[RacePace]

The Chinese media has reported on an extraordinary account of a mother bear saving her cub from a life of torture by strangling it and then killing itself.

The bears were kept in a farm located in a remote area in the North-West of China. The bears on the farm had their gall bladders milked daily for 'bear bile,' which is used as a remedy in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM).

It was reported that the bears are kept in tiny cages known as 'crush cages', as the bears have no room to manoeuvre and are literally crushed.

The bile is harvested by making a permanent hole or fistula in the bears' abdomen and gall bladder.

As the hole is never closed, the animals are suspect to various infections and diseases including tumours, cancers and death from peritonitis.

The bears are fitted with an iron vest, as they often try to kill themselves by hitting their stomach as they are unable to bear the pain.

A person who was on the farm in place of a friend witnessed the procedures and told Reminbao.com that they were inhumane.

The witness also claimed that a mother bear broke out its cage when it heard its cub howl in fear before a worker punctured its stomach to milk the bile.

The workers ran away in fear when they saw the mother bear rushing to its cub's side.

Unable to free the cub from its restraints, the mother hugged the cub and eventually strangled it.

It then dropped the cub and ran head-first into a wall, killing itself.

Many TCM practitioners have denounced the use of bear bile in their treatment as there are cheaper herbs and synthetics that can be used in its place.

Bear bile is traditionally used to remove 'heat' from the body as well as treat high fever, liver ailments and sore eyes.

Mother bear kills cub and then itself (http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Asia/Story/A1Story20110805-292947.html)

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[SB7]

Would be nice if the people who did this had the same
Procedures used on them instead
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[twitchyzero]

let's see how the Chinese like it when we milk panda gall bladders

:troll:

[Nvasion]

:( so sad

[Ch28]

fucking mainlanders

[shenmecar]

I knew I shouldn't have clicked into this......

=(

[GabAlmighty]

Sometimes, there are people who deserve to die.

[LSF22]

Seems there's a new thread about some fucked up thing from China almost everyday now...

[AWDTurboLuvr]

WTF...so much rage right now...

[S1 S2]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
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[muteki]

-_-
I wished we could do that to people instead sometimes.

[XplicitLuder]

^ this....cant fkin believe it

[Greenstoner]

feels sad man

[iEatClams]

As long as there is a demand for it, this will happen. . . .
it's like shark fin soup. . . .

[StylinRed]

yeah that sounds like legit news

[MindBomber]

it's not that much worse than the things that happen on some north american factory farms in reality, humans torturing our fellow animals to serve our selfish desires isn't unique to china..

[murd0c]

It's things like this that makes me hate the human race...

[s300ae]

Almost as bad as rangers killing bears here because some fuken morons decided to live in bear coutry.
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[skyxx]

As long as there is a demand for it, this will happen. . . .
it's like shark fin soup. . . .

There will be no more Shark Fin soup in 3 years. ;)

[ShadowBun]

It's things like this that makes me hate the human race...

QFT

[Hondaracer]

it's not that much worse than the things that happen on some north american factory farms in reality, humans torturing our fellow animals to serve our selfish desires isn't unique to china..

lol are you kidding me? even a cow gets to stand up, and cows, chickens etc. know nothing else than to grow up and live in farms meant to produce food

to catch a wild bear and cubs and stick them in cages where they cant turn around to milk bile from an open wound in their stomach?

even the most heinous north american farming acts dont compare to shit like this

just as gross as the shark fin shit

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

Chinese.. they have no moral value what so ever..

[Teriyaki]

I hate it when shit like this happens. Why are we so cruel.

[124Y]

Sigh. This is so sad :(

[LiquidTurbo]

lol are you kidding me? even a cow gets to stand up, and cows, chickens etc. know nothing else than to grow up and live in farms meant to produce food

to catch a wild bear and cubs and stick them in cages where they cant turn around to milk bile from an open wound in their stomach?

even the most heinous north american farming acts dont compare to shit like this

just as gross as the shark fin shit

It's all the same shit.

Undercover Video Shows Abuse at Iowa Pig Farm - YouTube

But this bear shit disturbs me. Wish I didn't read this fucking story. :okay:

[white_guilt]

What happened to you China, you used to be cool.

[AlphaKappa]

if i ever get to visit that place in china..

http://www.google.ca/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.glogster.com/media/4/17/75/17/17751755.jpg&sa=X&ei=45JETuL_CLLPiALxtezSAQ&ved=0CAoQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFtLHt3nsMNBPi3NqOWX13S_oZW_A

[rawr]

These are the reasons why people loathe mainlanders.

[Jobo]

"unable to BEAR the pain" :troll:

[Vansterdam]

so does this bear bile shit actually work?

i remember my parents trying this stuff out for some sort of sickness/cure/remedy along time ago

they bought it from some chinese herbal medicine store in chinatown

[LiquidTurbo]

so does this bear bile shit actually work?

i remember my parents trying this stuff out for some sort of sickness/cure/remedy along time ago

they bought it from some chinese herbal medicine store in chinatown

Ask your parents, and then show them this article..:troll:

[LP700-4]

I wish the bear bit the worker's arm or leg off first, see how they handle pain for the rest of their life.......

Edit: 500th Post Congratulate me RS! :fuckyea:

[MG1]

I wish the bear bit the worker's arm or leg off first, see how they handle pain for the rest of their life.......

Edit: 500th Post Congratulate me RS! :fuckyea:

Now let's see how long you can keep it at 500....... If you can keep it for 6 months, I will congratulate you with a "thanks."

If you don't last for a day, all of RS will fail you.


Just kidding........ congratulations.

[bloodmack]

Poor bear.. :(

it seems like the middle east is the only place where they don't torture animals cause they all worship them :lol

[vafanculo]

Chinese.. they have no moral value what so ever..

Ofcourse they do. Money.
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[CP.AR]

inb4 hyde

[LP700-4]

Whoa WTF i found the secret land of Member's Journals :fullofwin:

I thought you needed to be a member for a year?

[LiquidTurbo]

I wish the bear bit the worker's arm or leg off first, see how they handle pain for the rest of their life.......

Edit: 500th Post Congratulate me RS! :fuckyea:

Whoa WTF i found the secret land of Member's Journals :fullofwin:

I thought you needed to be a member for a year?

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[noventa]

sounds like a bunch of bs

[donjalapeno]

at least they found this farm...

fuckin bastards, torturing animals for medicine that isn't even known to cure sickness....just because its "traditional". Now i know Animal cruelty is all over the world but it seems like china is getting caught with it far more than other countries, which only means theirs more of it in china than anywhere else. I don't understand why WSPA isn't more harsh on the Asian countries. All in all, i have no faith in the human race anymore.

[wreck]

shark fin soup.. bear gall bladders..

third world.

[Culverin]

so does this bear bile shit actually work?

i remember my parents trying this stuff out for some sort of sickness/cure/remedy along time ago

they bought it from some chinese herbal medicine store in chinatown


Hellllsss no.

"yeet hei" and "leung" (hot air and cold) are just a bunch of bullshit Traditional Chinese Medicine bullshit. If it was real, they would already be able to test for it. Think scientology and the e-meter, but this time, it's not a religion, it's a whole people's collective disbelief. There's a reason they don't treat patients in a hospital with TCM, it doesn't work.

[Ronin]

While Chinese people do a lot of fucked up shit, animal cruelty isn't unique to China. I mean, do you think the chicken and beef that you buy at the supermarket is from cows and chickens that were raised in 5-star hotels?

Although...yes, I get that those animals are raised for food while bear gall bladder is just another silly Chinese thing made up on a dare by some ancient Chinese guy that somehow became a thing.

[asahai69]

gg china

[dignatas]

sometimes I just hate being chinese. All these news about suicides and cruelty in every shape and form. Especially fake knock offs.. (ok maybe not, just hate on mandarin mainlanders)

[elwell]

yeah traditional chinese medicine never really work, they only made me even more sick

[PB10]

I wish the bear bit the worker's arm or leg off first, see how they handle pain for the rest of their life.......

Edit: 500th Post Congratulate me RS! :fuckyea:

Yea my thoughts exactly, with the mother bear took some of them down with her. I've never heard of animals wanting to commit suicide, it just made me sad reading that part.


P.S gratz on your 500

[haha13]

this is so sad

[Ronin]

sometimes I just hate being chinese. All these news about suicides and cruelty in every shape and form. Especially fake knock offs.. (ok maybe not, just hate on mandarin mainlanders)

I'm going to sound like Hitler for saying shit like this but...here goes.

This is why I'm always happy about being CBC. We get all the good shit about being Chinese like the smarts, good food and support of your family and none of the batshit crazy or bad manners, replaced by Canadian values, perfect English (and Cantonese, actually)...and we're not build like girls. I'll trust in the healing power of...I don't know...science...rather than dried seahorse and bear bile. I don't think the #8 is lucky, nor do I think the #4 is death. I wouldn't take my shoes off and scratch my feet at the mall.

I had people from Hong Kong talk shit in high school, saying I'm a banana or whatever and that I'm not a "real Chinese".

I remember looking that guy in the eyes (he was in one of those Asian "gangs" back in high school) and saying

"You're right. I'm better." :troll:

[Spectre_Cdn]

Almost as bad as rangers killing bears here because some fuken morons decided to live in bear coutry.
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Like the mother bear that was shot two days ago, leaving behind 3 orphaned cubs :(
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[Renxo]

that story sounds so fucking sad geez

[Nlkko]

so does this bear bile shit actually work?

i remember my parents trying this stuff out for some sort of sickness/cure/remedy along time ago

they bought it from some chinese herbal medicine store in chinatown

Yes, they do work. If they hadn't, it's either you had the knock-off version (which is plenty because those things are expensive) or your sickness has nothing to do with consuming it. No, barely anybody use them straight up as medicine for sickness anymore, because they're expensive, not widely available and there's better, cheaper and more widely available alternatives.

I believe these guys still in business because they mostly sell it for other purposes now, for example mixing bear bile with wine and stuffs like that. My dad has people bring these kind of wine over occasionally as gift even though he doesn't drink.

Also, some uneducated comments in here. Animal cruelty isn't unique to any race or any country. You must be living under a cave to believe that. Third world country? Please. Propaganda BS. Maybe if you start cover some NA news, you could realize that some people around you aint that much better than some tching-tchao dude across the oceans. And posting a nuclear explosion picture is just retarded.

[LiquidTurbo]

Anyone in this thread needs to read this.

Bile bear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bile_bear)

[donjalapeno]

from wikipedia

Rescue centers

In China, there are two moon bear rescue centers, one in the Sichuan province and one in the Yunnan province. The rescue centers have already rescued approximately 300 bile bears. The bears are kept at the rescue centers where they are allowed to run around and play. The rescue centers not only rescue bile bears but also rescue some brown bears, dogs, cats, etc. The rescue center was opened by Jill Robinson from England.[citation needed]

7002 bears in farms and china rescue centers have managed to save 300....

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/citizen_cane.gif

[Manic!]

Almost as bad as rangers killing bears here because some fuken morons decided to live in bear coutry.
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And were do you live.

[LiquidTurbo]

Can anyone verify this story. No doubt about the cruelty about the bears, but the killing of cub and the suicide? Sounds over the top.

[Culverin]

Statistically, it was bound to happen. That bear could've been smarter than the average bear boo boo.

[MindBomber]

lol are you kidding me? even a cow gets to stand up, and cows, chickens etc. know nothing else than to grow up and live in farms meant to produce food

to catch a wild bear and cubs and stick them in cages where they cant turn around to milk bile from an open wound in their stomach?

even the most heinous north american farming acts dont compare to shit like this

just as gross as the shark fin shit

There are severe acts of cruelty that occur at many North American farms and slaughter houses, I'm not defending China in any way. but I'm not blind to reality.

Also, live stock are not mindless drowns that are aware of only their need to grow and be eaten, having spent my entire life on farms I know that.

[Culverin]

What's smarter? Beef, lamb or pork?

[b0unce. [?]]

i'm not sure which is worse, the video of the dog trade in china or this story... either way, sad to hear

[phunky.FOB]

my heart just broke a little :(

[asian_XL]

when it happens in China, everything will be magnified 100 times worse.

[rice cooker]

sad story but its def not suicide lol. animals act on instinct, they are not self aware, therefore is not capable of suicide. (at least not bears) probly just went crazy from being in that cage for years.

[MWR34]

Veal?

[twitchyzero]

so much ignorance in this thread. This practice has been around for ages yet people act like it's the end of the world. Animal cruelty like already mentioned isn't specific to race or people..although the Chinese do find that odd animal parts from exotic animals/near extinction species as highly-sought after although it's has little to no medicinal effects but rather for social status.

Do I believe in traditional Chinese medicine? No. But do I believe that it's 100% bogus and all the 'healing effects' are simply placebo? No.

[SpuGen]

6 Ways to Get Anyone to Believe a Clearly Fake News Story | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-get-anyone-to-believe-clearly-fake-news-story/)

[RacePace]

6 Ways to Get Anyone to Believe a Clearly Fake News Story | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-get-anyone-to-believe-clearly-fake-news-story/)

think this is fake?

http://www.asiaone.com/static/multimedia/gallery/110805_bear/images/pic3.jpg

[Razor Ramon HG]

http://www.daemonsmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/yogi-bear-movie-photo-02.jpg

Yogi Bear for those too young to remember.

[AzNightmare]

Since when did they make 3D Yogi Bear??
man, I'm so oldschool...

[hotjoint]

damn that's sad

[s300ae]

And were do you live.

Where* do I live? In south surrey... Not likely place for bears.
I'm talking about that old lady that got mauled by a bear and they shot 4 of them to figure out which one did it.
I'm also talking about the people that move out further into the mountains to have a nice view or sweet cabin while intruding into the bears' territory.
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[Hondaracer]

It's one thing to move to prince George and see bears in your yard, it's another to live in westwood plateau and see a bear going thrOugh your garbage, as soon as a bear is into garbage cans etc in a residential area like that you either move it or you have to kill it
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[Gumby]

I'll trust in the healing power of...I don't know...science...rather than dried seahorse and bear bile.
My only comment on this is that western medicine often treats the symptoms, whereas traditional medicine often treats the underlying problem.

But I trust science a lot more than TCM!

[SpuGen]

think this is fake?

http://www.asiaone.com/static/multimedia/gallery/110805_bear/images/pic3.jpg

I didn't say that the Bears being caged were fake, I'm just pointing it out that the whole "suicide" thing is probably fake.

It's an Animal, it's main instinct is survival. This isn't some Asian drama.

Just saying.

[Phil@rise]

Where* do I live? In south surrey... Not likely place for bears.
I'm talking about that old lady that got mauled by a bear and they shot 4 of them to figure out which one did it.
I'm also talking about the people that move out further into the mountains to have a nice view or sweet cabin while intruding into the bears' territory.
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It used to be a place for bears.

[RacePace]

I didn't say that the Bears being caged were fake, I'm just pointing it out that the whole "suicide" thing is probably fake.

It's an Animal, it's main instinct is survival. This isn't some Asian drama.

Just saying.

When I first read this article, I questioned that too, do animals really have that kind of awareness of self?
That will probably be debated for quite sometime, but why else would a bear ram itself head first into a wall.

[Sid Vicious]

Would be nice if the people who did this had the same
Procedures used on them instead
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sounds like a big steaming pile of hypocrisy.

do you eat poultry? beef?

[bengy]

sounds like a big steaming pile of hypocrisy.

do you eat poultry? beef?

Bears are wild animals.

[neggo]

I didn't say that the Bears being caged were fake, I'm just pointing it out that the whole "suicide" thing is probably fake.

It's an Animal, it's main instinct is survival. This isn't some Asian drama.

Just saying.

If it's main instict is survival, it wouldn't be too surprising to see the bear do that to itself...the bear or animal, after all, may be smart enough to know that living to provide bile for humans is not at all a form of "survival". What do you leave it when you trap it and take away its main instinct, with no options? I think it's quite plausible.

Sure ain't no Asian drama but you're giving some animals less credit than they deserve. Some are even smarter than some people I know :)

[racerman88]

There will be no more Shark Fin soup in 3 years. ;)

I watched a documentary on this and it was just as sad as this original story by the OP. The fishermen would catch the sharks, pull em onto the boats then cut the fins off and throw the sharks back into the water.

[rsx]

Of all the fake shit China makes, why couldn't they fake bear bile. Geez.

[illicitstylz]

I watched a documentary on this and it was just as sad as this original story by the OP. The fishermen would catch the sharks, pull em onto the boats then cut the fins off and throw the sharks back into the water.

previously posted in another thread, a good watch if you guys haven't seen it yet.

part 1 of 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-5Cxe4wIsk

channel link:
Ramsay4President's Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Ramsay4President#p/c/9E857C1912DF0EA2/0/W-5Cxe4wIsk)

[Nsane]

Dont mean to keep going OT with the shark topic, but if you're interested in sharks, you should also watch Sharkwater. It was very informative, but depressing...to the point where I started signing online petitions to stop finning them.

[twitchyzero]

Bears are wild animals.

poor argument.

That's implying domestic animals like cows are some how very different and thus have no feeling of pain.

Your right argument wouldve been a livestock don't get slaughtered in a heinous inhumane way such as draining out gallbladder

oh wait but I doubt they get much better treatment than that.

[t8v6]

:( sad story, just teared u inside

[LiquidTurbo]

previously posted in another thread, a good watch if you guys haven't seen it yet.

part 1 of 4.
Gordon Ramsay Shark Bait Part 1/4 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-5Cxe4wIsk)

channel link:
Ramsay4President's Channel - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/Ramsay4President#p/c/9E857C1912DF0EA2/0/W-5Cxe4wIsk)

Good for Gordon Ramsay, but he's a hippocrit. Case of a 'do as I say, not as I do."

He supports force fed Foie Gras.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Foiegras4.jpg/250px-Foiegras4.jpg

Ethical foie gras v force fed - The F Word - YouTube

The Foie Gras Assembly Line - YouTube

[optiblue]

so sad for the bear :(

In all honesty, if my grandfather didn't push for sharkfin soup for special occasions, I don't think I would ever buy it myself. For the price of one bowl, I could have 1 crab and one lobster!

[4nik8]

livestock is not tortured on a daily basis. cows are retarded and could not survive in the wild well anyways. for the most part animals on farms get treated very well. they are kept as healthy and well fed as possible. they have shit tons of space to eat and fuck. If you really wanted to pick on they way north Americans treat animals. read some stories about how horses get treated. some of them have a pretty brutal life. also big and cows have thick skulls. Ive personal hit a cow with a fucking atv and it looked at me like I did no more than give it a dirty look.

[MindBomber]

livestock is not tortured on a daily basis. cows are retarded and could not survive in the wild well anyways. for the most part animals on farms get treated very well. they are kept as healthy and well fed as possible. they have shit tons of space to eat and fuck. If you really wanted to pick on they way north Americans treat animals. read some stories about how horses get treated. some of them have a pretty brutal life. also big and cows have thick skulls. Ive personal hit a cow with a fucking atv and it looked at me like I did no more than give it a dirty look.

Cows can survive in the wild, a dairy cow might not thrive under most conditions, but beef cows on ranches up north are one step away from being wild animals. Most of the farms I've been on in BC have treated their cows fairly well, but I've spent most of my time on dairy farms so a well treated animal is more of a concern than high production factory farming. Chickens suffer from they day they're born, to the day they die.

Many horses do suffer horrific abuse routinely, if people really new how frequently they're sold for meat they'd be shocked.

[LiquidTurbo]

Jackie Chan PSA on Bear Bile Farming - YouTube

[darkfroggy]

Dont mean to keep going OT with the shark topic, but if you're interested in sharks, you should also watch Sharkwater. It was very informative, but depressing...to the point where I started signing online petitions to stop finning them.

:facepalm:

This is not directed at you, but to online petitions in general. They're utterly useless and accomplish jack shit. Finners don't give a shit about an online petition started by a kid living 30 000 miles away.

Best way to stop shark finning is to start at home. Don't order sharkfin, tell your family not to order sharkfin, and boycott any dinners that contain sharkfin soup. My parents are the retarded kind who don't listen to science/doctors and insist that shark fin soup is healthy. You know, because some retard relative claims that it helped them survive cancer or whatever shit they had. I give them a choice:

They can either go by themselves and eat all the fake mercury shit they want, or we can eat as a family with crab/lobster/sea cucumber. Fuck that shit, you ain't having your cake and eating it too.

[Ronin]

Food is different, really. Yes, ducks are killed but fois gras is awesome. Bears are dying in China for no reason but some silly ancient healing remedies that don't work or...well, don't work as well as real medicine.

I usually keep a balance of how much I like that particular food with how badly it's produced. I like fois gras enough to eat it regardless of how it's produced but I don't feel shark fin has enough of a unique and interesting flavor and texture to make it worth either the money or the cruelty to sharks (which are also awesome). Really, if you take out the shark fin from a shark fin soup, it would taste just as good. The fake stuff at night market is good enough for me. I've never thought it was worth the price of the real stuff.

That being said, if someone else is paying, I'll still eat it. I wouldn't order it but it's a shame to waste food and be rude to hosts.

[MindBomber]

Food is different, really. Yes, ducks are killed but fois gras is awesome. Bears are dying in China for no reason but some silly ancient healing remedies that don't work or...well, don't work as well as real medicine.

I usually keep a balance of how much I like that particular food with how badly it's produced. I like fois gras enough to eat it regardless of how it's produced but I don't feel shark fin has enough of a unique and interesting flavor and texture to make it worth either the money or the cruelty to sharks (which are also awesome). Really, if you take out the shark fin from a shark fin soup, it would taste just as good. The fake stuff at night market is good enough for me. I've never thought it was worth the price of the real stuff.

That being said, if someone else is paying, I'll still eat it. I wouldn't order it but it's a shame to waste food and be rude to hosts.

So what your saying is, you care when you find it convenient.

You look down on those who farm bile, because in your eyes there isn't enough justification, but you enjoy the taste of fois gras so your willing to look past the suffering of innocent creatures. Shark fin is expensive and bland, so you don't personally spend your money on it, but if someone else orders it you'll partake. I'm sure if you believed bear bile actually had health benefits you could justify the cruelty just as easily as you do so in the case of sharks and ducks.

You sir, are a hypocrite.

[ptrinh]

people just don't know whats cruel. :okay:

[EndLeSS8]

Shark Truth (http://www.sharktruth.com/)

Making very good steps in stopping trade and finning of sharks
A good amount of states have started to ban as well.

[Ronin]

So what your saying is, you care when you find it convenient.

You look down on those who farm bile, because in your eyes there isn't enough justification, but you enjoy the taste of fois gras so your willing to look past the suffering of innocent creatures. Shark fin is expensive and bland, so you don't personally spend your money on it, but if someone else orders it you'll partake. I'm sure if you believed bear bile actually had health benefits you could justify the cruelty just as easily as you do so in the case of sharks and ducks.

You sir, are a hypocrite.

Yeah, if I was stupid and believed that bear bile had actual medicinal benefits I couldn't find elsewhere, I'd be farming that shit myself. However, because there aren't any, that practice is just stupid. But if I found out tomorrow that powdered unicorn horn makes me immortal and infinitely virile but it only works if I yank it out of the thing while it's still alive, my only question would be when can we get started.

Clearly I'm not the only one that thinks this way as fois gras still sells despite the fact that everyone thinks it's cruel. Also, that video, while gross, shows the conditions of one particular manufacturer of fois gras. I personally don't think the actual force feeding is cruel but the way they run that farm is. I'm all for regulations that keep facilities humane as long as it doesn't destroy prices...like fucking organic vegetables for sale for 5x what the normal stuff sells for.

Watch season...3, I believe, of Gordon Ramsay's The F Word where they look at a fois gras farm in France, which is more farm than factory.

[darkfroggy]

You think organic farmers price their stuff high because they want to?

:speechless:

[Ronin]

You think organic farmers price their stuff high because they want to?

:speechless:

Of course not. The price reflects the extra amount of work and overhead that goes into producing organic fruits or vegetables.

But just like how I wouldn't pay $32 for an organic cantaloupe, I wouldn't pay the premium on fair-trade, grain-fed, free-range whatever if that premium is too high. That's what it will come down to. Are you willing to pay $8 for a cruelty free chicken breast or $4 for one where you know the chickens are raised in cramped quarters and killed in one of those machines that looks like it's from Saw. Bottom line is cost versus benefits.

[impulse777]

My only comment on this is that western medicine often treats the symptoms, whereas traditional medicine often treats the underlying problem.

But I trust science a lot more than TCM!



Seriously just make people choose, You can have one or the other but you can not take advantage of both...TCM or western/scientific as a remedy . In short order either tcm would be gone or the patients would be. I understand the thousand's of years of history but when your life is on the line what would you do?

I'll add that I believe the remedy for all aliments can be found in nature (including observations regarding tcm) but at the same time on a molecular level almost anything organic can be synthesized. Outdated practices should be left where they belong...History.

[Culverin]

Bears are wild animals.

Wild turkeys, pheasants, grouse, rabbits, deer, elk, boar.
Wild sockey if you have any decent taste in sushi.

So... what's your point?

[ParadiseLost]

I own a Black lab, nine years old, and I love her to death. But at the end of the day, is her life worth more than a human's?

Some say "defend those who can't defend themselves", but considering that no human can ever physically and mentally put themselves in the shoes of a dog (will be heavily deabted) , why are we more concerned about them than our own species?

You see a commercial about people starving, and right away you flip the channel. You see a bear suffering and you instantly feel remorseful and disgusted? I've been to places where people receive less recognition and aid than these animals, why are you not fighting for them? I hate to see these bears go through so much anguish, but what happened to the human race?

I know in North America, your dog is your best friend. My dog is my best friend, and I'd do anything for her. But considering all morality, if I were given the choice between her and a human being, what right do I have to choose her over someone who shares the same genes as myself?

I know some of you don't agree with me, and I respect that. Morality has, and will always be, an issue of perception. What one sees as right seems wrong to another, and that takes time to change. In China, I saw the immense division between the rich and the poor. People may have wealth, but class is profoundly and evidently lacking behind the money. The human race takes time to evolve, and though harsh, people have their own beliefs and though disgusting to me, and you, their upbringing and society has shaped their view towards the world.

Nonetheless, yuck. Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"

[twixxer]

The way i see it, for some reason most believe human life is more precious than other life on this planet. I disagree, no human has the right to exist over any other creature on this planet. Equal rights on a shared planet. When it comes to animals its always let nature play its course when it comes to humans its medicare, medications, chemo therapy anything to keep our long and pretty much pointless lives going on this planet. Its why it so easy to feel bad for the creatures of this planet, as humans are responsible for so much of the suffering on this planet.

[Jackygor]

I am very angry and sad after reading this. Its one of the cruelest thing I have read in a long while. While some of you might argue animal lives are less valuable than human life, this mother bear's action is a clear demonstration of love, so to me, they are as human as we are bears.

While I do believe eating animal/meat is natural as breathing, I also believe in treating them with respect. Have you guys ever wondered why Kobe beef, specifically Waygu, taste so fucken good? It is because they are fed good food, they get groomed on a daily basis and they are respected. They also get a more humane death. So the way I see it, happy meat makes for tasty tasty meat.

[jpark]

^this true, i remember seeing somewhere, a cow that was fed with 100% natural grass rather than artificial food, and was raised in a nice prarie land with humane treatment had more positive effects on humans rather than the incarcerated cows

[midnight_r]

seems like Chinas secrets are coming out...slowly but surely...
shame

[goo3]

^ Most of China is still 3rd world. In fact, most of the world is 3rd world.

Ghetto ppl act ghetto. I never knew this was supposed to be a secret. Did you expect them to agonize over reading books on couches or something?

[fs604]

TCM - tastes like shit :(
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[The_AK]

-_-
I wished we could do that to people instead sometimes.

Keep them in cages and harvest bile from their gall bladders?

Lulwut?
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[midnight_r]

^ Most of China is still 3rd world. In fact, most of the world is 3rd world.

Ghetto ppl act ghetto. I never knew this was supposed to be a secret. Did you expect them to agonize over reading books on couches or something?

yea, I guess you have a point...still quite disappointing facts... cancerous toys, shark fins, animal cruelty ...damn whats next? human parts ‘night market’?

[Glove]

This thread is seriously sad,

that fois gras video is exactly why I dont eat duck, Also when at my friends chinese wedding (im white), they served us sharkfin soup and I told them I didnt want it.

Personally if I had a choice between a caged bears life, and a starving african's life, I would chose the bear, the planet is better off in the end.

Animals are not capable of evil, but humans are. How many people do you see per day that just makes you sigh? chinese people slaughtering animals for no reason, the middle east always at war, corporate minimum wage, which is pretty much slavery ect ect...

whereas if sharks are becoming extinct, I feel a responsibility to try and save them because we are killing them, and then what happens when humans have simply consumed every fuckin species on the planet?



In the grand scheme of things, human's will always attain survival, simply by our intellect, animals can not defend themselves against us, I couldnt care less about some kid in Africa, because there are millions of them that are starving, but there are millions more constantly getting nocked up and having baby's that are starving, why should I help them if they wont help themselves? Dont think of humans as greater than any other creature, think of every animal being equal, what happens when mosquito's or frogs become overpopulated in an area? you implement measures to re-stabalize the population. When there are millions and billions of people starving in africa and india and the middle east, you dont fuckin help them, you fuckin re-stabalise them, cruel, but necessary, Humanity is a virus that needs to be controlled and stabalized, not expanded.

I firmly believe every country should have a 1 or 2 child maximum law, seeing some family's have 4 or 5 children is fuckin recidulous, we have enough people consuming this planet as it is.

[fs604]

Just watched the gordon ramsay shark video, truly a must watch.

[unit]

Good for Gordon Ramsay, but he's a hippocrit. Case of a 'do as I say, not as I do."

He supports force fed Foie Gras.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Foiegras4.jpg/250px-Foiegras4.jpg

Ethical foie gras v force fed - The F Word - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykLsoQBmM1c)

The Foie Gras Assembly Line - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IWN8UGDyC0)

dont buy into this hippie bullshit.
gavage is not inherently inhumane. that would be like saying killing animals for food is inhumane...it depends on the facility and the level of care put into the process.
the major foie gras purveyors in north america (hudson valley, rougie, etc..) are very caring for their product.
if you ever see how gentle they are with their ducks/geese, it is way beyond the level of care at an average mass production farm.

geese do not gag like humans. they can easily take the feedings and they have no noticeable discomfort. they literally line up to get fed, and they actually happy to do it. they dont try to get away or show any sign of being subject to any level of torture. they dont throw up from the feedings, or get sick. ducks swallow their fish whole for fuck sakes.

[Ronin]

This thread is seriously sad,

that fois gras video is exactly why I dont eat duck, Also when at my friends chinese wedding (im white), they served us sharkfin soup and I told them I didnt want it.

Personally if I had a choice between a caged bears life, and a starving african's life, I would chose the bear, the planet is better off in the end.

Animals are not capable of evil, but humans are. How many people do you see per day that just makes you sigh? chinese people slaughtering animals for no reason, the middle east always at war, corporate minimum wage, which is pretty much slavery ect ect...

whereas if sharks are becoming extinct, I feel a responsibility to try and save them because we are killing them, and then what happens when humans have simply consumed every fuckin species on the planet?



In the grand scheme of things, human's will always attain survival, simply by our intellect, animals can not defend themselves against us, I couldnt care less about some kid in Africa, because there are millions of them that are starving, but there are millions more constantly getting nocked up and having baby's that are starving, why should I help them if they wont help themselves? Dont think of humans as greater than any other creature, think of every animal being equal, what happens when mosquito's or frogs become overpopulated in an area? you implement measures to re-stabalize the population. When there are millions and billions of people starving in africa and india and the middle east, you dont fuckin help them, you fuckin re-stabalise them, cruel, but necessary, Humanity is a virus that needs to be controlled and stabalized, not expanded.

I firmly believe every country should have a 1 or 2 child maximum law, seeing some family's have 4 or 5 children is fuckin recidulous, we have enough people consuming this planet as it is.

LOL any response I have to the Africa statement is just going to come off as super racist on my part. :lol

I've never thought of animals as being equal to humans. I consider them to be meat we haven't killed and eaten yet.

For example, if an animal is crossing the street and emergency stopping for it in my car would cause someone to rear end me or cause any sort of danger for me or my car, I'm plowing straight through that raccoon or whatever.

[BlackZRoadster]

Of course not. The price reflects the extra amount of work and overhead that goes into producing organic fruits or vegetables.

But just like how I wouldn't pay $32 for an organic cantaloupe, I wouldn't pay the premium on fair-trade, grain-fed, free-range whatever if that premium is too high. That's what it will come down to. Are you willing to pay $8 for a cruelty free chicken breast or $4 for one where you know the chickens are raised in cramped quarters and killed in one of those machines that looks like it's from Saw. Bottom line is cost versus benefits.

The $8 one obviously tastes better than the $4. Don't tell me you can't taste the difference with free range, grain fed, etc meat

[Glove]

LOL any response I have to the Africa statement is just going to come off as super racist on my part. :lol

I've never thought of animals as being equal to humans. I consider them to be meat we haven't killed and eaten yet.

For example, if an animal is crossing the street and emergency stopping for it in my car would cause someone to rear end me or cause any sort of danger for me or my car, I'm plowing straight through that raccoon or whatever.

we will just hafto agree to disagree then,

im the complete opposite,

I'd swerve and slam on my breaks to try and save the squirel / animals life.

I'd feel so guilty if I ran something over and drove away,

whereas I would have zero guilt if I ran over an idiot or cyclist J-walking across the street.

[haha13]

^ you are contradicting yourself when you say "think of every animal as equal" yet you would have no guilt plowing through people.

[Glove]

^ because people are idiots, even dogs know not to cross the street when shits going 100km/h

[Ronin]

we will just hafto agree to disagree then,

im the complete opposite,

I'd swerve and slam on my breaks to try and save the squirel / animals life.

I'd feel so guilty if I ran something over and drove away,

whereas I would have zero guilt if I ran over an idiot or cyclist J-walking across the street.

So you would swerve into...like, on-coming traffic to save a squirrel? I'm not saying I'm going out there running over squirrels instead of avoiding them to save...tire tread but if avoiding them endangers my own life or the life of another human, then running them over is the more logical thing to do. First is my own safety and the safety of my passengers...then the safety of other motorists...then pedestrians and cyclists...then animals.

And I have zero guild for j-walkers or cyclists either. :D I agree with you. It's their own fault.

[Sid Vicious]

This thread is seriously sad,

that fois gras video is exactly why I dont eat duck, Also when at my friends chinese wedding (im white), they served us sharkfin soup and I told them I didnt want it.

Personally if I had a choice between a caged bears life, and a starving african's life, I would chose the bear, the planet is better off in the end.

Animals are not capable of evil, but humans are. How many people do you see per day that just makes you sigh? chinese people slaughtering animals for no reason, the middle east always at war, corporate minimum wage, which is pretty much slavery ect ect...

whereas if sharks are becoming extinct, I feel a responsibility to try and save them because we are killing them, and then what happens when humans have simply consumed every fuckin species on the planet?



In the grand scheme of things, human's will always attain survival, simply by our intellect, animals can not defend themselves against us, I couldnt care less about some kid in Africa, because there are millions of them that are starving, but there are millions more constantly getting nocked up and having baby's that are starving, why should I help them if they wont help themselves? Dont think of humans as greater than any other creature, think of every animal being equal, what happens when mosquito's or frogs become overpopulated in an area? you implement measures to re-stabalize the population. When there are millions and billions of people starving in africa and india and the middle east, you dont fuckin help them, you fuckin re-stabalise them, cruel, but necessary, Humanity is a virus that needs to be controlled and stabalized, not expanded.

I firmly believe every country should have a 1 or 2 child maximum law, seeing some family's have 4 or 5 children is fuckin recidulous, we have enough people consuming this planet as it is.

if you really believe this, why dont you kill yourself?

another example of the rampant hypocrisy of the "do as i say not as i do" types

[MindBomber]

if you really believe this, why dont you kill yourself?

another example of the rampant hypocrisy of the "do as i say not as i do" types

Do I believe humanity is an infectious plague raping the world of every resource at the expense of all other life, yes.

Would a decrease in the human population contribute positively to alleviating that plague, of course.

Should I kill myself to decrease the human population by a very small fraction of one percent, no, because living and spreading your views while living an eco-conscious life style will have a greater overall impact than committing suicide.

[Sid Vicious]

Do I believe humanity is an infectious plague raping the world of every resource at the expense of all other life, yes.

Would a decrease in the human population contribute positively to alleviating that plague, of course.

Should I kill myself to decrease the human population by a very small fraction of one percent, no, because living and spreading your views while living an eco-conscious life style will have a greater overall impact than committing suicide.

you should set up a cult and encourage + commit mass suicide, thus creating the greatest overall impact and "alleviating the plague," so to speak

[midnight_r]

So you would swerve into...like, on-coming traffic to save a squirrel? I'm not saying I'm going out there running over squirrels instead of avoiding them to save...tire tread but if avoiding them endangers my own life or the life of another human, then running them over is the more logical thing to do. First is my own safety and the safety of my passengers...then the safety of other motorists...then pedestrians and cyclists...then animals.

And I have zero guild for j-walkers or cyclists either. :D I agree with you. It's their own fault.

damn I too hate cyclists and their goddamn bike lanes!!..grrrr
someone make them pay insurance!and take the riding course.

[goo3]

In the grand scheme of things, human's will always attain survival, simply by our intellect, animals can not defend themselves against us, I couldnt care less about some kid in Africa, because there are millions of them that are starving, but there are millions more constantly getting nocked up and having baby's that are starving, why should I help them if they wont help themselves?


Well, you're assuming they have the benefit of knowing what you know.

Differences Between Developed and Developing Countries (http://www.scalloway.org.uk/popu6.htm)


Developing countries have high birth rates because
- Many parents will have a lot of children in the expectation that some will die because of the high infant mortality rate
- Large families can help in looking after the farm
- The children will be able to look after their parents if they become old or sick; there may not be a old age pension scheme
- There may be a shortage of family planning facilities and advice


In other words, not all their children will survive into adulthood and kids are their form of an RRSP.

This is basic stuff you should have learned in high school. Maybe you were slacking off like everybody else, and that's cool. But you get your education, social safety net, and healthy living conditions handed to you on a platter. Methods and reasons for contraception aren't hardwired into us when we're born, so if you were in Africa, you'd be doing the same thing they are.

[SumAznGuy]

Well, you're assuming they have the benefit of knowing what you know.

Differences Between Developed and Developing Countries (http://www.scalloway.org.uk/popu6.htm)



In other words, not all their children will survive into adulthood and kids are their form of an RRSP.

This is basic stuff you should have learned in high school. Maybe you were slacking off like everybody else, and that's cool. But you get your education, social safety net, and healthy living conditions handed to you on a platter. Methods and reasons for contraception aren't hardwired into us when we're born, so if you were in Africa, you'd be doing the same thing they are.

Don't forget contraceptives like condoms and birth control pills cost money and if they don't have money for survival, why would they spend money on condoms.
HIV/AIDS in Africa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_Africa)

[Glove]

Well, you're assuming they have the benefit of knowing what you know.

Differences Between Developed and Developing Countries (http://www.scalloway.org.uk/popu6.htm)



In other words, not all their children will survive into adulthood and kids are their form of an RRSP.

This is basic stuff you should have learned in high school. Maybe you were slacking off like everybody else, and that's cool. But you get your education, social safety net, and healthy living conditions handed to you on a platter. Methods and reasons for contraception aren't hardwired into us when we're born, so if you were in Africa, you'd be doing the same thing they are.

I dont get it,

your basically aggreeing with me, they have kids because they KNOW some will not survive. Thats why I think they are stupid and shouldnt be helped,

if there was a 1 child law down there that was enforced, gradually reducing the population, there would be more resources and supplies for everyone else,

but instead they all decide to have 10 fuckin kids and may the strongest survive.

they're savages

[Glove]

if you really believe this, why dont you kill yourself?

another example of the rampant hypocrisy of the "do as i say not as i do" types

I said controlled and stabalized, not mass genocide,

fewer babies, people should be satisfied with 1 child, then eventually the population will remain a constant, but these people that have 4 or 5 children are just fucking stupid.

there should be a severe tax on additional children born in families.

so if you want more than one, your gonna pay for it. that would make people think twice.

[Gumby]

I said controlled and stabalized, not mass genocide,

fewer babies, people should be satisfied with 1 child, then eventually the population will remain a constant, but these people that have 4 or 5 children are just fucking stupid.

there should be a severe tax on additional children born in families.

so if you want more than one, your gonna pay for it. that would make people think twice.
How do you tax someone who has no money?

You need to go spend some time in Africa to get a reality check.

[haha13]

i don't understand why you want to "control and stabilize" these African populations when the average spend less than 1 dollar a day on resources while the average American person spends a whole lot more. I thought your whole scheme was to stabilize population to decrease consumption of resources on this planet.

[Hondaracer]

A fat American with a job working to buy food and services available is sustainable

An African having 5 kids 3 born with aids and living off 2 cups of rice is not
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[sonick]

They should just learn to cum on the tits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTLA5jB5jow&t=2m25s

Skip to 2:25

[rsx]

They should licence child bearing. Parents should take tests to see if they're fit for parenting and their income/career/education/skills should determine how many kids they can have. Immigrants who bring in kids <18 will need to take the test as a requisite to immigrate.

[LiquidTurbo]

Eugenics!
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[Ronin]

I said controlled and stabalized, not mass genocide,

fewer babies, people should be satisfied with 1 child, then eventually the population will remain a constant, but these people that have 4 or 5 children are just fucking stupid.

there should be a severe tax on additional children born in families.

so if you want more than one, your gonna pay for it. that would make people think twice.

None of this will ever work and it will cost us even more money in the long term.

It might in a first world country but as someone said, how do you tax someone with no money? How are you going to give incentive to someone in Africa to not have children? Are you really going to ask humanitarian aid agencies to spend money on condoms rather than food?

It just won't work. It's not that I don't agree with you. I'm usually in favor of leaving Africa alone and letting it sort itself out, to be honest. It's like throwing money away and the problem just compounds.

[goo3]

I dont get it,

your basically aggreeing with me, they have kids because they KNOW some will not survive. Thats why I think they are stupid and shouldnt be helped,


TBH, when I read your post, I thought, "Man, this guy's a fuckin moron. What a waste of schooling." I just decided to post more diplomatically instead of being an ass.


if there was a 1 child law down there that was enforced, gradually reducing the population, there would be more resources and supplies for everyone else,

but instead they all decide to have 10 fuckin kids and may the strongest survive.

they're savages

Hmm.. you missed my point, but whatever.

[b92]

chinese are the most fucked up

[StaxBundlez]

that's pretty fucked up...

[RacePace]

Awareness of this practice is generating backlash in China

Finally, Outrage in China Against Bear Farming - NYTimes.com (http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/finally-outrage-in-china-against-bear-farming/)

This also happens, feels fucking bad man

And even if the milking procedures reduced a bear’s life expectancy from 24 years to seven or eight, Mr. Ha figured he could add to his profit by hacking off the occasional paw to sell to a restaurant.

In one section of his farm, five of the 14 caged bears had paws missing. One bear, a big male, was missing two.

[drunkrussian]

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[blkgsr]

Awareness of this practice is generating backlash in China

Finally, Outrage in China Against Bear Farming - NYTimes.com (http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/20/finally-outrage-in-china-against-bear-farming/)

This also happens, feels fucking bad man

people like that need to have a hand or two cut off

[GLOW]

people like that need to have a hand or two cut off

i was thinking something else of theirs that needed cutting off