[Zulu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yKb6iSWc0k

[bloodmack]

Almost as fast as a velociraptor around the nurburgring..!

[vitaminG]

especially fast considering its not a super limited production stripped down race car like the cars ahead of it.

and i was just about to post this myself

[dangonay]

I was hoping they'd go back since they were recording 3 seconds a lap faster at Virginia.

So the GT-R with a gazillion computers controlling everything from front to rear and side to side torque split and shifting the dual clutch tranny, all wheel drive, 4 valves per cylinder with fully variable cam timing and all the rest of the "superior Japanese" engineering gets whipped by an American 2 valve per cylinder, OHV V8 engine in a RWD car with a plain old manual transmission.

Who's your daddy, bitch?


Sadly, this will do absolutely nothing to curb all the stupid GT-R is faster bullshit. Just waiting for all the lame ass excuses to come.
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[bloodmack]

GT-R is a computer, Zr1 is a real mans car.

[Vette Dood]

181 MPH into that bank after the straight seemed to give a bit of a chirp from the rears... :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[GabAlmighty]

These new domestics are doing a good job, I applaud them.

[donjalapeno]

the interior of corvettes still disappoint me.

but crazy video none the less

[dark0821]

that is pretty boss =.= and a manual too damn...

[frozen]

I was hoping they'd go back since they were recording 3 seconds a lap faster at Virginia.

So the GT-R with a gazillion computers controlling everything from front to rear and side to side torque split and shifting the dual clutch tranny, all wheel drive, 4 valves per cylinder with fully variable cam timing and all the rest of the "superior Japanese" engineering gets whipped by an American 2 valve per cylinder, OHV V8 engine in a RWD car with a plain old manual transmission.

Who's your daddy, bitch?


Sadly, this will do absolutely nothing to curb all the stupid GT-R is faster bullshit. Just waiting for all the lame ass excuses to come.
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Laugh at the hatred towards GTR just because there are some fanboys out there who thinks GTR is the fastest car in the world. The way you type makes you look just as bad as some of those moronic fanboys out there.

While I respect ZR1 for being a real man's car, GTR is absolutely still a fast car considering the fact that it has more weight and less hp. It's a different class as well considering it fits 4 ppl, can be a comfortable cruiser, and be useful during winter unlike ZR1 which is not exactly a car you'd want to daily.

I honestly don't see any reason owning ZR1 over GTR unless you are an avid tracker. You'd probably be using 5% of what ZR1 is capable of on the street, and come on, how many of those ZR1 owners really got the skills to maximize the potential of the car?

[JoshuaWong]

Laugh at the hatred towards GTR just because there are some fanboys out there who thinks GTR is the fastest car in the world. The way you type makes you look just as bad as some of those moronic fanboys out there.

While I respect ZR1 for being a real man's car, GTR is absolutely still a fast car considering the fact that it has more weight and less hp. It's a different class as well considering it fits 4 ppl, can be a comfortable cruiser, and be useful during winter unlike ZR1 which is not exactly a car you'd want to daily.

I honestly don't see any reason owning ZR1 over GTR unless you are an avid tracker. You'd probably be using 5% of what ZR1 is capable of on the street, and come on, how many of those ZR1 owners really got the skills to maximize the potential of the car?

How many people driving a GT-R can use half the potential of it anyways, most cant even park without curbing their rims.

[SuperSlowSS]

tires tires tires!

[twitchyzero]

not surprised zulu is the OP
awesome track monster regardless

[Death2Theft]

1. Given two average drivers behind the wheel who do you think will go faster?
2. Who do you think will be faster given an endurance type race?
3. Is the zr1 much cheaper than the gtr without all the electronics? What then are you paying for?

I was hoping they'd go back since they were recording 3 seconds a lap faster at Virginia.

So the GT-R with a gazillion computers controlling everything from front to rear and side to side torque split and shifting the dual clutch tranny, all wheel drive, 4 valves per cylinder with fully variable cam timing and all the rest of the "superior Japanese" engineering gets whipped by an American 2 valve per cylinder, OHV V8 engine in a RWD car with a plain old manual transmission.

Who's your daddy, bitch?


Sadly, this will do absolutely nothing to curb all the stupid GT-R is faster bullshit. Just waiting for all the lame ass excuses to come.
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[dangonay]

Ah, the predictable response of the fanboy. Come up with some ridiculous parameters to try and change the rules of the contest, which is Who's Faster. Now it becomes "which is easier to drive", "which car can carry 4 people", "which has the nicer interior" or even something as stupid as "who will win an endurance race".

Seriously? An "endurance type race"? That's the best comeback you can come up with? I know when I'm shopping for a sports car the top two items on my list are "is it easy to drive" and "will it run good in an endurance race".


BTW, have you even followed the GT-R in any racing series? Not those Best Motoring rigged races, I mean actual sanctioned races. It doesn't do well at all, getting its ass handed to it by Corvettes, Vipers, 911's and even the Cadillac CTS-V. If you don't believe me, head on over to www.world-challenge.com or www.gt1world.com where there are results of the various races they've run in.

Bottom line: the car isn't competitive at all. Just because you can run a fast lap at Nurburgring doesn't mean the car is actually a good base for a race car, as several teams are finding out. Cuz, you know, race series have rules that everyone must adhere to, so Nissan can't send a juiced up car like they can when they run Nurburgring. ;)

All of which makes your endurance comment all the more entertaining.

[SpuGen]

Before anybody mentions how the GTR's aren't doing too bad in GT1, go google what they're running for thier drivetrain.

How much of it is still a GTR?
Faaaail.

V8+ RWD.
The only GTR thing about those cars are maybe the badges.

[frozen]

Ah, the predictable response of the fanboy. Come up with some ridiculous parameters to try and change the rules of the contest, which is Who's Faster. Now it becomes "which is easier to drive", "which car can carry 4 people", "which has the nicer interior" or even something as stupid as "who will win an endurance race".

Seriously? An "endurance type race"? That's the best comeback you can come up with? I know when I'm shopping for a sports car the top two items on my list are "is it easy to drive" and "will it run good in an endurance race".


BTW, have you even followed the GT-R in any racing series? Not those Best Motoring rigged races, I mean actual sanctioned races. It doesn't do well at all, getting its ass handed to it by Corvettes, Vipers, 911's and even the Cadillac CTS-V. If you don't believe me, head on over to www.world-challenge.com or www.gt1world.com where there are results of the various races they've run in.

Bottom line: the car isn't competitive at all. Just because you can run a fast lap at Nurburgring doesn't mean the car is actually a good base for a race car, as several teams are finding out. Cuz, you know, race series have rules that everyone must adhere to, so Nissan can't send a juiced up car like they can when they run Nurburgring. ;)

All of which makes your endurance comment all the more entertaining.

No one is coming up with an excuse. It's your fucked up fanboy mind that thinks people are making excuses. Car enthusiast can appreciate every car's strengths and weaknesses.

Lol, I have never even said GTR drivers are skillful, but given the same average joe driver, he can do well better in GTR and can probably enjoy more pushing its limit than driving a ZR1.

[JoshuaWong]

The GT-R is amazing for what it can do with its weight and power. The stock car is extremely fast for a couple laps but in an endurance race there is no getting around the fact that it is running with 3800lb. Even in those (some claim biased) Best Motoring 5 Laps Battle in Tsukuba, the GT-R's is obviously slowing down near the 4th and 5th lap.

Go watch the battle between the 07 GT-R and old Gallardo Superleggera to see what I mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W6JcSzFqO8

The GT-R is a car that pushes the envelope of technology while the Corvette is a car that pushes the boundary of classic mechanical engineering theory if that makes any sense.

GT-R vs Corvette, it appears even by today's technological standards, there is no defying the laws of physics (Weight, power etc.)

As much as many don't like the 4WD+Double clutch trickery, I think the GT-R designer is on to something though. (Perfect torqueband, efficient power delivery, superb traction) It'll be interesting to see other sports car maker take note of this and improve upon the GT-R.

[unit]

fanboys on both sides, cant we just get along? :hi::hi:

[dark0821]

:Popcorn:Popcorn:

I am a big GTR fan, but there is no denyin its just a heavy car, no amount of brake/traction is going to help the power:weight ratio
in that department we can clearly see how even the likes of 599GTB falls short on the ZR1, huge power, light weight.. still seem to dominate over technological trickery? xD

[mpr]

Back in 2008, Chevy whipped the Corvette ZR1 around the Nurburgring in an impressive 7:26.4 seconds. Impressive, yes, but the Nissan GT-R was tweaked for 2012 and set a time more than two seconds faster.

And now the 2012 Chevy Corvette, wearing super-sticky Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, has accepted the challenge and shaved SIX seconds off of that 7:26.4 run.

Wonder what times will the GTR be if they run with the same cup tires.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Z4tueh_pefg

[Mancini]

Wonder what times will the GTR be if they run with the same cup tires.

The ZR1 is sold with those tires so fair play to GM for running them on the track.

[GabAlmighty]

GTR is a piece of shit.

[dangonay]

And now the 2012 Chevy Corvette, wearing super-sticky Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, has accepted the challenge and shaved SIX seconds off of that 7:26.4 run.

So are you trying to imply the tires are the only reason why it's faster? Never mind the changes to the suspension, the new wheels that are 5lbs lighter, the new aerodynamics and rear spoiler, different transmission gear ratios and modified traction control system.

[SpuGen]

^
I think he's trying to say that the Corvette cheated by using half-decent tires.

[mpr]

So are you trying to imply the tires are the only reason why it's faster? Never mind the changes to the suspension, the new wheels that are 5lbs lighter, the new aerodynamics and rear spoiler, different transmission gear ratios and modified traction control system.

I think he's trying to say that the Corvette cheated by using half-decent tires


No, I am not implying the tires is the ONLY reason the ZR1 is faster by 6 seconds nor did I state chevrolet ZR1 is cheating by using michelin sport cup tires.

I do think it is fair game and creative on chevrolet part to put the sport cup "r-compound" tires as an option for Z06/ZR1. I also think the cup tires are the major factor for the ZR1 to reduce the 6 seconds off nurburgring time. 1 - 1.5 seconds from a standard track ( 1:10 to 1:40 second per lap) is equivalent to about 4 -6 seconds at nurburgring.

Hence the reason I was curious how much time the GTR will run with the same spec tires. Can it reduce ~ 4.5 seconds from the 7:24.2. Some of the other items you listed may not make the ZR1 quicker example the changes in taller gears in the transmission only applies to 5th and 6th gear for fuel economy on highways.

My guess if the GTR is using the same spec tires would be very similar to the ZR1 but with about 100 hp less and 400 lb more.

[Veleno]

the interior of corvettes still disappoint me.

but crazy video none the less

Looks pretty good to me, inside and out.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/news/car/11q2/2012_chevrolet_corvette-official_photos_and_info/gallery/the_interior_of_the_2012_corvette_centennial_editi on_2c_seen_here_2c_previews_the_changes_to_the_int erior_of_all_2012_corvettes._photo_1/4309044-1-eng-US/2012_chevrolet_corvette_101_cd_gallery.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/news/car/11q2/2012_chevrolet_corvette-official_photos_and_info/gallery/the_interior_of_the_2012_corvette_centennial_editi on_2c_seen_here_2c_previews_the_changes_to_the_int erior_of_all_2012_corvettes._photo_2/4309058-1-eng-US/2012_chevrolet_corvette_102_cd_gallery.jpg

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/news/car/11q2/2012_chevrolet_corvette_z06_zr1-car_news/gallery/2012_chevrolet_corvette_centennial_edition_photo_6/4311127-1-eng-US/2012_chevrolet_corvette_centennial_edition_104_2_c d_gallery.jpg

[dangonay]

My guess if the GTR is using the same spec tires would be very similar to the ZR1 but with about 100 hp less and 400 lb more.

And you just proved my point. More excuses for why the ZR1 is faster than the GT-R. If the GT-R had xxxx then it would be faster by yyyy blah blah blah.

Also interesting is that GM went out of their way to list the specs of the car making sure people understand it's not only a stock car as you would buy in the showroom, but even going so far as to say things like the alignment settings were stock. They did the same thing back in 2008.

Do you know why they did this? Because when the GT-R first ran the 'ring Nissan was being very vague about the specs of the car simply saying it was "stock". Nobody could get a straight answer out of Nissan about the tires they ran, octane of the gas, whether the alignment was stock and so on. Nissan has a history of this going back to the R-34 that first cracked 8 minutes at the 'ring and then refusing to let anyone examine the car afterwards.

GM was taking a clear shot at Nissan by listing every possible thing someone could claim was "tweaked" so there would be no doubts as to the condition of the car they ran (factory stock).

[mpr]

Typical bench racer reply. what point is that.
Should we measure our dicks with rulers now.

Seriously, I'm pointing out the fact that the sport cup tires used on the ZR1 in this comparison will be the equalizer for the GTR. Correct me if I'm wrong, I assume you haven't used michelin sport cup tires before.

I personally own corvette for 7 years. I autocross and tracked them. I have nothing against them. I love my car. And if anyone one of you guys out there does have a ZR1, please bring it out to autocross or track days, I'm curious to see how it perform on track with my eyes. :)

Tomorrow VCMC autocross
June 22nd Pacific Raceway Track
June 23rd Portland Raceway Track
July 8th VCMC Mission Track
July 16th Oregon Raceway Track

[dangonay]

^ Bench racing? Oh the irony. Did you not just say 1-1.5 seconds on a standard track equals 4-6 seconds at Nurburgring? Or that using Cup tires the GT-R would match the ZR1? Do you know what tires Nissan used on the GT-R? Have you used them and the Cups so you can form an opinion as to how much of a difference in lap times there are between the two? Seems like you're the one bench racing here.

And saying GM is being "creative" using Michelin Cup tires is hilarious considering how "creative" Nissan is with the cars they run.
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[Death2Theft]

Ease of driving it around or to the max would both be easier than in a zr-1. Since you seem to know so much about racing, in the purest enthusiast "run what you brung" competition I know of... One lap of America.
What corvette has EVER been as far ahead as the GTR was this year?
With the GTR your paying for innovation. With the ZR1 your paying to join the hair club for men, air vents that belong in a sunfire and nothing new unless you want to consider run flat technology a godsend.
Ah, the predictable response of the fanboy. Come up with some ridiculous parameters to try and change the rules of the contest, which is Who's Faster. Now it becomes "which is easier to drive", "which car can carry 4 people", "which has the nicer interior" or even something as stupid as "who will win an endurance race".

Seriously? An "endurance type race"? That's the best comeback you can come up with? I know when I'm shopping for a sports car the top two items on my list are "is it easy to drive" and "will it run good in an endurance race".


BTW, have you even followed the GT-R in any racing series? Not those Best Motoring rigged races, I mean actual sanctioned races. It doesn't do well at all, getting its ass handed to it by Corvettes, Vipers, 911's and even the Cadillac CTS-V. If you don't believe me, head on over to www.world-challenge.com or www.gt1world.com where there are results of the various races they've run in.

Bottom line: the car isn't competitive at all. Just because you can run a fast lap at Nurburgring doesn't mean the car is actually a good base for a race car, as several teams are finding out. Cuz, you know, race series have rules that everyone must adhere to, so Nissan can't send a juiced up car like they can when they run Nurburgring. ;)

All of which makes your endurance comment all the more entertaining.

[GabAlmighty]

Fuck this shit. Nobody here owns a ZR1 and nobody owns a GTR and who are willing to gou head to head. Persoanlly ythe zr1 is a better vehicle, i'd take a zr1 over a buncvh of computer shit dubbed into thinking they are a car. Fucking horseshit

[Death2Theft]

I'm sure thats what horse riders thought when the model t came around, glad to see you and dragonay share the same train of thought.