[cressydrift]

Unless you condone animal cruelty.
**Some swearing in video** so be careful if your at work.

More video evidence of movie elephant suffering... on Vimeo

I am not a green party, or peta activist, but I just don't think that the people that made this movie should be encouraged/supported for doing these kinds of things to animals. Just leave them in the wild were they belong.

[cressydrift]

I can only watch bits a pieces, it makes me sick to my stomach.

[EmperorIS]

the elephants should go JUMANJI on their asses

[Matlock]

I did some googling after watching your clip, because I wasn't sure if it was a documentary or what. So, for those who don't know: the clip was basically a behind the scenes thing for the drama Water for Elephants.

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I won't watch this movie. The fat American trainers in the clip make me mad.

[spideyv2]

I'm not a tree hugger or anything either but I fucking hate when people abuse animals, shit makes me sick. It's ironic how the movie is based on a student joining the circus as the vet

[1exotic]

Yeah if I was the elephant I'd rip those bitchs and faggots apart, also stomp the old guy to death and eat his body.

[bloodmack]

They're training them. I'm sure if the elephants follow a command well they get treated with a treat. It happens with ALL species, even humans. Sure some of it looks harsh but most animals learn from their mistakes by suffering a consequence. No i don't condone any REAL abuse i.e. dog fighting.

[Timpo]

circus = animal abuse

[ae101]

this is exactly the reason why i never went to the circus when i was a kid cuz my dad never took me there for a reason (he keep saying hes busy) but the truth was my dad was sent to Pakistan for a few years or so to help a company out & the locals took my dad for "some fun", turn out it was show where 3 dogs fight a chained bear

long story short the chained bear slapped all 3 of the dogs died in matter of secs with one slap, thank goodness he never took to the circus & also i was gonna watch the movie base on the plot but now not gonna water it period

ps: should this be in the off topic section

[LiquidTurbo]

Unless you condone animal cruelty.
**Some swearing in video** so be careful if your at work.

More video evidence of movie elephant suffering... on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/23564589)

I am not a green party, or peta activist, but I just don't think that the people that made this movie should be encouraged/supported for doing these kinds of things to animals. Just leave them in the wild were they belong.

You're being a hypocrit if you support the meat industry.
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[Greenstoner]

i wish the elephants stomped on those fuckers one day

[orange7]

didn't know this movie existed until you made this thread.

[dangonay]

circus = animal abuse

Body kits = vehicle abuse.

Fixed.

[Matlock]

I wonder if Weese Ritherspoon is going to receive any flack for being in this movie.
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[Bouncing Bettys]

my favourite elephant story with some elephant justice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foBesIoZRqc

[cressydrift]

You're being a hypocrit if you support the meat industry.
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Everyone is a hypocrit. Unless you live in the forest, on 1x1 pad, sleeping on petemoss and eating huckleberries and pinecones through out your whole life then your a hypocrit.

If you wear nike/addidas have a iphone you support slavery
If you drive a car you support the destruction of the environment
If you smoke, drink, eat mcdonals then you support the destruction of yourself.

You must know, that there are so many FUCKING BAD THINGS in this world its hard not to support any of it. So I made this thread to bring attention to the fact that animals were severley mis-treated in the making of this movie and you can choose to not support by not seeing.

[parm104]

I hope these assholes rot in hell.

On a side note, what proof is there that this is behind the scenes from "Water For Elephants?"

[ShyGuy]

Yes I'd like to see the proof as well. If you guys have seen water for elephants, it does bring to light the issues of animal abuse in the circus.

[shenmecar]

If i were that elephant, I would conspire with my other elephant friends and fuck them up good and run away together.

[Qmx323]

Robert Pattinson is in this movie so that pretty much does it for me in terms of support

:rolleyes:

[The_AK]

I'll probably watch it just because you guys aren't watching it and the film maker needs to recover his losses somehow. I'm d/ling it though...

[BLUETIGER]

why is that elephant in yellow so mean to the other elephants?

[$_$]

They're training them. I'm sure if the elephants follow a command well they get treated with a treat. It happens with ALL species, even humans. Sure some of it looks harsh but most animals learn from their mistakes by suffering a consequence. No i don't condone any REAL abuse i.e. dog fighting.

I don't condone real abuse of animals as well, but sometimes I don't understand why you guys get so upset over certain animals just because they are not the normal kind of animals. So, when you are training a horse to let you ride on their back and go in the direction of your will through physical reinforcements that's not abuse in your eyes? The massacre of animals hourly for food is not abuse?

I'm not going to support this movie, or really any movie that uses animals as entertainment (we just had the circus du solei thing in vancouver with purely horses as entertainment), but I'm not going to be going "that's" wrong because that's how that family chose to train elephants for a living. You might as well condemn farmers for using cows to plow the field (cows don't like to drag shit around for you) and dogs as pets (you need to provide negative reinforcements when they poo on the floor or claw up your carpet).

It just happens so that elephants are huge creatures, and the only way you can reinforce actions is through what appears to you as powerful swings of a stick. Have you guys seen working elephants that work in Cambodia and Thailand? Those elephants carry WHOLE TREES through the jungle.

[t8v6]

just out of curiosity..wtf happened to their tusks? are they removed for safety purposes? or just sold for money?...

[spideyv2]

It's too bad if the elephants decided to fight back and stomp on those fuckers to death they'd probably be put down

[dignatas]

if you hate animal cruelty then you have to see meatvideo.com

It does not make you a hypocrite if you support the food industry. It is the way they treat the animals before death with vicious pain and suffering.

[Bouncing Bettys]

on the hypocrisy of eating meat:
"I think using animals for food is an ethical thing to do, but we've got to do it right. We've got to give those animals a decent life and we've got to give them a painless death. We owe the animal respect."
—Temple Grandin

[dangonay]

If animals don't want to get eaten they should evolve into something that doesn't taste so damn good.

[spideyv2]

if you hate animal cruelty then you have to see meatvideo.com

It does not make you a hypocrite if you support the food industry. It is the way they treat the animals before death with vicious pain and suffering.
I seen the series of videos for this and I agree, the way they kill and treat some of these animals are brutal. Makes me feel guilty everytime I eat a big mac

[GabAlmighty]

I found that treating my dog with respect is how he listened to me the best...

[xilley]

fucking fat white fucks. pisses me off when i see animal cruelty

[Alby]

They're training them. I'm sure if the elephants follow a command well they get treated with a treat. It happens with ALL species, even humans. Sure some of it looks harsh but most animals learn from their mistakes by suffering a consequence. No i don't condone any REAL abuse i.e. dog fighting.

in our society today, there are much better methods in training animals. by your logic, it seems like you are condoning hitting children as well so they can learn from their mistakes by suffering.

[Spidey]

You should watch the Cove then. And boycott basically anything that cages/prevents wild animals to be in their natural environment, unless they are endangered.

I am never going to the Aqarium/zoo after watching the Cove

[AutozamAZ-3]

fucking fat white fucks. pisses me off when i see animal cruelty

white fucks? asian people are no better.
animal cruelty exist everywhere

[xilley]

white fucks? asian people are no better.
animal cruelty exist everywhere

you retarded? are they asian in the video?

[Ronin]

How many of us were really going to watch a movie with that gay vampire dude and Reese Witherspoon?

A period drama/romance? Yeah, I'm sure REVscene members will be lining up for this.

[J____]

just out of curiosity..wtf happened to their tusks? are they removed for safety purposes? or just sold for money?...

they're all female indian elephants. they dont have tusks

[!LittleDragon]

If animals don't want to get eaten they should evolve into something that doesn't taste so damn good.

This is something I agree with you on... What ever happened evolution... survival of the fittest. If a species can't adapt to a changing environment or a new predator then it goes extinct. That's the way nature's worked for millions of years.

[Spidey]

This is something I agree with you on... What ever happened evolution... survival of the fittest. If a species can't adapt to a changing environment or a new predator then it goes extinct. That's the way nature's worked for millions of years.

killing and eating is one thing.. torturing and cruelty is another, jackass. especially since humans have a sense of what is right or wrong and morals, it disgusts me to see how animals are treated. other animals kill and fight for survival and food. very rarely do their prey suffer.

[LiquidTurbo]

killing and eating is one thing.. torturing and cruelty is another, jackass. especially since humans have a sense of what is right or wrong and morals, it disgusts me to see how animals are treated. other animals kill and fight for survival and food. very rarely do their prey suffer.

What kind of fairly tale land do you live in? (NSFW if you're queasy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeuN7YAvdwc

[Spidey]

What kind of fairly tale land do you live in? (NSFW if you're queasy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeuN7YAvdwc

i didn't say it didn't happen, but at least it is justifiable when wild animals do it to survive and aren't castrating their prey and stomping on anothers head... like i said.. humans supposedly have "morals"

[Geoc]

This is something I agree with you on... What ever happened evolution... survival of the fittest. If a species can't adapt to a changing environment or a new predator then it goes extinct. That's the way nature's worked for millions of years.

In that sense of argument, that means someone like hal0g0dv2 can come over and beat you up and burn your house down just because he is stronger than you?

Sorry hal0g0dv2 had to use you there.

[twitchyzero]

yeah this isn't all different than whipping a group of huskies in a dogsled
transportation versus entertainment..still abuse.
and most of them were pretty conservative usage of the hook...only the fat white bitch is really swinging it...considering the elephants size it really isn't all that different than kicking the horse when you are a riding.

It was only painful to watch when they were removing tusks

[Matlock]

The worst video that I have seen would have to be the one in China where thy skin the critters alive for their fur and then throw them stacked on top of each other in a cart. The animals were still alive, but just slowly dying without any skin.
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[dangonay]

i didn't say it didn't happen, but at least it is justifiable when wild animals do it to survive and aren't castrating their prey and stomping on anothers head... like i said.. humans supposedly have "morals"

If you believe that everything you see in that meatvideo is actually how all farms operate then you're very naive.

That video was made by a bunch of vegans with a very specific agenda - to paint all farmers as savages. I grew up on a farm and was around livestock most of my life growing up (including auctions & butchering) and I never once saw anything like what they portrayed.

It would be the same as finding some assholes running a puppy mill, making a video of it, and then saying all people who breed dogs act the same way. Or finding a video of a dog trainer beating a dog and saying all trainers beat their dogs.

[Spidey]

If you believe that everything you see in that meatvideo is actually how all farms operate then you're very naive.

That video was made by a bunch of vegans with a very specific agenda - to paint all farmers as savages. I grew up on a farm and was around livestock most of my life growing up (including auctions & butchering) and I never once saw anything like what they portrayed.

It would be the same as finding some assholes running a puppy mill, making a video of it, and then saying all people who breed dogs act the same way. Or finding a video of a dog trainer beating a dog and saying all trainers beat their dogs.

It obviously doesn't happen everywhere, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in the majority of places due to the fast food chains basically controlling all the meat suppliers. You would be naive to believe this is a dime a dozen. You probably also believe all the produce we eat are pesticide free, and that junk food companies care about the health of their consumers too.

[Spidey]

The worst video that I have seen would have to be the one in China where thy skin the critters alive for their fur and then throw them stacked on top of each other in a cart. The animals were still alive, but just slowly dying without any skin.
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That was fucked up... It was the one showing how they collected/killed mink for fur coats etc...

[bloodmack]

in our society today, there are much better methods in training animals. by your logic, it seems like you are condoning hitting children as well so they can learn from their mistakes by suffering.

I got TONS of spankings when I was younger. It works and gets the job done. Theres a line between abuse and discipline. Most of you don't seem to understand the concept..

[dangonay]

It obviously doesn't happen everywhere, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in the majority of places due to the fast food chains basically controlling all the meat suppliers. You would be naive to believe this is a dime a dozen. You probably also believe all the produce we eat are pesticide free, and that junk food companies care about the health of their consumers too.

Proof it happens in the "majority" of places or STFU. I have visited hundreds of farms over the years and never saw anything like this. How many farms have you visited? Probably none - you're basing your opinion off an obviously biased video.

[Spidey]

Proof it happens in the "majority" of places or STFU. I have visited hundreds of farms over the years and never saw anything like this. How many farms have you visited? Probably none - you're basing your opinion off an obviously biased video.

Farms in canada or in the states.. yes there is a difference. and i never said it happens to the majority. i said i WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED.

there is also a difference between farms that supply for local markets/meatshops and ones that supply stuff for fast food chains where the demands are insane.

You really think just because you didn't see something it didn't happen? who is naive now.

[Spidey]

I got TONS of spankings when I was younger. It works and gets the job done. Theres a line between abuse and discipline. Most of you don't seem to understand the concept..

what your parents did to you is your own business. who are we as humans have any say as to how or if animals get disciplined, especially if it is for profit and entertainment.

this is the exact mentality the US has with regards to other nations around the world, that has gotten them to be enemy no. 1. and what happened , 911. hope someone goes 911 on some of your heartless asses.

[!LittleDragon]

In that sense of argument, that means someone like hal0g0dv2 can come over and beat you up and burn your house down just because he is stronger than you?

Sorry hal0g0dv2 had to use you there.

Well, yeah... rules of nature but generally there's something the others want, not just because they're stronger.

[dangonay]

there is also a difference between farms that supply for local markets/meatshops and ones that supply stuff for fast food chains where the demands are insane.
Really? Since you know so much about farming, then why don't you explain the differences to me.

You really think just because you didn't see something it didn't happen? who is naive now.
Never said that. If I work in an industry and have never seen something happen, that doesn't mean it never happens. However, when some nutjob finds cases in that industry and then tries to promote those cases as "standard procedure" then I'm going to call them on it.

this is the exact mentality the US has with regards to other nations around the world, that has gotten them to be enemy no. 1. and what happened , 911. hope someone goes 911 on some of your heartless asses.
So you stand up for animal rights and then turn around and wish physical harm on another person? Oh the irony.

[Spidey]

So you stand up for animal rights and then turn around and wish physical harm on another person? Oh the irony.

If they condone such practice, I will feel anything but pity for them when karma strikes them in the ass 10 fold. Simple as that.

[Presto]

on the hypocrisy of eating meat:
"I think using animals for food is an ethical thing to do, but we've got to do it right. We've got to give those animals a decent life and we've got to give them a painless death. We owe the animal respect."
—Temple Grandin

I recently saw HBO's Temple Grandin with Claire Danes. It was a great movie that delved into her autism, and how she developed a humane design for the treatment of cattle in processing plants.

[geeknerd]

LOL animal lovers. i laugh at your weakness. 'compassion' is subjective. noobs. if someone gave me a million dollars to torture an animal in the most cruel way i would. many of you guys would too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spidey]

LOL animal lovers. i laugh at your weakness. 'compassion' is subjective. noobs. if someone gave me a million dollars to torture an animal in the most cruel way i would. many of you guys would too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I am sure that if someone paid a stranger enough money, they would throatfuck your mom until she had her last breath....

[Alby]

I got TONS of spankings when I was younger. It works and gets the job done. Theres a line between abuse and discipline. Most of you don't seem to understand the concept..

well, then i do feel sorry for you getting hit on. my parents reasoned with me and that worked and got the job done too.

there are probably better methods to train and educate the elephants than using hooks.

[geeknerd]

And I am sure that if someone paid a stranger enough money, they would throatfuck your mom until she had her last breath....
+1 for another fellow who understands and believes
one's greed can be motivation to do anything and make it 'acceptable' in their mind.

[LiquidTurbo]

If animals don't want to get eaten they should evolve into something that doesn't taste so damn good.

They're only good if you process them.. ie cook them. I've never met anyone who liked to rip meat off dead animals with their teeth like real carnivores.

[LiquidTurbo]

Everyone is a hypocrit. Unless you live in the forest, on 1x1 pad, sleeping on petemoss and eating huckleberries and pinecones through out your whole life then your a hypocrit.

If you wear nike/addidas have a iphone you support slavery
If you drive a car you support the destruction of the environment
If you smoke, drink, eat mcdonals then you support the destruction of yourself.

You must know, that there are so many FUCKING BAD THINGS in this world its hard not to support any of it. So I made this thread to bring attention to the fact that animals were severley mis-treated in the making of this movie and you can choose to not support by not seeing.

First of all, I do support sweat shops, I just don't support their wage.

Second, I fully support so-called 'destruction of the environment' by driving my car. 100%
Further elaboration of my point of view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4


Third absolutely, someone has the right to eat junk food knowing that it is bad for them.


What I do not care for are hypocrits telling me how to be compassionate to a certain species of animal, only to turn a blind eye to the slaughter of other animals by the millions.

I'm tired of hearing shit like "OMG save the dolphins, you MUST watch the COVE!", when they refuse to do anything about the malpractice of things back here at home, then chomp down on a steak.

I basically don't really care for the contents of the video. You're no different than the hordes of people preaching to watch "The Cove".

That being said, unless you're a vegan or some sort of compassionate person who loves ALL animals, then I redact my post.









That being said, it appears that clip is from 2005, and during the MAKING of the movie, no animals were harmed.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/10/elephants-bosses-deny-abuse-claims

Bosses at 20th Century Fox have now addressed the controversy, assuring movie-goers that Tai was not mistreated on the Water For Elephants set.

A statement from the studio reads: "Twentieth Century Fox feels strongly that we have taken every step to ensure that the film, while portraying the perception of animal abuse (often through digital effects), held in utmost importance the proper care and humane treatment of all animals involved in the production. Fox and the filmmakers behind Water for Elephants are disturbed and saddened by the video being circulated that purportedly shows the elephant Tai being mistreated several years ago. We are strongly opposed to violence against animals, humans or any creatures."



"Fox is compelled to point out that this video was not taken during the training for, or production of, our film, and neither Tai nor any other animal performer in the film was harmed in any way during the making of this film."

[quasi]

And I am sure that if someone paid a stranger enough money, they would throatfuck your mom until she had her last breath....

Did you say throatfuck someones mom? I'll do it pro bono.

[Matlock]

LOL animal lovers. i laugh at your weakness. 'compassion' is subjective. noobs. if someone gave me a million dollars to torture an animal in the most cruel way i would. many of you guys would too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would you take it in the ass from a male elephant for a million dollars?

[dinamix]

Did you say throatfuck someones mom? I'll do it pro bono.
+2
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[dangonay]

If they condone such practice, I will feel anything but pity for them when karma strikes them in the ass 10 fold. Simple as that.
There's no such thing as Karma - it's a scientific fact. It's something people made up so they can take some comfort in the hope that people who do "bad things" will somehow suffer themselves later on.

They're only good if you process them.. ie cook them. I've never met anyone who liked to rip meat off dead animals with their teeth like real carnivores.
Why would I eat meat off a carcass if I have the intelligence to process it first?

[LiquidTurbo]

^ you said they shouldn't have evolved to be so tasty.

In reality, they didn't evolve to be so tasty. You we have the intelligence to process the meat to make it tasty, ie, therefore it's normal. But it's not. Humans are not carnivorous at all, we don't have any carnivorous instincts what so ever. Btw, I'm not a vegetarian.

You could apply the same logic to this elephant abuse.. ie they shouldn't have evolved to be subjectable to this abuse so easily, and because we figured out how to control them with nails and electricity, therefore it's normal. Flawed logic.

[Geoc]

I don't see how disciplining your kids or pet physically is same as the matter discussed here. In the case of the elephants, they are being inflicted physical pain and mental damage for the profit of the movie production company. Where as, physically disciplining is done for the benefit of the child (of course that is within reason, if you're beating the shit outta your kid for no reason, or you are putting the kids through discipline similar to Russian special forces, then you are obviously insane).

One possible situation I see comparable to the elephant's situation is human trafficking.

[Spidey]

There's no such thing as Karma - it's a scientific fact. It's something people made up so they can take some comfort in the hope that people who do "bad things" will somehow suffer themselves later on.


Why would I eat meat off a carcass if I have the intelligence to process it first?

It was a figure of speech, Dr.

[blagh]

I've never met anyone who liked to rip meat off dead animals with their teeth like real carnivores.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trpWNZJxRZc

[StylinRed]

Not sure if it's been mentioned

but the video in the OP was from several years ago; the Elephants in the movie were supposedly trained by those people in the OP video

however the Elephants were treated impeccably during the filming of the movie

the American Humane Association even gave FOX their highest award for how all animals were treated on the set

http://www.americanhumane.org/about-us/newsroom/news-releases/in-water-for-elephants.html


In ‘Water for Elephants,’ Safety Stars in the Center Ring: From Large Cats to Larvae, American Humane Association Certifies That ‘No Animals Were Harmed’®

No star too large or small to protect; actor Robert Pattinson notes American Humane Association was even looking after the maggots

LOS ANGELES, April 22, 2011 – From a four-ton elephant to tiny fly larvae, American Humane Association was on the set of “Water for Elephants” ensuring that every animal in the production was treated humanely and kept safe. American Humane Association awarded this 20th Century Fox film its highest rating, “Monitored: Outstanding - ‘No Animals Were Harmed’®.”

“It’s a big endorsement to get from the American Humane Association,” said lead actress Reese Witherspoon. “They’re very conscious of how the animals are treated. They’re on set every day, making sure the animals were provided safe facilities and safe transportation and that they can only work a certain amount of hours. They are just the happiest animals — you can tell!”

Lead actor Robert Pattinson said, "Elephants are the most sophisticated, gentle creatures you could possibly hope to work with.” He noted, “It’s nice to know that there’s a company that literally was [even] looking after the maggots, checking after the maggots being treated right.”

Based on the best-selling novel by Sara Gruen, “Water for Elephants” is about a veterinary student who joins a traveling circus during the Depression era. Among the animals he attends to are horses, lions, tigers, leopards, zebras, llamas and his favorite, Rosie the elephant. Rosie was played by Tai, who lives on a ranch in Southern California. During the day, Tai stayed around her large, custom transport vehicle, free to go in or out as she wished. She worked on-set only a couple of hours at a time and received plenty of breaks for rest, snacks and “calls of nature.” Throughout the entire filming process, an American Humane Association Certified Animal Safety Representative™, Gina Johnson, ensured that Tai received proper treatment. While Tai and her trainer focused on her performance, Johnson diligently monitored the temperature, lighting, other animals, people and other requirements of American Humane Association’s “Guidelines for the Safe Use of Animals in Filmed Media.”

Although the animal abuse scenes in “Water for Elephants” appear intense, no animals were harmed in filming them. The perception of abuse was created using makeup, fake blood, computer-generated images and post-production sound effects. “Tai was never hit in any way at all,” Johnson said. The elephant did witness the actors swinging sticks and yelling loudly, as they acted out the beating scenes; however, even that aspect of the scene was carefully planned and rehearsed so Tai would not feel anxious or afraid. Tai’s trainer gave her constant positive reinforcement, such as a food treat or play time, to motivate her. So what was one of this enormous animal’s favorite motivational treats? A marshmallow!

Read a report from on the set of “Water for Elephants” and a detailed description of how the animal action was achieved safely at http://www.americanhumanefilmtv.org/water-for-elephants/

Behind-the-Scenes Video
Watch a behind-the-scenes video showing how American Humane Association’s Certified Animal Safety Representatives ensured that “No Animals Were Harmed” during the filming of “Water for Elephants,” including clips of the film’s stars, Reese Witherspoon and Robert Pattinson.

About American Humane Association
Since 1877, the historic American Humane Association has been at the forefront of virtually every major advance in protecting children, pets and farm animals from cruelty, abuse and neglect. Today we’re also leading the way in understanding human-animal interaction and its role in society. As the nation’s voice for the protection of children and animals, American Humane Association reaches millions of people every day through groundbreaking research, education, training and services that span a wide network of organizations, agencies and businesses. You can help make a difference, too. Visit American Humane Association at www.americanhumane.org today.

[geeknerd]

Would you take it in the ass from a male elephant for a million dollars?
not sure if srs.....
what a useless question. do u really expect someone to say yes? let alone it be physically possible for it to happen ;;