[wasabisashimi]

Exterior looks nice, but don't know how it drives vs other sports sedan like the MB E-class, 5 series, or lexus GS

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/02/09/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-v8-reveal-chicago-auto-show/


http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-front-angle-view.jpg

http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-rear-angle-view.jpg
http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-interior-view.jpg
http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-side-view.jpg

[n0ob]

Nice, but I'd MUCH rather have the coupe.

http://carsroute.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/custom-Hyundai-Genesis-Coupe-1.jpg

:fullofwin:

[jstn86]

i wouldn't buy it new.

i would wait and buy it used when it's half of its value (in about 2 years? trolololol)

[roastpuff]

I'm actually considering it as my next car. So much value in that car...

[donjalapeno]

whaat it looks slightly redesigned

[El Bastardo]

http://i.imgur.com/eG8eG.jpg

[GG]

no i will not buy a hyundai




:gun:

[StylinRed]

I think the Forte, Sonata, Genesis are great cars that will change the perception of kia/hyundai

but i don't think their image is still where it needs to be for them to be charging what they are (up to $50k for a Genesis...)

and I find it hilarious that they're even offering the Equus here... lol a $70k Hyundai?!


but maybe those that think like me are in the minority?

[skylinergtr]

no. personally I dont think i will own a hyundai.

I have recently drove a genesis 3.6 and thought it was dissapointing. The engine was loud and was idling at near 2000rpm? the interior was nice but no match for a lexus or european car.

The fact that they claim they can compete with a BMW 5 or 7-series is a joke.

If the price was lower (50k for a new one, 35k + for a used one), then i think it would be worth it.

[ilvtofu]

^+1

I think bottom line for me and many others is for that kind of money I'd rather have a car that drives nicely and might also be a lot smaller but at least it is satisfying to own/drive

Must say though it's all well and good if you've got no will to live :troll:

Nothing to do with it being a hyundai, you could say the same about the toyota avalon, just very undesirable cars with cheap plastic buttons and typically unusable space.

[roastpuff]

^+1

I think bottom line for me and many others is for that kind of money I'd rather have a car that drives nicely and might also be a lot smaller but at least it is satisfying to own/drive

Must say though it's all well and good if you've got no will to live :troll:

Nothing to do with it being a hyundai, you could say the same about the toyota avalon, just very undesirable cars with cheap plastic buttons and typically unusable space.

I'd say that the Hyundai is at least on par with recent Acuras... and much better in terms of driving dynamics than the equivalent Lexii.

Also, I'd take a Genesis over an Avalon any day. The Avalon is just.... *shudder*

[jstn86]

http://www.more-japan.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/genesis_sedan_vienna_zweel.jpg
http://www.hyundai-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/national1236698332.jpg

[wasabisashimi]

I'd say that the Hyundai is at least on par with recent Acuras... and much better in terms of driving dynamics than the equivalent Lexii.

Also, I'd take a Genesis over an Avalon any day. The Avalon is just.... *shudder*

Avalon is not a car, its like a van with 6 seats, who drives a car with 3 front passenger seating option. Its like a american passenger car built in the 90s

[Timpo]

i think the hyundai badge ruines it all...
i heard that hyundai is bringing up the brand called Genesis.

[GG]

no. personally I dont think i will own a hyundai.

I have recently drove a genesis 3.6 and thought it was dissapointing. The engine was loud and was idling at near 2000rpm? the interior was nice but no match for a lexus or european car.

The fact that they claim they can compete with a BMW 5 or 7-series is a joke.

If the price was lower (50k for a new one, 35k + for a used one), then i think it would be worth it.

In their dream, they can compete.



$50g i rather get ES350/GS350 (shelling out an extra $5g-10g is nth to pay for something thats actually worth the price tag + the name). G37 sedan/ M37 sedan (again if you can afford $50g, im sure it is not that hard to fiance/lease a $58g vehicle or whatever) And if i was really looking for a mid/large size sedan i wouldnt mind dropping $60g on a E/5 series

[!LittleDragon]

I'd buy it... then again, I'm a "fuck the establishment" type of person...

[- kT]

it's not the make, it's the car. i would've bought my genesis coupe regardless of who made it. hyundai, ford, suzuki, honda, whatever

http://www.grfxpstore.com/attached_files/2008/2414/appreciate_a_good_body_sticker_prv.gif?1295626251

[Fobman]

hyundai is definitely stepping up their games.
i would buy a hyundai now
before.. no

[Leopold Stotch]

depends on the hyundai, the sonata and genesis yes, but if i had 50g to buy a car, i wouldn't buy that.

[ae101]

after hyundai won car of the year for the 1st time are family been thinking about a looking to get one after the crash (but the car lives) as it was getting better & better (he even test drove one & liked it), i wouldn't mind getting one but with the price just so close to a bimmer or merc or lexus i would totally choose those over all

[s300ae]

At the end of the day you still spent 50k on a hyundai.


You simply cannot win an argument with that car. At the end of the day it's still a Hyundai.

IMO, rather go with something euro or jdm. Too me it looks like a compilation of parts from all luxury sedans superglued together. It's got that 'borrowed' look rather than being unique.




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[Bonka]

Too me it looks like a compilation of parts from all luxury sedans superglued together. It's got that 'borrowed' look rather than being unique.

Don't single out Hyundai. Many cars today have that "borrowed" look too.

[essel]

I don't think I'm ready to buy Hyundai's yet, esp for that price. Maybe in a couple years..

[s300ae]

Don't single out Hyundai. Many cars today have that "borrowed" look too.

Care to provide an example??
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[Alphamale]

Not sure how Lexus came about into the luxury market...but wouldn't it have probably battled the same problems as Hyundai is doing now by trying to enter the same market?

There's no way they're going to price their luxury sedan cheaper than "what it's worth". That is of course pending on the fact that it's worthiness is on par to the cars in the competition and automotive and consumer reviews.

[FRStan]

Avalon is not a car, its like a van with 6 seats, who drives a car with 3 front passenger seating option. Its like a american passenger car built in the 90s

Avalon is a car, it's not a van with 6 seats.
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/gallery/c452852a.jpg

[El Bastardo]

Not sure how Lexus came about into the luxury market...but wouldn't it have probably battled the same problems as Hyundai is doing now by trying to enter the same market?




Lexus didn't have 20+ years of bad build quality to contend with before they launched. Sure, Toyota didn't have the reputation for being an automotive powerhouse that they do now but they still built good cars.

Hyundai, however, doesn't have the brand strength to claim that this is a truly great car without proving itself first. Sure, I'd like them to succeed but it'll be a few years before I drop more than 10k on something Hyundai makes.

Hell, based on past experiences as a Hyundai owner I'd sooner drive a SsangYong

[GG]

werd


just because OMG they all of a sudden come up with some decent designs doesnt mean shit. Car manufactures dont turn from shit to god like overnight.

Any company can dress up the exterior and do some touch up here and there, borrow some design from others and call it a day. There is more depth to it than that.


At the end of the day, a hyundai is still a hyundai. Anyone with some intelligence will know dropping $50g + taxes on a kdm car is retarded.
And those who buys it....well...they are either korean or white folks. The end

[jmvdesign]

I'd rather buy a "Genesis" brand over a Hyundai. They should've used that "Genesis" brand and created a luxury division separately like what Lexus and Acura is. A majority of the market would perceive this separate branding them much differently.

[g_spyder91]

just because OMG they all of a sudden come up with some decent designs doesnt mean shit. Car manufactures dont turn from shit to god like overnight.


I wouldn't go as far as to say that they came up with designs, looks to me that they are just taking design ideas from all of the other major manufacturers and mashing them together to create "their own design"

Like the Equus, looks like they took a Maxima, S-class and Accord and mashed them together to come up with this.

[dark0821]

i dun really mind hyundai, even though i would never drop moeny on a new car (just not in that stage of my life yet, i am still hella poor lol), but in a few years, i wouldnt mind buying a 2nd hand gensis coupe, i think they came along way, and I think their cars are gettin better and better.

[jpark]

for $40-50k i wouldnt, but used for half the price? sure why not, the 4.6 v8 spanks more than half the cars on the street anyways, same goes for the 3.8...

plus the consumer target was aimed towards older folks, not tuner revsceners hence the mindset may be totally different, therefore asking this on revscene may not provide much? just my 0.02

anyways since someone uploaded a modified one...
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/nfsonata/genet-6.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/nfsonata/genet-7.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/nfsonata/genet-2.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/nfsonata/img_272558_11.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/nfsonata/img_272558_18.jpg
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad32/nfsonata/IMG_3843.jpg

[s300ae]

well jpark, you own a hyundai so your opinion could be a bit biased.

it might be faster than half the cars out there, but at the end of the day, in your driveway sits a 50k hyundai.

they should stick to doing what they are good at, making cheap economical cars. or better yet, make good quality small eco cars and then branch out into bigger sedans. seems like they are trying to hard to keep up with the luxury brands where instead should focus doing something they are good at.

[GG]

last time i checked, ANY car thats lowered with a set of expensive rims will look better than stock...HRE/Iforged/DPE/VOLK/ADVAN your point?




its still a kork car



he is korean and he owns a korean car


posting a genesis with rims does not gain any brownie points my friend



BTW faster dont mean shit


does anyone gives a damn if you see a 500whp EF civic? no not really, because ppl are gonna say its still a 20 years old piece of shit, and its a civic


And just for your information. GS350/E350 starts around $55-57g, id rather shell out an extra $10g and get a PROPER luxury car


Not some kimchi made overpriced guinness....i mean genesis

[jpark]

lol.... u mad or something dude? sounds like you're pissed off or something

[GG]

nah

i just think they are way ahead of themself, thinking with their new design they can sell to the general market with that price tag

I just checked lexus.ca

new 2011 GS350 starts $54g

premium package is only $4g more

ultra premium package is $8g more

Sure its not the V8 model, but id settle for a 300hp car thats quiet, reliable, great resale value and worth the price tag while sacrficing 100hp less with the beauty and stability of AWD

[jpark]

well swearing and saying the f word in every single sentence does make it seem like you are mad... unless thats how you talk regularly lol

but yeah, even i admitted in my post, i wouldnt even consider buying the genesis bran new if i had the money, much better choices out there. i know its a little outdated but for me personally id go for a g37s sedan

[GG]

my bad, i apologize for that


:)


I think if they set their MSRP a bit lower, it'd attract more people and make them hesitate in terms of best bang for the buck.


genesis coupe, fully loaded 2.0T or 3.8 either one fully loaded comes to around $32-38g depending which model.

For that money a lot of people would aim for GTi, WRX, Lancer Ralliart, or mazdaspeed 3

[s300ae]

anyways... so the overall conses is: NO, we would not buy this Hyundai. Thread solved.

[orange7]

if I had 30g, I would take a look at the genesis coupe 2.0T with the brembo brakes.

if I had 50g, I would not step into a hyundai dealership.

[orange7]

I think if they set their MSRP a bit lower, it'd attract more people and make them hesitate in terms of best bang for the buck.

genesis coupe, fully loaded 2.0T or 3.8 either one fully loaded comes to around $32-38g depending which model.



the best bang for the buck theory only applies to compact and mid sized cars.


when you go into the upper class, ppl generally don't care about best bang for the buck.

ex. ppl would buy lambo and porsche over gtr

[DHP 1]

^

ya but people refers GTR or maybe even ZR-1 as best bang for the buck theory because for that price, you can compete with exotics.


Hyundai tried to convince people with that..Eqqus or something like that which is $ 70-80 grand vehicle that it is the best bang for the buck full size luxury vehicle that can be just as good as LS/7/S class

[s300ae]

hmm interesting


http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/13/first-hyundai-genesis-coupe-crash-airbags-fail/


The Koreans have gotten their allocation of the new 2009 Hyundai Genesis Coupes and it seems like one customer felt his Genesis Coupe could push the limits a little more than he thought possible. Needless to say that he learned the hard way by crashing into the concrete base of a metal light pole.

As you can see from the images, the 2.0T Genesis Coupe you see here was the only car involved in the accident leading us to believe that the driver lost control and the Brembo brakes of the Genesis weren’t strong enough to slow him down.

What’s more interesting is that the airbags failed to deploy. You can see that the front driver side received the most damage. Wonder what Hyundai has to say about this.

[jstn86]

hmm interesting

http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/13/first-hyundai-genesis-coupe-crash-airbags-fail/

that's from 2008.

BTW, everyone knows this in Korea but the hyundai/kia that's being made and sold IN korea for korean customers are SHIT. Crappy standard options, built with crappy material and OVERPRICED.

there are many problems with their new hyundai/kia but the company does not take proper responsibilities.

as for hyundai/kia being sold overseas, i don't see a problem in getting them.

(and yes, i'm korean :D)

[Skyline350gt]

thats a damn good looking car

looks like a merc, murder it out put merc badges on and bitches will love i lmao

[Roach]

I guess I'm one of the few that has had a rare opportunity to take an extended test drive in some of the cars mentioned in this thread.

The Genesis 4.6 sedan is a very impressive car. Bank vault like sound deadening. Effortless power. Strong brakes and a sumptuous interior. It felt much more like an S-Class, 7 series competitor rather than an E or 5 competitor. Inevitably, if you drove the car and were shopping this market I can guarantee you would be hard-pressed to find a better car for the money. The $55k base model GS350 AWD feels downright underpowered and lacking in tech compared to the Genesis. Same with a $54k 528i.

Personally, I agree with whoever said that this isn't the forum to ask these types of questions as this isn't the target market for the this vehicle. However, that being said, there is a lot of ignorance and image-consciousness going against the Hyundai from the few strong responders I have read here.

As a car enthusiast, I prefer to choose my cars based on their inherent qualities as opposed to how others would view me or my decisions.

I look at those people concerned about image as being the sheep. If something is good, why wait for other people to adopt it first? Why not be the brave person who had the brains and vision to see something beyond it's label? Some people really need to grow a pair when it comes to how to spend their $$$.

Or at the very least try to have a qualified opinion before offering it.

Kev

[jpark]

that's from 2008.

BTW, everyone knows this in Korea but the hyundai/kia that's being made and sold IN korea for korean customers are SHIT. Crappy standard options, built with crappy material and OVERPRICED.

there are many problems with their new hyundai/kia but the company does not take proper responsibilities.

as for hyundai/kia being sold overseas, i don't see a problem in getting them.

(and yes, i'm korean :D)

yea i believe the passenger airbag was an 'option' for some cars untill 2008 era i think in korea? or is that still the case.. yet chrome moldings, piano black finish, leather seats and etc were pretty much basic for alot of cars.... pretty sad how people value material goods more than their own safety when it comes to cars there

[Phil@rise]

buncha hyndia hatin sheep

[Fobman]

going korea next week gonna check out some hyundais lol :alone:

[Roach]

hmm interesting


http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/11/13/first-hyundai-genesis-coupe-crash-airbags-fail/


The Koreans have gotten their allocation of the new 2009 Hyundai Genesis Coupes and it seems like one customer felt his Genesis Coupe could push the limits a little more than he thought possible. Needless to say that he learned the hard way by crashing into the concrete base of a metal light pole.

As you can see from the images, the 2.0T Genesis Coupe you see here was the only car involved in the accident leading us to believe that the driver lost control and the Brembo brakes of the Genesis weren’t strong enough to slow him down.

What’s more interesting is that the airbags failed to deploy. You can see that the front driver side received the most damage. Wonder what Hyundai has to say about this.

Do I need to cite the fiery crash that killed a California police officer and his entire family while driving an ES350 with a stuck accelerator pedal?

Things can be sensationalized about every manufacturer.

Do me a favour, drive a Genesis before you try to support a weak argument with an even weaker supporting point.

Kev

[Manic!]

You gotta have some balls to buy a 50K Hyundai, but most people here are pussy whipped and buy cars to impress other people.

[Jsunu]

well jpark, you own a hyundai so your opinion could be a bit biased.

it might be faster than half the cars out there, but at the end of the day, in your driveway sits a 50k hyundai.

they should stick to doing what they are good at, making cheap economical cars. or better yet, make good quality small eco cars and then branch out into bigger sedans. seems like they are trying to hard to keep up with the luxury brands where instead should focus doing something they are good at.

But they are expanding their small eco car market, even with their new Hyundai Accent.

[s300ae]

But they are expanding their small eco car market, even with their new Hyundai Accent.

exactly, and imo they should stick to that and become a #1 choice when it comes to the eco car market. im just saying, let the luxury type up to the pros.

and Roach, why would i pull shit out of my ass without testing it first. Ive test driven the tiburon and genesis. again, money can be spent somewhere else.

honestly, country of origin matters to me. id rather go with cars from EU with close to 100 years experience if I had 50k to spend on a sedan.

[donjalapeno]

well jpark, you own a hyundai so your opinion could be a bit biased.

it might be faster than half the cars out there, but at the end of the day, in your driveway sits a 50k hyundai.

they should stick to doing what they are good at, making cheap economical cars. or better yet, make good quality small eco cars and then branch out into bigger sedans. seems like they are trying to hard to keep up with the luxury brands where instead should focus doing something they are good at.

but there not trying hard too keep up with other luxury car brands, the genesis has everything the 5 series has plus more, it has more than a e-class, it has more than a a6 and so there trying to prove that Hyundai isnt what it use to be, their moving forward targeting different markets...they are being smart. The only problem is convincing people that Hyundai ISN'T what it use to be and that's the hard part and that's why they have the whole "come test drive a Hyundai and if you buy something else we will give you 200 cash" deal. They have road shows across America where people can test drive different Hyundai's and experience the difference. Right now imo hyundai beats the shit outta Honda and Toyota in design/quality/reliability/price and i drive a Honda.

[GG]

keep in mind, $50g is NOT pocket change. A lot of people can afford it, but do they feel the need?NO! why? because cars are the worst investment, its an luxury not a necessity. Therefore when you are dropping your hard earn money down the pitt, you better pray you are getting one hell of a bargain, and the item is WORTh the price tag.


Realestate for example, would you wonna spend $1 mill living in east van? (since one mill houses in van is NOTHING now) People around you will call you mad living in the ghetto. Where majority of people will rather spend that money and live in a better enviroment burnaby or sth, or even shelling out some extra cash and afford sth smaller in west van or whatever.

[- kT]

You gotta have some balls to buy a 50K Hyundai, but most people here are pussy whipped and buy cars to impress other people.

you guys are all putting a price on the entire manufacturer itself. yes, the genesis sedan costs that much. yes the equus costs 70k.

but let's look at other things. rwd turbocharged sport coupe loaded with standard features right in the base model with things that are usually options for what, 24k i think it was?

then you look at cars like the accent and the elantra. and for the suv's, the santa fe

you can say what you want, that i'm biased because i own a hyundai, that i don't know what i'm talking about, whatever. but prior to the genesis coupe, i had no respect for hyundai. i bought my genesis coupe because it was the best bang for the buck. think about it this way. if it hadn't been hyundai making the genesis coupe, and it had been toyota making the EXACT same car, EXACT same specs, but slapped on a price tag of 10k more on it. people would still be flocking to buy it

i'm going out on a limb to say that half of you making negative comments have never even sat in any of their cars from their newest line up, much less driven it. seems like most of you are just looking at "50k for a hyundai nothx". don't knock it until you've given it a try. you may be pleasantly surprised, i know i was. and i won't even go into hyundai's great powertrain warranty

and like roach said. if you guys really want to start dwelling into problems with specific makes, then..toyota sticky accelerator pedals? mitsubishi accelerator pedals breaking off? ford recalling 1.4 million f150's because air bags could randomly deploy?

please widen your mindsets a bit before you post things like that because i could keep going all day

[s300ae]

if I had 30g, I would take a look at the genesis coupe 2.0T with the brembo brakes.

if I had 50g, I would not step into a hyundai dealership.

The only reason why i posted the link of the crashed Genesis was because of that ^^ post. The article states that even with Brembo brakes the driver wasnt able to stop. It was meant to be taken in a comical sense.

I realize that all manufacturers have faulty parts and make recalls on their products from time to time.

im knocking cuz ive tried it. when youre looking for class in a luxury car, simply put, in the current market, Hyundai isnt it.

[jpark]

holy crap lol, this thread - :facepalm:

[donjalapeno]

last time i checked, ANY car thats lowered with a set of expensive rims will look better than stock...HRE/Iforged/DPE/VOLK/ADVAN your point?




its still a kork car



he is korean and he owns a korean car


posting a genesis with rims does not gain any brownie points my friend



BTW faster dont mean shit


does anyone gives a damn if you see a 500whp EF civic? no not really, because ppl are gonna say its still a 20 years old piece of shit, and its a civic


And just for your information. GS350/E350 starts around $55-57g, id rather shell out an extra $10g and get a PROPER luxury car


Not some kimchi made overpriced guinness....i mean genesis

so i guess,

American cars are made out of steaks
German cars are made out of bratwursts
Japanese cars are made out of dried sea weed and rice
Italian cars are made out of tomato sauce
Russian cars are made out of vodka?

you must live in a cartoony ass world.

[Bonka]

Care to provide an example??
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Honda Civic:
http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Honda/2009-Honda-Civic-Si-Coupe-HFP-1.jpg


Kia Forte:
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/26951706+w750+st0/0907_01_z+2010_kia_forte_koup+front_three_quarters _view.jpg


Ferrari 550 Maranello:
http://www.lasvegassportscarrentals.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ferrari-550-maranello.jpg

Corvette C6:
http://www.thecarpictures.info/images/wmwallpapers/Chevrolet-Corvette-C6-023-1.jpeg


Subaru Impreza:
http://image.motortrend.com/f/8419998/112_0803_04z+economy_car_comparison+2008_subaru_im %20%20preza_2.5i_premium_rear_view.jpg

Suzuki SX4:
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/103157/2009-suzuki-sx4-i01.jpg

Kia Amanti:
http://www.autos4world.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Kia-Amanti-2.jpg

Jaguar S-Type:
http://www.worldtopcars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Jaguar-S-Type-2.JPG

:)

[skylinergtr]

my arguement is that is was not what i expected.

i approached a genesis with high expectations, because lots of people have been raving on it.

When i got in, i thought. So... it cant be. It still doesnt scream luxury. The controls and knobs felt cheap. The v6 engine was making too much noise, and was idling high. It really made me dissapointed that this car got so much credit, and was comparable to high end cars like a mercedes or bmw large sedans when it doesn't even come close to those types of vehicles.

I am not one to be bias and base on brands and class, but everyday i'm starting to except the concept of "you pay for what you get". If this car is $50,000's new. I would consider my options and downgrade to a smaller sedan and get a quality car like the new Volvo S60, Acura TL, Mercedes C-Class, BMW 3-Series, or Lexus IS. Those cars are all in that price range.

[s300ae]

Honda Civic:

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Honda/2009-Honda-Civic-Si-Coupe-HFP-1.jpg


Kia Forte:
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/26951706+w750+st0/0907_01_z+2010_kia_forte_koup+front_three_quarters _view.jpg


Ferrari 550 Maranello:
http://www.lasvegassportscarrentals.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ferrari-550-maranello.jpg

Corvette C6:
http://www.thecarpictures.info/images/wmwallpapers/Chevrolet-Corvette-C6-023-1.jpeg


Subaru Impreza:
http://image.motortrend.com/f/8419998/112_0803_04z+economy_car_comparison+2008_subaru_im %20%20preza_2.5i_premium_rear_view.jpg

Suzuki SX4:
http://www.auto123.com/ArtImages/103157/2009-suzuki-sx4-i01.jpg

Kia Amanti:
http://www.autos4world.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Kia-Amanti-2.jpg

Jaguar S-Type:
http://www.worldtopcars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Jaguar-S-Type-2.JPG

:)

thats great and all...but can you provide an example of a luxury car ripping off another luxury car? Nope. its the other way around... that was my point. The likes of KIA and Hyundai take pieces from the Jag, Benz, Lexus and make it their own.

http://carsblognews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Mercedes_E-Class.jpg

vs

http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-front-angle-view.jpg

I wonder where they got the idea for the grille? OR is it the other way around? Break up the Hyundai headlights into two pieces separating Hi and Lo beams. What do you get?


http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Mercedes/2010-Mercedes-E-Class-Coupe-AMG-4.jpg

vs

http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-rear-angle-view.jpg



notice anything similar? OR are you saying Benz E-class saw the genesis and copied their image? even the exhaust tips look almost identical.

[1exotic]

fuck no...


most of you are in your 20's or 30's, why in the fuck would you buy some boring ass Hyundai. Get something fun.

For 50k there are sooo many more options.

Better get some low mileage pre-owned car like Audi RS4 as an example.

[GG]

replicas will always be replicas, just like ROTAS



people who supports hyundai and kia ....well....they own the product therefore they have to back that shit up no matter what.


Those who says its great, talk is cheap. Drop $50g first than we will see if you TRULY enjoys this $50g so called LUXURY vehicle.

Sony Bravia tv vs samsung geee....i wonder which one should i vouch for.


LG vs SHARp....hmmm seems like a tough choice

[s300ae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cklyAeAa8M


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4uiOKAHH5M&feature=related

[GG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCSIj9qRbbk&feature=related

[Lomac]

And those who buys it....well...they are either korean or white folks. The end

I'm still trying to decide if you're either being extremely stupid by being racist... or quite smart in stating that Koreans and white people don't care about "face" and brand recognition...

nah

i just think they are way ahead of themself, thinking with their new design they can sell to the general market with that price tag

I just checked lexus.ca

new 2011 GS350 starts $54g

premium package is only $4g more

ultra premium package is $8g more

Sure its not the V8 model, but id settle for a 300hp car thats quiet, reliable, great resale value and worth the price tag while sacrficing 100hp less with the beauty and stability of AWD

You're talking about a $16,000 difference. Something else to keep in mind is that Hyundai markets the Genesis as offering "the performance of a BMW 5-Series and the interior packaging of a 7-Series at the price of a 3-Series.



I'll agree that the public perception of a high priced Hyundai may not be very inviting. Look at Volkswagen when they introduced the Phaeton. It's a fantastic car that compared very well to its main competition, but people were more likely to buy the Audi A8 variant instead of the Phaeton simply because of the brand recognition and perception that "you've gotta be crazy to pay XX amount for a VW, but you're smart by paying slightly more for an Audi..." even if said cars are basically the same thing.

[- kT]

replicas will always be replicas, just like ROTAS



people who supports hyundai and kia ....well....they own the product therefore they have to back that shit up no matter what.

are you serious right now? i honestly cannot tell

replica? i didn't know they made "replica" cars

and that's not the case. did you even read my post? i didn't buy my coupe because i <3 hyundai

and by your statement, we should assume all apple owners support apple products, even if shit breaks on the second day? uhhh yeah, not exactly. if the product sucks, there will be no "backing up because they own it". i don't know where you got that mentality. i guess you back up every brand you own simply because you own it, even if it breaks down 30 times within 2 months of owning it

[Bonka]

thats great and all...but can you provide an example of a luxury car ripping off another luxury car? Nope. its the other way around... that was my point. The likes of KIA and Hyundai take pieces from the Jag, Benz, Lexus and make it their own.

http://carsblognews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Mercedes_E-Class.jpg

vs

http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-front-angle-view.jpg

I wonder where they got the idea for the grille? OR is it the other way around? Break up the Hyundai headlights into two pieces separating Hi and Lo beams. What do you get?


http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Mercedes/2010-Mercedes-E-Class-Coupe-AMG-4.jpg

vs

http://newautocars.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2012-hyundai-genesis-r-spec-rear-angle-view.jpg



notice anything similar? OR are you saying Benz E-class saw the genesis and copied their image? even the exhaust tips look almost identical.

Well...the tail lights on the new 2011 5-series look pretty similar to the tails on the 1st gen G35..Then there's the LS460 and the 7-series. Fact of the matter is there are copycats across the board.

[jstn86]

you know how when you walk into a clothing store and you find the latest "trend" fashion?

well that works the same for the automotive industry.

one will start something that catches on and the other manufacturers will take clues and incorporate it to their own designs. designers take inspiration from other designs (unless you are chris bangle of course)

BMW came up with the iDrive (i know it's not "design" related), Audi standardized LED DRL's and now EVERYONE is doing it. any bulges on the hood, fender and similar lines on a car all fall down to trend.

while ago someone posted the new MB C-class coupe. and what did everyone say?
"oh it looks like a honda accord coupe"
do you HONESTLY think that the designers at MB looked at the accord coupe and decided to copy the design?

http://youtu.be/u613pJSLcfk

just like your girlfriend's spring 2011 collection, cars go through the same process. what was HAWT last year may not be so good looking this year. that's why you find older cars look outdated.

in the mid 90's when a lot of the cars had pop-up headlights, did everyone go ape shit on how they copied the first car ever to come with pop-up headlights?

i don't think so.

[Matsuda]

replica cars? I thought we were discussing Hyundai...not Geely

[BillyBishop]

people who supports hyundai and kia ....well....they own the product therefore they have to back that shit up no matter what.

they have to?? :failed:

Like what kT said about apple...
Before I got my iphone4, I had only used my friends'. A "test-drive", if you will. I was looking for things that would convince me NOT to buy it. Yeah, there were some, but I decided to get it in the end.
So I bought it and used it everyday. (no shit.) Naturally, I found a lot more things that I don't like about it. (jailbreaking fixed some quirks :fullofwin:) Had i known of and experienced the downsides (that i only learned of afterwards) before buying, I probably wouldn't have bought it. But because I did, I found out what a great phone it actually is by having it use it everyday.


Because they own it, they're ABLE to back it up.

[The_AK]

i hate that steering wheel...

[Mr.C]

I'd buy an Equus. Used.

[Fobman]

last time i checked, ANY car thats lowered with a set of expensive rims will look better than stock...HRE/Iforged/DPE/VOLK/ADVAN your point?




its still a kork car



he is korean and he owns a korean car


posting a genesis with rims does not gain any brownie points my friend



BTW faster dont mean shit


does anyone gives a damn if you see a 500whp EF civic? no not really, because ppl are gonna say its still a 20 years old piece of shit, and its a civic


And just for your information. GS350/E350 starts around $55-57g, id rather shell out an extra $10g and get a PROPER luxury car


Not some kimchi made overpriced guinness....i mean genesis

:stfu:

[rageguy]

Not some kimchi made overpriced guinness....i mean genesis

All the credibility of your argument is suddenly lost with this sentence.

Back to the topic: I read some reviews on the Equus and even got to sit in one at the dealership. It's extremely roomy and luxurious inside. The best features are a fridge in the back that screams "balling", and seats that massage you. $67k+tax. Not too shabby.

If I am in the market of a car $65-75k, I will consider this.

[Shorn]

it's a little off topic but still has to do with Hyundai:
not too long ago i was in the market for a brand new car for around 25-30g and my first choice was a genesis coupe. sporty, rwd, 2.0 turbo, whats not to like? so i went and got a test drive.

test drive: the ride is okay. power wise.. not too crazy but its good enough for me. however the quality of materials inside the car was very bad in my opinion. lots of plastic. not a lot of room inside the car as well (but hey its a coupe, so who cares!). other than that, its okay.

then i talked to the guy about the pricing and after taxes it came to roughly 33,000 (premium package) @ 2.9% for i think 6 years. i thought that was too much for this car... so i put it on hold and took a look at other cars. my friend suggested BMW and i was like :eek: are you kidding me? then i took a look at their website and found a pre-owned certified 2007 BMW 323i sedan with 40,000km on it for 23,000. Went in to brian jessel the next day, took a look, after taxes came to 30,000, bought it the same day. came with a 3 year warranty. plus 1.9% for 6 years. lower than hyundai.

i know it was a pretty drastic and different car than i originally wanted, but i'm glad i took the time to explore other options instead of just looking at the genesis.
the genesis coupe is a great car, no doubt, but not for 33g's. to be honest, i didn't even care about the resale value of it, cause i planned to keep it for a long time, but i doubt the coupe would have great resale value. now i still have decent resale value on the bimmer. if the coupe was maybe 5 grand cheaper, i think i would have gotten it.

of course, the bmw and the coupe are vastly different types of car. bmw is more of a luxury with a little twist of sport but coupe is all about the performance. i like either luxury and/or performance, that's why i'm still happy with the bmw. not as fast, but much more comfortable. so depends on what you like.

in the end i felt i spent my money more wisely on my bmw than if i had on the hyundai.
my 2 cents.

[Alphamale]

^
323i?

http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/101/771/original/1879f18e_e542_e1c6.jpg

[Shorn]

hater! i think its a great car for the price :)

[cococly]

....then i talked to the guy about the pricing and after taxes it came to roughly 33,000 (premium package) @ 2.9% for i think 6 years. i thought that was too much for this car... so i put it on hold and took a look at other cars. my friend suggested BMW and i was like :eek: are you kidding me? then i took a look at their website and found a pre-owned certified 2007 BMW 323i sedan with 40,000km on it for 23,000. Went in to brian jessel the next day, took a look, after taxes came to 30,000, bought it the same day. came with a 3 year warranty. plus 1.9% for 6 years. lower than hyundai.

of course, the bmw and the coupe are vastly different types of car. bmw is more of a luxury with a little twist of sport but coupe is all about the performance. i like either luxury and/or performance, that's why i'm still happy with the bmw. not as fast, but much more comfortable. so depends on what you like.



You are comparing the price of a brand new Hyundai coupe with a 4-year old base 323i?

Seriously, if you would ever think of getting a used 323i, the Genesis coupe is not a car for you.

[Shorn]

why not? i come from driving 20 year old shitboxes.. i don't care about the year of the car all that much. if its within 8 years of brand new, it IS brand new to me.
like i said, i like both luxury and performance. the coupe has one but not the other. and the 323i has the opposite. so.. worked for me. i thought it was a better deal.

[jpark]

so you paid 30k for a car that has a bmw badge and literally nothing? but w.e as long as your happy with your car i guess, thats all it really matters

[- kT]

then i talked to the guy about the pricing and after taxes it came to roughly 33,000 (premium package) @ 2.9% for i think 6 years. i thought that was too much for this car... so i put it on hold and took a look at other cars. my friend suggested BMW and i was like :eek: are you kidding me? then i took a look at their website and found a pre-owned certified 2007 BMW 323i sedan with 40,000km on it for 23,000. Went in to brian jessel the next day, took a look, after taxes came to 30,000, bought it the same day. came with a 3 year warranty. plus 1.9% for 6 years. lower than hyundai.

sucks to hear you didn't end up going with the coupe. they had an april promotion going on for 0% financing for 5 years on the 2011 gencoupe's

[Shorn]

so you paid 30k for a car that has a bmw badge and literally nothing? but w.e as long as your happy with your car i guess, thats all it really matters

sigh.. i could care less about the badge; i wanted to drive a hyundai for god's sake. i'm not those kinds of people who really care about what brand of car they drive. i chose the 323i because it still has great driving characteristics while still affordable. how does it have nothing? 50:50 weight ratio, rear wheel drive, 200 hp, good handling. plus it still has the luxury i need, pretty much just leather and sunroof.
have you driven a 323i? i hope so, because if you haven't that just means you're one of those people who shits on cars without having driven them first.

sucks to hear you didn't end up going with the coupe. they had an april promotion going on for 0% financing for 5 years on the 2011 gencoupe's

yeah the sales guy told me about that! too bad i already bought the car by then.. would have thought about it more haha. bad timing i guess.

[skylinergtr]

^^ a lot of people shit on the 323i because of how basic it is and for the smaller engine.

honestly, I was given one as a loaner from the dealer when my mom's x3 was in for service, and i went in with low expectations and came out with a smile on my face.

great fuel economy, pretty decent power in the high revv's. Ofcourse the wonderful handling of a BMW. Rear wheel drive and such. I took it for a nice drive up and down the twisties in West Vancouver. It really made me think more of the car. I was also given a 330i as a loaner another time, and that was just another animal.

The e90 bmw is pretty good. I love the drive, but my heart will always stay with the e46 if i ever had to buy one.

[Alphamale]

The e90 bmw is pretty good. I love the drive, but my heart will always stay with the e46 if i ever had to buy one.

Interested to know why that is?

[wasabisashimi]

323 ???????...................................seriousl y for 30,000?? Have fun paying for high maintanence for such basic car. I dunno how fun is a RWD without the power.


What kind of luxury can 323i give?,, same old leather seats plus NAVI, thats about it..... Money was not well spent

[Death2Theft]

With the warranty better than any german competitor what do you have to lose aside from a fancy status badge?

[Alphamale]

323 ???????...................................seriousl y for 30,000?? Have fun paying for high maintanence for such basic car. I dunno how fun is a RWD without the power.


Bro, what you talkin' about?

[Death2Theft]

I guess that would be true since most people lack a pair of testicles. They let bitchboys like you convince them to buy into a brand, and not buy it for the features of the car. I can see you being the prick in the 7 series trying to rub it in someones face every chance you got. Too bad you'd spend less time driving your car as it sits at the dealer for repairs while the "hyundai" guy actually gets to enjoy what he paid for. This will show in the resale value mark my words. As far as styling goes i'd prefer tasteful cut and paste over some of the abortions the germans have come up with to be "different".
Truth be told there have been a few times i've thought hey thats a neat looking hyundai.... only to discover it as a euro brand bland styled pos.
At the end of the day you still spent 50k on a hyundai.


You simply cannot win an argument with that car. At the end of the day it's still a Hyundai.

IMO, rather go with something euro or jdm. Too me it looks like a compilation of parts from all luxury sedans superglued together. It's got that 'borrowed' look rather than being unique.




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[skylinergtr]

Interested to know why that is?

expensive maintenance with the e90.

expensive electric water pumps... common major engine lifter noise issues.

the body styling is not as nice as e46 (unless its a E90 M3)

the interior seems more cheap compared to the e46.

It is known that the E46 is the last best reliable BMW.

The m54 engine is argueable one of the best non M engine bmw has made. Its bullet proof, decent power output, and easy in terms of maintenance.

The e46 also has great styling interior and exterior wise.

this is my opinion as a BMW enthusiast.

[Shorn]

^ i would have gotten a e46 if there was financing available :) love those cars too.
meh i should have known better than to post about my experience with a bmw in a hyundai thread.. haha. just to be clear i'm not a fanboy of any brand, i love hyundai's and bmw's and honda's and nissan's. just i didn't feel 33 grand was worth it for the gen coupe. thats all. i might pick up one used in the future though! looks fun to mod :)

323 = definitely not a modders car. but i'm just dding it so doesn't matter to me. haha

[cococly]

Buying a brand new Genesis sedan (MSRP $39,000 - $50,000) is not too rational;

What about the Equus (MSRP $63000 - $70000? ) :whistle:

http://www.dragtimes.com/images/22244-2011-Hyundai-Equus.jpg
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hyundai_equus_spotted_in_us_again_002.jpg

Has anyone seen it on the road?

[flagella]

seriously, unless someone prides himself as a korean, no one's gonna dump 70k into that shit. SEVENTY THOUSAND MAN, IMAGINE OTHER POSSIBILITIES

[Death2Theft]

There really arn't that many other possibilities if you want RELIABLE lux.
You have lexus which has boring interiors and boring engines for the most part, questionable reliability as do all newer toyotas they have dropped the ball as far as i'm concerned.
Infiniti which everyone has and not too many models to chose from.
Acura which is SUV heaven.

[GG]

http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/Spoony85/megatron003.jpg



you rang?

[s300ae]

what i am basically getting from this thread is that all the hyundai lovers only buy hyundais because they have more gadgets and accessories than comparable jdm or euro models.
while youre accusing us of buying cars for only the brand, youre buying a vehicle only for accessories.

my question is, why does hyundai offer the best warranty for their cars? IF i made an excellent product, id have at least some confidence in it that it would last. For me, the warranty and accessories seems to be the only selling points to hyundais

[Death2Theft]

Your taste in wheels explains why your all about flash and not about substance.
If you'd care to refute that then please find a similar euro model compare the prices and show us what the hyundai can't do.

[donjalapeno]

Im just gonna leave this here...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/5020576839_5761d4e618_o.jpg

[s300ae]

Your taste in wheels explains why your all about flash and not about substance.
If you'd care to refute that then please find a similar euro model compare the prices and show us what the hyundai can't do.

flash? lol very unlikely. the reason why i bought my wheels was because they are rare, built in 2001, same year as my car. if i wanted flash, id chrome them out, use gold bolts and put them on a 300C.

what the hyundai cant do? how about make their cars look appealing.
look at the monstrous thing right above... youre telling me that fugly thing worth what it costs. yuck. i feel the same way about american cars post 1970s. cheap, plastic, hideous.


how about 50k hyundai vs 50k 2007 Audi RS4? Id take my older but 430HP Audi any day.

[donjalapeno]

^ r u serious...hyundai has the best designs over other competitors right now.. which looks more appealing? You cant say the accord or the camry it looks as if a designer came in on a tuesday quickly sketched them and then just left. Hyundai however has Audi's old designer in a new facility in California, just look at the lines of the car and say thats not quality...

http://glamgirlcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/honda-accord-sedan-front-view-21-small.jpg

http://www.camrytoyota.info/images/2010/04/camry.jpg

http://cdn.getauto.com/photos/1/161671/1c/5NPEC4ABXBH226802-1c.jpg

and for the " cheap" comment, how is that hyundai has better paint quality than a mercedes CLS?

Paint - Video

and if it truly is a cheaply made car how is it that they back it up with the best warrantys?

haters gon hate...everyones mad because hyundai is above and beyond all american cars and most jap cars

[s300ae]

k honestly? were are talking about 5.0L V8 sedans...
why are you posting a camry and an accord?

[donjalapeno]

because you called the sonata's design ugly...

and also stated that hyundai is cheap and you got proved wrong so now your butt hurt and are trying too cover it up by back firing

[s300ae]

LOL coming from a guy that has porsches on his avatar. perhaps its time to change it to a genesis R-spec?

again, this is my personal opinion that they are ugly. this is all coming from personal experience of actually being in a few hyundais and finding their options cheap, compared to other cars ive sat in at car shows (one being the chicago auto show, one of the biggest in the world)

now, use your google magic to look up 50K V8 North American Spec European or Japanese sedans. can you find a worse looking car than the inbred genesis?

[donjalapeno]

LOL coming from a guy that has porsches on his avatar. perhaps its time to change it to a genesis R-spec?

again, this is my personal opinion that they are ugly. this is all coming from personal experience of actually being in a few hyundais and finding their options cheap, compared to other cars ive sat in at car shows (one being the chicago auto show, one of the biggest in the world)

now, use your google magic to look up 50K cars V8 Sedans. can you find a worse looking car than the inbred genesis?

Matter of fact i can,

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2010/12/12/06/21/2006_cadillac_dts-pic-3611780211432080876.jpeg

[s300ae]

i think you misread my earlier comment where i said anything pre 1970s american is hideous as well. keep searching.

[donjalapeno]

you said too find a 50k V8 car thats uglier than the genesis and so i did...

[s300ae]

there. fixed it for you. and i must agree that cadi is pretty hideous

[Shorn]

i can't speak for other models of hyundai, but the interior of genesis coupe does feel cheap. personal opinion, having test drove one. still would buy one though! just not for 33k.

[s300ae]

you said too find a 50k V8 car thats uglier than the genesis and so i did...

hey soltaaa,

whats the model cadi you googled? cant tell them apart.

but if you want to talk NA, best bang for you buck,
it would be a 2010 CTS-V Cadi... SC 6.2 556HP in 6speed.
that should get your blood boiling. and guess what, its under 50k

[- kT]

LOL coming from a guy that has porsches on his avatar. perhaps its time to change it to a genesis R-spec?

just for the record..

RSpec's are only available in the states. here we have GT's :D

[kyoshiro]

Actually the paint being better than CLS is pretty much marketing thing and has no backing. Mercedes has real strict guidelines to paint quality, probably strictest there is in the industry along with one of the toughest clear coat (nano ceramic clear). I'm pretty sure Hyundais dont have nano ceramic clears as the last time I went and test drove a new Tucson, you could see a lot of swirls.

But yeah Hyundai is growing and attracting a lot of attention. Would I buy one? probably not. I still dont see why they dont include auto headlights or wipers on a top trim model Tucson. And the only Hyundai i'd buy is prob the Genesis Coupe due to its price point for a RWD coupe.

[roastpuff]

hey soltaaa,

whats the model cadi you googled? cant tell them apart.

but if you want to talk NA, best bang for you buck,
it would be a 2010 CTS-V Cadi... SC 6.2 556HP in 6speed.
that should get your blood boiling. and guess what, its under 50k

Uh, definitely not true. Try finding one under 50K either here or in the States. You can't. Would love to have it, but it's still quite expensive.

They're about 52k USED and closer to 60K new in the states. In Canada it's closer to 70k.

And I think the GS series looks ugly. Don't like the front, don't like the rear. The separated headlights makes it look like a 90's throwback. Yech.

http://www.alllexusinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Lexus-GS-350-3.jpg

[Lomac]

how about 50k hyundai vs 50k 2007 Audi RS4? Id take my older but 430HP Audi any day.

And people complain that Hyundai's have bad resale value? That '07 RS4 was over $100k four years ago...

Besides, if you're looking for a new car, chances are you probably wont consider a used car that's at the end of it's warranty.

[Death2Theft]

Everytime I see a cls especially modded ones I dont know whether to laugh at the idiot who thought that overpriced pos looks good or to vomit because it looks so fucking vile. Imagine the shock a badge groupie CLS owner would have if someone replaced the mb badge with a hyundai badge.

[Death2Theft]

Hey if buying what looks very similar to a base model 1.8T (to get into the audi brand) and putting surrey jack wheels makes it stand out from your average hyundai well... nuff said. I bet your already looking for some kinda LED retrofit to make yourself stand out.

I'm sure that weight saving high tech (riceboy applique looking) CF interior was put to good use with your baltimore donk wheels.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWASTkoW8fS57m0q2Pv8l3SpFdd6TlE Ep7VFWcr7K-jM5zKrGaYQ&t=1
http://images.usedcheapcars.org/used-audi/2007-audi-rs4-4-2/2007_audi_rs4_official_review_6-ucc.jpg
I'm not even sure if this is the right interior but I'd prefer it to the tacky ass CF. Putting CF inside a car that weighs 3000+ lbs to save weight vs plastic/wood whatever interior material is replaced is like putting make up on a pig. Even if a car used a metal interior trim how much are you gonna save 10lbs? Give me a break.
http://www.otoracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/hyundai-equus-Vs-460-interior-2011.jpg
flash? lol very unlikely. the reason why i bought my wheels was because they are rare, built in 2001, same year as my car. if i wanted flash, id chrome them out, use gold bolts and put them on a 300C.

what the hyundai cant do? how about make their cars look appealing.
look at the monstrous thing right above... youre telling me that fugly thing worth what it costs. yuck. i feel the same way about american cars post 1970s. cheap, plastic, hideous.


how about 50k hyundai vs 50k 2007 Audi RS4? Id take my older but 430HP Audi any day.

[s300ae]

i lost you in your second post. you rambled on like senile Don Cherry.
I might have to agree with you on the CLS, it seems they lost touch with their european roots and made more of a asian inspired body type, very elongated and pointed.

[CorneringArtist]

Personally I would buy the Genesis sedan, but when the price has gone down. I see not much fault with the design, and Hyundai has stepped their game, but at the current price point, it's not worth it.

[Timpo]

i'm sure hyundai makes nice cars nowadays but it's still a hyundai...
it's not a luxury or high class brand by any means.

that's why we have acura, lexus and infiniti...hyundai needs its own luxury brand

[Jgresch]

what i am basically getting from this thread is that all the hyundai lovers only buy hyundais because they have more gadgets and accessories than comparable jdm or euro models.
while youre accusing us of buying cars for only the brand, youre buying a vehicle only for accessories.

my question is, why does hyundai offer the best warranty for their cars? IF i made an excellent product, id have at least some confidence in it that it would last. For me, the warranty and accessories seems to be the only selling points to hyundais

Are you suggesting that Hyundai offering a good warranty makes them unreliable?

If hyundai didn't believe in their products they would offer no warranty at all. By offering a long factory warranty, this just means they are confident in their cars, not the other way around.

Judging by recent sales figures I'd say the current Hyundai lineup is doing quite well.

By accessories do you mean options? That's normally what they are called, and yes people prefer cars with more options, as well as good fuel economy, decent looks, and good safety features. Oh wait, was that a Hyundai I just described?

[kyoshiro]

mitsubishi offers 10 years powertrain and 5 year bumper to bumper.
warranty + reliability has no relation imo, doesnt make the car more reliable or more unreliable. Only time can tell.

[s300ae]

the reason why they are doing well in the lower end models is because of fuel efficiency and the long warranty. the warranty is a marketing scheme to get you in the door. its forced upon mid-low income buyers. anyone in the upper class wouldnt buy a hyundai (most likely lease) let alone care for the warranty.

it lacks its prestige. perhaps once they establish good footing on this beast, in the future they'll have the history to back it up

[donjalapeno]

the reason why they are doing well in the lower end models is because of fuel efficiency and the long warranty. the warranty is a marketing scheme to get you in the door. its forced upon mid-low income buyers. anyone in the upper class wouldnt buy a hyundai (most likely lease) let alone care for the warranty.

it lacks its prestige. perhaps once they establish good footing on this beast, in the future they'll have the history to back it up

LOL, your making hyundai sound like crooks. First with the whole " long warranty is a marketing scheme" and then in the other thread " just because they advertise good paint quality doesnt mean its true"...Hyundai is a HUGE company and they are making fine cars right now and all there trying too do is get the word out that hyundai isn't what it use too be that being said they wont ruin there reputation with false advertising.

You just need too accept the fact that Hyundai is making awesome cars and that all of its competitors are shitting there pants right now. END

[azndvdiz]

http://www.gencoupe.com/members/nxxt-albums-random-picture3518-a.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5100/5523967023_440b71502d_b.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/v8m26v.jpg

[jpark]

those wedsports on the white one are my favorite <3

[kyoshiro]

LOL, your making hyundai sound like crooks. First with the whole " long warranty is a marketing scheme" and then in the other thread " just because they advertise good paint quality doesnt mean its true"...Hyundai is a HUGE company and they are making fine cars right now and all there trying too do is get the word out that hyundai isn't what it use too be that being said they wont ruin there reputation with false advertising.

You just need too accept the fact that Hyundai is making awesome cars and that all of its competitors are shitting there pants right now. END

Being a huge company doesnt mean they dont lie. Advertisements is all marketing to get you to buy their products thus companies will go to all extents to bring customers over. It is also legal in the US to compare your product with other competitors products in advertisements. They can compare an old CLS paint and their new vehicle paint and it will be completely valid despite years of differences in technology. They also do not have any fact to back the fact that their paint is better. The video they shown... nearly ever car manufacturer these days go through the same process. They first dip the whole body for anti corrosion and magnetize the body then spray with robots with magnetize paint so that it sticks.
So you need to first understand the goal of advertisement and marketing before you start trusting everything you see. It is a common mistake that everyone makes, trusting into advertising too much and clouded from making right decisions or knowing the right facts.
It is no mistake that Hyundai is growing and getting better, but not knowing the right facts as a consumer is bad for any current and future decisions you make. And I am not trying to bash you or anything but as I said everyone makes this mistake. News reports are also bias believe it or not, so it is important to dig deeper and understand it and not take everything word for word.

Also huge companies like Porsche also had lots of problems with debt, you see them doing well but infact they were in debt when they bought out VAG. Now you see VAG buying them out instead.
Another example, Mitsubishi nearly went bankrupt cuz of hiding things many years back. They're one of the largest manufacturer in Japan and the Mitsubishi Group is also fairly big.
So you see now, being a big company means nothing in terms of creditability.

[cococly]

Hyundai however has Audi's old designer in a new facility in California, just look at the lines of the car and say thats not quality...




The design of the car =/= quality.

Hyundai does have great designs, but I am still not too sure about their quality of their parts/materials/reliability. And whats more, the base sonata costs $22,649 and the base accord is $24,790. Would 10% cheaper be enough to attarct potential 08+ accord buyers (not a lot of them, lol) to change their mind and get the sonata?

[Death2Theft]

Lets see the euro's offer the warranty that hyundai is offering. Bet you'd see some changes real quick or they'd go bankrupt.
the reason why they are doing well in the lower end models is because of fuel efficiency and the long warranty. the warranty is a marketing scheme to get you in the door. its forced upon mid-low income buyers. anyone in the upper class wouldnt buy a hyundai (most likely lease) let alone care for the warranty.

it lacks its prestige. perhaps once they establish good footing on this beast, in the future they'll have the history to back it up

[s300ae]

id rather have a well built car that just needs basic maintenance than have a shit car with a long warranty and have to go through the warranty every year just to keep it running.

were going off topic again.. the main point of this thread was to establish if youd pay the 50k for the R-spec. my opinion was that i wouldnt and i backed it up with the fact that its still an amateur in the luxury world, and looks ugly and borrowed.

I dont have a problem with the coupes, in fact i think for the HP+RWD its a pretty good deal. i wouldnt buy it, but it would make a decent track car.

i guess we will have to wait and see how they do in 2011/12 in the US.

[Death2Theft]

Really? Thats your excuse to snub a brand? Because they stand behind the product by offering a longer warranty?
If euros could stand behind their product instead of their badge they too would offer a competitive warranty. We all know they would go bankrupt if they tried.

[donjalapeno]

S300ae, your acting like a stubborn dog that wont take his pills. Just accept the fact that hyundai is making good cars. Get over it.

[s300ae]

S300ae, your acting like a stubborn dog that wont take his pills. Just accept the fact that hyundai is making good cars. Get over it.

ill accept that they make "good cheap fuel efficient midsize, compact" sedans

they have yet to prove themselves on:

offroad, rally, track, luxury

[kyoshiro]

i mean at this point really, both sides have their opinions although they are at the total opposite ends of each other.
There is no point in bashing each other as it all boils down to opinions.
and as I said, warranty means nothing about the car quality or reliability. Even if the company is confident in their product, there can always be problems in the long run because as with most things, only time will tell.
For example, I dont think anyone can guarantee you that the cylinders will still be in the same shape as it was out of the factory 10 years from now. Its simply impossible to tell as everyones driving habits are different and the amount of stress an engine goes through is different.
Also as a business you need to consider pushing sales of your products. If you're offering 10 years of warranty, thats 10 years that the customer will possibly not buy a new car. That is not good for business especially when you're pushing new models every few years and want to get sales. Theres only so many people and theres so many cars and iterations of models.
In reality majority of consumer products these days are made to last maybe 3~4 years and they start going haywire,etc. There is a certain lifetime manufacturers put on their products. I highly doubt modern cars will last as long as the old ones with the use of things like biodegradable plastic. I mean at some point it will degrade.
Also one of the culprits of repairs are sometimes not even at the fault of the car manufacturer. Manufacturers out source a lot of their parts like the transmission. You will find the same transmission in an american and japanese car. Now if the transmission breaks in one of them, the repair is handled by the manufacturer despite it was the transmission maker's product.
So you guys... look broader and respect other's opinions. I'm not gonna say stop acting like kids as I dont know how old you guys are but please be more mature and start thinking outside the box as I think its a quality everyone needs in life.

[k3mps]

i mean at this point really, both sides have their opinions although they are at the total opposite ends of each other.
There is no point in bashing each other as it all boils down to opinions.
and as I said, warranty means nothing about the car quality or reliability. Even if the company is confident in their product, there can always be problems in the long run because as with most things, only time will tell.
For example, I dont think anyone can guarantee you that the cylinders will still be in the same shape as it was out of the factory 10 years from now. Its simply impossible to tell as everyones driving habits are different and the amount of stress an engine goes through is different.
Also as a business you need to consider pushing sales of your products. If you're offering 10 years of warranty, thats 10 years that the customer will possibly not buy a new car. That is not good for business especially when you're pushing new models every few years and want to get sales. Theres only so many people and theres so many cars and iterations of models.
In reality majority of consumer products these days are made to last maybe 3~4 years and they start going haywire,etc. There is a certain lifetime manufacturers put on their products. I highly doubt modern cars will last as long as the old ones with the use of things like biodegradable plastic. I mean at some point it will degrade.
Also one of the culprits of repairs are sometimes not even at the fault of the car manufacturer. Manufacturers out source a lot of their parts like the transmission. You will find the same transmission in an american and japanese car. Now if the transmission breaks in one of them, the repair is handled by the manufacturer despite it was the transmission maker's product.
So you guys... look broader and respect other's opinions. I'm not gonna say stop acting like kids as I dont know how old you guys are but please be more mature and start thinking outside the box as I think its a quality everyone needs in life.

i agree with what you're saying. even if a brand does make very good cars, regardless of their past, noone has owned a new sonata, equus or genesis for a long term (7-10 years) to tell if they quality is good. just because a company offers 10 year warranty which hyundai may or may not, doesn't mean everything sticks. I have friends who have tried to get repairs, and their "extended warranties" have expired components. warranty does not = good car. it might mean "we made a good car, and can back it up" or it can mean "here's your car. and some warranty, you'll need it".

Originally Posted by cococly
the base sonata costs $22,649 and the base accord is $24,790
i wouldn't buy an accord. honda auto transmissions are known to have problems, aswell as brakes. my ex's dad used to have an 09. brake had to be fixed/changed at 16k and 28k, tranny was acting up, thats why he sold it.
not saying their cars are bad. i just wouldnt buy one myself.

[- kT]

http://i55.tinypic.com/v8m26v.jpg

k having second thoughts about ce28's now

also this thread gives me a goddamn headache

[Shorn]

.. So you guys... look broader and respect other's opinions. I'm not gonna say stop acting like kids as I dont know how old you guys are but please be more mature and start thinking outside the box as I think its a quality everyone needs in life.

+1!
this world is never black and white. there are always shades of gray in between.

[604CRX]

I still wouldn't be able to bring myself to own a Korean car....

[Jgresch]

k having second thoughts about ce28's now

also this thread gives me a goddamn headache

Those are te37s lol
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[jpark]

^i think he meant hes liking the te37's more than the ce28's he had in mind after seeing the pic lol

[BaoTurbo]

Bad pics cuz its at night. Phone as well. Elantra I believe. You cant deny it looks pretty flashy and sporty
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz134/superboypoon/IMG00018-20110425-2134-1.jpg
http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz134/superboypoon/IMG00019-20110425-2135.jpg

[s300ae]

^^ is that how you buy cars? based on how they look?

[BaoTurbo]

^
No but I'm just saying. It's probably a I4 but I'm just saying it looks alright. :whistle:

[pk_volt]

Anyone know what the Car is in Iris/Athena Goddess of War?

it's sooo nice

[skylinergtr]

i walked by the hyundai dealer today on the way to work.

i took a look at their cars.

in my own honest opinion.... none of the cars look good to my eyes.

Don't get me wrong, its not about brands. Probably so used to old and boxy styling.

but the only models i thought that were decent in terms of exterior design was the genesis and the genesis coupe.

i dont like the look of the sonata. It front actually looks annoying...

again. my own honestly opinion. deal with it.

[Energy]

Looks are subjective.

But from what I hear, many people like the direction Hyundai is going with their fluidic design theme. If you add those subjective good looks with a ton of standard features (heated rear seats anyone?) while keeping the price reasonable plus having great warranty/good reliability then its hard to argue against the brand and where it is going.

[s300ae]

Looks are subjective.

But from what I hear, many people like the direction Hyundai is going with their fluidic design theme. If you add those subjective good looks with a ton of standard features (heated rear seats anyone?) while keeping the price reasonable plus having great warranty/good reliability then its hard to argue against the brand and where it is going.

there is not a single manufacturer in the world has been able to accomplish it all: provide an appealing looking vehicle, fuel efficient, powerful, full of features, long warranty, and reasonable price. Otherwise they'd be out of business. Usually its 3 out of the 6.

[s300ae]

im surprised none of you have posted this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULw3aGfMUc&feature=player_embedded

[cococly]

there is not a single manufacturer in the world has been able to accomplish it all: provide an appealing looking vehicle, fuel efficient, powerful, full of features, long warranty, and reasonable price. Otherwise they'd be out of business. Usually its 3 out of the 6.

Look = Subjective
Fuel Efficient = Yes
Powerful= Yes; mid-range in class with the best fuel economy ratings
Full of Features = Yes; loads of features at higher trims
Long warranty = yes/no; 5 year warranty
Reasonable price = Yes; cheaper than main rivals.

I am not a Hyundai fan, but the new Sontata/Tuscon/Elantra seem to have 4/5 out of your 6 categories.

Quality wise = :troll:
Depreciation = :troll:
Reliability = unknown

[s300ae]

^^ Sontata? never heard :troll:

i see what you are trying to say there... but the elantra and tucson would only score 3/6
not good looking, no power, and features only available on higher priced models (so if you want features it fails on the price tag) best they can get is actually 3/6

[- kT]

Those are te37s lol
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^i think he meant hes liking the te37's more than the ce28's he had in mind after seeing the pic lol

^ this

[Timpo]

im surprised none of you have posted this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULw3aGfMUc&feature=player_embeddedand I'm surprised done of you have posted this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcpFmu_Gfp8

[!LittleDragon]

I bought my Sonata Turbo because it the best car for me in the price range, not because of stupid claims like paint quality. I needed a daily driver and it fit the bill. My only other choice was the Ford Fusion, didn't even consider Japanese because they're boring to drive these days. In the end, what sealed the deal was the 0% financing over 84 months.

[k3mps]

I'm probably getting a sonata hybrid. It fits almost everything I need atm. What are your views on the sonata hybrid?
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[kyoshiro]

Sonata Hybrid... yeah gonna be a lot better for city driving. I also may consider a Sonata Turbo or Genesis Coupe turbo soon if my new job requires me to work at downtown (going to hybrid may be a step too far for me in terms of driving)
I did test drive the Sonata with the 2.4GDI engine though and overall it felt good to drive though it wasnt as great as the Genesis Coupe which is a given, but yeah I felt the need for the 2.0T while test driving it as well.
The only worry I have for Sonata Hybrid is the actual hybrid system itself (since you're buying it for the hybrid in reality), havent really looked into specifics on how it works personally and specifications. If its anything like the Honda one, I dont think it does much work.

[k3mps]

Ya that's exactly what I'm thinking. I was gona get.a 2t but I'm moving to coq, and ill be 30km from school , and I'm paying for my own gas, and I'd rather have the hybrids economy. Its not in dealers yet but ill be sure to test drive it. Thanks for your input I appreciate it
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[kyoshiro]

hybrids dont really work unless its city driving btw since it will cut when you reach certain speeds. It only benefits start n stop traffic where the motor can kick in and you get your battery charged via regenerative braking, etc as opposed to running the engine.
So you should probably map your way to school first and then see if the extra costs of the hybrid is worth it.

[!LittleDragon]

If you just cruise on the hwy, I've gotten as low as 5L/100km out of my 2.0T... combined, it's more like 10-12L/100kms after 5 tanks of gas now.

[k3mps]

Ya I thought about my route. It will be roughly 35 city 65 highway, but I also go dt a lot (4 days a week) where I'm driving 100% city. When I'm around at school, or when school ends, I go out with friends before going home or I sleep over at my buddies. so when I average it out, my travelling would be around 60 city, 40 highway, highway being going to/from school only.
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[kyoshiro]

If you just cruise on the hwy, I've gotten as low as 5L/100km out of my 2.0T... combined, it's more like 10-12L/100kms after 5 tanks of gas now.

i envy you with my 16L/100KM
did you get manual or auto (or does it only come in auto), when I test drove the genesis, I didnt notice any turbo lag prob cuz its a fairly low RPM engaged turbo but again it was a test drive so you never know.
Do you feel any turbo lag at all having driven 5 tanks so far?

[!LittleDragon]

No doubt my gas mileage will get better after the novelty of stomping on the pedal wears off... but then I said that of my MR2T as well. A tank of gas currently lasts me 1.5 weeks, $86 fillups. Usual week of driving is about 300kms.

[!LittleDragon]

i envy you with my 16L/100KM
did you get manual or auto (or does it only come in auto), when I test drove the genesis, I didnt notice any turbo lag prob cuz its a fairly low RPM engaged turbo but again it was a test drive so you never know.
Do you feel any turbo lag at all having driven 5 tanks so far?

The 2.0T only comes in a 6 speed auto with paddles. I don't notice turbo lag since it's a twin scroll turbo, it spools quick compared to my MR2T where I don't feel the surge of power until after 3000rpm. I do however, notice the lack of torque at low RPM.