[Ford_Fanatic]

City to reduce speed limit on accident-prone Hastings (http://www.vancouversun.com/City+reduce+speed+limit+accident+prone+Hastings/5164714/story.html)

Sigh, slowing one of the city's busiest roads to a crawl.

[Supafly]

forget the brakes, i'll hit the gas. They'll move...im pretty damn sure they will when they know im not stopping....hell I've done it to others...and DTES is no diffrent.

I know for a fact I wont get hurt when im sitting inside a 4000lb coupe....and they're a mere 150lbs.

[PJ]

Isn't that going to give them more incentive to jaywalk.. because the cars are moving slower..

[twitchyzero]

I think we should see this community issue from the perspective of the heroin fiends and their mothers


:troll:

[Graeme S]

It's interesting that the police have opposed the reduction of speed in that section. I'm really annoyed by this; several of my coworkers also oppose it (we head through that little piece of road every day to get to work), mostly because if we reduce the speed, there will be just as many injuries and fatalities, because people will be less afraid of the consequences of just suddenly walking across. Honestly, what we need to reduce pedestrian collisions is to put bars between the sidewalk and the street. Sure it seems like kind of an ass-y move, but if you want to reduce the number of pedestrian impacts...that'll do it.

[spideyv2]

drive slower to allow the pooks j-walk..pfffffffffft

[vafanculo]

Damn now they gonna surround our cars and hang on to them like the zombies they are.

I'd prefer keep the speed limit the same, and make flamethrowers legal there
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[GLOW]

I know for a fact I wont get hurt when im sitting inside a 4000lb coupe....and they're a mere 150lbs.

more like 75lbs

[shenmecar]

wtf, this is not gonna work. I think ppl will get aggravated and just gun it, only to have an accident seconds later.

[muteki]

What ever happened to survival of the fittest? If you don't want to be stupid and die, DON'T JAYWALK. -_- Freaking zombies drones...

[drunkrussian]

they should implement a program where you can get a license and once you purchase this license, you're allowed to run over as many junkies as you want. Sorta like fishing licenses or hunting licenses, but for junkies.

[Matlock]

Can we just fence off the sidewalks at the curb where all the druggers jay-walk?

[taylor192]

Honestly, what we need to reduce pedestrian collisions is to put bars between the sidewalk and the street. Sure it seems like kind of an ass-y move, but if you want to reduce the number of pedestrian impacts...that'll do it.

Many universities do this so students only cross at the crosswalk. I don't see how it can be acceptable for our academic elite, while an asshat move for junkies - its a good move for both.

[GLOW]

lowering the speed limit is about as useful as a bike lane

:troll:

Can we just fence off the sidewalks at the curb where all the druggers jay-walk?

that sounds like a pretty decent idea. at least you only have to watch out at intersections. but if you're getting chased/harassed by junkies you can only run up/down the street. seems like there'd be no escape for you lol

[Greenstoner]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3419/4002781885_fa02aa6534.jpg


btw, fencing off the side walk wont work because all the steel and conduit will be jack by the junkies on the same night they put up

[Ch28]

Speed ISN'T the issue here.

It's the drugged up jaywalkers that cross as if they're invincible that cause all the accidents.

[StylinRed]

i think it only makes sense that speed limit be lowered hell they should probably make an overpass for them to walk over; although the problem with that is they probably wouldn't use it

i pass through there everyday and normally have no real issue since traffic is slow as hell during the Rush Hour but outside of that i can see how it can be a risky situation especially with the knowledge that so many people have been hit

[7seven]

That is so fucked up, the majority of pedestrian-vehicle fatalities are from low speed collisions due to pedestrian error. Speed has nothing to do with it.

This is just another reason why Gregor and his Vision lead city council need to be voted out. Besides the horrible planning and lack of consultation regarding the bike lanes and handcuffing the VPD by not giving them enough of a budget, they are also wanting to remove the Georgia viaducts and now reducing speed limit to 30km/h on that section of road :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[murd0c]

How about they just put up a fence along the side walks so people are unable to jaywalk. It's not our fucken fault that all of these crackers j-walk left right and center running after talking butterfly's.

[SumAznGuy]

That is so fucked up, the majority of pedestrian-vehicle fatalities are from low speed collisions due to pedestrian error. Speed has nothing to do with it.

This is just another reason why Gregor and his Vision lead city council need to be voted out. Besides the horrible planning and lack of consultation regarding the bike lanes and handcuffing the VPD by not giving them enough of a budget, they are also wanting to remove the Georgia viaducts and now reducing speed limit to 30km/h on that section of road :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Don't forget, these are the same iddiots that spent $100K to some DTES party to do their research on how to prevent the high number of fatalities along this stretch of road. And then this party pans it off to a 3rd party for the price of $65K and pockets the remaining $35K.

[vitaminG]

City of vancouver takes the advice of study conducted by Vancouver Network of Drug users over the POLICE, give me a fucking break.

[nns]

They want to remove the viaduct? When did this happen?

[StylinRed]

They want to remove the viaduct? When did this happen?

A Developer thinks they can make millions of dollars if they develop the area (without the viaducts) and they're petitioning the city to think about it and the city says they'll research the idea over the next year or so but people have being very loud about not liking the idea already (me included) so the city may not even bother thinking about it anymore



How about they just put up a fence along the side walks so people are unable to jaywalk. It's not our fucken fault that all of these crackers j-walk left right and center running after talking butterfly's.

do you know how much fencing actually costs? a shit load

it makes more sense to lower the speed limits just for that little stretch of road


you guys complaining sound like girls that just want to bitch about everything

[murd0c]

^ I was thinking of more of a cage style ;)

[StylinRed]

the government decided to close the cage remember? they sent all those mentally unstable people out of the asylum and into the streets of the dtes

i doubt they're going to open it back up now especially since most of the population of the dtes has been pushed out to the suburbs

[murd0c]

we can dream about it at least:okay:

[1exotic]

this makes me fucking rage.

the road is meant for fucking cars.
intersection crosswalks are used to walk accross the fucking road.
I say raise the speed limit to 80km so these mother fuckers will stay off the road. 30km just means it is completely fine for them to walk all over the place.

if they are walking on the fucking road I will not stop but instead gun it right at them... move out my way you piece of shit.


I lost count of how many times I've almost killed some idiot. Also almost ran over some guy dressed in all black at night.

[SumAznGuy]

I'm in Burnaby. Wasn't me.

[impactX]

So who here voted for Gregory Robertson and/or Vision Vancouver? :troll:

[tr0ubl3s0m3x]

No shit eh? Sick of the government catering to the junkies. What's next, a safe injection site? Oh wait...
Fuck you Robertson you fuckin hippie bike lane fucking fuck.
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[dlo]

^ LOL, the safe injection is actually a good idea, this, hell the fuck no, they are pree much encouraging jay walking from heads now, :facepalm:

[Mercy]

^ LOL, the safe injection is actually a good idea, this, hell the fuck no, they are pree much encouraging jay walking from heads now, :facepalm:

Already is a safe injection site...
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[spideyv2]

Robertson is on a roll :facepalm:
At leasr he isnt getting caught doing dui's....
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[minoru_tanaka]

A Developer thinks they can make millions of dollars if they develop the area (without the viaducts) and they're petitioning the city to think about it and the city says they'll research the idea over the next year or so but people have being very loud about not liking the idea already (me included) so the city may not even bother thinking about it anymore

Future of viaducts goes to public consultation process (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Future+viaducts+goes+public+consultation+process/5164729/story.html)

Spending half a million dollars to get someone to think about it is not bothering?

Anyways there should be a minimum speed limit, like 120, so we can be sure they don't make it.

[7seven]

They want to remove the viaduct? When did this happen?

Angry comments over possible tear-down of viaducts
People say Vancouver is moving backwards
Amanda Wawryk Jul 28, 2011 08:46:03 AM

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The angry comments continue to pour in over the story we brought you yesterday about the City of Vancouver's plan to potentially tear down the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts.

Many people don't understand the city's logic. Dozens of comments have been posted on this website, including one reading "Another joke from Vancouver."

'BL' is taking some shots at city council, saying they are moving Vancouver backwards so fast that we will be in the horse and buggy days of the early 1900s very quickly.

'Hemi' agrees the city is moving backwards, saying we are the joke of the modern world.

If the viaducts do go, Brian believes downtown shops and other businesses can kiss thousands of dollars goodbye. A couple folks say Mayor Gregor Robertson needs to go, while Jessie adds living here is like living in a dictatorship.

Angry comments over possible tear-down of viaducts - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/259065--angry-comments-over-possible-tear-down-of-viaducts)

How do drivers in the suburbs feel about Vancouver viaducts?
City to spend next year further exploring idea of getting rid of them
Tamara Slobogean Jul 27, 2011 07:38:19 AM

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - They serve as an important commuter corridor into downtown Vancouver for tens of thousands of drivers a day. As the city moves forward with a plan to tear down the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts, News1130 is asking drivers in the suburbs how they feel about driving into the city.

We spoke with one man in Burnaby who uses the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts every day. He doesn't understand the logic behind the possibility of cutting off a major point of access to a regions till so dependent on the car:

"I think it's crazy because we're trying to advertise our [cities] as a place that's got some convenience to get in and out of."

"You take that away, how are you going to get in there?" wonders another driver.

There seems to be a school of thought that gives a thumbs-up to encouraging public transit and even cycling, but says you can't cut off access to much of the region that still relies on cars. Vancouver has decided to spend the next year and nearly $500,000 to study the best uses of the land that currently supports two viaducts.

How do drivers in the suburbs feel about Vancouver viaducts? - News1130 (http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/258589--how-do-drivers-in-the-suburbs-feel-about-vancouver-viaducts)

Expert: Viaducts should be torn down
Could be used as housing for homeless
John Ackermann/The Globe and Mail Nov 01, 2010 08:46:25 AM

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - The Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts are a waste of space. That's the opinion of a leading transportation expert who is calling on the City of Vancouver to tear them down.
Simon Fraser University Urban Studies professor Anthony Perl feels the viaducts are a relic of Vancouver's aborted highway's system.
He tells the Globe and Mail newspaper they are a no man's land and the space they take up could be better used for affordable housing.
Perl admits it would take quite a bit of political will to take apart the viaducts but adds civic leaders must realize drivers will adjust to new traffic patterns -- just as they did during the Olympics when the viaducts were temporarily shut down.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/122747--expert-viaducts-should-be-torn-down

I'm seriously considering bitch slapping Gregor in the face the next time I see him.

[nns]

Affordable housing, with the close proximity to the downtown core? :fulloffuck:

[Soundy]

City to reduce speed limit on accident-prone Hastings (http://www.vancouversun.com/City+reduce+speed+limit+accident+prone+Hastings/5164714/story.html)

Sigh, slowing one of the city's busiest roads to a crawl.

It's interesting that the police have opposed the reduction of speed in that section. I'm really annoyed by this; several of my coworkers also oppose it...
WTF is the difference? I can't even remember the last time I drove that stretch that I got anywhere CLOSE to 30km/h, between the other traffic, the buses, the construction, and junkies, and the out-of-sync traffic lights.

[Gt-R R34]

I'm curious what happens when a normal everyday citzens gets "stopped" becuase of speeding over 30kmph an hour at night BY going 50KMPH which is technically excessive speeding..

Let me see...lets stop in a drug and bum infested part of the road where if I stop, i should be getting about 10-15ppl asking for money.

Sure, A cop's going to be there but what happens if you drink, over the 0.08. AND you're stuck there till someone picks you up.

Lets stand with everyone else, and you're dressed in a suit.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

[Soundy]

Simon Fraser University Urban Studies professor Anthony Perl feels the viaducts are a relic of Vancouver's aborted highway's system.
He tells the Globe and Mail newspaper they are a no man's land and the space they take up could be better used for affordable housing.
This guy must be from Planet Gregor. These people seem to really suck at math. Let me get this straight: you want to put AFFORDABLE housing, on some of the HIGHEST-PRICED real estate IN ALL OF CANADA???

[Soundy]

I'm curious what happens when a normal everyday citzens gets "stopped" becuase of speeding over 30kmph an hour at night BY going 50KMPH which is technically excessive speeding...

50-30=20... :facepalm:

[hk20000]

they should increase the speed limit to 80km/h. Let them die a painless death.

[dlo]

Already is a safe injection site...
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i know.. i guess i should had said it was a good idea

[Bonjour43MA]

This hippie mayor must go - he's destroying our city and de-modernizing it back to the stone age.

How do we get him out of office?

[Qmx323]

this is just silly

[StylinRed]

Future of viaducts goes to public consultation process (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Future+viaducts+goes+public+consultation+process/5164729/story.html)

Spending half a million dollars to get someone to think about it is not bothering?

Anyways there should be a minimum speed limit, like 120, so we can be sure they don't make it.


they agreed to the research before the public outcry the outcry is occurring right now


i think its a retarded idea as well; but obviously that developer must be giving some serious "incentives"/promises for them to consider it

[EvoFire]

50km/h, 30km/h, not like it makes much a difference anyways, at least not west of Main Street. Good luck even hitting 30km/h between Main and Granville on Hastings. East of Main Street on the other hand, if they make that 30km/h, then that's stupid.

And the story about the viaducts? Better not take them down. I use them at least 2-3 times everyweek.

[gars]

do you know how much fencing actually costs? a shit load

it makes more sense to lower the speed limits just for that little stretch of road

you guys complaining sound like girls that just want to bitch about everything

+1

This is just a short stretch of road. Honestly - I usually slow down when I drive through there anyways. I know everybody talks big about darwin, natural selection and all that BS, but I don't know about you guys, I don't want to actually be the guy who runs down and kills one of those people in the DTES - even if it wasn't my fault.

[FOREVER]

Nobody ever listens to speed limits :fullofwin:

[RiceFarmer]

This is retarded, the solution should be raising the fine for jaywalking. The majority of the time, It's not the drivers fault for some random person thinking its OK to run across the road out of no where. This new speed limit is just as stupid as the bike lanes.

[TRDood]

Build bike lanes on the viaduct and take the whole fucking viaduct down?

That doesn't make any sense.
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[impactX]

Nobody ever listens to speed limits :fullofwin:

You can't hear it? Me neither.

[Ronin]

Meh.

I try to stay out of the DTES anyways.

[1exotic]

0:24 - 0:36

‪The diplomatic car that ran over 20 people in cairo (28th-Jan-2011)‬‏ - YouTube

[Ronin]

^ people need to learn not to fuck with cars when they're pedestrians. If that's a diplomatic car, then I'm sure it's driven by their security, who are probably told to protect their employer ahead of anyone else's safety. If they were secret service and Obama was in that car, that thing would be spraying gatling gun rounds in all directions first.

Car stopped, people started gathering around it, whoever's inside has to fear for their safety.

Yes, it sucks for the people that were run over down the street that were protesting and not taking any action against the van but at the same time, when you go outside in a situation like the one in Egypt at that time, any danger that you get into is your own damned fault.

[Death2Theft]

With how bad the viaducts are coming out of downtown... they may as well tear it down.

[Lomac]

I give seven more years before a congestion charge is put in place.
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[Jayhall]

the thing about that van is it looks like he had a clear path but wen out of his way to hit people. THATS fucked.

As for Hastings, doesnt the city have the old barriers with the 10 foot high chain link fence kicking around somewhere from when we used to host the Molson Indy?? Line the road with that at least we the drivers would know where to expect them

[lol]

This is retarded, the solution should be raising the fine for jaywalking. The majority of the time, It's not the drivers fault for some random person thinking its OK to run across the road out of no where. This new speed limit is just as stupid as the bike lanes.

do u think a junky will pay a jay walking ticket? cops dont even bother handing them out because its a complete waste of time.

and that article posting is a little misleading saying that hastings section is most dangerous in city. when pedestrians get hit in this area its not an accident. its because the "pedestrian" is higher than the cost of living and because of this they run across the road thinking they are invincible. how come ppl on robson aren't getting ran over? oh ya cuz they cross the road properly like a sober person.

reducing the speed limit does what? allowed junkies to dodge cars better. makes them prob walk even slower across the street. allows them also not to be severely injured, but just sustain minor injuries when getting struck. these are all great things. because they are j walking so much we have to suffer lol.

[RiceIntegraRS]

do u think a junky will pay a jay walking ticket? cops dont even bother handing them out because its a complete waste of time.

and that article posting is a little misleading saying that hastings section is most dangerous in city. when pedestrians get hit in this area its not an accident. its because the "pedestrian" is higher than the cost of living and because of this they run across the road thinking they are invincible. how come ppl on robson aren't getting ran over? oh ya cuz they cross the road properly like a sober person.

Thats how vancouver does it. Instead of getting to the root of the problem, they make it someone elses
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[fishCak3s]

One night I was going east on Hastings out of DT. I was doing the speed limit while there were at least 5-10 bums jaywalking across the street as I was approaching the intersection of Main n Hastings.

All of a sudden a jaywalking bum came running towards my car and did a Jet Li jump kick, trying to kick my car because I didn't slow down and let them through; the light was green. I had to steer my car into uncoming traffic to avoid him.

The mayor should take a ride through that area on his bike at night

[Gumby]

The mayor should take a ride through that area on his bike at night
:lol good idea!

[jmvdesign]

when is the next election? Gregor has got to go

[PavelGTR]

One night I was going east on Hastings out of DT. I was doing the speed limit while there were at least 5-10 bums jaywalking across the street as I was approaching the intersection of Main n Hastings.

All of a sudden a jaywalking bum came running towards my car and did a Jet Li jump kick, trying to kick my car because I didn't slow down and let them through; the light was green. I had to steer my car into uncoming traffic to avoid him.

You should have turned this on full and ran them all over

‪Push that Nigga Push That Hoe - Lil Jon feat. Eastside Boyz‬‏ - YouTube

[7seven]

when is the next election? Gregor has got to go

November 19, 2011

[tiger_handheld]

my plan to deal with junkies/homeless if i was premier...

- physical test all homeless/junkies
- get them to do odd jobs around the city/province for min wage
- if they do not want to work, they will be cut off from social services
- cover shortfall from rent / food / clothing by means of social assistance
- to address jay walking in DTES: Junkies who are injured as a result of jaywalking will not receive medical treatment. simple as that. it will cost 1-2 lives but the example will be made for the greater good.

that is the coles notes version.

off topic but needed: get the cyclist to pay for using the roads!! A license fee of $120/yr + permits for bikes. riders can be ticketed just like drivers..

[carisear]

Tiger has my vote!

[Stealthy]

Gregor has such a hard-on for motorists, bike lanes and encouraging jaywalking?

:seriously:

[rexsomnii]

make city speed limit to 80 and have less red lights. increase hwy speed limit to 160 :D

jaywalkers would be too scared to cross.

[Matlock]

OMFG
I was just coming from downtown, driving along pender and at the intersection with main st some fucking drugger all dressed in white is just thug walking along when it's my green light. Goddamn twig has the balls to stop infront of my bumper and stare me down, the first thing I was thinking is if he tries anything I have all of my tools in my back seat. My claw hammer ready to cleave his face in half and my pliers to pull the rest of him apart.

Can we just kill them, please? /rant.

Now it has me thinking if he were to pull a gun out, how would I react. Would I run him over or just sit there?

[Soundy]

The mayor should take a ride through that area on his bike at night
Quote of the year, right here.

[Nlkko]

Lower speed more road rage...

[StylinRed]

you guys sound like you think increasing speeds or charging the homeless/addicts/etc would make them stop jaywalking..... are you retarded? they're either high or they're crazy or both you think they even understand what's going on? most of them don't

and most of you bitching probably dont even drive through there and when/if you do go through the area its probably during the rush hour anyways where speeds are slower than 30km/h anyways

[darkfroggy]

Sometimes I wish we were more like China.

Everyone minds their own business, no f****** lay all your problems on someone else bull****.

Vancouver is the better place for sure, but we're being too accomodating.

[StylinRed]

yeah china minds their own business and the govt doesn't lay the problems of one party (not being hit by cars) onto anyone else.... :rolleyes:

:gtfo:

[Death2Theft]

So now if you hit one at 30 they wont die plus they can sue you for more drugs!

[Death2Theft]

I heard the RS beatdown crew is down for a 200 lap 50km cruise up and down hastings before this goes in effect!

[MindBomber]

my plan to deal with junkies/homeless if i was premier...


-Physical test all homeless/junkies


A large portion of those tested are suffering from some level of mental or physical limitation severely limiting suitable positions, which is often what drove them to the street. Furthermore, those with severe addictions to drugs and alcohol would likely not be capable of functioning in any work place setting without receiving in depth treatment.

- Get them to do odd jobs around the city/province for minimum wage

Unfortunately, we do not live in a society where randomly forcing people do do a job chosen for them by a government administrator is legal.

- if they do not want to work, they will be cut off from social services

See above, the great majority would choose to work but cannot, those who would chose not to work are likely mentally impaired by addiction.

- cover shortfall from rent / food / clothing by means of social assistance


See above, they can't work, so the short fall would be 100%.

- to address jay walking in DTES: Junkies who are injured as a result of jaywalking will not receive medical treatment. simple as that. it will cost 1-2 lives but the example will be made for the greater good.

This statement is so ignorant and appalling that it's barely worth responding to. Beyond the obvious immorality of allowing people to die in our streets after being struck by a vehicle, you could never define legally who is a junkie and under what circumstances medical care should be denied.

off topic but needed: get the cyclist to pay for using the roads!! A license fee of $120/yr + permits for bikes. riders can be ticketed just like drivers..


Cyclists can be ticketed.
Why would a licence for a bicycle require a fee, when there's no fee for a DL. Who exactly would be required to obtain a license, a five year old child riding a bike in a cul-de-sec is legally no different than a commuter cyclist.

:stfu:

None of what you stated made any sense whatsoever. There are many countries around the world who abandon the least fortunate members of society to die, emigrate if you find that system appealing.

[El Bastardo]

Can't we just intercept a shipment of heroin coming in from Asia, poison it, and dig a big hole in a few weeks?

[hillmar]

What they need to do is stop screwing around and fix the problem. Lock those addicts up for as long it takes for them to quit their addiction, ignoring there cries of suffering during the process. When they get out put them in a job Placement program some where up north where there are no access to any drugs whatsoever. problems solved and we get a person that can contribute to society then a walking zombie.
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[tiger_handheld]

A large portion of those tested are suffering from some level of mental or physical limitation severely limiting suitable positions, which is often what drove them to the street. Furthermore, those with severe addictions to drugs and alcohol would likely not be capable of functioning in any work place setting without receiving in depth treatment.



Unfortunately, we do not live in a society where randomly forcing people do do a job chosen for them by a government administrator is legal.



See above, the great majority would choose to work but cannot, those who would chose not to work are likely mentally impaired by addiction.



See above, they can't work, so the short fall would be 100%.



This statement is so ignorant and appalling that it's barely worth responding to. Beyond the obvious immorality of allowing people to die in our streets after being struck by a vehicle, you could never define legally who is a junkie and under what circumstances medical care should be denied.



Cyclists can be ticketed.
Why would a licence for a bicycle require a fee, when there's no fee for a DL. Who exactly would be required to obtain a license, a five year old child riding a bike in a cul-de-sec is legally no different than a commuter cyclist.

:stfu:

None of what you stated made any sense whatsoever. There are many countries around the world who abandon the least fortunate members of society to die, emigrate if you find that system appealing.

I like to reply, but i have to head out soon...will reply when I'm back ..
In the mean time, what would you do to fix the problem?

[Mr.C]

Now it has me thinking if he were to pull a gun out, how would I react. Would I run him over or just sit there?

Totally run him over. That's why everyone should get cameras installed in the car.

When I used to drive through there, I drove at 30 anyway. Driving a work vehicle and running over someone would surely cost me my job. I would like to avoid that.

But I agree, Robertson is insane. And people who voted Sullivan out are getting what they deserve.

[Noizz]

It's been posted before, a UBC student lives on the street for 31 days. Watch and find out what happens. Its a good watch.

But for those who haven't seen this 7 part documentary, I'll leave this here:

‪Streets Of Plenty - 1 of 7 - Vancouver Homeless Doc‬‏ - YouTube

[MindBomber]

I like to reply, but i have to head out soon...will reply when I'm back ..
In the mean time, what would you do to fix the problem?

The reason the DTES has become such a permanent hole of drug abuse, homelessness and general misery is that the system designed to support those who need help instead encourages the problem to continue. Why do I say that, because addicts spend their social assistance checks within an hour of receiving it on drugs and if I were a strung out addict I would too.

What's needed is a comprehensive system of support that provides addicts with the social services they need to improve their lives.

Begin by taking people off the streets at night.
Set-up a government managed building that provides those receiving services with small private room, nothing special, just enough room for a bed and dresser. Shared wash rooms, living spaces and a kitchen would be provided also. People don't want to be on the street, it's the most miserable experience imaginable so give them a real way to escape that existence.

Get them healthy.
Provide those staying in the building with 24 hour access to healthy and nutritional food, as well as the ability to speak to a nurse daily.

Kick the drugs.
Although drug use isn't prohibited in the building, encourage the residents to get off drugs at every opportunity. Provide daily group meetings, make an addictions specialist available on-site and offer incentives for clean drug tests.

There's a catch to all this though, you can stay in the program in your private room for up to one year if you prove each month that you've been attempting to improve your life.

[gars]

MindBomber - I wholeheartedly agree with your statements and I know that those very proactive approches will work.

BUT - where is the money going to come from? Programs like those costs a lot of money, and I can tell you right now - that there are plenty of people who would rather see that money be spent bettering our schools, etc.

[MindBomber]

MindBomber - I wholeheartedly agree with your statements and I know that those very proactive approches will work.

BUT - where is the money going to come from? Programs like those costs a lot of money, and I can tell you right now - that there are plenty of people who would rather see that money be spent bettering our schools, etc.

I wish I could say that my idea would cost tax payers xxxx per month and it would be financed by re-directing funds from xxxx program that currently provides the same services inefficiently. I obviously can't though.

My take is that our system is currently providing welfare checks that do nothing but support drug dealers, check cashing companies and slum lords. Our tax dollars are actually financing and worsening the problem we're trying solve. Re-direct the funds being used now to support those elements to funding the program, further make small cuts to policing as there would hopefully be a reduced need. The balance would need to be paid for by raising revenue and there's no popular way to do that, I believe the citizens of Vancouver would accept that if they were to see real progress though.

[El Bastardo]

Also, these people have to WANT to be helped. With the amount of social support Canada has, you almost have to be going out of your way to live like a filthy animal.

[quasi]

The reason the DTES has become such a permanent hole of drug abuse, homelessness and general misery is that the system designed to support those who need help instead encourages the problem to continue. Why do I say that, because addicts spend their social assistance checks within an hour of receiving it on drugs and if I were a strung out addict I would too.

What's needed is a comprehensive system of support that provides addicts with the social services they need to improve their lives.

Begin by taking people off the streets at night.
Set-up a government managed building that provides those receiving services with small private room, nothing special, just enough room for a bed and dresser. Shared wash rooms, living spaces and a kitchen would be provided also. People don't want to be on the street, it's the most miserable experience imaginable so give them a real way to escape that existence.

Get them healthy.
Provide those staying in the building with 24 hour access to healthy and nutritional food, as well as the ability to speak to a nurse daily.

Kick the drugs.
Although drug use isn't prohibited in the building, encourage the residents to get off drugs at every opportunity. Provide daily group meetings, make an addictions specialist available on-site and offer incentives for clean drug tests.

There's a catch to all this though, you can stay in the program in your private room for up to one year if you prove each month that you've been attempting to improve your life.

Good in theory but unfortunatley most drug users and drunks don't want to be clean.

[MindBomber]

Good in theory but unfortunatley most drug users and drunks don't want to be clean.

That's a sterotype forged from the difficulty of overcoming addiction.
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[quasi]

That's a sterotype forged from the difficulty of overcoming addiction.
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Maybe, but it's been my personal experience from the only two addicts I've personally known very well. Getting high is more important then getting clean, family and health until they're ready to do so.

Offering care isn't enough, most people either wouldn't go or would leave shortly after arriving. Of course overcoming the addicition is the hugeset hurdle but you'll never jump that one until they hit bottom and decide they want to quit, period.

Maybe you have a bunch more experience with addicts and what they want and don't want I don't know but I'm speaking from what I've witnessed with my own two eyes and not some forged stereotype.

[Ronin]

Also, these people have to WANT to be helped.

I've spent a little time at the soup kitchens and Union Gospel Mission and from what the people at those places tell me, it's NOT hard to get them to take you in for awhile. There's usually room and if not, the waiting list isn't terrible. I've met some people who lived there, got clean and got themselves pointed in the right direction with decent jobs and a temporary place to live.

But there are conditions and lots of people decide that a life on the street doing what they're doing is the better call for some reason.

[MindBomber]

Maybe, but it's been my personal experience from the only two addicts I've personally known very well. Getting high is more important then getting clean, family and health until they're ready to do so.

Offering care isn't enough, most people either wouldn't go or would leave shortly after arriving. Of course overcoming the addicition is the hugeset hurdle but you'll never jump that one until they hit bottom and decide they want to quit, period.

Maybe you have a bunch more experience with addicts and what they want and don't want I don't know but I'm speaking from what I've witnessed with my own two eyes and not some forged stereotype.

I totally agree, the addicts I've dealt with in my life have been unwilling to seek any level of help until the most severe repercussions force them into it. It's far more complex than that though.

A person with a severe addictions is often battling a feeling of hopelessness, intimidated by the difficulty of getting clean. Having to admit to your family and friends that you have a problem, your employer, removing yourself from your present situation and checking into rehab; that's potentially the biggest and most exposing action any person could ever take. Not to mention the mental changes fuelled by addiction that take place within ones mind.

I would argue however, that a person could sink no lower than the streets of the dtes; they've hit rock bottom and have little or no hope of rising from it. Give them hope, give them an exit and the support they need and I think we'd all be surprised.

Perhaps I'm just an optimist, diluted by my perceptions and novel ideas, but I prefer to have faith that given help people can change.

[Nlkko]

That's a sterotype forged from the difficulty of overcoming addiction.
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That is not a stereotype. Get involved more instead of stay home and read fictions.

Obviously people can change but some take a whole lot more effort (near impossible) to get them to change than others. I'm currently volunteer for a charity and we get homeless, unfortunate, mental health and even drug addicts get up on their feet. We can only help the people who are determined to stay off the street. The old guy you see selling flowers along Expo Blvd is one of our clients.

From my personal experience, it is extremely hard to deal with severe drug addicts and you need massive funding to get them to change. And even with all the money, it's really really hard as it's very easy to go back to the old way if you are not strong-willed. What stopping them from going back, really? Smoking crack, and getting high seems like a cool thing here. I can say that for some people, staying on the street, scavenging garbage and getting high is more important than getting off drugs, having a bath, having a haircut, having a home or having a job. They have different standards than you, I and the average Joe.

Dealing with people who has mental issue isn't easy as you speak. Some of them have their own places but need constant consultation with professional psychiatrists. A normal person with minimal knowledge wouldn't be able to interact with them properly for a long time. Have you ever tried dealing with one over a long period of time? I have and it's difficult.

The issue is much complicated than what you think it is. Why you think the governments, not just here but around the world, haven't done anything about it? Even if they have billions laying around, it's hard to set up such structure because of many other factors including all the human rights BS. They can't basically round all the drug addicts into camps like some countries in Asia because well, they'll get human rights activists feet up their asses.

As for the speed limit, it's simply a tree hugging move from the tree hugging hippies at the helm. I have a feeling soon they'll enforce that speed limit around the downtown core. I'm eyeing Davie Street, Robson Street, maybe even Granville Street.

[MindBomber]

That is not a stereotype. Get involved more instead of stay home and read fictions.

I'm native, I'm not creating these ideas based on fiction I watched on youtube, I've seen addiction and it's affects on a personal level.


Obviously people can change but some take a whole lot more effort (near impossible) to get them to change than others. I'm currently volunteer for a charity and we get homeless, unfortunate, mental health and even drug addicts get up on their feet. We can only help the people who are determined to stay off the street. The old guy you see selling flowers along Expo Blvd is one of our clients.

I commend you for volunteering your time, more of us should.


From my personal experience, it is extremely hard to deal with severe drug addicts and you need massive funding to get them to change. And even with all the money, it's really really hard as it's very easy to go back to the old way if you are not strong-willed. What stopping them from going back, really? Smoking crack, and getting high seems like a cool thing here. I can say that for some people, staying on the street, scavenging garbage and getting high is more important than getting off drugs, having a bath, having a haircut, having a home or having a job. They have different standards than you, I and the average Joe.

Your not understanding the reason they have different standards, your just saying they have them. Without addressing the route of the problem you can't solve it. Long term addiction fundamentally changes one's brain, no healthy person enjoys eating garbage with the knowledge they'll die in an alley.



Dealing with people who has mental issue isn't easy as you speak. Some of them have their own places but need constant consultation with professional psychiatrists. A normal person with minimal knowledge wouldn't be able to interact with them properly for a long time. Have you ever tried dealing with one over a long period of time? I have and it's difficult.

I don't think I ever said it was easy to interact with people who have severe mental and developmental issues, but yes, I have spent long periods of time with them. I volunteered at a charity that worked with just such people for over a year, I would continue to do so if I hadn't moved.



The issue is much complicated than what you think it is. Why you think the governments, not just here but around the world, haven't done anything about it? Even if they have billions laying around, it's hard to set up such structure because of many other factors including all the human rights BS. They can't basically round all the drug addicts into camps like some countries in Asia because well, they'll get human rights activists feet up their asses.

A big part of it is a lack of will among politicians, just like Gars pointed out earlier, people would simply rather see their tax dollars go towards schools than battling homelessness and addiction. Not to mention people like Tiger and those who thanked him, who proposed refusing medical care to addicts hit by cars. Elect me Mayor of Vancouver, I'll raise property taxes 0.5% on homes worth $1,000,000+ and direct the revenue towards combating homelessness and revitalizing the dtes. Everyone will call me a hippie (which I am) and I'll be crushed in the next election based on that policy alone.

[MWR34]

i do not see how this will be even enforced. Like come on, their hands are full enough down there as it is. I think busting a rock pusher is more on the agenda over people going 50 in a 30, in the same area.

[Phat_R]

I'm gonna install a train horn on my car and give some of those crackheads a heart attack

‪The Best Of Train Horn Pranks‬‏ - YouTube

[Lyzic]

It's been posted before, a UBC student lives on the street for 31 days. Watch and find out what happens. Its a good watch.

But for those who haven't seen this 7 part documentary, I'll leave this here:

‪Streets Of Plenty - 1 of 7 - Vancouver Homeless Doc‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6-1oo-b3Ds)

look @ 3:30. the cop friend is the guy who was fired and charged with selling weed - story here (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Former+Vancouver+police+officer+convicted+traffick ing+should+three+four/4881912/story.html)

looks like they both wanted to give the streets a go

[nns]

^Good eye.

[Ronin]

It's been posted before, a UBC student lives on the street for 31 days. Watch and find out what happens. Its a good watch.

But for those who haven't seen this 7 part documentary, I'll leave this here:

‪Streets Of Plenty - 1 of 7 - Vancouver Homeless Doc‬‏ - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6-1oo-b3Ds)

Did that guy just roll around in the fucking mud and jump into a dumpster!?

Gross...

Homeless people cost the city $75,000 a year!?! I don't even think I spend $75,000 a year!

[Noizz]

look @ 3:30. the cop friend is the guy who was fired and charged with selling weed - story here (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Former+Vancouver+police+officer+convicted+traffick ing+should+three+four/4881912/story.html)

looks like they both wanted to give the streets a go


Wow! mind-blown :fulloffuck:

[Splmash]

I just drove down E. Hastings and saw that they're applying the paint on the street. 30km speed limit starts tomorrow. FUUUUU.

[Ronin]

Oh well. Not like I ever have to drive through there.

Just never stop for jaywalking bums.

[1exotic]

30 fucking KM... lol what a joke.

Cops will be too busy dealing with all those low life scumbag motherfuckers... so I doubt they'll care if you're doing 50/60. I'll probably keep it around 70/80.

[seakrait]

I just drove down E. Hastings and saw that they're applying the paint on the street. 30km speed limit starts tomorrow. FUUUUU.

i drive down E. Hastings every morning to get through to work. Eff. I guess I should start taking E. Cordova now. :okay:

[Matlock]

LOL I saw it this morning when driving the gf to work.

WTF, seriously. :seriously:

Just wait and see how much more congested the side streets are going to be.
We need drug addict crossing signs.

http://a3.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/profile01/129/0d1e065a72fe444e94cf27137b1886e4/p.jpg

In Burnaby we just throw all of our homeless people into the incinerator.

[SumAznGuy]

TBH, I cut through that area everyday to pickup the wife from work.
It's not just the drugged out zombies you have to watch for. There are also those asian zombies carrying their bags of grocery. Not like they can cross the street like this in asia, yet they do that when they are shopping in chinatown. :facepalm:

[Splmash]

Fuck. I usually take Hastings or 1st Ave to get to/from gf's condo. And I take Hastings when I drop her off from work or school. Now 1st ave. will probably be more congested too.

[InvisibleSoul]

Having to drive 30kmph for six blocks on a six lane wide street is maddening.

[SumAznGuy]

Having to drive 30kmph for six blocks on a six lane wide street is maddening.

Drove the wife to work this morning. To be driving at 30 km/h at 6:45 am is just nuts. But then again, everyone was still doing 45 km/h according to the electronic speed board they have up just before Hastings st. when heading towards downtown.

[gdoh]

why are they so concerned for the homeless drug addicts who dont contribute to society and just eat up our tax dollars....fuck em

[MG1]

I drove by there twice on Monday and it wasn't bad at all. Mind you, I grew up there, so anytime I go back to the old neighbourhood, I take my time and reminisce. So many people dissing my old stomping grounds. You guys can all go &%#* yourselves. Dickhead outsiders. Anything outside your comfort zone is............. nuff said. I'm gonna stop before I go into rage mode. LOLOLOL

[winson604]

I drive through the area daily to pick up my gf from DT. However, I always bypass as much as cracktown as possible by taking Pender out of DT then 2 blocks east of Main then cut back out to Hastings.

[MG1]

30 mph ends at Jackson, so it's really not that bad. Like Winson, Pender is a good alternative. I like going up Cordova. It's one way. I usually cut across to Clark Drive instead of going off to Powell St. If there's a train, I go up to Hastings to bypass the tracks. Damn ugliest hookers this side of Mt. St Helens along that route, though.

[Death2Theft]

Right they are going to be busy writing tickets to bums with no address for jay walking. Instead of writing speeding tickets to idiots like you, who they know have $.
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30 fucking KM... lol what a joke.

Cops will be too busy dealing with all those low life scumbag motherfuckers... so I doubt they'll care if you're doing 50/60. I'll probably keep it around 70/80.

[k3mps]

drove dt on saturday, my first time with the 30kph limit.
straight to the story..I almost hit a bum crossing the road.
i was stuck behind a bus so i switched lanes, and this fucking bum ran right by me.
I couldn't see him because he was blocked by the bus.
thank goodness i was going like 15kph.

i saw 3 cop cars and the cops were just chilling outside while every cay was going by at like 60

[Soundy]

Having to drive 30kmph for six blocks on a six lane wide street is maddening.

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[MR_BIGGS]

In Burnaby we just throw all of our homeless people into the incinerator.

A few of us have started noticing that more homeless/ghetto/drunk/poor looking people have been hanging out and around north burnaby area.

Hastings and Alpha Street in north burnaby. You can sometimes see them passed out on park benches at Confederation Park. Considering that there is an elementary school there, library and community centre, it's a rising concern.

It was never like this before.

[InvisibleSoul]

http://rlv.zcache.com/suck_it_up_princess_tshirt-p235278987260688973336x_400.jpg

:okay:

[MG1]

A few of us have started noticing that more homeless/ghetto/drunk/poor looking people have been hanging out and around north burnaby area.

Hastings and Alpha Street in north burnaby. You can sometimes see them passed out on park benches at Confederation Park. Considering that there is an elementary school there, library and community centre, it's a rising concern.

It was never like this before.

Next, the hookers. Then you'll know for sure the neighbourhood has gone downhill.

[flagella]

fcking sad law.