[Phozy]

I know there are many sides to this, but i found this post on Yahoo.

"This is SO lame, this prohibition MUST stop! IF weed was made legal back in the hippie days of the '60's, as was requested, then I doubt that we'd see these so-called 'designer drugs', totally unsafe and mixed in somebody's bathtub or sink even around today.
These ARE tough times, people need to be able to relax and get away from it all for a while, all this man was doing was providing a service, nothing more. Face it, he didn't do it for the MONEY, he has lots.
There ARE alternatives here.
We can forget about weed and 'find ourselves' with LSD like Manson did, drink LEGAL booze that's responsible for oh, so many traffic deaths and domestic abuse/murder charges that fill our jails--or take a chemical pill with contents that don't belong in the body that WILL kill you.

Even better, the feds SELL US CIGARETTES that say right on the package THEY WILL KILL US. They don't care as long as they get their tax money!!
Hmm, if we COULD do it all over again, I wonder which would be legal and which wouldn't? The stuff the feds sell 'legally' will kill us DEAD and even THEY say so on EVERY package or box.

..yet we're afraid of a plant that's been on this earth since time began. The earliest perscrition was found and dated 2800BCE in Arabic and was for a headache which read 'Take 2 pipes of hashish then go to bed'

Go figure, weed was LEGAL UNTIL 1937 when a bully named Anslinger blew it up, much to the chagrin of the fledgling AMA and ALL rural doctors whom were aware this WAS medicine for those that were either too far from a doctor OR those that couldn't afford to see a doctor
.
Sad, Abraham Lincoln, argueably the best president the USA has ever had HATED ANY FORM OF PROHIBITION as HE KNEW that 'nature abhors a vacuum' and it would soon be filled with undesireable elements.
KEEP THIS UP AND THE REAL HARD-CORE CRIMINALS THAT DON'T FEAR JAIL OR KILLING WILL RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER ALL--THERE WILL BE BLOOD IF WE DON'T LEARN TO RELAX A BIT AND STOP CASTING JUDGEMENT!! Or another war on how to jail everyone, this way the Feds win twice.

Tell our officials to relax also and back off, before the REALLYl hard core guys get involved and we have a huge problem which our officials will say 'WOW, how did THAT happen?
as if they had NO clue OR direct/indirect involvment!
I'm not pro drugs, I'm pro weed, pro choice and anti Fed, the 'powder and pill people' would be hit hard if weed was ok, remember this!!
PROHIBITION WORKS ONLY FOR THE CRIMINALS, IF ONLY WE COULD ASK AL CAPONE OR JOE KENNEDY THE BOOTLEG KINGS OF THEIR DAY that made untold millions.
LOOK AT THE EFFECTS ON YOUR SOCIETY, 1 OF 1OO PEOPLE in the USA walking the streets today that have been in PRISON, not jail or the drunk tank, but BUTT-BLASTING PRISON over garbage laws. IS this what you want??
THINK, THINK then THINK AGAIN, soon it will make sense if you have ANY compassion or hope.
fighting over a PLANT, aren't we better than this?"

Source : http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Police-seize-eight-pounds-of-marijuana-from-home?urn=nfl-wp7717

Personally, i think cannabis should be legal, but taxed, just like anything. That could lead to huge amounts of money, especially for the US, so they can get out of this economic hole they're in.
I don't see the difference between selling cigarettes that can kill, alcohol that can kill, and weed that can also kill. But all 3 can be used for enjoyment as well. There are so many beneficial uses of cannabis. I find it ridiculous, and the prohibition of it is a waste of money, time, resources, and effort.

Thoughts?

[GoneGuru]

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[El Bastardo]

Legalize it and tax it to death. Heavily regulate the production houses. Keep the legal consumption areas under watch to satisfy the opponents. And the age limit at 19.

Stiffen fines on street level dealers to weed out the competition. Mandatory prison minimums for people convicted of illegal production of marijuana and property of seizure of those property owners who grow their own stock. Also, mandatory deportation of non-citizens involved in drug related crimes.

Create a marijuana tourism industry and revitalize areas suffering as a result of dollar parity. Work to remove the stigma that everyone who smokes weed will end up a burnout like Tommy Chong or Mark Emery. Find public figures who are well respected and use them to promote it.

Take the marijuana industry out of the hands of the scumbags and the predatory trash and put it into the hands of business people.

And I don't even smoke weed. I hate it. But I think it should be legalized.

[Stevie P]

I don't see the difference between selling cigarettes that can kill, alcohol that can kill, and weed that can also kill.

The difference is that there have been zero deaths caused by the primary use of marijuana.

[Great68]

Work to remove the stigma that everyone who smokes weed will end up a burnout like Tommy Chong or Mark Emery. Find public figures who are well respected and use them to promote it.



Both are millionaires... If they're burnouts, they've done very well for themselves. If you read Emery's bio he's led a pretty active life, which contradicts the whole "Pot makes you lazy" stigma.

[murd0c]

Isn't Emery broke?

[unit]

Legalize it and tax it to death. Heavily regulate the production houses. Keep the legal consumption areas under watch to satisfy the opponents. And the age limit at 19.

Stiffen fines on street level dealers to weed out the competition. Mandatory prison minimums for people convicted of illegal production of marijuana and property of seizure of those property owners who grow their own stock. Also, mandatory deportation of non-citizens involved in drug related crimes.

Create a marijuana tourism industry and revitalize areas suffering as a result of dollar parity. Work to remove the stigma that everyone who smokes weed will end up a burnout like Tommy Chong or Mark Emery. Find public figures who are well respected and use them to promote it.

Take the marijuana industry out of the hands of the scumbags and the predatory trash and put it into the hands of business people.

And I don't even smoke weed. I hate it. But I think it should be legalized.

i think you should be allowed to grow your own supply.
you're allowed to make your own alcohol, so why not?

[unit]

Both are millionaires... If they're burnouts, they've done very well for themselves. If you read Emery's bio he's led a pretty active life, which contradicts the whole "Pot makes you lazy" stigma.

for every successful pothead theres hundreds of lazy ones.
rarely meet people who are daily smokers who are go getters.
not saying you cant amount to anything if you're a pothead, but it opens some doors and closes others.

[El Bastardo]

Both are millionaires... If they're burnouts, they've done very well for themselves. If you read Emery's bio he's led a pretty active life, which contradicts the whole "Pot makes you lazy" stigma.


You can be a burnout and have money. Outside of a very select group of people Emery can't be very well received.
Years ago at a 420 celebration I saw him at the art gallery. He looked like hell. And the people he was surrounding himself with weren't exactly the cream of society. He reminded me of that guy whos in his 30s trying to party at a frat party.
Mark Emery is important to a select group of people, but hes not appropriate to be the public face of marijuana legalization. (Nor is Tommy Chong, obviously. Just seeing that guy invokes memories of hippie days gone by of people wearing full denim outfits and going days without bathing)


Find a CEO who is a household name like Steve Jobs, or an actor who is well respected like Jon Hamm, and have them in a very candid campaign admitting they have (or still do) smoked weed and it didn't stop them from being successful. Avoid getting stereotypical figures like Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson and go for people who society holds in high regard. It'll help bridge the gap for some people

[Great68]

for every successful pothead theres hundreds of lazy ones.
rarely meet people who are daily smokers who are go getters.
not saying you cant amount to anything if you're a pothead, but it opens some doors and closes others.

Is that the drug, or their disposition?

Of all of my friends who smoke pot, ALL of them are living successful and productive lives.

[Great68]

You can be a burnout and have money. Outside of a very select group of people Emery can't be very well received.
Years ago at a 420 celebration I saw him at the art gallery. He looked like hell. And the people he was surrounding himself with weren't exactly the cream of society. He reminded me of that guy whos in his 30s trying to party at a frat party.
Mark Emery is important to a select group of people, but hes not appropriate to be the public face of marijuana legalization. (Nor is Tommy Chong, obviously. Just seeing that guy invokes memories of hippie days gone by of people wearing full denim outfits and going days without bathing.

Find a CEO who is a household name like Steve Jobs, or an actor who is well respected like Jon Hamm, and have them in a very candid campaign admitting they have (or still do) smoked weed and it didn't stop them from being successful. Avoid getting stereotypical figures like Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson and go for people who society holds in high regard. It'll help bridge the gap for some people

I see your point and agree.
I personally can't stand the "Hit dat shit Homie" stereotypical types.

[Teh Doucher]

Is that the drug, or their disposition?

Of all of my friends who smoke pot, ALL of them are living successful and productive lives.

No shit, society is fucking retarded. My cousin owns and runs a esso gas station in van and he's smoking all day long more than often. He's also only 24yrs old.. There's so many different types of people that smoke pot out there, but because of stereotypes a lot of them don't admit to smoking. Any of you seen the hot chicks that come in and out of the vapor lounge at the BCMP downtown?
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[unit]

great68:
i think its both really.. cant blame the weed if you're a lazy person to begin with.

theres a reason people dont smoke weed then go study academics but theres also a reason why some people smoke weed then write, draw, make music, etc...

im not saying people who smoke weed cant be successful, thats FAR from the truth. look at obama. he inhaled frequently, that was the point.
just curious are all your successful friends actually potheads or just smoke weed from time to time? cause those are 2 different things.

[unit]

btw ive smoked weed with emery and hes pretty boring to talk to.
starts rambling and you just cant get away from him lol.
he was smoking a 6ft bong and high as fuck at the time too

[Phil@rise]

for every successful pothead theres hundreds of lazy ones.
rarely meet people who are daily smokers who are go getters.
not saying you cant amount to anything if you're a pothead, but it opens some doors and closes others.

Same goes for alcoholism.

[unit]

alcoholics are in no way functional at all
thats a downward spiral with really no promise what so ever

[Great68]

just curious are all your successful friends actually potheads or just smoke weed from time to time? cause those are 2 different things.

It varies, the majority are weekenders but a few are every day after work smokers. I classify them as successful in that they all work and are able support themselves well. Some of them like to play video games in their free time, others like to build things in their workshops.

Either way, the only way I'd call any of them lazy is if they became welfare or UI sucking sponges.

[gars]

im not saying people who smoke weed cant be successful, thats FAR from the truth. look at obama. he inhaled frequently, that was the point.
just curious are all your successful friends actually potheads or just smoke weed from time to time? cause those are 2 different things.

It's very hard to compare weed in the 60's and 70's to weed nowadays. Weed sold now is much, much stronger than weed that Obama smoked.

[TheKingdom2000]

we are the same people that got rid of the HST...
There is no campaign in the world that would educate people about marijuana...

[StylinRed]

Take the marijuana industry out of the hands of the scumbags and the predatory trash and put it into the hands of business people.


:lol

[originalhypa]

Of all of my friends who smoke pot, ALL of them are living successful and productive lives.

I have a couple of buddies who smoke daily, and while they work hard and pay their taxes, they sure don't put in any "extra" effort. One buddy is a skilled fabricator and could make good money on the side, but he'd rather get high.

So be it.

alcoholics are in no way functional at all
thats a downward spiral with really no promise what so ever

Other than the whole "no promise" thing, you're right. However, an alcoholic, drug addict, etc, can always pull themselves out of the abyss.

What I want to know is why Redlines_Daily failed you.
Maybe he's drunk right now?
:heckno:

[jeedee]

**Awaiting Vansterdam's verdict**

[originalhypa]

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Paris Hilton
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Kevin Spacey
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Julia Roberts
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And Charlize Theron with an apple.
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and lots more.
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[jeedee]

You can't forget:

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[EmOne]

You can't forget:

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[Great68]

I have a couple of buddies who smoke daily, and while they work hard and pay their taxes, they sure don't put in any "extra" effort. One buddy is a skilled fabricator and could make good money on the side, but he'd rather get high.

So be it.




Nothing wrong with being content with the living you have. I wouldn't attribute the drug as the sole reason for lack of desire to do "extra work".
I used to do side work, and I started to hate it as my spare time started to become more valuable to me.
My cousin, an after work, every day smoker is the opposite. He'll spark one up and then go work in his shop for hours on various projects and side jobs. His latest project is a '64 Comet Wagon he's restoring for his wife.

[terkan]

You guys have to realize it's almost impossible to ban cigarette smoking and alcohol use because of its cultural use. If any government was to try ban it, they would alienate a majority of their voters otherwise the health authorities wouldve already tried to ban them.
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[Happy]

was reading this at doctors office few days ago
read the first sentence
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[Phozy]

You guys have to realize it's almost impossible to ban cigarette smoking and alcohol use because of its cultural use. If any government was to try ban it, they would alienate a majority of their voters otherwise the health authorities wouldve already tried to ban them.
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OR there's just too much money involved, how many cig companies will go out of business, just like putting an electric car in the industry, how many oil companies will go out of business.

[punkwax]

I know some daily smokers who would inspire the shit out of most people on RS with their careers and work ethic.

Taxing it would get us out of debt in a hurry. I'm sure if people could go back in time they'd choose to legalize and tax it over alcohol... As someone pointed out, there have been absolutely 0 deaths that have been blamed on smoking marijuana. Countless deaths attributed to alcohol. My dad told me years ago, I'd rather you smoke and drive than drink and drive. I'm sure I'll tell my kids the very same thing.

I remember my parents telling me their folks had to grow a certain amount of marijuana to use the hemp during wartime... Govt mandated. And they expect people to just give up the sweet mary jane? :fuckthatshit:
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[Gridlock]

Oh weed culture, how I loathe thee.

I have no issue with weed. By itself. I also have no issue with people that occasionally smoke it.

I have an issue with, and I believe it was put well above, the "hit dat shit homie" culture. The "weed 4 life" crowd.

I don't like the fact that there is a significant criminal element to its growth,cultivation and distribution any more than I like the amount of dollars spent to control its growth, cultivation and distribution.

However, I counter that with the possible explosion in the weed culture. It's legal now, does that mean I have no recourse when my neighbor is smoking it and my living room smells like that 70's show?

[91LS-VTak]

^^^

Yeah, close your damn window. Just as if he was smoking a cigarette, or had his barbeque going and all the smoke was blowing at your house.

And of course there's a criminal element to it...it's illegal to grow, possess, and otherwise associate yourself with weed. Just like with Prohibition...

[Phozy]

annd the people who fail me have nothing to say . :suspicious:

[jeedee]

annd the people who fail me have nothing to say . :suspicious:

Welcome to Revscene. Where people fail you for not agreeing with your opinion and don't reply to it.

[Death2Theft]

If they legalized anything in the states the politicians would lose alot of dirty money.

[Death2Theft]

I thought u were legally allowed to grow 5 plants for personal use?
^^^

Yeah, close your damn window. Just as if he was smoking a cigarette, or had his barbeque going and all the smoke was blowing at your house.

And of course there's a criminal element to it...it's illegal to grow, possess, and otherwise associate yourself with weed. Just like with Prohibition...

[Anjew]

Oh weed culture, how I loathe thee.

I have no issue with weed. By itself. I also have no issue with people that occasionally smoke it.

I have an issue with, and I believe it was put well above, the "hit dat shit homie" culture. The "weed 4 life" crowd.

I don't like the fact that there is a significant criminal element to its growth,cultivation and distribution any more than I like the amount of dollars spent to control its growth, cultivation and distribution.

However, I counter that with the possible explosion in the weed culture. It's legal now, does that mean I have no recourse when my neighbor is smoking it and my living room smells like that 70's show?


there are idiots and there are people that smoke weed also. dont mix those two.

[$_$]

I thought u were legally allowed to grow 5 plants for personal use?

Lol .... if you were everyone would be growing it ? :concentrate:

[Gridlock]

Why did I get failed for my post above? Come on, chime in guys.

This is a perfect example. I've stated before on this forum that I don't like weed culture. That is my opinion. I've been failed before for it too.

I don't want to walk down the halls of my building smelling weed on my way to my door, just the same as I don't want to smell cigarette smoke, or talk to someone drunk out of their mind with alcohol on their breath. That is also my opinion. I runs me a classy kinda joint-no pun ;)

And people fail me for my opinion...which is fine. But I read that as I should just suck it up. It's BC, its weed, get used to it. I'm the stick in the mud.

Yeah, I get that there are nice, normal people that smoke pot. Awesome. You know whats great about these people? I never know. These people don't have the pot leaf flags hanging in their living room, or the t-shirts or the red puffy eyes.

Everyone has to admit that they are someone, know someone or has seen someone that has the approach that everyone else should put up with pot culture because its BC, which is apparently the standard answer, or its harmless or whatever.

I'm all for decriminalization of it, but I don't want the end result to be an explosion of it everywhere. I would want my concerns addressed.

[originalhypa]

I didn't fail you because your argument is valid. But what is the difference between someone wearing a "420" shirt, and the guy next to him in a "Budweiser" shirt? Is the guy in the Bud shirt a higher quality individual because his poison is legal?

Your complaints of crime are valid, but to complain about someone's desire to be a part of something is asinine. There is a pot subculture, for the same reasons as there is a chinatown. It's a comfortable relationship where you're not going to be judged or ostracized because you're with your own kind.

I'm not interested in the lifestyle, and wouldn't be caught dead in a "420" shirt. Hell, I won't partake in public, nor would I share a joint with a stranger. That said, I wouldn't do that with booze or cigarettes either. Again, if you're going to judge, judge the person, not the poison. While we're on that topic, why the need to judge anyway? Do you derive self esteem by cutting down others? Or just bored?

[g604]

Everybody should watch the Union great documentary

Weed will never be illegal in the US. My theory is jails are privately owned the more reasons to put people into the jail = more money for the jail owners and more money for the government. Apparently if your in jail you have to pay for being there so you can walk out of jail and be in debt working to be in jail that sucks

[originalhypa]

If Herr Harper has his way, private jails are coming to Canada along with minimum jail sentences. The one that really got me saying "Hmmmm" was the one year minimum for growing pot, and the 3 month minimum for child molestation. What the fuck?

[Gridlock]

I didn't fail you because your argument is valid. But what is the difference between someone wearing a "420" shirt, and the guy next to him in a "Budweiser" shirt? Is the guy in the Bud shirt a higher quality individual because his poison is legal?

Your complaints of crime are valid, but to complain about someone's desire to be a part of something is asinine. There is a pot subculture, for the same reasons as there is a chinatown. It's a comfortable relationship where you're not going to be judged or ostracized because you're with your own kind.

I'm not interested in the lifestyle, and wouldn't be caught dead in a "420" shirt. Hell, I won't partake in public, nor would I share a joint with a stranger. That said, I wouldn't do that with booze or cigarettes either. Again, if you're going to judge, judge the person, not the poison. While we're on that topic, why the need to judge anyway? Do you derive self esteem by cutting down others? Or just bored?

I, as well, appreciate your post. Up until the personal dig at the bottom. But I'm going to ignore that.

I have no issue with whatever subculture wants to form for people to be a part of. I'm not gay, but I think pride is important for those that are. I don't want to go to their parade, and I question the actions of some that do in terms of appropriateness of actions, but let them go.

Under the same logic, I get that there is a subculture of pot smokers that want legitimacy and feel inspired to hold their own pride on April 20th.

My issue enters on the fact that I hate the smell of it, and I hate the entitlement of a lot of people that use it. Very few have respect for those that don't enjoy the skunky smell wafting into their homes. I think there is a lack of people that are advocates for pot that bring a legitimacy to the cause. And that starts to paint a lot of people with the same brush, because no one holds up the picture of Steve jobs with a joint in hand saying, "look! legitimate user!"



There is a whole dealing with pot smoking tenants angle that I'm just not going to get into because I've got my own thread for that stuff ;) But that has just brought me a whole new level of frustration.

Maybe to turn public opinion, some of these fine, educated, holds a job types need to step up and come out of the pot closet.

[Great68]

My issue enters on the fact that I hate the smell of it, and I hate the entitlement of a lot of people that use it. Very few have respect for those that don't enjoy the skunky smell wafting into their homes.



It would be dealth with the same non-smoking regulations/bylaws that are currently out there.

You say you don't want the halls of your building smelling like tobacco either, so if you don't like that what are your options?

A) Move out, to a non-smoking building
B) Change the strata regs

How would marijuana be any different?

If we're talking a private freehold house, then you're SOL. Close your window. Again, no different than with tobacco.

Your argument right now seems to be "Well, I don't like it so nobody should be allowed to use it"

[Sid Vicious]

I, as well, appreciate your post. Up until the personal dig at the bottom. But I'm going to ignore that.

I have no issue with whatever subculture wants to form for people to be a part of. I'm not gay, but I think pride is important for those that are. I don't want to go to their parade, and I question the actions of some that do in terms of appropriateness of actions, but let them go.

Under the same logic, I get that there is a subculture of pot smokers that want legitimacy and feel inspired to hold their own pride on April 20th.

My issue enters on the fact that I hate the smell of it, and I hate the entitlement of a lot of people that use it. Very few have respect for those that don't enjoy the skunky smell wafting into their homes. I think there is a lack of people that are advocates for pot that bring a legitimacy to the cause. And that starts to paint a lot of people with the same brush, because no one holds up the picture of Steve jobs with a joint in hand saying, "look! legitimate user!"



There is a whole dealing with pot smoking tenants angle that I'm just not going to get into because I've got my own thread for that stuff ;) But that has just brought me a whole new level of frustration.

Maybe to turn public opinion, some of these fine, educated, holds a job types need to step up and come out of the pot closet.

i dont like the way some ethnic cooking make houses smell a certain way...i don't bitch about it.

it doesn't matter how much well conducted research is presented to the public on the moronic nature of drug prohibition - most americans and canadians will always oppose legalization simply because they are set in their ways.

tl;dr fuck baby boomers

[K-Dub]

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[Gridlock]

tl;dr fuck baby boomers

I'm 32.

[Great68]

tl;dr fuck baby boomers

4 out of 5 uncles and 2 aunts on my mom's side have smoked pot since they were 18 (and still do), they're all baby boomers.

My mom doesn't, so I used to be pretty anti-drug when I was younger, until around 16 when I figured out what all my aunts and uncles were doing when they'd sneak around the corner at family gatherings. After I realized that none of them fucked up their lives by smoking pot, I figured it wasn't as bad as the government and all those anti-drug campaigns say it is.

The majority of the "unseen" marijuana smokers are baby boomers.

[Vansterdam]

michael phelps looks baked as fuck on that magazine cover

[Sid Vicious]

4 out of 5 uncles and 2 aunts on my mom's side have smoked pot since they were 18 (and still do), they're all baby boomers.

My mom doesn't, so I used to be pretty anti-drug when I was younger, until around 16 when I figured out what all my aunts and uncles were doing when they'd sneak around the corner at family gatherings. After I realized that none of them fucked up their lives by smoking pot, I figured it wasn't as bad as the government and all those anti-drug campaigns say it is.

The majority of the "unseen" marijuana smokers are baby boomers.

well in general the majority of people who hold legislative power are baby boomers

and anyways i didnt mean you gridlock

[minoru_tanaka]

Find a CEO who is a household name like Steve Jobs, or an actor who is well respected like Jon Hamm, and have them in a very candid campaign admitting they have (or still do) smoked weed and it didn't stop them from being successful. Avoid getting stereotypical figures like Snoop Dogg or Willie Nelson and go for people who society holds in high regard. It'll help bridge the gap for some people

There's this documentary, I think it's called Triumph of the Nerds. It's pretty old but I think I remember The Woz talking about how he and Jobs used to get high all the time. Think he also mentioned a bunch of other computer people from the 70s and 80s like they all used to chill together.

But anyways I think things are fine the way they are if the other choice is the gov't taxing it. Maybe just sales tax like everything else but I'm sure they will rape it like they do with alcohol and tobacco. If you want to get rid of the criminal element the best way is to make it cheaper. Make it not worth their while. But there will always be the States and people will always try to smuggle it across for the huge profits.

[Gridlock]

well in general the majority of people who hold legislative power are baby boomers

and anyways i didnt mean you gridlock

Ha...I wasn't sure.

[V4NC1TY]

slim chance that it'll become legal .. i'm guessing farthest they'll go is decriminalizing it

[underscore]

I didn't fail you because your argument is valid. But what is the difference between someone wearing a "420" shirt, and the guy next to him in a "Budweiser" shirt? Is the guy in the Bud shirt a higher quality individual because his poison is legal?

No, but very few people have "bud4life" as a username, but everywhere you go you see people shoving 420 and the like into usernames and shit every chance they get.

Also, beer shirts come in the box, I don't think any dealers give out a 420 shirt with every baggie (but I could be wrong).

[NJMR]

^^
you gotta take into account that pot is illegal and some people just do that 420 stuff as some kinda protest..

[Graeme S]

^^
you gotta take into account that pot is illegal and some people just do that 420 stuff as some kinda protest..
Once pot were legalized, quite a bit of the pro-420 culture would (if you'll pardon the pun) vaporize just because there is no longer a "man" to "resist" against.

[Meowjin]

in this thread, people discovering FUCKING THESPIANS BLAZE.

[originalhypa]

No, but very few people have "bud4life" as a username, but everywhere you go you see people shoving 420 and the like into usernames and shit every chance they get.

again, it's an "underground" thing. The cool kids smoke pot behind the bleachers, and if your daughter ever brought one home you'd be pissed.

A good analogy is the MMA/TapOut craze. All these kids trying to be a part of something. Back in the mid 90's it was all about snoop, and Dre, and the Chronic. That was us being dumbass kids, as I don't know anyone in their 30's who still caters to the "pot culture". All they want to do is blaze and eat Cheetos while playing Call of Duty.

Also, beer shirts come in the box, I don't think any dealers give out a 420 shirt with every baggie (but I could be wrong).

But you have to make that conscious decision to choose that box. Hell, I have a couple of "Crown Royal" hats at home. I don't wear hats, and I don't really like CR, but shit, it's free gear!
:lol

Once pot were legalized, quite a bit of the pro-420 culture would (if you'll pardon the pun) vaporize just because there is no longer a "man" to "resist" against.

werd.
I wonder if people during the prohibition had "Sleemans" or "Cutty Sark" shirts on?

in this thread, people discovering FUCKING THESPIANS BLAZE.

Is this a babelfish translation?

[unit]

^im also guilty of buying beer just for the glasses. I have more liquor glasses stowed away in my cabinets than i could ever know what to do with.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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most americans and canadians will always oppose legalization simply because they are set in their ways.
exactly, so whatever, times will change, when the majority of people that are young now, come into power later.

things change, when values change. Values change when people die.

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One of the huge hurdles has to be a roadside check for impairment level (a la breathalyzers). If any substance impairs your ability to operate a massive piece of metal at speed, then the police need to be able to test for this on the fly. I think supporters of legalization should be trying to get this developed.

And don't just push for legalization, but for safe and controlled legalization in stages.

^^
you gotta take into account that pot is illegal and some people just do that 420 stuff as some kinda protest..

Once pot were legalized, quite a bit of the pro-420 culture would (if you'll pardon the pun) vaporize just because there is no longer a "man" to "resist" against.

Oh I know, but the fact that this is the very common stereotype of a pot smoker, the "burned out stoner/typical moron" is part of what holds this back. If the people that obviously smoke pot weren't 99% retards, then the casual smokers who aren't useless at life would be a little less :alone: and everyone else would be less :heckno: about pot use.

All they want to do is blaze and eat Cheetos while playing Call of Duty.

That's another part of it. Now I know pot isn't listed as addictive, but I saw many people in highschool (and a few friends that are still like this) that NEED to smoke every single day. 95% of what they think about is smoking pot, and 95% of the time they're high to some degree. If that isn't an addition, I don't know what is.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

pot isnt physically addictive. but it is psychologically.

I know a lot of people that do various drugs, and a lot of them say pot is actually the most addictive drug they use (other than cigarettes).

well and cocaine. lol.

but factoring the cost, and other things such as how often you can do it without getting completely fucked up, how well you operate in your day to day basis while on it, how easy it is to get, and how cheap it is... i'd also say it's quite hard to stop.

you cant exactly go to work and function as a human being high on ecstasy everyday, lsd, ketamine or whatever other drug.

but weed, dude, you never need to come down on weed and you should be able to get by fine in life. sorta. haha.


I think it's pretty safe to say, anything that changes your mood can be addictive. Including music.


addiction is a pretty broad term. I know most of us are addicted to RS. or the internet at least.

[underscore]

pot isnt physically addictive. but it is psychologically.

I know a lot of people that do various drugs, and a lot of them say pot is actually the most addictive drug they use (other than cigarettes).

well and cocaine. lol.

but factoring the cost, and other things such as how often you can do it without getting completely fucked up, how well you operate in your day to day basis while on it, how easy it is to get, and how cheap it is... i'd also say it's quite hard to stop.

you cant exactly go to work and function as a human being high on ecstasy everyday, lsd, ketamine or whatever other drug.

but weed, dude, you never need to come down on weed and you should be able to get by fine in life. sorta. haha.


I think it's pretty safe to say, anything that changes your mood can be addictive. Including music.


addiction is a pretty broad term. I know most of us are addicted to RS. or the internet at least.

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[Graeme S]

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Unfortunately, this is a very popular attitude, especially with Pot. People feel that "Being high on pot isn't really being intoxicated." A coworker of mine has been warned verbally before having come in high before. I understand wanting to get high and feel good, but you wouldn't show up for work after having a couple beers, would you?

[El Bastardo]

you cant exactly go to work and function as a human being high on ecstasy everyday, lsd, ketamine or whatever other drug.




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[originalhypa]

^im also guilty of buying beer just for the glasses. I have more liquor glasses stowed away in my cabinets than i could ever know what to do with.

I don't drink much anymore, but chances are that there's a good reason for it. Like my kids drinking milk out of "Alberta Permium Rye" highball glasses.
:lol

Hey, they were free!

One of the huge hurdles has to be a roadside check for impairment level (a la breathalyzers). If any substance impairs your ability to operate a massive piece of metal at speed, then the police need to be able to test for this on the fly. I think supporters of legalization should be trying to get this developed.

What difference is there in driving on pot, or on Percocet?
Or better yet, driving while tired? - Long-weekend crash in B.C. kills 6 from Edmonton - CTV News (http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20100802/bc-highway-crash-100802/)

The point is that while I agree that there should be some method of testing drivers, a logical person knows that there is a point where legislation begins to cause more harm than good. A prime example of this is "speed limiting bumps" on the roadway. Sure, they slow you down to 20kmh, but they also bock ambulances from saving your ass when you have a heart attack in your home, one of the most common ways of dying.

Ambulance_delays (http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance_delays.htm)


95% of what they think about is smoking pot, and 95% of the time they're high to some degree. If that isn't an addition, I don't know what is.

Those people would be on ativan, or coke, or booze, or heroin, or peyote. Why? Because an addiction comes from the person, not the drug. That's why people can get hooked on shopping, or cutting themselves, or Revscene.

I think it's pretty safe to say, anything that changes your mood can be addictive. Including music.

exactly!
I love riding my mtn bike, but if I forget my iPod, my ride lasts half as long. For some reason, without music I can't get into a groove. Oh shit, someone call Dr. Drew!
:lol

I understand wanting to get high and feel good, but you wouldn't show up for work after having a couple beers, would you?

Again, how many people do show up to their respective work drunk? Or on pills? Or on a lack of sleep?

All these things will affect your performance, and someone who will show up high on pot, is just as likely to find another crutch, and use that. Again, it's not pot's fault, but the choices made by the user.


Ozzy Ungghhhghghgg pic

:lol

that's just super!

[Gridlock]

Those people would be on ativan, or coke, or booze, or heroin, or peyote. Why? Because an addiction comes from the person, not the drug. That's why people can get hooked on shopping, or cutting themselves, or Revscene.


Um, I get the whole "addiction personality" concept, but your logic here is way flawed.

When a guy gets on Intervention and says "heroine is like tasting the sunshine in your soul " then I think the drug has a little to do with it.

His addictive personality may be the reason he starts, but the drug is what takes over.

The act of shopping for addicts creates a rush. The chemistry of drugs creates that rush. Slight difference.

[originalhypa]

Um, I get the whole "addiction personality" concept, but your logic here is way flawed.

Totally like, way flawed dude?
This isn't a good start...


When a guy gets on Intervention and says "heroine is like tasting the sunshine in your soul " then I think the drug has a little to do with it.

So you're gathering your info from a tv show?
Have you considered that every addict has his own "poison". That's why someone who is hooked on coke, may never smoke a cigarette. Or someone who is hooked on Vodka, may never taste pot. Look into some of the newer case studies on addiction, and you'll see that science is looking at specific triggers that may open up a person's "addictive" side. Sometimes it's a tragic event, other times it's that the person was introduced to their drug of choice.

Tom Sizemore was talking about this on Stern the other day. He was riding a high, new TV show, big money. Then someone (Heidi Fleiss) introduced him to meth. It was an eye opening interview.


His addictive personality may be the reason he starts, but the drug is what takes over.

Are you sure about that?
Becuase again, case studies are starting to show that it's the other way around. That's not me talking, it's the scientific community.

The act of shopping for addicts creates a rush. The chemistry of drugs creates that rush. Slight difference.

The only difference is the method of finding the rush. The rush is what the addict is looking for. Whether you get it from a needle, or jumping from a plane with a parachute, it's all about the fucking rush.

[Gridlock]

Totally like, way flawed dude?
This isn't a good start...




So you're gathering your info from a tv show?
Have you considered that every addict has his own "poison". That's why someone who is hooked on coke, may never smoke a cigarette. Or someone who is hooked on Vodka, may never taste pot. Look into some of the newer case studies on addiction, and you'll see that science is looking at specific triggers that may open up a person's "addictive" side. Sometimes it's a tragic event, other times it's that the person was introduced to their drug of choice.

Tom Sizemore was talking about this on Stern the other day. He was riding a high, new TV show, big money. Then someone (Heidi Fleiss) introduced him to meth. It was an eye opening interview.




Are you sure about that?
Becuase again, case studies are starting to show that it's the other way around. That's not me talking, it's the scientific community.



The only difference is the method of finding the rush. The rush is what the addict is looking for. Whether you get it from a needle, or jumping from a plane with a parachute, it's all about the fucking rush.

We're talking semantics here, and it seems that you are looking for a bit of a fight here given there is some type of a dig in every post aimed at me.

Yes, people are looking for a rush. All I'm saying is there is a difference at that point, given the rush found may be the same but there is a difference when one person used clothes to find the rush vs a chemical that alters your brain chemistry to find it.

Yes, you can 'quit' shopping, but although you miss the rush, your brain chemistry isn't affected in the same way.

This has nothing to do with cannabis in general, as we're talking about the hardcore drugs.

Think about it. Put a "shoppers anonymous" group up next to a "Narc anon" meeting and picture the results. On one side you have a group of well-dressed broke people and on the other you have truly sad cases that don't function the same as they did before they started.

You can compare the two, yes, but you can't call them equal.

And yeah, I'm getting my information from a tv show, because although I've met a few recovering addicts, and one not so recovering I'm not that involved, I don't care that much and I don't research it.

Feel free to come up with whatever scientific studies you want to educate me on the matter, but don't try to do so when you start your post "oh yeah, this will be a good start" because I said way flawed, instead of flawed.

That just comes across as offensive.

[$_$]

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[underscore]

What difference is there in driving on pot, or on Percocet?
Or better yet, driving while tired? - Long-weekend crash in B.C. kills 6 from Edmonton - CTV News (http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20100802/bc-highway-crash-100802/)

The point is that while I agree that there should be some method of testing drivers, a logical person knows that there is a point where legislation begins to cause more harm than good. A prime example of this is "speed limiting bumps" on the roadway. Sure, they slow you down to 20kmh, but they also bock ambulances from saving your ass when you have a heart attack in your home, one of the most common ways of dying.

Ambulance_delays (http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance_delays.htm)

I fail to see where the ability to test drivers for what is likely the second most common substance-based impairment on the roads is a bad thing?

Unfortunately, this is a very popular attitude, especially with Pot. People feel that "Being high on pot isn't really being intoxicated." A coworker of mine has been warned verbally before having come in high before. I understand wanting to get high and feel good, but you wouldn't show up for work after having a couple beers, would you?

Exactly, if they do legalize it then the police and media will have to be just as informative about the dangers of doing things high as they currently are about doing things drunk. Pot takes longer to wear off than alcohol as well, if I'm not mistaken. (for the record, I've never used marijuana or any other drugs, hell I don't even take painkillers)

[Nightwalker]

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[originalhypa]

I fail to see where the ability to test drivers for what is likely the second most common substance-based impairment on the roads is a bad thing?

Me too.
That's why I wrote this.
The point is that while I agree that there should be some method of testing drivers


WThis has nothing to do with cannabis in general, as we're talking about the hardcore drugs.

Then why the hell did you bring it up in a Cannabis thread?

[Phozy]

"The War on Drugs" explained by Graham Hancock - YouTube!

Comment that stood out ;

Bottom Line: FACT is tobacco and alcohol(drunk driving deaths and injuries included) together are responsible for a significantly GREATER amount of sickness, injury and death than ALL illegal drugs combined. Numbers don't lie, look it up. Yet not only are they Legal, they are Socially Accepted, Endorsed and Advertised(mainly just alcohol, although tobacco was heavily endorsed in the past, even by doctors). With that being said, there is NO Logical, Rational, Valid reason for drugs being illegal.

[goo3]

i had to do a paper on weed before lol. There's actually a lot of research on it. I believe the tar in ur lungs is most unhealthy part, but on the whole it's not really that bad and comparable to the legal stuff.

dug this up..


Studies of the impact of chronic, heavy use of marijuana are fraught with numerous confounds. Despite the many limitations of the different studies, a few conclusions appear tenable. Long-term exposure to cannabis probably does not affect gross intellectual functioning. Nevertheless, the ability to perform quickly on elaborate tasks likely decreases with chronic use. Studies of event-related potentials reveal that the processing of information differs after years of regular cannabis consumption. These results suggest that chronic users may not provide the best performance on complicated tasks that require speedy responses. These deficits imply some alteration in brain function that accompanies chronic exposure to marijuana. The implications for these effects on the brain and nervous system appear in chapter 7.

Earleywine, Mitchell. Understanding Marijuana : A New Look at the Scientific Evidence.
Cary, NC, USA: Oxford University Press, 2002. p 95.
Copyright © 2002. Oxford University Press. All rights reserved.

[Death2Theft]

Thats why people use vaporizers.