[parm104]

RCMP confirm Jonathan Bacon, the eldest of three brothers police have linked to a violent gang, died in a shooting Sunday that also injured a Hells Angel.

Mounties have pledged to take "swift and extraordinary measures" to find those responsible for the brazen daylight shooting in Kelowna Sunday.

One person was killed and another five were injured when a white Porsche SUV that was pulling out of the Delta Grand Okanagan hotel was targeted by an unconfirmed number of gunmen at around 2:45 p.m.

Police have said both men and women were inside the SUV when it was ambushed. The five surviving occupants were rushed to hospital but the severity of their injuries is unknown.

At a press conference Sunday night, RCMP Const. Steve Holmes assured that the general public is not believed to be at risk –- but said investigators are determined to hunt down the suspects and bring them to justice.

"The public needs to know that swift and extraordinary measures are being taken in order to ensure that those responsible will be found and brought to account," Holmes said.

Police say no bystanders were struck by stray gunfire or otherwise injured in the shooting.

The suspects are believed to have emerged from a vehicle described as a "silvery-green SUV" with tinted windows moments before the shooting.

One witness said the shooters held what "looked to me like automatic weapons," and that between 15 and 20 shots were fired. Another reported hearing 30 shots, or "at least one full clip," unloaded into the Porsche.

On Sunday night, a burned-out vehicle was found on a back road between Winfield and Vernon, but police have not confirmed whether it is related to the shooting.

The Bacon brothers are believed to head the Red Scorpions gang, which has been fighting a bloody war with the United Nations gang in B.C. for years.

Jamie Bacon is in police custody as a suspect in the Surrey Six murder case. Brother Jarrod was arrested in 2008 as part of a major drug trafficking investigation. The three brothers grew up together in Abbotsford.

Mounties are expected to release more information on Sunday's shooting at a press conference Monday afternoon.

Source:
CTV British Columbia - RCMP confirm Jonathan Bacon killed in shooting - CTV News (http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110815/bc_kelowna_shooting_response_110815/20110815/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome)

[SFUguy]

i'm hungry for bacon

[teddyah]

http://i.imgur.com/eSX5q.gif

[6insomnia9]

so??

[AutozamAZ-3]

mmmm baconator
http://blog.rifftrax.com/wp-content/uploads/homer-drooling.jpg

[EmperorIS]

That 70's show - Bacon - YouTube

[dangonay]

Good riddance.
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[XplicitLuder]

the guy from H.A went to my gym..he was my idol! jkjk lol but in all seriousness, even if the RCMP don't do anything , im sure RS will lol i smell world war 3 :gun:

[Hondaracer]

there is a shootings thread with many posts already on this

[dlo]

gang war part 2?

[keitaro]

Bacon Bacon Truck! - Epic Meal Time - YouTube

[parm104]

so??

So? This is a big event related to gang violence. There have been issues revolving around these gangs for many years now and whether its drug trafficking or shootings, this can effect us and our community. So unless you've been livinig under a rock or simply think you're too tough to be affected in any way by this, I would think knowing about this incident would be somewhat useful.

Its better to be aware and educated on what's going on in your community than to be ignorant and naive. Especially when things like semi automatic weapons are being used to kill people I'm public areas. I'm sure you would be interested in this story if you and your family was nearby and could've potentially gotten hurt by a stray.
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[6insomnia9]

The choices he has made lead him the down this road, sure you can say it is a big event, but even if one leader was shot down , there will be a thousand other guys waiting in line for the top position. There will always be drug trafficking and shooting as long as there is money to made and guns being produced, there is no stopping that.

[RRxtar]

just for you guys who have never been farther east than abbotsford. the place this shooting happened, is about the busiest place in kelowna, especially in the middle of a sunday afternoon. theres thousands of tourists and residents walking around there at any given time. its in front of our biggest destination hotel, casino, arena, several restaurant patios and major downtown gathering place. imagine someone gunning down a car in your busiest area of yaletown in the middle of a sunny sunday afternoon.

im fucking pissed!

[nowaythisistake]

So the big question is...now that Bacon got fried, who eggsactly can be considered responsible...who made Bacon toast?

Could it be the work of a cereal killer?, or did one of his adversaries ketchup to him? was it a professional or a hamateur?

Hopefully, the RCMP are grilling suspects as we speak.

lol from the vancouver sun comments

[Berzerker]

Yep if there is a center hub of Kelowna this is where it is. The court house is half a block away, there is a super busy restaurant on the water and not to mention the people staying at the Hotel which is the nicest hotel in K-town. Not cool. Can't believe no bystanders were hit and ONLY the target died.

Berz out.

[RRxtar]

ya its nuts. very lucky no stray bullets hit anyone. the reports are the guy was 'shooting from the hip' and went thru a 'full clip' or 20-30 rounds.

if you can do that, and only hit the guy you want to hit, and no one else, i want you in my COD hardcore mode clan. :troll: musta been running steady aim

[seakrait]

the other thing to note is that Larry Amero, a full-patch member of the HA, was hit too. the people that did this will/may now incur the wrath of the Hells Angels as well. Independent Soldiers, Red Scorpions, Hells Angels, etc. Bang bang bang. this will NOT go away quietly.

[RRxtar]

crazy things you find when you google.

looked up Larry, found this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_56VAahgVSAo/TDT4-ULFV6I/AAAAAAAAA4g/UpT-IG9mxTQ/s1600/PressureGuys.jpg

Larry far right, Kalib Starns beside him. Madchild in front.





good site to see who knows who:

http://gangstersout.blogspot.com/2011/08/jonathan-bacon-shot-dead-in-kelowna.html

[vitaminG]

apparently they pulled a random driveby in another part of town to divert police resources before they carried out this hit. They also got that truck burned pretty quick so it sounds like it was well planned, not some amateurs.

[StylinRed]

rumors are (lots of similar comments) it was the HA that had the hit carried out because this larry guy et al were going against/plotting to go against the ha but as with most comments they're probably just bs

[seakrait]

crazy things you find when you google.

looked up Larry, found this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_56VAahgVSAo/TDT4-ULFV6I/AAAAAAAAA4g/UpT-IG9mxTQ/s1600/PressureGuys.jpg

Larry far right, Kalib Starns beside him. Madchild in front.

good site to see who knows who:

Gangsters Out Blog: Jonathan Bacon shot dead in Kelowna Larry Amero injured (http://gangstersout.blogspot.com/2011/08/jonathan-bacon-shot-dead-in-kelowna.html)

more info here: Gang Member Registry (http://www.gangstersout.com/registry.htm) basically a public who's who listing of gang members...

[parm104]

The choices he has made lead him the down this road, sure you can say it is a big event, but even if one leader was shot down , there will be a thousand other guys waiting in line for the top position. There will always be drug trafficking and shooting as long as there is money to made and guns being produced, there is no stopping that.

Once again, I think you're a little confused about the purpose of having a thread like this (although as mentioned, it's already being discussed in the "Shootings Thread".)

"The choices he has made lead him down this road"...No one in here is saying "RIP" or "oh man, what a shame." It's not about MOURNING a death, it's about educating yourself and being aware of a current event.


"There will be a thousand other guys waiting in line for the top position." Yes, HOWEVER, just because there are lots of people waiting in line to be in the top position and just because one head cut off will let another one grow, doesn't mean that there won't be other consequences as a result.

Regardless of what I say or do, your narrow-minded thinking won't change. But I'll make one last effort anyways. Yes, drugs are trafficked and murders are committed all the time. However, this was a high-profile murder and as a result the stakes will be raised higher. More security will be issued within the gangs, meaning more guns on the streets. More vendettas will be raised meaning even more gang-violence...MORE people in the public will be at risk because no way know that these people have no fear of where they are killing each other or who knows it.

The stakes have been raised regardless of whether these events occur every day. It's simple. Not really a hard concept to grasp...

[Meowjin]

crazy things you find when you google.

looked up Larry, found this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_56VAahgVSAo/TDT4-ULFV6I/AAAAAAAAA4g/UpT-IG9mxTQ/s1600/PressureGuys.jpg

Larry far right, Kalib Starns beside him. Madchild in front.





good site to see who knows who:

Gangsters Out Blog: Jonathan Bacon shot dead in Kelowna Larry Amero injured (http://gangstersout.blogspot.com/2011/08/jonathan-bacon-shot-dead-in-kelowna.html)

Kim Bolan reports that the niece of a Haney Hells Angel was present and wounded in the shooting. Fortunately she was just shot in the leg. We hear too many stories of pretty young girls getting shocked when they're out with their gang member boyfriend and a car pulls up shooting at their boyfriend. Obviously the girlfriends are innocent yet it's impossible to be in that association and not know where all that money comes from.


lol half the girls i know

[Tapioca]

The fact that the hit happened in broad daylight in one of the busiest areas of Kelowna was symbolic in itself: no one in the gang community is safe anywhere or any time.

[StylinRed]

rumors are (lots of similar comments) it was the HA that had the hit carried out because this larry guy et al were going against/plotting to go against the ha but as with most comments they're probably just bs


"Wolf Pack" Members Targeted in Kelowna Shooting


Red Scorpion Jon Bacon, Hells Angel Larry Amero and Independent Soldier James Riach, among a few others, had formed a new alliance they dubbed the Wolf Pack. And all three gangsters were present when masked gunmen opened fired in Kelowna Sunday afternoon. Bacon was killed, as you all well know. Amero was shot several times, but is expected to survive and Riach was hit, according to witnesses, but managed to flee the scene and has not been located by police.

The Wolf Pack was not successful in keeping its pack members safe. Police are now trying to figure out if it was the alliance that led enemies to target the vehicle in which Bacon, Amero and Riach were riding. It could also be that any one of the trio was individually targeted.

so they did create their own crew maybe that adds more credence to those comments

"Wolf Pack" Members Targeted in Kelowna Shooting - The Real Scoop (http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/realscoop/archive/2011/08/15/quot-wolf-pack-quot-members-targeted-in-kelowna-shooting.aspx)

[jlenko]

Ironic.. how the gang lifestyle hands out stiffer penalties than our justice system does.

If you're gonna play.. well. You know.

[murd0c]

everyone know it's only a one man wolf pack :troll:

[drunkrussian]

wow wolfpack eh? if thats true i wonder how long the surviving guy has until they get him too
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[white_guilt]

I've actually met the guy and he was actually hella chill. Obviously he chose the wrong path in life and it caught up to him, I was surprised at how OK he was.

[Manic!]

The real Wolf pack

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/n/nwo/24.jpg

[icemiko]

I was around the area where the shooting occurred 5 days ago.

[king_2011]

http://file.vustv.com/AdmRMISClOFWD.jpghttp://tomchie.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/macho-man-nwo-wolfpac-jpeg.jpgThe real Wolf pack

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/n/nwo/24.jpg

^thats NWO black& white, my pic above yours is the true wolf pack in red

[minoru_tanaka]

I was around the area where the shooting occurred 5 days ago.

I was around the area where the shooting occurred 5 weeks ago.

[BlackZRoadster]

I was around the area where the shooting occurred 5 days ago.

I was staying at that hotel couple months back too
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[Groot]

I was around the area where the shooting occurred 5 weeks ago.

i was around the area where the shooting occured 5 years ago. :troll:

[minoru_tanaka]

i was around the area where the shooting occured 5 years ago. :troll:
You sure you weren't there 5 months ago?

[BlackZRoadster]

^ I might be going back to that area 5 weeks from now
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[minoru_tanaka]

^ I might be thinking about going back to that area 5 days from now

[Zoidberg]

I might be going to think about thinking going to that area 5 days from now

[BlackZRoadster]

I think I might rethink my original plan of thinking to go back I think
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[Great68]

ONE DOWN, TWO TO GO!

*Fingers crossed*

[Mr.C]

At least here the gangsters shoot better. Nice to know no innocents were hurt. Question is, if it was more then one person with automatics, how did the rest of the people in the car survive? Unless they just targeted him, I guess.

[Gumby]

"The public needs to know that swift and extraordinary measures are being taken in order to ensure that those responsible will be found and brought to account," Holmes said.

I dunno - on the one hand, police need to ensure that the public are safe. But on the other hand, as long as gang members target each other, I don't think the police really care. You know what I mean?

[411ken]

I'm not sure if this has been asked on this thread but I wonder if there are any surveillance video or anything that captured this.... I mean, it's by a casino after all!

[Mr.C]

I'm not sure if this has been asked on this thread but I wonder if there are any surveillance video or anything that captured this.... I mean, it's by a casino after all!

Most likely, but it probably won't matter unless the killers screwed up. Heck, where I'm from, this stuff (killing heads of other gangs) usually would involve two or three black cars, tinted windows, fake plates, everyone with every piece of skin/eyes covered, some AR-15s and AK-47s, and maybe even an RPG, because gang leaders roll in bulletproof cars. Hardcore shit.

And it would be a fucking mess.

[unit]

I was around the area where the shooting occurred 5 days ago.

jesus christ dude, you almost died!!

[gdoh]

i had a dream that i was one of them who got shot, then i woke up and i was inside the ambulance....with the man who shot me and he was gunna finish the job and he shot again thats when i woke up and realized i was about 4hours away from getting shot

[JKam]

i had a dream that i was one of them who got shot, then i woke up and i was inside the ambulance....with the man who shot me and he was gunna finish the job and he shot again thats when i woke up and realized i was about 4hours away from getting shot

That's some Inception/Final Destination shit going on there lol

[dachinesedude]

I was around the area where the shooting occurred 5 days ago.

jesus christ dude, you almost died!!

lolz fucking close call

[SaviorSelf_666]

I live near there. I think it's kinda blown up. Small city gets a real gang shooting. Doesn't Vancouver put up with this shit on a yearly basis?

[elwell]

^ last year yes, its pretty calm down here now

[SumAznGuy]

^ last year yes, its pretty calm down here now

Except for the possible retaliation shooting in Surrey last night.

[JD¹³]

i had a dream that i was one of them who got shot, then i woke up and i was inside the ambulance....with the man who shot me and he was gunna finish the job and he shot again thats when i woke up and realized i was about 4hours away from getting shot
I know an EMT who used to work in the Chicago area who responded to a call like this one in Kelowna. The target lived, and while treating him in the back of the ambulance another man walked up behind it, pulled a gun, and unloaded. The man the EMT's were trying to save was killed, the EMT I know took shots in the back and was critical for a couple days, and the other was killed. Pretty brutal.

[Hondaracer]

Kelowna has been pretty bad for a while now

every time i go there it just seems to be "little Vancouver" with even more goof's walking around thinking they are somebody than in the lower mainland

[Presto]

So the big question is...now that Bacon got fried, who eggsactly can be considered responsible...who made Bacon toast?

Could it be the work of a cereal killer?, or did one of his adversaries ketchup to him? was it a professional or a hamateur?

Hopefully, the RCMP are grilling suspects as we speak.

lol from the vancouver sun comments

God, damn comments with puns. Puns are the lowest form of comedy!

[Redlines_Daily]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_56VAahgVSAo/TDT4-ULFV6I/AAAAAAAAA4g/UpT-IG9mxTQ/s1600/PressureGuys.jpg
[/url]

All I see are 11 douche bags. Fuckin' tough guys..

[RRxtar]

Kelowna has been pretty bad for a while now

every time i go there it just seems to be "little Vancouver" with even more goof's walking around thinking they are somebody than in the lower mainland
I definitely agree theres alot of clowns in town in the last few years..

That being said, I party every weekend, usually at the same places they do, and Ive never once run into a situation with any of them.

The only time they ever really stand out is when they are trying to load up one of their 40 foot Eliminator boats at the busiest boat launch in town and cant even get the thing to the ramp

[minoru_tanaka]

God, damn comments with puns. Puns are the lowest form of comedy!

Actually most puns I've heard are not low but quite high. Sometimes I sikh help by using puns to curry favours when I am in deep. :troll:

[Death2Theft]

How do you tell them apart from the AB oil guys aside from plates?
I definitely agree theres alot of clowns in town in the last few years..

That being said, I party every weekend, usually at the same places they do, and Ive never once run into a situation with any of them.

The only time they ever really stand out is when they are trying to load up one of their 40 foot Eliminator boats at the busiest boat launch in town and cant even get the thing to the ramp

[Gumby]

I definitely agree theres alot of clowns in town in the last few years..

That being said, I party every weekend, usually at the same places they do, and Ive never once run into a situation with any of them.

The only time they ever really stand out is when they are trying to load up one of their 40 foot Eliminator boats at the busiest boat launch in town and cant even get the thing to the ramp
Serious question - do you feel safe partying near these clowns?

[Mr.C]

Serious question - do you feel safe partying near these clowns?

Most people would, up until the moment someone decides to make a statement in a nightclub with automatic weapons. Then the dynamics change a little bit.

[falcon]

All I see are 11 douche bags. Fuckin' tough guys..

Say that to their face. I dare you.

You won`t have lips by the time you finish your sentece.

[haha13]

Say that to their face. I dare you.

You won`t have lips by the time you finish your sentece.

.......... your point is?

[Hurricane]

How do you tell them apart from the AB oil guys aside from plates?

The AB guys are all drunk as sh!t; the other guys are on point enough to know what is going on around them.

Also the 'other' guys will generally have a few skinny/non-white dudes mixed in, that clearly aren't grinding it out on the rigs.

[411ken]

crazy things you find when you google.

looked up Larry, found this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_56VAahgVSAo/TDT4-ULFV6I/AAAAAAAAA4g/UpT-IG9mxTQ/s1600/PressureGuys.jpg

Larry far right, Kalib Starns beside him. Madchild in front.





Kalib Starnes lol.. did they kick him out of the group after watching his last ufc fight????

http://i26.tinypic.com/35d2an6.jpg

[pizzaMR2]

HAL HEFFNER - OSG - YouTube

"OSG, ya you know me"

[Manic!]

News 1130 reports one of the girls in the SUV was shot in the neck and is now a quadriplegic.

[MR_BIGGS]

News 1130 reports one of the girls in the SUV was shot in the neck and is now a quadriplegic.

While I feel sorry for someone who no longer can do simple tasks for the rest of their life let alone walk, she made the judgement call by associating herself with these kinds of people.

This is no different than getting into a car with someone you know has been drinking and ending up in a car accident leaving you quadriplegic.

[unit]

if you get into a car with a drunk driver and become a quad, you fucked up, but didnt deserve it...

[SumAznGuy]

if you get into a car with a drunk driver and become a quad, you fucked up, but didnt deserve it...

Sure you do. In this case, she is going out with a known gangster who's had attempts at his life.
It would be the equivillent of going drinking every night and having a drunk driver drive you home. Eventually, the odds of an accident will catch up to you.

If she just met these guys and was shot and become a quad, then yeah she didn't deserve it.

[unit]

she may have been asking for it, but she didnt deserve it, if that makes sense.
and we'll never know exactly how close to danger she knew she was in to begin with

[white_guilt]

Kalib Starnes lol.. did they kick him out of the group after watching his last ufc fight????

http://i26.tinypic.com/35d2an6.jpg

No, but that is part of the reason he got the boot. Dude's jiu jitsu is sick though. Gym superstar, crumbles under pressure.

[strykn]

more info here: Gang Member Registry (http://www.gangstersout.com/registry.htm) basically a public who's who listing of gang members...

holy fuck blackwater and CIA :|

[murd0c]

I'm still shocked of the Kevin Leclair death. I played hockey with him for 6yrs and was pretty close with him back in the day. He went from selling roids to being the Bacon brothers right hand man before he was gunned down. The fucked up thing is his dad is actually a ex cop as well.

[RRxtar]

Serious question - do you feel safe partying near these clowns?

they don't really cause trouble. just keep your nose out of their business and dont try to be a drunk ass or tough guy to them. ive had drinks, played pool, and partied with different groups of them lots of times.

i honestly feel way safer partying with 20 gangsters in the club in kelowna than i do partying on a regular night at a club in downtown vancouver with a group of brown dudes (no racism intended).


Most people would, up until the moment someone decides to make a statement in a nightclub with automatic weapons. Then the dynamics change a little bit.

that doesnt happen here. infact, there have not been any shootings in a club in kelowna. hell, theres rarely any stabbings downtown. and maybe one or 2 fights per year that make the news and those usually arent HA. any sort of real violence takes place in homes, not in public areas. hell, most of the time people just disappear (one or 2 a year).

[Berzerker]

I know several people from that pic personally and I can say they are chill guys. Call them douchbags whatever but on a personal level they are just like anyone else. I feel better hanging out with them then a lot of my other friends who go out of their way to try and start shit to be tough guys.

Berz out.

[spideyv2]

Real gangsters don't go out looking for trouble and starting shit. It's usually those Jersey Shore looking, lobster tanned fucks at clubs that do.

[nns]

Sure you do. In this case, she is going out with a known gangster who's had attempts at his life.
It would be the equivillent of going drinking every night and having a drunk driver drive you home. Eventually, the odds of an accident will catch up to you.

If she just met these guys and was shot and become a quad, then yeah she didn't deserve it.

I don't know how you can say she deserved it unless you knew her personally. I don't, so I could never make that statement.

Maybe she just happened to bump into them? Perhaps she is on friendly terms with them, along the lines of how RRxtar is. Would you say RRxtar deserved to be shot and paralyzed because he happened to be in the same area as them? So she was in a car, and RRxtar was at a party with them, the setting does not matter. Someone got shot, they're paralyzed now. That's sad.

[Marco911]

I know several people from that pic personally and I can say they are chill guys. Call them douchbags whatever but on a personal level they are just like anyone else. I feel better hanging out with them then a lot of my other friends who go out of their way to try and start shit to be tough guys.

Berz out.

Just like everyone else? I guess that's true if you don't count having no moral compass.

In order to finance their lavish lifestyle, they have no qualms about bringing misery to others. The irony is that they feel that they have to enforce their own heightened sense of justice against others at any perceived slight.

[Hurricane]

they don't really cause trouble. just keep your nose out of their business and dont try to be a drunk ass or tough guy to them. ive had drinks, played pool, and partied with different groups of them lots of times.

i honestly feel way safer partying with 20 gangsters in the club in kelowna than i do partying on a regular night at a club in downtown vancouver with a group of brown dudes (no racism intended).

And according to many of the people in this thread, if you end up a quad or dead, you deserved it.

[Berzerker]

Girl who got shot was a Niece to a full patch member ...

Berz out.

[DC5-S]

my buddy said bacon's were just puppets for HA.. they got there drugs, weapon's and whatever else from them.. thats why they were together at the time

[ToneCapone]

Girl who got shot was a Niece to a full patch member ...

Berz out.

There you go!
People keep talking shit saying she deserved it or whatever just for chillin with them... well what the fuck do you know?
What if she was just hanging out with her Uncle? Maybe before they went out they promised her no gangster stuff, it was a night out to have some fun.

No matter what she didn't deserve to get shot. If she had the hit on her... only then would I start to explore the possibility whether she deserved it or not.

[Berzerker]

Sorry I shouldn't have used past tense there she IS the niece of a full patch member.... Her uncle is a president of a chapter.

Berz out.

[scottsman]

for someone to say that people deserve any harm for them being associated with gangsters or whatever is ridiculous. At the same time if they want to chill with people like that then these are the kinds of things that can happen and I feel no remorse or pity for them.

[parm104]

...with people like that then these are the kinds of things that can happen and I feel no remorse or pity for them. X 2

[jigga250]

And according to many of the people in this thread, if you end up a quad or dead, you deserved it.

Not deserve it, but don't act shocked like you never saw it coming. People are free to make their own decisions, when you CHOOSE to associate with people who have public hits put out on them and many enemies (didn't the VPD issue a warning not to associate with the Bacons?), thats a risk you're CHOOSING to take.

[nns]

This is just me speculating, but maybe she didn't know what Bacon looked like? I mean, he's not instantly recognizable to everyone like Tom Cruise or Nicholas Cage is.

[murd0c]

This is just me speculating, but maybe she didn't know what Bacon looked like? I mean, he's not instantly recognizable to everyone like Tom Cruise or Nicholas Cage is.

Your uncle is the president of the Haney chapter you know who you are with especially being a bacon. Her getting hit get's shit going quick.

Bacon had a 1mill hit on his head and someone was brought from out of country to take care of the business from what I have been hearing.

[Berzerker]

Since Sunday 3 peoples facebook pages from that picture have been deleted... Weird......

Berz out.

[RRxtar]

HA, IS, RS, UN... the whole thing is one big clusterfuck. especially if you read a few different sources. hell, even if you use one source theres so much going on, i dont think anyone really knows whos friends with who and enemies with who.

from just what ive head about the people in this shooting, the old RS leadership was tight with the UN. the Bacons and new RS work with/for the HA. Larry Amero and certain HA members have been working with the UN and for the IS at different times..

someone write a book. i want to read it.

[aliuu]

"gangster next door" on cbc... google if you want to watch it provides a decent documentary of the van gangs

[JD¹³]

There is so much ignorant fail in this thread it's unbelievable.

[white_guilt]

This is just me speculating, but maybe she didn't know what Bacon looked like? I mean, he's not instantly recognizable to everyone like Tom Cruise or Nicholas Cage is.

Trust me, everyone in Kelowna knows who the Bacon brothers are.

[parm104]

There is so much ignorant fail in this thread it's unbelievable.

Care to elaborate?...

[scottsman]

This is just me speculating, but maybe she didn't know what Bacon looked like? I mean, he's not instantly recognizable to everyone like Tom Cruise or Nicholas Cage is.

When people are deep into the game like these guys they know 1000 times more than what is discussed in the news. They know who is who and no doubt those girls knew who they were too.

[Mr.C]

I know several people from that pic personally and I can say they are chill guys. Call them douchbags whatever but on a personal level they are just like anyone else. I feel better hanging out with them then a lot of my other friends who go out of their way to try and start shit to be tough guys.

Berz out.

Yeah man, I see what you're saying, but years ago I had this friend of mine that I played soccer with, super cool guy, funny, chill, etc, that started getting involved with drugs and weapons sales. So I just stopped hanging out with him, in fear for what would happen if someone that had beef with him or whatever decided to settle a score while I was near him.

Saved my life, because a couple of years later him and another guy I knew were killed in front of his house. More than 60 .762 shots (i think, it's been nearly ten years) were fired at him and his friend. No warning, no chance. Just boom, dead. Could have been me, had I not distanced myself.

Or maybe I'm a pussy. I've seen people that I know be killed, it's not pretty.

[seakrait]

choices and consequences. besides the already-mentioned consequences of getting hit when your gangster friends are targeted, there are other (less fatal but still noteworthy) ramifications of associating with such people.

one of which is if your job demands a police record check. depending on the job you intend to get, record checks can get pretty in-depth. a few too many noted associations on file with people "known to police" and your potential career is out the window.

eg: you're riding in your buddy's car and he's a gang member. police pull the car over on a traffic stop. a search of the car turns up a small amount of pot and a loaded 9mm. GG. that police file is not going to go away. it'll follow you everywhere and every time you do a police record check. and there's not much you can do about it either.

[minoru_tanaka]

I know several people from that pic personally and I can say they are chill guys. Call them douchbags whatever but on a personal level they are just like anyone else. I feel better hanging out with them then a lot of my other friends who go out of their way to try and start shit to be tough guys.

Well they can walk around like alpha dogs most of the time, why wouldn't the y be chill? They can assume most people won't mess with them. You don't really hear people warn their friend, "Don't start any trouble with these guys, they're refrigerator repairmen!"

[Narayan]

I know several people from that pic personally and I can say they are chill guys. Call them douchbags whatever but on a personal level they are just like anyone else. I feel better hanging out with them then a lot of my other friends who go out of their way to try and start shit to be tough guys.

Berz out.

Drug and weapon dealers that are also murderers (oh don't forget about all the fraud too) are just like anyone else? These so called "chilled" guys are douchebags no matter what level you speak of.

If you would rather hang out with them then your own lot of friends I expect your morals aren't very high and you should probably look for a new set of friends...

As for the girls in the car, living off the proceeds of crime, and thinking life is awesome... Whether these girls were girl friends or just some ass they picked up, this story should be read out loud to all the dumb girls who think hanging with these cool dudes is awesome!

[StylinRed]

Just like everyone else? I guess that's true if you don't count having no moral compass.

In order to finance their lavish lifestyle, they have no qualms about bringing misery to others. The irony is that they feel that they have to enforce their own heightened sense of justice against others at any perceived slight.

sounds like banks/traders/etc ;)

[Marco911]

sounds like banks/traders/etc ;)

True a lot of bankers are scum too. But they are technically not breaking the law.

Yay for more regulation.

[dangonay]

Real gangsters don't go out looking for trouble and starting shit. It's usually those Jersey Shore looking, lobster tanned fucks at clubs that do.
No, they just do everything behind the scenes, committing countless violent crimes & murders and destroying thousands of peoples lives all while being nice and polite in public (like doing charity work for children and veterans). HA and everyone like them are the lowest scum of the earth.

Sorry, but anyone who knows a full patch HA member and thinks they are "chill" or "nice" doesn't really know them or is completely blind. Not every HA member is a murderer, drug dealer, pimp or enforcer. But they're part of a system full of these people and activities and are just as guilty of these crimes as the persons who commit them. You don't become a full patch member just by hanging around being "chill" with other members. And you don't become a full patch member without knowing what's really going on or how the organization works.

Just like everyone else? I guess that's true if you don't count having no moral compass.

In order to finance their lavish lifestyle, they have no qualms about bringing misery to others. The irony is that they feel that they have to enforce their own heightened sense of justice against others at any perceived slight.
Yup. People point to the legitimate businesses the HA runs, but they were all financed/started with money from drugs or other activities. Pretty easy to start up a business and become highly successful when you have an unlimited source of start-up and operating capital to keep you afloat.

[drunkrussian]

^i agree. a friend of mine used to work in a prison and said the hells angels guys were super nice and obedient and civilized. they would also have the most chicks visiting them for sex lol. but like u said, thats them not on the job, just being chill. when theyre working its a whole different story. and i dont need to know them personally to say this. just like im sure bernie madoff is a nice guy when hes out vacationing on his boat...or george dubya would be a chill guy to smoke some cigars with...
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[spideyv2]

No, they just do everything behind the scenes, committing countless violent crimes & murders and destroying thousands of peoples lives all while being nice and polite in public (like doing charity work for children and veterans). HA and everyone like them are the lowest scum of the earth.

Sorry, but anyone who knows a full patch HA member and thinks they are "chill" or "nice" doesn't really know them or is completely blind. Not every HA member is a murderer, drug dealer, pimp or enforcer. But they're part of a system full of these people and activities and are just as guilty of these crimes as the persons who commit them. You don't become a full patch member just by hanging around being "chill" with other members. And you don't become a full patch member without knowing what's really going on or how the organization works.

Stay out of their business and they will most likely stay out of yours. What I was trying to say is, they wouldn't go out of their way to start shit with you unless you fucked with them in some sort of way. You think an HA member would randomly jump you? Probably not. They have more important things to worry about.

[vitaminG]

Stay out of their business and they will most likely stay out of yours. What I was trying to say is, they wouldn't go out of their way to start shit with you unless you fucked with them in some sort of way. You think an HA member would randomly jump you? Probably not. They have more important things to worry about.

they might not randomly jump you, but they certainly wouldnt give two shits if your just a random bystander who happens to get shot up.

Keep in mind Jamie bacon allegedly killed TWO completely innocent bystanders in the surrey 6 incident. One of whom chris mohan i used to play basketball with. Imagine being a kid coming home and getting pulled into an apartment and murdered for no fucking reason.

Then youve got the quebec biker wars, where an innocent kid gets blown up and prison guards are being murdered and judges intimidated.

Gangsters/criminals benefit from being the enemy of civilized society end of story.

[quasi]

they might not randomly jump you, but they certainly wouldnt give two shits if your just a random bystander who happens to get shot up.

Keep in mind Jamie bacon allegedly killed TWO completely innocent bystanders in the surrey 6 incident. One of whom chris mohan i used to play basketball with. Imagine being a kid coming home and getting pulled into an apartment and murdered for no fucking reason.

Then youve got the quebec biker wars, where an innocent kid gets blown up and prison guards are being murdered and judges intimidated.

Gangsters/criminals benefit from being the enemy of civilized society end of story.

Exactly, I was going to say the same thing. The kid in the hall and the repairman weren't exactly looking for trouble when they were murdered in cold blood by these guys............allegedly

[dangonay]

Stay out of their business and they will most likely stay out of yours. What I was trying to say is, they wouldn't go out of their way to start shit with you unless you fucked with them in some sort of way. You think an HA member would randomly jump you? Probably not. They have more important things to worry about.
They will stay out of yours? BS.

Tell that to the people of small towns, cities and neighborhoods after the HA (or other gang) moved in and developed the territory creating a base of users and addicts to buy their products where none existed before. Is that staying out of your business?

Most people think the drug problem was "always there". Not true. You can almost always trace the history of a community and find out when the drug problem first started, and it is usually the result of organized crime coming in and setting up shop. It's not so apparent in the larger cities where there are always enough people getting caught up in abuse to form their own "community" (like the DTES). However, there are numerous examples even in recent history.

My hometown in Alberta never had anyone doing anything more than smoke pot or drink. The worst thing that happened is a few bar fights when people had too much to drink. About 30 years ago a group of bikers moved into the area and set up shop (this was just before I moved away). I remember them coming out to the bush parties and providing booze and weed for everyone. I also remember them encouraging people to try something "that'll make you feel really good". I was never there long enough to see the transformation until I was watching CBC one night and they had a special on my hometown and how it had serious gang and drug problems. A small fucking peaceful town of 10,000 people turned into it's own version of the DTES.

If you want to google it yourself just search for "Hobbema" and "Wetaskiwin". You can also search for "Edson Alberta" (where my uncle lives), another town that was peaceful 30 years ago and now has crack users in abundance (and a gang problem).

People always say "the drug problem was always there, and gangs are just providing something to fill a demand" or "if the gangs didn't provide drugs, then someone else would". That's also BS. Organized crime isn't satisfied with the status quo and even today they are still "developing new territories".

I wouldn't say they "stay out of your business".

[Harvey Specter]

The real gangsters are invisible and unknown to most of us.

And even the HA isn't running the show like most people claim they are, street level yes but overall there's bigger and much more powerful organizations running the drug trade in North America.

[MG1]

They will stay out of yours? BS.

Tell that to the people of small towns, cities and neighborhoods after the HA (or other gang) moved in and developed the territory creating a base of users and addicts to buy their products where none existed before. Is that staying out of your business?

Most people think the drug problem was "always there". Not true. You can almost always trace the history of a community and find out when the drug problem first started, and it is usually the result of organized crime coming in and setting up shop. It's not so apparent in the larger cities where there are always enough people getting caught up in abuse to form their own "community" (like the DTES). However, there are numerous examples even in recent history.


Right on.

......and recruiting youngsters to be pack mules. Enticing people - make an easy buck. Setting up smaller gangs of wannabe's and whatnot. The HA have an awesome PR - these guys aren't your typical dumbass criminals/thugs anymore. They've evolved. In the end, they profit from the suffering of others.

[strykn]

True a lot of bankers are scum too. But they are technically not breaking the law.

Yay for more regulation.

lolwut bankers, money managers, hedgefunds, and corporations dont break the law you say? almost spat my water out :lol:

[strykn]

The real gangsters are invisible and unknown to most of us.

And even the HA isn't running the show like most people claim they are, street level yes but overall there's bigger and much more powerful organizations running the drug trade in North America.

yup everyone in the media is pretty much streetlevel and just puppets ;)

[CanadaGoose]

If you want to google it yourself just search for "Hobbema" and "Wetaskiwin". You can also search for "Edson Alberta" (where my uncle lives), another town that was peaceful 30 years ago and now has crack users in abundance (and a gang problem).


I just got a window tint ticket in Wetaskiwin funny to see it brought up on RS

[dangonay]

I just got a window tint ticket in Wetaskiwin funny to see it brought up on RS
Lame.

Every year the RCMP would get a new "interceptor" police cruiser and then my dad would have a drag race with them over a case of beer. How times have changed.

[Klobbersaurus]

bumping old thread, the girl that was paralyzed is suing the hotel

B.C. woman paralyzed in shooting of gangster Jonathan Bacon sues accused gunmen (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/woman+paralyzed+gangster+Jonathan+Bacon+shooting+s ues+accused/8799896/story.html)

[dangonay]

"unbeknownst to her, one or more of her acquaintances were involved in gang-related activities"

Does she think people will actually believe her?

[StylinRed]

lol unbeknownst to her :lol

she probably doesn't know about her uncle either


Hadden-Watts is the niece of the president of the Haney chapter of the Hells Angels.
(last line in the article)


While its horrible that she's paralyzed, tragic imo (although others may not believe so), there's no sense in lying about her knowledge of the individuals she was with it will only draw criticism

[RRxtar]

smh. sloots gonna sloot. cant sloot the vag, may as well sloot for cash







i can understand where shes coming from, her life is now 100% fucked. however she needs to take some fucking responsibility for herself. it was her choice to run with the big dogs and feel like a queen.. and she got bit.