[Greenstoner]

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A man in Manitoba, Canada has been given a whopping $1,000 ticket and a suspended driver's license as punishment for speeding to the hospital in order to save the life of his pregnant wife and his unborn child, reported the Winnipeg Free Press.

David Weber and his wife Genevieve one day last March were on their way home from a day of shopping when she began to have contractions. Genevieve was 38 weeks pregnant and the couple knew, because of complications she incurred while giving birth to their first child, they had very little time to get her to the hospital for a Caesarean section.

In what is described as an adrenaline-filled panic, Mr. Weber mashed the gas pedal of his Honda Civic, and began speeding towards the hospital on "lightly trafficked roads," the newspaper reported, at more than 105 MPH.

Unfortunately, the couple flew right by a police officer.

The couple's first reaction was that of relief, thinking the officer would hear their situation and offer them an escort to the hospital. Forget it.

"[The officer] said, 'If you go to [the hospital], I don't want to see you guys speeding,'" David told the Winnipeg Free Press. "I was half-crying... I said, 'We don't have time for a lecture.' (I was) trying to save my wife and baby's life."

After a 15-minute delay, the Weber's were back on the road, but with a baby-gift of a $1,000 speeding ticket, and time running out.

Mr. Weber knew the delay had made it even more imperative that they get to the hospital, so he again mashed the gas pedal. But 30 minutes later, incredibly, the couple was stopped by another police officer who had actually been alerted by the first that the Webers might be speeding again in the direction of the hospital.

The second officer also ignored the situation, started another lecture on speeding, and called an ambulance instead of allowing Mr. Weber to continue to the hospital, or escorting him there. Genevieve suffered through yet another 15 minute delay in pain and agony as they waited for the ambulance to arrive.

Fortunately, the Weber's baby was born healthy at the hospital, but it was a dangerously close call. According to the couple's doctor, Genevieve's uterus was very nearly ruptured.

Mr. Weber decided to fight the ticket with the support of the doctor that delivered the couple's baby. But in spite of the doctor's testimony that speeding was absolutely necessary to save Mrs. Weber and her baby, the police refused to drop the ticket. They did, however, reduce the fine to $400.

And take a suspended license too!

Last month, Mr. Weber attended a hearing about the speeding incident, and in early July received even more appalling news: His license would be suspended for five months.

Only upon the completion of a safe-driving course will Mr. Weber be able to legally drive again. Even after his 5-month suspension is up, he'll also likely incur a heavy financial burden from higher auto insurance premiums.

Police officials would not comment to the Free Press on the situation due to privacy concerns, but maintained that protocols designed for keeping the roads safe were followed in this instance.

David Weber still is holding on to hope that the authorities will grant him some slack due to the obviously special circumstances surrounding his traffic violation. David told the Free Press that he has taken his situation to the media in the hopes of garnering public support.

For the time being, David Weber is left wondering what might have happened had he been delayed even longer. Perhaps a Canadian solicitor will show interest in the case and charge the police with endangering the lives of Mrs. Weber and her baby?

But the larger question is why the police were such sticklers for official procedure in the face of a medical emergency. Certainly, there are many officers who would react differently in the face of the same circumstances.

[BoS_DC2]

:speechless:

insane

[TouringTeg]

I challenge any police officer to drive exactly the speed limit if they were facing the same situation.

[PJ]

Seriously... I don't even..

[XplicitLuder]

but if they get in a cruiser, all they gotta do is turn on the lights and speeding isnt a big deal..so unfair! the guy is only trying to look out for his family =x lol but at the same time.. like if he did crash it'd be Game Over

[AutozamAZ-3]

why didnt the first officer call an ambulance? i know its not their job, but the officer could of driven the family to the hospital, no? i guess going above and beyond the call of duty isnt part of their job description anymore. i can think of a few things the officers could of done that may have alleviated the situation

[Gridlock]

I can make the case that if it was him alone, it was a crap story to get out of the ticket.

When the wife is in the passenger seat about to drop a shorty, you give the guy a police escort. Let's do it safely, right?

Nope...we need to be dicks.

Unfortunately, its up to him to take the consequence. They weren't "wrong" to ticket him, just not "right" in using judgement of the circumstance.

He made a decision, and so did they.

[Ferra]

post the story and the officer names all over the news & the internet, and let the public opinions and condemnation do the rest....
i am sure that will be lot harsher than the 2 months vacation with pay the officer will get from a formal investigation.

but then I wonder why they didn't call an ambulance in the first place...?? Sounded like they had a very long drive....

[krazynuck]

post the story and the officer names all over the news & the internet, and let the public opinions and condemnation do the rest....
i am sure that will be lot harsher than the 2 months vacation with pay the officer will get from a formal investigation.

but then I wonder why they didn't call an ambulance in the first place...?? Sounded like they had a very long drive....

or it was a remote area and it would take too long for an ambulance to get there

[TheNewGirl]

I thought there was a law about this kind of stuff? That if you're involved in an emergency, like something life or death, certain laws could be ignored with out penalty.

That said I'm sure he's willing to pay the $400 to have his kid and wife be safe.

[Supafly]

He would have been smarter if he just called 911 and got an ambulance.
What would happen if he got into a car accident?....that would just be a mess...

you guys are not seeing the bigger picture here....he could have hurt more people; not only his wife and unborn kid.
what would you think if he hit your friend who was crossing the street or you sister/brother/mom/dad in a t-bone accident?

jesus, just because you're in an "emergency" doesn't give you the ability to drive stupid.

[PJ]

You can't argue that the cop's not "wrong" to give them the ticket. Law's the law.

But any stand-up man, cop or not, with any sort of human decency would've at least helped them get there faster.

Given the wife's complications with their previous child, adrenaline would be through the roof - no one, including cops, would be able to drive the speed limit in this situation.

I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to these situations, as a similar incident happened to one of my family members.

So yes, I'm a little mad, bro.

[Jsunu]

You can't argue that the cop's not "wrong" to give them the ticket. Law's the law.

But any stand-up man, cop or not, with any sort of human decency would've at least helped them get there faster.

Given the wife's complications with their previous child, adrenaline would be through the roof - no one, including cops, would be able to drive the speed limit in this situation.

I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to these situations, as a similar incident happened to one of my family members.

So yes, I'm a little mad, bro.

There are stories out there where upon when the police heard the story, they give them an escort to the hospital. Or at least drive them to the hospital. Fuck they even got the doctor EXPLAINING why he had to speed a and they still had to suspend his license.

[Razgriz]

He would have been smarter if he just called 911 and got an ambulance.
What would happen if he got into a car accident?....that would just be a mess...

you guys are not seeing the bigger picture here....he could have hurt more people; not only his wife and unborn kid.
what would you think if he hit your friend who was crossing the street or you sister/brother/mom/dad in a t-bone accident?

jesus, just because you're in an "emergency" doesn't give you the ability to drive stupid.

I don't blame him, it did say he was in "adrenaline-filled panic".

[taylor192]

The couple should have called an ambulance. It might take a bit longer, yet then on the ride to the hospital she has paramedics to take care of her if something did happen. How bad would he feel if something had happened to her while he was driving that a paramedic could have treated her for?

[PJ]

He would have been smarter if he just called 911 and got an ambulance.
What would happen if he got into a car accident?....that would just be a mess...

jesus, just because you're in an "emergency" doesn't give you the ability to drive stupid.

Of course, when it comes to the law, no one has a "right" to drive over the speed limit. But understanding that as a person, especially when it comes to saving loved ones, your adrenaline just gets out of control, and you do whatever you can to save them. The "textbook-correct" thing to do would be to call an ambulance, sit and do nothing until they arrive. But given the situation, not to mention the past complications with their first child, he wouldn't know how long the ambulance would be, (it seemed like a long drive) so he did the only thing that was in his control - get to the hospital ASAP.

[CP.AR]

why no amberlamps?

sure it may take longer to get to the hospital... but if all is needed they can perform emergency care/delivery in the ambulance no?

[PJ]

^ Not sure about this one. But according to the Doctor, speeding was necessary to save the wife and the baby.

[civic_rice]

All i know is i would have driven a lot faster if my significant other or family member was in need....plus sounds like she would not be able to deliver naturally so the longer she waited the worse off she could have been and herself or baby could have died.

[flagella]

meh... I don't know. The state of emergency is always very subjective. Cases like this is definitely not rare and imagine if every single person is smashing their pedal every time it happens. Like someone said above, calling the ambulance is the best method. What if you hit and kill somebody on the way rushing to the hospital? That's not gonna be a 15 minute delay unless you decide to hit and run.

Sorry I'm on the police side here.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Couldn't the Cop just essort him to the hospital? Is not that hard is it?

I guess the cops needs to meet his speeding ticket quota.

[TRDeol]

Well regardless of him trying to save his baby's life, he probably endangered 100 others speeding down roads. Im 50/50 on the situation.

[Mananetwork]

So many laws I can't even wipe my ass without getting a ticket. Sometimes we should step out of what is written on paper and think instinctively. The officer should have done the same!

[Mananetwork]

meh... I don't know. The state of emergency is always very subjective. Cases like this is definitely not rare and imagine if every single person is smashing their pedal every time it happens. Like someone said above, calling the ambulance is the best method. What if you hit and kill somebody on the way rushing to the hospital? That's not gonna be a 15 minute delay unless you decide to hit and run.

Sorry I'm on the police side here.

These two were trapped in a difficult situation and decided to drive it instead of wait for the ambulance. I'm sure he wasn't reckless (swerving all over the road cutting traffic) but just speeding on the highway. Who doesn't speed anyway with our stupid limits.

It's like what do you do if you see a loved one getting hurt. Wait, I'll call the cops and wait 30 minutes because it's the law.

[nack]

These two were trapped in a difficult situation and decided to drive it instead of wait for the ambulance. I'm sure he wasn't reckless (swerving all over the road cutting traffic) but just speeding on the highway. Who doesn't speed anyway with our stupid limits.

It's like what do you do if you see a loved one getting hurt. Wait, I'll call the cops and wait 30 minutes because it's the law.

QFT

[ae101]

calling 911 would be smart but hey hes a man & men sometime tend to do the 1st think that comes to mind when they panic/emergency

[StylinRed]

didn't read the full story, no time sorry, he's lucky he didnt kill his wife and kids going 170km/h or anyone else

[zulutango]

Questions come to mind. Why didn't dad pull over, take out his cell phone and call 911...or ask the first Cop to call him an ambulance? If the emergency was as bad as he is painting now (while trying to overturn his conviction) how come he didn't immediately demand an ambulance? Maybe the situation wasn't as bad as he is now saying? The judge who heard all the facts, convicted him. Why did he continue to drive dangerously, endangering himself, his wife and new baby and maybe other road users, specially after being stopped the second time, for an extended period of time? The second time he drove for at least 50 kms before getting stopped ( 160 kmh X 30 minutes) . There is no statement to the fact that he has received advanced driver training and was trained to drive at 100mph plus speeds while under extreme mental distress. It's hard enough to drive safely at that speed while trained to do so in a properly designed and equipped vehicle, while calm and thinking clearly.

Any Cop who would "give him an escort" would be laying his job and future on the line. It's difficult enough to drive 2 fully marked Cop cars with full emergency equipment activated, but to have a second civillian vehicle is suicidal. Drivers only see the first Cop car and never look for the second. A woman was killed in Duncan a while back when she did exactly that and pulled out in front of the second Cop car without looking.


The proper procedure is to drive sensibly and safely and not endanger people. If you crash then you compound the problem. If you cannot contact medical help by phone then head to the nearest place you can, not drive back home at high speed. If the Police stop you then you request they call you an ambulance. If it is so urgent that you cannot wait (this guy obviously chose to drive at 100 mph speeds for at least 30 minutes instead of wait 15 for an ambulance) then the Police will transport the injured party in the PC, towards the incoming ambulance. I have run into this exact situation several times in the past and this is what I did. I also instructed the driver to continue at legal speeds, to the hospital as his speeding behind me would not help anyone. The last time this happened I became god father to the new baby girl and everybody arrived safely. My attention had been attracted by the distraught dad passing my PC at speeds over 160kmh. He pulled over, I realized the seriousness of the problem, called an ambulance to immediately attend, his pregnant high-risk wife in the PC and drove towards help. We met at roadside about 15 minutes later and she was transferred to them and the hospital.


"[I]For the time being, David Weber is left wondering what might have happened had he been delayed even longer. Perhaps a Canadian solicitor will show interest in the case and charge the police with endangering the lives of Mrs. Weber and her baby?


Maybe Mr Webber could consider how inconsiderate and dangerous his actions were and how he actually endangered their lives and that of others? Those same lawyers he wants would be the first to draw and quarter him in any cvil action resulting in any damage or injury resulting from his dangerous driving? )

]but the larger question is why the police were such sticklers for official procedure in the face of a medical emergency. Certainly, there are many officers who would react differently in the face of the same circumstances.

One has to ask why? I'm sure the investigation that got him suspended asked those questions. If it had been me, he would not have been permitted to drive away after the first time. Immediate medical help would have been summoned and I would have taken his wife to meet it. Seeing that Mr Webber " told the Free Press that he has taken his situation to the media in the hopes of garnering public support." then that puts a whole new bunch of questions in front of us. If Mr Webber is telling the whole truth and he described his wife as being in urgent need of treatment for a life-threatening medical emergency, I can't see any Police officer not immediately getting it...let alone two of them. This is his story, being reported by a media outlet looking for headlines and readers, and by Mr Webber who wants a decision reversed that was made by an impartial tryer of facts who heard the whole story.

[PornMaster]

Questions come to mind. Why didn't dad pull over, take out his cell phone and call 911...or ask the first Cop to call him an ambulance? If the emergency was as bad as he is painting now (while trying to overturn his conviction) how come he didn't immediately demand an ambulance? Maybe the situation wasn't as bad as he is now saying? The judge who heard all the facts, convicted him. Why did he continue to drive dangerously, endangering himself, his wife and new baby and maybe other road users, specially after being stopped the second time, for an extended period of time? The second time he drove for at least 50 kms before getting stopped ( 160 kmh X 30 minutes) . There is no statement to the fact that he has received advanced driver training and was trained to drive at 100mph plus speeds while under extreme mental distress. It's hard enough to drive safely at that speed while trained to do so in a properly designed and equipped vehicle, while calm and thinking clearly.

Any Cop who would "give him an escort" would be laying his job and future on the line. It's difficult enough to drive 2 fully marked Cop cars with full emergency equipment activated, but to have a second civillian vehicle is suicidal. Drivers only see the first Cop car and never look for the second. A woman was killed in Duncan a while back when she did exactly that and pulled out in front of the second Cop car without looking.


The proper procedure is to drive sensibly and safely and not endanger people. If you crash then you compound the problem. If you cannot contact medical help by phone then head to the nearest place you can, not drive back home at high speed. If the Police stop you then you request they call you an ambulance. If it is so urgent that you cannot wait (this guy obviously chose to drive at 100 mph speeds for at least 30 minutes instead of wait 15 for an ambulance) then the Police will transport the injured party in the PC, towards the incoming ambulance. I have run into this exact situation several times in the past and this is what I did. I also instructed the driver to continue at legal speeds, to the hospital as his speeding behind me would not help anyone. The last time this happened I became god father to the new baby girl and everybody arrived safely. My attention had been attracted by the distraught dad passing my PC at speeds over 160kmh. He pulled over, I realized the seriousness of the problem, called an ambulance to immediately attend, his pregnant high-risk wife in the PC and drove towards help. We met at roadside about 15 minutes later and she was transferred to them and the hospital.


"[I]For the time being, David Weber is left wondering what might have happened had he been delayed even longer. Perhaps a Canadian solicitor will show interest in the case and charge the police with endangering the lives of Mrs. Weber and her baby?


Maybe Mr Webber could consider how inconsiderate and dangerous his actions were and how he actually endangered their lives and that of others? Those same lawyers he wants would be the first to draw and quarter him in any cvil action resulting in any damage or injury resulting from his dangerous driving? )

]but the larger question is why the police were such sticklers for official procedure in the face of a medical emergency. Certainly, there are many officers who would react differently in the face of the same circumstances.

One has to ask why? I'm sure the investigation that got him suspended asked those questions. If it had been me, he would not have been permitted to drive away after the first time. Immediate medical help would have been summoned and I would have taken his wife to meet it. Seeing that Mr Webber " told the Free Press that he has taken his situation to the media in the hopes of garnering public support." then that puts a whole new bunch of questions in front of us. If Mr Webber is telling the whole truth and he described his wife as being in urgent need of treatment for a life-threatening medical emergency, I can't see any Police officer not immediately getting it...let alone two of them. This is his story, being reported by a media outlet looking for headlines and readers, and by Mr Webber who wants a decision reversed that was made by an impartial tryer of facts who heard the whole story.

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?

[Greenstoner]

i didnt comment on the article when i posted.. i agreed to many posters here in some ways, sort of 50/50 too

however 170km is a bit scary ...... but i couldnt suggest any other better solution other than calling emergency services.

[Jsunu]

Words

Personality I have more questions for the first cop who pulled them over. Seeing the state they were in, why let them continue driving despite the fact that he knew they would speed in the future. He could've have done another of things including calling for the ambulance.

Look we all know that what he did was dangerous and breaking the law, but it is just hard to not feel sympathetic to their plight since we all can imagine situations where speed is a factor in saving a loved one. Doesn't excused his actions though so im torn about it. Just bad decisions on both the couple and the police in my opinion.

[StylinRed]

id like to know where they were that they had to travel so long for a hospital?


was he just in a rush to get to the hospital They use? he should have been able to easily travel to a nearby hospital in less time

if you look @ manitoba and their hospital locations... they're strewn everywhere (even health centres fitted for child birth/care)

[TouringTeg]

Thanks for commenting Zulu.

I think that your decision to put the patient in your PC and continue with lights and sirens to meet the ambulance (or directly to the hospital) would have provided the safest outcome for all parties involved.

[Gumby]

I have run into this exact situation several times in the past and this is what I did. I also instructed the driver to continue at legal speeds, to the hospital as his speeding behind me would not help anyone. The last time this happened I became god father to the new baby girl and everybody arrived safely. My attention had been attracted by the distraught dad passing my PC at speeds over 160kmh. He pulled over, I realized the seriousness of the problem, called an ambulance to immediately attend, his pregnant high-risk wife in the PC and drove towards help. We met at roadside about 15 minutes later and she was transferred to them and the hospital.
One thing you left out - did you issue the driver a speeding ticket? :)

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?
You sound like someone who can't read.

Zulu says that he ran into the exact same situation. He called an ambulance and brought the mother to the ambulance in his police cruiser. He also instructed the father to meet at the hospital while driving at the speed limit. This is the safest way of getting someone to the hospital in an emergency.

[GLOW]

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?

i suggest you read his post again.

[GabAlmighty]

There was a situation in the states where an old guy was rippin tryin to get his wife to the hospital because she was gonna die (can't remember the circumstances surrounding that). Cop pulled them over and saw that the lady was in distress, gave them all a lecture in a typical cop way and off they went. The wife then died and the cop was fired from the force, that's what shoulda happened here.

[Gumby]

There was a situation in the states where an old guy was rippin tryin to get his wife to the hospital because she was gonna die (can't remember the circumstances surrounding that). Cop pulled them over and saw that the lady was in distress, gave them all a lecture in a typical cop way and off they went. The wife then died and the cop was fired from the force, that's what shoulda happened here.
I can understand your ill will towards the cop, but you also want the wife and/or baby to die? :seriously:

[Sandman]

The main problem I believe everyone has with this situation is how the first cop handled it.

Zulu - Thankfully realized the severity of the situation and carried out the best decision possible in order to neutralize it and put a stop to the reckless driving of the father.

Whereas the first cop who stopped them failed to comprehend the severity of the situation and instead of neutralizing it, escalated it higher by delaying them for 15 minutes and providing them with a 1,000 dollar ticket. The first cop who pulled them over failed to solve the problem in an effective manner.

[taylor192]

It's like what do you do if you see a loved one getting hurt. Wait, I'll call the cops and wait 30 minutes because it's the law.You won't wait 30 mins unless you live in bum fuck nowhere. Ambulance response times are measured, with most of the population within a 5-10 min response window.

Thus it might suck to wait 5-10 mins, yet you'll get better care on the 20 min ride to the hospital than sitting shotgun in a car.

[Skyline350gt]

Everyone keeps saying calling 911....To be fair the article says they were on their way home from shopping so most likely they were already on the road. The better judgement and more logical judgement would be to drive there. If that was the circumstances I would as well too.

[taylor192]

Everyone keeps saying calling 911....To be fair the article says they were on their way home from shopping so most likely they were already on the road. The better judgement and more logical judgement would be to drive there. If that was the circumstances I would as well too.
The logical judgement is to call 911, especially if she had complications before. Paramedics would be far better equipped to deal with any situation than her sitting shotgun with no care.

If they were out shopping even more reason to call an ambulance, as there's probably one parked close by. Dispatch makes sure they are spread out throughout the city, and often they just sit in parking lots waiting.

[Skyline350gt]

The logical judgement is to call 911, especially if she had complications before. Paramedics would be far better equipped to deal with any situation than her sitting shotgun with no care.

If they were out shopping even more reason to call an ambulance, as there's probably one parked close by. Dispatch makes sure they are spread out throughout the city, and often they just sit in parking lots waiting.

I could be biased here, but have you ever called 911? There was an emergency for someone in my family and you know what? It took fucking forty minutes. I would have been there in 15 if I was just cruising or 8 minutes if I was ripping it. Needless to say I have confidence in myself more than an ambulance, with speeding or not.

[gars]

I personally would've driven towards the hospital after calling for an Ambulance. You can meet the ambulance on the way and then continued towards the hospital.

[shenmecar]

The first cop was a douche. He should've done what zulu did. Instead of contacting another cop down the road to pull over the mentally stressed out father. What a dick thing to do.

Im not on the father's side though. He could've done things more rationally too. Although in the very same situation. I may do the same.......

[MR_BIGGS]

First police officer should have called an ambulance if the story is how the media is reporting it.

With that being said, would I do the same thing the husband did in the situation? I probably would, but that definately doesn't make it right. Travelling at 105 MPH not KM is not only putting the people in the car in danger, it is putting everyone on the road in danger. You never see an ambulance travelling that fast. When you have to make a snap judgement call, often your decision is clouded.

[Jgresch]

Why was the mother not in the hospital to begin with? People who are aware they will have brith complications are usually put in the hospital 2-3 days before they are due anyways so their is no chance of something going wrong....

[Manic!]

^ Not sure about this one. But according to the Doctor, speeding was necessary to save the wife and the baby.

How could it be necessary if he was stopped twice for a total of 30 minutes and the baby was still OK.

[taylor192]

I could be biased here, but have you ever called 911? There was an emergency for someone in my family and you know what? It took fucking forty minutes. I would have been there in 15 if I was just cruising or 8 minutes if I was ripping it. Needless to say I have confidence in myself more than an ambulance, with speeding or not.
That sucks dude, yet trust me that is not the norm. Ambulance response times are measured, and that measurement is taken very seriously. Dispatchers are in charge of keeping ambulances stashed throughout the city to maintain these measurements.

[noventa]

bullshit. and the title is misleading. save baby my ass. The baby would have been fine if it fell out in the passenger seat. also, he should have planned ahead for something like this. they should charge him for endangering the life of his unborn child for driving at that speed. If he truly felt that his family lives were in danger, he would not have stopped the first time. This guy is full of shit.

[Nlkko]

You sound like a fucking prick ass guy.

So your saying if you were the cop and pulled him over you would not let him drive away and let his baby die in the womb of the mother?

WOW

you know how traumatizing it is for a women to lose their baby?

If it was your wife and you knew you had to make it to the hospital or lose your baby would you do the same?

And you sound like a retard.

WOW

What if the guy crashed and killed a lot more people?

You know how traumatizing for a whole family when some fuck decided not to call the emergency service when there's an emergency and killed their family member?

If it was your family member would you stand there and applaud the guy's effort for being a total retard. And if the accident happened, you know whose asses would be on the grill? The police.

I'm sick of this media spin BS. Is this the new trend that when you break the law and you want sympathy you go to the media? Make the guy pay the fucking ticket, suspend his license and give the same disciplinary action to the idiot of a cop called the first officer.

[b0unce. [?]]

whats the average response time of an ambulance?

[13spoons]

right or wrong put your self in his shoes and try to do right thing
that would be hard to do in that mind set

[Nlkko]

^Define the right thing. Speeding in distress in a regular vehicle or have the paramedic who have better knowledge to take care of your spouse while somebody else is legally speeding with sirens on.

He's lucky to get off unscathed doesn't make it the right thing to do. What if somebody else wasn't so lucky? Pay the fucking ticket and be thankful that luck was on his side that day instead of going to the media and be a whiny bitch about it.

[hk20000]

^ you know just how long the response time is in some rural areas of Alberta, yes?

if it's "lightly trafficked" road then there really is no harm done. 105mph = about 160km/h

[JD¹³]

Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.

Bottom line: cops in this situation are dicks with no social awareness. They should have done exactly what ZT suggested: taken the woman in their vehicle whilst notifying an ambulance or the hospital of the incoming emergency. A $1000 speeding ticket and suspended license for what this guy did just goes to show how out of touch with reality many officers are. Setting a trap for them with their emergency further down the road is disgusting. The judge should be ashamed of himself for allowing that to stand, period.

Had I been in the situation of the man/father, I'd have done the same thing and most people would. Had the situation been worse like for example she was bleeding down there, or if I was transporting someone who had somehow severed an artery etc, I wouldn't even stop for an officer I'd just carry on until I reached the hospital. While calling ahead and trying to get an ambulance to meet me somewhere of course. Even if I was suspended from driving ever again it would be worth it if a life was saved.

[FerrariEnzo]

but the point is, what if he has crash.. not only would he not save the wife and baby, but his life and the other child will be harmed too.. the doctor said that they didnt need to speed to get to the hospital, so its assumed that the condition wasnt as severe as it would have seemed

but suspending his license for 5 months plus fine.. harsh..

[Berzerker]

Not going to read all 3 pages of this but all I can say is this.... It's fucking MANITOBA. Flat as hell not much traffic on the highways. As for all of you saying "Why didn't he wait for an ambulance blah blah. It stated he was already driving. We don't know WHERE he lives, we don't don't know HOW FAR the ambulance OR hospital is away so saying "wait and call" when you KNOW you don't have a lot of time is you trying to be high and mighty.

I would have done the exact same thing, only I wouldn't have stopped for the cops the 2nd time. (I would have stopped the first in the hopes the officer would give an escort) I would have let them follow me all the way to the hospital and arrest me there for evasion as there is NO FUCKING WAY I would stop and put my wife and unborn child in jeopardy.

Berz out.

[taylor192]

While calling ahead and trying to get an ambulance to meet me somewhere of course.
That is a key difference, which neither the man or the officer did.

[Berzerker]

Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.

Bottom line: cops in this situation are dicks with no social awareness. They should have done exactly what ZT suggested: taken the woman in their vehicle whilst notifying an ambulance or the hospital of the incoming emergency. A $1000 speeding ticket and suspended license for what this guy did just goes to show how out of touch with reality many officers are. Setting a trap for them with their emergency further down the road is disgusting. The judge should be ashamed of himself for allowing that to stand, period.

Had I been in the situation of the man/father, I'd have done the same thing and most people would. Had the situation been worse like for example she was bleeding down there, or if I was transporting someone who had somehow severed an artery etc, I wouldn't even stop for an officer I'd just carry on until I reached the hospital. While calling ahead and trying to get an ambulance to meet me somewhere of course. Even if I was suspended from driving ever again it would be worth it if a life was saved.

Fuck I really wanted to Thank this post.

Berz out.

[moomooCow]

Fuck I really wanted to Thank this post.

Berz out.


Yeah why can't I thank JD13?

TO PROTECT AND SERVE

I don't understand how the first cop thought it was reasonable to ticket the man and then set up a trap for him down the road. If he suspected that he might continue speeding, then he should not have let him drive off at all and should have done as ZT did. It's ridiculous that this guy isn't getting penalized for his actions.

[Great68]

It's like what do you do if you see a loved one getting hurt. Wait, I'll call the cops and wait 30 minutes because it's the law.

No kidding, I'm sure he'd love to tell his wife:

"Sorry honey you have to hold up in pain agony for 30 minutes while the ambulance gets here, we want to be legal".

[gretzky]

no wonder why so much people hate the police

[hillmar]

The cop should have escorted them to the hospital as quick as possible and then give them a ticket afterwards. That would be the compassionate thing to do.
Cop Gives Couple Ticket After Helping Them Rush to Hospital for Baby Delivery | Video | TheBlaze.com (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/cop-gives-couple-ticket-after-helping-them-rush-to-hospital-for-baby-delivery/)

[optiblue]

Yeah, the smarter thing would just be to call 911 and let them airlift you to the hospital if necessary. Honestly, driving at normal speeds without the 30 minute delay in pull overs would have probably gotten him there in the same time. I don't believe the situation could have been that bad, had it been, he would have just sped to the hospital and get arrested later.

[zulutango]

I'm not aware of the lay of the land there but in an earlier version of this story it seemed like Mr Webber chose to drive away from other areas where he could have received medical help much sooner for his wife and chose instead to drive for long periods of time at 100 plus mph so he could go to his home doctor and local hospital. I keep referring back to the decision by an impartial tyrer of fact, to uphold the charges against him. This is Mr Webber's story, told by him, to avoid the penalties imposed on him by due process of law. We only know what he is telling us, not the full story.

For those of you who want to the real rest of the real story, try this link to the Gazette..

http://winnipeggazette.com/2011/07/24/enough-already-you-boob/

Now we know what really happened and why the judge didn't buy his story. Maybe some posters here might want to reconsider their positions, after reading the other side.

Seems like his driving 150 kms back towards Brandon, ignoring several closer hospitals, may have had some weight in the court's decision. The fact that this happened in March in Manitoba (ever driven there in winter? ) also reinforces the stupidity of his repeated decisions to speed.

According to a CTV report. Webber WAS offered an escort to hospital when first stopped..

Then David was pulled over for speeding by the RCMP, who told him to slow down and offered him a police escort to the nearest hospital, in nearby Portage-la-Prarie. He declined the offer and rushed off toward the city of Brandon, where the couple felt Genevieve would "be taken care of"

[MindBomber]

If Mr Webber is telling the whole truth and he described his wife as being in urgent need of treatment for a life-threatening medical emergency, I can't see any Police officer not immediately getting it...let alone two of them.

I can totally see two police officers, with limited or no experience dealing with problematic pregnancies, dismissing the possibility that Mrs. Webber and the child she was carrying were indeed in life threatening danger and assuming the Webber's were simply parents over reacting to labour. The doctors report confirms Mr. Webber's statements, who clearly had a better understanding of his wife's medical needs than the two officers.

Mr.Webber IS AT FAULT, but given the circumstances I think some consideration should be given. The officers are however, EQUALLY AT FAULT for not airing on the side of caution and aiding the Webber's in receiving the urgent medical attention they were informed she required.

Furthermore, in the identical situation I may have driven my wife myself and bypassed the ambulances. That conclusion is based on having had to call ambulances on two occasions; one where I was bleeding severely, I had 45 stitches and three re-constructive surgeries for the injury, and it took twice as long for the ambulance to arrive as it would have for me to drive at legal speeds; the second it took an hour for an ambulance to arrive for my Mom, who I told the dispatcher was in severe pain and badly injured, and we later discovered had broken her hip in 28 places as a result of a fall. If I told a dispatcher my wife was in labour and had life threatening complications, just like the two officers improperly dismissed Mr. Webber, the 911 dispatcher may have done the same.

I am the most avid supporter of Police even when in the vast minority taking that position, but they were completely wrong in this circumstance..

[zulutango]

;7526384']whats the average response time of an ambulance?

Depends how far away they are and if one is free to come. They usually rolled in less than a minute when I required one for a medical emergency. They are only permitted to exceed the speed limit by a certain number of KMH.

[zulutango]

Mindbomber you might want to read my post above. Lots more info. BTW as part of RCMP training, we deal with this exact situation. Call an ambulance, if no time, get the patient into the PC and head out towards it. Mr Webber refused the a mbulance and chose to drive 150 kms to his home hspital at 100 mph plus speeds in winter in rural Manitoba.

[JesseBlue]

i was in this situation last year with my second...had my hazards on and it was midnight...i knew i was going to barely beat a yellow/red light but of all the time and places a cop car was there (on my way to RCH)....got stopped obviously but it was a lady cop that let us go....

since i lived it, i would say that this is a male ego thing who has no clue about the situation and chose to have blinders...

if the unfortunate happens and they lost the baby, theyll be a press conference saying that it was an unfortunate misunderstanding and blah blah...

[Nightwalker]

According to the story, he spent 30 minutes held up for tickets. Speeding sure got him there faster! :failed:

Why is this Canadian story in MPH?

[MindBomber]

Mindbomber you might want to read my post above. Lots more info. BTW as part of RCMP training, we deal with this exact situation. Call an ambulance, if no time, get the patient into the PC and head out towards it. Mr Webber refused the a mbulance and chose to drive 150 kms to his home hspital at 100 mph plus speeds in winter in rural Manitoba.

Thanks for adding that information Zulu, I had already begun my writing my post when you added those details. Although I do understand the basis behind Mr. Webber's decision and why he would want their regular doctor to treat his wife, that information dramatically changes the overall story.

[keifun]

After reading that, the first thing I thought of was this:

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[TheKingdom2000]

when you're in a stressful situation you don't usually adhere to the rules.
that said, they still should have just called an amberlamp and paid the fee.

[RHMadness]

if it was the life of your unborn child or the law.. i would pick my child and wife.. why stop in the first place when the cop pulled you over.. I would have driven straight to the hospital.. watch me get failed.. i think your significant other and child are more important than 1000$ truthfully..

[CRS]

if it was the life of your unborn child or the law.. i would pick my child and wife.. why stop in the first place when the cop pulled you over.. I would have driven straight to the hospital.. watch me get failed.. i think your significant other and child are more important than 1000$ truthfully..

Forget significant other or family, I'd pick saving any person's life (whether it be a stranger or a loved one) over $1000 any day.

[GabAlmighty]

;7526384']whats the average response time of an ambulance?

Depends. A child with a spinal and no breathing/no breathing and no pulse, is going to get an ambulance within 4 minutes most than likely.

[mr_chin]

Although the officers were doing their job, the first officer should have assisted the woman into his cruiser, turn on the lights and rush her to the hospital, instead of giving him a lecture about speeding.

Did he actually think that if he let him go with a ticket, he would drive to the hospital at speed limit while his wife is crying in pain. Letting him go would give him the chance to commit the same offence. Are these officers retarded?

[Supafly]

Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.



Just because the vehicle can obtain that speed, does not mean the vehicle can manuever safely or stop in a safe manner....adding the driver on top with severe mental distress makes it that much more worse.

160km/h + deer = mess...doesnt matter if you're a truck or a car...

hell, my 1981 toyota carona can break 160km/h.....but it cant steer for shit or stop on a dime.....

[zulutango]

Although the officers were doing their job, the first officer should have assisted the woman into his cruiser, turn on the lights and rush her to the hospital, instead of giving him a lecture about speeding.

Did he actually think that if he let him go with a ticket, he would drive to the hospital at speed limit while his wife is crying in pain. Letting him go would give him the chance to commit the same offence. Are these officers retarded?

Read my last posts with the links attached. HE REFUSED to have his wife transported when he was 15 kms from Portage...HE CHOSE to drive 170 KMH to Brandon instead...in March winter conditions, at high speed when there was no reason other than he wanted to take her to their own doctor. This guy chose to take her on a 300km round trip to go shopping, in winter, 5 days before her operation. What would he have done if a storm had hit and they got stranded somewhere? Why didn't he use his cell phone ( 15 kms outside Portage they have cell service)? This is not about the Cops being retarded, it's about Mr Webber choosing to repeatedly make bad and dangerous choices, to hell with the consequences. If there was any low level of intellegence it was missing from Mr Webber. BTW it doesn't take 15 minutes to write a ticket...maybe 5 mins at top. Maybe the other 10 were spent trying to convince Webber to accept medical help? You cannot force someone to see a doctor. He did say that they "lectured him" ...to see a doctor and to slow down...both requests that he chose to ignore.

[AzNightmare]

ticket is well deserved. But the 15 minute lecture/delay (twice!) was no necessary.
Under the circumstances, the officer should have gave him the ticket as fast as possible,
and help call an ambulance.

Then again, this guy should have just called the ambulance instead of try to take it in his own hands.

[mr_chin]

Read my last posts with the links attached. HE REFUSED to have his wife transported when he was 15 kms from Portage...HE CHOSE to drive 170 KMH to Brandon instead...in March winter conditions, at high speed when there was no reason other than he wanted to take her to their own doctor. This guy chose to take her on a 300km round trip to go shopping, in winter, 5 days before her operation. What would he have done if a storm had hit and they got stranded somewhere? Why didn't he use his cell phone ( 15 kms outside Portage they have cell service)? This is not about the Cops being retarded, it's about Mr Webber choosing to repeatedly make bad and dangerous choices, to hell with the consequences. If there was any low level of intellegence it was missing from Mr Webber. BTW it doesn't take 15 minutes to write a ticket...maybe 5 mins at top. Maybe the other 10 were spent trying to convince Webber to accept medical help? You cannot force someone to see a doctor. He did say that they "lectured him" ...to see a doctor and to slow down...both requests that he chose to ignore.

oh i didn't read that part... lol. hell with this guy, i hope his son turns on him, damn bastard!

[Mananetwork]

Rural Manitoba, even around Winnipeg, the roads are wide and flat with tons of vis. 160km/h out there isn't overly dangerous, just because you're used to cruising around at 80 or 90 in BC doesn't make this guy wreckless. He's driving a newish Honda Civic with modern tires, brakes, airbags, etc. A vehicle more than capable of doing that speed safely.

Bottom line: cops in this situation are dicks with no social awareness. They should have done exactly what ZT suggested: taken the woman in their vehicle whilst notifying an ambulance or the hospital of the incoming emergency. A $1000 speeding ticket and suspended license for what this guy did just goes to show how out of touch with reality many officers are. Setting a trap for them with their emergency further down the road is disgusting. The judge should be ashamed of himself for allowing that to stand, period.

Had I been in the situation of the man/father, I'd have done the same thing and most people would. Had the situation been worse like for example she was bleeding down there, or if I was transporting someone who had somehow severed an artery etc, I wouldn't even stop for an officer I'd just carry on until I reached the hospital. While calling ahead and trying to get an ambulance to meet me somewhere of course. Even if I was suspended from driving ever again it would be worth it if a life was saved.

Agree with you 100%. There are times we need to obey the law and times we should lend a hand to help. I'm outright ashamed of what humans can do to each other without any compassion!

[gars]

For those who haven't read the story that Zulutango linked to.

It's from the Winnipeg Gazette

Enough already, you boob
Posted on Sun - Jul 24, 2011

When I read the story of the highway escapades of David Weber and his wife Genevieve in the local media, I just shrugged and passed them off as yet one whining set of Manitoba morons who got what they deserved after doing a version of Two Lane Blacktop on one of Manitoba’s more dangerous highways.

But now it seems they’re peddling their distorted tale of woe to the media in another province, although a quick read of some of the comments to the story seems to indicate Ontario heartland readers have a fonder appreciation of the fact that speed kills, regardless of circumstances.

Not so in Manitoba where, if memory serves, something like 60% of readers saw nothing wrong with their actions in the original story. When I went looking for that story, instead I came across a more recent article that seems to have dialed back the ‘human interest’ sympathy angle somewhat, although it too fails to portray the events in a more realistic manner.

First, what reasonable woman, who is supposedly a candidate for high risk delivery and C-section scheduled in days, would feel it’s acceptable to go on a day long shopping trip an hour’s drive away, even if Winnipeg has several first-rate maternity care facilities.

Portage La Prairie, where they live, may not be the shopping mecca of Manitoba but it does have a Walmart and several other stores that can supply not only the basic needs of life, but a fair share of the shopper frills as well. It even has its own daily newspaper – if that’s an indication of civilization these days.

At any rate, my understanding of the story is that on their way back they are stopped by the RCMP outside Oakville for speeding – Oakville being about a 15 to 20 minute drive east of Portage.

It’s not overly clear what transpired, but based on my dealings with the local RCMP in the area, if there was any obvious signs of health distress, Genevieve Weber would have been loaded into the RCMP cruiser and rushed to Portage District Hospital. Not that it’s unheard of for the RCMP to escort a vehicle to a medical facility, but it’s generally in cases of severe trauma where it’s unreasonable or impracticable to use the cruiser as a last resort instead of a proper Paramedic unit. In most of these cases the Mounties and EMS personnel have been given advance warning of the situation and meet the vehicle en route to minimize the risk.

It’s not overly clear if the Webers attempt to call emergency services and ask for an escort prior to being stopped by the Mountie, but I suspect not. In fact , in view of the ticket being issued I suspect David Webber was beating his gums about speeding all the way to Brandon - with or without a police escort, and not interested in co-operating with the Officer who was left with no option but to issue a ticket to cover his/her butt, and notify Brandon RCMP that the Webers didn’t grasp the first message.

The officer was in a rather awkward position because their dispatcher is notified of every traffic stop and provided with the vehicle licence number over the radio. Assistance or an escort to the nearest medical facility in Portage La Prairie could be justified at a more prudent speed over the speed limit but not flying at 100 miles an hour past the first appropriate medical facility.

So what of the medical facility in Portage – why the need to get to Brandon? That baffles me. Even if Genevieve Weber’s maternity specialist is in Brandon, for whatever reason, the Portage District General Hospital is an 85 bed first-rate hospital that matches some of Winnipeg’s Hospitals albeit slightly scaled down.

Here’s what their site has to say:

The Portage District General Hospital serves an area of population of over 50,000 people and includes an 89-bed acute care regional centre. Care services offered include: critical care (ER/ICU), surgery, obstetrics, medicine, extended treatment, chemotherapy, hemo dialysis, community mental health, rehabilitation, respiratory, as well as a variety of diagnostic and ambulatory care services. With support from many community partners, a full range of community services (mental health, public health, home care) are available to the residents of Portage la Prairie and extended communities.

Having had a short stay in that hospital, I can attest that the care is not only first-rate, but actually somewhat better than in Winnipeg Hospitals. They are capable of dealing with all manner of illness, injury, and severe trauma from industrial, farm, and highway accidents, although in some situations patients are transferred to Winnipeg by ambulance after being stabilized, for specialized care.

In short, assessment, packing any bleeding, administering drugs to stop birth contractions, sedating and prep for transfer to Brandon via Paramedics would take a matter of minutes – certainly less than the hour it would take to drive to Brandon, putting family and everyone else on the highway at risk. Any relevant emergency information about the pregnancy is no more than a phone call and/or fax from the Hospital in Brandon.

In short what the Webers did was irresponsible, bone headed, unnecessary, and without justification. Speed and bad driving habits take too many lives on our Manitoba highways, as last weekend death toll will attest. Manitoba is not some backward hinterland devoid of proper health care facilities, and it’s offensive to read a story in the Toronto Star along with stupid inferences by a blogger who seems to suffer from all manner of irrational biases.

Apparently David Weber is some type of salesman, but I’m not buying anything he might be selling because he seems to play pretty fast and loose with the facts – enough already boob, take the punishment you deserve for a lack of common sense.

[gars]

*double post*

[zulutango]

ticket is well deserved. But the 15 minute lecture/delay (twice!) was no necessary.
Under the circumstances, the officer should have gave him the ticket as fast as possible,
and help call an ambulance.

The 15 minute lecture/delay was because the Cops were trying to talk him into getting his wife into an ambulance & taking her to the Portage Hospital 15 kms away instead of racing 150 kms at 170 kmh to Brandon. The second 15 minutes was while he finally waited for th4e ambulance. Nothing here says the Cops held her outside the ambulance while they served him his second ticket.

Then again, this guy should have just called the ambulance instead of try to take it in his own hands.

I agree also!...maybe he should have turned around before leaving Portage and headed right back into town after calling an ambulance. They have cell coverage in Portage.

To quote from the second newspaper story.." In short what the Webers did was irresponsible, bone headed, unnecessary, and without justification.

[younglude]

some of you guys seem to think that there is an abundance of available ambulances waiting for calls.

truth is, there isnt. if you have called 911 for an ambulance before, you know you are asked a series of questions to determine the severity of the patient. some people have waited well over an hour for an ambulance because there just isnt enough of them.

If the patient is sick and needs attention now, i.e. unconscious, trouble breathing. an ambulance will be there very fast. and even if the patient is far from a hospital. a helicopter will be sent as well.

There are also highly trained paramedics trained specially in child birth. why not call for help from some one that knows what they are doing?

[Oleophobic]

^
this

Last time I had to call an ambulance it took over 15 minutes, but as annoyed as I was, I realized that based on my responses to the questions the dispatcher asked, they determined it wasn't extremely serious or life-threatening and thus, lower priority.

[parm104]

He would have been smarter if he just called 911 and got an ambulance.
What would happen if he got into a car accident?....that would just be a mess...

you guys are not seeing the bigger picture here....he could have hurt more people; not only his wife and unborn kid.
what would you think if he hit your friend who was crossing the street or you sister/brother/mom/dad in a t-bone accident?

jesus, just because you're in an "emergency" doesn't give you the ability to drive stupid.

Partially agree with you...The bigger picture isn't that if he kept speeding he could've hurt someone....the bigger picture is after the first officer realized the situation he had infront of him, we did he not make any effort to safely transport this pregnant woman to the hospital? Why did he instead tell them to be on their merry way to the hospital but to not speed?

[SumAznGuy]

some of you guys seem to think that there is an abundance of available ambulances waiting for calls.

truth is, there isnt. if you have called 911 for an ambulance before, you know you are asked a series of questions to determine the severity of the patient. some people have waited well over an hour for an ambulance because there just isnt enough of them.

If the patient is sick and needs attention now, i.e. unconscious, trouble breathing. an ambulance will be there very fast. and even if the patient is far from a hospital. a helicopter will be sent as well.

There are also highly trained paramedics trained specially in child birth. why not call for help from some one that knows what they are doing?

Most of the comments about the ambulances are based on big city standards. I have no idea how big of a city Portage is or how many ambulances they have nor how long their response times will be.

But if you lived in butt frick no where, don't expect to see an ambulance waiting for an emergency on every street corner. It is quite possible that that city only has 1 or 2 ambulances and response times may be much longer than what we are accustomed to.

That being said, the Webers truely are at fault for not going to the nearest hospital and trying to make that hour long drive to their home hospital especially in the middle of winter. What it their car broke down along the highway or spun out from the high rate of speed. :facepalm:

[Nicotine]

shows the difference between an officer and a pig imo. wtf. if my baby was about to die id floor it too. save a life or give a guy a ticket for speeding. why doesn't he just give the guy a fucking escort.

[metal]

^Did you not read the thread?

[zulutango]

shows the difference between an officer and a pig imo. wtf. if my baby was about to die id floor it too. save a life or give a guy a ticket for speeding. why doesn't he just give the guy a fucking escort.

To quote the CTV report on this farce..." Then David was pulled over for speeding by the RCMP, who told him to slow down and offered him a police escort to the nearest hospital, in nearby Portage-la-Prarie. He declined the offer and rushed off toward the city of Brandon, where the couple felt Genevieve would "be taken care of."

[Gumby]

It's quite evident who on Revscene reads, and who doesn't.

[AlphaKappa]

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[JD¹³]

Just because the vehicle can obtain that speed, does not mean the vehicle can manuever safely or stop in a safe manner....

hell, my 1981 toyota carona can break 160km/h.....but it cant steer for shit or stop on a dime.....
You completely missed the point where I mentioned he was driving a new Honda with modern tires, brakes, and safety standards. It's not your 81 Corona.

It's all moot now since the guy's obviously an idiot.

[seakrait]

Partially agree with you...The bigger picture isn't that if he kept speeding he could've hurt someone....the bigger picture is after the first officer realized the situation he had infront of him, we did he not make any effort to safely transport this pregnant woman to the hospital? Why did he instead tell them to be on their merry way to the hospital but to not speed?


i'm going to assume that you've read the multiple posts detailing the fact that the man refused the aid of the first officer to transport the woman to hospital.
what else could the officer do? arrest the man? arrest the woman and throw her in the police cruiser to take her to the closest? the officer has no right to do any of these things in that situation. it has to be the man/woman's choice. they made theirs. and now they should pay for it.

[parm104]

i'm going to assume that you've read the multiple posts detailing the fact that the man refused the aid of the first officer to transport the woman to hospital.
what else could the officer do? arrest the man? arrest the woman and throw her in the police cruiser to take her to the closest? the officer has no right to do any of these things in that situation. it has to be the man/woman's choice. they made theirs. and now they should pay for it.

2 days later and now you respond to that lol...I think it's now been made abundantly clear that the safer option was made available...

[zulutango]

Just adding gas to the fire...had it been in BC the car would have been impounded at the first stop and she could have gone directly to the nearby hospital. Anyone want to be that he would have still complained about the insensitive Cops endangering his wife?

[racerman88]

that is letter of the law done right.
Kind of stupid in my opinion given that that his wife is in the car as well.

[seakrait]

2 days later and now you respond to that lol...I think it's now been made abundantly clear that the safer option was made available...

it's never too late to point out ignorance of facts. :D

[parm104]

it's never too late to point out ignorance of facts. :D

I'll correct your ignorance by explaining my "ignorance of facts." My response was to the article provided in the original post. I'm not reading through four pages of a thread to make one post.

QUOTE from Greenstoner's article: "The couple's first reaction was that of relief, thinking the officer would hear their situation and offer them an escort to the hospital. Forget it."

I read the article posted by the O.P...no where in that article does it say the officer had made an effort to provide further assistance. Ignorance would be if it was stated in there and I ignored that...

Regardless, I don't suppose I have to do my own research when making a comment on a post made by another member. My initial response was one that was justifiably viable based on the original post.

And yes, it is "too late to point out ignorance of facts" AFTER someone becomes aware of the facts...AT that point, it becomes to late...hence you pointing it out was TOO LATE and a useless post.

[Ronin]

Why do the police insist on PR nightmares when any reasonable, logical person can see what the correct call here is...

Waive the fees, suspensions and shit. This wouldn't have happened if the police officer was smart enough to call an ambulance to the site of what I'm SURE is a woman screaming in pain in a car with a guy telling you she's pregnant and her life is endanger. Y'know, that might've been the better thing to do instead of NOT driving them to the hospital yourself and telling them to drive slowly after delaying them for a long ass time...TWICE.

I have a hard time believing it would take an ambulance 30 minutes to get anywhere but the booniest of towns.

But yes, calling an ambulance would've been the smart thing to do in the first place but in this case, I can't say I wouldn't have done the same if I thought it would save time...because I live less than 5 minutes from the hospital in Richmond and I think nailing it down Gilbert would be quicker than calling 911.

[slammer111]

Wonder what kind of lawsuit the cops would be facing if the wife + died while the family was stuck getting a ticket.

105mph is pretty insane though.

[geeknerd]

laws :fuckthatshit:
although my judgement depends on what kind of road he was driving on,
if it was a road like stretch to ubc, highway, alike, 100mph + light traffic is easy peasy.
every mother and child does it in autobahn, korea, china, w.e

Before, i felt places like korea, the cops are a joke since they do not carry the sense of 'authority' but now i feel that canada/usa cops have way tooo much power and alot of them trip out on it.

here in korea, driving at 160km/h = cops dont even care. Why? a lot of people do it and can handle it. Its not as scary as people mention it in vancouver, they just think so because they are told it is by the cops/laws/fines. lol
if i did this for 10 years vs a cop who got advanced driver training but only been a cop for a few month.
who's the 'qualified' driver?
am i more dangerous and not qualified because i dont have advanced driver training/sirens/marked car? yes, a flashing cop car will play a significant factor but
any veteran cop knows that field experience is worth a fucking lot.

so many factors/situations exist, how can one law cover them all? how can one judge cover them all?

[ptrinh]

^straight.

[RabidRat]

The couple's first reaction was that of relief, thinking the officer would hear their situation and offer them an escort to the hospital. Forget it.

Why the fuck didn't the first cop just give them a ride to the hospital?

Heartless fuck.

edit: n/m, someone needs to link the other article to the OP.

[seakrait]

Why the fuck didn't the first cop just give them a ride to the hospital?

Heartless fuck.

Read my last posts with the links attached. HE [the husband] REFUSED to have his wife transported [by the cop] when he was 15 kms from Portage...HE CHOSE to drive 170 KMH to Brandon instead...in March winter conditions, at high speed when there was no reason other than he wanted to take her to their own doctor. This guy chose to take her on a 300km round trip to go shopping, in winter, 5 days before her operation. What would he have done if a storm had hit and they got stranded somewhere? Why didn't he use his cell phone ( 15 kms outside Portage they have cell service)? This is not about the Cops being retarded, it's about Mr Webber choosing to repeatedly make bad and dangerous choices, to hell with the consequences. If there was any low level of intellegence it was missing from Mr Webber. BTW it doesn't take 15 minutes to write a ticket...maybe 5 mins at top. Maybe the other 10 were spent trying to convince Webber to accept medical help? You cannot force someone to see a doctor. He did say that they "lectured him" ...to see a doctor and to slow down...both requests that he chose to ignore.

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[RabidRat]

I just got to it.

Someone needs to edit the fucking article in the OP, it's completely ass-opposite of what happened. :rolleyes:

[seakrait]

I just got to it.

Someone needs to edit the fucking article in the OP, it's completely ass-opposite of what happened. :rolleyes:

hahahaha... you're a mod too. enter in some TL;DR text!

[- kT]

hard to really take a side without a view on the whole situation, especially when little tidbits are being added here and there

[RabidRat]

hahahaha... you're a mod too. enter in some TL;DR text!

Can't, I only have VAC and Members' Rides under me haha