[alex.w *//]

so the tsx and other stock markets have been dropping rapidly these few days. Are we going to have another recession?

Anybody getting laid off from work?

[Meowjin]

my hours have been cut from my dayjob, but I havn't noticed because I already work minimum hours due to school. My coworkers on the other hand don't feel too happy (warehouse of a major retailer)

[Neva]

well since we never recovered from the last one I'm going to have to say we're not having another. In fact, by definition some say we're entering a depression. But in reality things aren't nearly bad enough for most to consider these times as a depression.

[taylor192]

so the tsx and other stock markets have been dropping rapidly these few days. Are we going to have another recession?
The first recession never ended, we just spent a lot of future tax dollars to mask a problem that didn't go away, and in fact we made it worse.

[CP.AR]

double dip recession

[will068]

The first recession never ended, we just spent a lot of future tax dollars to mask a problem that didn't go away, and in fact we made it worse.

This.

[Gt-R R34]

The first recession never ended, we just spent a lot of future tax dollars to mask a problem that didn't go away, and in fact we made it worse.

Canada didn't do all that much in that end. Some. not a full boat load like US. I can't stand american politics. They KNOW they are the driving factor in the world economy, but bicker like school children when it comes to something as ooh...lets say as SERIOUS as their position as the #1 power in the world.

No Economy = No Big Dick.

The "first" recession driving factor was a catastrophic singular event. This dive right now is just a continuation of consumer/ppl frustration with government non-or lack of policies to tackle what is important and finally boiled over.

If they acutally did what the EU (some countries are doing.) aka stfu, we're cutting back on XYZ and you ppl are going to take it. They would be in way better shape.

I BELIEVE in can't have your cake and eat it. Need to give and take for them to prosper.

[Mr.C]

What the US needs to do is pull back their military operations, and work on securing their borders.

[MindBomber]

What the US needs to do is pull back their military operations, and work on securing their borders.

What the US needs to do is re-adopt their pre-wwII isolationist policies, and stop trying to buy and force influence around the world so they can tell themselves they're number 1; In reality all they've done is make themselves the most hated country world wide and hopelessly bankrupted themselves.

[shawn79]

i just dropped 5k on thompson creek

[twitchyzero]

i dont think anyone said the recession from 2008 was over
aside from maybe the newspaper.

[taylor192]

Canada didn't do all that much in that end. Some. not a full boat load like US.
Remember to compare the sizes of our boats. We're 1/10th the US, so if they spend $1T, $100B spent here would be about the same. We did spend $50B, so lets not pretend we didn't sink our ship too.

Take a look at the housing bubble busting in Australia despite a strong economy of selling commodities to Asia... this will eventually happen here, and then we'll have to face our own problems.

If they acutally did what the EU (some countries are doing.) aka stfu, we're cutting back on XYZ and you ppl are going to take it. They would be in way better shape.

I actually don't agree with what some of the EU countries are doing. I think they should just go bankrupt and deal with the short term pain, then come back stronger and out of debt.

[Gridlock]

I'm going to use the term "depression" whether its economically warranted or not.

It's been depressing watching obama fuck it up. And here I thought relief was in order after Bush fucked it for 8 years.

12 gd years. Twelve!

[taylor192]

It's been depressing watching obama fuck it up. And here I thought relief was in order after Bush fucked it for 8 years.

12 gd years. Twelve!

The US needs another Clinton, and sadly I think Hillary is the person for the job with Bill calling the shots.

[Death2Theft]

First a black guy than a woman in charge. The signs doomsday is coming?

[shawn79]

First a black guy than a woman in charge. The signs doomsday is coming?


:fuckthatshit:

[ToneCapone]

Took all my stocks out right before it started to drop. Doesn't look like the markets are going to be doing good anytime soon... But something like Taylor192 said, it wasn't good in the first place.

[!Yaminashi]

The first recession never ended, we just spent a lot of future tax dollars to mask a problem that didn't go away, and in fact we made it worse.

And in turn making future life unaffordable for the next generations

[TheNewGirl]

And in turn making future life unaffordable for the next generations

Just like our parents have done to us.

[StylinRed]

again? when did the last one end? ;)

[bloodmack]

Stocks soar after Fed pledges low rates into 2013 (http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/f70471f764144b2fab526d39972d37b3/Article_2011-08-09-Federal%20Reserve/id-fd6ff257f4234539a6a55bcc5653e86a)
band aid fix.. wonder what other stupid things they will do.

[InvisibleSoul]

Is this going to lower house prices? I want to upgrade from my apartment, but can't afford the retarded prices for a standalone house.

[97ITR]

Is this going to lower house prices? I want to upgrade from my apartment, but can't afford the retarded prices for a standalone house.

doubt it.... It means continued low interest rates and, consequently, elevated housing prices
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[LiquidTurbo]

Is this going to lower house prices? I want to upgrade from my apartment, but can't afford the retarded prices for a standalone house.

What, you, InvisibleSoul, can't get a house for free? :troll:?

[MDMA]

Good time to buy some stocks ?
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[Toeknee]

Ratigan Is Mad As Hell in [Market-Ticker] (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=191863)

[StaxBundlez]

lol wut?

[InvisibleSoul]

What, you, InvisibleSoul, can't get a house for free? :troll:?
I couldn't find enough coupons. :(

[gdoh]

What the US needs to do is re-adopt their pre-wwII isolationist policies, and stop trying to buy and force influence around the world so they can tell themselves they're number 1; In reality all they've done is make themselves the most hated country world wide and hopelessly bankrupted themselves.

this and they need to start taxing the rich and wealthy

[bengy]

What the US needs to do is re-adopt their pre-wwII isolationist policies, and stop trying to buy and force influence around the world so they can tell themselves they're number 1; In reality all they've done is make themselves the most hated country world wide and hopelessly bankrupted themselves.

Unfortunately, America is too addicted to cheap, disposable goods, made by 3rd world workers.

[strykn]

Good time to buy some stocks ?
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If you look at the prices across the board, there are sooo many bargains right now but no one knows if this is the bottom thus the risk is extremely high, wait for a sustained rally to buy

[hypercube]

55 year old Homeless Man carries 2 Masters Degrees

[Meowjin]

you'd think he would be smarter with a masters...

[taylor192]

you'd think he would be smarter with a masters...

Goes to show how worthless an education is today. You can do an entirely course work Masters or MBA, so really its just more schooling for more money to pigeon hole yourself into fewer job opportunities.

[Glove]

^ agree 100%

school is a fuckin joke

[gdoh]

its all about networking

[Liquid_o2]

^ agree 100%

school is a fuckin joke

Depends what you take.

If it's a degree towards a professional field then I strongly disagree.

[Great68]

Depends what you take.

If it's a degree towards a professional field then I strongly disagree.

No doubt. You can't become a doctor or PEng with just a high school diploma.

[Glove]

how about when you see dozens of people with bachelors and masters degree's working at call centers?

there just simply arent that many jobs available for high education fields,

your better off going into a trade imo

[Meowjin]

how about when you see dozens of people with bachelors and masters degree's working at call centers?

there just simply arent that many jobs available for high education fields,

your better off going into a trade imo

the states just fucking blow. I was in lynnwood the other day and there were rows of strip malls just deserted.

[Meowjin]

Goes to show how worthless an education is today. You can do an entirely course work Masters or MBA, so really its just more schooling for more money to pigeon hole yourself into fewer job opportunities.

Wasn't my point. He really couldn't get a job anywhere in the world with half the degrees he has? And from what it seemed like, he had these degrees from like 20 years ago. sonunds like poor time/money management.

[Great68]

Education is useful if it's relevant to the field of work.

Too many people choose a post secondary field of study without realizing what they actually want to DO when they graduate.
I fell victim to this problem a little bit my first round of post sec, but was able to find a relevant job. Then when I went back again in an entirely new field I knew exactly where I wanted to work and practically had the job lined up 1/2 way through my school term.

Do you think that trades jobs will be plentiful forever??? There's a point where trades will be saturated too. I think we're already hitting that point.

[Teh Doucher]

Education is useful if it's relevant to the field of work.

Too many people choose a post secondary field of study without realizing what they actually want to DO when they graduate.

Do you think that trades jobs will be plentiful forever??? There's a point where trades will be saturated too. I think we're already hitting that point.

ya, saturated with complete idiots. an actual GOOD trades worker will have a job for life.

[iEatClams]

this and they need to start taxing the rich and wealthy

Cut spending on stupid programs and only spend on programs that provide better long term positive returns (ie. Education)

Warren Buffett today:



Billionaire investor Warren Buffett is calling on his "mega-rich" friends to pay more in taxes, saying they've been protected too long from the government.

"My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress," Buffett wrote in an op-ed piece in the New York Times. "It's time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice."

Buffett said investment managers like himself can classify their income as carried interest, meaning they only pay a 15 per cent tax rate.

"These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places," he wrote.

He said the mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 per cent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. But he said the middle class pay somewhere in between 15 per cent and 25 per cent and also pay heavy payroll taxes.

Buffett said tax rates should be raised for those making more than $1 million and an additional increase for those who make $10 million or more.

"Most wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering," Buffett said.




Warren Buffet calls on 'mega-rich' to pay more taxes - Business - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2011/08/15/warren-buffett.html)

[iEatClams]

heres the actual new york times article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1&hp





OUR leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched.

While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.

These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places.

Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.

If you make money with money, as some of my super-rich friends do, your percentage may be a bit lower than mine. But if you earn money from a job, your percentage will surely exceed mine — most likely by a lot.

To understand why, you need to examine the sources of government revenue. Last year about 80 percent of these revenues came from personal income taxes and payroll taxes. The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.

Back in the 1980s and 1990s, tax rates for the rich were far higher, and my percentage rate was in the middle of the pack. According to a theory I sometimes hear, I should have thrown a fit and refused to invest because of the elevated tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

I didn’t refuse, nor did others. I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone — not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 — shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain. People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off. And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation.

Since 1992, the I.R.S. has compiled data from the returns of the 400 Americans reporting the largest income. In 1992, the top 400 had aggregate taxable income of $16.9 billion and paid federal taxes of 29.2 percent on that sum. In 2008, the aggregate income of the highest 400 had soared to $90.9 billion — a staggering $227.4 million on average — but the rate paid had fallen to 21.5 percent.

The taxes I refer to here include only federal income tax, but you can be sure that any payroll tax for the 400 was inconsequential compared to income. In fact, 88 of the 400 in 2008 reported no wages at all, though every one of them reported capital gains. Some of my brethren may shun work but they all like to invest. (I can relate to that.)

I know well many of the mega-rich and, by and large, they are very decent people. They love America and appreciate the opportunity this country has given them. Many have joined the Giving Pledge, promising to give most of their wealth to philanthropy. Most wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering.

Twelve members of Congress will soon take on the crucial job of rearranging our country’s finances. They’ve been instructed to devise a plan that reduces the 10-year deficit by at least $1.5 trillion. It’s vital, however, that they achieve far more than that. Americans are rapidly losing faith in the ability of Congress to deal with our country’s fiscal problems. Only action that is immediate, real and very substantial will prevent that doubt from morphing into hopelessness. That feeling can create its own reality.

Job one for the 12 is to pare down some future promises that even a rich America can’t fulfill. Big money must be saved here. The 12 should then turn to the issue of revenues. I would leave rates for 99.7 percent of taxpayers unchanged and continue the current 2-percentage-point reduction in the employee contribution to the payroll tax. This cut helps the poor and the middle class, who need every break they can get.

But for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate.

My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.


Warren E. Buffett is the chairman and chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway.

[death_blossom]

how about when you see dozens of people with bachelors and masters degree's working at call centers?

there just simply arent that many jobs available for high education fields,

your better off going into a trade imo

Education is useful if it's relevant to the field of work.

Too many people choose a post secondary field of study without realizing what they actually want to DO when they graduate.
I fell victim to this problem a little bit my first round of post sec, but was able to find a relevant job. Then when I went back again in an entirely new field I knew exactly where I wanted to work and practically had the job lined up 1/2 way through my school term.


I think great68 pretty much hit the nail on the head with that observation. those University graduates you see in call centres often don't have much ambition or just coasted through University without thinking of what they were going to do with themselves and their lives once they graduate. if they had a clear idea while in post-secondary, they would have definitely spoken to a counselor or taken courses that would aid them in their desired career/educational paths.

this leads into trades. people say training in trades get you a job, because you know exactly what you want to do. you go to school and you are taught the skill sets to do that job so you are ready when you jump into the work force. granted, you still need some drive and ambition (not to mention the right aptitude towards that trade) to land yourself a decent job in that field.

[Teh Doucher]

College Conspiracy - YouTube

long watch, but worth it. its so true. and no im not some conspiracy theorist.

[AutozamAZ-3]

College Conspiracy - YouTube (http://youtu.be/VpZtX32sKVE)

long watch, but worth it. its so true. and no im not some conspiracy theorist.

:seriously:
wtf is this shit. you don't find out until last 60 seconds that its an ad for gold and silver stocks. fuck you. i want my 1 hour back.

[goo3]

Wasn't my point. He really couldn't get a job anywhere in the world with half the degrees he has? And from what it seemed like, he had these degrees from like 20 years ago. sonunds like poor time/money management.

You specialize in a certain area and you're caught with your pants down when the economy moves onto something else. It happens to many ppl who are older.

As for money mgmt, you watch the vid? He explains where his money went.