[!genesis]

http://clients.infopost.ca/en/ :failed:

Following 12 days of increasingly costly rotating strikes by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW), Canada Post has suspended operations across the country.

The accelerating decline in mail volumes and revenue combined with the inability to deliver mail on a timely and safe basis has left Canada Post with no choice but to make this decision.

Specifically, we have taken this action for the following reasons:

Rotating strikes have had a significant impact on short-term revenue. Canada Post’s losses are approaching $100 million since the rotating strikes began – and that figure is climbing daily;
Over the past few days, several incidents have raised concerns about the ability to move the mail while keeping employees and customers safe;
Canada Post and CUPW remain far apart on several fundamental issues and there has been no progress made at the negotiating table for weeks.

If we allow the uncertainty created by the rotating strikes to continue, we will not be able to remain financially self-sufficient and risk becoming a burden on Canadian taxpayers.

We believe that a lockout is the best way to bring a timely resolution to this impasse and force the union to seriously consider proposals that address declining mail volumes and the $3.2-billion pension deficit.

Canada Post continues to believe that the best result from this round of bargaining is a negotiated settlement.

The company had hoped to reach an agreement without a disruption in postal services, which is why the company has made every effort to protect the pay, pension and job security of existing employees.

Plans are in place to secure all mail that is left in the system during the lockout, and to resume normal operations quickly once the current situation is resolved.

Hope you guys don't have stuff stuck in transit :fuuuuu:

[jeedee]

My Stanley Cup patch is still in transit..should've been here by Friday :fuuuuu:

[FerrariEnzo]

i got 4 of my tax credit last week that i didnt get last year!!! woohoo,

man, when this strike is over, they are going to have tons of mail to sort out.. dang..

[Vale46Rossi]

Fuck.

I have a shit load of stuff coming in the mail -.-

[mb_]

Good thing I didn't mail my transcript to BCIT yet... looks like I'll have to drive it there :fuuuuu:

[Energy]

I'm expecting mail next week. Hopefully they get this sorted out soon...

[b0unce. [?]]

fuck, i ordered stuff online. should have arrived this week. no wonder why it's not here yet! :(

[- kT]

^ you and me both man

[PornMaster]

More importantly... how are we going to get our bills on time?!??!?!

How are companies gonna coop with this so we don't get butt fucked by interest

[b0unce. [?]]

More importantly... how are we going to get our bills on time?!??!?!

How are companies gonna coop with this so we don't get butt fucked by interest

Most of the bills you should be able to pay online.

[rageguy]

^ you and me both man

Same here. Sigh.

[roflwaffle604]

Same here. Sigh.

+1

[The_AK]

you guys should learn how to operate a fax machine

[Aleks]

My new credit card is in transit....how am i gonna be able to pay for my massive bar bill tmr night :fuuuuu:

[Harvey Specter]

Fuck, I have a few things in transit and Canadapost can barely delivery mail on time when they're 100% functional now just imagine the backlog that a prolonged closure will cause.

[Cr33pUh]

My monthly playboy mag.....:fuuuuu:

[bing]

got my stanley cup patch today :fuckyea:

[TypeRNammer]

my canucks jersey :alone:

[pawdregry4g]

damn!

[orange7]

dam.. what are dogs going to chase in the morning now?

[AVS_Racing]

:fuuuuu: must ship everything to point roberts now

[sKyLinekc]

.... aww hell naw, I just ordered HIDS on the 6th and it's on it's way to Canada right now =(

[FerrariEnzo]

you guys should learn how to operate a fax machine

haha thats old, the younger generation dont know how to use one...

[jing]

The vendor I ordered from was supposed to ship to Point Roberts but they screwed it up and sent it up here instead. Now I'm going to have to wait god knows how long cus of their damn mistake..:fuuuuu:

[Gh0stRider]

damn, just bought stuff off ebay

[StylinRed]

hope it doesnt last too long that my futureshop pre-orders get delayed ;)

[twitchyzero]

you guys should learn how to operate a fax machine

last time I checked majority of household fax machines are now in landfills...fax is pretty much business/office exclusive now.

[InvisibleSoul]

Hmm... I have a couple packages waiting for me to pick up at my local post office, which is inside a Shopper's Drug Mart... I guess that means they're closed too. Damn.

[jackmeister]

hmm...many companies ship via UPS Fedex Purolator DHL etc etc.
dont be too worried, maybe your paycheques and bills will be delayed.

[Durrann]

Now they can watch the Canucks game today

[shenmecar]

Isn't purolator operated by Canada Post?

[twitchyzero]

^ won't be affected last time i checked

[suprasian]

most likely we'll be legislated by the government to go back to work in a day or 2

[hotjoint]

I'm going to have a huge stack of free magazines once this is all over!

[Riddle]

omg this isn't the right time for this to happen QQ

[MindBomber]

My paycheques come in the mail..
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[Boostaholic]

omg I just submitted like $120 worth of mail in rebate for stuff bought from NCIX. If they don't send my crap out by the deadline I'll be out $100

[sKyLinekc]

So it's been a while since I've ordered something through USPS/Canadapost. For International USPS Priority Mail it says it typically takes 6-10 business days but I highly doubt that, anyone know a rough amount of days it should take? Item was ordered on the 5th of June

[rexsomnii]

http://tinypic.com/r/nxuv75/7

just went to shoppers today. couldnt mail anything out either.

[falcon]

haha thats old, the younger generation dont know how to use one...

seriously? You dial a number and press SEND. If you can't figure that out, go die.

[optiblue]

My HST ballot!!! Fuuuuu!
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[1exotic]

My Stanley Cup patch is still in transit..should've been here by Friday :fuuuuu:

Good thing I didn't mail my transcript to BCIT yet... looks like I'll have to drive it there :fuuuuu:

My new credit card is in transit....how am i gonna be able to pay for my massive bar bill tmr night :fuuuuu:

My monthly playboy mag.....:fuuuuu:

:fuuuuu: must ship everything to point roberts now

The vendor I ordered from was supposed to ship to Point Roberts but they screwed it up and sent it up here instead. Now I'm going to have to wait god knows how long cus of their damn mistake..:fuuuuu:

http://gifsforum.com/images/image/rage/grand/ffuuu.jpg

[OTG-ZR2]

If I don't receive my bills do I have to pay them?

[tool001]

^ lol. u r getting the services?? arnt u? so u pay regardless.

[iam_dan]

been waiting for documents for 2 months. phoned just now, they said they sent it through xpress post on 10th.

:fuuuuu:

operator: we sent your mail through xpress post.
me: isnt xpress post part of canada post?
operator: we use xpress post.
me: I KNOW. but isnt xpress post part of canada post?
operator: ...........yes

i think they've been trained to try to avoid telling people its canada post now

[phunky.FOB]

then how am i supposed to mail in my census form?

[Frank D'Angelo]

then how am i supposed to mail in my census form?

do it online dumbass

[phunky.FOB]

do it online dumbass

no time to sit on the computer for another 4hrs doing it!

[tool001]

spoke to purolator guy today, he said they will be back @ work tomorrow..

[chucki]

no time to sit on the computer for another 4hrs doing it!

You are wrong! Legally, you only need to fill out the 2A form, which takes less than 10 minutes for most people. It's the other form, the NHS, that takes about an hour to finish.

[ImportXxX]

Hmm... I have a couple packages waiting for me to pick up at my local post office, which is inside a Shopper's Drug Mart... I guess that means they're closed too. Damn.

shopper's drug mart post office is independently own. If your packages is in thre, pretty sure you can go pick it up.

[!LittleDragon]

Anyone know of any alternatives to Canada Post? I'm on the verge of cancelling some ebay auctions because I don't want to eat the cost of shipping things out by courier.

[Amuse]

Anyone know of any alternatives to Canada Post? I'm on the verge of cancelling some ebay auctions because I don't want to eat the cost of shipping things out by courier.
Go to the nearest USPS in the States.

[StylinRed]

Anyone know of any alternatives to Canada Post? I'm on the verge of cancelling some ebay auctions because I don't want to eat the cost of shipping things out by courier.

edit/change your auctions to ups/fedex only

[InvisibleSoul]

shopper's drug mart post office is independently own. If your packages is in thre, pretty sure you can go pick it up.
Hmm, cool... I'll definitely go check.

[monkeywrench]

Guess I'm screwed either way? Had something ordered through USPS. Where will my package end up going to?

[Slifer]

Any idea how long it'll last? I'm waiting for an important mail..

[jeedee]

Guess I'm screwed either way? Had something ordered through USPS. Where will my package end up going to?

All USPS packages that are cleared by customs get picked up by CanadaPost to be delivered to you.

..Meaning you'll have to wait till this ends to get your package.

[nubtub]

Any idea how long it'll last? I'm waiting for an important mail..

Was out earlier having dinner with friends and heard on the tv that the government is forcing Canada Post to continue operations because it is "hurting" our economy. They said expect them to start sometime next week.

[sKyLinekc]

Hmm... is it possible to pick up your packages before it reaches Canada? Cause USPS probably has to bring it somewhere before the border before it is taken to Canadian Customs right? at the rate this is going at I'd rather drive down myself

[ImportXxX]

Hmm... is it possible to pick up your packages before it reaches Canada? Cause USPS probably has to bring it somewhere before the border before it is taken to Canadian Customs right? at the rate this is going at I'd rather drive down myself

you still have to go through canada custom anyways if you were to bring it back..

[snowball]

I saw mailpeople and canada post trucks driving around today

[jeedee]

Checked my mailbox a couple of minutes ago

Still no mail or stanley cup patch

:fuuuuu:

[optiblue]

my mailbox is a desert! :fuuuuu:

[terryjai]

my work is taking a big time hit.....we get mail everyday...n now i don't even have 1 and it's been a week

[sKyLinekc]

you still have to go through canada custom anyways if you were to bring it back..

but I'd only have to drive through and it wouldn't have to take another 10 years

[rexsomnii]

if i wanted to get something from ebay. would there be any chance of it being returned to their own country? like hk iphone 3g digitizer.

[quasi]

Feds will send them back to work sooner then later.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110615/canada-post-national-lockout-110615/

Date: Wed. Jun. 15 2011 8:55 PM ET

Labour Minister Lisa Raitt said "an erosion" at the bargaining table between Canada Post and its union forced the government to serve notice it will table back-to-work legislation if the two sides can't reach a deal.

Raitt had previously said she preferred to see Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers come to a negotiated settlement.

But after Canada Post locked out its 48,000 urban postal workers late Tuesday, Raitt said the "drastic" move forced her to reassess the impact on the Canadian public and the economy.

"What it comes down to is we've got two parties, the union and Canada Post, that have been at the table for a very, very long period of time," Raitt told CTV's Power Play Wednesday evening. "What we've been seeing in the past last 11 days is just an erosion at the table."

Raitt added: "As you know…(the government has) a strong mandate from Canadians to have an economic recovery that works and to work on it, and this is an important piece of it as well. The harm to the third parties, especially the small businesses, is of great concern and we acted appropriately today."

On Tuesday, the government issued a similar warning to striking Air Canada staff.

Raitt told Power Play the company pension is one of the main sticking points for both Canada Post and the union, as well as Air Canada and its union, and there has been little movement by either side on the issue.

At the end of the day, Raitt said, the government respects the collective bargaining process, but it must also consider third parties that suffer from work stoppages.

"There's a point in time where the innocent third parties affected," Raitt said. "It's one thing to withhold your services to a company in order to make them hurt economically so that they come back to the table. It's quite another thing to withhold services from the Canadian public so that they cause an economic difficulty for the entire nation in order to get their way. And that's just not acceptable."

Raitt urged Canada Post and CUPW to use the next 48 hours to "get to the table and do a deal."

Opposition critics say the government is going against traditional labour practices, where an agreement is eventually hashed out at the bargaining table.

And NDP MP Yvon Godin accused the postal service of "creating a crisis" by locking out workers, forcing the government to act.

Responding to reports that Raitt would use legislation to end the strike, union president Denis Lemelin said it was not a step that CUPW would agree with.

But he said the union's focus was on securing a meeting with Canada Post CEO Deepak Chopra.

Lemelin said Chopra should reinstate the prior contract agreement, which could be used while the two sides continue negotiating.

Earlier Wednesday, Lemelin said Canada Post's decision to shut down its urban operations across the country was "totally irresponsible."

Canada Post spokesperson Jon Hamilton said the lockout was not something the corporation wanted to do.

"While we'd hoped to avoid a disruption to service to Canadians, we feel we can't continue to let this drag on," Hamilton told The Canadian Press in an interview.

"It's having a huge impact on the business, it's having a huge impact on our customers and our employees and the time is now to get a deal with the union."

A statement issued by Canada Post late Tuesday said "a lockout is the best way to bring a timely resolution to this impasse and force the union to seriously consider the proposals that address the declining mail volumes and the $3.2-billion pension deficit."

Canada Post maintains that it has been forced to stop its urban mail services in the face of the rotating strikes that have raged for nearly two weeks, costing the corporation an estimated $100 million in revenue.

[jeedee]

if i wanted to get something from ebay. would there be any chance of it being returned to their own country? like hk iphone 3g digitizer.

I highly doubt it. If it goes from the shipping carrier say EMS, it goes directly to CanadaPost then to you.

Most likely it's being stuck at CanadaPost and when service resumes, it'll be sent to you.

Packages only get sent back to the shipper if you get a notice saying where you can pick it up, and if you don't pick it up within 10-15 days, the package gets sent back to the shipper.

[Super Dipper]

i hope we get legislated back, id like to start making some money again.

[daytona675]

get back to work! i want my obd2 cable so I can reflash my bike!!!!

[Super Dipper]

get back to work! i want my obd2 cable so I can reflash my bike!!!!

thx genius, if it was just that easy, i think myself along with the other 48,000 employees across the country would have done so by now.

[2damaxmr2]

I want my 4k chequeeeeee.

[iwantaskyline]

I want my Ray-bans for summer =(

[604778]

My parents told me mail would be coming in every 3 days.
Last time I got mail was last Tuesday...

I just ordered 2 things from Directcanada.com too :(

[DanHibiki]

At first I was like

"fuck my Canucks jersey is not gonna get here! :fuuuuu:"

then I remembered

"Oh ya, I shipped with Purolator"

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x193/Cherry_Kitty_Kat/everything_went_better_than_expected.jpg

[shawn79]

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110620/canada-post-strike-ending-legislation-110620/

strike is over

[Meowjin]

got my pension check today ^_^

[suprasian]

the lockout isn't over yet. the house will discuss this starting tomorrow, and if it all goes well they will vote on it most likely on thursday. but with the NDP strongly opposed to legislation it may take longer. but im hoping the union and CPC can hammer out something as a contract forced upon by the government would not be a good thing imo

[Mr.Money]

Unions, gotta love 'em. They seem to always grow so large and powerful, that they become as bad/worse then the greedy owners/corporations they were created to protect honest people against.

[daytona675]

thx genius, if it was just that easy, i think myself along with the other 48,000 employees across the country would have done so by now.

i'm not sure what you your union is negotiating for, but most people already have it worse than you guys. I'm sure your wages are better than the norm or equal, and have many good benefits. As an employee of Canada post, you are in alot better position than alot of people that have jobs that are not as well paying. You guys really should be happy that you have such a great job.

I used to be part of a union, and its really not much help if they try to pinch every last penny out of the company when they really don't have any more money.

I on the other hand am self employed and have no benefits or pension, work long hours and such. I am still greatful that I have this opportunity to work for myself. I would be even happier to work for Canada post delivering mail with next to no education.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110620/canada-post-strike-ending-legislation-110620/

take a look at that link and look at all the comments below. pretty much everyone wants you guys to get back to work. its not just me.

[BaoTurbo]

Question: Is the credit card bill going to come in then? Or they are still at it? Cuz if the bill isn't coming in then I need to remind to pay the bill soon or keep a reminder

[daytona675]

stop failing me, i'm not anti union or anti postie.

I'm just stating the facts.

It is that easy, next union meeting/update why don't you take the initiative and talk to one of the union stewards? put a notion forth to vote to get back to work? or take the appropriate steps to?

In the area that I work, I see posties on break at the A&W and over heard them say how they've finished their run, and its only 11am. What should we do for the next few hours? Grab some beers etc etc.....

If I was one of those postal workers, I wonder how my life would be......

I know you guys are locked out and can't get back to work. But get the union to stop wasting time. Even though Canada Post work stoppage is not affecting me, but millions of small businesses and people depend on the services you provide.

[mmmk]

stop failing me, i'm not anti union or anti postie.

It is that easy, next union meeting/update why don't you take the initiative and talk to one of the union stewards? put a notion forth to vote to get back to work? or take the appropriate steps to?


What you proposed will have no effect on the time it takes this strike to resolve.

As much as I hate the strike, you need to take a look at the bigger picture. The union represents ALL employees of Canada Post.
They've been discussing contracts for several months now have failed to settle on an agreement.

I think the easiest way to end this strike, is to wait for the Parliament to end the Air Canada and Canada post disputes.

[Phat_R]

Posties in Edmonton are defying the back to work legislation

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Edmonton+postal+workers+rally+against+proposed+bac k+work+legislation/4982642/story.html?cid=megadrop_story

it's gonna get ugly I think

[StylinRed]

im not getting any of my purolator packages :/

[DanHibiki]

im not getting any of my purolator packages :/

You should. Purolator is a privately owned company.

[StylinRed]

90% owned by Canada Post ;)

but yeah havent gotten my packages yet

maybe they're just overloaded with work now (read that they were expecting over 20% increase)


edit:
so decided to contact them... for some reason they sent the package out canada post ground instead of purolator.... wtf
oh well its almost over now i guess..

[tiger_handheld]

is the strike on still? Cousin told me, he is getting his mail..

[jeedee]

Still no mail and no stanley cup patch for me :fuuuuu:

[shenmecar]

still no mail for me, cant imagine the chaos the workers would have to face when they go back to work.

[Gh0stRider]

im getting everything shipped to the states.

[FerrariEnzo]

i wonder how much these postal workers are getting now.

[hk20000]

I am now working for the census and I'm basically working double the time for the same number of cases because now I am going back to the households I have visited to collect the form - all because they can't send them....

[604778]

im not getting any of my purolator packages :/

I got 2 of my purolator packages yesterday.

[AutozamAZ-3]

You should. Purolator is a privately owned company.

no, it is owned by Canada Post.

i know at work, our fedex shipments are starting to be passed over to greyhound and other third party carriers

edit: i did not see stylinred's post

[Boostaholic]

any news on how long this strike will last?

[FishTaco]

i ordered stuff off ebay through the states. they are shipping with USPS. i hope my stuff doesnt get sent back to the sender from this strike bullshit =/

[Bonjour43MA]

^^^ sounds like the Union and CP still couldn't come to an agreement so this will now be handled by Parliment.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hundreds-union-members-protest-canada-post-back-legislation-142338126.html

They should be back to work sometime next week.

Damn I have 3 packages stuck in transit for over 2 weeks now... they better get back to work next week and clear all the backlog.

[CRS]

i ordered stuff off ebay through the states. they are shipping with USPS. i hope my stuff doesnt get sent back to the sender from this strike bullshit =/

On the same boat.

[josayeee]

It's so frustrating I am waiting on stuff too. I know a lot of people who would kill to have their jobs. I know of one guy who finishes his shift by 11am then spends the rest of the day rock climbing.

[Meowjin]

:rolleyes:

Don't know how citizens here can live in a semi-socialist country but whine and complain when an industry goes on strike.

[Bonjour43MA]

I'll probably get some fails for saying this but I think it's wrong for the Union to hold the public to ransom so that they can get better pay, pension, and benefits. I'm only saying this as an observer so I'm sure those that are postal workers will think that I'm biased, but here are some points that I've been thinking about on this whole mess:

- Why the sense of entitlement? Your jobs already pay way better and offer better security than any other jobs out there that require the same education background and experience. Why not appreciate what you have instead of asking for more, especially when the economy is unstable?

- I keep hearing some postal workers saying how physically demanding their jobs are, but how about construction workers, roadside workers, warehouse workers, city cleanup workers, garbage men, bike couriers, etc the list goes on and on. I'm sorry but walking for x KMs a day cannot be tougher than all those jobs I've just listed, and they sure as hell don't get paid as well as postal workers.

- I know it was Canada Post that locked out the workers, but didn't 92% of Union members voted in favor of a (rotation) strike? and didn't the Union and CP have 7 months to work out something that will work for both sides? Ever heard of compromises?

I guess like many Canadians, I'm upset at this strike because it's starting to affect us on different levels, and what for? So that postal workers can get more money, more vacation days, more sick days, and more benefits? I've never heard of any jobs where the worker is unhappy and instead of looking for other alternatives, they whine and go on strike so that their bosses will pay them more for the same amount of work they're currently doing.

Postal workers have it real good... please learn to appreciate what you have.

Flame suit on.

[Bonjour43MA]

:rolleyes:

Don't know how citizens here can live in a semi-socialist country but whine and complain when an industry goes on strike.

People have been calling the government to privatize Canada Post for awhile now... I think Canada Post is the only crown corporation that's left that hasn't done that.

Why can't we whine and complain? People's livelihoods depend on essential services like mail and parcel, and when they're not making a living because someone else is trying to get more money, they sure as hell have the right to voice their complaints.

[ShadowBun]

I'll probably get some fails for saying this but I think it's wrong for the Union to hold the public to ransom so that they can get better pay, pension, and benefits. I'm only saying this as an observer so I'm sure those that are postal workers will think that I'm biased, but here are some points that I've been thinking about on this whole mess:

- Why the sense of entitlement? Your jobs already pay way better and offer better security than any other jobs out there that require the same education background and experience. Why not appreciate what you have instead of asking for more, especially when the economy is unstable?

- I keep hearing some postal workers saying how physically demanding their jobs are, but how about construction workers, roadside workers, warehouse workers, city cleanup workers, garbage men, bike couriers, etc the list goes on and on. I'm sorry but walking for x KMs a day cannot be tougher than all those jobs I've just listed, and they sure as hell don't get paid as well as postal workers.

- I know it was Canada Post that locked out the workers, but didn't 92% of Union members voted in favor of a (rotation) strike? and didn't the Union and CP have 7 months to work out something that will work for both sides? Ever heard of compromises?

I guess like many Canadians, I'm upset at this strike because it's starting to affect us on different levels, and what for? So that postal workers can get more money, more vacation days, more sick days, and more benefits? I've never heard of any jobs where the worker is unhappy and instead of looking for other alternatives, they whine and go on strike so that their bosses will pay them more for the same amount of work they're currently doing.

Postal workers have it real good... please learn to appreciate what you have.

Flame suit on.

i agree

[604778]

I think tons of people already paid their credit card , cell phone, internet.. etc bills.
Just wasting tons of paper right there..

[Culverin]

I think tons of people already paid their credit card , cell phone, internet.. etc bills.
Just wasting tons of paper right there..

Exactly!
I get more spam mail from my banks than any other mail combined.
I wonder how many people have caught up to the internet age and registered for online banking because of this incident. Welcome to the new millennium guys.

[ShadowBun]

more like stuff people bought are not shipped in time
bank and bills are simple to pay

[ImportXxX]

I'll probably get some fails for saying this but I think it's wrong for the Union to hold the public to ransom so that they can get better pay, pension, and benefits. I'm only saying this as an observer so I'm sure those that are postal workers will think that I'm biased, but here are some points that I've been thinking about on this whole mess:

- Why the sense of entitlement? Your jobs already pay way better and offer better security than any other jobs out there that require the same education background and experience. Why not appreciate what you have instead of asking for more, especially when the economy is unstable?

- I keep hearing some postal workers saying how physically demanding their jobs are, but how about construction workers, roadside workers, warehouse workers, city cleanup workers, garbage men, bike couriers, etc the list goes on and on. I'm sorry but walking for x KMs a day cannot be tougher than all those jobs I've just listed, and they sure as hell don't get paid as well as postal workers.

- I know it was Canada Post that locked out the workers, but didn't 92% of Union members voted in favor of a (rotation) strike? and didn't the Union and CP have 7 months to work out something that will work for both sides? Ever heard of compromises?

I guess like many Canadians, I'm upset at this strike because it's starting to affect us on different levels, and what for? So that postal workers can get more money, more vacation days, more sick days, and more benefits? I've never heard of any jobs where the worker is unhappy and instead of looking for other alternatives, they whine and go on strike so that their bosses will pay them more for the same amount of work they're currently doing.

Postal workers have it real good... please learn to appreciate what you have.

Flame suit on.

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.

i've been in construction as a plumer, autobody worker, warehouse worker, in restaurant industry and even working for fedex as courier. I gota say fedex was the toughest job i had. Sure in construction and automotive, it's dirty and sweaty job but they get paid pretty well for it. But as a courier, man there were days where i work 12 hours with no break or lunch cause of all the deliveries commitment. Imagine they put you in an area where you don't know jack of where to go say surrey since i'm from vancouver..lol. and you have to attemp every deliveries you have or else customer can complain and get the money back. It's pretty tough when you have 100 deliveries to do in a day if you dont know where to go..i've been there..

as for city workers? man you know how easy of a job they have? i know somene that cleans and take care of the vancouver parks. You don't have to do alot he told me. you just gota finish that part that is assign to you and that's it...if you do anything more they will shit on you for doing extra work...lol so he would spend 4 hours on doing nothing sometimes..and city construction workers, have you seen how they work lately? next time you drive by, take a good look of how hard they work.

[sKyLinekc]

2011/06/22 08:53 CANADA Labour disruption affecting this location; item delayed
2011/06/14 20:22 International item has left the origin country and is en route to Canada
2011/06/13 09:09 International item mailed in origin country

=( haha

[Amuse]

Other countries are not shipping to Canada now. I can't even order stuff to mail to Canada.

[6insomnia9]

Sad times it is.

[dark0821]

fail... my cheques are stuck in the mail somewhere =.=

sigh....

[LiquidTurbo]

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.

i've been in construction as a plumer, autobody worker, warehouse worker, in restaurant industry and even working for fedex as courier. I gota say fedex was the toughest job i had. Sure in construction and automotive, it's dirty and sweaty job but they get paid pretty well for it. But as a courier, man there were days where i work 12 hours with no break or lunch cause of all the deliveries commitment. Imagine they put you in an area where you don't know jack of where to go say surrey since i'm from vancouver..lol. and you have to attemp every deliveries you have or else customer can complain and get the money back. It's pretty tough when you have 100 deliveries to do in a day if you dont know where to go..i've been there..

as for city workers? man you know how easy of a job they have? i know somene that cleans and take care of the vancouver parks. You don't have to do alot he told me. you just gota finish that part that is assign to you and that's it...if you do anything more they will shit on you for doing extra work...lol so he would spend 4 hours on doing nothing sometimes..and city construction workers, have you seen how they work lately? next time you drive by, take a good look of how hard they work.

+1.

[taylor192]

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.
There are janitors that do harder work for far less cash and cannot retire at 55 with a nice pension. Its an uneducated manual labour job, there's no reason for the benefits to be as good as they are.

The reason construction jobs pay so well is that there were few people to do them. Visit the interior now and see how much they are still paying... if they can find work. Crews are lowballing each other just to get contracts in the interior, cutting employees and salaries.

That's how private industry works, when demand is high salaries/benefits usually have to match to attract workers. When demand is low, salaries/benefits/jobs are cut. Demand at CPC is down, not up, so which direction should salary/benefits go?

[Meowjin]

People have been calling the government to privatize Canada Post for awhile now... I think Canada Post is the only crown corporation that's left that hasn't done that.

Why can't we whine and complain? People's livelihoods depend on essential services like mail and parcel, and when they're not making a living because someone else is trying to get more money, they sure as hell have the right to voice their complaints.

There are tons of crown corporations still.

You could always go the private route when you go with mail and parcel delivery.

Hint: Crown corporations are not monopolies. Unless it's ICBC.

[Meowjin]

The reason construction jobs pay so well is that there were few people to do them. Visit the interior now and see how much they are still paying... if they can find work.



http://careers.infooil.com/jobs/c219p27/canada.construction.jobs.aspx

inb4 taylor starts name calling.

[taylor192]

http://careers.infooil.com/jobs/c219p27/canada.construction.jobs.aspx

inb4 taylor starts name calling.

What part of "interior BC" did you not understand? You should be called names for your lack of comprehension.

Go to Kelowna and try and get a construction job, or at least look that up before you reply ignorantly again.

You're as bad as the stupid BC teachers who whine about wanting to make as much as Alberta teachers, while BC has an over supply of teachers and Alberta not enough. Perhaps you should take an introductory economics course, it might help you learn something.

[gars]

:rolleyes:

Don't know how citizens here can live in a semi-socialist country but whine and complain when an industry goes on strike.

Why can't people whine and complain? How does the Postal Workers having better benefits/pay make MY life easier? Am I supposed to sleep better knowing that they're treated better while I'm still making the same at my job?

I'm all for arbitration, by having a 3rd party figuring out what is realistic and fair for both parties, but I think unions these days are just trying to strong-arm their bosses by going on strike.

[Bonjour43MA]

i'm not a letter carrier but you do know that they don't just walk and deliver mails. They have to sort at first and it's all depends on what route you have and location you're working in. Some are easy and some hard but Say if you work in north van, would you like having to carry a 50lbs bag everyday for 4 or more hours walking up and down, everyday..rain or shine?? Alot of people in there have problems with their back due to all the lifting and walking at a certain age.

i've been in construction as a plumer, autobody worker, warehouse worker, in restaurant industry and even working for fedex as courier. I gota say fedex was the toughest job i had. Sure in construction and automotive, it's dirty and sweaty job but they get paid pretty well for it. But as a courier, man there were days where i work 12 hours with no break or lunch cause of all the deliveries commitment. Imagine they put you in an area where you don't know jack of where to go say surrey since i'm from vancouver..lol. and you have to attemp every deliveries you have or else customer can complain and get the money back. It's pretty tough when you have 100 deliveries to do in a day if you dont know where to go..i've been there..

as for city workers? man you know how easy of a job they have? i know somene that cleans and take care of the vancouver parks. You don't have to do alot he told me. you just gota finish that part that is assign to you and that's it...if you do anything more they will shit on you for doing extra work...lol so he would spend 4 hours on doing nothing sometimes..and city construction workers, have you seen how they work lately? next time you drive by, take a good look of how hard they work.

Again, I'm not a postal worker either so my opinon may be biased, but I've worked as a warehouse worker before (way back, maybe 10 years ago in my freshmen years), lifting fridges, TVs, furniture, etc for 9 hours a day, and I just can't imaging how much harder it could be for someone to sort out mail, then walk around to deliver them. I'm not trying to shoot down the job itself as I'm sure many take pride in their work, but when it comes down to it, you don't need to goto post-secondary for 2~4 years, or perform manual labour to a point where you wish you were dead, and yet still get paid for more than a lot of those people that have better education or have to work harder.

People are selfish and greedy in general but to spend 7 months neotigating something, and then going on a (rotation) strike, then eventually getting locked out and not being able to DO YOUR JOB which directly impacts the lives of everyday people, is just too much for me to accept and to side with right now. It's good that these postal workers were able to get the job and get paid well and have good benefits - good on them, but I just wish they could be more appreciative of what they have, and not what they want to have.

This is not a problem between Canadians and the postal workers so we should not be affected by it. Management from both sides need to make compromises to come to an agreement but NOT at the expense of the Canadian economy.

[taylor192]

I'm all for arbitration, by having a 3rd party figuring out what is realistic and fair for both parties, but I think unions these days are just trying to strong-arm their bosses by going on strike.
Arbitration sucks, and would be the worst thing for CPC. Mediators almost always favour the employee, and will prevent CPC from making the cuts it needs to and we'll be back in this same situation when the contract expires.

As much as I want them back to work, I would rather CPC lock them out for a month. The average Canadian doesn't have enough savings to last more than a few weeks (look it up, it is sadly true) so CPC can play hardball and eventually the union will have to cave.

[nosaj]

the debate went overnight and is still going on right now :facepalm:

you can stream it live on cbc news lol
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/24/postal-strike-debate.html

[taylor192]

the debate went overnight and is still going on right now :facepalm:

you can stream it live on cbc news lol
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/06/24/postal-strike-debate.html

Each MP gets to speak for 20 mins in each session if they wish, so ~140 MPs get to speak for 20 mins each, so this could go 46 hrs.

It is just a delay tactic by the opposition, and a waste of time.

[nosaj]

yep tell me about it....they are just wasting their time and our tax money

just get this sht done ffs.

[Expresso]

Arbitration sucks, and would be the worst thing for CPC. Mediators almost always favour the employee, and will prevent CPC from making the cuts it needs to and we'll be back in this same situation when the contract expires.

As much as I want them back to work, I would rather CPC lock them out for a month. The average Canadian doesn't have enough savings to last more than a few weeks (look it up, it is sadly true) so CPC can play hardball and eventually the union will have to cave.

Do they get any kind of pay through the Union or otherwise in this situation?

[bcrdukes]

I believe they get strike pay or some kind of assistance through the union but it's really not enough to support a family, or heck, even just yourself.

[anti_rice]

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up but i'm not trolling thru this entire thread to make sure.

Canada post has been complaining mail volume is down and they are short of money but did you know they are spending $1.3 Billion on a new facility out by the airport. I'm no postal worker but for a company complaining about loosing money and mail volume what's the point of spending more money on new infrastructure that they don't need.

[JKam]

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up but i'm not trolling thru this entire thread to make sure.

Canada post has been complaining mail volume is down and they are short of money but did you know they are spending $1.3 Billion on a new facility out by the airport. I'm no postal worker but for a company complaining about loosing money and mail volume what's the point of spending more money on new infrastructure that they don't need.

Maybe it will make them more efficient resulting in saving money in the long run. Companies don't think in short run terms and if they do, they never make it to long run anyways.

[taylor192]

I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up but i'm not trolling thru this entire thread to make sure.

Canada post has been complaining mail volume is down and they are short of money but did you know they are spending $1.3 Billion on a new facility out by the airport. I'm no postal worker but for a company complaining about loosing money and mail volume what's the point of spending more money on new infrastructure that they don't need.

Maybe it will make them more efficient resulting in saving money in the long run. Companies don't think in short run terms and if they do, they never make it to long run anyways.
^ this.

CPC has been making huge investments in infrastructure to modernize and automate facilities to save costs down the road. The plan is to have employees leave through attrition and not replace them, instead automate or eliminate their job.

[Roach]

I believe they get strike pay or some kind of assistance through the union but it's really not enough to support a family, or heck, even just yourself.

I was talking to my best friend's dad about the strike as he is a retired Canada Post worker. He mentioned that although strike pay is minimal, he would just make up loss in income in the time following the strike as they would get OT to catch up on all the backed up mail.

He mentioned that he actually enjoyed strike time! lol.

Kev

[taylor192]

Do they get any kind of pay through the Union or otherwise in this situation?

I believe they get strike pay or some kind of assistance through the union but it's really not enough to support a family, or heck, even just yourself.

Its ~$50/day, and most unions state you have to be on the picket lines to receive it.

For every 1 week they are striking/locked out, they lose ~2% of their salary. Thus if they are asking for 3% increase for each of 4 years, it only takes 6 weeks (6 x 2% == 4 x 3% for the math challenged) of strikes or lockout to render all gains moot.

This is why striking for money is dumb. Strike for job security or benefits.

[suprasian]

strike pay is about 175 dollars if you were to picket 5 consecutive days. which works to about 35 bucks a day? give or take.

[tgill]

Canada Post mgmt are a bunch of assholes, locking out the workers to force the government hand.

Instead of wasting everyones time they should be legislating Canada Post to lift the lockout and allow the workers to work under the old contract while negotiations take place.

The government should not be used a backhanded negotiation tactic for a crown corporations mgmt.

[AlphaKappa]

live stream :
http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&template_id=46&hl=e

honestly the executive members are fucking retarded, they're saying businesses are suffering blah blah blah which was caused by a lockout, but they are unanswerring the question from the NDP of "why did you put a lockout then?", fricking ridiculous this argument is going nowhere with the executives denying things that they did..

[Razor Ramon HG]

I believe they get strike pay or some kind of assistance through the union but it's really not enough to support a family, or heck, even just yourself.

You get paid $175 a week picketing.

[tiger_handheld]

Canada Post should be privatized!

We will have an efficient mail delivery system without hitches.

[AlphaKappa]

Canada Post should be privatized!

We will have an efficient mail delivery system without hitches.

LOL, if it's privatized they would want more labor from workers. More people will be fired, and if you don't know already they're introducing a robot to shuffle mail, meaning people just go to work pick up the mail from the robot, and work for longer periods = other people getting laid off, and others spending more others doing work. If they privatize it they will need more money to keep the company going and in order to do that they'll fire some workers, etc..

[Noizz]

Canada Post should be privatized!

We will have an efficient mail delivery system without hitches.
Great, then we'll have retarded customs/border duties when shipping from outside of Canada.

I've never had to pay customs/duties on anything shipped via USPS -> Canada post, nor had any problems. Yet when anything gets sent UPS or FedEx, I get a nice $15-$40 bullshit fee.

[taylor192]

Canada Post mgmt are a bunch of assholes, locking out the workers to force the government hand.

Instead of wasting everyones time they should be legislating Canada Post to lift the lockout and allow the workers to work under the old contract while negotiations take place.

The government should not be used a backhanded negotiation tactic for a crown corporations mgmt.

Why are they assholes? The union started strikes to force CPCs hand, and it backfired with reduced volume and a lockout. It serves the union right for starting a war they couldn't win.

[AlphaKappa]

^you're an idiot, they did rotating strikes so workers could still work, the management SHUT DOWN canada post and put it in a lockdown.. the union didn't have an intention of a lockout

[saiko]

My Stanley Cup patches were ordered June 7th, shipped June 9th and still hasn't arrived. :fuuuuu:

[tgill]

Why are they assholes? The union started strikes to force CPCs hand, and it backfired with reduced volume and a lockout. It serves the union right for starting a war they couldn't win.

Management knew that if it locked out workers, the government would have no choice but to backhand the union and offer what it deemed a fair contract. A contract that is lesser than even what Canada Post just offered in its final hours. Also, lets not forget this is not just about wages.

When legal rotating strikes were taking place, my goddamn mail was being delivered. When management locked its workers out, my mail ceased being delivered.

Therefore, fuck Canada Post management.

[Bonjour43MA]

I'm so sick of this shit. JUST END THIS THING NOW ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR PARCELS

The Union is greedy and wants more
Canada Post is greedy and don't want to give more
The Conservatives are doing what a majority government should be doing
The NDPs are being a bunch of morons by dragging out the inevitable

all this for what? so that regular Canadians have to suffer through someone else's employment contract dispute? FUCK THAT. It's not my problem so stop being a bunch of morons and deal with your differences at your own leisure time. Rotating strike is still a strike, and Canada Post is arrogant for locking the workers out. Both sides are at fault but DON'T DRAG ME INTO IT.

What a bunch of selfish people we're seeing here.... ME ME ME I want more more and more. :stfu:

[Datsun]

The only consolation is that those dumbasses in charge dont get their mail either.

[Bonjour43MA]

live stream :
http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&template_id=46&hl=e


listening to these morons just make my head spin. the NDP is making the Posties' working condition sound like the most dangerous and treacherous environment out there, and that they DESERVE good pay, DESERVE good pension, DESERVE this, DESERVE that.

:stfu: Why are postal workers so much more special than any other hardworking Canadian out there?

The longer this thing drags on the less I feel sympathetic of the Union and its members.

[sexyaccord]

can someone explain why NDP is delaying this bill?
what do they have to gain?

[1exotic]

I want my FUCKING HKS SSQV3 BOV from Japan, SHOULD'VE BEEN HERE LAST WEEK.. :fuuuuu::fuuuuu:

[taylor192]

^you're an idiot, they did rotating strikes so workers could still work, the management SHUT DOWN canada post and put it in a lockdown.. the union didn't have an intention of a lockout
Don't call me an idiot when you're so retarded you don't even understand the word "strike". The union started the strikes to send a message, a lame message with rotating strikes that did nothing for their cause, and it backfired, so fuck them and fuck you.

[taylor192]

can someone explain why NDP is delaying this bill?
what do they have to gain?
The NDP is supported by unions. They must stand up to this or risk losing a lot of core support.

[taylor192]

Management knew that if it locked out workers, the government would have no choice but to backhand the union and offer what it deemed a fair contract. A contract that is lesser than even what Canada Post just offered in its final hours. Also, lets not forget this is not just about wages.

When legal rotating strikes were taking place, my goddamn mail was being delivered. When management locked its workers out, my mail ceased being delivered.

Therefore, fuck Canada Post management.
No, fuck the union.

I'll put it into terms the retards here will understand. If you slap me in the face (threats to strike) then run around in circles to get away from me (rotating strikes) don't get upset when I knock you the fuck out (lockout) and kick you while you're down (Bill C-6).

The legal rotating strikes were to send a message, they just don't like the legal response. The lockout is legal, and what the Conservative government is doing is legal. You may not like it, the union may hate it, yet the union threw down the first challenge, and they are getting served.

As I said, don't start a war you cannot finish. The union was dumb to start this, and it will be ended, legally, once the motion eventually passes and becomes law.

[taylor192]

listening to these morons just make my head spin. the NDP is making the Posties' working condition sound like the most dangerous and treacherous environment out there, and that they DESERVE good pay, DESERVE good pension, DESERVE this, DESERVE that.

:stfu: Why are postal workers so much more special than any other hardworking Canadian out there?

The longer this thing drags on the less I feel sympathetic of the Union and its members.

Why do they get to retire at 55yo with a full pension? Oh ya, somewhere along the lines we forgot that government workers are public servants, and paying them more than the average Canadian with gold plated benefits most Canadians don't have sure doesn't feel like they are my servants.

[MarkyMark]

Fuck I barely ever have stuff shipped to me and now that I have a couple things coming my way this happens, shitty
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[Amuse]

I started to ship stuff to US and pick up there since I don't think it will end soon. Free shipping from Asia and I have to go to the US and pay $3 each package lol. And that is still cheaper than buying from Canada!
The day when the lockout is over, we will all get a bag full of mail.

[RacingMetro92]

I'm watching this debate on CPAC...and jesus, the politicians love to go on tangents that almost seem unrelated to the strike. Filibustering is ridiculous. If this thing goes past Canada Day? :facepalm:

[ShadowBun]

if it does... someone is making a lot of $$ out of this

[Bonjour43MA]

Jack Layton and his NDP goons think that by filibustering this bill, the Canadian public will appreciate their effort in "standing up for the people", and improve their public support. Well Jack, you are DEAD WRONG. The more tricks you pull the more people will see just exactly what the NDP is for, and it is definitely not for the average Canadian.

I don't understand why they want to do this at the expense of the entire economy? If the Union and Canada Post are acutally trying to hammer out a deal AS WE SPEAK, then ok I see the point of dragging out this procedure. But hey guess what, NEITHER SIDE is interested in talking to each other and there's no more negotiation planned! The bill will pass no matter what so there's ABSOLUTELY no point in doing this right now.

Talk about power tripping... Jack Layton and the NDP goons, don't expect to be the official opposition party again in the next election because you won't get it.

[Slifer]

THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS!
How long is this going to go on for?!

[Bonjour43MA]

THIS IS FUCKING RIDICULOUS!
How long is this going to go on for?!

The debate could be dragged out to Sunday and then I think they'll have to vote then. Once the bill is passed it becomes law and the postal workers have to return to work immediately... but then it will also depend on how Canada Post will get things back on track, i.e., they may get the workers to spend the first day or two to sort the mail and parcels, and start delivery again after.

I'm hoping that they will start delivering by next Wednesday at the latest.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Don't care I don't use the mail much at all anyways. Even customers I talk to most of them have switch to E-mail billing or is smart enough to call in about balance owning.

If I was in charge I would totally not do anything. Let those damma unions go on strike till everyone of the workers have no money to even put food on their table. Then have them sign a contract that's the same as any private company and get rib off the union.

Wages and benfits should be determine by how hard you work and how vauleable you are to a company. Not by how long you work in the company.

[Meowjin]

:lol @ people in this thread.

Especially taylor.

[suprasian]

i would like to be thinking that while this is going on the union is considering some concessions and will table one final offer to cpc. the only problem is why would cpc take an offer that undercuts what the government is trying to legislate? im frustrated with this as much as all of you who are waiting for things but what the government is trying to force on us is unreasonable. the union did offer to go back to work, and continue to negotiate with cpc as long as cpc temporary puts back in the old collective agreement in place and they refused. the union is trying to deliver mail here but cpc is just going to sit back and wait for harpers law to be forced on. anyways been trying to keep up with the debates and they say they could be debating for another week so not good.....

[Bonjour43MA]

:lol @ people in this thread.

Especially taylor.

It's frustrating because lots of us have parcels stuck in transit, and have had to make changes to events that were planned around receiving these items ON TIME. One week delay? Fine we'll wait, 2 weeks? 3 weeks? a month? That's more than just some minor inconveniences for some people and that's why people are upset at the situation, and not necessarily at the postal workers.

Like I said, both sides are fucking morons and the Canadian public is suffering the consequences, INCLUDING the postal workers themselves. The NDP is not helping at all by dragging this on and it just makes people even more pissed off at the lockout/strike.

[Super Dipper]

in the end, no one will win. we will all suffer.

some of my co-workers will suffer, cdn's across this country will suffer.

I have little sympathy for mgmt bc during this lockout they are still getting a paycheque. But their hands are also tied bc of the decisions made. some forced, others decided upon. Its an ugly battle no matter which way you look at it. I do appreciate what the NDP are doing, but give it a rest. 40hrs straight in the HOC and you think the banter is going to yeild a decision. The majority govt still holds more seats and will be able to get a majority vote to pass the bill and get the delivery of mail going.

Its situations of this nature that make me glad that my education is going to get me out of this corp and move into more interesting places in my career. My run as a letter carrier and a postal worker of 10 years has been great, but im sick of this constant battle bwtn mgmt and the union.

[Bonjour43MA]

Looks like they're voting now? Live on CPAC.

[suprasian]

look like they're actually still debating. the union however has told the NDP to try and to ammend parts of the legislation which the union feels is most unfair but not the whole bill. cpc and the union have been negotiating today but again nothing fruitful have come from it

[Bonjour43MA]

They passed second reading... so looks like postal workers will be back to work on Monday.

About time.

[AlphaKappa]

No, fuck the union.

I'll put it into terms the retards here will understand. If you slap me in the face (threats to strike) then run around in circles to get away from me (rotating strikes) don't get upset when I knock you the fuck out (lockout) and kick you while you're down (Bill C-6).

The legal rotating strikes were to send a message, they just don't like the legal response. The lockout is legal, and what the Conservative government is doing is legal. You may not like it, the union may hate it, yet the union threw down the first challenge, and they are getting served.

As I said, don't start a war you cannot finish. The union was dumb to start this, and it will be ended, legally, once the motion eventually passes and becomes law.

you're a fucking ignorant asshole, put yourself in the position of the workers

perfect example of how the government is acting as a hypocracy as opposed to a democracy

[Bonjour43MA]

CUPW just sent a letter to Jack Layton, telling him what to do next:
http://www.cupw.ca/index.cfm?ci_id=13408&la_id=1

Can someone explain to me how the NDP "fights for the people" when they are so clearly backed and driven by Unions? Thank god they're not the majority government and I wouldn't be surprised if they lose the title of official opposition in the next election.

[StylinRed]

unions are made by the people for the people against the corporation

of course groups with their own interests will send their wishes to representatives of the govt....

are you trolling or are u just dumb? oO (i havent read the thread so i dont know what role ur taking)

[Vansterdam]

:fuuuuu: i want my jerseyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[taylor192]

you're a fucking ignorant asshole, put yourself in the position of the workers

perfect example of how the government is acting as a hypocracy as opposed to a democracy
You're just ignorant. Call me an asshole all you want, its called business.

I'll put myself in the role of a worker: I'm uneducated doing a manual labour job. I am really fucking lucky to make $50K/yr with gold plated benefits and able to retire early. Really fucking lucky, cause otherwise I'd be stuck working some shit job for 1/2 the pay and terrible benefits. I knew this salary/benefits was too good to be true, and am happy it lasted this long.

The government is doing exactly what it should: protecting the best interest of Canadians which is to get the mail moving again. The terms the government set are similar to what federal unionized employees are getting, so why do you think you deserve more than other government unionized employees? and more than the average Canadian?

That's what makes you an asshole with his hand out to Canadians, just greedy and fucking selfish, you should be ashamed.

[taylor192]

Can someone explain to me how the NDP "fights for the people" when they are so clearly backed and driven by Unions? Thank god they're not the majority government and I wouldn't be surprised if they lose the title of official opposition in the next election.
The NDP have always represented unions, you must be new to politics.

It is disgusting how political parties can be influenced by unions, cause the union will buy votes to turn around and give them better benefits. Its an ugly greedy circle.

[iEatClams]

Don't care I don't use the mail much at all anyways. Even customers I talk to most of them have switch to E-mail billing or is smart enough to call in about balance owning.

If I was in charge I would totally not do anything. Let those damma unions go on strike till everyone of the workers have no money to even put food on their table. Then have them sign a contract that's the same as any private company and get rib off the union.

Wages and benfits should be determine by how hard you work and how vauleable you are to a company. Not by how long you work in the company.

Yes, let's bring everybody's wages and benefits down.

Coming this fall, the CBA for teachers will be up. They might go on strike as well.

I'm not really a fan of Unions as I am an opponent of how the Corporations are acting. They are driven by profits and the bottom line, and with globalization, they can ship jobs overseas to the lowest bidder.

The middle class is shrinking, and the gap between the rich and the poor is getting larger. The cost of living is going up but wages are not increasing.
For the majority, the real dollar pay and benefits are ever decreasing and hours worked are getting longer.

Some of the people on RS here probably live at home and are supported from their parents and never had to truly work for anything in their life. They prob don't know what it feels like to be the average worker whose's supporting a family on average income, only to have companies wanting them to work longer and for less pay.

Ask the average worker and most of them will say they are
1. underpaid,
2. working too long
3. wish they had higher pay and benefits

Then you got the CEOs and executives who have huge bonuses even when there companies lose money or go bankrupt, only to be bailed out by their rich politician friends.

[AlphaKappa]

so why do you think you deserve more than other government unionized employees? and more than the average Canadian?


I never said that. And you're just another brain washed idiot who believes the government always sorts things out.. ps we don't need a government to live, many times the government wasn't controlling a country and no chaos or none of that shit happened, everyone lived happiply.. OH ya, how am i selfish?

[RacingMetro92]

They're voting right now i think

[RacingMetro92]

And the bill goes through 158-113. All those people with your jerseys, REJOICE!

[Amuse]

So what's next?

[RacingMetro92]

^should be that work for CP resumes monday, but like some people have said, sorting and backlog wont have deliveries until wednesday at the earliest

[StylinRed]

it has to pass the senate now

and work should resume shortly after that ( a day?)



edit:

Jun 25, 2011 – 9:09 AM ET | Last Updated: Jun 25, 2011 8:18 PM ET

By Amy Minsky

OTTAWA — Back-to-work legislation parliamentarians have been debating for more than 48 hours passed in the House of Commons Saturday evening.

Labour Minister Lisa Raitt, who introduced the bill Monday said postal workers will be back on the job 24 hours after the bill becomes law. The bill still has to pass in the Senate — a process the federal government has said can be accomplished within one day — and senators will be in the red chamber Sunday to debate the proposed legislation.

Bill-C6 passed third reading shortly after 8:00 — following debate and filibusters that kept the Commons alive since Thursday — by a count of 158-113, with Liberals and New Democrats vehemently opposing its implementation.

“This is not in the interest of the employees, not in the interest of the employers and not in the interest of Canadians,” said Liberal MP Stephane Dion.

But Labour Minister Lisa Raitt said the bill “meets the requirement of the charter.”

Earlier Saturday, the NDP proposed an amendment to address their main point of contention: that the Conservatives’ proposal contains lower wages than what originally was proposed by Canada Post during its negotiations with the union.

Liberal MP Rodger Cuzner called it the “among the most concerning aspects of the bill.”

As debate on back-to-work legislation lurched towards the finish line Saturday afternoon, unionized Canada Post employees thanked the NDP for delaying government efforts to order the 50,000 locked-out workers back on the job.

In a letter to NDP leader Jack Layton, the president of the union said the stalling tactics bought them time, but it hasn’t been enough to end the impasse.

“During the evening of June 24, we held extensive discussions,” Denis Lamelin wrote, noting the union, Raitt and federal mediation services also met Saturday morning. “Despite your efforts and the support and solidarity activities of tens of thousands of people across the country, the negotiations were unsuccessful.”

New Democrat MP Yvon Godin said Saturday the party was pleased it was able to give the workers “three days’ space.

“This discussion created negotiations between the union of the postal workers and the Canada Post. Sadly, negotiations broke.”

Canada Post spokesman Anick Losier said both sides remained “far apart” following a meeting Saturday morning, and no further negotiations were planned.

Because the feuding sides haven’t been able to reach an agreement, the union has asked the NDP to move the process forward so amendments to the bill can be introduced.

Earlier Saturday, the bill passed second reading by 158 votes to 112.

On Saturday evening, MPs began debating amendments to the bill. One of the amendments put forward by the NDP would give the locked-out workers the wage increases included in Canada Post’s last contract offer — wages which are higher than those written into the government’s bill.

As soon as Raitt introduced the bill on Monday — less than one week after the employees were locked out — the NDP vowed to draw out the debate to allow postal workers and their managers more time to strike their own deal instead of being bound to one written by the government.

Canada Post locked out its employees on June 14, after the Canadian Union of Postal Workers conducted 12 days of rotating strikes.
The Crown corporation blamed the two weeks of rotating strikes for estimated losses of $100 million.

Canada Post and the union went through seven months of failed negotiations before the rotating strikes began.

Aside from wages, changing the sick leave plan has also caused contention between the two sides; Canada Post had fought for a short-term disability plan to replace the practice of banking sick days.


http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/06/25/canada-post-back-to-work-bill-the-hill-sleepover-continues/

[spoon.ek9]

my friggin suspension bits are in limbo :fuuuuu:

get back to work canada post! :(

[RacingMetro92]

it has to pass the senate now

and work should resume shortly after that ( a day?)

if it doesnt pass the senate, all those people sitting on their asses in there need to be thrown out. the people sitting in there get paid so much to do basically so little.

man do i love canadian politcs...

[Bonjour43MA]

unions are made by the people for the people against the corporation

of course groups with their own interests will send their wishes to representatives of the govt....

are you trolling or are u just dumb? oO (i havent read the thread so i dont know what role ur taking)

Duh, of course I know they can send their "wishes" to the MPs they've elected. What I'm saying is the blatant lie that Layton and the NDP spew out when saying that they represent the Canadian public, which is FALSE. They represent a SMALL group of Canadians that hide behind Unions to do the dirty work for them. I can send 10 million letters to any one of the party leaders but hey guess what, they won't do what I tell them to do.

I'm not taking sides because both sides are equally responsible for this mess, but thanks for calling names to show how ignorant you are when dealing with people with different opinions than you.

[taylor192]

:fuckyea:

Love the penalties for defying the order, $50K for the union and $1K for each person, per day.

[taylor192]

if it doesnt pass the senate, all those people sitting on their asses in there need to be thrown out. the people sitting in there get paid so much to do basically so little.

man do i love canadian politcs...
Harper has the Senate stacked too with people who will vote along party lines, so it'll pass.

[StylinRed]

Duh,
I'm not taking sides because both sides are equally responsible for this mess, but thanks for calling names to show how ignorant you are when dealing with people with different opinions than you.

i wasn't calling names those were the 2 obvious categories that your comments could fall into

so i asked for clarification :P and you gave it, thx :)


(you were trollin)

[dark0821]

YESH... paycheques... here i come LOL

[Jermyzy]

Bill is passed

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/filibuster-continues-ndp-says-locked-posties-could-back-151926412.html

[LW]

Waste of time and money.

[shenmecar]

FINALLY, MAILLLLLLLL, HOW I MISSED YOU SOOOOOOO

[falcon]

Fuck unions. Seriously... Good in the 30's/40's etc., these days just a shield for lazy ass workers wanting more than their worth.

[RacingMetro92]

And the Senate passes the bill, mail could be delivered as early as Tuesday.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCATRE75M58420110627

[dignatas]

fuck i really need my credit card to come in... :alone:

[carisear]

I kinda find it amusing how the union is crying foul about how the arbitrator has to pick one, or the other; and not find a common ground between the two sides.

that tells me one thing: that they know their offer is unreasonable, and will get rejected.

if i had submitted my absolute final offer for something, i would be confident in it that it is fair, and that any level-headed mediator will choose my submission.

Now if CP had been crying foul as well, then i'd prolly think that both sides were playing hardball, and they both need to get back to the table to work on it more, but from the few reports i've read, they haven't commented on it.

[StylinRed]

I kinda find it amusing how the union is crying foul about how the arbitrator has to pick one, or the other; and not find a common ground between the two sides.

that tells me one thing: that they know their offer is unreasonable, and will get rejected.

if i had submitted my absolute final offer for something, i would be confident in it that it is fair, and that any level-headed mediator will choose my submission.

Now if CP had been crying foul as well, then i'd prolly think that both sides were playing hardball, and they both need to get back to the table to work on it more, but from the few reports i've read, they haven't commented on it.


both sides believe that final offers are the best they're willing to do...

that's why the fair approach would be a middle ground of both offers

[RacingMetro92]

both sides believe that final offers are the best they're willing to do...

that's why the fair approach would be a middle ground of both offers

but then that middle ground works both ways because one will want to get a better deal than the other side. then the cycle repeats itself and there's a stalemate in negotiations again.

if both sides met at a middle, then there wouldnt have been a need for legislation to put postal workers back to work. it sucks how corporations/unions try to work together, but when demands arent met/ demands are too high, this strike happens.

[taylor192]

I kinda find it amusing how the union is crying foul about how the arbitrator has to pick one, or the other; and not find a common ground between the two sides.

that tells me one thing: that they know their offer is unreasonable, and will get rejected.
I absolutely agree. From the material I've read the union has offered no concessions on pensions or sick days, and nothing substantial on salary.

My bet is the next union proposal will throw new employees under the bus and offer concessions, or risk having the arbitrator chose CPC's proposal.

[604778]

I was just watching the news. Apparently the Canada post workers are not happy about going back to work. At least 300 people are at downtonw's Canada post. Also we could be getting our mail tomorrow.

[ShadowBun]

sweeeeet

[yameen]

does the new bill affect all unions or just canada post? what about nurses?

[alex.w *//]

sweet

[godwin]

Nurses is provincial jurisdiction. Also there are more of them and they hurt the bloc that vote most "seniors"

With Nurses and Teachers going into contract negotiations right before the provincial elections.. it will be interesting.

does the new bill affect all unions or just canada post? what about nurses?

[Jgresch]

Apparently the Canada post workers are not happy about going back to work. .

Geeze, what private detective figured this one out?

[Vansterdam]

sooo did the workers get anything in the bill besides going back to work?

[hk20000]

when they go to work they will get swept away by a tsunami of mail and parcels.

[godwin]

They got a "worse than Canada Post's final offer" imposed on them.

sooo did the workers get anything in the bill besides going back to work?