[geeknerd]

OSLO - A huge bomb devastated the main government building in Norway's capital Oslo on Friday, and state radio said two people were killed and several others wounded.


Though the attack was on the very heart of power in the small Nordic state, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was safe. There was no claim of responsibility.


"This is very serious," Stoltenberg told Norwegian TV2 television in a phone call. He added it was too early to say if the blast was a terrorist attack. He said that police had advised him not to say where he was speaking from.


NATO member Norway has been the target of threats, if not bombs, before, notably over its involvement in conflicts in Afghanistan and Libya.


The attack came just over a year after three men were arrested on suspicion of having links to al-Qaida and planning to attack targets in Norway.


"It exploded — it must have been a bomb. People ran in panic . . . I counted at least 10 injured people," said bystander Kjersti Vedun, who was leaving the area.


Violence or the threat of it has already come to the other Nordic states: a botched bomb attack took place in the Swedish capital Stockholm last December and the bomber was killed.


Denmark has received repeated threats after a newspaper published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in late 2005, angering Muslims worldwide.


The Oslo blast tore at the facade of the 17-storey central government building, blowing out most of the windows and scattering shards of metal and other debris for hundreds of metres (yards).


The building of a publisher which recently put out a translation of a Danish book on the Mohammad cartoon controversy was also affected, but was apparently not the target.


NRK state radio said at least two people were killed while another station, NTB, quoted a police chief as confirming it was a bomb.


A Reuters reporter at the scene said the blast scattered debris across the streets and shook the entire city centre around 3:30 p.m. local time. He saw eight people injured, one covered in a sheet and apparently dead.


The Reuters correspondent said the streets had been fairly quiet in mid-afternoon on a Friday in high summer, when many Oslo residents take vacation or leave for weekend breaks.


The tangled wreckage of a car was outside one building. This, as well as the damage to the buildings, appeared to witnesses to be consistent with a car bomb.


"This is a terror attack. It is the most violent event to strike Norway since World War Two," said Geir Bekkevold, an opposition parliamentarian for the Christian Peoples Party.


"So far I can confirm that we have received seven people at Oslo University Hospital," a press officer at the clinic said.


"I don't know how seriously wounded they are."


The district attacked is the very heart of power in Norway, with several other key adminstration buildings nearby.


Nearby ministries were also hit by the blast, including the oil ministry, which was on fire. Nevertheless, security is not tight given the lack of violence in the past.


Read more: Oslo bomb explosion wrecks govt offices; 2 dead (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/canada-in-afghanistan/Oslo+bomb+explosion+feared+dead/5143941/story.html#ixzz1SqwzoWYT)

can watch live here
BBC Live (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54221000/jpg/_54221078_oslo_ella1.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/54219000/jpg/_54219163_jex_1115657_de27-1.jpg

[7seven]

News1130radio News1130
Police sending anti-terror police to a youth camp outside #Oslo after reports of a shooting there following fatal bomb blast at gov't HQ.

News1130radio News1130
#Oslo police have sealed off the office of Norwegian broadcaster TV2 to investigate a suspicious package there.

Its getting crazy in Oslo today :(

[geeknerd]

News1130radio News1130
Police sending anti-terror police to a youth camp outside #Oslo after reports of a shooting there following fatal bomb blast at gov't HQ.

From BBC:

Unconfirmed reports say Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg had been due to attend the camp

watching it live and when showing just the blasted area + wreckage, it reminds me of Day of Defeat ish 'maps', but the surrounding area is fine... surreal.

[Durrann]

From BBC:


watching it live and when showing just the blasted area + wreckage, it reminds me of Day of Defeat ish 'maps', but the surrounding area is fine... surreal.

what channel?

[geeknerd]

online

BBC News - Oslo bomb - latest updates (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14254705)

[Manic!]

Update: 9 people killed at the youth camp. Person arrested at the youth camp had blond hair and is Caucasian.

[murd0c]

Update: 9 people killed at the youth camp. Person arrested at the youth camp had blond hair and is Caucasian.

most people in Norway have blond hair and are caucasian why does that matter?

Why would anyone ever want to fuck with Norway WTF

[Manic!]

most people in Norway have blond hair and are caucasian why does that matter?

Why would anyone ever want to fuck with Norway WTF

Because it's not a brown guy, showing racial profiling does not work.

Norway is apart of NATO and is in Afghanistan.

[dlo]

God dam, rip to those that died
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[Hondaracer]

Norway has mad money and insane cost of living, peeps probably just snapped
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[krazynuck]

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/01300/SIN117-NORWAY-E_1300842cl-8.jpg

pretty bad damage there....looks like a powerful blast to make the car that damaged

[dboy]

AT LEAST 87 people gunned down on the island. mostly teenagers at camp.

Police: At least 87 dead in mass shooting, bombing in Norway - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/22/norway.explosion/index.html?iref=BN1&hpt=hp_t1)

fucked up man.

[dboy]

here's a summary of what happened

This guy (a norwegian nationalist) hates the government, blows up a government building in Oslo, kills I believe 8 there. He then dresses as a police officer and drives for about 45 minutes to a camp for teenagers to learn about government, he gets into the island by pretending he's there to provide security for the terrorist attack that happened in oslo, he tells the children to come to him and he will protect them, they all surround him/follow him and he takes out a machine gun and kills a ton of them. ATM there's 80 confirmed dead. He walked the island for about 30 minutes (I think that was how long) killing innocent 14-18 year old kids.

Slightly graphic picture of the killer with bodies of victims

http://i.imgur.com/hwisc.jpg

[Hondaracer]

And you thought buddy killing his parents with a hammer was fucked up
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[StylinRed]

what's crazy is im watching cnn and they're not even talking about it

bbcnews just did a short overview and now its showing "Fast Track" (tourism show)


if that Norwegian was a muslim guy you could bet there would be live coverage 24/7 about it


edit: cnn is talking about Tupac and Biggie.... wtf??? :facepalm:

[dlo]

No coverage on cnn? No way lol that is a huge mass murdering from a nationalist, and yeah if he was brown, expect cnn, fox and other networks to be all over it
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[4doorVIP]

This guy should get 'chopped up' as punishment.

[dboy]

This guy should get 'chopped up' as punishment.

apparently the max sentence is 22 years.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Police conference is on now. 84 dead at Utoya, putting the total dead at 91. Its not easy to follow the poor translation but they discussed this guy possibly being a Christian fundamentalist anti-islamist but the police won't confirm it. The guy said he would tell police why he did it.

[StylinRed]

I heard from someone over in Finland that the news there says he's a Neo-Nazi

my friends friend who's in Finland is a major bigot and he was singing for the deaths of all muslim immigrants into europe when this happened, even after the identity of the suspect was revealed he was going on and on about how there has to be a connection with muslims and they have to be involved

i could swear europes going to repeat history except this time it'll be muslims instead of jews

[murd0c]

It's a fucken joke it's not plastered all over CNN right now. Come on 80 fricken people murdered by one person at a youth camp and there is nothing because it's "only" in Norway which doesn't matter to CNN.

[Bonjour43MA]

That's just crazy... what a nut case!

I wonder if there were any armed security guards on that island or someone that was carrying firearms that may have stopped this earlier? Does Norway allow concealed carry for their gun owners?

[StylinRed]

apparently many Norwegians have firearms as they're avid hunters but automatic weapons are illegal for civilians

(this is from wiki btw so fair warning?)

Gun politics in Norway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway)

hand guns are legal but their are calibre restrictions

[MindBomber]

That's just crazy... what a nut case!

I wonder if there were any armed security guards on that island or someone that was carrying firearms that may have stopped this earlier? Does Norway allow concealed carry for their gun owners?

It's a youth camp, I don't think they ever anticipated a need for armed guards.

And it was in Norway, not LA, the kids have no need to carry concealed weapons.

[Bonjour43MA]

Unfortunately, the media in general, as well most people, will focus on the guns and how the bullets killed his victims, instead of why he did it and how he was able to carry out a plan like this.

RIP to the victims... this guy is a total nut case and a coward for picking on those that were defenseless and unsuspecting.

I don't think the youth camp ever expected to have a need for armed guards and this wans't in LA, kids don't carry concealed weapons.
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That's what I meant... he picked the one spot where he knew there would be no resistance at all (gun free zones like schools and camp grounds)... very sad event that's for sure.

[StylinRed]

BBC just said some teens saw their friends hide amongst the dead bodies but this guy went up to the fallen and used his shotgun on them and so he got those who were hiding

[Bonjour43MA]

That's probably why he ran out of ammo so quickly... he was shooting the fallen victims again to make sure they're really dead. Wow... speechless.

Sometimes I do wonder what would happen if there were no guns in the world, not even the police/military.... I guess we'd end up with knife attacks and stabbings instead? or bombing attacks. Kind of a chicken-or-eggs scenario here - if there were no guns, would there be fewer bad guys? or if there were fewer bad guys, would there be fewer gun crimes?

[Manic!]

That's probably why he ran out of ammo so quickly... he was shooting the fallen victims again to make sure they're really dead. Wow... speechless.

Sometimes I do wonder what would happen if there were no guns in the world, not even the police/military.... I guess we'd end up with knife attacks and stabbings instead? or bombing attacks. Kind of a chicken-or-eggs scenario here - if there were no guns, would there be fewer bad guys? or if there were fewer bad guys, would there be fewer gun crimes?

It would be kind of tough to kill 84 people with a knife.

[geeknerd]

That's probably why he ran out of ammo so quickly... he was shooting the fallen victims again to make sure they're really dead. Wow... speechless.

Sometimes I do wonder what would happen if there were no guns in the world, not even the police/military.... I guess we'd end up with knife attacks and stabbings instead? or bombing attacks. Kind of a chicken-or-eggs scenario here - if there were no guns, would there be fewer bad guys? or if there were fewer bad guys, would there be fewer gun crimes?

wed still be fighting natives and probably lose
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[dignatas]

That's probably why he ran out of ammo so quickly... he was shooting the fallen victims again to make sure they're really dead. Wow... speechless.

Sometimes I do wonder what would happen if there were no guns in the world, not even the police/military.... I guess we'd end up with knife attacks and stabbings instead? or bombing attacks. Kind of a chicken-or-eggs scenario here - if there were no guns, would there be fewer bad guys? or if there were fewer bad guys, would there be fewer gun crimes?

no guns = no fps games like counter strike... imagine a world with no first person shooters

:fuckthatshit:

[Hondaracer]

When people are that fucked in the head i don't think guns or no guns really matter
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[Boostslut]

no guns = no fps games like counter strike... imagine a world with no first person shooters

:fuckthatshit:

Seriously? WTF, the world would be a better place without them. I know its hard to believe but there was a time before playstations, and computer games where we actually had to go outside and play with your friends, and do outdoor activities! I know its hard to understand these days.

This also isn't the threat to try to be funny, and post stupid ass pictures like you did. And before that "you mad" picture comes up, ya it's a bit disappointing to see such comments in a thread about people bring murdered. Let's grow up Revscene.

92 people have died. RIP to all those, and my heart goes out to all of their families, and the nation of Norway. Horrible stuff happening. How can such a world be so beautiful and so sick at the same time.

RIP..

[Hondaracer]

Nordic countries like that are completely different than the NA lifestyle, video games or not shit is depressing as hell for 6-8 months of the year when it's dark for 14 hours of the day and theres snow up to your knees

places like that its not a matter of entertainment because they arent going outside and playing all the time anyways, its staying away from vices and mental problems

[Bonjour43MA]

Hey DA9ve if you're gonna fail me you better come up with your reason for doing so. Open discussion only works if both sides voice their opinions instead of hiding behind THANK and FAIL buttons which are useless.

[JD¹³]

I don't know how the police didn't cut him in half with bullets once he'd surrendered. A man like that just needs to be dispatched from this planet Law Abiding Citizen style. Incredible self-restraint by the officers to not kill this guy after he murdered so many of their country-men.

[Bonjour43MA]

^^^ They can't, unless the guy started firing at them.

It's too bad that no one on that island had the means to protect themselves in a situation like this... makes you wonder if allowing everyday citizen to arm themselves would've saved some lives that day?

[XplicitLuder]

heard some guy taklin about this at the gym and it caught my attention so i thought id look on RS cus i knew you guys would be discussing this..but dam this is something i wasn't expecting..RIP innocent ones =[

[Manic!]

Facebook of the attacker.

http://i.imgur.com/xU3ss.jpg

[dboy]

sickens me

[Bonjour43MA]

It's a little scary that he seems like a typical guy, enjoying things and take interest in things that many of us do... yet he somehow became radical in how he voices/acts out his ideology in the most extreme way possible.

Disturbing.

[twitchyzero]

okay i guess i've been living under the rock and didn't hear about this news until last night

this is very disturbing news. I was also surprised that Norway would be attacked in a terrorist attack..if they were involved in Afghanistan then Canada would have the same amount of risk being attacked

but after seeing the story on the youth camp it looks like it's not that case.

[The_AK]

Disturbing is the most appropriate word for this situation.
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[StylinRed]

supposedly he made a video that got on youtube but keeps getting removed now

even from dailymotion and vimeo

so i dont know how long this one will last

‪Knights Templar 2083 by Anders Behring Breivik - Oslo killer‬‏ - YouTube

but you can google "knights templar 2083"

its basically a anti-muslim video / h8 on europe as its turning commie

[minoru_tanaka]

Christian Fundamentalist.

[7seven]

Death toll lowered

News1130radio News1130
BREAKING NEWS... Police in Norway revise the death toll. The total number of dead is now 76, NOT 93.

[Ferra]

It's a fucken joke it's not plastered all over CNN right now. Come on 80 fricken people murdered by one person at a youth camp and there is nothing because it's "only" in Norway which doesn't matter to CNN.
They dont' want to give him the attention he wanted. Reasons why they are censoring all his messages.

If other manics see this guy got his message across by killing 80 people, many will follow suit.
Nothing will hurt these people more than not acknowledging them or their messages at all.

[StylinRed]

he's now claiming to have 2 cells working with him (he originally said it was just him)

BBC News - Norway: Anders Behring Breivik claims 'two more cells' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14280210)

and live coverage http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14274908

[haha13]

anyone have a photo of him in a wetsuit holding a gun?

[TRDood]

News 1130 reported this morning that he is pleaded not guilty in court. Wtffffff?
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[quasi]

News 1130 reported this morning that he is pleaded not guilty in court. Wtffffff?
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He obv wants as much press as possible. If he pleads guilty he is locked up and fades away. Now he gets to drag it on for years.

[7seven]

News 1130 reported this morning that he is pleaded not guilty in court. Wtffffff?
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Yea the guy is fucked, he plead not guilty by reason of self defense. :fulloffuck:

[Presto]

My co-worker's wife has family in Oslo. His nieces friends wrote a first-hand account of what happened to them. Reposted from Facebook. Pardon the translation errors:


We had just had an information meeting about the explosion in Oslo. Side delegation to the Oslo and Akershus were affected the most, we had a little meeting in the dining room next to the great hall. We talked and comforted each other, in the hope that our friends and family were not near the accident in Oslo. We called parents, friends and family. We cried. At the time counted ourselves lucky that we were on an isolated island that few people knew about.

After the meeting we went into the great hall again, where we sat with good friends and saw the news on our cell phones. Suddenly we heard several shots. Panic broke out. People screamed and screamed. Many ran to the windows and see what was happening outside. There stood a man, he was dressed in police clothing and waving his arms as he screamed "GET AWAY FROM THE WINDOW AND GET DOWN." We laid down on the ground. Then we heard more shots, closer this time. We were in shock!

I (Tuva) got up, I turned around and stared into the small room. The door was open, and a meter in front of me stood a boy. Then I noticed the man standing in the doorway a meter in front of the boy. I looked at the man with confusion. Three seconds later he shot the boy. I felt my whole body was paralyzed. I felt that someone pulled my arm. It was my girlfriend, Hana who went down to the floor. We sat there and looked at each other. we started laughing, we knew nothing. We told each other that this would be an exercise. One of the chefs came running in and yelled run!

We got up automatically and run out into the hallway, where it stopped up completely. People fell, and many ran right over them, so I scream "I have no shoes!". I have no idea why I thought about that , Hana and I got separated but I found Thianna. We ran out the door and towards the outhouse There we stood with other people who were just as confused as us. People talked about it that it was bullshit until a boy came and turned around.

He had blood all down his back and his pants. He said "I do not know whose blood it is, but it's not mine!" Then a girl came running towards us, she had blood all over her hands and cried. She ran toward the building, but we ran into the woods. Before we reached the water's edge I turned (Tuva) and stopped by a boy. He had been shot in the leg. He was on the ground holding around his leg Under all the panic, we decided to continue to run.

We came down to the waterfront where we met many others who had fled, we stood there and discussed what we should do. We planned how we would run if he came.

Then we heard four shots. And we ran away along the path by the water's edge. So we found the grass and hid behind, we laid down and told everyone to turn off the phone or turn it on silent. We told everyone that we had to take off all the colorful clothes so he would not see us. People took off their jackets, sweaters and put the valuables in the forest inside the grass and behind trees. After having laid on the ground for twenty minutes, we heard many shots. So everyone got up and ran up into the woods among the trees.

We ran over huge logs, rocks and twigs. There was tall grass, if any of us had fallen, we would have been finished. People slipped, but no one fell, we had a real guardian angel . A boy called out that two boys longer behind us had been shot, when we ran even faster. So we found higher grass and laid down. It was then we noticed that we had a eight year old boy with us. We were very afraid for him because he was so young. We told him that he had to run with us and never look behind. We lay there for twenty minutes, we wait.

Throughout the flight we hear helicopters flying over the island. We heard ambulances and police cars on the mainland. And the only thing we are talking about is "WHERE are the police?". Then she says one girl who is with us "is someone jogging?" Said one further back, "it's him!” Then we hear shots again, just behind us. We get up run up the hill and even further into the forest. Then we were divided, and the group we had went from 50 to10 people. Where the others ran we had no idea and we did not have time to look for them!

We laid down immediately again, and did not notice until after a while that we are laying in poo. (We were where they emptied the toilet!) Everyone was completely panicked, many crying and others telling them to hush. We thought that if someone cries, he would hear the noise, and then we would be revealed. We heard some sounds, so we ran to an old skate ramp and hid behind it. When we were not more than ten people standing there. We thought it was over now, and that we were safe! We stood there for ten minutes, we heard more shots and we started to run up a hill!

We spread ourselves even more, now we were only 3 girls. We ran up a rocky hill and cut our feet. I (Tuva) ran barefoot, while Thianna had boots. The stones were smooth and slippery and we could not get a proper grip on the rocks before we stepped on another one. The thought that struck me was that if we fall down now, when we roll down and going to die. it was only a few meters left. When we were up beside the main building one girl ran on. We saw an open door, and Thianna pulled my arm and pulled me into the bedroom. We locked the door, pulled off our jackets and got under the bunk beds that stood there.

Then began the wait. Deep down we knew we were safe here, but fear still hanging over us! We had eye contact all the time, while we sent messages to those we loved. It was nerve-wracking . We shook with fear and we were under the beds, and could feel that our bodies were exhausted. We said we loved each other and that this was not the end for us. We also planned what to do if he came. We heard shots outside the wall, and the screams of those who had been shot out on the trail was absolutely terrible to hear. We knew we could not help! We try and contact those on the mainland, we called the police and all that could have helped us.

After two hours, we received a message from a friend, she said there were police officers in the main building, but she did not know if they were real! We were terrified. "Are there more ???!" we whispered to each other! So we got another message that said the police would come for us. We told them where we were and were told that the police would come and rescue us. So there was a knock on the door, and the police shouted to us.

They asked us and keep your hands above our head, but since my hip was out of its socket I could not get up! Before we opened the door Thianna screamed repeatedly "ARE YOU A REAL POLICE?". They said yes, and we took the chance. We opened the door, they came in with heavy weapons and armored suits. They asked us to look down, or against the wall while they were going to carry us to safety. They wanted us not to look at the dead that lay beyond. There were five police officers who went with us, they covered us with shields and weapons. I couldn’t help it and I looked over campsite. There were dead people everywhere! Inside the tents, on the trail, and many of the tents were completely destroyed. When we got to the entrance we stopped and looked out before we went inside.

2 meters from the entrance was a girl who was shot in the chest. I closed my eyes and walked into the room that contained several survivors! There we sat and waited, we got shirts and talked with the others. All agreed that this seemed completely unreal. I fell into conversation with one policeman who told me that they think about fifty people have died. I then asked if they had been in the woods. He said no and looked at me strangely. I said that where there are many more.

After a while we would be transported through the great hall and into the hallway. They said we had to look towards the wall as we walked. They recommended strongly it! It smelled blood in the entire building. But again I had to look, and there were dead people everywhere. Some of those lying next to their mobile phones and there were huge puddles of blood under them and over the floor. We sat in the hall where we got Snickers, soft drinks, slush, nuts and chewing tobacco. Everything we needed to help us calm down! We were on edge as one person read the news on his phone to tell what had happened.

He also called out the names of some of those who were safe. We became one very fast especially under a situation like this. People you'd never talked to or spent time with before quickly became very close.We spent time in the hallway and called family and friends. Many had to recharge the mobile phones and tried desperately and get them to work. After much crying were we told that we should evacuate! We got in line and we went down to the boat. Because of my hip I went first in the row with two other people. I remember that I compared the last hours of an episode of Criminal Minds. "This only happens on TV!" I thought to myself. When we had finally come down to the boat as we were greeted by several police officers. We looked around us at the beach and the hills along the water's edge. There were so many dead there! We were helped aboard and drove off on the ferry.

Me, Thianna Mamie og Hana hugged each other We cried and screamed, We were extatic that we survived The first time I truly felt safe was when we had gotten over to the other sideWe were driven to Bærum hospital and from there were picked up by my parents and uncle

[RacePace]

Not a single fuck was given, going to wear my favourite Lacoste shirt

[vitaminG]

he might have to stay in this horrible shithole prison for 21 years max

highlights
- Swimming
- 18 days Vacation from jail
- 6 hour work day
- Flatscreen TVs
- Horses
- Bikes
- Chainsaw murderer, now works with a chainsaw
- pretty sure this event skewed their murder rate a fair bit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj3SMiDvjdg

Are Norwegian Prisons Too Soft? - E.D. Kain - American Times - Forbes (http://blogs.forbes.com/erikkain/2011/07/25/are-norwegian-prisons-too-soft/)



Are Norwegian Prisons Too Soft?

Jul. 25 2011 - 3:29 pm | 12 views | 0 recommendations | 0 comments

By E.D. KAIN

Norway has surprisingly low incarceration rates – very low if you compare them to our own penal system. I say surprisingly because at least some of Norway’s prisons sound sort of like a vacation resort. Take Bastoey, one of Norway’s “open prisons”:

It is home to about 115 detainees, including murderers, rapists and other felons, who enjoy activities not usually associated with prisons.

In summer, they can improve their backhand on the tennis court, ride a horse in the forest and hit the beach for a swim. In winter, they can go cross-country skiing or participate in the prison’s ski-jumping competition.

Inmates work between 8:15 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. The island is a farm, so there are cattle to tend, timber to cut and organic crops to grow. Inmates also work at a sawmill, using axes, knives and saws. Another job is to restore wooden houses dotted around the island. Based on their time in Bastoey, many men will obtain professional qualifications.

After work, inmates retreat to their homes: comfortable wooden houses shared between four to six inmates.

Bastoey is based on the idea that traditional, repressive prisons do not work.

It is unlikely that the Oslo mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik would find his way into quite so cushy a prison, but even if he ends up in a maximum security facility he won’t face either death penalty or life in prison. This is because the maximum sentence for any crime in Norway is 21 years.

The American penal system is deeply flawed. We place far too many nonviolent offenders behind bars. We simply incarcerate far too many citizens and call it justice. We put them in dangerous facilities where there is a startlingly high rate of rape and assault and then turn a blind eye to their fate. And again, we call that justice.

But on the flipside, Norway’s “open prison” system strikes me as quite a bit too comfortable for violent offenders like murderers and rapists. I can’t help but feel that there must be some middle ground. Open prisons make sense for nonviolent offenders and perhaps especially for juvenile offenders (though I think there’s a strong case to be made that most juvenile offenders should not be imprisoned at all).

Furthermore, while I oppose the death penalty, it’s hard for me to stomach the idea that a man who killed nearly one hundred people, many of whom were teenagers, ought to be freed in 21 years. How can a man like this ever be allowed back into society?

I don’t have the answers. I don’t think anyone does.

But it is interesting to look at the differences between the Norwegian and American prison systems. They represent such starkly different visions of what the purpose and end-goal of imprisonment ought to be. No prison system will be perfect, obviously, but we can always work toward a more humane criminal justice system, even if there are times when such a system may not be adequate to the crime.

I doubt America could imitate Norway’s system, and I’m not sure it should. But we could certainly work toward policies that would put fewer people behind bars and save those prison beds for actual criminals.

Update: It has been brought to my attention that after the 21 year sentence a prisoner can have their term extended by a judge if they are deemed a threat to society. This makes a great deal more sense.

And just for clarification purposes, I think the Norwegian system is much better than the American system when it comes to humane treatment of prisoners. Indeed, I think we could learn a lot not just about prisons from Scandinavian countries, but also on how to prevent crime in the first place by seriously combating poverty.

[InvisibleSoul]

Absolutely unreal.

It would have made for a pretty awesome movie plot, but for it to have actually happened in reality is unfathomable.

[JD¹³]

You don't fucking shoot innocent children. Reading that first hand account has my blood BOILING.

[haha13]

holy fuck does norway have a high standard of living..

[TRDood]

He obv wants as much press as possible. If he pleads guilty he is locked up and fades away. Now he gets to drag it on for years.

I understand that the killer would like as much press as possible, but how does the judge benefit from not locking him up?

Also, riding a G-class to court/jail?

:seriously:

[Manic!]

I understand that the killer would like as much press as possible, but how does the judge benefit from not locking him up?

Also, riding a G-class to court/jail?

:seriously:

Mercedes are cheap in the EU. They use Mercedes for taxis down there. The G wagon s also used by the Canadian military.

[MoBettah]

- 18 days Vacation from jail


Wut? That's more days off a year than I take.

[iEatClams]

I believe Norway has 100% literacy rate, high standard of living and the lowest Murder Rate amongst developed countries.

They have always been a country that emphasizes peace.

[Ronin]

I'm going to guess they incarcerate him for life...for his own good.

Because you know the second he's out of state protection, he's a dead man.

[wahyinghung]

Mad Man's Manual :http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/07/24/National-Politics/Graphics/2083+-+A+European+Declaration+of+Independence.pdf

[StylinRed]

^^ ah i was just gonna post that

He updated it until 1pm the day of the attacks

damn psycho

i wonder if he really does have 2 accomplices and if they'll try anything

anyone have a photo of him in a wetsuit holding a gun?

its in the video i posted @ the ending it has pics of him in different suits with his crusader/nazi patch

[snowball]

Norwegian mass killer Breivik gets 21-year prison term

Sentenced to 21 years in jail with likely extensions

Balazs Koranyi, Reuters


OSLO - Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik was jailed for a maximum term on Friday when judges declared him sane enough to answer for the murder of 77 people last year, drawing a smirk of triumph from the self-styled warrior against Islam.

An unrepentant Breivik, 33, gave the Oslo court a stiff-armed, clench-fisted salute before being handed the steepest possible penalty, 21 years. His release, however, can be put off indefinitely should he still pose a threat to a liberal society left traumatised by his bomb and shooting rampage last July.

Justifying blasting a government building and gunning down dozens of teenagers at a summer camp as a service to a nation threatened by immigration, he had said only acquittal or death would be worthy outcomes. But his biggest concern was being declared insane - the sole verdict he had said he would appeal.

Judge Wenche Elizabeth Arntzen dismissed a prosecution call for her to label Breivik mad, a ruling that would have seen him confined indefinitely to psychiatric care rather than prison.

Some survivors of the slaughter at the Labour party youth camp on Utoeya island had been keen to see Breivik held clearly responsible for his actions - and to avoid the insanity verdict that would have triggered lengthy and traumatic appeal hearings.

For many Norwegians, still shocked by their bloodiest day since World War Two, the details were academic, however.

“He is getting what he deserves,” said Alexandra Peltre, 18, whom Breivik shot in the thigh on Utoeya. “This is karma striking back at him. I do not care if he is insane or not, as long as he gets the punishment that he deserves.”

Breivik, who had surrendered to police on the island without a fight, admitted blowing up the Oslo government headquarters with a fertiliser bomb, killing eight, on Friday, July 22, 2011, then shooting 69 at the ruling party’s summer youth camp.

Dressed in a black suit with a tie and still sporting the under-chin beard familiar from the 10 weeks of hearings that ended in June, Breivik smirked when he entered the courtroom and gave his now familiar, far-right salute when his handcuffs were removed. He smiled again as the judge read out the verdict.

He will not appeal, his lawyer said. “He told me he will accept this verdict,” Geir Lippestad told Reuters.

A lawyer for some victims and their families said they, too, were satisfied: “I am pleased, although that’s not really the right word, and relieved. This is what we hoped for,” said Mette Yvonne Larsen, who represented some of those affected in court.

“I have already received many messages from clients telling me this is justice served and they are happy it’s over and will never have to see him again.”

The killings shook the nation of five million which had prided itself as a safe haven from much of the world’s troubles, raising questions about the prevalence of far-right views in a country where oil wealth has attracted rising immigration.

Breivik will now be kept in isolation inside Ila Prison on the outskirts of Oslo inside relatively spacious quarters that include a separate exercise room, a computer and a television.

He had described an insane verdict as “a fate worse than death”. Were he to have been found insane and decided to appeal, the entire trial would have had to be repeated.

Breivik justified his killing spree arguing that the centre-left Labour party is deliberately destroying the nation by encouraging Muslim immigration. His views, spread over the Internet and aired during the trial, drew support from a few in Europe but even most of the hardest right-wing fringe groups kept their distance from the self-confessed mass killer.

Although his victims were mostly teenagers, with some as young as 14, he rejected being called a child murderer, arguing that his victims were brainwashed “cultural Marxists” whose political activism would adulterate pure Norwegian blood.

He stalked his victims dressed as a policeman, tricking them into thinking he was the help sent from the shore after the initial attack. He then shot them from close range before finishing them with a shot to the head.

“I stand by what I have done and I would still do it again.” he said during his court testimony.

Some Norwegians now believe their country must draw on the experience to debate issues like immigration as their oil wealth attracts large numbers of foreign workers.

These are being discussed more openly after the killings by Breivik, who believed the government’s immigration policies were adulterating “Norwegian blood” and leading to war with Muslims.

One team of court-appointed psychiatrists concluded he was psychotic while another came to the opposing conclusion. To make the ruling more difficult, several other experts who testified described a slew of mental conditions Breivik probably suffered.

Still, polls showed that around 70 percent of Norway’s public thought such a complex attack could not have been carried out by a madman and Breivik had to bear responsibility

Breivik has said he would accept a sane verdict, but derided a jail term as “pathetic”, and said acquittal or execution were the only reasonable outcomes.

A commission investigating the attack earlier this month concluded that all of part of it could have been prevented and intelligence, police and government blunders likely cost lives.

Norwegian mass killer Breivik gets 21-year prison term | World | News | Toronto Sun (http://www.torontosun.com/2012/08/24/court-finds-norwegian-mass-killer-breivik-sane)

[StylinRed]

would have been better if he was found insane and locked up in an asylum

[vafanculo]

He should have been acquitted due to insanity. And then led to a room to sign his release papers. And then led to a third room where family members of his victims were waiting for him with an assortment of different weapons.

[Hondaracer]

Good for him he got exactly what he wanted

[Harvey Specter]

Not a single fuck was given, going to wear my favourite Lacoste shirt

And he gets to ride in G500's, and I thought our laws were fucked.

[Boostslut]

I don't know if it's just me but I don't think 21 years is enough even though it was the maximum. Maybe 21 years per person = 1617 years and never see the light of day again. Just my opinion.

[Hondaracer]

His moves were obviously calculated, he wanted to send a message to the government and he is still reasonably young, this event will hang in the minds of Norwegians forever and he'll be out in 20 years, I'm sure it all went exactly as he planned

[InvisibleSoul]

he'll be out in 20 years, I'm sure it all went exactly as he planned

Not necessarily.

An unrepentant Breivik, 33, gave the Oslo court a stiff-armed, clench-fisted salute before being handed the steepest possible penalty, 21 years. His release, however, can be put off indefinitely should he still pose a threat to a liberal society left traumatised by his bomb and shooting rampage last July.

[Brianrietta]

http://www.masculinity-movies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/utoya.jpg

I really like the planned memorial. They're going to cut a slice through a piece of land jutting out into the water and engrave the names of those lost on the far side from the observation area.

BBC News - Gaping hole to mark Breivik victims in Norway (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26472037)

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73418000/jpg/_73418656_73418655.jpg

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/354348/article_img.jpg

http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/354352/article_img.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/73415000/jpg/_73415636_memorial5.jpg

[StylinRed]

Interesting how BBC describes him as a "Norwegian mass killer"

That's a very interesting memorial i agree

[Porschedog]

Wow.. looking back this was so brutal.

The memorial is neat though.