[niu99]

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VANCOUVER, British Columbia (Reuters) - A Canadian court cleared the way on Thursday for the extradition of China's most wanted man, dismissing concerns that he could be tortured or executed back home.

Federal Court Judge Michel Shore refused a request to stay the deportation of Lai Changxing, accused by Beijing of running a multibillion-dollar smuggling operation in China in the 1990s.

[ImportXxX]

1 down, still have a million to go...

your picture don't work

[neggo]

Wow, so the time finally came.

Though I'll withhold any of my personal opinions on whether this was the correct thing to do, one of my professors actually had Lai drop in to one of my SFU classes (his sons were actually SFU alumini). He willingly answered questions and spent a good portion of the class with us, a near four hours.

He'll undoubtedly suffer the second he sets foot in China. He isn't one of China's most wanted for nothing.

Another article FYI:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1028196--chinese-fugitive-loses-last-battle-to-stay-in-canada?bn=1

[DragonChi]

That lawyer at that end of the article has got it right.
They won't kill him by execution, but there are other ways to die other than that.

This Lai fellow is in for a hell of a ride...

[bing]

Wow, so the time finally came.

Though I'll withhold any of my personal opinions on whether this was the correct thing to do, one of my professors actually had Lai drop in to one of my SFU classes (his sons were actually SFU alumini). He willingly answered questions and spent a good portion of the class with us, a near four hours.

He'll undoubtedly suffer the second he sets foot in China. He isn't one of China's most wanted for nothing.

Another article FYI:

Chinese fugitive loses last battle to stay in Canada - thestar.com (http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1028196--chinese-fugitive-loses-last-battle-to-stay-in-canada?bn=1)

that would have been interesting, what class was this for? Criminology? LOL

[neggo]

that would have been interesting, what class was this for? Criminology? LOL

:fullofwin:

It was actually for a Modern Chinese History seminar. Basically, a class that explored the inner workings of modern day Chinese governments. It was very interesting indeed. We even had reporters for a Chinese newspaper in the class as well.

[StylinRed]

some may not know this

but theres a power struggle going on currently in china

1 faction wants Lai there to use him against the other

the other faction doesn't want Lai there


that's why Jiangs condition (its believed he's dead) is being kept secret as he's the "leader" of one of the factions in the struggle


my cousin actually knows Lai has dinner @ his home regularly he was sure he wouldn't get deported (lai)

[Geoc]

wow, the justice system actually prevailed this time..

[StylinRed]

has nothing to do with the justice system


this is all politics

[stewie]

well had he not done what he did, he wouldnt be scared to go back to china.

dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

[Teriyaki]

Yea, why resist so hard if you know you're innocent.

The politics of this is exactly why this whole ordeal has dragged on for so long. IMO, we're trading away one baddie, to keep a steady influx of rich tourism/immigration dollars flowing our way.

[Manic!]

well had he not done what he did, he wouldnt be scared to go back to china.

dont do the crime if you cant do the time.

it's China. You don't have to be guilty to go to jail. Even in Canada innocent people sometimes get locked up.

[Culture_Vulture]

has nothing to do with the justice system


this is all politics
I agree. I don't think its so much a case of justice as it is a political statement on China's part.

If China can bring back a fugitive (who incidentally has a lot of supporters rallying for his cause) residing for more than a decade in a globally recognized fugitive haven, they're making a big statement to the rest of the world.

To be frank, Lai Changxing does not have much economic worth to China. His extradition is more symbolic than anything, which is why China has agreed to terms (that they otherwise consider to be a matter or privacy and sovereign decisions) like non execution or torture.
Now of course, that's just what they're saying. What happens once he lands in China is another story completely.

[TOPEC]

he dead

[4doorVIP]

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[hk20000]

remember to quote this when the news of his demise comes from China.

[flagella]

All these $ wasted on lawyers dragging this for so long.

[SkinnyPupp]

Interesting that the basis to deport him was that China promised not to kill him... Something tells me, what he faces will be much worse than death.

[Vale46Rossi]

Gonna be interesting to see the outcome..

Over 10 Billion USD

[dlo]

Lol he obviously gonna get tortured and killed
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[SkinnyPupp]

Probably would have just taken 1 or 2 more bribes for him to be safe for good. Maybe he ran out of money eventually. Out of that $10 billion I wonder how much went out to bribes?

[Meowjin]

i dont understand what he really did other than bribe government officials... in that case lets deport most of vancouver :rolleyes:

[Razor Ramon HG]

While most of us would believe he's to be tortured..

Earlier this year, Chinese authorities said they would grant Canadian officials access to Lai in prison as an assurance he will not face torture.

One of China's most wanted men ordered released today in Vancouver (http://www.vancouversun.com/China+most+wanted+ordered+released+today+Vancouver/5132812/story.html)

I think the problem is that even though the Chinese government claims that they'll treat Lai fairly, there are many ways to have him killed or his cause of death faked. If China were to do so regardless, wouldn't that potentially ruin the reputation of China for future extradition cases between the two countries? Wasn't the Canadian government hesitant to ship him back in the first place?

[PornMaster]

China grants that but I know for a FACT it takes about 11-13 hours to fly there.
That is a lot of torturing lol.

Thats like saying oh leave your 19 year old smoking daughter in my bed for a night. You can come visit in the morning to make sure we didn't fuck

[drunkrussian]

saw him at tropika once eating with one of his mistresses. short old ugly lil mofucker
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[Death2Theft]

How on earth did he make that much money smuggling?
Gonna be interesting to see the outcome..

Over 10 Billion USD

[highfive]

How on earth did he make that much money smuggling?

I believe it was taxes?

[neggo]

How on earth did he make that much money smuggling?

While he was in China, he made huge fortunes on smuggling anything of worth that people were willing to buy. When we talked to him, he said he made quite a bit smuggling cars and oil. Mind you, he started his way of business back when he was still young, smuggling things like TVs on his bicycle.

[Ruff Ryd@s]

While most of us would believe he's to be tortured..



One of China's most wanted men ordered released today in Vancouver (http://www.vancouversun.com/China+most+wanted+ordered+released+today+Vancouver/5132812/story.html)

I think the problem is that even though the Chinese government claims that they'll treat Lai fairly, there are many ways to have him killed or his cause of death faked. If China were to do so regardless, wouldn't that potentially ruin the reputation of China for future extradition cases between the two countries? Wasn't the Canadian government hesitant to ship him back in the first place?

knowing China, theyll probably kill the real one and sub in a fake Lai Changxing in his place :troll:

[frozen]

rofl, you'd think China gives a shit about how Canada thinks about what they do with Lai. This has always been China's problem and Canada should've stayed the fuck out in the first place.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I say we take all of Lai's asset 9money, houses, cars...) and use it to pay off our debt

That 10 Billion USD should be ours since we shelter him for so long =D

[Hondaracer]

rofl, you'd think China gives a shit about how Canada thinks about what they do with Lai. This has always been China's problem and Canada should've stayed the fuck out in the first place.

Pretty much

If you fuck up somewhere else and try to take refuge elsewhere you should always be sent back to where you commuted your crimes for punishment, I couldn't care less about rights or shit like that this guy shouldn't be in Canada in the first place, you fuck up in china, Pay the price there.
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[Manic!]

Pretty much

If you fuck up somewhere else and try to take refuge elsewhere you should always be sent back to where you commuted your crimes for punishment, I couldn't care less about rights or shit like that this guy shouldn't be in Canada in the first place, you fuck up in china, Pay the price there.
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Whats a crime in one country could be a basic right in another.

Would you ship the Dalia Lama back to China?

[Gumby]

China grants that but I know for a FACT it takes about 11-13 hours to fly there.
That is a lot of torturing lol.

Thats like saying oh leave your 19 year old smoking daughter in my bed for a night. You can come visit in the morning to make sure we didn't fuck
I found your post funny - especially coming from a guy named "PornMaster". :D

[Hondaracer]

Whats a crime in one country could be a basic right in another.

Would you ship the Dalia Lama back to China?

If I ran Canada alot of people would be out of here
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[ilvtofu]

China grants that but I know for a FACT it takes about 11-13 hours to fly there.
That is a lot of torturing lol.

Thats like saying oh leave your 19 year old smoking daughter in my bed for a night. You can come visit in the morning to make sure we didn't fuck

in that 13 hours somebody gonna get hurt REAL bad

[Death2Theft]

If you dont think China has signed 10B+ worth of future trade agreements with Canada for giving this guy up you are really living in a glass dome.
I say we take all of Lai's asset 9money, houses, cars...) and use it to pay off our debt

That 10 Billion USD should be ours since we shelter him for so long =D

[twitchyzero]

i read this in the 24 today..his lawyer says he'll probably just get murdered in jail but there will just be an unexplainable cause of death to the media...i can totally see taht happening lol

[king_2011]

anyone know if this is why Hazelbridge in Richmond was covered with police yest (friday) around 12:00 noon? cause he was suppose to board the plane at 2:30 pm right? There was no accident that day on Hazelbridge so i was assuming it was the road they gona take going to the airport.

[Lomac]

China grants that but I know for a FACT it takes about 11-13 hours to fly there.
That is a lot of torturing lol.

Thats like saying oh leave your 19 year old smoking daughter in my bed for a night. You can come visit in the morning to make sure we didn't fuck

Until the plane touches down in China (or is it once it crosses the Chinese border?), it's still considered Canadian soil.

[drunkrussian]

anyone know if this is why Hazelbridge in Richmond was covered with police yest (friday) around 12:00 noon? cause he was suppose to board the plane at 2:30 pm right? There was no accident that day on Hazelbridge so i was assuming it was the road they gona take going to the airport.

that doesnt sound right to me, a) he is not so important that they would block off a road for him. he's a chinese drug dealer not osama bin laden. b) if he is in danger etc and they need to be extra cautious, why would they make it so obvious where he is by closing a road for him?

im sorry but once again, chinese gvnt or not, hes a drug dealer. nobody gives a shit. obviously the cdn gvnt will say they dont want him dead - theyre trying their best to make a statement. but at the end of the day if u commit a crime, didnt get away with it, flee and get caught, its all in the game. all this "he has sons in sfu and hasnt done wrong in a while" talk is horseshit. theyre at sfu on blood money. and like i said, its all in the game, so let him die
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[jackmeister]

How long before Chinese tourists are freely able to travel to Canada without the current restrictions from both countries?

I remember a few years ago they mentioned this dude was pretty much the only reason why we don't get preferential treatment.

[bananana]

How long before Chinese tourists are freely able to travel to Canada without the current restrictions from both countries?

I remember a few years ago they mentioned this dude was pretty much the only reason why we don't get preferential treatment.

Canada is already on China's list of approved countries to visit. Chinese tourists who are able to afford the fees required to leave their home soil can apply to visit Canada much easier than most other countries.

[hirevtuner]

me and a buddy saw Lai in d/t many years ago, he was apparently not by himself but with a few of his bodyguards around him

[jackmeister]

Canada is already on China's list of approved countries to visit. Chinese tourists who are able to afford the fees required to leave their home soil can apply to visit Canada much easier than most other countries.

If I remember correctly this was supposed to be done years ago but we got totally bumped down the list because of this guy.

And Chinese tourists that come to Canada right now, if I am not mistaken, get their visa via tour packages, family sponsorship, or business.

[Jermyzy]

In case anybody is interested.

Man deported from Canada admits crimes: China - Yahoo! News (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/man-deported-canada-admits-crimes-china-150324075.html)

"BEIJING (Reuters) - China's most wanted man, who was deported from Canada in July after a decades-long legal battle, has admitted to his crimes and will now be handed over to prosecutors, state media reported on Friday.

Beijing had sought the deportation of Lai Changxing for years, accusing him of running a multi-billion dollar smuggling ring in the southeastern city of Xiamen in the 1990s in one of China's biggest political scandals in decades.

Nothing has been heard of him since he was returned to China over the summer.

A brief report on state radio's website (Öйú¹ã²¥Íø Ò»ÍøÌýÌìÏ (http://www.cnr.cn)) said the probe into his crimes had finished and that Lai would now be handed over to Xiamen prosecutors.

"Lai Changxing and other mainstay members of his criminal clique candidly confessed the facts of their smuggling and bribery crimes," state radio said.

The "legal rights" of Lai and the other suspects were "fully guaranteed," with Lai able to meet with his lawyer, the report added.

The investigation team carried out the probe "fairly and in accordance with the law," it said.

Lai may face life imprisonment, state media has reported. But some legal experts and human rights activists have said it was unlikely Lai could receive a fair trial in China.

The report did not say when Lai's case may come to trial.

The probe found that between 1996 and 1999, Lai and his accomplices smuggled cars, oil, chemicals, cigarettes and other goods and bribed "dozens" of government officials, state radio added.

"The figure involved was enormous," it said, without providing other details.

Lai, whose case had plagued Sino-Canadian relations, was sent back after a Canadian court dismissed concerns he could be tortured or executed back home.

Lai fled to Canada with his family in 1999 and claimed refugee status, saying the allegations against him were politically motivated.

China had promised Canada Lai would not be tortured or executed and that Canadian officials would have access to him.

Lai's alleged crimes occurred in the special economic zone of Xiamen in Fujian province in the mid-1990s when Jia Qinglin, now the ruling Communist Party's fourth most senior leader, was the province's Party boss.

Beijing has accused Lai's business empire, the Yuanhua Group, of bribing officials to allow a massive smuggling ring in a scandal that implicated more than 200 senior figures, including Jia's wife, Lin Youfang. She denied any wrongdoing.

Lai admitted in a 2009 interview with Toronto's Globe and Mail newspaper that he had avoided taxes by exploiting loopholes in the law, but he denies bribery charges. He said he would have been executed had he not been in Canada.

China put more than 300 suspects on trial and sentenced 14 to death, including provincial officials and a former vice minister of public security, in a case Beijing has used for a propaganda campaign against corruption."

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

shitt shit load of guys got screwed over when Lai landed in china =/