[Great68]

We're number three!

Vancouver is no longer considered the world's most livable city by the Economist magazine, but the reason why has some people scratching their heads.

The British publication's Economist Intelligence Unit says the City of Glass has now fallen to third place, falling in line behind Melbourne, Australia and Vienna, Austria.

This is the first time in a decade that Vancouver hasn't been in the top spot.

Vancouver lost points this year based on its transportation infrastructure, but there's one problem. The highway with the cited problems isn't in the West Coast city – it's on Vancouver Island.

The Malahat Highway north of Victoria was closed for almost a day – 22 hours – in April after a fuel tanker truck crash. That accident, which happened about 60 kilometres away from the city and a ferry ride away, resulted in a 0.7 percentage point drop in the city's overall livability rating.

"The adjustment is minuscule and should not be considered significant in the context of the overall score, but it was sufficient to drop Vancouver to third position behind Melbourne and Vienna," the survey said.

The Economist says the Stanley Cup Riot in June came too late to hurt the city's scores, but suggested the mayhem and violence could hurt future rankings.

The survey assigns scores to cities based on 30 factors in five categories: stability, health care, culture and environment, education and infrastructure.

Seven of the top cities are in Canada and Australia.

Harare, the capital city of Zimbabwe, ranked as the last livable city in the world, taking 140th place. London and New York sit in 53rd and 56th places.

Here are the world's 10 most livable cities, according to the survey:

Melbourne, Australia
Vienna, Austria
Vancouver, Canada
Toronto, Canada
Calgary, Canada
Sydney, Australia
Helsinki, Finland
Perth, Australia
Adelaide, Australia
Auckland, New Zealand

Hard to believe that something on the island can drop Vancouver's ratings. Maybe now they'll think about upgrading that highway.

[MG1]

Hoping it will drop even more..............

No more visitors or immigrants........ I like Vancouver the way it is!!!!!!!


or was.............

[spideyv2]

so when victoria drops, it results in vancouver dropping? lol ok

hopefully this will result in less immigrants

[Great68]

so when victoria drops, it results in vancouver dropping? lol ok

hopefully this will result in less immigrants

I don't think Victoria is big enough to count it on the list, so they just lump it in with Vancouver.

[Greenstoner]

vancovuer shouldnt even be on top 10 IMO

but our image is pretty good, its different when you living in the city

[Santofu]

Can someone explains to me how this shit works?

Most people here are trying to save up money to buy a house and Vancouver is in top 10?

[wouwou]

Please less immigrant

I want to be able to buy a house and grow old in GVRD.

[spideyv2]

vancovuer shouldnt even be on top 10 IMO

but our image is pretty good, its different when you living in the city

pffffffft, and Calgary should?

I know people who live in Calgary that tell me they hate it there.

[murd0c]

At least we are still beating Toronto lol

[StylinRed]

calgary :crazy2: :seriously: :fuckthatshit:

[Culverin]

I just keep thinking that if Vancouver is that livable, what the hell does the rest of the world look like?

Is every major city in the states that bad?

[LiquidTurbo]

these types of articles are meaningless.

[twitchyzero]

that list lost all credibility with toronto and calgary mentioned :troll:

I just keep thinking that if Vancouver is that livable, what the hell does the rest of the world look like?

Is every major city in the states that bad?

indication for you to go do some traveling

[PiuYi]

i wonder if the makers of this survey have actually lived in any of these cities...

[drunkrussian]

Can someone explains to me how this shit works?

Most people here are trying to save up money to buy a house and Vancouver is in top 10?

a lot of it is crime rate, nature, good place to raise a family, etc...not just economic indicators. ud think the
most liveable cities would actually be popular and thus lrices would be higher, so it kinda makes sense too haha

but yeah..if u love nature, stability and peace, this list is good. but if u want a very exciting life, pretty much this is "the most boring city" list...
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[XplicitLuder]

heard it on the radio, i was like aw shucks =[ now i cant brag to the americans lol

[Nightwalker]

heard it on the radio, i was like aw shucks =[ now i cant brag to the americans lol

Sure you can, they don't even have a city in the top 10.

[Wongtouski]

Vienna........really? I've been there there ain't much going on though. However their buildings are freakin beautiful and I've seen some bangin hotties there....

[MWR34]

GOD BLESS AMERICA, not even top 10.

[Meowjin]

Can someone explains to me how this shit works?

Most people here are trying to save up money to buy a house and Vancouver is in top 10?

the economist does a list every year that companies that have expat packages refer to when they need to pay there employees an obscene amount of money who generally favour anglo-saxon cities and immigrants or people who make money off immigrants fap over

the list is ment to appeal to people who are 40+ relocating and has nothign to do with growing up in the city, the city is slowly losing its culture because you can't be creative in a 500 foot condo.

[Bonjour43MA]

Hoping it will drop even more..............

No more visitors or immigrants........ I like Vancouver the way it is!!!!!!!


or was.............

What an ignorant comment. No visitors or immigrants? Say buh-bye to our tourism industry and thousands of jobs that depend on it.

I would've failed you 10 times for the comment if I could.

[ImportPsycho]

What an ignorant comment. No visitors or immigrants? Say buh-bye to our tourism industry and thousands of jobs that depend on it.

I would've failed you 10 times for the comment if I could.

+1
immigrants and visitors :thumbsup:
freeloaders coming on a boat :gtfo:

[Tapioca]

What an ignorant comment. No visitors or immigrants? Say buh-bye to our tourism industry and thousands of jobs that depend on it.

I would've failed you 10 times for the comment if I could.

MG1's opinion is a view held by a significant minority in Vancouver, so I wouldn't really dismiss it. The city has changed quite a bit since Expo 1986 and it hasn't necessarily been for the better.

Even though I generally like the Economist, this survey is pretty meaningless. But, there is a big difference between living and visiting cities. I've been to a few cities in Europe and while as a visitor, I thought they were awesome, I'm sure living in them would be a much different story (particularly as I'm not a European myself.) I'd like to actually here some stories from people who have lived in other major cities for extended periods of time (aside from HK.)

[MG1]

What an ignorant comment. No visitors or immigrants? Say buh-bye to our tourism industry and thousands of jobs that depend on it.

I would've failed you 10 times for the comment if I could.

You cannot read between the lines? Talk about ignorant. You only see what you want to see................. take everything literally.

I'd fail you a thousand times if I could, for being a dim wit. I've been living in Vancouver for over 50 years. I've seen this city change quite a bit - some good, some bad. You have no idea where I'm coming from. How long have you lived here? Long enough to see what?

Now go fly a kite. Remove your fail while you're at it.

[FN-2199]

Toronto on the list?

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/954-not-sure-if-serious.jpg

[MG1]

This past month I had the pleasure of visiting quite a few cities. Chicago, Detroit, Buffalo, New York, Boston, Toronto, Halifax, Charlottetown, Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, Winnipeg, Regina, Calgary, and Edmonton. My favourite places, because of the people, were the cities in the Maritimes. I was surprised at how nice Toronto, Ottawa, and Calgary were. I can see why Toronto and Calgary were up there - overall feeling I got.

BTW, a little off topic, it was weird to see that Vancouver proper has a smaller population than cities like Winnipeg, Calgary and Edmonton - from AAA info.

[wasabisashimi]

is Maple ridge or Surrey included as part of Vancouver in this survey?

[goo3]

MG1's opinion is a view held by a significant minority in Vancouver, so I wouldn't really dismiss it. The city has changed quite a bit since Expo 1986 and it hasn't necessarily been for the better.


The problem with nostalgia is most ppl remember the good and tend to ignore the bad.

[MG1]

The problem with nostalgia is most ppl remember the good and tend to ignore the bad.

Ignore the bad? Buddy, I lived in the DTES for 16 years. I know what bad is.

You mean forget the bad. No, I haven't forgotten the bad. The bad is nothing compared to what bad is today.

Anyway, this thead is about some organization that rates cities. I really don't think people decide to move to a city based on some dumb ass report.

"Hey, Honey, let's move to Melbourne! It's rated number one this year. Good thing we didn't move to Vancouver last year. It dropped to third place this year. How about Vienna? Oh, I'm so excited!"

And so solly for the people who got butt hurt by my too many immigrants and visitors comment. How about if I blame skytrain?

[Meowjin]

Ignore the bad? Buddy, I lived in the DTES for 16 years. I know what bad is.

You mean forget the bad. No, I haven't forgotten the bad. The bad is nothing compared to what bad is today.

Anyway, this thead is about some organization that rates cities. I really don't think people decide to move to a city based on some dumb ass report.

"Hey, Honey, let's move to Melbourne! It's rated number one this year. Good thing we didn't move to Vancouver last year. It dropped to third place this year. How about Vienna? Oh, I'm so excited!"

And so solly for the people who got butt hurt by my too many immigrants and visitors comment. How about if I blame skytrain?

read my previous post.

[MG1]

read my previous post.

I see............





Melbourne, huh?

[Tapioca]

The problem with nostalgia is most ppl remember the good and tend to ignore the bad.

I'm old enough to remember that the DTES was once a place where you could actually park your car and go for a stroll.

I have never been any under illusions about Vancouver: it has always been a beautiful place with people a little rough around the edges. The problem now is that people are forgetting this and instead, we're trying to compare ourselves with other real cities in the world. We'll never be the New York of the west coast.

[dachinesedude]

calgary and toronto in the top 10? :fuckthatshit:

vancouver is pretty overrated too imo, what so good about here anyways?

10 months of rain?
high cost of living?
boring nightlife?
shitty transit system?
sharing the road with c-lais? (ok not really srs)

fuck this, time to head back to the motherland lol

[MR_BIGGS]

calgary and toronto in the top 10? :fuckthatshit:

vancouver is pretty overrated too imo, what so good about here anyways?

10 months of rain?
high cost of living?
boring nightlife?
shitty transit system?
sharing the road with c-lais? (ok not really srs)

fuck this, time to head back to the motherland lol

With that beind said...name a place that has:

-10 months of sunshine
-low cost of living
-exiciting nightlife
-full functioning and convenient transit system
-good drivers

:okay:

[hk20000]

With that beind said...name a place that has:

-10 months of sunshine
-low cost of living
-exiciting nightlife
-full functioning and convenient transit system
-good drivers

:okay:
Tokyo Metropolitan area.

Except that doesn't go very well with the criteria used to make the "best livable city" anyway.


-10 months of sunshine - SMOG hell
-low cost of living - outskirts of Tokyo within 1 hour slow train ride radius is rather cheap.
-exiciting nightlife - Oh hellz yeah, not the cheapest but the kinkiest out there.
-full functioning and convenient transit system - where else?
-good drivers - but all stuck in traffic

[spideyv2]

calgary and toronto in the top 10? :fuckthatshit:

vancouver is pretty overrated too imo, what so good about here anyways?

10 months of rain?
high cost of living?
boring nightlife?
shitty transit system?
sharing the road with c-lais? (ok not really srs)

fuck this, time to head back to the motherland lol

i fucking hate the rain, but the transit system isn't bad at all

[wasabisashimi]

With that beind said...name a place that has:

-10 months of sunshine
-low cost of living
-exiciting nightlife
-full functioning and convenient transit system
-good drivers

:okay:

San Francisco?

[RacePace]

San Francisco?

Not cheap

[drunkrussian]

san fransisco is cold with tons of fog and rain. this aint full house mofucka
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[drunkrussian]

Tokyo Metropolitan area.

Except that doesn't go very well with the criteria used to make the "best livable city" anyway.


-10 months of sunshine - SMOG hell
-low cost of living - outskirts of Tokyo within 1 hour slow train ride radius is rather cheap.
-exiciting nightlife - Oh hellz yeah, not the cheapest but the kinkiest out there.
-full functioning and convenient transit system - where else?
-good drivers - but all stuck in traffic

living in tokyo = working 14 hours a day fuck that shit.
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[Vansterdam]

:wgaf:

[shawn79]

living in tokyo = working 14 hours a day fuck that shit.
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and 3 generation to pay off housing debt :fuckthatshit:

[bloodmack]

Hoping it will drop even more..............

No more visitors or immigrants........ I like Vancouver the way it is!!!!!!!


or was.............

old man with old views :lol

Things like these are so much BS, cities are only as good as you make em, not as good as some fucking top 10 list.

[goo3]

I'm old enough to remember that the DTES was once a place where you could actually park your car and go for a stroll.


DTES was our own doing. If we want to talk about this, don't bring up visitors, immigrants, or Expo 86. You can try to say isolation helps preserve the state of a city, but I don't think that's true in this instance.

And for balance:
What was Richmond like? An IKEA, a Futureshop, Landsdowne, and a bunch of fields. Exciting.
What was DT like?
How much public waterfront did we have around the city?
It was a little bit more racist of a city, was it not?
How many educated minorities did you see back then?
The Canucks kept losing.


I have never been any under illusions about Vancouver: it has always been a beautiful place with people a little rough around the edges. The problem now is that people are forgetting this and instead, we're trying to compare ourselves with other real cities in the world. We'll never be the New York of the west coast.

Cities grow and evolve - that's what they do. As a result, old problems go away and new ones surface. 20 years from now, someone will be having the same conversation as us longing for the good old days.

[Tapioca]

DTES was our own doing. If we want to talk about this, don't bring up visitors, immigrants, or Expo 86. You can try to say isolation helps preserve the state of a city, but I don't think that's true in this instance.

If Riverview hadn't let out a bunch of people that shouldn't have been let out, I'd argue that the DTES wouldn't have been as bad as it is today.


And for balance:
What was Richmond like? An IKEA, a Futureshop, Landsdowne, and a bunch of fields. Exciting.
What was DT like?
How much public waterfront did we have around the city?
It was a little bit more racist of a city, was it not?
How many educated minorities did you see back then?
The Canucks kept losing.

- I grew up in East Van, so Richmond wasn't relevant to my existence. Is it really better now? As a CBC who doesn't speak much Cantonese, it's hard for me to get service in restaurants, etc.
- DT was a place where business was done. Nothing wrong with that.
- Uninspiring condos are better than industry? I suppose so... but our skyline isn't exactly pretty from an architectural standpoint. Besides, at least I could actually bike around Stanley Park at a reasonable pace.
- Vancouver was a bit more racist, sure. But, you know, being the victim of racial slurs admittedly gave me some backbone.
- The "university of a billion chinks" moniker has been around since the 1970s.
- 20 years later, we still have no cups.

[goo3]

Few things in life are 100% positive and 0% negative. I don't know what your responses really prove other than you see the world "cup half-empty" in a rather distorted way. The totality is what needs to be looked at, if you want to have an honest reflection.

For example: Vancouver was a bit more racist, sure. But, you know, being the victim of racial slurs admittedly gave me some backbone.

I fail to see how living in a city where you're wondering what the white guy next to you is thinking is better than in a city where the ignorance level is low. If you were middle eastern moving from one to the other, relief would be a good way to describe how they feel.

And it's false to assume you need to be a scarred by racism to build a backbone. I contend you'd build a stronger backbone by growing up in an environment where you are supported and have confidence while establishing your identity instead of questioning it.

[jigga250]

calgary and toronto in the top 10? :fuckthatshit:

vancouver is pretty overrated too imo, what so good about here anyways?


Where else have you lived? I assume you've lived in several places, as a basis for comparison to make such a statement.

[punkwax]

If you don't understand / can't appreciate what's so great about living in BC, make room for someone who will.
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[achiam]

the economist does a list every year that companies that have expat packages refer to when they need to pay there employees an obscene amount of money who generally favour anglo-saxon cities and immigrants or people who make money off immigrants fap over

the list is ment to appeal to people who are 40+ relocating and has nothign to do with growing up in the city, the city is slowly losing its culture because you can't be creative in a 500 foot condo.

hmmm... but if people lived in tiny places, I'd think they'd go out more and mingle on the street with other people (e.g. NY, HK etc) -- wouldn't that increased density allow for more culture?

[twitchyzero]

fuck this, time to head back to the motherland lol

bye:grin-FU: