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07-12-2011, 09:13 AM
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| East Van cross image sparks controversy...
VANCOUVER - When Commercial Drive businessman Bill Pomeroy took some photos of the iconic East Van cross and hung them in his window, he didn’t expect to ignite a controversy about ownership of public images....
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07-12-2011, 09:19 AM
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VANCOUVER - When Commercial Drive businessman Bill Pomeroy took some photos of the iconic East Van cross and hung them in his window, he didn’t expect to ignite a controversy about ownership of public images.
He was selling a few copies at his Artrageous framing store until last week, when he got a surprise visit from Rocco Dipopolo, a former Hells Angel prospect who claimed to have copyrighted the neon East Van cross at Sixth and Clark.
“I have taken a photograph of a public sign. He has copyrighted the same cross with the text. But I am not duplicating his logo, I am duplicating the sign,” Pomeroy said Monday. “It is all quite confusing.”
The City of Vancouver holds a trademark for the neon cross by artist Ken Lum that was installed in January 2010.
And the city has no problem with people taking photos of public art pieces, says manager of communications Barb Floden.
“In fact, we like it when people do that — they are there for the public to enjoy,” Floden said Monday.
Dipopolo did register something called “East Van Inc. + Original Cross” with the Canadian Intellectual Property Office on Jan. 12, 2010 — almost five months before the City of Vancouver got the trademark from the same office for Lum’s sculpture.
An angry Dipopolo said Monday that the image of the cross was first used almost 20 years ago by a Hells Angels puppet club of which he was a member at the time.
“So you seriously want to get into a conversation about why the City of Vancouver has an old gang sign up at Sixth and Clark, why [the city] paid $390,000 to get an old East Van sign that belonged to us? Remember the puppet club for the Hells Angels — remember that 20 years ago?” said Dipopolo, who added he no longer has any gang links.
He said Lum “took that design off a God damn, f---ing park bench. Okay. That design belongs to us — I got a tattoo on my arm from 1993. So where did I get the design from — a park bench?”
After checking with the city’s legal department, Floden said the East Van design is registered “as an `Official Mark’ under the Trademark Act.
“This means that any registration such as the one made by Mr. Dipopolo is not really relevant since, like the `City of Vancouver’ mark and `Stanley Park,’ only the city has the legal authority to permit or prohibit the use of the mark,” Floden said.
“Uses of the mark prior to it being registered as an official mark are grandfathered, so Mr. Dipopolo may have a legal right to continue using it, but he no longer has the authority to prevent his competitors from using it.”
She said the city obtained the official mark status in consultation with Lum because of others trying to claim legal ownership of the image.
Insp. Andy Richards, a biker expert with Port Moody police, confirmed that a gang called the East Enders, of which Dipopolo was a member, used the same image back in the early 1990s.
“Many of them became members of the Hells Angels and some didn’t. He is one that did not. That was their logo — their colours of sorts — and they were very protective of it even 20 years ago,” Richards said.
He said Dipopolo would still be considered a Hells Angel associate because his twin Damiano, another former East Ender, is a full-patch Kelowna Angel.
Pomeroy said he has learned a lot about the East Van cross since he displayed his photos of Lum’s art piece. Some customers have told him they remember the East Van image being used as far back as the 1950s.
He said he actually took his photos at the request of customers who wanted pictures of it. He also sells cards of other famous Vancouver images.
“One night, I went and got a really good photo from underneath the SkyTrain bridge with the sign in the background. Then using a zoom lens, I zoomed in on the cross so it is kind of on an angle. It looks awesome. I had so many comments,” he said.
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07-12-2011, 09:29 AM
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meh, somebody is always trying to make a quick buck....in this case, the city told him to stfu....what an idiot.
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07-12-2011, 09:39 AM
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07-12-2011, 09:50 AM
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trademark/licensing/patent/ suits are annoying as fuck
the website of the guy who claims ownership http://www.eastvaninc.com/ (where the article says he registered the company b4 the cross went up and that it was his "clubs" logo back in the 90s)
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07-12-2011, 09:59 AM
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cant go against the city.
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07-12-2011, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Leopold Stotch  was it that hard to do that? | Sorry!! =(
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07-12-2011, 10:31 AM
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07-12-2011, 10:55 AM
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i dunno what's dumber: a city that pays big money to legally own a gang sign, or some ex gangster idiot who thinks his gang's symbols mean jack shit to any of us. NM the gang guy is definitely dumber lol...
Ken Lum is the only smart one in all of this lol
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07-12-2011, 11:25 AM
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$390,000 for a fucking sign. It would be good money for upgrade our roads/parks/schools/communities instead.
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07-13-2011, 07:54 AM
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I just want to burn east van to the ground.
With all the faggot gangsters that pose in their rap videos with that sign.
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07-13-2011, 11:55 AM
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I'm pretty sure that's the guy who owns East Van Tattoos. He sells clothes with that symbol. And the sign on the door? "East Van. Wear With Respect."
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07-13-2011, 07:12 PM
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E.V THROW IT UP
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07-13-2011, 07:19 PM
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we should use our tax money and destroy that embarassing sign
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07-13-2011, 07:36 PM
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i still remember that east van cross carved into many of the wooden playground sets at my elementary school...ghetto..i was surprised to see a big neon sign of it go up last year.
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07-13-2011, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero i still remember that east van cross carved into many of the wooden playground sets at my elementary school...ghetto..i was surprised to see a big neon sign of it go up last year. | This.
First time I saw it, I thought "no fucking way".
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