR look and sound like a base model altima. The ultimate goal of every car is not to produce an arbitrary number on an arbitrary test track. The LFA is wicked for what it is.

[SpuGen]

You noob, If I were the owner of Nissan and I want to showcase my engineering abilities of my GTR with a $400,000 price tag, the car will go much faster and prettier than what it is right now, (I hate the interior, sorry GTR fan boys) don't you get it? 9/10 magazine says the same thing. Fuck, I will throw in a F1 engine to shut your ass up if I have to if turbo bothers people like you so much........

http://www.cariii.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Nissan_R390_GT1,_1998.jpg

Oh wait, they never made it. Cause nobody would buy a Nissan that costs that much.

The LFA? Sold all of the ones for Japan in 2 months after announcing the price tag. Didn't take long to sell the rest of the LFAs around the world.

BTW. The Lease you're talking about, is only for 2 years. After the 2 Years, you have the option of buying the car.
It's non-transferrable to prevent people from flipping the car for more. Like the Enzo.

[Manic!]

even if you had the cash, they had to have a lottery.

And Paris Hilton was the winner.


reason right there not to buy an FLA.

[Timpo]

And Paris Hilton was the winner.


reason right there not to buy an FLA.
u mean LFA

[ImpactZ]

You noob, If I were the owner of Nissan and I want to showcase my engineering abilities of my GTR with a $400,000 price tag, the car will go much faster and prettier than what it is right now, (I hate the interior, sorry GTR fan boys) don't you get it? 9/10 magazine says the same thing. Fuck, I will throw in a F1 engine to shut your ass up if I have to if turbo bothers people like you so much........

Don't get me wrong, I don't like GTR, either, I love the LFA, I think its cooler, but I appreciate the overall performance and the affordability of the GTR better, it will change the standard of supercars in its level, hopefully near the same price range or even lower in the future. (Isn't this what car guys like us want, affordable sports car!?) But if Japanese car makers start pursuing their "engineering perfection" with a price tag like Ferrari or Lambo, in this case, EVEN MORE, what's the point? Wow, lots of carbon fibers, gauge cluster is like out of this world, but Just ask yourself, with this much of money, would you buy a Lexus or Ferrari/Lambo? If you want to bullshit us to go with the Lexus, your girlfriend will kill you first and you will never get laid again, I bet you with my top dollars!

Since when GTR is about top speed? Just because its turbo? Are you still in 80's? Yeh, even if you have the cash for a LFA you can't have it, wow! THAT'S BECAUSE each one they sold even with the $400,000 price tag they STILL lose money! (I did not made this up, it's fact!) They would be pretty stupid to make lots of them so they can lose more money in this economic, don't you think? I know they are trying to tell the world's exotic car makers "hey, guys, look at us, we don't just build cars for moms, dads and grannies, we can build fast car like you!" but end of the day, its a $400,000 Lexus, not $50,000, not even $100,000. People were complaining about NSX back in the days with $100,000 price tag already, but at least it's not insanely expensive, you just have to love it so much to paid for that kind of price in North America.

Yeh, yeh, it's not NA, its not fair, cry me a river Mary Jane! Like Timpo just listed, what's wrong with turbo? An engineering perfection vehicle can't be turbo? Just tell me why with some facts, or do you even have one? And since when you own this board you can start telling people to go off? You must be the worst fortune teller in this side of the planet simply because my life is much better than yours, wtf are you anyway? LFA fan boy, just because someone didn't float the same boat as you you gonna cry to the whole world telling them they suck? Wipe your pants and put on your diaper first son, internet thug wannabe is not welcome here, keep your crap in fight club.

Im done with this thread and all you bS fan boys who are still wearing diaper!

I stopped reading after your first paragraph.
you obviously do not know anything about cars. idiot.

[elkayem]

The LFA looks soooo much better in black. Like every other car would in black. LOLS

[Timpo]

The LFA looks soooo much better in black. Like every other car would in black. LOLS
some cars look better in white

[Timpo]

Lexus LFA Nurburgring Edition

http://fantasticars.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/lexus-lfa-nurburgring-noi-poze-si-detalii.jpg
http://www.autometropolist.com/images/2011/03/2012-Lexus-LFA-Nurburgring-Front-Angle.jpg
http://furiouscar.com/wp-content/uploads/Lexus-LFA-N%C3%BCrburgring-Package-Rear-Angle-View-580x386.jpg
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/2012-Lexus-LFA-Nurburgring-Edition-Studio-Side.jpg
http://www.thesupercars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/2012-Lexus-LFA-Nurburgring-Edition-Studio-Front-Angle.jpg
http://3automotive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Lexus-LFA-Nurburging-2011.jpg

[Cillu]

^That looks awesome.

[Timpo]

How does it not make sense,
Acura NSX MSRP in 2005: $144,000 CAD before all tax and charges.

The price is in NSX territory back then, or nowadays R8 V8 territory.

this

[JoshuaWong]

Took Lexus 10 years to build a car that can only won GTR half a car distance :speechless:

$400,000 price tag you can buy how many GTR? Don't even mention you can already buy a Ferrari with some pocket change, too.

Pointless car in my pov, I just don't think Toyota have achive anything, ask for too much and too late becuase Nissan simply just pwned you! Let's see what Honda get to offer later........

Performance car cant be judge by their price. Is Bugatti Veyron 10 times the car Nissan GT-R is? Of course not. Nothing works like that. By the way if you think only about price tag, the 2011 Corvette Z06 with Carbon Performance Package is only $95,965CAD where as the 2011 Nissan GT-R is $101,830CAD. Wheres you so call bang for buck now?

I don't think the LFA is pointless just because its slower and more expensive. That's simple thinking, was the Ferrari 348 pointless back in 1989 just because the NSX is faster and better in every way with a cheaper price tag?

Would you dare to say a 911 Turbo S or GT2 or GT3RS are pointless just because a sub $100,000 dollar cars like Z06 and GT-R can offer the same performance?

[Death2Theft]

So while we're still in Timpo's world..... nothing an aero dynamic bodykit wouldn't fix. :alone:
This^

In Timpo's world top speed either makes or breaks a car.