[top_dyl]

Say if you're nearing your 30's and you have nothing saved up for a home or marriage or a good career going yet, is it ok to ask the parents for help if you know they got a few mill or 3? wrong???

[Grim]

if your nearing 30.. and you have no career goal, no money saved up. then that pretty much sums up who you are.

a lazy bag of useless dried up shit, that no one ever knew it existed until the rotting smell appears (asking for chum change, let alone "million")

no one will want to marry you.
you will have no real friends other than the ones that only wanna benefit from you.
no one will ever respond to you or give 2 shits about what you are doing because you are a 30 yr old piece of crap that has nothing accomplished in life.

your clock is ticking. u probably have about another 40-50 yrs to live.
Congratz, uve spent almost half of your life doing jack shit

[rsx]

Depends for what, if it's a wise investment for them, let's say, you want to go back to University or a technical school, then I'm sure they'll be glad to help.

[Lomac]

Joe_45?

[Geoc]

wow...

really...?

I have nothing to say... unless you are trolling

[spoon.ek9]

failed for thread title not making any sense and being a broke ass joke at 30+ years of age. no savings, no career.. what were you doing from age 18-29?

[top_dyl]

if your nearing 30.. and you have no career goal, no money saved up. then that pretty much sums up who you are.

no im not 30 yet im saying IF. im still mid 20's

[Culverin]

If you are, 30+, broke, no savings, no career, no girl.
Then you are doing something wrong.

If your parents have a couple million just lying around.
Then they are doing something right.


I would not give money to you cause you've clearly got a track record of getting it wrong. Rather, keep the money with the parents cause they obviously aren't pissing it away.

[xilley]

stfu . PERIOD

[ImportXxX]

why don't you go and find a job or pick up extra work..I know it's a little tough right now but just take what you can get and save up. I don't remember the last time i ask my parents for money, maybe when i was 14 or something. Even when they offered it to me i would feel bad and refuse it..You're suppose to help your parents as they get older..not take..

If you're parents are rich and you're not ashame of yourself for doing so..then i have nothing else to say

[Meowjin]

i dont think it's joe. I think it's that other dude I called out.

[b0unce. [?]]

ask them for a mil or 3? :seriously:

[parm104]

You're 30 years old and still refer to your parents as "parentals?"

[twitchyzero]

obvstrollisobvs

[MG1]

Wow, people............ chill.

He's just asking for advice. Not asking to be judged.

If I had millions and one of my kids needed money to get started, I wouldn't flinch, 'cause I know my kids are not blood sucking maggots. It all depends on the person and the kind of relationship they have with their parents.

I don't agree much with the wife, but one thing is for sure, she did a good job of raising the kids. No amount of money can buy you great kids. I'm thankful.


Now, if only one of them can make me a grand dad..............

[Not really racist!]

if your nearing 30.. and you have no career goal, no money saved up. then that pretty much sums up who you are.

a lazy bag of useless dried up shit, that no one ever knew it existed until the rotting smell appears (asking for chum change, let alone "million")

no one will want to marry you.
you will have no real friends other than the ones that only wanna benefit from you.
no one will ever respond to you or give 2 shits about what you are doing because you are a 30 yr old piece of crap that has nothing accomplished in life.

your clock is ticking. u probably have about another 40-50 yrs to live.
Congratz, uve spent almost half of your life doing jack shit

Sorry, but you're a fucking douchebag, you don't even know jack shit about this guy.

to the OP: I think its okay granted that you use the money to actually get a career in place or start at least, as long as you make use of it and not leech off, afterall, your parents will always be there for you right?

[Splmash]

no im not 30 yet im saying IF. im still mid 20's

So you're not planning on doing anything productive to better your situation within the next 5-ish years?

In 5 years, you can get a Bachelor's, in let's say Business. And you can definitely get a job by then.

[6insomnia9]

You have to think about it this way, if you were you parents and your children required financial aid, would you help them?

[top_dyl]

to the OP: I think its okay granted that you use the money to actually get a career in place or start at least, as long as you make use of it and not leech off, afterall, your parents will always be there for you right?

i work for the family business.

Obviously, i know the pay isn't gonna get me a head start in life cuz he's paying me 12 bucks/hour and i know he's raking it in.. its like working free yet im not getting ahead with these wages

[TOS'd]

If I had millions and one of my kids needed money to get started, I wouldn't flinch, 'cause I know my kids are not blood sucking maggots. It all depends on the person and the kind of relationship they have with their parents.

I don't agree much with the wife, but one thing is for sure, she did a good job of raising the kids. No amount of money can buy you great kids. I'm thankful.


Now, if only one of them can make me a grand dad..............
I'm never forgetting this, you said it. And I'll make you proud. :)

[MG1]

i work for the family business.

Obviously, i know the pay isn't gonna get me a head start in life cuz he's paying me 12 bucks/hour and i know he's raking it in.. its like working free yet im not getting ahead with these wages

Not sure how long your situation has been going on, but if it is a family business, it'll be yours in the end, yes? Work hard and learn the business. If you prove yourself, pops will put trust in you. If he's taking advantage of you, then you need to talk to him, man to man. Let him know of your plans. Get married, have children, buy a house, blah, blah, blah.

Is he expecting you to stay in the family business? Is he Ok with you going your own way? Are you the only child?

Most importantly, how's your relationship with pops? Is he like an understanding guy? Some fathers are impossible to talk to.

[Hehe]

I know that most people think you are trolling, but I will take a more serious shot here:

Get your mind together and figure out what you want to do!!!

Back in 2008, the RE market in US crashed. I saw some opportunity there and I borrowed 500K cash from my parents to buy a rental property and quit my job.

I'm back to a 9-5 job now to boost income because we are expecting a baby next year. I didn't want the baby to become an obstacle in my financial decisions.

So, in my example, getting $$$ from parents wasn't a bad idea as the property are bringing good money. But if you have no idea where to use that money. Get a job and don't expect that money any time soon. Only get that money as a method to accelerate your financial success.

The 500K I got from my parents isn't a big deal for them financially speaking. But it did help me a lot on building up my wealth (my properties worth close a a mil after mortgages I think, and they are good cash cows). If I were to do it all by myself, I probably need another 10 years to build a portfolio like the one I have now. I did in 3 years with their help.

[Nechako87]

^how old were your parents when they loaned you $500k? I'm just curious...did they have to liquidate some assets to lend it to you, or did they have the money in short term investments that were easily broken up?

[Hehe]

^

26

Their assets are in RE and the shares in the company they have with my uncles and friends. They don't have much liquid assets (stocks/bonds)... but through the RE holding, they generate a lot of cash... so, no asset had to be liquidated to fund the 500K. I consider them to be fairly affluent today, (they clear 600K net a year, over 1M in good times) so 500K wasn't a big deal to them.

IMO, let's say you have a good idea on how to invest any amount of money from your parent, you have to consider what kind of return they are getting.

If they have to liquidate good assets that are generating fair return, don't be stupid. It's hard to make a buck today.

[TekDragon]

Wow, people............ chill.

He's just asking for advice. Not asking to be judged.

Yeah, but this is RS. Getting judged is free and part of the package.

[niu99]

what hav u been doing for the past 30 years?

[4444]

^

26

Their assets are in RE and the shares in the company they have with my uncles and friends. They don't have much liquid assets (stocks/bonds)... but through the RE holding, they generate a lot of cash... so, no asset had to be liquidated to fund the 500K. I consider them to be fairly affluent today, (they clear 600K net a year, over 1M in good times) so 500K wasn't a big deal to them.

IMO, let's say you have a good idea on how to invest any amount of money from your parent, you have to consider what kind of return they are getting.

If they have to liquidate good assets that are generating fair return, don't be stupid. It's hard to make a buck today.

borrowing to invest in "sound" investments like this is fine (although really, why not let them in on the equity, do a 50/50 deal, so you only borrow $250k in teh example above - i'm in that same situation, but it may be a cultural difference, however my situation is dif. to OP, as i have a good career & my own money, but again, RE opportunities as good as what we have now (not in BC) are rare, so you gotta take advantage of them)

borrowing to fund a lifestyle that you can't afford and don't deserve are actions of idiots, on both the creditor & debtor

[bloodmack]

I honestly think if your parents are well off and willing to, then use them as a resource. People can make fun of others for getting help from their parents but in the end its only because they didn't or don't have the same opportunity as you.

[Mr.C]

I honestly think if your parents are well off and willing to, then use them as a resource. People can make fun of others for getting help from their parents but in the end its only because they didn't or don't have the same opportunity as you.

Sort of. I was taught to help myself, because my parents are not always going to be around. I would have been kicked out by now if I was still living with them. And this is coming from a Latin background, which has strong family ties.

However, given that OP works for the family, then that's different. Ask for the money. Just don't fucking go overboard. Get a condo in New West or Surrey, not a house in West Van.

[Grim]

Sorry, but you're a fucking douchebag, you don't even know jack shit about this guy.

to the OP: I think its okay granted that you use the money to actually get a career in place or start at least, as long as you make use of it and not leech off, afterall, your parents will always be there for you right?

Sorry, what i've just said is the truth.
its Year 2011, not 1960's.

I was not raised in the richest condition, so you may or may not understand.
For you to be nearing your 30, and have absolutely NOTHING accomplished, then you are considered complete garbage. To have no set path or direction paved out, what are your plans for the next following 5.. 10? 15 yrs?

Sure, if you have rich parents that will lend you a mill or 3, you are one lucky son of a bitch who doesnt know what a dollar is worth.

If your son is 30, and hes done jack shit in life.. would you not want to smack him up side the head and ask him wtfson?

People like you who think im completely wrong is the reason why we have retarded 20 yr olds running around in $300,000 cars speeding off on the hwy. People like you who think this is "okaY" is why we have so many lil honger./twanger boys thinking they are all pimped out in there daddy's bought ride. Those richmond boys probably doesnt even pay for their own gas for their 1/4 million cars.

I have no respect for people who lay their hands out flat asking for money when they haven't done a single thing right in their life, or have even tried.

[twitchyzero]

^ i agree with you...but it was a little harsh even for RS standards haha

[dyan]

People like you who think im completely wrong is the reason why we have retarded 20 yr olds running around in $300,000 cars speeding off on the hwy. People like you who think this is "okaY" is why we have so many lil honger./twanger boys thinking they are all pimped out in there daddy's bought ride. Those richmond boys probably doesnt even pay for their own gas for their 1/4 million cars.


Money can buy a lot of things, but it can't buy those richmond boys class.

[Meowjin]

i can't think of the username but this guy is like that asian guy that can't get laid except this one is all about money and work.

[GLOW]

was reading through the thread and 2 videos came to mind:

No Scrubs - YouTube

Get A Haircut And Get A Real Job _ GEORGE THOROGOOD and THE DESTROYERS - YouTube

:troll:

seriously though, if you're making min. wage for the family and you're not seeing any future and being treated as slave labour, you can consider taking your skills gained working at this job for something more profitable for your future. that also might shine some light in their eyes that hey maybe we should give him some incentive to keep going and not treat him like slave labour, assuming you're an important cog in the machine that is the family business

Wow, people............ chill.

He's just asking for advice. Not asking to be judged.

If I had millions and one of my kids needed money to get started, I wouldn't flinch, 'cause I know my kids are not blood sucking maggots. It all depends on the person and the kind of relationship they have with their parents.

I don't agree much with the wife, but one thing is for sure, she did a good job of raising the kids. No amount of money can buy you great kids. I'm thankful.


Now, if only one of them can make me a grand dad..............

and father many like you have on RS? :troll:
i agree with you, as a father you should know your kids' character and if it is wise to put the $ in their hands, if not, then i would think you'd be forced to make arrangements to have it handled for them so it is not wasted on month-long binge of hookers 'n blow...or even worse, a couple of years of rent, fast food take out and junk food

[LiquidTurbo]

Say if you're nearing your 30's and you have nothing saved up for a home or marriage or a good career going yet

Sounds a description of most people on RS :troll:

[Porschedog]

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[Geoc]

Sorry to be slightly thread jacking here. I am current in university, and while chatting with some friends, a lot of them are shocked when they find out I am paying for school by myself (with combination of loans and my own cash.) I told them that I believe the tuition is for my education and future, and should be my own responsibility. Most of them then told me their education is paid for by their RESP or trust fund. Some don't have jobs, the ones that do say they are for their personal luxury expenses(shopping, gas for cars, etc).

Maybe my family wasn't financially fortunate enough to save up for my university education ( which I believe they shouldn't be responsible for.) But is having complete (if not a majority of it) financial dependence on your parents even in your 20's the norm?

EDIT: Skip the italicized part if you lack the attention span to read a reason for my question.

[LiquidTurbo]

Sorry to be slightly thread jacking here. I am current in university, and while chatting with some friends, a lot of them are shocked when they find out I am paying for school by myself (with combination of loans and my own cash.) I told them that I believe the tuition is for my education and future, and should be my own responsibility. Most of them then told me their education is paid for by their RESP or trust fund. Some don't have jobs, the ones that do say they are for their personal luxury expenses(shopping, gas for cars, etc).


Cool Story Bro! :eekthumb:

[Geoc]

Edit just for you LiquidTurbo

[Culverin]

In Asian culture, there is an expectation of the kids taking care of the parents when they are old. Thus the parents feel it is their responsibility to get their kids to the point where the kids feel they are indebted to their parents.
In order to do that in this day and age, that often means paying for university and living at home after career until they can scrape enough together for a down payment. That second point is especially apt for Vancouver due to the housing prices.

So it all works out.

So when you hear about white kids being kicked out at 18 while the Asian kids is living at home until 30, now your know why.
It's cause the parents are investing into their future.
Or they just really spoil their kids.

Read into it what you will.
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[Hehe]

IMO, parents made their fortune somewhere, somehow from ground up when they had the opportunity.

Fast forward 30 years later, if you are a really smart kid, you don't start at 0 again. The idea is to take it further. Let's say that your parents are millionaires by any given standard in their late 50s. If you could use their resource and become a millionaire too by the time you are in your early 30s, there's nothing to feel ashamed of.

I don't think it's an exact correct lesson to teach my kids to start from ground up if I am a millionaire. I'd ask them to figure their way out to become billionaires... not how to become millionaire on their own. They should be better than me, not become like me.

[minoru_tanaka]

Sorry, what i've just said is the truth.
its Year 2011, not 1960's.

I was not raised in the richest condition, so you may or may not understand.
For you to be nearing your 30, and have absolutely NOTHING accomplished, then you are considered complete garbage. To have no set path or direction paved out, what are your plans for the next following 5.. 10? 15 yrs?

Sure, if you have rich parents that will lend you a mill or 3, you are one lucky son of a bitch who doesnt know what a dollar is worth.

If your son is 30, and hes done jack shit in life.. would you not want to smack him up side the head and ask him wtfson?

People like you who think im completely wrong is the reason why we have retarded 20 yr olds running around in $300,000 cars speeding off on the hwy. People like you who think this is "okaY" is why we have so many lil honger./twanger boys thinking they are all pimped out in there daddy's bought ride. Those richmond boys probably doesnt even pay for their own gas for their 1/4 million cars.

I have no respect for people who lay their hands out flat asking for money when they haven't done a single thing right in their life, or have even tried.

I have a friend whose bro was 30 and had only worked a few part time jobs and no school since high school. He asked for a pile of money and moved out. B4 he was 40 he became an MD. So far you are peanuts compared to him. Maybe be a little more civil to "loser" 30 year olds, your life might be in the hands of one some day.

[murd0c]

Wow, people............ chill.

He's just asking for advice. Not asking to be judged.

If I had millions and one of my kids needed money to get started, I wouldn't flinch, 'cause I know my kids are not blood sucking maggots. It all depends on the person and the kind of relationship they have with their parents.

I don't agree much with the wife, but one thing is for sure, she did a good job of raising the kids. No amount of money can buy you great kids. I'm thankful.


Now, if only one of them can make me a grand dad..............

Do you have a daughter? :troll:

[MG1]

Do you have a daughter? :troll:

I do.


BTW, is it just me or did your avatar just get scarier............

[Grim]

I have a friend whose bro was 30 and had only worked a few part time jobs and no school since high school. He asked for a pile of money and moved out. B4 he was 40 he became an MD. So far you are peanuts compared to him. Maybe be a little more civil to "loser" 30 year olds, your life might be in the hands of one some day.

Are you comparing me... to your friends bro?
Theres almost a 20yr gap difference. When I am 40, or whatever age I'm at, Im proud to announce that I at the every least did it with minimal help. I did not have to ask my daddy and mommy for a mill or 3. Overall, I may or may not be rich in the future, but at the very least I know I'll b living in a good condition, accomplished all by myself.

[murd0c]

I do.


BTW, is it just me or did your avatar just get scarier............

Don't know what you are talking about :whistle:

[minoru_tanaka]

Are you comparing me... to your friends bro?
Theres almost a 20yr gap difference. When I am 40, or whatever age I'm at, Im proud to announce that I at the every least did it with minimal help. I did not have to ask my daddy and mommy for a mill or 3. Overall, I may or may not be rich in the future, but at the very least I know I'll b living in a good condition, accomplished all by myself.

If that makes you feel better. I think you fail to realize that we are humans. We help our families. Or are you a turtle?

[taylor192]

I have a friend whose bro was 30 and had only worked a few part time jobs and no school since high school. He asked for a pile of money and moved out. B4 he was 40 he became an MD. So far you are peanuts compared to him. Maybe be a little more civil to "loser" 30 year olds, your life might be in the hands of one some day.

Exceptions are not the rule.

I watched many of my friends blow through lots of their parents $$$ during and after university before finally settling into dead end jobs.

Then think about how many people are MDs, or any professional that makes a decent salary. I posted in another thread that < 10% of Canadians make more than $80K/yr. If you're 30 and haven't done much, odds are against elevating yourself into that small group - don't confuse that with cannot, just the odds say most won't.

Its the same reason that 70% of lottery winners squander their winnings. If you haven't prepared yourself to handle that kind of money, odds are you're going to make poor decisions with it.

[minoru_tanaka]

Exceptions are not the rule.

I watched many of my friends blow through lots of their parents $$$ during and after university before finally settling into dead end jobs.

Then think about how many people are MDs, or any professional that makes a decent salary. I posted in another thread that < 10% of Canadians make more than $80K/yr. If you're 30 and haven't done much, odds are against elevating yourself into that small group - don't confuse that with cannot, just the odds say most won't.


Didn't appreciate his holier than thou art attitude and I asked him to take it easy on who he calls losers. ButI have to disagree with the last part of what you said. If you aren't smart enough, lucky enough and lack the resources to begin with, no matter how early you start, you will be unlikely to make it there. If you have all these attributes it doesn't really matter how old you are when you finally overcome your laziness or lack of confidence or whatever it may be.

[taylor192]

Didn't appreciate his holier than thou art attitude but I have to disagree with the last part of what you said. If you aren't smart enough, lucky enough and lack the resources to begin with, no matter how early you start, you will be unlikely to make it there. If you have all these attributes it doesn't really matter how old you are when you finally overcome your laziness or lack of confidence or whatever it may be.
Lots here don't appreciate his attitude either, yet unfortunately statistically he's correct, and that probably bothers people even more than they let on.

You can disagree with my last statement all you want, yet you missed my point. I didn't say it cannot happen, I said the odds are against you and exceptions are not the rule. If you've been lazy or lacking in confidence for most of your life, odds are you're not going to break out of that. Some do, most don't.

Thus while your story is nice, sadly his example is far more common.

[Grim]

Didn't appreciate his holier than thou art attitude and I asked him to take it easy on who he calls losers. ButI have to disagree with the last part of what you said. If you aren't smart enough, lucky enough and lack the resources to begin with, no matter how early you start, you will be unlikely to make it there. If you have all these attributes it doesn't really matter how old you are when you finally overcome your laziness or lack of confidence or whatever it may be.
I might have been 2 harsh, but for a "nearing" 30 yrold to ask this retarded question on.. REVscene... is definitely a big fail.

If that makes you feel better. I think you fail to realize that we are humans. We help our families. Or are you a turtle?

Helping and spoiling is 2 different things.

[maxxxboost]

Asking for a lot of money is unreasonable unless justified. But there is nothing wrong about asking for help.

If i was a parent, i would help.
If i was the kid, i would have no problem asking for help. Everyone matures at their own pace.
For some people that don't want help or don't need, fine; good for you. But to come in boasting about themselves and how these "people" who need help are worthless asses are just asses themselves.

But it is up to your parents. If you don't give them good enough reasons for them to give it to you. Then you better change your attitude.

[Tim Budong]

i know what the OP is going through
It hasnt been a great year for me to begin with
To put it this way, im stuck in a dead end career because of mistakes I made post secondary. To top it off, I moved out with this job, supported myself + significant other and made some cash. While all my friends went to school with a PT job, made some cash and everyone got accustomed for a certain lifestyle.

Fast Forward 4 years. Friends all graduated, making decent money and some have begun to take the next step into either investments or Real Estate. Me? I lost EVERYTHING in my life within 2 wks. Employment + a relationship.

I hit depression slightly (pair the above with the Canucks losing the cup only adds to it emotionally). I fucked up in those 4 years becuz I wasn't smart enough to SAVE the money I made from the so called "dead end career" I needed a direction, something to look forward to.

I've always had this goal to finish school. My parents were supportive, they said yes. I can fulfill a goal, and can fulfill something my parents wanted me to do 4 years ago.

I thought I'd be happy, I was given this second chance. Not many people are given opportunities like I am. My friends were all very supportive with my new found direction.

Then it hit me, school started and all I felt was guilt asking for that second chance. I did wrong in the past and I feel like garbage and a useless piece of shit because I didnt plan out my life. I coulda saved up money and went to school myself, rather I spent the money living life. Now I feel that the past 4 years, I've lived my life and accomplished nothing

My parents, being parents were supportive of course. They didnt expect me to feel guilty either, but this is a sign of maturity for myself. They are supportive in my decision, that I'm doing something with my life. Until I complete my goal and repay all the debts to them, I will always feel guilty and live with the black cloud over my head.

So take my case and decide whats best for you. As long as you feel that its not for granted, then by all means go ahead.

[minoru_tanaka]

Lots here don't appreciate his attitude either, yet unfortunately statistically he's correct, and that probably bothers people even more than they let on.

You can disagree with my last statement all you want, yet you missed my point. I didn't say it cannot happen, I said the odds are against you and exceptions are not the rule. If you've been lazy or lacking in confidence for most of your life, odds are you're not going to break out of that. Some do, most don't.

Thus while your story is nice, sadly his example is far more common.

I said he should be nicer to people. And then I gave an example of why it might hurt him in the future to try to make him reconsider. I see that you failed that post.

And I got your point. I'm saying that if you lack those attributes it will override your age. What age do you consider too late to change and overcome something like lack of confidence? At 30 you are still young and can still change or do you think at 30 people are set in their ways and for the most part will not learn?

[SFUguy]

your parents are supposed to be there for you. unless you're like the prodigal son and they disowned you.

if i were you, get the fuck out of your normal surroundings and start fresh anew in a new place.

[minoru_tanaka]

I might have been 2 harsh, but for a "nearing" 30 yrold to ask this retarded question on.. REVscene... is definitely a big fail.

So are you saying if a 30 year old asked in real life you would be much more civil?


Helping and spoiling is 2 different things.

Well at this point OP has said that he has been working for his parents in the family business but they dont really pay him. So IYO if he asked for money and they gave it to him, remember they are millionaires I'm guessing from this business that he works in, do you still think they are spoiling him or helping him?

If OP were like you he could berate us for not sacrificing for the family. Just saying, I think you went way to far. Have you read what you wrote?

[MG1]

thanks for that, darthchilli.

Everyone has a story and everyone is in a unique situation. Thanks for sharing your story. Everyone makes bad choices in life.

The guilt thing is pretty tough to deal with. My parents worked their asses off to put me through university. In my first year, I got kicked out - women and partying. I remember the day I got the letter telling me I was on probation. I felt like puking at the dinner table when my mom showed me the letter. I basically let my parents down. What a wake up call that was. I then went to college and earned first class marks and by the time I reentered and graduated from university, I finished at the top of my class and was the first to get a job offer. My parents were there for me from day one. It could have ended badly, but..........

Did I pay them back? No, but the look on my father's face at my congregation - the first in his family to get a university degree. A couple of years later, I got married, we bought a new house in Langley together with no help from either parents and number one son was born soon after that. Two kids later and nearing retirement, things turned out OK.

I don't care if someone has lots of money or not. The richest people in the world are the ones who come from a happy, suportive family. Look at the crackheads and homeless. One thing they have in common. No family - either abandoned or ran away. Some tragic stories behind them, as well.

My father passed away years ago and I'm looking after my mom now. The hell I'm going to put her in some fricken seniors home.

My children? My wife and I brought them into this god forsaken world. Not going to turn my back on them. What's really cool is, my kids, all on their own, have decided early on who is going to look after who when my wife and I get too old to look after ourselves.

To each their own..... to each their own.

[geeknerd]

If you're asian that immigrated in the past decade, it's okay to ask for a pile of money.

However, if you are white, than you probably dont live with your parents anymore anyways.

[MG1]

If you're asian that immigrated in the past decade, it's okay to ask for a pile of money.

However, if you are white, than you probably dont live with your parents anymore anyways.

Not really true........

Some Italians and Europeans are pretty family oriented.

Also, one of my friends, who is Caucasian, lives at home and he's over 40. No problem. Nobody bugs him or makes a big deal about it. He pays rent and everybody's cool about it.

Lots of people get all upset over these South Asian monster homes in Surrey. The whole extended family lives there. I can only wish for this. No idea why people have hangups about other people's living arrangements. Don't people have enough on their plate to find the time to worry about others?

[Tim Budong]

If you're asian that immigrated in the past decade, it's okay to ask for a pile of money.

However, if you are white, than you probably dont live with your parents anymore anyways.

its the 21st century. I know many whites that have graduated, have had their parents pay their post secondary education while working through it to support themselves. They also to this day still live at home saving up for future investments.

With the way the Vancouver economy is, and how expensive it is to live in this city, the above statement represents a lot of people I know.

as for that dead end career, its not dead end, in fact, I was very good at it. Just that i felt i personally needed a change in scenery as well. I also wouldnt have moved past my current position without a proper education anyways. Any higher level of management woulda almost required some sort of paper attached to it

[taylor192]

I said he should be nicer to people. And then I gave an example of why it might hurt him in the future to try to make him reconsider. I see that you failed that post.
I failed that post cause you gave an exception to justify a rule. Sure it may bite him in the ass one day, yet odds are against that so he's probably OK.

And I got your point. I'm saying that if you lack those attributes it will override your age. What age do you consider too late to change and overcome something like lack of confidence? At 30 you are still young and can still change or do you think at 30 people are set in their ways and for the most part will not learn?
A person can change at any age, just the odds they change go down with age.

[minoru_tanaka]

I failed that post cause you gave an exception to justify a rule. Sure it may bite him in the ass one day, yet odds are against that so he's probably OK.

you are getting out of hand with this against the exception to justify a rule crusade. You've never done this before?

Look both ways before crossing the street - there's usually no cars on the road outside my house, so I shouldn't look both ways?

Don't play with fire, you might burn down the house. But the odds are low that I would so it's ok to do so?

So I can't say not to call someone a loser cause one day it might come back to bite him on the ass eh? You are grasping.

[Meowjin]

god damnit taylor.

[Tim Budong]

I failed that post cause you gave an exception to justify a rule. Sure it may bite him in the ass one day, yet odds are against that so he's probably OK.


A person can change at any age, just the odds they change go down with age.

you are getting out of hand with this against the exception to justify a rule crusade. You've never done this before?

Look both ways before crossing the street - there's usually no cars on the road outside my house, so I shouldn't look both ways?

Don't play with fire, you might burn down the house. But the odds are low that I would so it's ok to do so?

So I can't say not to call someone a loser cause one day it might come back to bite him on the ass eh? You are grasping.

many words can be said

its whether or not the one person can take the opportunity and run with it.

in my mind, the OP can take the million dollars. Hell the money can come from ANYONE. Its up in the hands of the OP to do something with it that guides it's path to righteousness. Until some sort of result is presented, then nothing can bad can be said

I've gotten to know a few celebrities in my line of work thats done on the side, but this certain someone told me this from his own experiences.

"In order to succeed, one must be able to release themselves from their own comfort zone. This is a way to force change within yourself due to the environment around you in order to fulfill the BASIC needs one person requires to survive"

So I take that quote and decide for myself that in order for me to further advance myself as a person, but continue to live the lifestyle I'm use to. I must learn to change. I've stopped or cut down many of my own partying/spending habits because financially, its impossible. What I do know is that this current change in lifestyle has given me motivation to return to how I live, yet be able to take it one step further and have a future.

There is also one thing my dad quoted me from a book that I will always remember. In fact, I have this written down on my "task board" at home to remind myself of an even further goal in life that I hope to one day fulfill

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5716/img20110926013840.jpg

don't laugh at the white board... ex GF left it behind...i found it useful...HHAHA. Its so "asian" to have these things anyways....LOL

[Meowjin]

yall lucky to have parents.

noones gonna bail my ass out if i go on the streets.

[AzNightmare]

I see nothing wrong with it.
Ask your parents. I might get married in a few years, and I'll probably need some financial help getting a home.
My parents are well off, so why not? They would help.

[Walperstyle]

I took a $15,000 loan from my Mother, I'm 29. ...but then I paid it off in 3 months, because I make that much.

OP needs to get his 'ish' together. If I have no education and can pull in over $6k/mo, so can you.

[minoru_tanaka]

yall lucky to have parents.

noones gonna bail my ass out if i go on the streets.

Aren't you Greek? Find a German. :woot2:

[taylor192]

you are getting out of hand with this against the exception to justify a rule crusade. You've never done this before?
If you've read my other posts I'm consistent about this, so no, I don't use exceptions to make the rule.

Now you can stop trying in van to make some asinine point using inconsequential exceptions. I've proven it to be against the odds, and all you've done is rant and rave, making you no better than the person you were originally criticizing.

Look both ways before crossing the street - there's usually no cars on the road outside my house, so I shouldn't look both ways?

Don't play with fire, you might burn down the house. But the odds are low that I would so it's ok to do so?
Both are stupid examples of what you're trying to prove. The consequences of me calling someone a loser are inconsequential. So I call someone a loser who becomes an MD, now what? They might not take me as a client, yet if they work in a hospital they are bound by oath to treat me well. Meanwhile if I walk across the street or play with fire, I might be dead.

If you're going to stretch and use exceptions, at least put some thought into them. This is why I failed you originally, and why you're failing to make a point.

So I can't say not to call someone a loser cause one day it might come back to bite him on the ass eh? You are grasping.
Again, if you've read my other posts I often call people various names. It may one day bite me in the ass, yet odds are against it.

[minoru_tanaka]

If you've read my other posts I'm consistent about this, so no, I don't use exceptions to make the rule.

Now you can stop trying in van to make some asinine point using inconsequential exceptions. I've proven it to be against the odds, and all you've done is rant and rave, making you no better than the person you were originally criticizing.

I've written one rant at Grim. And you've been ranting and raving about how it's ok to be an asshole because odds are low that it will come back at him. What's your problem with not being an asshole?


Both are stupid examples of what you're trying to prove. The consequences of me calling someone a loser are inconsequential. So I call someone a loser who becomes an MD, now what? They might not take me as a client, yet if they work in a hospital they are bound by oath to treat me well. Meanwhile if I walk across the street or play with fire, I might be dead.

I hope you are not really too stupid to understand that you just contradicted yourself.

If you're going to stretch and use exceptions, at least put some thought into them. This is why I failed you originally, and why you're failing to make a point.
This is a simple concept that dogs, cats, monkeys, birds, pigs, cows, children, retards and mice understand. I don't understand why I have to explain it. If you walked down a dark alley and got assraped people would expect you to not want to walk down that alley anymore. But I guess being assraped in an alley is the exception and not the rule. And I guess that's why you have such a big asshole.

[taylor192]

I've written one rant at Grim. And you've been ranting and raving about how it's ok to be an asshole because odds are low that it will come back at him. What's your problem with not being an asshole?
I didn't rant and rave, I provided proof that the odds are slim which now upsets you that I essentially justified acting like an ass cause the odds are against any negative repercussions. Fair enough that upsets you, yet that doesn't make me wrong.

I hope you are not really too stupid to understand that you just contradicted yourself.
Take a moment and breathe, stop thinking of someting asinine to make yourself look stupider, now go back and reread what I posted. You might understand this time.

This is a simple concept that dogs, cats, monkeys, birds, pigs, cows, children, retards and mice understand. I don't understand why I have to explain it.
Most animals are not able to weigh the odds and consequences, perhaps that's why you identify with animals.

If you walked down a dark alley and got assraped people would expect you to not want to walk down that alley anymore. But I guess being assraped in an alley is the exception and not the rule. And I guess that's why you have such a big asshole.
Does anyone find it odd that this was his first thought? Dude, you have issues, and now I can and will call you a loser.

[minoru_tanaka]

I didn't rant and rave, I provided proof that the odds are slim which now upsets you that I essentially justified acting like an ass cause the odds are against any negative repercussions. Fair enough that upsets you, yet that doesn't make me wrong.


Take a moment and breathe, stop thinking of someting asinine to make yourself look stupider, now go back and reread what I posted. You might understand this time.

Oh no. you calm down and reread what you wrote and stop making yourself sound stupid.


Most animals are not able to weigh the odds and consequences, perhaps that's why you identify with animals.


Does anyone find it odd that this was his first thought? Dude, you have issues, and now I can and will call you a loser.
I've given you several examples already. What makes you think this was my first thought? You are correct though, when I thought of you it was my first thought I just didn't write it. Nice that of all the things I've already said, the only thing you consider a thought is you getting assraped

[BlackZRoadster]

Can the both of you quit arguing?

Im trying to read some of these inspirational stories and how have people's lives changed based on their pass.

Thanks