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Parents' Voice, a group against the Burnaby school district's new anti-homophobia policy, is circulating a letter encouraging parents to pull their kids out of class over moral objections.
The letter is the latest in an ongoing controversy over policy 5.45, which is designed to protect staff and students from homophobic bullying and harassment. Parents' Voice claims the policy infringes on their rights to educate their children, according to their moral beliefs.
The letter requests alternative delivery for all curriculum that may undermine parents' moral convictions regarding "non-heterosexual inclinations and/or behaviours."
"Our deeply help beliefs hold as an ideal the concept of the family as founded on the life-long commitment of one man and one woman to one another in marriage and on their commitment to the welfare of their children.
"Furthermore, our deeply held beliefs hold that human sexuality is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves to one another in marriage," the letter states.
"Nothing taught to our child in the school should undermine our beliefs, nor cause our child to question the moral teaching of our family. The school should seek to protect all children entrusted to it and to the best of its ability protect all from harassment, but it shall in no way teach our child concepts of the family or human sexuality that diverge from our moral convictions."
The letter was sent out through the group's email list and includes instructions, recommending parents make multiple copies, get principals to sign it and request the letter be kept on file at their children's school.
"We encourage every body to see the principal and sign the alternative delivery for the concerned parents," said Parents' Voice member Belinda Bai. "This is the way now we can protect our kids."
The Burnaby resident delivered a signed copy of the letter to her child's school Thursday morning but said the principal would not sign it.
"So, basically I just served her the documents, and she said she will pass (them on) to the school board," Bai said. "The principal is quite good. She is fully aware of what's going on."
According to another district policy based on Education Ministry rules, students can be pulled out of classes if they or their parents find the curriculum materials "sensitive," but only in areas regarding sexual health: Health and Career Education (from kindergarten to Grade 9) and Planning 10.
The school district is seeking legal advice on how to deal with the form letter.
Read more: http://www.burnabynow.com/life/Burna...#ixzz1QY7puHG8 | http://www.theparentsvoice.org/Welcome.html
Ok... you'd think that by being the visible minority in this society, that some of these Asian parents would at least understand the importance and value of respect and open-mindedness. But NOOOO... they had to come together as a group and go on national TV/news to bitch about how they don't want their kids to be taught/educated about homosexuality and how to accept those that are different....  Bunch of selfish, ignorant folks setting bad examples for their kids.
"Mommy I have a friend that is a boy that talks like a girl, why is he like that?"
"Well kid, the boy is an abomination to man kind and you don't want to be like that. Don't ever talk to him again because he is different and that is wrong"
"Ok mommy. And, and... why is my skin a different color than my classmates? why do I look different? is there something wrong with me?"
"............................. no those people are just racist. They are rednecks that don't know how to be open-minded and respectful of those that are different than them."
"But mommy you just said......"
"Goto your room"
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your title "homophobic parents = fail" can easily be up for discussion.
our parents were brought up in the days where homosexuality was frowned upon in society.
however, there is a difference between homophobic parents failing to be good parents, and homophobic parents trying to be good role models.
on one hand, you have homophobic parents, like these ones, preventing their children as well as other children from learning the truth about people, how they think and how they look at people.
on the other hand, you have homophobic parents that know that the tides are changing and that their children should be aware of such things as homosexuality.
my parents grew up being taught / believing that homosexuality is a no no. however they support it because they understand that people change and you cannot forbid someone to have emotions for someone of the same race / forbid them to want to marry someone they love, regardless of sex.
on the other hand, i have friends who have parents who just like mine, grew up being taught / believing that homosexuality is a no no. unlike my parents though, they are still against it and do not hold back in discriminating against them.
just because many parents grew up believing that homosexuality is bad, doesn't mean every parent is a failure to open their children's eyes to homosexuality.
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on the flip side, you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think the majority of people don't have a "not in my back yard" attitude towards this subject.
not while the babyboomers and older people are alive. Maybe when genX or maybe genY are in their 80's, the world will be ready.
old ways will always be held, as long as they exist in the people that were raised in that time. that's a fact, and they're the ones in power still.
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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma  on the flip side, you'd have to be pretty ignorant to think the majority of people don't have a "not in my back yard" attitude towards this subject.
not while the babyboomers and older people are alive. Maybe when genX or maybe genY are in their 80's, the world will be ready.
old ways will always be held, as long as they exist in the people that were raised in that time. that's a fact, and they're the ones in power still. | would you agree that there are a lot of people that have mixed emotions, or are actually against homophobia that are just saying they support it, or have no idea what to say? or just say that they support it?
i mean hell there's 2 gay kids and 1 lesbian in my grade, and everyone says they support them and have nothing against them but who knows how many of them are just saying it.
just like in society, you have to imagine how many people are holding back from saying "well...actually im against it."
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Originally Posted by lllggg would you agree that there are a lot of people that have mixed emotions, or are actually against homophobia that are just saying they support it, or have no idea what to say? or just say that they support it?
i mean hell there's 2 gay kids and 1 lesbian in my grade, and everyone says they support them and have nothing against them but who knows how many of them are just saying it.
just like in society, you have to imagine how many people are holding back from saying "well...actually im against it." |
fuckin OF COURSE dude.
like i said... "not in my backyard".
"oh it's fine to be gay, davie street etc etc... (as long as it's not where i live)".
there's nothing wrong, and there's nothing right about it either. It just is.
you have the supporters, and you have the people against it. and everyone else inbetween.
there's a billion reasons why it's wrong. there's a billion reasons why it's okay.
just cuz hating is wrong, makes it wrong?
just cuz no one's getting hurt, makes it right?
everyone has different perspectives, and there's no way everyone's going to agree. you're going to have to brain wash as many people as possible to side with you, or kill the people that don't agree. Majority wins. and majority will be right (for the time being).
the way i see it is, more and more people will be taught it's okay, therefore sometime in the future, it will be deemed a-okay by most people in this world.
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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma fuckin OF COURSE dude.
like i said... "not in my backyard".
"oh it's fine to be gay, davie street etc etc... (as long as it's not where i live)".
there's nothing wrong, and there's nothing right about it either. It just is.
you have the supporters, and you have the people against it. and everyone else inbetween.
there's a billion reasons why it's wrong. there's a billion reasons why it's okay.
just cuz hating is wrong, makes it wrong?
just cuz no one's getting hurt, makes it right?
everyone has different perspectives, and there's no way everyone's going to agree. you're going to have to brain wash as many people as possible to side with you, or kill the people that don't agree. Majority wins. and majority will be right (for the time being).
the way i see it is, more and more people will be taught it's okay, therefore sometime in the future, it will be deemed a-okay by most people in this world. | this
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This is one of those tough issues to get through. On one hand, you need to make sure that everyone's educated on the subject so that you don't have misinformation being the source of bullying and name-calling. On the other hand, you have issues to protect as far as parents (and society in general) pushing the heterosexual normality. And let's be honest, the majority is heterosexual, so they do have something going there.
I'm personally all for education, regardless of what peoples' belief systems are. I teach internationals, and often get seriously differing viewpoints than those that are taught here. Whether or not they want to believe what I'm teaching, they need to understand what the majority of people here believe so that they can deal with it and aren't constantly fighting. One of the constant fights I have is the sea in the midst of Korea, China and Japan. Koreans call it the East Sea, Chinese people call it the East China sea, and Japanese people call it the Sea of Japan. In Western maps it's called the Sea of Japan and what I constantly tell my students is "It's not important what you call it, you can call it whatever you want when you talk to your friends or family or whomever--but if you call it the East Sea, people will try and correct you because from their perspective it's wrong".
Whether or not people personally believe something doesn't mean that it should be completely ignored. And if it isn't taught at school, it definitely won't be taught at home. Those students whose parents "don't believe" in the morality of that stuff just have some more explaining and rationalizing to do with their kids. That's all it comes down to.
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Originally Posted by Ulic Qel-Droma there's a billion reasons why it's wrong. there's a billion reasons why it's okay.
just cuz hating is wrong, makes it wrong?
just cuz no one's getting hurt, makes it right? | Actually, I always seem to find haters without any sort of significant backing on why being gay is "wrong". If nothing else, it seems gay parents adopt into a loving family. Meaning they are taking a child society forgot and giving him/her a home.
As for the hating part and the nobody getting hurt part?
Yep, you've pretty much summed it up. That is how we treat things in North America. You can't hate on anybody for their choices as long as they aren't hurting anybody else. Welcome to the free world.
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I don't think it's that simple.
Sure you can do what you want, but is it correct to force others to accept your views?
Does the disapproval of certain act make one a hater by definition? Does that make one a xxx phobia?
Where does one draw the line? Why is Polygamy wrong but Gay marriage right? Majority rules?
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Good points by you guys. Nice to hear different opinions on this issue as I'm sure somewhere down the road we all may have to deal with it with our own kids.
My title might be slightly misleading and yes I agree that of course not all homophobic parents are bad parents. I think it's important for parents to set good examples on HOW to deal with people that hold different beliefs than you, in the most respectful and civil way possible. Pulling your kids out of school because of anti-gay policies is basically telling your kids that it's okay to discriminate against gay people because they don't follow the same "moral principles" that you were brought up with.
Plus, the thing I find ironic is that these parents, most likely 1st generation immigrants, KNOW what it's like to be discriminated against, know what it's like to be looked at as outsiders, yet they don't try not to do the same to other members of the society that are also considered to be different and "not the norm". If anything, and regardless of what they think of homosexuality, they should at least teach their kids properly on how to deal with people and situations like this.
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i might get some hate for this but ima say it.
as an asian myself from an asian family, i feel somewhat....a mix of angry/ashamed that this group is predominantly asian.
it's one thing to take your kids out of school because you feel the teachings are inadequate, but it's another to take them out for your own beliefs.
i mean since when if your own belief / values, the education your child needs in life?
leaving your home country for a new and better life is a tough thing to do.
on one hand, putting your kids in a new education system (compared to say taiwan, china, hk) is obviously a challenge, it will be hard to adapt to at first. this goes for everyone, white, black, chinese, japanese, european.
on the other hand, it's a different story when you immigrate to a foreign country, and then downright challenge their views of how to educate children.
especially when you think how many parents in this "group" are valid Canadian citizens who can speak the language of the country in which they choose to challenge.
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Originally Posted by observer Where does one draw the line? Why is Polygamy wrong but Gay marriage right? Majority rules? |
been saying that for ages. why isn't polygamy legal? why isn't bestiality legal? can go on and on.
btw, growing up i hated fags, but now meh, i couldn't care less. so yes, peoples attitudes can change.
i still say shit is gay though, and i'm not sorry for saying it.
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Originally Posted by Graeme S Whether or not people personally believe something doesn't mean that it should be completely ignored. And if it isn't taught at school, it definitely won't be taught at home. Those students whose parents "don't believe" in the morality of that stuff just have some more explaining and rationalizing to do with their kids. That's all it comes down to. |
I think this is where the problem comes in, though. If kids don't get educated on this topic in school (probably with the most politically correct information that one can lean on this topic), and the parents avoid the topic at home, where are the kids going to get their information from? The Internet? Social Media? Those sources are probably the worst places to get educated on sensitive topics like this one, and that's why I think these parents are shooting themselves in the foot by pulling their kids out of an environment where they can be taught about how to deal with people that are different than them.
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Originally Posted by carisear been saying that for ages. why isn't polygamy legal? why isn't bestiality legal? can go on and on.
btw, growing up i hated fags, but now meh, i couldn't care less. so yes, peoples attitudes can change.
i still say shit is gay though, and i'm not sorry for saying it. | my friends that are "fags" don't appreciate being called that, douche.
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^+1; it's no secret that calling a homosexual person a fag is derogatory, no different than calling someone of african descent a niger.
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People fear what they don't understand, and one of the ways to deal with fear is to hate the object/person/issue that you do not/can not deal with.
I've met people that "hate" immigrants because they don't understand the foreign culture, language, ideology, and don't bother to learn about it. Easier to just hate and disregard, I suppose?
Like Carisear said, though, people's attitude change as they become more exposed to the unknown and may become more tolerant as they get older.... or... they could be the polar opposite and be even more ignorant as well. LOL
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Originally Posted by carisear been saying that for ages. why isn't polygamy legal? why isn't bestiality legal? can go on and on.
btw, growing up i hated fags, but now meh, i couldn't care less. so yes, peoples attitudes can change.
i still say shit is gay though, and i'm not sorry for saying it. | I'm nowhere near a polygamist so I wouldn't really know the honest truth first-hand, but from an outsider POV, I believe it stems from Polygammy being abusive in nature.
Again, this is only from an outsider POV (is not always the case) a lot of wives set to marry are under-age or young-in-age no?; and are sort of brainwashed to be submissive.
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(Again, this is not always the case, but usually ARE the case that makes it to light and catches public attention)
But hell, if women do want to marry and share the same guy for life, all the power to them.
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Originally Posted by observer Sure you can do what you want, but is it correct to force others to accept your views? | There is no justification for treating someone worse because they're different than you. No one is trying to force anyone else to accept their view. This is about anti-bullying and harassment in schools, remember? Quote:
Originally Posted by observer Where does one draw the line? Why is Polygamy wrong but Gay marriage right? Majority rules? | Yes, majority DOES rule. Check out democracy, it will blow your mind.
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Originally Posted by carisear been saying that for ages. why isn't polygamy legal? why isn't bestiality legal? can go on and on.
btw, growing up i hated fags, but now meh, i couldn't care less. so yes, peoples attitudes can change.
i still say shit is gay though, and i'm not sorry for saying it. | Polygamy seems to go hand in hand with personality worship and cults. It tends to lead to abuse and also makes it super tricky when dealing with law and ownership issues.
As for bestiality is because it's not something and animal can choose. And at what point do you draw the line? Are you talking horses, goats, dogs, kitties, bunnies and hamsters? Regardless, because the animal cannot choose, the law chose the safe route. I mean seriously, if you're doing a bunny, I think we can safely say that's animal abuse.
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Originally Posted by Nightwalker There is no justification for treating someone worse because they're different than you. No one is trying to force anyone else to accept their view. This is about anti-bullying and harassment in schools, remember?
Yes, majority DOES rule. Check out democracy, it will blow your mind. | I think we need to separate disapproving certain values from bullying. Two different things.
It's really not that simple regarding majority rules. Back in the 60s and 70s, most would disapprove inter-racial marriage in the US, and a man actually was sent to jail for it in Virginia in 1967. At that time, 70% of Americans sided with the judge and disapproved inter-racial marriage thinking that it should be outlawed. http://www.youtube.com/user/AtGoogle.../6/fhCZJOLAq3E
If the majority thinks that a woman is practicing witchcraft and should be stoned, does that make it right?
Tyranny of the majority.
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Just ignore the Parent's Voice group, it will go nowhere as all schools are required to teach about all sexual alternatives, including homosexuality.
My GF teaches sex ed in all schools, from grade 1 through 12. This is a very common topic she has to answer to parents who want to pull their children from her class cause she is going to teach about sexuality that may violate the family's moral values.
She explains to parents that she is not advocating for different form of sexuality, she is merely presenting the facts that different forms of sexuality exist. When parents state they don't want their kid even knowing about homosexuality, she silently laughs then explains their kid already knows, her teaching will just set the facts straight.
I compare it to teaching about culture/race. We learn about all sorts of cultures/races, without bias saying one is better or worse than others. Sexuality can be taught the same way, and if the parents want to add to it by teaching one form of sexuality is better than others, then they are still free to be bigots - yet in their own time, not in school.
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well if the schools teach it so that it's ok to be gay, that goes against Christianity.
asian or caucasian, im sure the majority of people would be outraged if reiligon/anti-religion was taught in school.
but just merely stating the facts itself kinda says that its ok.
what are the chances that Gr. 1 s know about homosexuality.
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Originally Posted by taylor192 I compare it to teaching about culture/race. We learn about all sorts of cultures/races, without bias saying one is better or worse than others. Sexuality can be taught the same way, and if the parents want to add to it by teaching one form of sexuality is better than others, then they are still free to be bigots - yet in their own time, not in school. | It's a fascinating topic, what forms of sexuality to teach in class. Does the school cover masturbation and other many fancies, from bondage, white socks, to ménage à trois?
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'Genderless' Preschool In Sweden Says No More Boys Or Girls http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyl...-1226082516997 | |
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Originally Posted by lllggg your title "homophobic parents = fail" can easily be up for discussion. | I think you do have a point.
Personally, I don't think the race of the spokesperson of this group has anything to do with the subject matter.
It's almost a racist comment to say that being a visible minority and a new immigrant, so and so should shut up and follow what we do here.
It's a clash of moral values, it happens all the time in the world. It's extremely naive to think that there is a simple solution and one side is always right and the other, always wrong.
If the parents are not happy with what is taught in school, let them go ahead and voice their concerns, doesn't bother me a single bit.
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