[girlcrazy_420]

Not sure where to post...

Our landlords are.... hard to deal with.

Today while we where out our landlord called us and told us our rental suit has too much furniture and that our floors where dirty so they swept and mopped and tidied up our living room.

Ok, pardom me... WHY THE FUCK WHERE THEY IN, LET ALONE CLEANING MY HOUSE.

Secondly: I've got a 1990 5th wheel on OUR side of the driveway and they said they are going to issue us an eviction notice if it is not removed by monday as this is the 3rd time of them telling us this. Do I legally need to remove my trailer? its a 19ft... insured and CLEAN in OUR SPOT... This is my main issue. Must it be removed? I'm paying for the fucking parking spot.

I've got a set of summer and winter tires in our shed, they MUST BE REMOVED FROM PREMISES. (says the evic letter)... Once again, I dont understand why I am not allowed to keep my seasonal tires in the shed.

And finally, our pool must be taken down by monday. The renters upstairs helped set it up, they use it... they like it. It is brand new on a cement pad out in the yard. It has a cover, its nice... its new. Are they even allowed to tell us what we are, and not allowed to have in our yard??

And, they DEMAND the yard be cut every 4 days. They stop by on the 4th day and literally yell at us. Its bullshit. We're paying $1200 for a basment suit for the record.

[hchang]

Tell them to go fuck themselves with a cactus.

Evicting under those circumstances are illegal iirc but regardless Legal or not you shouldn't be taking this kind of shit from a landlord, let alone if you're paying 1200/month for a basement suite.
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[Culture_Vulture]

you gotta learn to use "where" properly, bro.

[falcon]

Lol, I think it's time you read up on your rights and tell your landlord to fuck off.

[girlcrazy_420]

I've been reading the rights, and I cant find anything about vehicles, pools etc.

[spideyv2]

you gotta learn to use "where" properly, bro.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001640793/5414781401_Grammar_Police_answer_3_xlarge.png

[girlcrazy_420]

yeah thanks tips ^^ I obviously dont give two shits

[Graeme S]

Reasons for eviction include non-payment of rent, non-payment of utilities, illegal actions, and so on and so forth.

THey are legally not allowed to enter your suite unless they have given you 24 hours' written notice. If they try and evict you without reason and without sufficient notice, you are legally entitled to call the cops to order them to let you back into YOUR suite. If I were you I'd start taking pictures and a small inventory of everything just to make sure nothing goes "missing" while they try to evict you. If you do not have a lease agreement, then you are considered to be on a month-to-month rental agreement which (for all intents and purposes) can only be terminated by YOU, not them.

If you are paying for the use of an area, and it is specified in the lease/contract (side of the driveway, back yard), then they are not allowed to specify how you use it unless it is against local bylaws. If you are responsible for maintenance, then the maintenance must be reasonable; cutting the yard every 4 days is not.


Long story short: the law's on your side, but the more you stick to it, the more it sounds like your landlord is gonna be a dick.

[girlcrazy_420]

Reasons for eviction include non-payment of rent, non-payment of utilities, illegal actions, and so on and so forth.

THey are legally not allowed to enter your suite unless they have given you 24 hours' written notice. If they try and evict you without reason and without sufficient notice, you are legally entitled to call the cops to order them to let you back into YOUR suite. If I were you I'd start taking pictures and a small inventory of everything just to make sure nothing goes "missing" while they try to evict you. If you do not have a lease agreement, then you are considered to be on a month-to-month rental agreement which (for all intents and purposes) can only be terminated by YOU, not them.

If you are paying for the use of an area, and it is specified in the lease/contract (side of the driveway, back yard), then they are not allowed to specify how you use it unless it is against local bylaws. If you are responsible for maintenance, then the maintenance must be reasonable; cutting the yard every 4 days is not.


Long story short: the law's on your side, but the more you stick to it, the more it sounds like your landlord is gonna be a dick.

Our lease is up, we have been on month to month for about 4 months now. Our agreemend says "responsibility of tenents to cut grass/summer and snow removal/winter" so I presume that means its OUR yard. According to the tenancy acts online, our yard must be a DISSASTER and unreasonable. Its definitely one of the cleaner yards on the block. Unfortunately I cant prove they where in our house, as they told us via the phone.

[Vansterdam]

wow nazi landlords

[Nightwalker]

If you're month to month now (lease is up), I think they can evict you for any reason so long as they give you a months notice.

[Gt-R R34]

First Link to all your info:
Know Your Rights & Responsibilities : RTB : Government of British Columbia (http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/content/rightsResponsibilities/default.aspx)

What you really need to do:
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/Fact%20Sheets/RTB-107.pdf

This with regards to your responsbilities and his.

Repairs and Maintenance : RTB : Government of British Columbia (http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/content/rightsResponsibilities/repairs.aspx)

[Nlkko]

They have no ground to evict you. As said, above, reason for eviction is either non-payment of rent/util, illegal actions, complaints from other housemates (has to be very bad), etc. File a dispute resolution and leave it to the arbitrator to tell the nazi landlords to go fuck themselves.

Cutting the grass every 4 days? Who the hell does that...

They can still stop renting to you if they give a month notice though. I would start looking somewhere else because it's tough renting from retards even if you have nice housemates. I've shared a house before and never again...

Sounds like you have one of those nazi landlords. I've seen plenty of those on craigslist: No dog, no cat, no hamster, no party, no guest after 10pm, no smoking, no noise, no nothing. Those people expect tenant to get home, eat, take a shit and then go to bed... Anyways, you have at least another month and a half. Start looking!

[winson604]

Bet you they violate a bunch of other violations too like possible illegal secondary suite, renting without a business license etc. Report them after you leave lol.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Tell them to fuck off lol. If they enter your suite again I would just shit kick them. They have no rights to enter the basement which WAS RENTED to you. They need to give you 24hour notice and you can say no. Why are they even coming into the basement with no notice. I would install some small door alarm next time (the ones that doesn't require any wiring just sorta install on the doors).

O and if they contiune to to be an issue report the place. Most likely they are renting th unit illegally.

[Graeme S]

Illegal tenants are still protected by the RTA, just so everyone knows. The RTA was set up to protect tenants and landlords provincewide, not to enforce municipal laws.

[girlcrazy_420]

Its a legal suit ^^

So speaking of the landlord, he just stopped by with a second written warning (within the past 2 days) for "not cutting the lawn as promised" Made me sign it, we had a arguement than he left. It was supposed to have been cut yesterday so the yard looked good for when he shows the house in the morning. He DEMANDED that I cut it at 9pm... so I guess i've got some work ahead of me. I gave him shit for cleaning our floors and he said he did it as a "safety concern" as they where "highly discusting" hahaha Oh my. He finally gave me the reason why the pool has to go. Since utilities is included in our overpriced rent, the pool pump exceeds our power consumption. Ok, fuck him... window a/c units, lights on 24/7... and every other power consuming device I can find. Oh, I'm fucking livid with this asshole and now I want to toy with him. its a shady neighbourhood anyways, may as well let him "try to evict us"... games sound like fun.

PRICK

[Graeme S]

Being a prick will not do you any favours with the RTA. In my experience, the best way that I know of to stick it to assholes is to suck it up, smile, and do your own thing.

[Gt-R R34]

Its a legal suit ^^

So speaking of the landlord, he just stopped by with a second written warning (within the past 2 days) for "not cutting the lawn as promised" Made me sign it, we had a arguement than he left. It was supposed to have been cut yesterday so the yard looked good for when he shows the house in the morning. He DEMANDED that I cut it at 9pm... so I guess i've got some work ahead of me. I gave him shit for cleaning our floors and he said he did it as a "safety concern" as they where "highly discusting" hahaha Oh my. He finally gave me the reason why the pool has to go. Since utilities is included in our overpriced rent, the pool pump exceeds our power consumption. Ok, fuck him... window a/c units, lights on 24/7... and every other power consuming device I can find. Oh, I'm fucking livid with this asshole and now I want to toy with him. its a shady neighbourhood anyways, may as well let him "try to evict us"... games sound like fun.

PRICK

If you want to play. Again. Read my first post.

Know your rules. What you can do and what you can't do.

Being mad and arguing doesn't do you squat.

Also, you're on month-to-month contract. If you read, if he gives you a letter on 1st of Sept, you have till oct 31st to leave. And you don't have an option. You're not signed for a year or what not.

READ YOUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. Then play.

Don't know the rules = you just "get" more angry cuz well, you don't know if he's right or wrong.

*REMINDER*
READ YOUR RUELS OF ENGAGEMENT : aka my first post.

[Culverin]

ItSo speaking of the landlord, he just stopped by with a second written warning (within the past 2 days) for "not cutting the lawn as promised" Made me sign it, we had a arguement than he left.

He can't "make" you sign crap.
Sounds like you didn't take the advice of the people who have already posted and found out your rights and stuck to them.

You caved. I just hope whatever you signed doesn't come back to bite you in the ass.

[k3mps]

suck it up for now, anything else will make things worse.
yes, it may seem like the easiest way is the most unbearable, but to keep yourself out of trouble with the tenants (who knows how apeshit they'll go on you) , you gotta suck it up a bit.
after that, report their asses, request a search into their other properties and how tenants are being treated, etc.
obviously i don't mean sucking up as in letting them go into your rented space and cleaning about.
then find a new place ASAP.

btw you got me curious...what race are they

[darkfroggy]

I doubt you are telling the full story.

Landlords don't just come in your room and help you sweep for no reason. Did you have food crumbs all over the place, breeding mice? Were you attracting fruit flies? I'm also interested in how often you mow your lawn.

[ptrinh]

suck it up for now, anything else will make things worse.
yes, it may seem like the easiest way is the most unbearable, but to keep yourself out of trouble with the tenants (who knows how apeshit they'll go on you) , you gotta suck it up a bit.
after that, report their asses, request a search into their other properties and how tenants are being treated, etc.
obviously i don't mean sucking up as in letting them go into your rented space and cleaning about.
then find a new place ASAP.

btw you got me curious...what race are they

i was just going to ask that AHA

[wstce92]

I'm going to get failed, but I don't care.

It is not YOUR suite, it is your LANDLORD'S suite.
Don't like their rules, don't live it in their unit.
How would you like it if you rented something to someone only to have them treat it like shit?
Would you be ok with your friend borrowing your car for the weekend in exchange for a full tank of gas upon return, only to have him return it full of garbage, scratched up all over, and smelling like dog shit?
Each person has a different definition of "treat like shit", but you're renting someone else's property, so you should respect THEIR definition.
And for everyone who's going to say you pay rent, so it's yours; it's not.
You're not the one who's bought the place, you're not the one who's money is at risk.
Regardless of how much money we pay for rent in this city, we are guests to the owners, and we should respect them. If you think your landlord is ridiculous, move, you don't have to live there, it's not a right, its a privilege.

[Nlkko]

I doubt you are telling the full story.

Landlords don't just come in your room and help you sweep for no reason. Did you have food crumbs all over the place, breeding mice? Were you attracting fruit flies? I'm also interested in how often you mow your lawn.

And I doubt you have lived with many landlords. The OP definitely have a stinky scumbag who want to milk money out of tenants. Most landlords wouldn't give a fuck what the hell you do in your suite unless the neighbors and housemates complain about it. Too much furniture? Sorry, not his problem.

And the landlord doesn't seem to know the law. Entering tenant's suite without prior notice is a big no no, let alone clean them.

Is mowing the lawn every 4 days written and signed for in your tenancy agreement? If not give him the middle finger. Cutting the grass every 4 days is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Normal people with their own house don't do that for several weeks. I can understand the outdoor pool though.

In the end, if your story is true he CANNOT evict you, period. He can, however, serve you a notice of end of tenancy, which give you until at least October to find a new place. As said before, if he serve a notice of eviction, file a dispute resolution and leave it to the RTB to give him the middle finger. I would advise you looking for a new place. There's no point putting up with a scumbag like some people here advising. You'd just get more stress in the end.

$1200 for a basement suite. 2br? Or 1?


I'm going to get failed, but I don't care.

It is not YOUR suite, it is your LANDLORD'S suite.
Don't like their rules, don't live it in their unit.
How would you like it if you rented something to someone only to have them treat it like shit?
Would you be ok with your friend borrowing your car for the weekend in exchange for a full tank of gas upon return, only to have him return it full of garbage, scratched up all over, and smelling like dog shit?
Each person has a different definition of "treat like shit", but you're renting someone else's property, so you should respect THEIR definition.
And for everyone who's going to say you pay rent, so it's yours; it's not.
You're not the one who's bought the place, you're not the one who's money is at risk.
Regardless of how much money we pay for rent in this city, we are guests to the owners, and we should respect them. If you think your landlord is ridiculous, move, you don't have to live there, it's not a right, its a privilege.

You sir, are a fucking retard. Tenants are people, we are not dogs. We pay to live in a rental property, we don't live there for free. Guests my ass. Both parties agree to a certain rules in the rental agreement and abide by it. You can't just rent out to somebody and then a few days later, show up and tell them they need to cut the fucking grass every 4 fucking days.

You say landlords deserve respect. I assume you also imply that the renters don't deserve any? You can't just storm into somebody room and clean it no matter how dirty it is. You are talking out of your ass.

[Gt-R R34]

I'm going to get failed, but I don't care.

It is not YOUR suite, it is your LANDLORD'S suite.
Don't like their rules, don't live it in their unit.
How would you like it if you rented something to someone only to have them treat it like shit?
Would you be ok with your friend borrowing your car for the weekend in exchange for a full tank of gas upon return, only to have him return it full of garbage, scratched up all over, and smelling like dog shit?
Each person has a different definition of "treat like shit", but you're renting someone else's property, so you should respect THEIR definition.
And for everyone who's going to say you pay rent, so it's yours; it's not.
You're not the one who's bought the place, you're not the one who's money is at risk.
Regardless of how much money we pay for rent in this city, we are guests to the owners, and we should respect them. If you think your landlord is ridiculous, move, you don't have to live there, it's not a right, its a privilege.

Going to thank and fail you.

For 1 reason: IT CUTS BOTH WAYS. You rent their property and pay them rent. They should also respect your privacy. He's a TENANT, he has rights and privleges. They infringe on that, the OP has the damn right to play the game.

Just cuz the person bought the property doesn't give him to be "god" to the tenant. If i had a landlord, i'd tell my landlord to go fuck themselves. I paid rent, i get my priveleges. You want to see my place, by all means, following the rules.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I'm going to get failed, but I don't care.

It is not YOUR suite, it is your LANDLORD'S suite.
Don't like their rules, don't live it in their unit.
How would you like it if you rented something to someone only to have them treat it like shit?
Would you be ok with your friend borrowing your car for the weekend in exchange for a full tank of gas upon return, only to have him return it full of garbage, scratched up all over, and smelling like dog shit?
Each person has a different definition of "treat like shit", but you're renting someone else's property, so you should respect THEIR definition.
And for everyone who's going to say you pay rent, so it's yours; it's not.
You're not the one who's bought the place, you're not the one who's money is at risk.
Regardless of how much money we pay for rent in this city, we are guests to the owners, and we should respect them. If you think your landlord is ridiculous, move, you don't have to live there, it's not a right, its a privilege.

How would you like if someone comes INTO YOUR HOUSE (Even if you rent it), without any notice and HE COMES when you or any of your family members didn't know. What if you are having sex with your gf when he comes? Or what if you have guest over? That to me is an invasion of privacy. Landlord or not he have no right to come in. Doesn't matter if the place is a mess. The landlord can give warnings, evcit notice if he wants. What the landlord did was illegal.

In terms of the pool, I would leave it, there nothing that saids you can't have a pool unless it is fully written in your contracts which well you are on a month to month so unless he made a new agreement that specific saids no pools and you sign it, he can't make you get rib of it. Since power is included I don't see why can't you use it to max.

[SFUguy]

you're from kelowna. that says it all.

your landlord is probably some hillbilly.

[wstce92]

You sir, are a fucking retard. Tenants are people, we are not dogs. We pay to live in a rental property, we don't live there for free. Guests my ass. Both parties agree to a certain rules in the rental agreement and abide by it. You can't just rent out to somebody and then a few days later, show up and tell them they need to cut the fucking grass every 4 fucking days.

You say landlords deserve respect. I assume you also imply that the renters don't deserve any? You can't just storm into somebody room and clean it no matter how dirty it is. You are talking out of your ass.

If you are not a fucking dog, don't live in someone's property like a fucking dog.
Just cause you pay to live in someone's building doesn't mean you own it. An agreement SHOULD outline rules, but it should be common decency to not treat someone else's property like shit. And not treating it like shit, to the landlord, might mean a meticulously kept lawn, and if you're not doing that, then I too would demand you to fucking cut the grass every 4 fucking days.

and just to clarify, I strongly feel that no one should enter your rental without previous notice, BUT if your unit is to the point where they feel the need to clean it; you need to go learn to not be a fucking dog.
Your privacy don't mean shit if you're letting the place go to hell.

Would you, personally, stand idly by while some asshole trashes your property as long as they were paying you?

I've worked cleaning buildings, and if you just let shit sit; it eventually gets the point where you can clean for years and it'll still look like shit. Are you going to replace the floors and paint the walls for your landlord when you leave?

I'm saying landlords deserve respect because they clearly don't get any.
How to fuck do people find it ok to do whatever the fuck they want to someone else's property.

And like I said before, you personally might not think you're living in filth and treating the property like shit, but you are living on THEIR property, so you should upkeep according to THEIR standards.

Don't like it? Move.

You pay to LIVE in the unit. Not to do whatever the fuck you want. At the end of the day, it's still your landlord's property, and they have a say as to how their property should be kept and look. If they think your above ground pool, trailer, and rims make their property look like shit; and thus want it gone, you should oblige.
If you want to do whatever the fuck you want, get your own place, or rent from a landlord who is cool with it.

I don't know the OP, and I'm not saying they're a douche. But if this asshole landlord truly has unpleasable standards, then every subsequent renter after him will get evicted too. That does the landlord no good, having to find a new renter every few months; those months in between renters without rent will add up.

Oh, and also, of course you're a fucking guest. Get the fuck over yourself; your fucking rent, hell, your fucking rent combined with all the other renters rent if there are any, will cover their mortgage AT BEST. Before accounting for misc. and associated costs if any.

If you treat someone with respect, I highly doubt they'll treat you like shit.
Obviously there are landlords who will treat people like shit regardless, but that's few and far between. I've had no problems with any landlords I've had, save for one, who tried to get rid of me as the rent I was paying was far below the going rate in that neighborhood; but I didn't blame him, who the fuck doesn't want to get paid what they're worth.

[SpuGen]

Illegal tenants are still protected by the RTA, just so everyone knows. The RTA was set up to protect tenants and landlords provincewide, not to enforce municipal laws.

Haaah.
The RTA fucks over landlords 99% of the time.

[cheapskate]

I've been in the rental business and according to the OP's posts I would want to kick him out too. He sounds like the type who brings a whole bunch of junk with him (ugly cars, trailers, pool, tools, wheels LOL). Crap like that totally makes a home look like some ghetto Surrey shack. And also judging by his posts, he doesn't seem like an easy person to deal with (getting all angry even online? LOL).

The landlord was totally in the wrong going into his suite though I think the demand to mow the lawn every 4 days is just a ploy to kick him out lol. :D

A reasonable person would just leave ASAP, instead this guy goes about doing a bunch of stupid shit (wasting electricity, etc.) like some 13 year old punk. There's definitely a lot we don't know here.

[Gridlock]

1. cheapskate: honestly, I'm leaning towards your assessment. To the OP, this is nothing personal.

Here's the deal: I got flamed hard on an apartment design blog for sharing this perspective, but its so true. I try to find tenants that aren't going to cause me more work than necessary. In fact, I use the term "wingy". I want people that have jobs, come home, park their car, make normal food that doesn't stink in the hall, clean up after themselves, watch a little tv at a normal volume, and go to bed. Most important, I want people that shut the fuck up and leave me alone!

Boring life right? You got it. Why? Their neighbors don't know they exist, they pay their rent with post dated checks and I say hi in the halls. That's it. I don't need to hear people's stories about why they can't pay rent. Their neighbors aren't kept up at odd hours. Yada Yada yada.

So where did you go wrong? Don't worry, its not all your fault.

Well, you raised your profile on the landlord radar. You have a goddamned 5th wheel in the drive and a goddamned pool in the backyard! Let me make this really clear: YOU DON'T OWN YOUR HOME.

I wouldn't want that shit near my building, and I certainly wouldn't want it at my house, whether I live there or not.

So here is the question: Did you tell these people before your move of what you were planning to do? No? I didn't think so. They came home one day and saw a big trailer in the drive. Surprise! I get pissed if there is a cat I didn't know about.

So that started your problem.

But its not all your fault.

There is some mis-information in this thread. Yes, they can ask you to move on a month to month lease. But not for free.

You get 2 month's notice and 1 of those months is free rent.

I suspect that the showings are to sell the house, and usually, the buyer will not want to inherit tenants, meaning its up to the seller to cough up the 1200 for you. I think that's why he cleaned your house.

Way cheaper to kick you out.

So: The fight.

The entire act is written in terms of "unreasonable" and so on. There is not one line of the thing that is written "do these specific things and get kicked out" so that ambiguity works on both sides.

The landlord needs to provide you with written documentation of anything wrong so that you can address the situation.

"You have 7 days to remove the violating pool from the backyard, as this use is an UNREASONABLE use of backyard privledges" The landlord then shows increased utilities and pictures and you are out.

I can't see the branch signing the order to evict based on parking the trailer in the driveway.

He again, needs to provide you with written notice about mowing the lawn.

" You have 14 days to comply with the material terms of your lease that states you would mow the lawn every 4 days(6, 12 whatever) during summer months."

He would then need to show that letter that you received the notice, and a copy of your lease that says you would mow every 4 days. If the lease doesn't say every 4 days, then no case. He just can't come up with an arbitrary number now, because he doesn't like you.

If the lease says, "as needed" then its up to him to prove you aren't doing it "as needed" and you to document that it is done "as needed".

See how the game works?

He makes a statement, that statement needs to be allowed under the tenancy act to apply, he needs to prove said statement is not being followed, that you were provided a reasonable chance to correct the issue and by not being followed it is causing "unreasonable" duress to the tenancy. To close the case up nice and tight, he needs show that the only "reasonable" way to make things right is for you to leave.

[Gridlock]

Haaah.
The RTA fucks over landlords 99% of the time.

I wouldn't say it fucks over landlords. It definitely protects tenants. But I think it should.

You have personality conflicts with people all the time. I don't think you should lose your home for it.

There is a person in our building that does nothing but try to make our lives miserable. She calls the owners and complains. They've told her to stop. She came to my door once and complained that she stepped in dog shit on the boulevard. I told her the hose is out back and she should look down when she walks. Then I slammed the door in her face.

We have not spoken since, and we give each other an awkward silent treatment in the halls.

Do I think she deserves to lose her home for it? No. If she slips up on something I can use, I'm gonna take her out. But that's the hurdle I have to jump, and she needs to give me an avenue I can use. I hope every single month that the check gets forgotten.

Sometimes you need to accept that it takes all kinds. I ignore her, and she ignores me. In my books, the problem kind of solved itself there. I'm sure she has nothing but pleasant things to say about me.

The point is, if we could just get rid of people on a whim, I'd take over a building and one by one bounce everyone out and put in people that I like, and get along with. And that would happen over and over again. You'd never be able to unpack.

We had a crackhead living in another building and they worked with us. In fact, we did more damage to our case than he did, because we kept trying to work with him to get him out. Once we finally went to arbitration, he was done. If we had been hard ass from day one, we could have had him out way faster.

I haven't had a time where I could honestly say, "we were screwed on this deal with the branch"

But then, if you look at what i wrote above, we take the approach of documenting everything and assaulting the arbitration with facts, not feelings.

[Death2Theft]

Personally i'd just video him trying to come into the place uninvited. Call the cops in to get him out right away. Have it on film and take it to tenancy court.
If you really want to be a dick.....

First thing you gotta ask yourself is living here worth the hassle?
To be mildly annoying you can be late with rent twice before he can try to evict you on that. Even then when it comes to ultimate removal the cops can't do it. They have to spend 1k+ on hiring bailifs to do it and the more crap you leave behind the more they will get charged.
Start making videos of whenever he comes over and what he does. That will get him to be alot less "nazi" real quick. Dont argue or say anything just date time and how you think the landlord is violating your rights. Of course being late with rent will probally make him even more irritated so you really want him on camera.

If you have already found a place and move all your valuables there you can really fuck with him. Dont give him any notice that your leaving stop paying rent.
Drive down to the worst part of town and just invite people over for a party and tell them it's cool they can crash there. Pack the place full of hobos tell them they can store stuff there.
You can do alot more damage to him than the damage deposit will cover.
Put cat litter/concrete down all the drains. Make holes in the walls, pull out piping, throw fish guts/juice in the vents and insulation.
Kick in the door and leave. If they try to pursue you.... just say you left x days ago and had no idea all that stuff went down. Let them keep the damage deposit alot of good that will do.

There is so much shit tenants can do to fuck with landlords it's not even funny the rules are written clearly in favor of the tenants.

[girlcrazy_420]

Well, we've decided to start looking for a new place. I've rented TONS of houses, bsm suits etc... My girlfriend rented this place and it is her second place ever and she's completely whipped by this guy. She's always like "shhhh be quiet" or "you need to listen to him" and meanwhile i'm like "fuck him, he's a douch"... haha

But for 1200mo, I can sure as hell find a new place. Thx for the input guys ^^

[girlcrazy_420]

Gridlock: How do I go about getting this "free" month? Its not written anywhere on the tenancy act. I have a feeling this skumbag wont give back out damage deposit, so I was just not going to pay rent for the last month.

[Gridlock]

It's called Landlord's use of property.

The acceptable reasons are:

They want to do reno's that require an empty unit
They want a family member to move in
Purchaser intends to use the property-basically they have become the landlord and intend for a family member to move in.

There is nothing in the act that says "I want the guy gone, and am willing to pay him"

Most people will either: harass you to move, evict you on cause, or buy you out. Just because it isn't in the act, doesn't mean you can"t do it, it just means both parties need to agree.

BUT: what the fuck is this shit:" i'm like "fuck him, he's a douch"... haha"?

Seriously...how many of your problems right now with this guy are your own doing?

By all means, feel free to not pay your last month's rent. If he knows what he's doing, he gives you an RTB-10 which I call the pay to stay notice. You have 5 days to pay, or 10 days to move out. He can give you that any time after 12:01 am on the 2nd. If he posts it to your door, you technically get 3 extra days to receive it.

Oh, and to anyone who suggests trashing the place, you can go for more money than the damage deposit. Collection becomes another matter, but do you want this following you for 10 years?

[Nlkko]

Edit: resolved so doesn't really matter anymore.

[Anjew]

as people have said tell them to fuck off or Just fucking leave.... good tenants are hard to come by. See how they feel when some kid moves in and plays the fucking drums all day. if they evict again thats another months rent possibly down the drain from cleanup and a replacement tenant.

i'm so grateful to have good tenants for the last 5 years because the previous 2years was nothing but headache after headache.




isnt it against the law if the owners do not provide ample warning before they enter your suite? i always give at least a week...

[ptrinh]

move to vancouver. Problem solved.

[girlcrazy_420]

Figured I'd post this up anyways. He gave us till today (monday 12 noon) to resolve the condition of the property. He gave us an eviction notice for "failure to comply to a clean usable property" Here are the pics I took just after he left. This is every angle of the yard... If this is what you call "unclean" than I dont know what to say, but this does not look worthy of eviction.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00156.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00157.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00158.jpg
My tires and trailer...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00160.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00159.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00162.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00161.jpg
West corner of property
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00164.jpg
Stairs to out suit
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00168.jpg

[Great68]

Figured I'd post this up anyways. He gave us till today (monday 12 noon) to resolve the condition of the property. He gave us an eviction notice for "failure to comply to a clean usable property" Here are the pics I took just after he left. This is every angle of the yard... If this is what you call "unclean" than I dont know what to say, but this does not look worthy of eviction.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00156.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00157.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00158.jpg
My tires and trailer...
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00160.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00159.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00162.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00161.jpg
West corner of property
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00164.jpg
Stairs to out suit
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b252/Impulse_rs/IMG-20110815-00168.jpg

Yep, your Landlord's a douche.

I have no idea how he could get you to agree to be responsible for yard maintenance if you don't get sole usage of the yard.

[FRStan]

Sounds like the landlord just finding every excuse possible to kick you out. Your yard looks fine...

[SumAznGuy]

Based on these pics, I'd take the landlords to the tenancy board.
The tires might be a bit of an eyesore, but nothing else there seems too bad.
Cutting the grass once every 4 days does seem a bit harsh. You mentioned that the upstairs is also rented out. Is the landlord as hard on them as they are on you and your GF?

The pool looks like it is sitting on the grass. I thought you mentioned it was sitting on a concrete surface.

[murd0c]

get rid of the tires they are bald and theres no point of even taking a tire groover to them. I would tell your landlord to fuck off he has no rights and is just pushing you around cause you are letting him. He just can't kick you out end of month he has to give you 3 months notice as wel

[Great68]

Well, you raised your profile on the landlord radar. You have a goddamned 5th wheel in the drive and a goddamned pool in the backyard! Let me make this really clear: YOU DON'T OWN YOUR HOME.

I wouldn't want that shit near my building, and I certainly wouldn't want it at my house, whether I live there or not.



While the pool is probably in contradiction of whatever "Back yard use" rules his rental agreement might have, I don't see how the 5th wheel should pose a problem.

It's registered, and in the OP's assigned parking spot (Which I'm assuming was allocated per the rental agreement).

Unless the rental agreement states that only a "Car" may park there, It's TOO FUCKING BAD if the landlord thinks it's ugly and doesn't like it there.

[Phil@rise]

I'm going to get failed, but I don't care.

It is not YOUR suite, it is your LANDLORD'S suite.
Don't like their rules, don't live it in their unit.
How would you like it if you rented something to someone only to have them treat it like shit?
Would you be ok with your friend borrowing your car for the weekend in exchange for a full tank of gas upon return, only to have him return it full of garbage, scratched up all over, and smelling like dog shit?
Each person has a different definition of "treat like shit", but you're renting someone else's property, so you should respect THEIR definition.
And for everyone who's going to say you pay rent, so it's yours; it's not.
You're not the one who's bought the place, you're not the one who's money is at risk.
Regardless of how much money we pay for rent in this city, we are guests to the owners, and we should respect them. If you think your landlord is ridiculous, move, you don't have to live there, it's not a right, its a privilege.
You are delusional.
As a tenant YOU are lining the pockets of your landlord their "investment" is increasing their net worth. They are providing a service you are paying for it. As long as you are paying for said services and are living within the parameters of local laws and guidelines the landlord has no right to lessen your quality of services promised by them by providing you with a "home" a home is intended to be a safe comfortable place to live. Borrowing a car is a completely irrelevant retarded comparison.

[Great68]

You are delusional.
As a tenant YOU are lining the pockets of your landlord their "investment" is increasing their net worth. They are providing a service you are paying for it. As long as you are paying for said services and are living within the parameters of local laws and guidelines the landlord has no right to lessen your quality of services promised by them by providing you with a "home" a home is intended to be a safe comfortable place to live. Borrowing a car is a completely irrelevant retarded comparison.

THANK YOU.

wstce92 should get off his high horse way of thinking that landlords are so graciously allowing a tenant to live in their house as if the tenant should be grovelling at the landlord's feet.

Tentants are CUSTOMERS.

[Eff-1]

Not sure where to post...

Our landlords are.... hard to deal with.

Today while we where out our landlord called us and told us our rental suit has too much furniture and that our floors where dirty so they swept and mopped and tidied up our living room.

Ok, pardom me... WHY THE FUCK WHERE THEY IN, LET ALONE CLEANING MY HOUSE.

Secondly: I've got a 1990 5th wheel on OUR side of the driveway and they said they are going to issue us an eviction notice if it is not removed by monday as this is the 3rd time of them telling us this. Do I legally need to remove my trailer? its a 19ft... insured and CLEAN in OUR SPOT... This is my main issue. Must it be removed? I'm paying for the fucking parking spot.

I've got a set of summer and winter tires in our shed, they MUST BE REMOVED FROM PREMISES. (says the evic letter)... Once again, I dont understand why I am not allowed to keep my seasonal tires in the shed.

And finally, our pool must be taken down by monday. The renters upstairs helped set it up, they use it... they like it. It is brand new on a cement pad out in the yard. It has a cover, its nice... its new. Are they even allowed to tell us what we are, and not allowed to have in our yard??

And, they DEMAND the yard be cut every 4 days. They stop by on the 4th day and literally yell at us. Its bullshit. We're paying $1200 for a basment suit for the record.

There are a couple major points you've suspiciously failed to include in your story.

Did you ever mention to the landlord the trailer and/or the pool BEFORE you parked/installed them?

I know if I had a tenant who didn't mention to me he wanted to park a 20ft trailer in the driveway before signing the lease, sure i'd be livid. Likewise if the same tenant decides to install a pool without checking with me first and it impacts my hydro bill.

While neither of those two things can justify an eviction, I can understand the landlord's frustration with you.

Some landlords don't give a shit as long as the cheque doesn't bounce. But many do. You may want to keep that in mind as you search for a new place.

It comes down to simple respect for each other. If a conversation had taken place ahead of time, I can't help but think all of this could have been avoided.

[Eff-1]

THANK YOU.

wstce92 should get off his high horse way of thinking that landlords are so graciously allowing a tenant to live in their house as if the tenant should be grovelling at the landlord's feet.

Tentants are CUSTOMERS.

Not really. You're renting a place to someone. You're not selling magazine subscriptions. It's apples to oranges.

The lawn cutting issue is clearly unreasonable and entering the suite is clearly the landlord's fault.

But at the same time, the tenant can't do whatever the hell they want without any respect for the landlord simply because he/she is paying rent. That is also unreasonable.

Take painting the walls, for example. A renter can't paint the walls and change the drapes without getting permission first. If you do, the landlord can force you to change it back.

In this case, while the landlord can't evict due to the trailer, it still shows lack of respect for the landlord. Both parties here are to blame for this situation.

[taylor192]

While neither of those two things can justify an eviction
This is the key to the rest of the stupidity in your post.

There are a couple major points you've suspiciously failed to include in your story.

Did you ever mention to the landlord the trailer and/or the pool BEFORE you parked/installed them?

I know if I had a tenant who didn't mention to me he wanted to park a 20ft trailer in the driveway before signing the lease, sure i'd be livid. Likewise if the same tenant decides to install a pool without checking with me first and it impacts my hydro bill.
He didn't leave anything out, and he doesn't have to tell his landlord fuck all as long as he's within the written rules of the contract and law. I've been a landlord, so please save the BS.

You're the example of a bad amateur landlord that I hate dealing with. You rent the property to me, and within reason I get to do what the fuck I want to it. Its MY place, not yours. You nolonger get a say, so if you want to be livid, go ahead privately and don't bother me - yet you don't get to be a douche like this landlord.

If any landlord entered my place unlawfully I'd simple call the police and let them deal with a trespassing charge, followed by a civil charge. Amateur landlords need to learn the hard way they need to be professional, that this kind of shit only ends up making their life worse.

[taylor192]

Most landlords wouldn't give a fuck what the hell you do in your suite unless the neighbors and housemates complain about it.
You'd be surprised of the expectations of many amateur landlords. They want their suite to remain 100% perfect and nit pick every minor detail. They don't seem to understand budgeting for wear and tear on a rental, probably cause their margins are so thin they cannot afford to.

My first landlord in Vancouver was like this, and my roommates former landlord was like this. Thankfully we have a kick ass laid back landlord now.

[taylor192]

A reasonable person would just leave ASAP, instead this guy goes about doing a bunch of stupid shit (wasting electricity, etc.) like some 13 year old punk. There's definitely a lot we don't know here.
A reasonable person would have called the police and reported unlawful entry, contacted the tribunal, then filed a civil suit against the landlord. I think the landlord is lucky he has a tenant just causing a bit of childish shit, rather than handling it like a professional adult.

Judging by the pictures this landlord deserves everything he gets.

[taylor192]

But at the same time, the tenant can't do whatever the hell they want without any respect for the landlord simply because he/she is paying rent. That is also unreasonable.

Take painting the walls, for example. A renter can't paint the walls and change the drapes without getting permission first. If you do, the landlord can force you to change it back.

In this case, while the landlord can't evict due to the trailer, it still shows lack of respect for the landlord. Both parties here are to blame for this situation.
Since when do you need to "respect" your landlord? Serious, WTF? My landlord isn't doing me any favour by renting me a place, I owe him NOTHING outside what is reasonable and lawful. If there's no law or rule against parking a trailer in a spot, then there is no issue. NONE.

Again, more bad amateur landlords here.

You can paint walls all you want, they just have to be painted back when you leave the place to the satisfaction of the landlord. While I live there, I can damn well paint them any colour I want, and you the bad amateur landlord cannot do fuck all about it unless it was in the contract. There's no law against paint, although many stratas have rules about drapes.

[Eff-1]

This is the key to the rest of the stupidity in your post.


He didn't leave anything out, and he doesn't have to tell his landlord fuck all as long as he's within the written rules of the contract and law. I've been a landlord, so please save the BS.

You're the example of a bad amateur landlord that I hate dealing with. You rent the property to me, and within reason I get to do what the fuck I want to it. Its MY place, not yours. You nolonger get a say, so if you want to be livid, go ahead privately and don't bother me - yet you don't get to be a douche like this landlord.

If any landlord entered my place unlawfully I'd simple call the police and let them deal with a trespassing charge, followed by a civil charge. Amateur landlords need to learn the hard way they need to be professional, that this kind of shit only ends up making their life worse.



All I mean by respect is a simple "hey landlord, just so you know, I have a trailer i'll be parking in your the driveway. is that cool?"

Or even "hey would you mind if I installed a pool in the backyard?"

Nobody likes surprises. Landlords or tenants.

And WTF is with your shitty attitude all the time. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

[taylor192]

Reasons for eviction include non-payment of rent, non-payment of utilities, illegal actions, and so on and so forth.

THey are legally not allowed to enter your suite unless they have given you 24 hours' written notice. If they try and evict you without reason and without sufficient notice, you are legally entitled to call the cops to order them to let you back into YOUR suite. If I were you I'd start taking pictures and a small inventory of everything just to make sure nothing goes "missing" while they try to evict you. If you do not have a lease agreement, then you are considered to be on a month-to-month rental agreement which (for all intents and purposes) can only be terminated by YOU, not them.

If you are paying for the use of an area, and it is specified in the lease/contract (side of the driveway, back yard), then they are not allowed to specify how you use it unless it is against local bylaws. If you are responsible for maintenance, then the maintenance must be reasonable; cutting the yard every 4 days is not.

Long story short: the law's on your side, but the more you stick to it, the more it sounds like your landlord is gonna be a dick.
Best post in this thread!

OP I would do all this and go further. I would report them to the police and tribunal for unlawful entry. If you haven't, do it now. If you don't want to involve the police, at least contact the tribunal and get it on record.

Next step would be a call to CRA to see if they are reporting income on the property. Usually bad amateur landlords are not reporting income, and this would fuck with them more than any damage you could do.

If you do decide to leave, remember this section of the RTA. Do not agree to have the damage deposit pay for any damages, let them bill you and force them to return the damage deposit. If they don't, and 15 days pass, they now owe you double. Consider it a bonus that most bad amateur landlords don't know about.

38 (6) If a landlord does not comply with subsection (1), the landlord

(a) may not make a claim against the security deposit or any pet damage deposit, and

(b) must pay the tenant double the amount of the security deposit, pet damage deposit, or both, as applicable.

[taylor192]

All I mean by respect is a simple "hey landlord, just so you know, I have a trailer i'll be parking in your the driveway. is that cool?"

Or even "hey would you mind if I installed a pool in the backyard?"

Nobody likes surprises. Landlords or tenants.

And WTF is with your shitty attitude all the time. Seriously, it's ridiculous.
I don't have a shitty attitude all the time, I only have a shitty attitude against people who are wrong. I know you are a mod, yet you are very wrong.

What you're asking for is NOT respect, its just being nice. I know we're all Canadians and we tend to say "thank you" when buying something, yet that's just being nice, there's no lack of respect for not going out of the way to be nice. I paid for it, I don't need to thank you for taking my money.

Now I would probably ask my landlord before installing a pool, yet would not ask before parking a trailer. Its my parking spot, I can use how I please. Do I need to ask my landlord before parking my Mercedes in my rented parking spot, seeing how many people think its an eyesore :p

[Great68]

All I mean by respect is a simple "hey landlord, just so you know, I have a trailer i'll be parking in your the driveway. is that cool?"



I agree that a heads up would be a nice gesture, but the OP shouldn't need to ask permission to use his allocated parking spot, and the way you phrased it that's what you'd be doing. With this landlord, it sounds like the answer would be no anyways, so what would have been the point?

[Great68]

Now I would probably ask my landlord before installing a pool, yet would not ask before parking a trailer. Its my parking spot, I can use how I please. Do I need to ask my landlord before parking my Mercedes in my rented parking spot, seeing how many people think its an eyesore :p

:werd:

[racerman88]

As a renter you have a lot of rights. I just can not remember the name of the organization.
They also can not go into your suite without giving you notice first. They are invading your privacy.

[taylor192]

All I mean by respect is a simple "hey landlord, just so you enow, I have a trailer i'll be parking in your the driveway. is that cool?"



I agree that a heads up would be a nice gesture, but the OP shouldn't need to ask permission to use his allocated parking spot, and the way you phrased it that's what you'd be doing. With this landlord, it sounds like the answer would be no anyways, so what would have been the point?
That is a great way of putting it, and nicer than I could have said it! :) I underlined the problem in his way of thinking, its not the landlord's spot, its the tennant's. If the landlord wants "respect" then they need to be professional within the rules, contact, and law - and this landlord deserves no respect.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Why be such an Asshole landlord@@ We rented our basement out and as long as there not a lot loud noise at night and place seems clean we don't care what they do. I don't think we have any issue with anyone renting our basement all these years.

Treat others like the way you want to be treated and they will do the same. No one wants to keep moving and be force to move, is a lot of work and effort.

[FerrariEnzo]

if your contract states you are allowed to use the parking stall, then just quote it.

If they still bitch, tell them they violated the terms and condition of the tenancy act. They should give you min. 24hrs notice upon entering your place or if both parties agree upon a time of when they can enter without the 24hrs notice.

[Manic!]

Does the RV have storage insurance?

[Gridlock]

I get frustrated when people start quoting the RTA to me when we are discussing an issue. Yes, feel free to sit there and tell me that you are within the letter of the law, and yes, I know that section you are quoting because I know it better than you do.

BUT, and I think this is what Taylor192 isn't getting, it goes both ways.

We'll operate like that. And then you get to deal with a dick landlord that goes around and charges you for every nick and scratch. Hey! It's within the letter of the law.

I had a guy move in just last month. Owns a small moving company, and brings his cube van home. We were discussing parking and he decided just to park on the street. We mentioned that maybe on the side instead of out front would be preferred. No problem! No one really wants to look at a huge cube van out their window.

I have no "right" within the letter of the law to ask him not to park on the public street in front of the building. He could have told me to pound sand.

But, he understood that we weren't being dicks, he knew his truck was ugly and what a nice give and take thing. A week later when he asked if I had some paint he could use, I was equally obliging. I even did his painting for him because he was doing a horrible job.

I think the OP pissed the landlord off with a "fuck off" attitude and that's what brings us here today.

Myself, I probably wouldn't care about the surprise trailer. You are right...its a vehicle parked in a space.

The pool is well beyond use of a backyard. Did anyone offer to pay up extra hydro? There will be a nice dead spot on the lawn for years if its not on concrete.

You can't just sit there with the attitude that "I'm a tenant and a customer, I can do whatever I want with the place." You are renting the use of the space.

I have given many tenants the "power of a phone call" speech. Don't come to me with a list of issues that you've been sitting on for months is number 1. Tell me about an issue, and I'll look at it. Number 2, is keep the communication open. If you want someone to move in with you,m just let me know. It's an issue if I don't know what the deal is. So on and so on.

Ultimately, the power of a phone call would have worked here. Hey! I'd like to get a pool. The owner can give his objections on hydro and probably lawn. Awesome: How about I pay $50 extra in the summer months and re-seed when I leave?

Done!

Is it working within the letter of the law? No. But its common courtesy.

If you don't want someone over your shoulder, buy.

[Great68]

I get frustrated when people start quoting the RTA to me when we are discussing an issue. Yes, feel free to sit there and tell me that you are within the letter of the law, and yes, I know that section you are quoting because I know it better than you do.

BUT, and I think this is what Taylor192 isn't getting, it goes both ways.

We'll operate like that. And then you get to deal with a dick landlord that goes around and charges you for every nick and scratch. Hey! It's within the letter of the law.


Just to clarify, I am not suggesting one does not use good common sense in a tenant-landlord relationship, there is some give and take.

In this case however, the evidence suggests that the landlord is one of those dicks who would be impossible to work with.

Pretty much everyone in this thread has agreed that the pool isn't kosher. But even worse is the landlord illegally entering the OP's suite, that's a pretty massive alarm bell right there.

The main controversy seems to be the trailer. It's either the OP parks it in his spot and the landlord stays unhappy, or the OP has to park it somewhere else at his expense which means he'd be unhappy. Personally I don't think the OP should have to be on the hook for that expense, especially after seeing that it is parked neatly to the side, not obtrusive, it doesn't look decrepit and is insured.

[gdoh]

this is why i hated living in a suite landlords are nice and they become complete assholes with no consideration of people below

[Gridlock]

Just to clarify, I am not suggesting one does not use good common sense in a tenant-landlord relationship, there is some give and take.

In this case however, the evidence suggests that the landlord is one of those dicks who would be impossible to work with.

Pretty much everyone in this thread has agreed that the pool isn't kosher. But even worse is the landlord illegally entering the OP's suite, that's a pretty massive alarm bell right there.

The main controversy seems to be the trailer. It's either the OP parks it in his spot and the landlord stays unhappy, or the OP has to park it somewhere else at his expense which means he'd be unhappy. Personally I don't think the OP should have to be on the hook for that expense, especially after seeing that it is parked neatly to the side, not obtrusive, it doesn't look decrepit and is insured.

I totally agree.

I think entering the suite is covered in "Being a Landlord 101" on the first day, and yeah, that causes me concern.

I think the OP's "fuck off" attitude didn't get him where he wanted to be, and the landlord said, "alright. Fuck me? Fuck you too"

There is other evidence on this board of other issues with people that the OP has had that leads me to feel this way.

The key here, is to "fuck them too" within the confines of the law.

There are a few tenants that have nominated themselves to my "fuck off" list. The key here is, they put themselves on the list. There are some tenants that I instantly get along with really well. There are some that I say hi to, and carry on, and outside our jobs we really wouldn't have anything to do with them.

Then there are the ones that push it. Taylor is going to say I'm a prick landlord, but I pride myself on being able to deal with most people. People nominate themselves to the list, purely on attitude.

There was a guy at our newest building that actually won me over. He is a heavy smoker. HEAVY. I was working on the unit next to him, and he was giving me shit about the water being off. I kind of took it on the cheek at the time. Then we saw inside his place. Everything was orange. The nicotine had pooled in condensation creating black pools on the window sill. The curtains were crunchy.

So I send him a letter. Probably the most direct I've ever sent to a tenant. Basically, I told him here's the issues. Here is what you have to do, and by when. Failure means eviction.

I was expecting massive resistance when he requested a meeting. Had it all planned out. He was going to tell me that there was nothing on his lease regarding smoking. Repairs have lapsed for years in the building and you fix that, and then I'll think about fixing my place and so on.

Instead, he had an issue with the tone of the letter(how do you dress up, I want you out of the building?) but was apologetic and took full responsibility. He asked for more time to comply than I originally gave him, and we left with a handshake.

There is a guy that was, and should still be right on the "fuck off" list, but isn't. I don't like the guy, but I can still work with him. So on my fuck off list, I have a woman that really hasn't done anything "bad" to the building but has a horrible attitude towards me, and as soon as I have enough to work with, I'm going to take her house, but a guy that has done damage but took responsibility is not.

My point has gone a little beyond the OP's problem, but its good advice in any situation such as this. You really do get what you give with MOST people.

[taylor192]

Then there are the ones that push it. Taylor is going to say I'm a prick landlord, but I pride myself on being able to deal with most people. People nominate themselves to the list, purely on attitude.
You'll notice I haven't quoted you in this thread, cause I think your accounts make for what a good landlord should be. :thumbsup: I'd rent from you... and I'm currently looking for a 1bdrm unit in Vancouver West.

Your smoking example is a great example, yet lets put it into context:

Smoking did damage to the unit which needed to be repaired, and the action had to stop before the repairs would become much more extensive. Fair enough.

The pool does minimal damage. The OP can buy some fresh sod replace any dead grass, and most shared utility rentals have a clause to adjust prices based on usage. If the pool was using more, bill the tenant more.

I do have a problem with this:

If you don't want someone over your shoulder, buy.

There's no reason a landlord should be looking over any tenants shoulder prior to receiving a complaint or a move out notice. BC has a rule where landlords are allowed to do an inspection a few times a year, yet that is mainly to prevent grow-ops and shouldn't be abused to keep your investment pristine. Otherwise, its my place while I rent it. If I damage it, I have till I move out to fix it unless it creates a complaint or is unlawful.

Ultimately I don't think that's the problem here, that the landlord's complaints are not about damage or bills. The complaints are typical NIMBY asshole crap that no-one, community members, neighbours or tenants should have to put up with.

[taylor192]

BUT, and I think this is what Taylor192 isn't getting, it goes both ways.

I get that it goes both ways, what you're not getting is that when you start off being unreasonable, there's no 2 ways about it. Asking someone to move something unsightly is rude, you're putting down what they own and how they are using it, and you should expect NO respect in return.

I'm surprised the guy with the moving van offered to park on the side street, I would've never complied with that request. Since when did a view of a street become so valuable?

Its like that idiot in North Van complaining he cannot sell his $6.5M house cause of a farmer selling produce down the street. More NIMBY crap and deserves no respect.

[Gridlock]

I'm surprised the guy with the moving van offered to park on the side street, I would've never complied with that request. Since when did a view of a street become so valuable?



Well, there's that fine line again. He could have said, "i"ll park it where I damn well feel like. You don't own the street."

That's cool.

If that's your attitude, I hope you like watching tv at a whisper, 'cause if it goes over 2, I'm at your door.

If he had said, well, I live at the front of the building and would like to keep an eye on it...hey great! good point. He doesn't by the way.

I would never go and ask him to stop parking out front if he did. I'm not a nazi.

It's simply a big truck, that isn't all that pretty. It was a reasonable request, and I got a reasonable response. The next time he needs a favour, I'd be more inclined to say yes, instead of no. Which already got called in, and I was more than happy to help. That's how you build a community.

If you want to be a dick, then be damned sure you are never going to need something from me-as I said, I'll play whatever game you want to play. We're going to play "letter of the law" then we'll do it. You want to play nice and scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, I can do it just as easy.

[taylor192]

I would never go and ask him to stop parking out front if he did. I'm not a nazi.

That sums up the entire argument. You won't, this landlord did.

Well, there's that fine line again.
It is a fine line when you paint it as such, as most of us use pretty broad strokes.

What happens if his response is just "nah, I'd rather not walk that far". That's on par with your "I like the view", ie not a very good reason, and doesn't quote laws/rules/contracts, just a preference. So what happens then? Do you start nit picking the music volume cause you didn't get your way? do you put him on the "fuck off" list cause he didn't give a good reason for complying with your wishes?

If you just mind your own business and don't pull the NIMBY crap on things that ultimately don't really matter, then there's no fine line :p I wouldn't ever dare ask someone not to park on the street, its not a fine line I wish to draw.

[Gridlock]

Ha...this is fun, but going round in circles makes me dizzy.

I am trying to rent nice apartments in an "up and coming" neighborhood in a building that we've dumped a shitload of work into.

If having some big truck parked out front causes a quality tenant to pass and go to one of the several other buildings in the neighborhood going after the same types of people, then it just became a small issue.

Now, if a guy across the street parks his there, then I'm dead in the water, but most reasonable people would see what I'm trying to do, and assist in where we're going.

And, once again, if his attitude was"I'll park it here to fuck him" then yes, I will nitpick you to fuck you. Not quite in the high school, eye for an eye type way-I really don't have that much time in my life, but in general, I'm not going to go out of my way to be nice, and not have it returned.

Just going to put this in there, in case my sample tenant here is a closet fan of the import scene-your truck isn't that bad! Purely using it as an example ;)

[Gridlock]

BTW...this is just going to make your head spin...that logic above is the same reason I like attractive people. They look nicer in the halls for new tenants ;)

Gotta do something to minimize the impact of the drunk slob on 2.

[Lomac]

Since when do you need to "respect" your landlord? Serious, WTF? My landlord isn't doing me any favour by renting me a place, I owe him NOTHING outside what is reasonable and lawful. If there's no law or rule against parking a trailer in a spot, then there is no issue. NONE.

Again, more bad amateur landlords here.

You can paint walls all you want, they just have to be painted back when you leave the place to the satisfaction of the landlord. While I live there, I can damn well paint them any colour I want, and you the bad amateur landlord cannot do fuck all about it unless it was in the contract. There's no law against paint, although many stratas have rules about drapes.

Many stratas (yes, admittedly the conversation is about a basement suite) have restrictions stipulating that vehicles parked in a spot must be insured for the road and not be over a certain size. As well, many have restrictions on painting walls inside each unit. My ex's apartment was like this.

I don't have a shitty attitude all the time, I only have a shitty attitude against people who are wrong.

ZOMG, I've found Skinnypup's second account! :eek: lol

What you're asking for is NOT respect, its just being nice. I know we're all Canadians and we tend to say "thank you" when buying something, yet that's just being nice, there's no lack of respect for not going out of the way to be nice. I paid for it, I don't need to thank you for taking my money.

Now I would probably ask my landlord before installing a pool, yet would not ask before parking a trailer. Its my parking spot, I can use how I please. Do I need to ask my landlord before parking my Mercedes in my rented parking spot, seeing how many people think its an eyesore :p

No, you're not asking for respect but if you want a good relationship between a tenant and owner, respect goes a loooong way. A friend of mine just rented a basement suite that didn't come with a specific parking spot on the yard, just the street. However, since one of his two vehicles is a work van that's constantly loaded with very expensive equipment, him and his new landlord talked about it and agreed to let him park it in the driveway. This, among other things that were originally not part of the agreement, allowed both my friend and his landlord to form a quick bond of mutual respect for one another and should hopefully go towards keeping each other happy should a situation arises that may otherwise become a deal breaker.

[Nightwalker]

So how long until OP is evicted? Can't be too long.

[dinosaur]

BC has a rule where landlords are allowed to do an inspection a few times a year, yet that is mainly to prevent grow-ops and shouldn't be abused to keep your investment pristine.

Actually, the "BC" rule you so wrongly quote, is just that.

The RTA states that a landlord can enter once every 30 days.

It drives me insane when tenants quote the RTA without knowing what they are talking about. I had one at my door yesterday quoting it as it were the fucking bible and I was an atheist.

here's a tip...as Gridlock says...stay off my fucking radar and I'll play nice. You are not my customer and therefore, I will not treat you as one. This is my home too and I deserve the same respect. If you have a problem, I will be more that happy to do what I can to help you...but don't treat me like shit or act like you have made my life better by you living here.

[taylor192]

BTW...this is just going to make your head spin...that logic above is the same reason I like attractive people. They look nicer in the halls for new tenants ;)
LOL!

We're only going in circles cause you fall back to the "fuck off" attitude, so without going in circles, what would you do with someone who has a "meh" attitude. As in someone who is not disrespectful, doesn't quote the law, yet ultimately doesn't agree with you and does contrary to what you asked.

I worry that a lot of amateur landlords would still place this "meh" person on their "fuck off" list, when really their list should be called "didn't kiss my ass" list. :p

[taylor192]

Actually, the "BC" rule you so wrongly quote, is just that.

The RTA states that a landlord can enter once every 30 days.
Giove me a fucking break. The RTA is "BC" rule, and "a few times a year" vs "once every 30 days" are close enough for you not to be an ass and nit pick.

You are not my customer and therefore, I will not treat you as one.
WRONG. I am your customer, and I can stop paying you anytime I want, leave, fuck you over, and you have little recourse without wasting time/money in court. That said, my parents have run businesses and taught me that the customer is not always right, yet you always treat a customer professionally even when they are wrong.

To get back on topic: it is unprofessional to ask someone to remove an unsightly trailer, and very unprofessional to illegally enter someone's apartment.

This is my home too and I deserve the same respect.
It stopped being your home the day you decide to rent it out. Its a rental property, and it will be treated as such.

[taylor192]

ZOMG, I've found Skinnypup's second account! :eek: lol
LOL I wish, he's banned me before :(

good relationship between a tenant and owner, respect goes a loooong way.
Kinda. As a tenant I just want to be left alone, and as the landlords here have pointed out, they don't want to hear from me.

Your example is one of the tenant or landlord asking a favour, and the other agreeing to be nice. I've now point blank asked Gridlock what happens if one side doesn't agree and just goes "meh" without being disrespectful or quoting rules/laws. Based on personal experience a "meh" response is almost always taken as a "fuck off" attitude, cause whenever someone asks they usually have an expectation that the other person will oblige - thus why Gridlock keeps defaulting back to the "fuck off" attitude and won't consider something inbetween "respect" and "fuck off".

[taylor192]

If having some big truck parked out front causes a quality tenant to pass and go to one of the several other buildings in the neighborhood going after the same types of people, then it just became a small issue.

Sorry, I know people hate my multiple posting style, yet I wanted to put this one in its own post.

I would think as a landlord you want the opposite. If a tenant would pass on your place cause of a truck parked out front, how picky are they going to be to deal with?

My buddy just moved into a place and he's ridiculously picky, having the landlord come in to fix all sorts of minor cosmetic things. My buddy knows he can get away with this cause his unit sat for a few months before being rented, and the unit next door still sits empty.

I told my buddy that I wouldn't want him as a tenant - and he's exactly the type that would care if a big truck was blocking his view.

[Greenstoner]

"Respect" is the key words to be a succesful tenant and landlord.

"Respect" also goes a long way for career and life.


my 2 cents

[Phil@rise]

The pool does minimal damage. The OP can buy some fresh sod replace any dead grass, and most shared utility rentals have a clause to adjust prices based on usage. If the pool was using more, bill the tenant more.


The pool does extensive damage when someone breaches the top or sides of it. The whole downstairs suite will be subject to major flood damage perhaps this is an underlying issue the landlord has with it. does the OP have house insurance to cover such damages? If so then then the landlord should have no issue with it so long as the OP returns the yard to the same or similar state to which it was rented in the first place.

[7seven]

I know if I was a landlord, I would be pissed if a tenant installed a pool without my approval. I'm not positive about the BC laws, but the property I own in Hollywood has a pool and there are very strict laws regarding fencing off and enclosures of a pool. If the pool does not meet specific minimum standards it opens the property owner up to a number of liability issues.

Perhaps the OP's landlord might be concerned with that issue?

[SpuGen]

I feel sorry for Taylor192's landlord.

That poor bastard.

[gdoh]

I know if I was a landlord, I would be pissed if a tenant installed a pool without my approval. I'm not positive about the BC laws, but the property I own in Hollywood has a pool and there are very strict laws regarding fencing off and enclosures of a pool. If the pool does not meet specific minimum standards it opens the property owner up to a number of liability issues.

Perhaps the OP's landlord might be concerned with that issue?

there are pics on page 2 and the pool covered up, but the thing that would piss me off about a pool would be the dead grass underneath

[7seven]

there are pics on page 2 and the pool covered up, but the thing that would piss me off about a pool would be the dead grass underneath

Speaking strictly from my experience with California laws, that cover alone is not sufficient, nor is the yard his pool in properly enclosed to keep people out for that pool to be legal, I had to build a minimum fence of 5ft all around the entire property to cover any liability issues. I wonder what the BC laws are regarding pools?

[dinosaur]

WRONG. I am your customer, and I can stop paying you anytime I want, leave, fuck you over, and you have little recourse without wasting time/money in court. That said, my parents have run businesses and taught me that the customer is not always right, yet you always treat a customer professionally even when they are wrong.



Dude, you are not my customer. I did not invite you into my home. I manage the apt. building and you signed a contract to live here and it is my job to make sure you don't fuck up and abide by the contract.

If you do fuck up by "stop paying anytime you want" or "fuck me over" the only cost to me is $50.00 to watch you cry.

As for the OP and the pool situation. The landlord can go after him for damage . Fucking up the lawn and potentially causing permanent damage is not considered "normal wear and tear". Not only is there the potential to lose the damage deposit, but should the damage exceed the amount of the damage deposit, he may have to pay more.

Regarding the 5th wheel...the landlord may want to research the city by-law. Some cities do not allow vehicles over a certain size to be parked on a residential property or to be visible from the street. This may be the only recourse regarding the 5th wheel.

I don't go out of my way to create problems with my tenants (I have over 90 tenants spread between 5 buildings and a townhouse) and I am probably the type of manager that you would like to rent from...that being said, as I tell all my tenants "I can be your friend or your enemy...you choose". It works and for the most part, all are off my radar. I have helped my tenants move things, lent out money for laundry, given people a rides, had people in for coffee, feed tenants' pets when they are away, let people borrow tools, given people jumps, etc.... I am not a prick, but put yourself on the radar and I'll gladly pay 50 bucks to give you a bad week.

[Lomac]

Speaking strictly from my experience with California laws, that cover alone is not sufficient, nor is the yard his pool in properly enclosed to keep people out for that pool to be legal, I had to build a minimum fence of 5ft all around the entire property to cover any liability issues. I wonder what the BC laws are regarding pools?

Theyre much the same here.
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[taylor192]

Dude, you are not my customer. I did not invite you into my home. I manage the apt. building and you signed a contract to live here and it is my job to make sure you don't fuck up and abide by the contract.
When I sign a contract I am someone's customer. I may not be your customer if you're a property manager, yet I am the customer of whomever is on that contract.

Fucking up the lawn and potentially causing permanent damage is not considered "normal wear and tear".
Perhaps you missed my post about fresh sod. Its $5 for 10 sqft, so for < $100 he could replace any dead grass. You make it sound like its some expensive impossible task. Its fucking grass. :eek::rolleyes:

This may be the only recourse regarding the 5th wheel.
There's another recourse: let it go and mind your own business.

I don't go out of my way to create problems with my tenants
Like with Gridlock, this sums it up as I doubt you or Gridlock with give the OP this much grief over the trailer and pool.

[taylor192]

The pool does extensive damage when someone breaches the top or sides of it. The whole downstairs suite will be subject to major flood damage perhaps this is an underlying issue the landlord has with it. does the OP have house insurance to cover such damages? If so then then the landlord should have no issue with it so long as the OP returns the yard to the same or similar state to which it was rented in the first place.
My last landlord required proof of insurance as part of the lease. It wouldn't be hard for this landlord to request it.

I know if I was a landlord, I would be pissed if a tenant installed a pool without my approval. I'm not positive about the BC laws, but the property I own in Hollywood has a pool and there are very strict laws regarding fencing off and enclosures of a pool. If the pool does not meet specific minimum standards it opens the property owner up to a number of liability issues.

Perhaps the OP's landlord might be concerned with that issue?
The landlord might be concerned, yet all they'd have to do is lookup the bylaw:

Swimming pools greater than 450 mm deep and with a surface area more than 14 m2

The OP would have to confirm, this pool might be more than 150 sq ft.

[white_guilt]

Wow OP, grow a pair. The fact that you did not read him the riot act after he came into your home and tampered with your shit, blows my fucking mind.

[dinosaur]

When I sign a contract I am someone's customer. I may not be your customer if you're a property manager, yet I am the customer of whomever is on that contract.


Perhaps you missed my post about fresh sod. Its $5 for 10 sqft, so for < $100 he could replace any dead grass. You make it sound like its some expensive impossible task. Its fucking grass. :eek::rolleyes:


There's another recourse: let it go and mind your own business.


Like with Gridlock, this sums it up as I doubt you or Gridlock with give the OP this much grief over the trailer and pool.

oops..posted on the ladies acct.

[Gridlock]

1. The pool would have been gone before it was even full of water. That thing breaks and my house, your suite is flooded. Not happening. At all. The trailer alone I'd probably not have an issue with.

2. The whole customer thing. I thought about this today.

You are a customer in that we have a business relationship that I provide a house and you pay my mortgage.

BUT...to truly feel like a customer, you need to be in a position where I need more than 1 customer per house per year.

I thought about this today, and really the relationship is more analogous to that of an employee, than a customer. Think about it...someone else(or a bank) nominates me to be in charge, your only true exit is to quit...it just goes on and on.

And on your asking about the 'meh' attitude.

I'd love a meh attitude. I think it works for awhile, but you get tired of the disrespect after awhile, and it comes back to the age old question: is this a hill you want to die on? I think most people are respectful, as long as you are respectful and have legit requests.

I mean, I'm still thrown off by your saying, "I never would have complied with not parking out front". Like, what are you going to do, specifically park there to piss me off?

[Gridlock]

Sorry, I know people hate my multiple posting style, yet I wanted to put this one in its own post.

I would think as a landlord you want the opposite. If a tenant would pass on your place cause of a truck parked out front, how picky are they going to be to deal with?

My buddy just moved into a place and he's ridiculously picky, having the landlord come in to fix all sorts of minor cosmetic things. My buddy knows he can get away with this cause his unit sat for a few months before being rented, and the unit next door still sits empty.

I told my buddy that I wouldn't want him as a tenant - and he's exactly the type that would care if a big truck was blocking his view.

And the landlord is happyt to comply...for now. Once that other unit is rented, try getting him to come and touch up the paint. OH! And once his stock goes down a little bit, wait for the attitude change.

As I said, just don't ever need a favor from the guy ;)

[taylor192]

I mean, I'm still thrown off by your saying, "I never would have complied with not parking out front". Like, what are you going to do, specifically park there to piss me off?
I'd never do anything to specifically piss off my landlord, I've been a landlord and believe in karma.

I just would've politely said 'no', I'd rather not walk around the block.

I still don't understand why you default to the "fuck off" attitude. Not everyone that doesn't comply with your every wish for a good reason is out to get you :p :D

[taylor192]

BUT...to truly feel like a customer, you need to be in a position where I need more than 1 customer per house per year.

I thought about this today, and really the relationship is more analogous to that of an employee, than a customer. Think about it...someone else(or a bank) nominates me to be in charge, your only true exit is to quit...it just goes on and on.

I'd say you're more like a waitress than employer. After I order my food I'm obliged to pay, yet unless the service is good I can take my business elsewhere next time.

I will agree its like being an employee for many. It takes effort to move (find a new job) and most people are lazy. For the few of us that know our worth, we know a little bit of effort will find a better deal. Especially lately, my last 3 friends that have moved have had their pick of places and negotiated rent down.

[Gridlock]

And round and round we go ;) I like the waitER part. Dinosaur is the girlfriend and I'm the boyfriend in our building management duo.

I think we finally agree on a part...my neighborhood(New West) happens to be on a general upswing in terms of rent money, quality of tenant and so on. There are months where we show to a few more people, and then months like we just had where we had 2 units rented based on pictures of what the apartments look like when they are renovated. I hadn't even picked up a hammer and we had damage deposits cashed.

And that affects my attitude for sure.

I had a tenant complain the other day that they received a rent increase. They happen to be in one of the renovated units.

If they decide to move, I'll miss them, they are nice, but I'm not going to throw myself at their feet. Their apartment is going to show fantastic, as the work is all done. I know every screw and nail in the place, so I can nitpick the inspection on the way out :) And realistically, we'll probably rent it for more than the increase was for.

If I didn't feel confident in that, its a different story.

[Death2Theft]

Hmm I wonder if requiring renters have insurance is a worthwhile step. At least you wont be liable for damage to their property if a leak or something happens?