[b92]

Are they illegal? do you guys that have it usually just hide it? which one is the best one to buy while on budget? thanks

[zulutango]

They are not legal as you have to "obstruct" Police to use them. Criminal code offence, seizure and criminal record if convicted. Laser operators can detect that you are using one.

[hk20000]

legal in BC. Detectors not = jammers.

[zulutango]

Your post is a bit confusing to me??? Radar detectors are legal in BC, Laser jammers are prohibited if used to jam Police Laser operations.

[b92]

so laser detectors are legal, the ones that beep when there is radar gun up ahead?

[hk20000]

yes those are legal. you can buy it from Futureshop and Bestbuy. Someone else chime in on what's good what's not.

[melloman]

I wish they had written a justification on where they received their sources for Canada from, but they give sources to legality in the US.

http://www.1stradardetectors.com/radar-detector-laws.php

This is why I've lately been saying radar detectors AND laser jammers are LEGAL.
Might need to send this website an email to ask for their sources for the legality in BC. :troll:

[melloman]

I'll also add in, detecting laser is nearly impossible. Radar has to be constantly on and bouncing a signal back and forth. Laser is a single motion, they pull the trigger and it hits you within a second, and iwthin that same second they get a reading on your speed.

Radar detectors are worth it, just for the fact that cops are still using radar more then laser right now.

[!LittleDragon]

Don't waste your money. If the laser detector goes off, you're already busted.

[b92]

hmm, mixed info here ppl. they work and they don't work?

[Supafly]

Don't waste your money. If the laser detector goes off, you're already busted.

Do you own one?....I myself have Bell one that I use, and its saved my ass a few times already from people being lasered around me...

[unit]

how does that work? if the laser isnt targeting you how are you picking it up?

[Supafly]

how does that work? if the laser isnt targeting you how are you picking it up?

iirc, if you're close enough i believe you can pick it up?? not entirely clear on the concept but every now and then, i'll get a "laser warning"; it'll go ape shit for a sec or two..then not to far up, i'll spot a patrol car gunning.....:fullofwin:

[sho_bc]

Radar and Laser detectors are legal in BC, however I believe there are several provinces that ban the use of detectors (radar and laser). Even having it mounted is a no-no.

Jammers are illegal.

[originalhypa]

Don't waste your money. If the laser detector goes off, you're already busted.

Not necessarily.
I won't say taht a detector will svae your ass alone. You still need to use your head, especially when dealing with well trained officers like the integrated road safety crew.

Do you own one?....I myself have Bell one that I use, and its saved my ass a few times already from people being lasered around me...

Werd.
I've had traces of radar from the vehicles ahead. Running a 9500ix, I know that if it beeps I better be on edge. Most of the time, it's right.

Jammers are illegal.

They're not jammers. They are actually parking assists, and are marketed as such.

http://www.kmph.ca/products/laser-protection/laser-pro-park-single-head-system.html

It's all based on the interpretation of the law though. While a lawyer could probably get you "off" on a charge of obstruction. I would rather not get into that situation myself...

[crazyazn]

^What he said...technically you could argue your laser jammer is just a parking sensor and they are often marketed that way. Although I'm not sure if the law would be on your side...lol

Also, some detectors detect both radar and laser...but detecting laser is somewhat pointless since by the time it goes off the cop already has your speed. Radar on the other hand is useful because the detector can pick up some traces reflecting off cars in front.

[zulutango]

[QUOTE=melloman;7439827]I'll also add in, detecting laser is nearly impossible. Radar has to be constantly on and bouncing a signal back and forth. Laser is a single motion, they pull the trigger and it hits you within a second, and iwthin that same second they get a reading on your speed.

Actually 60 distance measurements are made in 1/3 of a second. Pretty hard to get slowed downin that time. Laser is only used in stationary mode as the distance that is being measured has to be not increasing or decreasing. Radar can be used in stationary or mobile mode.

[originalhypa]

Laser is a single motion, they pull the trigger and it hits you within a second, and iwthin that same second they get a reading on your speed.

I'm sure you know that the LIDER used by the RCMP is also prone to scatter. This gives drivers with good detectors lots of prior warning. Also, there is a skill to using the LIDAR gun. On a lot of modern vehicles, you're limited to where you can aim the unit to get that proper reflection. Consider that 1/3 second return time is in perfect conditions. I'd prefer to run with a detector, than without regardless.

I see a lot of K and KA band on police cars, and CVSE trucks. In the last 4 years of using a radar detector, I have yet to come across a Laser warning. I'm guessing the cost of a RADAR gun is a lot less than an equivalent laser. I also noticed that the RCMP doesn't do a lot of enforcement by AIR anymore. Did they realized just how expensive that is?

[!LittleDragon]

Do you own one?....I myself have Bell one that I use, and its saved my ass a few times already from people being lasered around me...

Used to have a V1 and it didn't help... lol

[DHP 1]

I'm sure you know that the LIDER used by the RCMP is also prone to scatter. This gives drivers with good detectors lots of prior warning. Also, there is a skill to using the LIDAR gun. On a lot of modern vehicles, you're limited to where you can aim the unit to get that proper reflection. Consider that 1/3 second return time is in perfect conditions. I'd prefer to run with a detector, than without regardless.

I see a lot of K and KA band on police cars, and CVSE trucks. In the last 4 years of using a radar detector, I have yet to come across a Laser warning. I'm guessing the cost of a RADAR gun is a lot less than an equivalent laser. I also noticed that the RCMP doesn't do a lot of enforcement by AIR anymore. Did they realized just how expensive that is?

I thought in the lower mainland they only use KA band, not K band

[bikerx]

they use both ka and k. depends where in the lower mainland you are. atleast thats what i picked up from using my v1 for 3 years

[hk20000]

from what I hear to form a legal speed reading they need to make 2 readings and make sure that the first signal did not bounce off a low flying aircraft or a fast flying bird or what not. I'm not 100% on this.

and if that's true, then there will be 1 or 2 seconds split between them, so if the 2nd reading is under speed limit you will be let away on benefit of the doubt. That's how I got the finger pointing cop on the foot of pattullo bridge after my detector went and I slammed the brakes on the bridge deck.

I have a radar/laser detector and I must say it has saved my ass more times than its MSRP x 10 easy. Even when we are on a strictly laser based speed trap system here.

[4444]

Used to have a V1 and it didn't help... lol

the V1 is a tool, no offense, but if it 'didn't work' you were using it incorrectly

as a tool, they have weaknesses, for example if you are first in traffic, and a cop uses instant on lazer, you're done for, but really that's the only way you'll get caught

i have one, and it has saved me a LOT of times being pulled over

[!LittleDragon]

I find it worked great with radar but not with the laser. I never speed when I'm first in line after the incident. I ultimately sold it because if I'm always following traffic, what do I need the thing for? Blending in with traffic is my best defense.

[Marco911]

They are not legal as you have to "obstruct" Police to use them. Criminal code offence, seizure and criminal record if convicted. Laser operators can detect that you are using one.

The obstruction part is false.

There is no law against broadcasting light. As far as obstruction, officers can write you up a ticket based on their visual estimation of your speed. With LIDAR, the car has to be in the officer's line of sight, so LIDAR jammers do not interfere with the popo.

[Cman333]

so laser detectors are legal, the ones that beep when there is radar gun up ahead?

If your detector picks up LASER, 99% chance you're the one getting busted.

You can pickup RADAR from quite a distance.

They are LEGAL in BC. If any cop tells you in BC they're illegal they're full of shit. I've gotten in arguements with cops over it before. Even had a cop think my air freshner was illegal cuz he thought it was a radar. LOL

It's definitely SHUNNED by the police. So I always just take mine off when a cop is nearby. Sure it's a hassle, but arguing with a power tripping cop and losing your $500+ detector is more of a hassle.

Jammers on the other hand are illegal. Laser "SHIFTERS" apparently are not illegal in BC. But again, to the cops it's all the same. You would have to battle it out in court and possibly hire a lawyer. So would end up costing you MORE than the ticket itself.

Again, these are not meant for people to use them as an excuse to speed or drive wrecklessly. If you're flying down the road doubling the limit thinking you're detector/jammer/shifter will save you, you will learn an expensive lesson and I personally hope you will lose your car.

If you're just a normal speeder (5-10km/h over limit), then sure it helps a bit.

Otherwise if you don't want tickets.... slow down. Pretty simple.

[1BADMR2]

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[BNR32_Coupe]

laser detectors are legal because they basically help remind you that in about 1 second, youll see a police officer step out on the road in the distance and tell you to pull over.

honestly, these detectors dont really benefit unless you're accelerating.

for example, if you're accelerating up to 70 km/h, and have a laser shone at you as youre accelerating, you'll have a bit of time to react to this signal and stop accelerating. of course, if you're accelerating fast, youll have even less reaction time.

another way the laser can help you is if some rays bounce off another vehicle and are picked up by yours. however, the likelyhood of that happening is pretty slim.

if you're cruising at 80 km/h, and a cop lasers you, your laser can beep, dingle, play chamillionaire - rollin, make animal noises, etc. doesn't matter what happens, you're getting a ticket at that point.

if you're the type to evade the police, you'd probably benefit from a jammer. i mean, if youre going to run from the police anyways, which is a serious crime, i doubt that adding an illegal device, such as a laser jammer, would increase your penalty anymore than the act of evasion itself.

so you can see that these detectors only reduce your chances of a ticket by a small fraction. however, not speeding increases your chances significantly, costs nothing, and doesnt get stolen if you leave it in your car overnight

[melloman]

....people don't read.. ANYWAY I'll help the OP out finally..

OP: buy one of the following;
Escort Passport 9500ix
Escort Passport Redline
Escort Passport 9500ci
Valentine One

For laser SHIFTERS (aka. Parking sensors :troll:) you can buy:
Escort Laser Shifter ZR3
Blinder M27 X-TREME
Blinder M47 X-TREME

Now none of these are cheap, everything mentioned is top of the line, so if your thinking of getting a radar detector and laser shift, be expecting to pay upwards of $1000.
Everything mentioned above is 100% LEGAL in BC, yet as mentioned, cops will ass rape you if they see these.. just because.

[Glove]

ive read multiple sources that laser jammers are indeed legal in BC if marketed as parking sensors,

I am seriously considering buying one, the speed limits here are rediculous as is, who else in the world has 80km/h on a highway?

what they say to do is when jamming laser, and your device is going off giving you the alarm, slam on your breaks as hard as you can, when you get down to legal speed, turn the jammer off so the pig gets your reading, which will read legal.

dont be leaving the jammer on all the way through the laser or they will try and get you for sure.

[DHP 1]

how many people actually got harrassed by having the detector on their dash

[TouringTeg]

how many people actually got harrassed by having the detector on their dash

I always wondered about this as well. When I had a radar detector I would always put it away if I was going through a road block.

[melloman]

I don't have a radar detector (YET) but when I owned by Honda Civic, I always got harrassed when going through roadblocks for just being lowered with a moderately loud exhaust. And that didn't harm anyone, I can only imagine if I had a device that hinders they're job, how I would get affected..

[ruthless]

ive read multiple sources that laser jammers are indeed legal in BC if marketed as parking sensors,

I am seriously considering buying one, the speed limits here are rediculous as is, who else in the world has 80km/h on a highway?

what they say to do is when jamming laser, and your device is going off giving you the alarm, slam on your breaks as hard as you can, when you get down to legal speed, turn the jammer off so the pig gets your reading, which will read legal.

dont be leaving the jammer on all the way through the laser or they will try and get you for sure.

^+1 THIS
this is how you are supposed to use laser jammers, and this is how many people use them...

[rageguy]

It's pretty obvious when they aim at your license plate, and gets an error. If they pull you over, they could ask to look under your hood for the light emitters. Sure you can say it's parking sensor, but you will have to fight it in court.

If you are dead set on getting a "parking sensor", the Antilaser G9 is currently rated one of the best. If price is an issue, Blinder M27 works fine too. You should also consider a radar and laser detector. The Valentine 1 is very popular, and so is the Escort Passport line.

[Cman333]

It's pretty obvious when they aim at your license plate, and gets an error. If they pull you over, they could ask to look under your hood for the light emitters. Sure you can say it's parking sensor, but you will have to fight it in court.

If you are dead set on getting a "parking sensor", the Antilaser G9 is currently rated one of the best. If price is an issue, Blinder M27 works fine too. You should also consider a radar and laser detector. The Valentine 1 is very popular, and so is the Escort Passport line.



THey just pull you over and issue a VI. They don't even go looking for it.

Gone through this with many customers.

[TypeRNammer]

Any good deals for the escort 9500ix?
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[Cman333]

If there's enough interest I'm sure I could arrange some sort of group buy.

But again, please don't use these as an excuse to drive wrecklessly.



I had a customer with a new M3 (back in 2003), we put in the bumper mount radar/laser detector thinking it was a cop detector. Within 2 hours he got a ticket and game back bitching about it not working. We ended up putting in a laser shifter a few days later. He ended up getting ANOTHER ticket for a VI.


Some people just have to learn the hard way.

[Cman333]

how many people actually got harrassed by having the detector on their dash

I've never been pulled over purposely for it. Usually get hassled at roadblocks about it before when I used to leave it on the window.

[zulutango]

BMR 32 Coupe, you are not correct when you say.."for example, if you're accelerating up to 70 km/h, and have a laser shone at you as youre accelerating, you'll have a bit of time to react to this signal and stop accelerating. of course, if you're accelerating fast, youll have even less reaction time."

The Laser unit takes 60 distance measurements between your vehicle and the Laser unit in 1/3 of a second. It is not humanly possible to get a reading, react and slow down in 1/3 of a second.

Laser jammers/shifters/garage door openers whatever, are all illegal and you can be charged under the criminal code for obstruction and the unit will be seized as evidence. Laser and Radar detectors are legal in BC but not in several other provinces and US states.
Obstructing Police
It is a crime in Canada to resist or intentionally obstruct a police officer in the lawful execution of his duty.

What is the definition of “obstruction”?
The definition of "obstruction" that has generally been applied by the court occurs when a person makes it more difficult for the police to carry out their duties. It is generally not an defence to argue that the police were eventually able to carry out their duties despite the attempt to obstruct them from doing so.

What does the Crown Attorney need to prove to show a person obstructed the police?
The Crown must first prove that there was an obstructing of a police officer. They must also prove that the police officer was acting pursuant to a lawful purpose. Next the Crown must prove that the obstructing affected the officer in the execution of a duty that he was then executing, and lastly they must prove that the person who obstructed the officer did so intentionally.


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[crazyazn]

in for the radar detector GB lol

[TypeRNammer]

in for the radar detector GB lol

If the price is right lol.

currently eBay sells them for 500 USD shipped to the states before taxes.
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[JordanLee]

I swear by my 9500ix but it is common sense to just go with the traffic around you. It's alerted me to KA band radar countless times up ahead and sometimes ghost cars leave them on on the highway.

Video of how and what happens when you use a Blinder M27 system paired with a 9500ix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e4Su5EnaZM

My video I took of a KA trap on UBC highway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5tfY5ZvyAU

[temp55]

Get the valentine one!

[Avery]

Valentine One , i haven't got a ticket in over a year since i got it and previously i have had several...

[JordanLee]

The thing with the V1 is that because theres no GPS you get a ton of K band falses due to door openers etc. Atleast the 9500ix can mute/lockout falses, it even learns them as you drive by it 3 consecutive times. In a rural city a V1 would be great with a lot of highway driving but commuting in the lower mainland and city a lot will yield quite a few falses.

[GG]

Just got my 9500ix and im absolutely loving it, it has redeem itself for the past 3 weeks already.


Definitely worth it especially with the new gay ass law




However do you guys mount near the bottom of the windshield? or ...?


at first i mounted on the bottom, however i just got it hardwired and i put it just a little bit below the rear view mirror.


Will that affect the signal strength? In the manual all it states is that the detector needs a clear view of the sky in order for the GPS TO WORK, doesnt say anything about obstructing the laser beam

[urban.boi]

I've been using the 9500ix for 4 years now, saved me couple of times and numerous times down in the States. But lately beginning to notice that if newer cars are equipped with side assist / adaptive cruise controls that my K band reading starts going off.
Maybe it's time for me to upgrade to the redline or passport iQ.

[DHP 1]

^

i dont think upgrading to redline will do any good, other than going off like crazy driving in the city.


Remember 9500ix is 2 miles range, while redline is 3 miles range. Furthest radar detector ever made. Unless you live down in the states, our hwy is not really a hwy compare to US.

[Cman333]

Any good deals for the escort 9500ix?
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Not much discount on this stuff. Probably around $<499. Not really anything huge.

MSRP $599CAD, $499 USD

Currently at Visions for $550.

[melloman]

Yup 9500ix is damn expensive new still.
And yes, the Redline is only a upgrade when it comes to range. Also don't qoute me but I think I remember reading that the Redline doesn't store the information, like false alerts?

Something to consider for city driving.

[Glove]

that video posted with the jammer / detector combo is awsome,

thats exactly what I want, 1 thousand dollars, and immunity to speeding tickets.

[ruthless]

Just got my 9500ix and im absolutely loving it, it has redeem itself for the past 3 weeks already.


Definitely worth it especially with the new gay ass law




However do you guys mount near the bottom of the windshield? or ...?


at first i mounted on the bottom, however i just got it hardwired and i put it just a little bit below the rear view mirror.


Will that affect the signal strength? In the manual all it states is that the detector needs a clear view of the sky in order for the GPS TO WORK, doesnt say anything about obstructing the laser beam

I believe the higher up the detector is mounted the better it is...most people have it mounted on top of the rear view mirror, so your locations should be okay

[hi-revs]

for mainly city driving in and around vancouver, which one would be better without all the false alarms?
I hear that V1 is "the best" with good range, but from what i understand, theyre good for mainly highway driving.

Im thinking of the 9500ix, x50, or V1

[originalhypa]

thats exactly what I want, 1 thousand dollars, and immunity to speeding tickets.

Agreed.
one time getting caught going 40 over, and it will cost you double that amount. And regardless of what the officer said earlier, I'll take my chances with a detector, rather than without.

Im thinking of the 9500ix, x50, or V1

X50 isn't even in the same league as the others. It's a great unit, but not the caliber of your other choices.

I like my 9500ix. It takes a bit to set up for your needs, but once it's done it's a great unit. I get a head's up now, which when combined with defensive driving, should keep me safe from the "man".

:fuckyea:

[MG1]

I thought we discussed this topic already somewhere else.

Radar and Laser detectors are legal in BC.

Radar, let me repeat, radar, jammers are illegal.

Laser jammers are legal.

Laser jammer is not the same as a radar jammer. Laser jammer is legal in BC, but radar jammer is not. Saying it again, in case there is still confusion.

Laser jammers are legal in BC.

Radar jammers are not legal in BC and in just about every jurisdiction.

I have no idea why radar jammers are illegal, while laser jammers are not. Probably has something to do with radar frequencies disrupting more than just radar equipment.

BTW, I totally love my 9500ix.

[zulutango]

And let me repeat....Laser jammers are not legal in BC and you are subject to a criminal code obstruct PO charge if you use it and get caught....but then what do I know...except I was just part of the obstruction charge that was laid and a conviction was registered....and the Cops know you are using a jammer because the Laser unit display a certain error message when it's being jammed.

[MG1]

as mentioned previously by another member, use the jammer to gain the extra time you need to adjust your speed. Being hit by laser gives you little to no time to react. The jammer gives you that split second to slow down.

So what's the "certain" error message that shows up on the unit?

[zulutango]

Trade secret. If I tell you, the Predident will disavow any knowledge of me or my mission. Sorry. :(

Being hit by the laser cannot give you time to react...the reading is taken in 1/3 of a second.

[MG1]

Trade secret. If I tell you, the Predident will disavow any knowledge of me or my mission. Sorry. :(

Being hit by the laser cannot give you time to react...the reading is taken in 1/3 of a second.

What if the police officer doesn't have deadly accurate aim........ you guys must have a few Bieksa's on the force. I've picked up strays and reflections many times.

If you're the only one on the road, you are basically toast.



You mentioned remote garage door opener. Do those things jam signals?


EDIT: nvm, just googled it........... I have my answer.

[zulutango]

Unless you are riding directly in front of/behind a second bike and you were almost touching, the Laser is designed to pick out single vehicles. Red target dot is visible in the middle of the 'scope on top of the Laser unit. Look thru the 'scope, place dot on target and pull trigger. 1/3 of a second later you have the reading.

[MG1]

Speaking of the V1 detector, does it detect red light and speed cameras? When I was in Seattle, my 9500ix warned me of a speed camera location. Sure enough, there it was. Never had such a warning before. Are there any speed cameras in the Lower Mainland?

I think the 9500ix with its GPS based system has the advantage over the V1 in this area.

[exhil]

I just picked up V1 today
Its been detecting alot of burglar alarm. I havent got through red light camera and cops yet. However I did pass the police station, radar went on like mad lol.
Give me couple of days for me to test this out.

here's a great example of V1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaC77ZkkY_8

[Shorn]

I have the passport 9500ix, and it's saved my ass a few times.
I found when it detects X band it is mostly false alarms, K band is 50 50, and Ka band is definitely a cop.
I'm kind of divided over the usefulness of the GPS function, the first few times it told me about red light cameras was cool.. But gets annoying after a while. Besides, its not like I even intend to run the lights if there WASN'T a camera.. haha

[JordanLee]

^ I turn X band off completely. You can also turn off Red Light Camera warnings off as well.

I find marked cars leave K band radar on while they're driving or stationary etc. Whereas unmarked cars usually have KA on. Also all the radar I've found shot in BC is KA.

Zulutango: Care to share how the systems work as to which gun is chosen and why KA or K goes off while police cars are on duty?

exhil: The V1 wont alert to anything Red Light Camera related.

[TypeRNammer]

^ I turn X band off completely. You can also turn off Red Light Camera warnings off as well.

I find marked cars leave K band radar on while they're driving or stationary etc. Whereas unmarked cars usually have KA on. Also all the radar I've found shot in BC is KA.

Zulutango: Care to share how the systems work as to which gun is chosen and why KA or K goes off while police cars are on duty?

exhil: The V1 wont alert to anything Red Light Camera related.

Guess I should turn off the X-Band too.

Your video convinced me to pick up a 9500ix :fuckyea:

[Shorn]

9500ix meet? :fuckyea:

[MG1]

9500ix meet? :fuckyea:

So we can download each other's databases?

When I first got the 9500ix (when it first came out) I was under the impression, or led to believe, this was possible. Is it?

[Shorn]

I don't know but here's the manual so you can find out: http://www.escortradar.com/pdf/9500ixOwnersManual.pdf

make sure to let us know after !

[MG1]

Who here, with 9500ix radar detectors, subscribes to updates?

I've been putting it off, because like most of you, I don't run red lights. It's amazing how the 9500ix has actually slowed me down/changed my driving habits. Weird, huh?

[GG]

I just picked up V1 today
Its been detecting alot of burglar alarm. I havent got through red light camera and cops yet. However I did pass the police station, radar went on like mad lol.
Give me couple of days for me to test this out.

here's a great example of V1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaC77ZkkY_8

now mounting on the top provides better range? also i thought you are suppose to mount RIGHT in the center? at least thats what the manual said for 9500ix

[Glove]

obviously zulutango is going to constantly post,

illigal, dont do it, we will get you, blah blah blah,

just stop posting please,

we are here discussing how to use them effectively, and how to avoid tickets, if your not going to use your knowledge to help avoid tickets, then why post?

you spewing illigal every 2 posts isnt going to stop people from doing what they want to do,

there are certan guns that will give jam warnings,

there are ALSO jammers that bypass the warnings.

and if you have the jammer on, the laser will give no reading, it doesnt "delay it" for a couple seconds, it will just leave the gun blank.

just youtube laser jammer and watch all the video's

even if they do give you a VI,

better than losing your lisence or a 500 dollar ticket + points

[melloman]

I think I'd rather get a $500 ticket then a Box 1 VI.

Why.....? Maybe because of the tow fee, impound fee, ticket fee, you sometimes have to go to THEIR choice of inspectors, if you do the inspector is sometimes a complete PAIN.. And a VI can sometimes cost you more the a ticket and some points.

Only thing worse would be to lose your license..

Ticket > VI > License.

And from what I've read, zulutango is correct that lasers are pretty acurate. The jammers do help and give you about 5 seconds to slam on your brakes and hit the kill switch while the cop is confused :troll: on why he got a "error" message. But ya, next to no time..

[abdulclamwacker]

Do you own one?....I myself have Bell one that I use, and its saved my ass a few times already from people being lasered around me...

:fuckyea:

It works for catching traps. Providing you don't drive like a dumbass.

[hi-revs]

Which one is actually better from experienced owners whove used them? Valentine 1 or Escort 9500ix. OR wait for the escort redline?
Mainly for city use... Pros and Cons of each?

[MG1]

I think a GPS based radar detector, like the 9500ix has the advantage.

Some of the 9500ix's features

Able to manually mark known false locations.
Ability of the unit to automatically remember false readings via GPS
Ability to adjust the radar's sensitivity to your vehicle's speed (Hwy -->City)
Warning of Red Light camera locations (GPS)
Warning of Speed Camera locations (GPS)
Ability to download updates of database.

I don't care how many freaking "bogey's" there are out there, or where the hell they are, for that matter. I would much rather have a unit that will take away false readings caused by microwaves, automatic door openers, etc.

More and more red light and speed cameras being installed. GPS based detector is the only way to go, IMHO.

[exhil]

I kinda wish I got passport escort 9500ix....anyone wanna trade for my V1? :P

[TypeRNammer]

I kinda wish I got passport escort 9500ix....anyone wanna trade for my V1? :P

how much did you get your V1 anyways?

[GG]

i dont know why in ANYONES right mind would they even consider V1


when passport 9500ix > out powers it in every single god damn way, except the stupid arrows. Which is absolutely useless, u hear ur radar beeping, slow the fuck down. Simple as 1,2,3

v1 is $400 USD


9500 is $500 USD

i just got mine this month and so far im loving it, no annoying false alarm going off like a mad cow. You can manually mute it forever if you know its a false alarm, or it automatically remembers it if you are lazy.

[TypeRNammer]

The only thing that annoyed me was the red light camera warning.

Good thing there's a function to turn it off :)

[originalhypa]

Unless you are riding directly in front of/behind a second bike and you were almost touching, the Laser is designed to pick out single vehicles.

And what distance do you take your readings at?
Because the last time i checked, there was a 3' spread on the laser beam at 1km. Since light won't stop, it will grow to double that size at 2km, which is where my 9500ix will begin to read. And I assure you, at 2km my spread is so wide it will pick up a laser or radar signal coming from any direction.

So nowadays you tough guys are being taught to take a reading at about 400m to decrease the amount of laser spread. But unless I'm the only one on the road, I'm going to get signals and know you're hunting km's in advance. Explain that. Although I know you're not going to, because you're a boyscout drinking the RCMP Kool Aid.

I know you're on the other team, and need to promote just how effecient you are at taking menaces like us off the road. What frustrates me is that you know the limitations, and yet you attempt to hide them from us. Typical cop, high on power, with a partial stiffy everytime you think of your "piece". Why can't you be more like Dave B. Thomas? Oh yeah, because he left the force due to horrible management and incompetant officers.

Finally, don't get me started on the public's view of the police. I bet in some areas that it's about as high as the public view of the Hell's Angels.

[zulutango]

Nice to see you deleted some of the profanity from your post by the time it got posted here. Obscenity never impresses or strengthens the validity of a point of view.
Life is difficult enough without carrying the huge burden of a chip the size of the one you are carrying on your shoulder. You're going to drive the way you choose to drive and nothing I say will change that. That is your choice. The question some may ask is why you are not willing to accept the consequences?

[originalhypa]

Because the consequences are bullshit.
I'm deemed a criminal at a certain speed allowing you to take my assets?
Assets gained legally, I remind you. At speeds that should be considered low? Like the 50kmh limit on the Golden Ears bridge? Or the 50kmh limit on SW Marine through the flat lands? My car can stop from 100kmh in about 120'. That's 8 car lengths! Am I blind? Or too dumb to see 8 car lengths ahead of me? You guys sure think so...

Sure, there are issues with speeding, and I know that accidents happen. The truth is that your team hasn't changed to adapt to what's happening in the auto world. How is it that auto safety has increased ten fold, with ABS, stability control, and now cars that park themselves? Yet the 50kmh limit, a speed limit brought in around the late 60's still stands? What about 80-90km on the highway prior to construction? Are you honestly telling me that modern day vehicles should be following the rules established when drum brakes, poor alignment setting, and bias ply tires were standard equipment?

Give me a break.....

As for my profanity, I'm sick and tired of boyscouts like you promoting how tough the cops are, and how you will be tossed in jail if you cross them. When did the police become the bully?

I will accept the consequences if and/or when they come.

When will you accept that we're not all a bunch of drooling retards that need the likes of you and your gang to hold our hands through life?

[melloman]

originalhypa: I agree with most of what you said. Yet there only 1 issue.

Compared to other places in the world (lets say, Europe and US) our speed limits are very low. Yet in Europe it's 10x harder to get a license, so people who drive over there, actually understand half the shit their doing.

The US has higher speed limits, yet also have higher fines. I'm not talking points, or impounds or anything. But in MA & PA I hear people complaining all the time that 40+ over the limit is about $1600. In some states you get jail time for excessive speeds. I don't know how hard it is to get a license in the US so I can't really compare that.

Yet here, we have stupid low speed limits & stupidly enforced laws. Yet more then 50% of our population that drives are COMPLETE MORONS. Yesterday on my commute home I watched an SUV almost plow into a Corolla because the women driving the Corolla "forgot" to come to a complete stop at a stop-sign. Rolled into said intersection where the SUV's turn was to go, and almost took out her front corner. I see potential for atleast 1 accident per day on my commute, and it's only 17km each way.

Coles notes:
Make the driving tests harder so idiots can't get licenses.
Less idiots driving = safer roads

[Toeknee]

Would anyone consider getting the Cobra iRadar? It's sleek and low profile, and the iphone (which assumes you would dock it onto your dash) shows all the useful information like 9500ix (I think)

I would like it mainly because I wouldn't have to worry about taking it off and hiding it each time I park my car

[originalhypa]

originalhypa: I agree with most of what you said. Yet there only 1 issue.

Compared to other places in the world (lets say, Europe and US) our speed limits are very low. Yet in Europe it's 10x harder to get a license, so people who drive over there, actually understand half the shit their doing.

So rather than educate the bad drivers in BC, we punish them financially for their stupidity?

Why is it so easy to get your license in BC?
Because it makes it easier for the police to collect "road tax".

The US has higher speed limits, yet also have higher fines. I'm not talking points, or impounds or anything. But in MA & PA I hear people complaining all the time that 40+ over the limit is about $1600. In some states you get jail time for excessive speeds. I don't know how hard it is to get a license in the US so I can't really compare that.

:rolleyes:
Where in the US?
There are 50 states. Pick one and it's laws, then we'll talk. You mention PA and MA. How about Montana and Texas where the limits are high. In Texas they recently brought in an idea that would allow "good" drivers to pay for the right to speed.

Yet here, we have stupid low speed limits & stupidly enforced laws. Yet more then 50% of our population that drives are COMPLETE MORONS. Yesterday on my commute home I watched an SUV almost plow into a Corolla because the women driving the Corolla "forgot" to come to a complete stop at a stop-sign. Rolled into said intersection where the SUV's turn was to go, and almost took out her front corner. I see potential for atleast 1 accident per day on my commute, and it's only 17km each way.

Darwinism will kick in soon enough, and that woman will have an accident once she finds someone as dumb as she is. Not only that, but her insurance will go up. It's only a matter of time before the truly dangerous will simply be pulled off the road. I have numerous encounters everyday, yet no one focusses on the person who avoided the accident. I'd say props to the SUV driver, while slapping the Corolla c-lai in the face.


Coles notes:
Make the driving tests harder so idiots can't get licenses.
Less idiots driving = safer roads

If we do that, zulutango won't have a job to do.
Then maybe he'll have to go after real criminals as opposed to the soccer mom going 15 over.

[Great68]

To be fair the Zulutango doesn't create the laws...

They're created by retarded MLA's that have no clue other than to make knee-jerk reactions to appease a general public that thinks that your car will burst into a nuclear explosion and kill everyone on the highway if you cross that magical 40km/h mark.

I would have no problem with the law if it were written to use the officer's discretion (I honestly believe that there are some good officers out there that still have it) on when to impound based on things like Traffic conditions, weather conditions, road conditions etc... I do think that someone doing 80 in a school zone should have their pee-pee smacked HARD. I DON'T think someone doing 150 on a deserted highway out in the boonies should have their car towed. I want to slap the MLA's who can't see the major differences between those two scenarios in the face.

[zulutango]

"If we do that, zulutango won't have a job to do."

Actually I do not have that job to do anymore. I teach drivers/riders how to be more skilled in their cars and on motorcycles. I use my past experiences in crash investigation as discussion starters in my courses. Helps to let new drivers know what the consequences of their actions can lead to. It's up to them to make the correct choices.


Then maybe he'll have to go after real criminals as opposed to the soccer mom going 15 over.

Ah yes...the "why are you not catching real criminals" rant.
More people are injured or die in vehicle crashes than are ever murdered or beaten to the same extent. Number one cause of death in under 25's is vehicle crashes. The laws of physics don't care if you are nice or naughty. If you exceed them, you crash. People who damage property, kill and injure other people are criminals under the law.

Most Cops use discretion in issuing tickets. You wouldn't want them to write every charge they witnessed in an encounter. Everyone has a point of view and a perspective based on what they have seen in their lives. Because yours does not match mine does not make either of us wrong just because of that alone. As a closing thought, if you are willing to accept the consequences if/when they come, why do you use a Radar/Laser dectector? As an abstract thought here...If you were really willing, you would not use them and you would willingly take any tickets you got wouldn't you ?

[GG]

THose that decides to use radar not because we dont wonna take responsibilities of our action, but it is simply we refuse to accept such bs law.


Honestly any modern cars doing 110-120km i dont see it being a threat to the society. Again i Have absolutely no problem and in fact, i encourage law enforcements to be more strict in areas like playground, parks, and school zone. Why? becuz kids dont know any better, and we cant blame them for being naive. Kids will always be kids, therefore stay alert, drive slow thru these areas.

There are many places in the lower mainland that has messed up speed limite. Barnet hwy, lougheed hwy, Hwy no.1 , New westminster section...30km? like for real? it should be the standard city limit which is 50km


BEcuz a retarded law is made, therefore the police has to enforce it. That doesnt mean 99% of the people on the road thinks its fair or somewhat reasonable.

I have no problem paying a fine, like someone described above. US has higher speed limit, and those that speeds above, well you pay a higher fine.

Id take a higher fine > towing my god damn property + impound in a shitty area and god knows what is happening to my vehicle with all the shitty tow drivers that dont give a damn about others.


There are many nights where i drive really late on the weekend, 1am, 2am, 3am where there are hardly less than half a dozen of vehicles running in the entire 1-2km. And lets get real here, who the hell in their right mind drives 80km when there is barely any cars. IT seems like im crawling like a turtle.


If the excuse is construction, you gotta be kidding me. You think it will raise it to 110-120km as a standard speed limit after all these constructions are over?? it'd be back to 90km, which is still useless in the first place. This is 2011, not 1980

[originalhypa]

To be fair the Zulutango doesn't create the laws...

that is true and easy to forget.
He does represent the "man" well though, thus a perfect target for my rant.

"If we do that, zulutango won't have a job to do."

Actually I do not have that job to do anymore. I teach drivers/riders how to be more skilled in their cars and on motorcycles. I use my past experiences in crash investigation as discussion starters in my courses. Helps to let new drivers know what the consequences of their actions can lead to. It's up to them to make the correct choices.

fair enough.
That's actually a good use of your skills, mainly because it's focussed on education, rather than enforcement.

Then maybe he'll have to go after real criminals as opposed to the soccer mom going 15 over.

Ah yes...the "why are you not catching real criminals" rant.
More people are injured or die in vehicle crashes than are ever murdered or beaten to the same extent. Number one cause of death in under 25's is vehicle crashes. The laws of physics don't care if you are nice or naughty. If you exceed them, you crash.

Again, this is a fair statement to make. However, taken from injurybc.com I see that there is a strong correlation between young drivers, and crashes.

Motor Vehicle Collisions in British Columbia

Did you know...

There are approximately 400 deaths due to motor vehicle crashes in BC each year.

The age group with the greatest percentage of deaths are those aged 15-24 years, representing over 25% of deaths.

There are approximately 36 deaths due to motorcyclist collisions with vehicles each year. Those aged 20-29 years are at greatest risk.

There are approximately 66 deaths per year due to motor vehicle collisions with pedestrians each year. Those aged 75-84 years are at greatest risk.

There are approximately 4,200 hospitalizations due to motor vehicle crashes in BC each year.

The age group with the greatest percentage of hospitalizations are those aged 15-24 years, representing 23% of deaths.

There are approximately 700 motorcyclist injuries that require hospitalization each year. Those aged 20-24 years are at greatest risk.

There are approximately 600 injured pedestrians that require hospitalization each year. Those aged 15-19 years are at greatest risk.

You can see the problem isn't with people like myself, but with the youth. So why make these strong generalizations like you did below?


People who damage property, kill and injure other people are criminals under the law.

I can't argue that.
But since when did going over the limit, automatically mean I'm going to kill and injure?

And suddenly going 40 over the limit in an area with a low speed limit like the many listed in the above post means that I can no longer control my vehicle at speed?

That's garbage.
The last time I checked, one was innocent until proven guilty in this country, and it is in our basic Canadian right to have access to justice. What justice is being done when you tow away someone going over the limit in those areas without allowing them to defend themselves. That just shows that the law is simply, black and white.

Most Cops use discretion in issuing tickets. You wouldn't want them to write every charge they witnessed in an encounter. Everyone has a point of view and a perspective based on what they have seen in their lives. Because yours does not match mine does not make either of us wrong just because of that alone.

Thank you for this. I actually thought about this last night, about my argument and what I would want if I was in charge. On one hand, I don't want to have my car taken away because I held the throttle for literally more than 5 seconds. On the other hand, I don't want some jackass in his mom's G35 to plow into my wife picking the kids up from school.

So what can be done about the situation?


As a closing thought, if you are willing to accept the consequences if/when they come, why do you use a Radar/Laser dectector? As an abstract thought here...If you were really willing, you would not use them and you would willingly take any tickets you got wouldn't you ?

The answer is simple, and you said it yourself.

Everyone has a point of view and a perspective based on what they have seen in their lives.

I don't want to take my chances on getting a "cool" cop.
The repercussions, aside from the chance of an accident, are just too high.



That said, I thank you for calmly reading my rant, and accepting my point of view. That alone proves to me that some of you have a good head on your shoulders.

cheers.
:thumbsup:

[zulutango]

Cheers to you too. As my wife tells me...I'm entitled to her opinion...actually she doesn't really tell me that...but it is survival mode for married men to know that. You see I have been trained by a professional.:D

[CanadaGoose]

My escort passport 8500 X50 is dated now, but still puts a smile on my face

Was going a steady 200-210 (in mexico, on a track lol) when it went off, threw down the anchors but still got ticketed for 130 in a 110 zone, had no warning at all, like i was the first person he targeted :speechless:

time for an upgrade soon. Most likely the 9500ix, or escort redline, just have to figure out which is better suited for me, i have no use for it within the city

it's a game really, like cat and mouse - because there's a time and place to speed. It IS possible to speed responsibly, everyone knows it, even the man does, though he'll never admit it

[Shorn]

^
how did you get ticketed while on a track? i'm confused.. haha.

[1BADMR2]

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[SkinnyPupp]

I've only gotten one speeding ticket in my life, and it was when I had a detector installed. It went off all right - right when the cop was reading my speed.

Eventually I just stopped using it, and threw it away. If you drive reasonably you shouldn't need a detector.

[Acuracura]

If a Police Officer uses the laser properly there will be little to no warning for your laser detector to pick up a signal. It's only when there's a lazy cop out there that you will pick up back ground signal to set off your detector.


PROPER WAY TO LASER A CAR:

1) Visually observe cars using your eyes. Look for one thats speeding and make a visual estimate. Signs such as it's passing other cars is a good indicator.

2) After you have the visual estimate, use the laser to CONFIRM the speed. Targeting only that specific car. Keep within a distance that you are comfortable with. If you're lasering a car at 1km away then yes that beam will be huge and likely not possible without a tripod and zoom anyways. If you're only lasering cars at a distance of 400 meters or closer it's much easier to stay on target and not have give your location away to other drivers.

3) Pull the car over.


If you have a lazy cop that zaps every car on the road then yes your laser detector will probably go off givng you a good amount of warning time to slow down. If the cop is patient and just singles cars out there is very little stray laser beams flying around for your detector to detect until it's too late.

[JordanLee]

Thought I'd bump this thread and post this video:

Anyone else have some good stories to share?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RclGyfrBorU&feature=player_embedded

[1exotic]

I read that the V1 is more sensitive and can get annoying when using it in the city... lots of false alarms.

anyone have any experience to share with the V1?


Debating between the 9500ix and Bel STI radar/laser detector to buy as of now.

[mac25]

wowwww jordan, that was far!

just a thought, if one was using the veil cover paint on their car and a lazer detector, would it not be possible to slow down in time? i don't beleive a "jamming" warning would go off on the gun because the car in question is defusing the beam, like a prism scatters light, in multiple directions and not back to the gun. this is not the same as overpowering the gun laser with a higher output car mounted laser jammer. in this way would it not just look like the operator of the lazer wasn't hitting the sweet spots on the car until they came within the range that the veil is no longer capable of scattering the laser gun?

of course this stuff would actually have to work, but i've seen some use of it on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LozF1tHr-qk&feature=fvst

[godwin]

Another thing to consider before purchasing any speed reader detector is your car itself:

1. Does it have a large cross sections eg headlights. Large cross section means you are giving the cops a larger target (especially stationary speed traps).
2. How is your glass? If you drive a run of the mill civic, the laser detection will be better than say a C class with sekurit windows. For laser the glass performance makes a huge difference.

eg when the V1 in my X5, it can't read any laser scatters coming from the rear.. vs my M5.

My rule of the thumb is speed only when you know the road. If you don't know where and when the speed traps are, you don't know the road.