[twitchyzero]

Preparations are being made for a possible postal strike as early as May 24, the Canadian Union of Postal Workers says.

The union said in a statement Wednesday that it and Canada Post remain far apart on many issues, including wages for new employees and a proposed sick plan that it says is inferior. Negotiations are still ongoing, however.

The union will be able to exercise its right to strike and Canada Post its right to lock out at midnight on May 24. Both sides have to give three days notice of their intention to strike or lockout. The collective agreement expired on Jan. 31.

Cheques for pensioners and social assistance recipients will still be delivered regardless, the union said.

Volunteers from the union will deliver federal Canada Pension Plan, Old Age Security and child benefits cheques, as well as provincial social assistance cheques in Quebec, Ontario, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the Northwest Territories.

The B.C. government has said it will mail out income assistance cheques one week early on May 18 rather than May 25 to ensure they arrive.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/05/18/canada-post-postal-workers-strike.html

would it be as bad as Translink or CoV waste collections strike?

[b0unce. [?]]

omg what will we do without canada post lol

[TheNewGirl]

I know this seems trivial to a lot of people. But this is a REAL bitch for a lot of us in Small Business.

Many companies can not receive electronic payments. Many customers can not receive faxed statements. Many of us actually really heavily rely on the post.

[Chronix]

they seem to have a strike every other year

[twitchyzero]

^ really? Never noticed..was a full lock-out with no service? or perhaps it only lasted a week?

edit: another article said their last strike was in 1997 that lasted two weeks.

[Supafly]

they seem to have a strike every other year

You sir have no idea what you are talking about....

Also, YOU'RE a fucking Moron.

[Razor Ramon HG]

If they go on strike, won't there be a giant mess of mail to be sorted when they come back?
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[7seven]

would it be as bad as Translink or CoV waste collections strike?

No where near as bad. It'll affect some small businesses and people that rely on gov't assistant cheques.

Personally it won't affect me at all, I get all my statements electronically now, payments by direct deposit/wires, for filming we use private couriers to send dailies between studios and at the brokerage firm the majority of our clients have opted for electronic delivery of statements and confirms now.

[Supafly]

No where near as bad. It'll affect some small businesses and people that rely on gov't assistant cheques.

Personally it won't affect me at all, I get all my statements electronically now, payments by direct deposit/wires, for filming we use private couriers to send dailies between studios and at the brokerage firm the majority of our clients have opted for electronic delivery of statements and confirms now.

same with our company....we use private couriers for all of our mail. Easily tracked. Can't trust canada post with sensitive material.

btw, DHL got bought out a week ago....

If canada post goes on strike, the only thing that would affect me is my samples from PG....

[Meowjin]

shit i get alot of stuff delivered by and from canada post. and my pension cheques come from canad post. :(

[Jsunu]

I wouldn't say that this strike is trivial because it doesn't affect you personally. It affects a crazy amount of buisnesses/people and it will create a giant backlog.

[TheNewGirl]

Yeah. I'll go from spending 3 - 5 days a month dealing with receivables to probably closer to 10 if I have to individually notify everyone, given our system is not set up to deal with email. So all of that will have to be done manually.

I'm not a fan of this at all. :(

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

communication should be a necessary service that shouldnt be allowed to strike.

like law enforcement and other similar things. these things are necessary for our society to function properly.

[Teriyaki]

shit i get alot of stuff delivered by and from canada post. and my pension cheques come from canad post. :(

This is why I have mine set up for direct deposit (not pension, but all government cheques are the same). You get your money one day earlier too.

[twitchyzero]

No where near as bad. It'll affect some small businesses and people that rely on gov't assistant cheques.



they claimed they will issue social assistance cheques in advance this month and possibly get volunteers to send out future cheques if need be.

[TheKingdom2000]

I know this is bad, especially having this mentality..

But, the first thing I thought about was a further delay of my Stella stuff that I ordered :moderatorban:


On another note, I always figured the postal workers get paid pretty well. Especially for doing such a simple task especially when they don't need any education. My friend worked for Canada Post two summers ago and got paid $16.XX starting for working in the post office.

That seems pretty damn good to me?

[Bouncing Bettys]

just don't hire replacements
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E7hI683YbY

[suprasian]

i work for canada post as a letter carrier. the biggest issues seems to be that canada post wants to roll back alot of things for new workers getting their fulltime status after this contract is signed. their wages, benefits etc will be signifcantly be less then mine (i'm already a fulltime worker) so this will eventually cause a division within the work force and the union. it happened to safeway years ago and we don't want that to happen to us. i heard this will get ugly as we are miles apart regarding a new contract

[TheKingdom2000]

i work for canada post as a letter carrier. the biggest issues seems to be that canada post wants to roll back alot of things for new workers getting their fulltime status after this contract is signed. their wages, benefits etc will be signifcantly be less then mine (i'm already a fulltime worker) so this will eventually cause a division within the work force and the union. it happened to safeway years ago and we don't want that to happen to us. i heard this will get ugly as we are miles apart regarding a new contract

Sorry for my ignorance, but how does this cause a division between you guys?

And what happened with Safeway?

[murd0c]

Sorry for my ignorance, but how does this cause a division between you guys?

And what happened with Safeway?

They are basically hiring new employee's which are not part of the union so they don't have to pay them as much and don't get the same benefits. They are trying to phase out the union in the long run that's what it's about.

[Meowjin]

they claimed they will issue social assistance cheques in advance this month and possibly get volunteers to send out future cheques if need be.

oh no wonder why i got my pension yesterdayy. lol

[murd0c]

oh no wonder why i got my pension yesterdayy. lol

I read this and the first thing I had to check is if your bdate is listed lol

[Meowjin]

I read this and the first thing I had to check is if your bdate is listed lol

Orphans/children's benefit. My mom contributed to CPP before she died, and I get to (sadly) riep the benefits till i'm 25.

[TheKingdom2000]

They are basically hiring new employee's which are not part of the union so they don't have to pay them as much and don't get the same benefits. They are trying to phase out the union in the long run that's what it's about.

ohhhh, I get it.
it's a sneaky little plot to get rid of the union.

[murd0c]

Orphans/children's benefit. My mom contributed to CPP before she died, and I get to (sadly) riep the benefits till i'm 25.

sorry to hear that man :( at least she was thinking about you. I have had a number of friends that were not so lucky in a manner of speaking.

[Meowjin]

sorry to hear that man :( at least she was thinking about you. I have had a number of friends that were not so lucky in a manner of speaking.

if they had a job and contributed to CPP, you are eligible. As long as you go to school that is.

sad part is, i started school relativly late (beginnign of this year) and it only covers you till your 25. missing parent's and growing up in poverty, school is not the number 1 in my mind at the time.

[Euro7r]

Canada Post strike = no mail = no monthly bills arriving at my home. Profit?? :troll:

[Manic!]

Canada Post strike = no mail = no monthly bills arriving at my home. Profit?? :troll:


Meaning not paying bills and getting your hydro cut off?

It's going to be a pain in the ass when the tenants rent cheques don't come in.

[suprasian]

Thanks Murdoc that's exactly what canada post wants to do. when safeway did this years ago they ended up phasing out the old employees who made the original wage and eventually had new employees (with a lesser wage) out number them.

[turb0triX]

so if they do go on strike, what's going to happen those of us who ordered things online thats being shipped via Canada Post?

[Gridlock]

Thanks Murdoc that's exactly what canada post wants to do. when safeway did this years ago they ended up phasing out the old employees who made the original wage and eventually had new employees (with a lesser wage) out number them.

Always a fun work environment.

"How much do you make?"

"$8/hr, how about you?"

"$25 sucka!"

[optiblue]

How much do mailmen make?
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[melloman]

so if they do go on strike, what's going to happen those of us who ordered things online thats being shipped via Canada Post?

This means your parcels will be delayed until after the strike is over, and then some for the backlog..

[taylor192]

i work for canada post as a letter carrier. the biggest issues seems to be that canada post wants to roll back alot of things for new workers getting their fulltime status after this contract is signed. their wages, benefits etc will be signifcantly be less then mine (i'm already a fulltime worker) so this will eventually cause a division within the work force and the union. it happened to safeway years ago and we don't want that to happen to us. i heard this will get ugly as we are miles apart regarding a new contract

Do you know why new workers are the targets of concessions? Cause almost every other union has done the same, sacrificed new workers so existing workers don't have to take concessions. Of course it creates division, as the new workers pay dues yet know they are the first on the union chopping block.

The only solution to this is to have all workers take concessions - yet good luck with that. Are you going to voluntarily vote for a lower salary and benefits?

[taylor192]

I used to live in Ottawa not far from the main Canada Post building and have friends that work there. Canada Post has quiet the history for those who don't know it, look it up!

Canada Post was once one of the worst run organizations. High absentee rates, high complaint rates, little automation, no new investment, ... basically Canada Post was any typical poorly run government department.

Thankfully its been given new direction and being run like a business. Automation is up, with less man hours required to do the same jobs. Workforce reduced through attrition. New investment being made. ...

and all of this is being done while mail volume declines. So bravo, Canada Post is shedding its image as a poorly run government department. The next step is the union.

There's no hiding that most Canada Post employees are not paid market salaries and benefits. They are overpaidand have gold plated benefits. In fact Canada Post has asked the government to allow the CBA to be reviewed to determine if it is competitive.

This is why they are trying to cut salaries/benefits of new hires. Existing employees will not volunteer for cuts, and most unions throw the new people under the bus rather than the non-productive people. Good on the union for not wanting to create a divide, yet good fucking luck getting all 48K employees to agree to cuts across the board.

This is why Canada Post needs to be truly private. When a private company has no money as an employee you get 2 choices: take a cut, or get laid off. Canada Post has declined revenue and razor thin profit margins, so hopefully the union recognized this and accepts concessions rather than asking for what cannot be paid.

[StylinRed]

let's just hope it doesn't last as long as that Extra Foods strike

or even the Safeway one that really killed business for safeway and allowed Save-On to skyrocket

[Death2Theft]

They could strike till next year for all I care. Probally save me from recycling 100lbs of flyers and spam.

[CP.AR]

dammit the place that I work at is waiting for a HUGE cheque to come in during the next month which we need to cover our costs....

[jack3d]

NOO.. I placed an order of over $200 of supplements and its being shipped via CAnada post

[Dragon-88]

Damn just ordered switchbacks for my car.. Please dont strike for atleast 2 weeks.. :)

[gretzky]

fuck i also ordered a bunch of crap online(car parts that need replace asap)... will they still make it here on time??

[chinese-boi]

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[goo3]

shit, bad timing.

[icemiko]

Went to the post box to drop off mail in the afternoon but it was LOCKED!!!!! :mad::mad:

[twitchyzero]

Went to the post box to drop off mail in the afternoon but it was LOCKED!!!!! :mad::mad:

damn...i have an important parcel for school coming in next thurs..why can't they put this off until then :(

[BNR32_Coupe]

when i picked up my parcel from the post office the lady laughed at me because the declaration was marked as adult novelty toy (btw it was a fleshlight not a dildo). pretty immature of that 40 year old lady to laugh at me

also i think my parcel was opened up and taped. cant say it was canada post for sure but the possibility it there

so fuck canada post and their retarded employees. i hope canada post puts them in a lock out during negotiations

[Gridlock]

when i picked up my parcel from the post office the lady laughed at me because the declaration was marked as adult novelty toy (btw it was a fleshlight not a dildo). pretty immature of that 40 year old lady to laugh at me

also i think my parcel was opened up and taped. cant say it was canada post for sure but the possibility it there

so fuck canada post and their retarded employees. i hope canada post puts them in a lock out during negotiations

That 40 year old isn't the only one laughing. You are publicly sharing this story of ALL canada post stories?

[StylinRed]

damn...i have an important parcel for school coming in next thurs..why can't they put this off until then :(

canada post and the union

said that as long as negotiations continue they wont lock out/strike

wednesday is just the earliest in which either side can do something

[BNR32_Coupe]

That 40 year old isn't the only one laughing. You are publicly sharing this story of ALL canada post stories?

i don't know, am i sharing this story of all stories?

and then i forgot where is now?

gave you a thanks for sounding retarded

[icemiko]

damn...i have an important parcel for school coming in next thurs..why can't they put this off until then :(
I am waiting for my mini mighty muggs to arrive too!!! :mad:

[ImportXxX]

Instead of blaming canada post for opening your parcel, did you ever think that Canada Custom opened it??

when i picked up my parcel from the post office the lady laughed at me because the declaration was marked as adult novelty toy (btw it was a fleshlight not a dildo). pretty immature of that 40 year old lady to laugh at me

also i think my parcel was opened up and taped. cant say it was canada post for sure but the possibility it there

so fuck canada post and their retarded employees. i hope canada post puts them in a lock out during negotiations

[Gridlock]

i don't know, am i sharing this story of all stories?

and then i forgot where is now?

gave you a thanks for sounding retarded

Whatevs...you're the one that can't get a piece of ass that ain't rubber.

Thanks for the thanks!

[1exotic]

So will there actually be a strike?

motherfuckers were suppose to deliver my package on Friday but didn't... I really need it, and if I don't get it Tuesday I'll go bat-ape-shit.

[murmur]

no wonder my student loan was late.
argh fcuking hell please dun even strike.

[keitaro]

No strike on May 25th...

http://www.infopost.ca/en/2011/05/no-strike-activity-on-may-25/

POSTED: 2011/5/22 COMMENTS FEED
No Strike Activity On May 25

-The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) has indicated to Canada Post that there will be no strike activity on May 25, 2011.
-The union has also reaffirmed that its goal is to negotiate a settlement to this round of collective bargaining with Canada Post.
-Canada Post remains committed to reaching a negotiated settlement that will protect postal services, minimize future postal rate increases, and improve employee wages.
-It remains business as usual across our network.
-You will be notified immediately if the labour situation at Canada Post changes.
-Employees can stay current with negotiations online by going to canadapost.ca and clicking on “I’m an employee.”
-We are committed to keeping you informed of the evolving situation at Canada Post.
-Thank you.

[FerrariEnzo]

MAN i waiting for my Zagg Invisible shield.. dont strike damn it..

[taylor192]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/05/24/canada-post-rejects-union-offer.html?ref=rss

Union didn't offer any concessions, and CPC wants concessions based on business loses and pension promises. This is probably going to get ugly.

[taylor192]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/05/30/canada-post-strike.html

Still not settled cause the union is not offering any concessions, in fact they want a fucking raise above inflation, dumbasses. Expect a strike out lockout soon as the sides seem very far apart.

[Super Dipper]

we issued 72hr strike notice as of this morning.

[4doorVIP]

****

[IMASA]

Damn, looks like I'm not getting my wiper motor.

[taylor192]

we issued 72hr strike notice as of this morning.
Instead of failing me you could explain what concessions were offered. The first union offer was silly asking for > 3% raises while CanadaPost revenue is going down and benefits underfunded.

[quasi]

With online statements and billing the mail service is a dinosaur anyway, anything that needs to get shipped can be done by courier. Pretty much everybody has online billing now a days so no need to ship statements. Email has all but replaced the letter. Here's to hoping they strike till next summer just to point home how unimportant and archaic the mail service is in this day and age.

[twitchyzero]

anything that needs to get shipped can be done by courier. Here's to hoping they strike till next summer just to point home how unimportant and archaic the mail service is in this day and age.

if you wanna pay an arm and a leg for courier service

[quasi]

if you wanna pay an arm and a leg for courier service

For the small amount of times I ship and get stuff shipped I already do.

[taylor192]

With online statements and billing the mail service is a dinosaur anyway, anything that needs to get shipped can be done by courier. Pretty much everybody has online billing now a days so no need to ship statements. Email has all but replaced the letter. Here's to hoping they strike till next summer just to point home how unimportant and archaic the mail service is in this day and age.

Statements like that is why the union exists. Mail is still important, there's just less important mail to send. Declining mail == declining revenue == employee concessions or layoffs. It is too bad the union cannot see the forest for its trees.

[Meowjin]

how about an increase in parcels?

[SkippyLang]

This just in:

Canada Post received notice that the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) intends to begin strike activities at 11:59 p.m. EDT on June 2, 2011.

Despite this development, talks between the company and union are continuing in an effort to reach a negotiated settlement to this round of labour negotiations.

[dachinesedude]

ah balls, ordered a bunch a stuff late last week, guess they wont be showing up anytime soon

but then again, waiting > insane brokage fees

[taylor192]

ah balls, ordered a bunch a stuff late last week, guess they wont be showing up anytime soon

but then again, waiting > insane brokage fees

Point Roberts > waiting

[IMASA]

Woo hoo, just received my parcel today. They can't strike for all I care now, ha ha.

[Super Dipper]

Instead of failing me you could explain what concessions were offered. The first union offer was silly asking for > 3% raises while CanadaPost revenue is going down and benefits underfunded.

pull your head out of your ass. CPC has continuously been making a profit for several years. They have been doing so well, they have been giving out a team bonus annually to all of their employees for the past 3 years.

CPC may claim that revenues and volumes are down, but letter carrier station are packed full of mail that we are unable to move at the speed mgmt wants us too, bc we do not have enough carriers to get the mail out.

parcel volumes have skyrocketed with e-commerce. We are still the cheapest ways to ship the products you purchase on the net and bc of that, businesses continually use as their main shipping provider.

Revenues are not down, volumes are not down, you can continue to believe and read what you want, but unless you work within the company, you dont have a clue what is going on. Keep reading the BS that you want to read and believe what you want. You are entitled to your opinion and i can respect that, but dont tell me that a 3% raise over 4 years is unreasonable when cost of living and inflation continues to rise and its becoming harder and harder to make ends meet.

anyways, im gonna leave it at that. Im in vegas on vacation, there is much tail to chase and booze to drink. Im gonna continue to do that. Ill deal with work and the strike when i get back from my holidays.

[darkfroggy]

3% raise over 4 years is reasonable. However, with most strikes, the union faces the most backlash from the public and not the company.

It might suck not getting a pay raise, but there are tons of people willing to do your job for much less.

[Meowjin]

taylor you should thank my post for proving you wrong.

[Super Dipper]

It might suck not getting a pay raise, but there are tons of people willing to do your job for much less.

although i agree with your statement, its quite broad and open ended statement that could apply to any labor mgmt conflict, bc lets be honest, there are tons of ppl out there that would do ANY job for less if they could.

Just throwing that out there.

[taylor192]

taylor you should thank my post for proving you wrong.

What post would that be? and can I go fail the 100s of posts where you spread bad information.

[taylor192]

pull your head out of your ass. CPC has continuously been making a profit for several years. They have been doing so well, they have been giving out a team bonus annually to all of their employees for the past 3 years.
Who has their head in their ass?

CPC has to release public information, perhaps you should read your own employer's annual reports: http://www.canadapost.ca/cpo/mc/aboutus/corporate/annualreport.jsf?LOCALE=en&ecid=murl07001020

CPC may claim that revenues and volumes are down, but letter carrier station are packed full of mail that we are unable to move at the speed mgmt wants us too, bc we do not have enough carriers to get the mail out.
Prove it.

CPC has been making investments in automation and wants to reduce the workforce through attrition. That seems like solid credible information. Where's your information? Union BS?

parcel volumes have skyrocketed with e-commerce. We are still the cheapest ways to ship the products you purchase on the net and bc of that, businesses continually use as their main shipping provider.

Revenues are not down, volumes are not down
From the annual report:

Volumes declined in all three lines of business: (4.2)% in Transaction Mail, (6.9)% in Parcels and (10.9)% in Direct Marketing

You're essentially saying what CPC releases publicly is fraudulent. I think I'll trust the CPC on this, if the annual report was fraudulent people would go to jail.

you can continue to believe and read what you want, but unless you work within the company, you dont have a clue what is going on. Keep reading the BS that you want to read and believe what you want.
Cause annual reports are just made up, right? There's not a rolling eyes smilie big enough.

You are entitled to your opinion and i can respect that, but dont tell me that a 3% raise over 4 years is unreasonable when cost of living and inflation continues to rise and its becoming harder and harder to make ends meet.

Increases are reasonable if revenue and profit are making the same increases. In fact more than inflationary increases are reasonable if the company is doing well.

CPC is not doing well. Revenues are DOWN and if you bother reading and understanding the annual report, you'll find the only reason the numbers aren't worse is due to some creative accounting.

CPC currently owes the pension fund $3.2B - where do you think that money is going to come from? They have been behind on payments cause of shrinking revenue. So either you can decide to deal with it now with concessions, or deal with it down the road when the pension is owed even more and there's not enough left for you.

[taylor192]

although i agree with your statement, its quite broad and open ended statement that could apply to any labor mgmt conflict, bc lets be honest, there are tons of ppl out there that would do ANY job for less if they could.

Just throwing that out there.
Absolutely. BC teachers are in the same place, lots of teachers looking for work and would take jobs paying less - meanwhile BC teachers with jobs want more and more $$$. Without the union we could hire more teachers at less $$$ and reduce classroom sizes and prevent school closures...

Same applies to CPC. Without the union protecting employee salaries, CPC could hire more employees for less $$$ and deal with one of your complaints: that mail carriers are overloaded.

I'm not just throwing that out there, that's how market economies work when unions don't stifle them.

[Armind]

:fuuuuu: my shit better arrive before this shit happens.

[FatalCloud]

^^and we all know annual public reports from big corporations to be completely truthful and accurate. :rolleyes:

[Meowjin]

You are sourcing financial reports from 2 years ago taylor. smh

[dasani604]

With this strike looming, could that be a reason why packages sent 2 weeks ago aren't arriving.....

[Super Dipper]

You are sourcing financial reports from 2 years ago taylor. smh

meh, let him believe what he wants. Apprarently he has it is all figured out.

[TheKingdom2000]

I have a mail woman and she has sexy legs :fullofwin:

Though, her face isn't much to look at :spin:

[taylor192]

You are sourcing financial reports from 2 years ago taylor. smh
and you complain of idiots spreading incorrect information, then go around and do it yourself.

The link is the for 2009 report released in spring 2010. So it is one year old. It is also verified by a credibly company, KPMG, which should shutup the idiots who say the numbers are wrong then cannot provide correct numbers.

If you want to criticize, ask why the 2010 report is over a month late. Is CPC hiding something to help negotiations? and why must I do your homework.

[taylor192]

meh, let him believe what he wants. Apprarently he has it is all figured out.

I believe facts and figures verified to be credible - not some guy ranting on a website without any information to back it up. Thankfully I am not alone as the public is not supporting the union either.

[Great68]

Thankfully I am not alone as the public is not supporting the union either.

Speak for yourself. I hope they get what they're asking for.

[kyoshiro]

man i hope strike doesnt happen cuz I have a parcel from Ken that hes sending tmr morning that I have to pack for a friday freight pick up

[StylinRed]

if the annual report was fraudulent people would go to jail.


that's not true

if major corporations are actually found to be lying or cheating or breaking the law (which happens on a regular basis) they simply get fined or skip a trial and settle

im not saying that's what canada post is doing, i don't really care at all about this aside from the inconvenience of mail just pointing out the 'go to jail' part is very very very rare that's why it's a big news story when someone actually does go to jail

[Snugglez]

Who would go to jail? The whole corporation?
They would get a fine.

A corporation is a legal entity that is created under the laws of a state designed to establish the entity as a separate legal entity having its own privileges and liabilities distinct from those of its members

[iEatClams]

I do have to agree with some of the unions thinking that People should be fighting for what the unions have. better paying, more secured jobs with benefits.

Honestly the private sector is fucking people up the ass. The gap between the rich and the poor is ever increasing, and the middle class is starting to get smaller and smaller.

Now I do think that some of the perks these unionized jobs have are without merit, but a lot of private companies just fuck over their employees, and keep using the "we need to cut costs, be competitive propoganda". Governments can force companies to be more competitive by reducing barriers to entries and elminate monopolies/cartels.

CEO and executives make millions if they can increase profit, and the easiest way is to cut down costs - ie. labour. These executives dont give a shiet about their employees, but will all say the number asset to their company is "their employees"
The government, as well as private companies never reinvest to enhance productivity.

We should be doing what countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland do. Countries that have 100% literacy rate, super high productivity, Invest heavily into Human Capital. and better social programs where people dont abuse the system (as much as they do in North America).

Right now, Canada has one of the lowest productivity rates among western countries, and the only way we seem to be able to increase that is by increasing our hours worked.

[Super Dipper]

I believe facts and figures verified to be credible - not some guy ranting on a website without any information to back it up. Thankfully I am not alone as the public is not supporting the union either.

Yup, you are right, i got no credible information. I only work there.

[goo3]

^^and we all know annual public reports from big corporations to be completely truthful and accurate. :rolleyes:

Well, for the report itself:


Canada Post Corporation is a Crown corporation included
since 1989 in Part II of Schedule III of the Financial Administration
Act. The Auditor General of Canada and KPMG LLP were
appointed as joint auditors of the Corporation for the year
ended December 31, 2009, in accordance with the Financial
Administration Act. The Auditor General and KPMG LLP audit
the consolidated financial statements and report to the Audit
Committee of the Board of Directors, as well as the Minister
of Transport, Infrastructure and Communities.


Translation: more or less, yes. And more so than anything you read on the news, since a lot of it is biased opinion and misinformation.

[Prolowtone]

I was told they had signed a new contract??? WTF! Last damn thing i need now. In the middle of dealing with 3 year old will papers being sent between here and Nova Scotia. I fucking hate this lawyer :flamemad:

[goo3]

We should be doing what countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland do.

We can do what they do.. but taxes will have to go up.

Unions would love that, though. More money to squeeze from Canada Post, LOL.

[Yuffa]

Thank goodness I get all my stuff from DHL....

[Mr.HappySilp]

Strike I say! Let them strike till they all go broke and force to a sign a new contract.

[StylinRed]

Strike I say! Let them strike till they all go broke and force to a sign a new contract.

you mean like the Extra Foods guys? what's it been 2 years now they've been picketing ? (maple ridge that is)

2.5 years lol

[TheKingdom2000]

Wait, so can Canada post lock them out?
And if they do, they'll just hire people privately right? And our mail will still come?

[Mr.HappySilp]

Wait, so can Canada post lock them out?
And if they do, they'll just hire people privately right? And our mail will still come?

Not sure if that's a good idea. Remember a few years back when all the grabage truck drivers went on strike. The city try to hire some private company to do the job and those private hire got beat up, their truck smash by those people who is on strike.

[TheKingdom2000]

Not sure if that's a good idea. Remember a few years back when all the grabage truck drivers went on strike. The city try to hire some private company to do the job and those private hire got beat up, their truck smash by those people who is on strike.

whoa. really? I never heard about them getting beat up or anything like that.
that's crazy.

[Meowjin]

...

that never happened.

Upper management, worked overtime and were getting paid insane hours to do the garbage disposal. I remember because my friends dad was a superintendant and he was making 10k a paycheck during that strike.

[TheKingdom2000]

^so then are you saying that mail will still be delivered?

because during the garbage strike I don't recall any of my garbage getting taken away. it just piled up.

[dachinesedude]

thats generally how it works, if union employees go on strike, management (aka non-union employees) do the job and bank in insane amounts of OT hours

[kyoshiro]

my area's mailman told me that their management will work on something if they indeed go on strike and told me not to worry too much.

[quasi]

you mean like the Extra Foods guys? what's it been 2 years now they've been picketing ? (maple ridge that is)

2.5 years lol

The projectionists strike was pretty good. It lasted 17 months and at the end of the day they went from $38 an hour to $15. They also missed out on almost a year and a half of wages but at least nobody can say they didn't tow the line to the bitter end. :)

[Super Dipper]

^so then are you saying that mail will still be delivered?

because during the garbage strike I don't recall any of my garbage getting taken away. it just piled up.


some mail might go out by scab workers. A guess would be that essential first class mail will only go out, with the help of mgmt, but that will be about it.


Also keep in mind, that if this drags on, we will be legislated back to work, as we are deemed an essential service.

I really hope they can get their shit together and come up with a contract. I have the luxury of being a single guy with very few expenses and bills and i can survive, but our employees with families and mortgages cant afford this.

Along with that, the public needs to have the mail service continue without delay. You guys need your mail, packages, parts, gifts, connections and whatnot and it doesnt need to be held up due to political squabble.

[TheKingdom2000]

^ can you collect EI if you go on strike?

[Super Dipper]

^ can you collect EI if you go on strike?

dont think so. The only thing we can collect is strike pay which is something like $18/day, which aint a whole lot, haha.

[Super Dipper]

thats generally how it works, if union employees go on strike, management (aka non-union employees) do the job and bank in insane amounts of OT hours

itll be interesting to see if the mgmt will actually help in delivering mail as they are also unionized employees.

CUPW = Internal and External Postal workers. Exempt are those in RSMC or rural sector employees

APOC = Supervisors and middle management union. These employees are usually direct bosses to CUPW

PSAC = Office and Admin staff.

The only employees not under any unions are super-intendants, GM's DM's, and executive staff.

It'll be interesting to see that if we go out, if APOC and PSAC will support us. My hunch will be that APOC will not support us, and that PSAC will, locally that is, i dont know how it will go in other regions of country.

[bing]

pull your head out of your ass. CPC has continuously been making a profit for several years. They have been doing so well, they have been giving out a team bonus annually to all of their employees for the past 3 years.

CPC may claim that revenues and volumes are down, but letter carrier station are packed full of mail that we are unable to move at the speed mgmt wants us too, bc we do not have enough carriers to get the mail out.

parcel volumes have skyrocketed with e-commerce. We are still the cheapest ways to ship the products you purchase on the net and bc of that, businesses continually use as their main shipping provider.

Revenues are not down, volumes are not down, you can continue to believe and read what you want, but unless you work within the company, you dont have a clue what is going on. Keep reading the BS that you want to read and believe what you want. You are entitled to your opinion and i can respect that, but dont tell me that a 3% raise over 4 years is unreasonable when cost of living and inflation continues to rise and its becoming harder and harder to make ends meet.

anyways, im gonna leave it at that. Im in vegas on vacation, there is much tail to chase and booze to drink. Im gonna continue to do that. Ill deal with work and the strike when i get back from my holidays.

don't mean to bash on you but, IMO unless you work specifically in middle or upper management, you are not going to be frequently analyzing the company's statistical and financial information. They might be posted up on an employee wall, but from experience regular workers don't usually take the time to read and understand them unless your job is monitored (ie: in sales). Anyways, taylor just disproved whatever you said about revenues and volume just by looking at the annual report so unless you have something concrete to post up, he is more credible.

Btw getting a bonus does not mean company revenues overall aren't down. It's just a tool to motivate and give you incentive. For what reason? I don't know. Didn't AIG recently use taxpayer bailout money to give bonuses ?

[twitchyzero]

didn't think there'd be so much bickering in this thread
should i get my school ship through courier since the strike is imminent?

[taylor192]

Yup, you are right, i got no credible information. I only work there.

Lots of people work at my company would not be able to tell you the company's stock performance. Just cause you work there doesn't mean you can shoot down a credible agency like KPMG.

[taylor192]

don't mean to bash on you but, IMO unless you work specifically in middle or upper management, you are not going to be frequently analyzing the company's statistical and financial information. They might be posted up on an employee wall, but from experience regular workers don't usually take the time to read and understand them unless your job is monitored (ie: in sales). Anyways, taylor just disproved whatever you said about revenues and volume just by looking at the annual report so unless you have something concrete to post up, he is more credible.

A thanks wasn't good enough, so thank you. :thumbsup:

[taylor192]

^ can you collect EI if you go on strike?
No. If you purposely decide not to work you are not entitled to EI.

dont think so. The only thing we can collect is strike pay which is something like $18/day, which aint a whole lot, haha.
If you do strike, do the math. For each day off unpaid you're eating into the gains the union wants in the contract, nevermind losing business that may never return which is already part of the problem.

Lets say the union wants 3%/yr for 3 years, or ~10% over 3 yrs. Then consider you work ~200 days/yr. If you strike for a month, ie 20 working days, you've lost all the money the union wants as a raise - except the $18/day strike pay.

This is why striking for money is dumb. Unions should fight for job security and benefits, both of which CPC is being very generous with.

[taylor192]

I really hope they can get their shit together and come up with a contract. I have the luxury of being a single guy with very few expenses and bills and i can survive, but our employees with families and mortgages cant afford this.
Sure they could afford this. They make $45-50K/yr, above the average salary in Canada (~$35K). If they are living paycheque to paycheque, they only have themselves to blame, and no wonder they are afraid of concessions and defined pensions if they have no savings.

[taylor192]

didn't think there'd be so much bickering in this thread
Union busting will be the next big political thing. Many governments and companies have underfunded required union benefits and cannot rely on inflation for the growth needed to catch up, concessions will have to be made. Its happening all over Europe and in many US states - and with a Conservative majority looking to cut the deficit early, union contracts are going to be a big part of it.

[taylor192]

We should be doing what countries like Sweden, Norway and Finland do. Countries that have 100% literacy rate, super high productivity, Invest heavily into Human Capital. and better social programs where people dont abuse the system (as much as they do in North America).
They also pay a huge amount of tax and tax luxuries heavily, things most of us would consider essentials like a nice car, big TV, ... ie most of the things the typical RSer wants would now be unaffordable to many, with less leftover money to spend.

I'm OK with that lifestyle, yet ask yourself, are you?

[Armind]

is this strike still taking place?

[taylor192]

that's not true

if major corporations are actually found to be lying or cheating or breaking the law (which happens on a regular basis) they simply get fined or skip a trial and settle

im not saying that's what canada post is doing, i don't really care at all about this aside from the inconvenience of mail just pointing out the 'go to jail' part is very very very rare that's why it's a big news story when someone actually does go to jail

:D The "go to jail" was just to stir the pot, yet you understood my argument. If the report was fraudulent the company would have to fix the report and deal with any consequences - thus why most companies have a credible agency audit their reports.

[taylor192]

is this strike still taking place?

Yep, CPC rejected all of the unions latest offers. The union will have to offer concessions before CPC will budge by the looks of it.

[Armind]

SOB! I WANT MY BUSINESS CARDS!!!!!!!!!

[ImportXxX]

Sure they could afford this. They make $45-50K/yr, above the average salary in Canada (~$35K). If they are living paycheque to paycheque, they only have themselves to blame, and no wonder they are afraid of concessions and defined pensions if they have no savings.

just so you know not all of the employees gets 45k to 50k a year..For that, these guys have a lot of seniority. There's a lot of partimers in there that only work 4 to 5 hours a day.

[twitchyzero]

yo, learn how to use multi-quote.

[Armind]

nvm, found out my shipping is done by UPS. FUCK canada post!:fuckyea:

[Mr.HappySilp]

some mail might go out by scab workers. A guess would be that essential first class mail will only go out, with the help of mgmt, but that will be about it.


Also keep in mind, that if this drags on, we will be legislated back to work, as we are deemed an essential service.

I really hope they can get their shit together and come up with a contract. I have the luxury of being a single guy with very few expenses and bills and i can survive, but our employees with families and mortgages cant afford this.

Along with that, the public needs to have the mail service continue without delay. You guys need your mail, packages, parts, gifts, connections and whatnot and it doesnt need to be held up due to political squabble.

Doesn't bother me one bite I have all my bills to E-Bill and I can view them online anytime I want. Also most of my packages are from UPS, Fedix and I haven't order anything recently so doesn't bother me as much.

I think most people would have their billing switch to E-mail by now or at elast view them online. I hate getting so much mail before. Such a waste of paper.

[b92]

will mail still be delivered? I have a few things I should have mailed out before the strike...

[taylor192]

yo, learn how to use multi-quote.
No. Learn how to use the scroll wheel or ignore button. I'm not post whoring, I respond to each person with a good response that won't get lost in a long messy post.

[taylor192]

just so you know not all of the employees gets 45k to 50k a year..For that, these guys have a lot of seniority. There's a lot of partimers in there that only work 4 to 5 hours a day.
Fair enough, yet even more reason why these employees shouldn't let the union strike over $$$.

The average wage is ~$23/hr according to the reports, so that would be ~$45K/yr.

[taylor192]

Doesn't bother me one bite I have all my bills to E-Bill and I can view them online anytime I want. Also most of my packages are from UPS, Fedix and I haven't order anything recently so doesn't bother me as much.

I think most people would have their billing switch to E-mail by now or at elast view them online. I hate getting so much mail before. Such a waste of paper.
What you said is important for for a reason maybe the union doesn't realize:

There's an adage in business: Once business is lost it is very hard to get it back. For CPC, hard is probably impossible.

For example: I still get some of my bills via mail cause I'm lazy and haven't switched them to online billing - and I'm willing to bet there's lots of people in similar situations. These companies will know their bills go out via the mail and probably start a campaign to contact us and switch us to electronic billing.

Once that happens, I'll essentially get no mail and have no reason to get mail from then on.

Or look at it from a business perspective:

If the strike goes more than a couple days they will have to switch carriers. Once they switch they may build a new business relationship and possibly not switch back once the strike is over.

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Summary: striking for money is possibly the dumbest thing the union could do, it will only hurt them going forward. They may secure more money, yet at a cost of job security as layoffs will be needed if volumes continue to decline. I'd personally take the CPC's offer of job security.

[freelunch]

Please dont strike!! I've got my new cellphone and some other stuff coming through the mail

[IMASA]

Damn, just got notified that my CP-E fuel pump is shipping tomorrow via USPS. Any more details about the strike, any change it will be adverted? Else I gotta phone them up and ship to Blaine.

[Vette Dood]

For example: I still get some of my bills via mail cause I'm lazy and haven't switched them to online billing - and I'm willing to bet there's lots of people in similar situations. These companies will know their bills go out via the mail and probably start a campaign to contact us and switch us to electronic billing.



Its begun -

I got an email from Rogers last night saying I have to pay them whether I receive my bill during the strike or not, and that I should sign up for an e-bill.

[Nightwalker]

I get most of my bills by mail.

Glad I saw this thread, I had no idea this might be happening.

[Super Dipper]

latest contract offer just came out.

http://www.infopost.ca/en/files/2011/06/NR_concessions-e.pdf

honestly its a good offer and if the union doesnt accept, they are a bunch of idiots. That is strictly my opinion, but it seems to be the general consensus that is floating around the station i work at.

[Not really racist!]

^ thats pretty good IMO

[suprasian]

i agree dipper that looks like a decent contract. i think the union has until midnight eastern time to accept the contract before the rotating strike begins. although im still hoping CP reconsidors there idea of modernization as a 2 bundle delivery system makes no sense and is not safe at all. btw dipper what station do you work at? im at F

[taylor192]

latest contract offer just came out.

http://www.infopost.ca/en/files/2011/06/NR_concessions-e.pdf

honestly its a good offer and if the union doesnt accept, they are a bunch of idiots. That is strictly my opinion, but it seems to be the general consensus that is floating around the station i work at.

That is a good offer, and agree they should take it.:thumbsup:

Yet ... if the union accepts it they are throwing new employees under the bus, exactly what they said they didn't want to do. Maybe not as far under the bus, yet still new employees take the majority of the concessions.

If short term disability goes to binding arbitration I suspect the union will have the CPC offer forced on them as its becoming the standard. I honestly don't see the issue unless you're an employee milking sick days as vacation time... which was a huge problem in CPC as little as 5 years ago.

[TheKingdom2000]

Whoa Deepak Chopra is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Canada Post?
That's news to me

[taylor192]

Union declined, strikes start tonight.

SuperDipper, I'm assuming the union members didn't vote on this, that the union heads are calling the shots... perhaps its time to allow employees to opt out of the union.

[StylinRed]

why is that? the union is defending its existence and in a sense future employees

why would they accept something that means their end?

[darkfroggy]

It's kind of amazing how contradictory unions have become.

Originally they were started to defend the rights of "common workers" - those that were the grunts and enjoyed no special privileges or relationships.

Now, they have morphed into the very thing they are supposed to resist. New members / low-level employees are constantly shoved under the rug in an attempt to preserve the "old boys' club". Forget about workers' rights -- you won't have a job to enjoy them.

Look at the BCTF. Loads of people that want to teach, but can't because the union demands higher wages for their existing members. You get a heavily inefficient system where you end up with overpaid, incompetent teachers. Seniority > Merit.

[Super Dipper]

i agree dipper that looks like a decent contract. i think the union has until midnight eastern time to accept the contract before the rotating strike begins. although im still hoping CP reconsidors there idea of modernization as a 2 bundle delivery system makes no sense and is not safe at all. btw dipper what station do you work at? im at F

The 2 bundle system isnt practical and wont make delivery any easier.

Im at station 10 in Victoria, BC.

Im a RLC that primarily does bag runs, late shuttles and usually 1/3 of a walk. on rare occasions, ill do a full walk, but being one of the few carriers in my station that holds a valid VOP and a valid RHD VOP, im more flexible in the jobs and i can do that and aids in my adaptability to the daily jobs of a RLC

[Graeme S]

It's kind of amazing how contradictory unions have become.

Originally they were started to defend the rights of "common workers" - those that were the grunts and enjoyed no special privileges or relationships.

Now, they have morphed into the very thing they are supposed to resist. New members / low-level employees are constantly shoved under the rug in an attempt to preserve the "old boys' club". Forget about workers' rights -- you won't have a job to enjoy them.

Look at the BCTF. Loads of people that want to teach, but can't because the union demands higher wages for their existing members. You get a heavily inefficient system where you end up with overpaid, incompetent teachers. Seniority > Merit.
Not entirely disagreeing, but with rare exception it's hard to judge a teacher's merit. Some teachers work well with some students, others don't. If we just go based on test scores, then the teachers who do the most drilling will get the best results and best pay, but drilling constantly doesn't always make the best teacher.

It's a tough deal for that kind of thing.

[Super Dipper]

Union declined, strikes start tonight.

SuperDipper, I'm assuming the union members didn't vote on this, that the union heads are calling the shots... perhaps its time to allow employees to opt out of the union.

Not entirely sure if the members voted on it or not. Im still on vacation, but i did wander out to some of the routes today and talk to other carriers and they have been kept in the dark about a lot of stuff going on behind closed doors.

This latest off that came out around 5pm our time was voted on and rejected, which is absurd.

All the demands have been pretty much met. The wage hike for new employees is acceptable. I was opposed to it when it was initially proposed at 16/hr. Not sure if that info was released to the media or not, be internal info to employees exposed this. So now they have gone up $3/hr to $19? Ya, thats more than fair. I started at $21/hr, whats $2/hr? and if the wage is topped up in a few years to what everyone else is making? bonus.

The hold off on the STDP is huge and they should take it without thinking twice. When it goes to arbitration, i know full well the arbitrator will side with CPC, so withholding the implementation until it can be readdressed is the best option.

The strike starts at midnight tonight. Its a revolving strike in the country meaning certain city will have blackout periods for mail process and delivery. Winnipeg will be the first city and then its anyones guess where they will go. My hunch will be they will travel east.

If anything else pops up thats not in the news, ill pass it along.

Jas.

[darkfroggy]

Not entirely disagreeing, but with rare exception it's hard to judge a teacher's merit. Some teachers work well with some students, others don't. If we just go based on test scores, then the teachers who do the most drilling will get the best results and best pay, but drilling constantly doesn't always make the best teacher.

It's a tough deal for that kind of thing.

It's really apparent if a teacher is actually trying / caring about the students.

I had teachers that would waltz out of the classroom right when the buzzer ringed. They didn't leave any contact email/phone number, and didn't stay to answer student questions. The teacher would just read off a prepared list of notes and call it a day. Yet, you cannot fire them at all because they are minimally performing their duties. At a private sector job, you would be fired for underperforming.

The ones that stay behind to answer questions, give detentions (shocking), answer emails/phone calls, contact student/parents when he/she sees a problem brewing... these are teachers that care. These teachers are willing to meet at lunch/morning/afternoon to ensure that their students are learning well.

Competent teachers should be paid well, I agree with this. However, the union operates on a system of seniority and not merit. It is exceedingly hard to get rid of a teacher that reads off the book and expresses a willing desire to leave the classroom at the buzzer.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Let the union strike for all they want. I am sure the union members will ran out of savings to use then at that point offer them a contract with less pay, less benfits and no union lol.

[suprasian]

it looks as though hamilton will be striking on monday so service will still continue around here. members have not taken any votes yet. my guess is when a contract is deemed acceptable by the union heads, then the members will vote.

[TheKingdom2000]

Can someone clarify, for a rotational strike how does it work.
so if it starts in Winnipeg and it goes east to Ontario, so does all of ontario no get their mail? And once it goes to Ontario does Winnipeg go back to work?
Then from Ontario it goes to Quebec, so Quebec doesn't get their mail and Ontario goes back to work and Winnipeg (Manitoba) is still at work?

Is that how it works? i'm confused.

[K-Dub]

Next city is Hamilton.

[Super Dipper]

Can someone clarify, for a rotational strike how does it work.
so if it starts in Winnipeg and it goes east to Ontario, so does all of ontario no get their mail? And once it goes to Ontario does Winnipeg go back to work?
Then from Ontario it goes to Quebec, so Quebec doesn't get their mail and Ontario goes back to work and Winnipeg (Manitoba) is still at work?

Is that how it works? i'm confused.

thats essentially it

[tool001]

went down to blaine PO to post some parcel to japan. cheap and fast,, 4 days and its thr already. fuck u canada post.

[taylor192]

What funny is that Purolator is still running, so anything coming from the USPS will likely still get through!

Or funnier that the rotating strikes essentially only mean your mail gets delayed a few days, and most people using Canada Post don't care about timely delivery of most mail - they only want the cheapest rate.

Thus the strikes are futile as most won't notice or care.