[alphabet]

Is it me or when you see a Porsche drive by or even on the streets, you don't get that "Wow! A porsche" type of feeling that it is supposed to generate?

[LP700-4]

I dont get that feeling, but obviously when its a higher end model like a GT3RS or something, i get a bit of that feeling.

I personally think that while Porsches are nice cars and all, they aren't any kind of exotic or anything, they are merely sportscars.

[jpark]

its true, most non-car enthusiast people on the road wouldnt be able to tell a difference between a regular c4 and a turbo lol

[dignatas]

only top ends are noticeable, but a person won't go WOW like a lambo or ferrari

[mb_]

its true, most non-car enthusiast people on the road wouldnt be able to tell a difference between a regular c4 and a turbo lol

i can't :okay:

[AlphaKappa]

i don't think anyone is surprised to see a lambo or ferrari in dt..

[haha13]

i'm always attentive to porsches, whether its a boxster or a cgt :drool

[TOPEC]

porsches aren't known to be exotics to begin with thats why

[325isMSPORT]

a boxter.... I pay attention to the air cooled porsches

[ShyGuy]

Porsches aren't priced in the super exotic price ranges like Ferrari and Lamborghini.
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[donjalapeno]

a bright red porsche gets my dick hard every time....

http://www.carztune.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/red-Porsche-911-GT.jpg

[LP700-4]

Porsches aren't priced in the super exotic price ranges like Ferrari and Lamborghini.
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Thats not true, cost doesnt have to do with anything, Most GT-R's cost less than a ferrari or lambo but they always get my attention.....

[Ronin]

It's because Porsches aren't that rare. You couldn't buy a 458 right now even if you tried. If you somehow managed to find a wait list that wasn't a year in, you're going to be paying upward of $300k.

...while you can walk into a Porsche dealership with a bag of money and walk out with a 911.

That and Porsches are slightly douchey. I'm not saying all Porsches are driven by douches. I know some cool people here at RS that drive Porsches but just in general, when you imagine someone with a Porsche, they're middle aged dudes that get annoyed by your pronunciation of "Porsche", regardless of how close to correct it is.

I personally don't notice Porsches, really, unless it's a classic or a CGT. 911s aren't rare. I don't even particularly think they're that exotic, especially since given the same amount of money, you could get a more interesting car.

[Energy]

They are good cars but they don't make me take a second look at them. I'll be like, "Oh, a Porsche, that's cool" but that's it. Kind of like an M3 or an S5.

Now a ferrari or a lambo might make me do a double take.

[ruthless]

saw porsche panamera S today in brown, and was like meh nice Porsche
see orange Lamborghini gallardo (at superstore, lol), o shit a lambo!

-this was in surrey so not too many of either car around

[Manic!]

They all look the same.

[Qmx323]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Porsche_911SC_Slantnose_1982_1.jpg

[325isMSPORT]

drool slantnose...

[Volvo-brickster]

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/reviews/comparisons/11q3/2011_ferrari_458_italia_vs._2012_mclaren_mp4-12c_2011_porsche_911_gt2_rs-comparison_tests/gallery/2011_porsche_911_gt2_rs_photo_23/4447490-1-eng-US/2011_porsche_911_gt2_rs_101_2_cd_gallery.jpg

[k3mps]

omg if i saw a yellowbird in van

http://www.pbase.com/jeffdoble/image/71551340.jpg


:drool: :drool: :drool:

[ShanghaiKid]

its true, most non-car enthusiast people on the road wouldnt be able to tell a difference between a regular c4 and a turbo lol
i can't :okay:

neither could :noob:








































:troll:

[MWR34]

i would j in my p if i saw these in van.

http://pcarblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/rsr-3b.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SbW_-9tqcC4/TiSNWtbpMhI/AAAAAAAEu78/gS_gYpGEilI/s1600/p55.jpg


:sweetjesus::sweetjesus:

[vafanculo]

Porsches are more for car enthusiasts who appreciate a car for what its engine is. They don't have that aggressive look like lambo's, r8's, aston marten, etc which make the car stand out amongst every day traffic.

[cressydrift]

I love the fact they get no attention. That whats makes them the most desirable sports car for me. If you roll in a Ferrari you get every jack off asking you how much, how fast etc. Plus you can not replace the sound of a flat 6!!!!

PORSCHE PORN

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2011/08/takashi_full_1600.jpg

Its a good wallpaper if you click it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWcUFOOUcjA

[tonyvu]

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2008/07/14/23/31/2005_porsche_carrera_gt-pic-27392.jpeg

http://www.kewlwallpapers.com/images/wallpapers/ws_Carrera_GT_rear_1024x768-117884.jpeg


:sweetjesus::sweetjesus:

[Nlkko]

911s are made such that the owner could live with it everyday so you'd see more of them. They're also more discrete, not growling and in-your-face like Ferraris and Lambos.

Also there are a lot of Boxsters and Cayenes and those aren't supercars. All Ferarris and Lambos are supercars.

Also Porsches are known for their amazing chassis (go drive a boxster), not for their engines.

[Soundy]

its true, most non-car enthusiast people on the road wouldnt be able to tell a difference between a regular c4 and a turbo lol

:noob:

[k3mps]

930 Ruf CTR "Yellowbird" on nurburgring - YouTube

all you need is a yellowbird, a race track and lots of gas and tires

[124Y]

I've always loved Porsches and their design and heritage. :)

[donjalapeno]

911s are made such that the owner could live with it everyday so you'd see more of them. They're also more discrete, not growling and in-your-face like Ferraris and Lambos.

Also there are a lot of Boxsters and Cayenes and those aren't supercars. All Ferarris and Lambos are supercars.

Also Porsches are known for their amazing chassis (go drive a boxster), not for their engines.

this.

infact, you wouldn't believe how many porches( 911s/panamera, the more expensive models) are used as daily drivers in Germany. I went to frankfurt in the spring and their was a 911( also dozens and dozens of cheaper models like cayennes and boxster ) in every corner and they all looked dirty and beaten lol

proof...

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/250602_10150204649077692_509137691_7017657_5421919 _n.jpg

[trollguy]

It's because Porsches aren't that rare. You couldn't buy a 458 right now even if you tried. If you somehow managed to find a wait list that wasn't a year in, you're going to be paying upward of $300k.

...while you can walk into a Porsche dealership with a bag of money and walk out with a 911.

That and Porsches are slightly douchey. I'm not saying all Porsches are driven by douches. I know some cool people here at RS that drive Porsches but just in general, when you imagine someone with a Porsche, they're middle aged dudes that get annoyed by your pronunciation of "Porsche", regardless of how close to correct it is.

I personally don't notice Porsches, really, unless it's a classic or a CGT. 911s aren't rare. I don't even particularly think they're that exotic, especially since given the same amount of money, you could get a more interesting car.

What a stupid comparison. You're comparing availability of a 458 to a regular Carrera? Porsche has a shitload of models, which model did you try buying with a bag of cash?

And what's your thoughts on Ferrari owners with their all Ferrari attire?

[Blinky]

this.

infact, you wouldn't believe how many porches( 911s/panamera, the more expensive models) are used as daily drivers in Germany. I went to frankfurt in the spring and their was a 911( also dozens and dozens of cheaper models like cayennes and boxster ) in every corner and they all looked dirty and beaten lol


Tons of 'em are used as dailies in Vancouver as well. Try being around Marine Drive @ Taylor Way during rush hour.

As to the attention angle - I guess it depends on what sort of person you are. So many people, especially on this site, go apeshit over Lamborghini, but in my opinion, they are at heart more poseur car than performance car. This is not to say that they're slow, but they are designed to attract attention and scream OMG I AM IN AN EXOTIC CAR LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

(just waiting for Rich Sandor to throw his thoughts into this thread...)

[Soundy]

^Don't tell Marco911 he drives a COMMON car....

[FishTaco]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/jposse187/3final.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v639/jposse187/fc7fbd8f.jpg

:sweetjesus:

[hk20000]

http://images.eurotuner.com/eventcoverage/eurp_0704_37_z+tokyo_auto_salon+mid_night_club_por sche_turbo.jpg
Which is the inspiration of this:
http://www.plazajapan.com/product_images/o/178/4968728181325__62288_zoom.jpg
There's always the midnight porsche. The real deal is very impressive piece of kit tuned by Porsche AG (i.e. the whole car was shipped back to Porsche head quarters to have work done, and then shipped back to Japan) Kitami Jun can eat a load of dick.

[falcon]

saw porsche panamera S today in brown, and was like meh nice Porsche
see orange Lamborghini gallardo (at superstore, lol), o shit a lambo!

-this was in surrey so not too many of either car around

That's the guy who owns washworld on 72nd.

[hillmar]

Tons of 'em are used as dailies in Vancouver as well. Try being around Marine Drive @ Taylor Way during rush hour.

As to the attention angle - I guess it depends on what sort of person you are. So many people, especially on this site, go apeshit over Lamborghini, but in my opinion, they are at heart more poseur car than performance car. This is not to say that they're slow, but they are designed to attract attention and scream OMG I AM IN AN EXOTIC CAR LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

(just waiting for Rich Sandor to throw his thoughts into this thread...)
Well if I'm rich and bought I supercar I'd probly choose the one that screams OMG I AM IN AN EXOTIC CAR LOOK AT MEEEEeeeeeeeeeee! Why waste 150G+ on a car that doesn't do that. Its not like you gonna ever take that car to its limit on city streets. Heck most people with a lambo don't ever go faster on the street, then the guy in the civic that is driving his car like he stole it. Same reason why they would buy the biggest yacht, house, and private Jet they could afford.

[Nlkko]

Well if I'm rich and bought I supercar I'd probly choose the one that screams OMG I AM IN AN EXOTIC CAR LOOK AT MEEEEeeeeeeeeeee! Why waste 150G+ on a car that doesn't do that. Its not like you gonna ever take that car to its limit on city streets. Heck most people with a lambo don't ever go faster on the street, then the guy in the civic that is driving his car like he stole it. Same reason why they would buy the biggest yacht, house, and private Jet they could afford.

Ugh, you're one of those people... Textbook definition of poseurs. Poseurs in a lambo or poseurs in a civic, both are poseurs. There are plenty people who aren't interested in people looking at them and just want to be left alone.

[rriggi]

If you need a car for attention a Porsche isn't for you, except there's a ton of models that will make me look twice I know of. Its an everyday car that could give alot of the exotics a serious run for their money.

And one of my all time favorite photos...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/attachments/porsche-911-technical-forum/4429d1026657594-3-6-liter-flame-thrower-gemballa-fire.jpg

How cant that ask for attention?? :fullofwin:

[insomniac]

i love both old and new. i have a huge album of 911's haha.
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/45402_472952572344_513332344_6313833_2000349_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/41353_472703907344_513332344_6306410_1296158_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/45861_472705222344_513332344_6306548_3628875_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/40107_472704362344_513332344_6306458_3136570_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/41334_472704907344_513332344_6306519_7512382_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/41288_473147017344_513332344_6319006_5327401_n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/149201_10150104164327345_513332344_7103633_8230895 _n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/197286_10150218667042345_513332344_8231997_2029810 _n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/58295_478670417344_513332344_6445680_4748183_n.jpg

[!Aznboi128]

* fap fap fap fap... fap fap fap fap*
http://autocarcustom.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/2011-Porsche-911-GT3-RS-4.0.jpg

[Marco911]

911s aren't rare. I don't even particularly think they're that exotic, especially since given the same amount of money, you could get a more interesting car.

I'll bite: What's a more interesting car than a 911 for the same amount of $?

[Marco911]

All Ferarris and Lambos are supercars.


There are only a handful of Ferraris and Lambo models that aren't total garbage.

With a couple of notable exceptions, all Lambos made prior to when the company was purchased by Audi are garbage.

Ferrari F430 and up are decent...the vast majority prior to these models are crap.

Aggressive, swoopy stying doesn't = Great car.

[Death2Theft]

Looks like shit sounds like shit, yep porsche. Hell even the subbies boxer sounds better to me than the porsches 6.

[hillmar]

I'll bite: What's a more interesting car than a 911 for the same amount of $?

ummm the R8. Looks hella better too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaENG1vt6-Y

[Death2Theft]

Funny most people seem to think those were the ones with the most "soul". Modern lambos dont grab attention like old ones did in their prime.
Seeing the average porsche is no more "wow" than seeing a 3 series bmw.
As you can see most of the porsches people in this thread have posted arn't the kinda porsches you'd see everyday anyways.
There are only a handful of Ferraris and Lambo models that aren't total garbage.

With a couple of notable exceptions, all Lambos made prior to when the company was purchased by Audi are garbage.

Ferrari F430 and up are decent...the vast majority prior to these models are crap.

Aggressive, swoopy stying doesn't = Great car.

[Ronin]

I'll bite: What's a more interesting car than a 911 for the same amount of $?

A 911 Turbo is...what...$160k? Before you get to any options?

That puts you right between the two Aston Martin Vantages with the V8 at around $130 and the V12 at $190, as one example.

You can buy two GT-Rs. :fullofwin:

I think someone said R8. That starts at $135k.

I just don't find Porsches very interesting. They're not very unique either. You see them all the time in Vancouver. Sure, maybe they're different years but when they all look the same, I guess that doesn't matter.

That and I don't think they're very good looking. I actually find 911s sort of boring. They say the shape is classic but it looks its age against more modern, contemporary looking cars in that price range. I wouldn't buy one given the money over the other options. I'd take the Aston if I wanted something good looking. I'd buy an M5 (around the same price range...$150k for a 2012?) if I wanted a supercar in a family car body.

That and I don't know how I would ever justify buying a 911 Turbo over a GT-R which is just as quick, if not quicker, produces pretty much the same numbers and cost half as much...or about as much as a base model 911.

[bloodmack]

:haha:
http://car-modifications.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/VW-Beetle-2011-finally-received-treatment-in-the-style-of-the-Porsche-911-GT3-RS.jpg
VW Beetle 2011, finally received treatment in the style of the Porsche 911 GT3 RS | car modifications (http://car-modifications.com/vw-beetle-2011-finally-received-treatment-in-the-style-of-the-porsche-911-gt3-rs.html)

[AWDTurboLuvr]

http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/porsche/1976-911/fe/porsche_1976-911_f34_fe_907102_1600.jpg
One of the coolest men drove this one. Porsche makes great sports car that are built for everyday driving, switchbacks and laps at the track...more importantly, they are accessible to not just the ultra-rich.

To me, the lack of attention one might get while driving one is a plus.

[observer]

That and I don't know how I would ever justify buying a 911 Turbo over a GT-R which is just as quick, if not quicker, produces pretty much the same numbers and cost half as much...or about as much as a base model 911.

Maybe they have fixed the gear box now, but somehow I don't find Nissan cars too reliable, including the GT-R, with that clunky drive train which isn't particularly confidence inspiring. Safety is actually another consideration, as well as interior fit and finish. I don't need nappa leather everywhere but the car must not smell too much like plastic if priced at $100k.

At the end of the day, like someone who said earlier, Porsche cars are for enthusiasts who want a reliable, solid piece of German engineering which is fairly economical to maintain. Many Porsche 911 or Boxster owners put on snow tires and drive their car all year round.

They find them relatively cheap and practical, it is the wrong car if you want the maximum curb appeal. The lack of attention is a strength for those who enjoy speeding a little.

But then, some will prefer far louder, less common cars such as Aston Martins which really is to my opinion, more of a showoff car, similar to Maserati. Lots of money for the unique factor but little performance for the dollar.

Of course, the same people would have their sports cars orange, white, yellow or red too. Or with a matte finish, or with super loud exhaust and hello kitty headrests...

[bcrdukes]

A 911 Turbo is...what...$160k? Before you get to any options?

What kind of "options" are you talking about? Anything else is just excessive and unnecessary. Do you even know or understand the 911s spartan origins?

[Ronin]

I said that only to indicate base price for comparison. Easier than looking up fully loaded pricing on cars.

[Marco911]

[QUOTE=hillmar;7545510]ummm the R8. Looks hella better too.


Porsche 911 Turbo vs Nissan GT-R vs Audi R8 V10 - YouTube


The 911TT is faster than the R8 and more fun to drive than the GTR.

[Marco911]

Funny most people seem to think those were the ones with the most "soul". Modern lambos dont grab attention like old ones did in their prime.
Seeing the average porsche is no more "wow" than seeing a 3 series bmw.
As you can see most of the porsches people in this thread have posted arn't the kinda porsches you'd see everyday anyways.

I don't need to drive a shit car for people to go wow. I can drive a 911 which is a great vehicle and has a much better professional image than a lambo.

As far as 3-Series goes, they are a fun little mass market car but not really in the same league.

[Marco911]

A 911 Turbo is...what...$160k? Before you get to any options?

Your initial statement was that there are more interesting cars that can be had for 911 money. I didn't realize you were referring to Turbo money which increases the choices considerably.

The Aston Martin does not outperform a 911TT in any objective category. It is more of a GT car than a sports car. The V8 Vantage is an inferior car and it has the same issue that Boxster/Cayman has which is that it is not quite a DB9.

I'd take the Aston if I wanted something good looking. I'd buy an M5 (around the same price range...$150k for a 2012?) if I wanted a supercar in a family car body.

An M5 is a sporty car not a sports car. It is not a driver's car like a 911. Compare it to a Panemera Turbo S.


That and I don't know how I would ever justify buying a 911 Turbo over a GT-R which is just as quick, if not quicker, produces pretty much the same numbers and cost half as much...or about as much as a base model 911.

Easy. It's like choosing to wear a Rolex vs. a Seiko.

[7seven]

For the general public, Porsches probably don't grab that attention because it's a fairly common car nowdays, there's about 8 or 9 911s in the parking garage at my work.

[Glove]

I dont give any attention to any car thats slower than mine,

unless it has something really cool about it.

[Z3guy]

people who buy track focused porsches (turbos, GT3, GT3rs, GT2rs, etc) are buying them because they want the closest thing to a race car with a license plate. That's it...if you want a look at me car, go buy a lambo.

If you are spending $180K plus a porsche that looks like a $90K Carrera, I actually respect that more than buying a 04 Murc for $150K

I love Aston's too, but performance wise, they suck....perfect world would be a GT3RS and a Vantage Sport! Oh and a honda for your DD.

[Soundy]

I dont give any attention to any car thats slower than mine,

unless it has something really cool about it.

How about jet engines?

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/mustang-lounge/26466d1176751813-post-funny-rice-car-pictures-ricer-48377.jpg


Of course, this one really IS faster than ALL of you (yes, even faster than Marco):

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/galleries/images/7078/500x400/jet-powered-truck.jpg

[vitaminG]

Theres a one that definitely doesnt get my attention

http://www.modestorcclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Porsche-Cayenne-1.jpg

[Jermyzy]

Easy. It's like choosing to wear a Rolex vs. a Seiko.

I would take a Seiko Spring Drive or Seiko Credor watch over a Rolex any day :)

[Great68]

solid piece of German engineering

I don't get what's so special about "German" engineering.

My wife bought a super expensive German clothes iron. Large text said "MADE IN GERMANY" on the thing.

It died 2 months after the 1 year warranty was up.

I once had a German car, it was a fucking heap. I couldn't believe "German" engineers could have designed something so bad, almost like the parts were DESIGNED to fail after a certain period of time.

"German engineering" means nothing to me.

"Made in USA" doesn't hold any weight for me either.

[BlackZRoadster]

I would take a Seiko Spring Drive or Seiko Credor watch over a Rolex any day :)

Thats a bold statement, considering there are so many models of ROLEX. You'd pass on all of them for a spring drive or credor?

[dachinesedude]

porsche's are nice, but i hate those douches who think they're the shit driving their $10K late 90's boxster

[Glove]

I don't get what's so special about "German" engineering.

My wife bought a super expensive German clothes iron. Large text said "MADE IN GERMANY" on the thing.

It died 2 months after the 1 year warranty was up.

I once had a German car, it was a fucking heap. I couldn't believe "German" engineers could have designed something so bad, almost like the parts were DESIGNED to fail after a certain period of time.

"German engineering" means nothing to me.

"Made in USA" doesn't hold any weight for me either.



yup, anything made in germany I stay the hell away from

[donjalapeno]

^ :failed:

[JoshuaWong]

Ugh, you're one of those people... Textbook definition of poseurs. Poseurs in a lambo or poseurs in a civic, both are poseurs. There are plenty people who aren't interested in people looking at them and just want to be left alone.

Theres nothing wrong with catching people`s attention and super cars are made to do that and more. There are people who actually appreciate the car`s performance and the outrageous looks just adds to the whole exotic ownership experience.

[hillmar]

[QUOTE=hillmar;7545510]ummm the R8. Looks hella better too.





The 911TT is faster than the R8 and more fun to drive than the GTR.

Its seems even a porsche lover of the 911 is torn between it and the R8. Maybe you should take one out for spin and see if it changes your mind.:)
Top Gear - Porsche 911 Turbo VS Audi R8 V10 - YouTube

[Jermyzy]

Thats a bold statement, considering there are so many models of ROLEX. You'd pass on all of them for a spring drive or credor?

I'd take these over ANY rolex :)

http://www.watchgallery.eu/gallery/seiko-ananta-spring-drive-chronograph/seiko-ananta-spring-drive-chronograph-3.png

http://www.worldwatchreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/seiko-ananta-spring-drive-moon-phase-watch.jpg

http://people.timezone.com/mdisher/seiko/0602/sonnerie1lg.jpg

[Datsun]

An RWB'd 993 would get my attention REAL quick.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3658/29994821952524809563316.jpg

[firebird79_00]

Personally theyre just too common around here now, like the new camaro or challenger. They were great at first but now with the amount there are its just like so what theyre there. Also depends on where you go and see one, My cousin who came from England couldnt believe the amount over here compared to over there. Here he saw quite a few a day compared to maybe he sees one a week over there. Its also the fact that this is what we have grown up around that makes them that more "common"

[cressydrift]

Is it me or when you see a Porsche drive by or even on the streets, you don't get that "Wow! A porsche" type of feeling that it is supposed to generate?

:nicethread:

Everyone who failed you is :alone: anyway

[Leopold Stotch]

one of the ten cars i'd own if i was rich
http://bazpics.com/automotive/carshoots/images/main/Porsche930Turbo.jpg

[SuperSlowSS]

I have driven a few of the super cars(or close to it) on track: f430, scuderia, lp640, lp560, lp560 superleggera, clk63 black series, r8, db9, and a 997 turbo. (ok also a f458..but on the street, so I didn't push it much)

I am not the fastest in the 997 turbo...but it is one of the more challenging cars to drive fast and the power from that rear engine is something else coming out of tight corners. I think I enjoy driving the 997 turbo the most out of all those cars. Sound wise.... I have to give it to the f458. :)

[jello24]

Porsche 911s still grab my attention, since it is one of my dream cars. Same goes for any Ferrari, and the Aston Martin DB9. DB9s will always grab my attention.

It's the Lamborghinis that have lost that magic touch for me though. Maybe because i've seen the one parked in Aberdeen store way too often, maybe it's the number of Lambos i've seen driving around in a sunny day in Vancouver. It's too common for an "exotic" car now...

[Marco911]

The takeway here is that the ones who praise the 911s have driven them, while the ones who criticize them are the pedestrians that "ooh and ahh" at swoopy styled, unique cars.

[snowball]

http://www.motorcars-intl.com/images/Porsche/993_911_Twin_Turbo_S/554_M-4154/full/Porsche_993_911_Twin_Turbo_S_3.jpg

993 Turbo S, gets me going whenever i see one... which is never.

[Ronin]

The takeway here is that the ones who praise the 911s have driven them, while the ones who criticize them are the pedestrians that "ooh and ahh" at swoopy styled, unique cars.

I don't see why that matters. It could be the best car in the world to drive but I still don't want one. It wouldn't matter if the exhaust produced nothing but unicorns and the dashboard was made of cocaine...I just have zero desire to own a 911. I'm well aware they're good to drive...I'm sure quite a few of the top times at the Nuremburg Ring are held by various 911s...but that still doesn't make me want one. Do you pick a girlfriend by seeing which girl can make a sandwich the fastest?

To me, 911s just look like squashed Beetles with a bit more trim. If you like it, that's great...but I'll never be convinced that car is good looking. And yes, I have driven a 911. On a road...where most of us drive 95% of the time. It's a great car to drive, I agree but it just doesn't do anything for me.

[death_blossom]

Do you pick a girlfriend by seeing which girl can make a sandwich the fastest?

don't you?

[Marco911]

I don't see why that matters. It could be the best car in the world to drive but I still don't want one. It wouldn't matter if the exhaust produced nothing but unicorns and the dashboard was made of cocaine...I just have zero desire to own a 911. I'm well aware they're good to drive...I'm sure quite a few of the top times at the Nuremburg Ring are held by various 911s...but that still doesn't make me want one. Do you pick a girlfriend by seeing which girl can make a sandwich the fastest?

To me, 911s just look like squashed Beetles with a bit more trim. If you like it, that's great...but I'll never be convinced that car is good looking. And yes, I have driven a 911. On a road...where most of us drive 95% of the time. It's a great car to drive, I agree but it just doesn't do anything for me.

So when you said that there were "more interesting" cars in the 911's price range, you were merely referring to styling?

A true enthusiast considers the technical and engineering aspects as well as the subjective emotional aspects. The 911 checks all these boxes. If you're evaluating a car the way a poseur would, then you might look for something that has more style than substance.

[Great68]

don't you?

I'd rather have a tasty sandwich over a quick sandwich.

[spyker]

don't you?

I usually pick the girl who can such dick the best.


:troll:

[Z3guy]

Once manumatics (dual clutch and smg style) became the norm, any idiot with a driver's licence can drive a lambo, ferrari, porsche, etc. Porsche Turbos, Ferraris, even M3s were standard transmission only....this really weeded out poseur drivers before.....I applaud Porsche staying true to driving enthusiasts and offering a 7sp manual....might not be the fastest tranny, but definitely will be the most enjoyable.

[PJ]

OP, "attention" is based mostly on looks and noise. When most people have their heads turned by a car, it's not because they know how much horsepower it has, or how well the car shifts gears. They just see a slick shiny car that makes loud noise.

Only car enthusiasts and people in the "know" will have their heads turned by Porsches. People who aren't into cars, see no difference between a Carerra and a Boxster. Sometimes I see a 997 drive by, and hear people say "What's that? Nevermind, it's just a Porsche."
Personally I think the Boxster kind of put a dent in their status. You literally see one on every block.

Everyone will have their heads turned by a Lambo. Enthusiasts, non-enthusiasts, girls, guys, moms, dads, young, old, cats, dogs.

Driveability is a whole other story and has nothing to do with getting attention.

[JoshuaWong]

I don't see why that matters. It could be the best car in the world to drive but I still don't want one. It wouldn't matter if the exhaust produced nothing but unicorns and the dashboard was made of cocaine...I just have zero desire to own a 911. I'm well aware they're good to drive...I'm sure quite a few of the top times at the Nuremburg Ring are held by various 911s...but that still doesn't make me want one. Do you pick a girlfriend by seeing which girl can make a sandwich the fastest?

To me, 911s just look like squashed Beetles with a bit more trim. If you like it, that's great...but I'll never be convinced that car is good looking. And yes, I have driven a 911. On a road...where most of us drive 95% of the time. It's a great car to drive, I agree but it just doesn't do anything for me.

911s are nothing really special, and the lesser Cayman R drives nearly if not just as well. I am sure there are better feeling and better handling cars out there. But gotta praise Porsche though for stubborn sticking to the same formula for ages and never give up.

[Ronin]

So when you said that there were "more interesting" cars in the 911's price range, you were merely referring to styling?

A true enthusiast considers the technical and engineering aspects as well as the subjective emotional aspects. The 911 checks all these boxes. If you're evaluating a car the way a poseur would, then you might look for something that has more style than substance.

I never thought I'd be called a poser by Marco911. :idl

Interesting means interesting. It doesn't mean styling. It doesn't mean technical. It doesn't mean engineering. None of that. It means a car that piques my interest. It doesn't matter if it's the best car on the planet or the worst. The Jaguar E-Type is an awful car by today's standards but it's still interesting. The Fiat 500 is a more interesting car than a Civic.

Even the way you're talking about it is boring me. "My Porsche is a technical and engineering achievement. I can do zero-to-60 in 4.5 seconds with my 321 horsepower."

If I was spending more than $100k on a car, I would definitely put more thought into style over substance. Why would you spend that much money to sit in a slightly larger and flatter VW Beetle that looks like every other car Porsche has made since 1963? I'd want something that looks like the money I put into it because that technical prowess isn't going to matter dick for pretty much all the time when you're driving on roads with speed limits.

[InvisibleSoul]

LoL... I'm with Ronin on this one. He has pretty much described my thoughts about Porsches as well. I have never had any interest in Porsches at all, except for the Carrera GT.

[Z3guy]

911s are nothing really special, and the lesser Cayman R drives nearly if not just as well. I am sure there are better feeling and better handling cars out there. But gotta praise Porsche though for stubborn sticking to the same formula for ages and never give up.

Cayman R is arguably the best handling car period....any price pt below $300k....do you know any car out there that would feel better than a Cayman R, not including GT3RS.

The only car that I think will handle and feel better than a Cayman R is a Mclaren.

[bcrdukes]

I'd want something that looks like the money I put into it because that technical prowess isn't going to matter dick for pretty much all the time when you're driving on roads with speed limits.

So a Civic or Corolla is just as good, right? If not, better?

[Ronin]

Cayman R is arguably the best handling car period....any price pt below $300k....do you know any car out there that would feel better than a Cayman R, not including GT3RS.

The only car that I think will handle and feel better than a Cayman R is a Mclaren.

Lotus would like a word with you. Exige and the Cayman R are roughly the same price? Elise is like $60k or so?

As would the Ariel Atom...even if it isn't available around here...and has no windshield but still.

[Ronin]

So a Civic or Corolla is just as good, right? If not, better?

...so you think Civics and Corollas look like R8s now?

I have a really hard time believing that a 911 in the price range of a GT-R (a Carerra S?) is significantly better at handling or speed than the Nissan.

[Z3guy]

If I was spending more than $100k on a car, I would definitely put more thought into style over substance. .

this is the definition of a poseur. I guess I am the opposite of you. The reason I love my GT3 is becuase if you don't much about cars, it looks like any other pcar out there, nothing visually special.....actually I sometimes see people laugh at my park bench attached to my rear.........I think they believe I stole it off a civic.

[PJ]

Lotus would like a word with you. Exige and the Cayman R are roughly the same price? Elise is like $60k or so?


I was waiting for someone to play the Lotus card.

[Z3guy]

Lotus would like a word with you. Exige and the Cayman R are roughly the same price? Elise is like $60k or so?

As would the Ariel Atom...even if it isn't available around here...and has no windshield but still.

I have driven an Exige....awesome, awesome car, but overall I still think the Cayman R is a superior car is every way. Exige has great feel but lacks power to exploit the chassis.

[bcrdukes]

...so you think Civics and Corollas look like R8s now?

I have a really hard time believing that a 911 in the price range of a GT-R is significantly better at handling or speed than the Nissan.

Hey, if it's technical prowess isn't going to matter dick all, why do looks even have to matter at this point onwards?

You are the textbook definition of a poser.

[Ronin]

I have driven an Exige....awesome, awesome car, but overall I still think the Cayman R is a superior car is every way. Exige has great feel but lacks power to exploit the chassis.

Fair enough. I've only driven the Elise.

Hey, if it's technical prowess isn't going to matter dick all, why do looks even have to matter at this point onwards?

You are the textbook definition of a poser.

Because I said for the money, I would have something better looking. I have a tough time believing all this talk of Porsche engineering is really that much better than equivalent cars on a day-to-day basis...or anywhere. I don't know who here is going to tell me they would rather have a Civic over a 911...that would just be stupid. That has happened a total of 0 times. No one is comparing a 911 to a Corolla...we're comparing them to other cars in the same price range. Who would be so stupid to think that was even a possibility?

The argument is that is I was given the choice between a 911 Turbo and an R8, is the 911 going to be so much better than the R8 that I would pick the Porsche instead of a car I actually want to look at...not that Porsches are worse than Hondas. What in the fuck are you thinking?

[BlackZRoadster]

Some of my professional clients come in Porsches and its completely professionalism. If they pull in a ferrari or lambo, it's almost like this guy is a douche or a try hard to impress. Not very professional to bring to a meeting.

[Z3guy]

^ any dude showing up to a biz meeting in a lambo or ferrari is just plain stupid.

[bloodmack]

944 Turbo and Carrera's are the only porsches I like. I respect them as being DDable. I've seen GT3 Porsches with ontario plates in BC.


Some of my professional clients come in Porsches and its completely professionalism. If they pull in a ferrari or lambo, it's almost like this guy is a douche or a try hard to impress. Not very professional to bring to a meeting.

:Orly:

[Cman333]

I dunno maybe it's just Vancouver, but I don't really wow at any "exotic" anymore.

I tend to "WOW" at old school cars that are well maintained. Seems more rare than the Ferarri or Lambo nowadays. Plus there's alot more blood, sweat and tears put into it than just getting your mom/dad to buy an expensive car from a dealer. Plus I hate feeding the ego of the rich kids that own them.

I would spend more time looking at some custom car than say a stock Lambo.

I met one dude with the Lambo Murc and he was actually a die hard enthusiast. Like took another mortgage to own his dream car and he actually drives it, takes it on long cruises to the states, goes to the car meets, tracks it, does alot of maintenance himself, etc. He's a blue collar type of guy.

[Qmx323]

buddy who went to Atlanta said dudes were tripping balls seeing M3s and C63s...

granted they are pretty nice cars, living in Vancouver really spoils you in terms of overall wealth of the population

that being said just riding in a porsche is on another level in terms of how the chassis feels compared to other cars imo

[SuperSlowSS]

The argument is that is I was given the choice between a 911 Turbo and an R8, is the 911 going to be so much better than the R8 that I would pick the Porsche instead of a car I actually want to look at...not that Porsches are worse than Hondas. What in the fuck are you thinking?


I have driven both on the track. If it is just a regular R8...fuck yes you will want that 911 turbo. :) The r8 v8 isn't that fast....i say some what boring to drive. Maybe v10 is much better, but i have never driven it.

[hillmar]

Fair enough. I've only driven the Elise.


The argument is that is I was given the choice between a 911 Turbo and an R8, is the 911 going to be so much better than the R8 that I would pick the Porsche instead of a car I actually want to look at...not that Porsches are worse than Hondas. What in the fuck are you thinking?

I completely agree with you on this one.... The R8 spec for spec is a very close match to the 911T. Even professional drivers love the R8 even after driving the 911T, so when 2 cars are that closely matched and somebody picks the R8 over the 911T that makes him a pouser? The R8 looks better inside and out, and puts out numbers on the track that is respectable even up against the 911T. I guess these 3 editors need to re-read the porsche specs more closely before making their decision.
German Supercar Shootout! SLS AMG vs R8 V10 vs 911 Turbo - YouTube

[trollguy]

Probably because he said "I'd want something that looks like the money I put into it..."

But that's a fair statement to make. Some people just want a car to go from A to B.. others who are real car enthusiasts love driving, and will buy accordingly.

So to simplify, just picture a little HK girl in an R8. She only likes the style of it, and nothing more.

Then picture say.. an old man in a black GT3 with a park bench spoiler. You know he knows what's up.

[Nsane]

IMO, it is not Porsche's goal to make the flashiest and fastest cars. In fact, it would be a step in the wrong direction. To me, they are for people who admire it's simple beauty, the addicting sound of the flat-6, and it's steering precision. They are for people who just enjoy driving.

If you're a person who buys a car based on it's panty-dropping looks, 0-60 times, top speed, and horsepower numbers, Porsche is not for you.

[RRxtar]

good thing being one butt hair faster at the very edge of driveability is the number one reason i buy a car... wait. no its not.

i dont give the slightest fuck if car A is .1 seconds faster around X track than car B if, imo, car B looks better, fits better, and is more my style.

[donjalapeno]

i probably wouldnt a brand new Porsche but if i was looking to buy a sports car for 60-70g, a Porsche would definitely be on the top of my list. i mean who can resist this

2004 Porsche 911 GT3 (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/ctd/2528916965.html)

or this

2008 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 - WHITE on Red (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/2502985746.html)

orrrrrrrrr this

2005 PORSCHE 997 TechArt Sponsored Display Car local 1 owner vehicle (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/ctd/2471557714.html)

[Death2Theft]

Thats because it doesn't sound or look like a dime a dozen 911.
LoL... I'm with Ronin on this one. He has pretty much described my thoughts about Porsches as well. I have never had any interest in Porsches at all, except for the Carrera GT.

[JoshuaWong]

people just jealous that others are getting more attention or envy from others

guys driving flashy car = poseuers
girls wearing sexy clothes = sluts

total BS :stfu:

[ptrinh]

They just all look the same in a way.

[Cman333]

buddy who went to Atlanta said dudes were tripping balls seeing M3s and C63s...

granted they are pretty nice cars, living in Vancouver really spoils you in terms of overall wealth of the population

that being said just riding in a porsche is on another level in terms of how the chassis feels compared to other cars imo

My buddy that lives in the States had an Evo X, and he was saying he would get constant compliments and wows.

Over here.... people look at you like a kid that hasn't grown up.

[mac25]

since the question is about the apearence of a porshe and how i feel when seeing one my answer is no, don't really care to look.

now if you where asking me if i wanted one hell yes! they're a beautifuly engineered car.

the problem is they're kinda the civic of downtown, and most of the models look the same. the look is also dated and hasn't changed much in a long time.

[Rich Sandor]

LOL. I'm the biggest Porsche fanboi here and even I don't give a shit about looking at cars anymore. I think it's because I've driven so many now, if I can't take the car on a race course it doesn't crank my interest that much. I'm not much of a spectator.

[InvisibleSoul]

Some of my professional clients come in Porsches and its completely professionalism. If they pull in a ferrari or lambo, it's almost like this guy is a douche or a try hard to impress. Not very professional to bring to a meeting.

I would argue that the problem here is YOUR mentality on this. They might not be trying to impress or be douchey at all... a Ferrari might be their everyday car, just like how a Civic or IS350 is to others. Why are they being prejudiced to this negative stigma of being a douche or trying too hard to impress just because they drive a Ferrari?

[Z3guy]

^ it's called human nature, we all do it, you only have 1 chance to make a first impression. So, if someone showed up in a beat up civic, that doesn't leave an impression?

[BlackZRoadster]

I would argue that the problem here is YOUR mentality on this. They might not be trying to impress or be douchey at all... a Ferrari might be their everyday car, just like how a Civic or IS350 is to others. Why are they being prejudiced to this negative stigma of being a douche or trying too hard to impress just because they drive a Ferrari?

When you've dealt with enough ceo's, actress, directors, top realtors, lawyers, dr's etc you will know they have at least 2-3 cars to be having a Ferrari or Lamborghini. They choose not to drive in with those because they tell me "why would I drive such an attention grabber to a appointment". Those cars to them are meant for leisure for them.

If I was doing some charity work or work function I don't even like to drive the BMW there albeit it only being a 335. I drive my Mini to be low key
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[124Y]

Over here.... people look at you like a kid that hasn't grown up.

:okay:

[q0192837465]

When you are young and you can't afford a Porsche, you will pay a lot of attention to the people who drive them because in your mind, you want to be them. When you get older and you are able to afford one but you choose not to get it because other things in life take priority, you will start to look at them differently.

For me, my (realistic) dream car was a SLK and I always pay close attention to them. That's why I develop a fake sense that people pay a lot of attention to them because I do it. Now that I actually drive one as my dd, I realize how stupid I was because no one was actually paying attention but me. Everything is just in my head.

[Marco911]

When you are young and you can't afford a Porsche, you will pay a lot of attention to the people who drive them because in your mind, you want to be them. When you get older and you are able to afford one but you choose not to get it because other things in life take priority, you will start to look at them differently.

For me, my (realistic) dream car was a SLK and I always pay close attention to them. That's why I develop a fake sense that people pay a lot of attention to them because I do it. Now that I actually drive one as my dd, I realize how stupid I was because no one was actually paying attention but me. Everything is just in my head.

That's the SLK. The 911 comes with a very strong magnet.

[dangonay]

I've driven a shitload of high-end cars over the years including exotics. Some turn heads more than others, for sure, but the one car that literally had people snapping their necks when I drove by was a restored Delorean. A POS car, but still a head turner.
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[Redlines_Daily]

i probably wouldnt a brand new Porsche but if i was looking to buy a sports car for 60-70g, a Porsche would definitely be on the top of my list. i mean who can resist this

2004 Porsche 911 GT3 (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/ctd/2528916965.html)

or this

2008 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 - WHITE on Red (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/2502985746.html)

orrrrrrrrr this

2005 PORSCHE 997 TechArt Sponsored Display Car local 1 owner vehicle (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/ctd/2471557714.html)

On a side note: my friend is the former owner of that techart 997, he sold it to buy a 370z. He says the 370 is easier to drive fast around the track due to the oversteer in the porsche when braking. Resulted in better track time for him in the 370z.

That being said, porsche can be very fast around a track but it requires a very skilled driver to take full advantage of this car due to the engine being in the rear. You have to brake earlier into the corner, but you can also get on the gas sooner when exiting a corner.

[6insomnia9]

But does it have turbo? :fullofwin:

[BaoTurbo]

After looking at a lot of cars for years, cars are not just looks anymore. Its 10% looks 60% feel and 30% power. Porsche doesn't have all the fancy models for every line like Audi does, but every line has its own internal parts that make it different from each other. That is what completes a passion for driving and cars.

[alwaysideways]

LOL I came from Edmonton where any 6 series has WOW factor....still in love with all the high end cars here. Always will have love for the 911's

[toyota86]

Never liked Porsches. Don't like how they drive, look, engineered and how much they cost. However, I think the only Porsche that would cause me to have that WOW moment would be if a 959 drove by.

[q0192837465]

That's the SLK. The 911 comes with a very strong magnet.

Well, that's not really my point. My point is that most of the "attention" is simply in ur head.

[Ronin]

Well, that's not really my point. My point is that most of the "attention" is simply in ur head.

What Marco thinks of Porsches: :drool :fullofwin: :bowjerk:

What a lot of the rest of us think of Porsches: :wgaf: :whistle: :fuckthatshit:

[Marco911]

On a side note: my friend is the former owner of that techart 997, he sold it to buy a 370z. He says the 370 is easier to drive fast around the track due to the oversteer in the porsche when braking. Resulted in better track time for him in the 370z.

That being said, porsche can be very fast around a track but it requires a very skilled driver to take full advantage of this car due to the engine being in the rear. You have to brake earlier into the corner, but you can also get on the gas sooner when exiting a corner.

Your friend is either a shit driver or he fucked up his car with the aftermarket suspension. A 997 should destroy the 370Z on a track.

[Marco911]

Well, that's not really my point. My point is that most of the "attention" is simply in ur head.

I don't think you can compare the attention an SLK gets vs. a nice 911.

[Marco911]

What Marco thinks of Porsches: :drool :fullofwin: :bowjerk:

What a lot of the rest of us think of Porsches: :wgaf: :whistle: :fuckthatshit:

Who cares what the poseurs think? It's fun to call them out on it though.

[Marco911]

Never liked Porsches. Don't like how they drive, look, engineered and how much they cost. However, I think the only Porsche that would cause me to have that WOW moment would be if a 959 drove by.

And which Porsche have you driven? A beat up 914?

[Redlines_Daily]

Your friend is either a shit driver or he fucked up his car with the aftermarket suspension. A 997 should destroy the 370Z on a track.

What an ignorant comment

[Ronin]

I love that his argument basically is

"If you don't like this thing that I like, then there must be something wrong with you and not this thing I think is awesome and that makes you a stupidface."

I'm literally hearing this thread in my brain and it's like babies crying because we think their favorite toy is stupid.

[68style]

I love that his argument basically is

"If you don't like this thing that I like, then there must be something wrong with you and not this thing I think is awesome and that makes you a stupidface."

I'm literally hearing this thread in my brain and it's like babies crying because we think their favorite toy is stupid.

I have a different take on this thread -- this waste of a thread has been moving "forward" with the sole unwavering purpose of trying to convince you to like Porsche's... and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone gives a fuck whether you like a particular type of car or not.

[hillmar]

Your friend is either a shit driver or he fucked up his car with the aftermarket suspension. A 997 should destroy the 370Z on a track.

That also brings us to another point... I'm sure it will be alot cheaper to make the 370Z faster and better handling with the huge aftermarket options for the Nissan. Can someone say TD06S-20G twin turbo kit!! :)
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[Death2Theft]

Had a friend who met a girl at a club, she saw his car and the first thing she said was wow is that a boxster? He got soooo pissed 911turbo lolz.

[68style]

That also brings us to another point... I'm sure it will be alot cheaper to make the 370Z faster and better handling with the huge aftermarket options for the Nissan. Can someone say TD06S-20G twin turbo kit!! :)
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The problem is, if you had any experience modifying cars with any kind of significance (such as a kit like you mentioned) you'd know that the more you modify lower end cars to try to make them high end cars, the less driveable they become on a daily basis. Massive turbo lag (TD06!! haha...), laughably stiff suspension that destroys you over every bump... not to mention build times and the costs involved. Or saying goodbye to your warranty. I've been there before myself. Sounds like a good idea, requires passion in your idea to actually see it through with all the sacrifices you end up making.

You're paying for factory engineered from the getgo combination of everyday livability and performance combined when you buy a Porsche -- it's freaking fast the way it is and it's super comfy and quiet too.

Anyone can modify any car to be fast. You can buy a 1988 Ford Festiva for $200 and put a Taurus SHO engine in the back seat and beat a significant amount of cars around a track.

[Spin4G63]

I have a different take on this thread -- this waste of a thread has been moving "forward" with the sole unwavering purpose of trying to convince you to like Porsche's... and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone gives a fuck whether you like a particular type of car or not.

I my 10+ years on this site, this is the single most insightful post I have seen.:) ( car related)

I love the hell out of my Porsche and could care less what someone else thinks of my enjoyment.

[shenmecar]

^

10+ years?

Join Date: Feb 2002

Thats not even 10.........:troll:

[cressydrift]

NA 6cyl...
Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0 0-300 - YouTube

[Marco911]

What an ignorant comment

You used anecdotal evidence to argue your point and you have the audacity to claim my statement is ignorant?

If your friend had a techart 997 it is likely it was modified for style rather than performance. Aftermarket suspensions often make Porsches handle worse. It is easy to make a car look more aggressive or ride firmer. Porsche engineers spend 1000s of hours on the track and computer simulation models fine tuning the suspension for the chassis to give it the right handling balance.

A 370z is not in the same handling league as a 911. Never has been. Never will be.

[Marco911]

I love that his argument basically is

"If you don't like this thing that I like, then there must be something wrong with you and not this thing I think is awesome and that makes you a stupidface."

I'm literally hearing this thread in my brain and it's like babies crying because we think their favorite toy is stupid.

Last I checked this was a car enthusiast site and if you're a poseur hanging out here, then expect to be called out on it. You can't substantiate any of your arguments about why Porsches are bad consequently your opinions are worthless.

[Marco911]

I have a different take on this thread -- this waste of a thread has been moving "forward" with the sole unwavering purpose of trying to convince you to like Porsche's... and I can't for the life of me understand why anyone gives a fuck whether you like a particular type of car or not.

It's fun to debate the merits of different cars. Most of the younger generation that are just getting their driver's licenses are totally ignorant about what makes a car truly good. They fall for the marketing crap which tells them, that a car is great because it's a perfect appliance which have 5 iPod docks and can integrate google maps. That's bullshit. A great car is where your ass sits as low as possible to the road. A car where the steering and gearbox communicates mechanically to you and you can feel what every tire is doing. Where you can affect the balance of the car through minute adjustments of throttle and brakes. Where the engine isn't afraid to wail it's sonorous cylinder melody.

A shit car removes every aspect of driving involvement where there is no joy left from the machine because mfg tolerances are so loose that a layer of numbness is designed in so you don't feel how crappy the components and materials used to make the machine really are.

[Redlines_Daily]

LOL, I wasn't arguing any point! I was just telling a story about the car one of the members posted, Im actually a huge Porsche fan.

You made a judgement about my friend without knowing anything about him other than he can drive a 370 faster than he can drive a 911. He tracks regularly; perhaps he doesn't have the skill to drive a 911 at its absolute limits(who on the forum really does?) but that doesn't make him a shitty driver.

[Spin4G63]

^

10+ years?



Thats not even 10.........:troll:


2nd account:okay:

[twitchyzero]

When you've dealt with enough ceo's, actress, directors, top realtors, lawyers, dr's etc you will know they have at least 2-3 cars to be having a Ferrari or Lamborghini. They choose not to drive in with those because they tell me "why would I drive such an attention grabber to a appointment". Those cars to them are meant for leisure for them.

If I was doing some charity work or work function I don't even like to drive the BMW there albeit it only being a 335. I drive my Mini to be low key
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May be I'm just too young or don't work in the business sector.

If I had the money, I could care less if I show up in a Ferrari F430 or a Chrysler 300 at an appointment. If it's a nice sunny day and want to enjoy my time getting from point A to B why should I care what others think? Are you going to stop doing business with me if I decide to bring a flashy exotic car? Besides, it's not like the appointment is going take place inside your car. No one's probably even gonna see you getting out of your car so stop thinking so much about perception or impression if it's not an interview.

I agree with your example on the charity event though.

[hillmar]

The problem is, if you had any experience modifying cars with any kind of significance (such as a kit like you mentioned) you'd know that the more you modify lower end cars to try to make them high end cars, the less driveable they become on a daily basis. Massive turbo lag (TD06!! haha...), laughably stiff suspension that destroys you over every bump... not to mention build times and the costs involved. Or saying goodbye to your warranty. I've been there before myself. Sounds like a good idea, requires passion in your idea to actually see it through with all the sacrifices you end up making.
You're paying for factory engineered from the getgo combination of everyday livability and performance combined when you buy a Porsche -- it's freaking fast the way it is and it's super comfy and quiet too.
Anyone can modify any car to be fast. You can buy a 1988 Ford Festiva for $200 and put a Taurus SHO engine in the back seat and beat a significant amount of cars around a track.
I'm not talking about a ecobox modded to the extreme. I was talking about a pretty good modern day sports car (370Z) that is pretty fast, and handles pretty darn good and taking it up a notch. As for daily drivability I'm sure paying for adjustable aftermarket suspension , and a good controllable ecu system will make it a joy to drive as a DD and tuned up it will be just as fun on the tracks. I'm sure there is a few good tuner places around town that can take care of everything for you too! From parts, installation, warranty, maintenance... Still be cheaper then owning the Porsche.
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[death_blossom]

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but you're still going to be sacrificing a lot of ride quality and daily driveability of the 370Z.

reading this thread was somewhat interesting in the first two pages. now my head just hurts. :(

I heart Porsches, and you can't take that away from me. I remember as a kid in 1988-89 where I would egg my dad on to drive his 944turbo to 250kph and beyond lol! he told me a few kill stories back then on how he smoked a few 5.0L Mustangs in that car. pretty sweet in my opinion.

[Marco911]

LOL, I wasn't arguing any point! I was just telling a story about the car one of the members posted, Im actually a huge Porsche fan.

You made a judgement about my friend without knowing anything about him other than he can drive a 370 faster than he can drive a 911. He tracks regularly; perhaps he doesn't have the skill to drive a 911 at its absolute limits(who on the forum really does?) but that doesn't make him a shitty driver.

The 370Z can't take on a Cayman S, it will hardly be able to take on a 911.

Your friend's Techart 997 is also no longer factory spec, so who knows if there was a decrease in performance because of it. Even an average driver should be able to get more performance out of a 911 than a 370.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwPMWdMrg7g

[AWDTurboLuvr]

LOL, I wasn't arguing any point! I was just telling a story about the car one of the members posted, Im actually a huge Porsche fan.

You made a judgement about my friend without knowing anything about him other than he can drive a 370 faster than he can drive a 911. He tracks regularly; perhaps he doesn't have the skill to drive a 911 at its absolute limits(who on the forum really does?) but that doesn't make him a shitty driver.

I don't think your friend is a crappy driver, but was he just afraid to take the car to it's limits? Perhaps some formal lessons (I don't mean that as a dig, but after taking some real driving courses, it's an eye-opener) would have done your friend better than to trade in his P-car for the 370Z.

That being said, if you aren't comfortable taking the 911 to where it can (I certainly cannot), then I won't admonish him for stepping down into a easier car to drive...hell, I drive a FF car and when I pass P-cars @ Mission, I know it's not because I'm a better driver, but others haven't learned to handle the 911 yet. The good 911 drivers, all I see are their tail lights.

TBH, this thread proves that Porsches still garner attention...a bunch of dudes on a forum are having an argument about it.

[Blinky]

A great car is where your ass sits as low as possible to the road. A car where the steering and gearbox communicates mechanically to you and you can feel what every tire is doing. Where you can affect the balance of the car through minute adjustments of throttle and brakes. Where the engine isn't afraid to wail it's sonorous cylinder melody.


So, Lotus Elise?!

[Blinky]

May be I'm just too young or don't work in the business sector.

If I had the money, I could care less if I show up in a Ferrari F430 or a Chrysler 300 at an appointment. If it's a nice sunny day and want to enjoy my time getting from point A to B why should I care what others think? Are you going to stop doing business with me if I decide to bring a flashy exotic car? Besides, it's not like the appointment is going take place inside your car. No one's probably even gonna see you getting out of your car so stop thinking so much about perception or impression if it's not an interview.

I agree with your example on the charity event though.

I'm not much of a people person but I've started to learn about the power of perception in business relationships.

For a first impression, an exotic is, IMO, a poor choice. Our company was dealing with an executive of a family-held (well, at that time at least) forestry company who liked to show up to meetings in a Lambo. Whenever the topic of relationships came up with respect to this guy and this account, one of the first things that was mentioned was that this guy drove a lambo and was a bit of a playboy. In other words, it may have given others the perception, rightly or wrongly, that he was a playboy rather than a serious businessman...

For what it's worth, the company in question is no longer held by the company.

Was the company affected by exterior economic conditions? Certainly. Was the company affected by poor leadership decisions? Possibly. Was the company affected by a leader who was poorly perceived by outsiders? Possibly.

For such a large going concern, is such worth the risk?

[Shmee]

I just read this thread from start to finish... wow...


As someone that owns an older 911T, someone who is a licensed tech, someone who has worked on a myriad of cars; everything from beater civics to spending the last 5 years working on high end german cars, as someone who has built or had a major hand in some of the fastest p-cars in the LML and as someone who has worked for a professional Porsche race team i'll say this...

cars are just cars.
all cars have problems and none are without their own issues.
most guys with P-cars are just as dumb or smart as any other car owner.

the vast majority of p-car owners have no fucking clue what they are doing behind the wheel just like most other car owners from any other brand.

p-cars are one of the few cars out there that are hurt in terms of performance with aftermarket parts; most specifically when modified by one of the countless AZN-special shops that don't know dick all about the car; AJ-R, SR, etc...
i've seen TONS's of high end p-cars at the track with all the fancy suspension links and parts, hopped up on all sorts of fancy power adders and get their doors blown off by a basic stock motor NA 3.6L 996 built by someone that knows what they are doing and even in the hands of a novice driver.
buddy who traded in his "techart sponsored" 997 :rolleyes: for a 370Z, and got faster... probably the perfect example of this. that car, modified by someone that knows what to do would have been easier to drive and decimated the 370Z in the same drivers hands.

Porsches are amazing cars right out of the box but are simply one of the easiest cars to fuck up with aftermarket parts. (an aftermarket which in reality nears, even eclipses that of Honda.) with most other cars, there is enough disconnection that even poorly applied aftermarket parts will have a perceivable increase in performance even if it's just in your head. in a P-car the right parts set up poorly, and 99% of them are set up very poorly, will make the car scarier to drive and harder to control.

set up properly, it's the difference between surgery done by a palsy-victim with a chainsaw and a world-renound surgeon with a scalpel


on a strictly German comparison, Porsche is without a doubt the best built car (aside from their SUV POS), the most involving car to drive and over all the fastest cars you can play with on the streets coming out of Germany.
Audi's are shit in every way. people that praise them have likely never owned or worked on one or are so blinded by VAG-love to have never tried something different!
Merc's are over priced bardges and are about as fun to drive as a caddy.
BMW's are very nice cars but lost a lot of their soul over the years and are becoming more and more GT's than the sports cars they once were.

that said, if i was buying a car in the $80-120k range i'm either going for a BMW 550is or a Lexus LS460L. i like the drive and the potential of the 550, who can argue with +$10k and having a ~550-600whp V8-TT sedan. the LS would be just a matter of wanting a car that has everything but isn't a nightmare to own and maintain/service for a classy DD. i love the 997s but isn't what i'd be after and the Panamera doesn't offer as much fo the same price as the 550 or 460...

as a 911 owner, i tend not to see the attention or lack there of that the car may or may not generate. it's a hard driver, not a hard parker! most importantly, i don't really care about the attention. i'm not looking to placate my ego with a bunch of beiber-hair-styled asian boys gawking at my car or filthy skanks only interested in me because of my car. my car is hardly non-descript but i built it exactly the way i wanted it, it does exactly what it needs to do... be a shit load of fun to drive. it is sort of sad that the attention i do get from the car is NEVER from girls and almost always from middle-aged men... but it's those guys that get it, even if they have no idea what they are looking at.

one cool thing i like about the car is that those that do give it attention are always blown away when they find out it's an 88, most think it's a few years old... which is a testament to the staying power of the shape and styling... maybe the condition i have it in too! ;)

it all comes down to:

you either like that or you don't. don't waste your time trying to change minds. people simple enough to be influenced by the words of some twat online aren't likely the kind of people you need to be expending energy on anyways.
but the same goes with any other car... and is exactly why some of you drive civics and others drive celica's or... and hate on others!

style is subjective
taste is subjective
value is subjective

haters gonna hate
bitches gonna bitch
fanbois gonna dangle on nuts!

fuck it, fuck them and do your own thing!


**PHROZEN PHOTO**- Mitch's 1988 Porsche 930 Cabriolet - aka "Porker" [vid added] (http://dubberz.com/forum/index.php/topic,55441.0.html)
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My porker


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[Rich Sandor]

There have always been "poor man's Porsches" such as the 914 and 924, and 944, but since they were visually so distinctly different from the 911, they never had any effect on the perception of the stereotypical "Porsche" car, and the 911 had always retained that supercar status. Everyone went "whooooooaaaah" when a 911 turbo drove by.

Although the Boxster is a great car in every way, it has certainly contributed to the diminished exclusivity of owning a Porsche. Since the original Boxster and the original 996 shared a HUGE amount of parts, they became difficult to distinguish from one another. A $50,000 Boxster looked much like a $120,000 C4S cabriolet.

Now, if the Boxster had gone away after a few years, it would not have affected the 911 as much: But it didn't go away. It made Porsche a LOT of money, so it stayed. Not only did it stay, but every year Porsche sold more, and more, and more of them. Look at the numbers:

Porsche Group - Worldwide sales figures:
1995 - 21,124
1996 - 19,262
1997 - 32,383
1998 - 36,686
1999 - 43,892
2000 - 48,797
2001 - 54,586
2002 - 54,234
2003 - 66,803
2004 - 76,827
2005 - 88,379
2006 - 96,794
2007 - 97,515
2008 - 98,652

Porsche Cars North America Sales (US and Canada only)
Year Units
1986 30,471 - 944 turbo introduced
1987 23,632 - (October 1987 - Black Monday, start of the largest recession since 1929)
1988 15,737 - (aka: the S&L crisis - 747 out of 3224 saving & loans companies fail)
1989 9,479 - (new homes built in the US fall from 1.8mil to 1.0mil.. worst since ww2)
1990 9,140 - (Gulf war and spike in oil prices)
1991 4,388
1992 4,131 - 944 series becomes the 968
1993 3,713
1994 5,820
1995 6,078 - 928 and 968 production ends
1996 7,524
1997 13,731
1998 18,207 - Boxster introduced
1999 21,915 - 996 model 911 introduced
2000 23,698
2001 24,143 - 996 turbo introduced (Sept 11 2001.. has little affect on Porsche profits)
2002 22,511 - Cayenne introduced
2003 30,028
2004 33,289
2005 33,859 - Cayman introduced
2006 36,095
2007 36,680
2008 27,717 (HUGE US financial crisis, Porsche profits drop 14%)
2009 U.S. only: 19,696 - Panamera introduced
2010 U.S. only: 25,320

Without the Boxster and Cayenne, Porsche would not be as profitable as it is today. Profit is good, because it brings money for R&D to build even better cars. Moreso the fact that the Porsche Holdings board is chaired by enthusiasts and not just financial money managers.

If Porsche stayed with just the 911, securing the exclusivity of the model, the company might very well be dead today.

[bcrdukes]

Audi's are shit in every way. people that praise them have likely never owned or worked on one or are so blinded by VAG-love to have never tried something different!

Sig'ed and thank you!

[Shmee]

lol, no problem.

but they are... Audi's are shit cars. anyone that says different doesn't know what they are talking about. Even my friends who are Audi/VW techs and Enthusiasts concede how poor they actually are to own and maintain!

don't get me wrong, many of them are amazing to drive and between 20k-70k are decent enough cars to own. (I had an Allroad and was a very nice drive. was $87k when new in 01, we picked it up for $69k with 16k on the clock after only 8 months, drove it to 75K, shit started to go wrong and traded it in for $14.5k in 07... for those keeping score at home, that's $70+k of depreciation in 6 years! i've seen them as cheap as $6k in "decent shape" over the last few months!) but if you buy one new from the lot, expect the proverbial kick in the teeth as it drops anywhere from $5k -20k (depending on the car) in value the moment you drive it off the lot! if you buy one used or keep it past 80K, all the "engineered to fail" parts begin to go wrong. with the standard 96k service, where most of those parts really begin to fail, i have seen numerous A3/A4 Audi's with repair bills starting around $3k; averaging around $4-6k; and as not uncommonly high as $12k on S4/A5/A6s.. S5/S6 those numbers increase typically be a factor of 1.5 ! get into the RS-series cars, A8/S8 cars and R8's and those numbers can easily triple! not to mention the Electronics tend to develop issues after 100k, the depreciation is REDONKULOUS on cars 5+years old or out of warranty...


Not to say Porsches are inherently cheaper, and besides the POS gen1 Watercooled flat6 engines found in Boxsters and early 996s, they are for the most part infinitely more reliable. Aircooled's and 997's are definitely the cars to buy and Aircooled's typically hold their value extremely well. most of the older aircooled stuff still sells for similar money as it did 5 years ago. many of which are even increasing in value!

Mercs are well known for having crippling electrical issues and nagging mechanical problems from around 99-06/07. many cars spent more time in the shop than on the road... there is a reason why AMG E55's can be had for basic 3-Series money today!

Aside from the recession in the US, BMWs and Porsches are still the german cars to buy... only problem is that the recession and people fire-saling everything has artificially push the price of these cars down enough that douchebags who can now *JUST* afford these cars, buy them in the US, bring them across the boarder and contribute to the negative stereotypes associated with them... the "asshole in a Boxster/M3/S4/etc!" that is, until the repair bills roll in and the $500 basic front brake job, $800+ tires and $1500 routine service forces them to shelf the cars! :failed: :lol:

if all you were after was curb appeal, that doesn't make you a poser at all.......





























....it just means you have a really small dick! :rofl: