[WHEYsted]

I am planning to get my first car in the near future and plan on purchasing an 04'-06' E46 M3. Does anyone have any experience with the car they could share? Pros/Cons?

inb4getyour"n"first
inb4notworthydriver

[E-40six]

too much power for a barely noob :troll:

[ALEX1988]

Pros
Fun to drive
Make sure u get 6mt coupe, no cab, no smg pls.
Cons
Insurance
Maintenance
Fuel consumption
All cost a lot.

[bloodmack]

wow man, i would rather get a older used car and use it as a learning experience.. bmw m3 as first car :fuckthatshit:

[1exotic]

FAILS N TEST
http://www.itusozluk.com/img.php/7930d071e70fbccb42d6073b6da364365849/bachelor+frog
WANTS BMW M3

[Redlines_Daily]

E46 M3 is one of my all time favorite cars. SMG transmission on this model is notorious for problems, go with the manual..its more fun anyways. Insurance and maintenance are expensive, but fucking great all around car.

[1exotic]

HAS NO LICENSE
http://www.itusozluk.com/img.php/7930d071e70fbccb42d6073b6da364365849/bachelor+frog
WANTS BMW M3

[GabAlmighty]

Buy a Volvo, I hear they're safe and fast.

[WHEYsted]

Pros
Fun to drive
Make sure u get 6mt coupe, no cab, no smg pls.
Cons
Insurance
Maintenance
Fuel consumption
All cost a lot.

Wait why no cab? I like it a lot more lol.


What kind of problems occur with the SMG?

[LP700-4]

I also vote for the 6 Speed, Coupe. Someone i know has one, extremely fun even to just ride in.

Its my dream "slightly affordable" car.

[ShyGuy]

SMG hydraulic pumps seem to fail, but often times its just a relay that needs to be replaced. Mine was SMG and was perfectly fine for the 3 years I owned it. Watch out for problems once the car hits 100K km's. Try to get as low mileage as you can.

Common problems are rear subframe crack (on coupes), rear trailing arm bushings, alternator dying at around 100K km. It's a super fun car to drive. Just be prepared to pay for the maintenance. Requires special oil (Castrol 10W60) which is more expensive than most. You can get 400KM to a tank with moderate driving.

To date my favorite car I've owned (even after owning E92).

[WHEYsted]

^ The one I'm looking at says "brand new SMG transmission" is this good or bad?

[!SG]

go for the manual, but they are hard to find.

there will always be some regular maintenance items you will need to take care of.

being as its a bmw, some can be pricey, so factor that in when purchasing the vehicle, cost of maintenance.

[mmmk]

Dude, don't get an M3 as your first car. You don't know much about the M3 to begin with.
In addition, you lack the general experience when it comes to maintaining cars due to your age.
I can tell you that I've learned a lot since owning my first car. From oil changes to lowering a car myself.

Honestly, you should get a cheaper, more reliable, car.
Get experience from driving and repairing that. When you get older, you can get something more fun to drive.

Edit: Unless you're ballin' rich, then you don't need to know anything. Just pay a shop/stealership and have them fix the issues for u =D

[Szeto]

E46 M3 is one of my all time favorite cars. SMG transmission on this model is notorious for problems, go with the manual..its more fun anyways. Insurance and maintenance are expensive, but fucking great all around car.

is that SMG in general or that specific SMG on the m3?

[WHEYsted]

Dude, don't get an M3 as your first car. You don't know much about the M3 to begin with.
In addition, you lack the general experience when it comes to maintaining cars due to your age.
I can tell you that I've learned a lot since owning my first car. From oil changes to lowering a car myself.

Honestly, you should get a cheaper, more reliable, car.
Get experience from driving and repairing that. When you get older, you can get something more fun to drive.

Edit: Unless you're ballin' rich, then you don't need to know anything. Just pay a shop/stealership and have them fix the issues for u =D

Thanks for the heads up and yeah money's not really the problem. I have an abnormal obsession with cars so I will learn and have taken automotive tech classes in high school. I will definitely look into other options though.

[ShyGuy]

is that SMG in general or that specific SMG on the m3?

There have only been 3 generations of SMG. None of them have been amazingly reliable. In concept it's pretty simple though, just a computer controlled hydraulic pump connected to a standard 6speed transmission.

If the past owner of the vehicle didnt' know how to drive SMG and drove it like a regular auto (ie. holding the car on a hill with the gas instead of brake), then things like the clutch will wear out faster and abnormally.

[Zyzz]

i used to drive a manual phoenix yellow m3 with lime yellow interior

i give thumbs up to this car. Maintenance is not that expensive, only Inspection II is slightly noticeable. Oh and m cars (not sure other bmw's) rotors and brake pads gotta be changed together.

Also engine oil only takes in 10W60 synthetic oil. I had to refill mine every month (~$20 each time).

All forms of SMG sucks, even on the M5, just like the R-Tronic of R8. All shifts hella slow and laggy.

[ShyGuy]

I dunno what car you were driving, but SMG is super fast. I'd like to see anyone shift as fast with a manual tranny as SMG does at redline. It's a very violent shift but its fast!

[Happy]

i have a 02 e46 m3
only thing i regret is getting smg instead of manual
but i got an amazing deal on it so i guess it works out
maintenance isn't that expensive (mine is 100% stock besides iforged wheels)
you can do most of the things yourself
insurance isn't that bad if you have discount

don't worry about getting used to driving it
it's amazingly simple and has the perfect amount of power
when you're ready, take off traction control
and have a shitload of fun

[minoru_tanaka]

You were about to make a left turn right into an incoming car during your test. Your examiner's not going to be there when someone plows through your M3. Get a safe, reliable car and drive around for a couple years so you don't destroy the car you love. And I would get a manual transmission, keeps you aware.

Otherwise I love that thing and would buy one if I had the money over all others in it's class.

[XplicitLuder]

You were about to make a left turn right into an incoming car during your test. Your examiner's not going to be there when someone plows through your M3. Get a safe, reliable car and drive around for a couple years so you don't destroy the car you love. And I would get a manual transmission, keeps you aware.

Otherwise I love that thing and would buy one if I had the money over all others in it's class.

so you're saying that an m3 is not SAFE, RELIABLE CAR ? the car he gets has very little to do with how HE drives, im pretty sure an m3 is SAFE and a REALIABLE car :concentrate:

[bcrdukes]

Get a manual transmission M3. Try to find one that has the cooling system replaced, brakes, suspension (tie rods, ball joints, control arm bushings, etc.) and has overall been maintained. Before you run out to the bank to take out all your pretty pennies, take the car in to a reputable BMW/European repair shop for a thorough pre-purchase inspection - you won't regret it.

Oh, my E36 M3 is for sale. :D

[WHEYsted]

I learn't my lesson that day and have been triple checking my turns and only proceeding when I am sure it is safe. To be fair though it was the first time I drove in fog/heavy rain.

[Sir_Loin]

Can you drive a manual? If not practice on a beater before getting an M3 lol.

[minoru_tanaka]

so you're saying that an m3 is not SAFE, RELIABLE CAR ? the car he gets has very little to do with how HE drives, im pretty sure an m3 is SAFE and a REALIABLE car :concentrate:

Got me. but with 400 hp, in this kids hands it won't be. Fine get a cheap, safe, reliable low HP car.

[LP700-4]

Pshhh its only 330HP, and RWD so its perfectly safe. :troll:

[WHEYsted]

^ 333 to be exact :troll:

[minoru_tanaka]

I learn't my lesson that day and have been triple checking my turns and only proceeding when I am sure it is safe. To be fair though it was the first time I drove in fog/heavy rain.

Well it's more the new situations thing. There's going to be a lot of first for you driving. How about at least cruise around in your parents car for a few months, hopefully not a different high powered sports car, during rush hour, middle of the night, through downtown, down No 3 Rd and sunday mornings when people drive slow as fuck. Maybe chauffeur your grandparents around. Try to encounter as many situations as possible before getting an M3.

[TRDood]

I am in the market for an E46 M3 as well, just that I have almost ten years of driving experience and this will be my weekend car (pleasure use).

Even with a decent paying job, I am still a little hestitant in getting a M3. I currently drive a boring Toyota with barely 130hp, so this would be a very big upgrade in terms of performance/maintenance/insurance.

Cost:
2001-2004, local BC car, clean title, ~80-120km, cost anywhere from $18k-$25k.
SMG transmission is choppy as hell, compared to the smooth but powerful 335i. I don't know how to drive manual, so 6 speed manual is out of the question.
Maintenance is a bitch. A lot of E46 M3 for sale are at 90k because the current owners don't want to shell out $2500 for Inspection II.
Subframe, Valve adjustments, and other common problems just scares the shit out of me. I have been researching for the past 2 hours.

Benefits:
M car

Insurance Quote:
$2600, pleasure use, 2mil TPL, 300 comp/colli, -43% discount

Having test driven a 2002 and 2004 M3 SMG, and an CPO 2008 335i sedan, I would gamble with the M3.

Also test drove a 2011 328i xdrive demo special, it was a piece of crap. Felt like a Camry but with a $50k price tag.

Summary: $20,000 (M3) + $2600 (Insurance) + $??? (Maintenance) = Worth it

My question is... at the age of 25, decent income, should I save up for property or waste money on a car that I DON'T NEED?

[DHP 1]

^

98% of people will tell you to invest in property

than again, everyone is on a different page in terms of what to do in their life.


We do only live once, and the ultimate driving machine is waiting for you

once a legendary M machine with $90g price tag can now be in your hands for $20g

:smug::smug::smug::smug:

[bcrdukes]

I am in the market for an E46 M3 as well, just that I have almost ten years of driving experience and this will be my weekend car (pleasure use)....edited...My question is... at the age of 25, decent income, should I save up for property or waste money on a car that I DON'T NEED?

With that price tag and the fact that it will be a weekend car, there is no point in getting one. You either sell your current car and buy the E46 as a daily driver or save your pennies for a rainy day.

You'll have to set aside a good buffer of money for repairs and preventative maintenance. Spending the $20K+ for one plus the potential repairs, nevermind Inspection II, will set you back a pretty penny...and that's being conservative. And you're right. Most owners will dump these cars at 90k KM on the dash. Most of the cars you find on Craigslist usually don't have the critical repairs/maintenance done on them so be prepared to throw in an extra grand or two on that. And SMG? No thanks. The manual gearbox is much more reliable and enjoyable.

The M3 is a nice car but would I buy for the sake of a weekend car? No. It would be a daily driver. Being an M owner, albeit not an E46 M3, I'd save up my pennies instead. Driving this car in the city sucks. I would have been more than contempt with an E46 325i or 330i ZHP. I've insured two cars at once (my MR2 and Alfa Romeo) and at the end of the day, all that money you pay for insurance goes to waste because one car ends up being "a weekend car."

[WHEYsted]

Is inspection II aka "service pack 2"?

[LP700-4]

The M3 can seat 4 quite comfortably.........

Im 6'1ish and can fit in the rear seats pretty nicely.

Trunk is nice and big so not bad for DD.

[bcrdukes]

Is inspection II aka "service pack 2"?

So to say, yes. It's a factory service regimen. Reality is that these cars are considered "old" by most people. Things will break and will have to be replaced. You can't treat these cars like your parents' Corolla or Accord. They aren't built the same way.

Take a look at this for common problems for the E46 (M and non-M) - edge motorworks - 3 Series 1999-2005 (E46 & M3) (http://edgemotorworks.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=55)

[TRDood]

^

98% of people will tell you to invest in property

than again, everyone is on a different page in terms of what to do in their life.


We do only live once, and the ultimate driving machine is waiting for you

once a legendary M machine with $90g price tag can now be in your hands for $20g

:smug::smug::smug::smug:

But this will set me back 1 year for a downpayment. :okay:

With that price tag and the fact that it will be a weekend car, there is no point in getting one. You either sell your current car and buy the E46 as a daily driver or save your pennies for a rainy day.

You'll have to set aside a good buffer of money for repairs and preventative maintenance. Spending the $20K+ for one plus the potential repairs, nevermind Inspection II, will set you back a pretty penny...and that's being conservative. And you're right. Most owners will dump these cars at 90k KM on the dash. Most of the cars you find on Craigslist usually don't have the critical repairs/maintenance done on them so be prepared to throw in an extra grand or two on that. And SMG? No thanks. The manual gearbox is much more reliable and enjoyable.

The M3 is a nice car but would I buy for the sake of a weekend car? No. It would be a daily driver. Being an M owner, albeit not an E46 M3, I'd save up my pennies instead. Driving this car in the city sucks. I would have been more than contempt with an E46 325i or 330i ZHP. I've insured two cars at once (my MR2 and Alfa Romeo) and at the end of the day, all that money you pay for insurance goes to waste because one car ends up being "a weekend car."

That is very true about the insurance. I am currently paying $2400 for a Toyota at -25%, insuring the M3 will be another $2600. (Or $4000 at -25% and ditch the Toyota)

$5000 a year for insurance.. :suspicious:

I might just wait it out until next year. F30 will be in production starting November 2011.

That means by next year, prices for E46 M3 will drop once again, prices for E90 will also drop.

[bcrdukes]

Although not the same car by any means, my E36 M3 still puts a smile on my face every time. M cars are great and I specifically wanted the E36 as opposed to the E46. The market for the E46 M3s are a little rocky and it appeals to a niche market. You have to keep that in mind that in 3 or 5 years time, that car you spent $30K on will be worth just a bit over half. I wanted the E36 M3 because the market stabilized and I wanted specifically a sedan which the E46 did not come in.

One thing I learned over the years of owning a bunch of different cars is that if you buy a car for cheap, you'll end up having to throw money into fixing it/repairing what the previous owner didn't do. The biggest lesson is that you can never recoup your money for parts and maintenance. And M car parts can sometimes cost more than your average car. Oh, and let's not forget resale value. :p

[325isMSPORT]

get a e36 manual car first - crash it in 2 weeks cause understeer / oversteer then go save up for e46 m3 6spd.

[Culture_Vulture]

:lol I love how OP's sig is a reference to Bradford Chow.

[ALEX1988]

Is inspection II aka "service pack 2"?

It is kind of change all fluids, filters, along with a value adjustment. It will easily cost u $2000 at the dealer. However, u can buy the inspection2 kit for around $700 and find a shop do it which will be cheaper.
IIRC it is due at 80k kms, most e46 m3s on the market has beyond that mileage, so make sure the previous has done the inspection2 and have the paper work. It is pretty hard to find a good condition e46m3, especially a 6mt coupe, I sold mine about one year ago and still not forgotten. Good luck!

[1exotic]

:lol I love how OP's sig is a reference to Bradford Chow.

Pretty sure his parents are buying him the car since he said cost isn't a concern.

[GabAlmighty]

Pretty sure his parents are buying him the car since he said cost isn't a concern.

Too bad.

[WHEYsted]

No. I am paying part of it.




















A very small part :troll:

[GabAlmighty]

Let's get a pool goin, how long before OP dorifto's into a ditch.

[Zyzz]

I dunno what car you were driving, but SMG is super fast. I'd like to see anyone shift as fast with a manual tranny as SMG does at redline. It's a very violent shift but its fast!

u must have never met a guy who is good with his stick....

when i don't redline at 8000 rpm or press the sport button, people always go "wait this is a manual?" after sitting in my car for 10 mins.

when i redline at 8000 rpm with the sport button pressed, my back is pressed tight against the seat while my hand shifts the gear almost half a second (especially the first few cause it redlines so quick when u floor it), with the feet on the clutch doing the same thing. Not to mention every time the gear changes, the back is pressed against the seat again. It is better than sex (well i guess u can say that for every high power manual cars).

btw i have driven m3 smg, m5 smg II and r8 r-tronic... so I have a pretty good first hand experience.

[gripenM]

Although not the same car by any means, my E36 M3 still puts a smile on my face every time. M cars are great and I specifically wanted the E36 as opposed to the E46.

agreed,

the E46 M3 is described by some as a great engine wrapped in a boring car,

the E36 M3 is a driver's car
and the E46 M3 i see as more of a sporty luxury daily driver, although it is
a great looking car

It is kind of change all fluids, filters, along with a value adjustment. It will easily cost u $2000 at the dealer. However, u can buy the inspection2 kit for around $700 and find a shop do it which will be cheaper.
IIRC it is due at 80k kms, most e46 m3s on the market has beyond that mileage, so make sure the previous has done the inspection2 and have the paper work. It is pretty hard to find a good condition e46m3, especially a 6mt coupe, I sold mine about one year ago and still not forgotten. Good luck!

or you can do some of the stuff yourself,
lot of people make it out to be a bigger deal than it really is..
other than valve adjustment, which you may want a shop's expertise,
the other things are really not that hard to do..
(spark plugs, oil change, filters, diff and tranny flush)

[twitchyzero]

baby steps

1. pass N test
2. learn manual on a shit car
3. get your class 5
4. buy M3

don't worry you can accomplish all this in high school :troll: provided you don't fail any more road tests :troll: :troll:

[Happy]

when i redline at 8000 rpm with the sport button pressed, my back is pressed tight against the seat while my hand shifts the gear almost half a second

SMG in S6 shifts in 0.08 seconds
i never knew half a second was faster than 8 milliseconds

[Teh Doucher]

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee397/tehdoucher/PROG.jpg

[CharlieH]

I dunno what car you were driving, but SMG is super fast. I'd like to see anyone shift as fast with a manual tranny as SMG does at redline. It's a very violent shift but its fast!


it's super fast at redline, but for regular city driving it's a laggy, slow-shifting, notchy piece of shit. the one in my m6 is just as bad lol.

[RabidRat]

I am planning to get my first car in the near future and plan on purchasing an 04'-06' E46 M3. Does anyone have any experience with the car they could share? Pros/Cons?

inb4getyour"n"first
inb4notworthydriver

Even as your second car you're going to put the car in a lamp post.

I'm not being an asshole it's just proven fact. You could be the best damn driver in the world but at 17, all it's going to take is a Friday night and a couple of other 17 year olds in the backseat to make you do things we've all done at that age.

Except most of us were driving cars with two digits of torque :lol (and yet, the shit I used to get myself into..)

You say you like cars and you like working on cars? Pick up something older that's depreciated enough that you can sell it for what you got it for a year later, and cheap enough that if (when) you slide into a ditch you can walk away from it. If you actually manage to walk away from this without crashing the car then sell it after a year or two and you'll have enough for the M3, except now we won't see you on the news.

Also, whatever you get (and I bet you'll get the M3 because you're 17 and there's no fuckin way a 17 year old is going to say no to an M3), bring it out to autocross. Learn some car control. You're going to see exactly what it takes (surprisingly little) to lose control of the car, and then you're going to figure out how to recover if (when) shit happens.

This was probably a waste of my time, I just figured I'd try.

[GabAlmighty]

Even as your second car you're going to put the car in a lamp post.

I'm not being an asshole it's just proven fact. You could be the best damn driver in the world but at 17, all it's going to take is a Friday night and a couple of other 17 year olds in the backseat to make you do things we've all done at that age.

Except most of us were driving cars with two digits of torque :lol (and yet, the shit I used to get myself into..)

You say you like cars and you like working on cars? Pick up something older that's depreciated enough that you can sell it for what you got it for a year later, and cheap enough that if (when) you slide into a ditch you can walk away from it. If you actually manage to walk away from this without crashing the car then sell it after a year or two and you'll have enough for the M3, except now we won't see you on the news.

Also, whatever you get (and I bet you'll get the M3 because you're 17 and there's no fuckin way a 17 year old is going to say no to an M3), bring it out to autocross. Learn some car control. You're going to see exactly what it takes (surprisingly little) to lose control of the car, and then you're going to figure out how to recover if (when) shit happens.

This was probably a waste of my time, I just figured I'd try.

Hey, atleast you tried. It was a valiant effort.

[WHEYsted]

baby steps

1. pass N test
2. learn manual on a shit car
3. get your class 5
4. buy M3

don't worry you can accomplish all this in high school :troll: provided you don't fail any more road tests :troll: :troll:

I'm not in high school...

[WHEYsted]

Even as your second car you're going to put the car in a lamp post.

I'm not being an asshole it's just proven fact. You could be the best damn driver in the world but at 17, all it's going to take is a Friday night and a couple of other 17 year olds in the backseat to make you do things we've all done at that age.

Except most of us were driving cars with two digits of torque :lol (and yet, the shit I used to get myself into..)

You say you like cars and you like working on cars? Pick up something older that's depreciated enough that you can sell it for what you got it for a year later, and cheap enough that if (when) you slide into a ditch you can walk away from it. If you actually manage to walk away from this without crashing the car then sell it after a year or two and you'll have enough for the M3, except now we won't see you on the news.

Also, whatever you get (and I bet you'll get the M3 because you're 17 and there's no fuckin way a 17 year old is going to say no to an M3), bring it out to autocross. Learn some car control. You're going to see exactly what it takes (surprisingly little) to lose control of the car, and then you're going to figure out how to recover if (when) shit happens.

This was probably a waste of my time, I just figured I'd try.

Nope. Thanks to your reverse psychological post your time was not wasted lol. I honestly appreciate all the positive/negative feedback you guys are giving me and I will take all of it to heart. Don't judge me just because I want an M3 @ 18 years old. What and where is autocross exactly?

[Zyzz]

SMG in S6 shifts in 0.08 seconds
i never knew half a second was faster than 8 milliseconds

sigh.... are u trying to get technical now? Manual is faster than SMG/SMG II period. M-DCT on the other hand is a different story.

drive your second hand last gen m3 more before you start talking to other M or other high powered car first hand owners

[DavidYeh]

My question for you is this:

Why do you have such a sense of entitlement that you would be satisfied owning an expensive car that you cannot pay for? Let alone pay for the repairs, maintenance, insurance, gas etc etc.? Ok, maybe you can pay for insurance/gas and a bit of maintenance, but you are still living at home and your parents are still paying almost all of your bills so your still powered by dad.

Get started early by working hard, may it be going to school or working, at the end of it, it all pays off and you can get whatever you want/can afford at that point. It may not be an M3 but at least you bought it with your own hard work.


Dont be that guy borrowing a mil or 3 from your parents when your 30.

[Happy]

sigh.... are u trying to get technical now? Manual is faster than SMG/SMG II period. M-DCT on the other hand is a different story.

drive your second hand last gen m3 more before you start talking to other M or other high powered car first hand owners

I know manual is faster but its very hard to shift faster than smg. I know a lot of drivers can do it, I'm saying you can't because your "half a second" shift is slower than smg. You said it yourself buddy no need to get all butthurt

@wheysted
Don't let anyone change your mind about getting an m3, I bought mine when I was 19 and it was my second car. Age has nothing to do with anything. If you have the money go get one! Plus its not THAT fast like I said before it has the perfect amount of speed and handling. Unless you're a complete retard you won't kill yourself lol
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Who are we to judge what one can and cannot have? This isn't what the thread is about.

so true
there's too much jealousy on RS
i bought mine by myself at a young age
this guy has his parents to buy him one at a young age
no one says shit to me and everyone rags on him
poor guy lol

[WHEYsted]

My question for you is this:

Why do you have such a sense of entitlement that you would be satisfied owning an expensive car that you cannot pay for? Let alone pay for the repairs, maintenance, insurance, gas etc etc.? Ok, maybe you can pay for insurance/gas and a bit of maintenance, but you are still living at home and your parents are still paying almost all of your bills so your still powered by dad.

Get started early by working hard, may it be going to school or working, at the end of it, it all pays off and you can get whatever you want/can afford at that point. It may not be an M3 but at least you bought it with your own hard work.


Dont be that guy borrowing a mil or 3 from your parents when your 30.

Thanks for the advice, but who said I am not working hard towards paying for part of the car? Who said I can't enjoy the finer things in life if I have the resources? Not everyone has to work their ass off in order to acquire things. You only live once, so why waste your entire life working towards something that is sub-par?

[Teh Doucher]

Thanks for the advice, but who said I am not working hard towards paying for part of the car? Who said I can't enjoy the finer things in life if I have the resources? Not everyone has to work their ass off in order to acquire things. You only live once, so why waste your entire life working towards something that is sub-par?


in other words, your parents have a little money and they are willing to buy you a car and pay for your education. right on, wish i had those luxuries at 18.

[bcrdukes]

Who are we to judge what one can and cannot have? This isn't what the thread is about.

[Titanium1.8]

M3 is nice, if you can afford all the other stuff mentioned. If it means that you spent ALL your money on the car and cannot do anything else like going out with friends, it won't be fun at all. =)

[Roach]

M3's are awesome. Still look gorgeous. My buddy is selling a super mint '04 SMG Carbon black on red if you're interested. Shoot me a PM.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3692666225_c0a4a7668d_o.jpg

Kev

[JoshuaWong]

E46 FTW .... albeit a CSL
http://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=411779&d=1280189611

[1exotic]

Buying a car is one thing, but maintaing it is another.

I see those guys all the time buy some car to have it on craigslist 1 month later saying they can't afford it.

[lowside67]

It's also worth saying that 90% of BMW owners think they maintain their car because they change their oil, brakes, and tires. To make that BMW with 100k drive like it SHOULD it requires doing the things that are often overlooked... things like suspension bushings are critical and virtually never done until they are completely hosed but contribute so much to whether a car feels "tight" or "sloppy". Other things that need to be done but are often ignored... brake fluid flushes to keep the pedal firm, differential fluid to keep the LSD functioning well (NOT lifetime fluid)... then there are the things unique to the E46 M3... #1 important thing to do is VALVE ADJUSTMENTS every 30k!!!

My old M3, a very rare sunroof delete car in "Mystic Blue Metallic" with the Cinnamon interior:

http://mark.burnabyautomall.com/2008_0214_m3/1.jpg

[CorneringArtist]

I still wish that there was a sedan version of the E46 M3...

[WHEYsted]

Alright guys, I decided to take the advice on holding off on the M3 and have decided on an '07-'09 328i coupe to start. Now does anyone have any experience with that car? Pros/cons? Please take your hate out of this thread and I don't give a fuck if you think being powered by parents is lame.

@Roach. :sweetjesus: that is sex. Thanks for the offer but I'll wait a bit until I get some driving experience.

[GabAlmighty]

I don't give a fuck if you think being powered by parents is lame.


I THINK this is sig worthy. Thanks bro.

And for the record, it is lame. Go buy your own shit, or power yourself and you'll know what I mean. Until then, well, don't kill yourself.

[The_AK]

*edit* ahh fuck it,
good luck paying for oil changes

[Cman333]

I am planning to get my first car in the near future and plan on purchasing an 04'-06' E46 M3. Does anyone have any experience with the car they could share? Pros/Cons?

inb4getyour"n"first
inb4notworthydriver

Awesome car, but expect to shell out alot of money to maintain it and keep it running. If you don't have thousands at your disposal I wouldn't suggest it.

SMG transmission is known for issues and costs thousands to repair. I've known a few people that had to rebuild their SMG tranny. Very costly.

If you're buying your first car, buy something practical unless you're some rich mainland chinese dude and your dad is buying you a ferarri.....oh wait....used M3.....

Yeah....buy something practical if it's your first car. Otherwise your first car will be up for sale very quickly and you'll lose thousands.

Affording the car is one thing, maintaining it is another. Owning a nice car that you can't drive because you can't afford to fix it is pointless.

[WHEYsted]

I THINK this is sig worthy. Thanks bro.

And for the record, it is lame. Go buy your own shit, or power yourself and you'll know what I mean. Until then, well, don't kill yourself.

What I meant was to a certain extent. Obviously you shouldn't rely on your parents after 19 since that is the legal age of adulthood in Canada. Not all of us are forced to gain financial independence as teens... bro.

For the record, all this fuckery is making me rethink my priorities in life and maybe a flashy car isn't necessary in my life right now... :fulloffuck:

[bcrdukes]

For the record, all this fuckery is making me rethink my priorities in life and maybe a flashy car isn't necessary in my life right now... :fulloffuck:

I've gone through my fair share of cars. By no means anything "flashy" such as an E46 M3 but now that I'm old(er), to me, a car is a car.

And looking back at all the money I spent on cars, I wish I had saved all that money. :alone:

[1exotic]

Awesome car, but expect to shell out alot of money to maintain it and keep it running. If you don't have thousands at your disposal I wouldn't suggest it.

SMG transmission is known for issues and costs thousands to repair. I've known a few people that had to rebuild their SMG tranny. Very costly.

If you're buying your first car, buy something practical unless you're some rich mainland chinese dude and your dad is buying you a ferarri.....oh wait....used M3.....

Yeah....buy something practical if it's your first car. Otherwise your first car will be up for sale very quickly and you'll lose thousands.

Affording the car is one thing, maintaining it is another. Owning a nice car that you can't drive because you can't afford to fix it is pointless.

exactly this.

[DavidYeh]

Thanks for the advice, but who said I am not working hard towards paying for part of the car? Who said I can't enjoy the finer things in life if I have the resources? Not everyone has to work their ass off in order to acquire things. You only live once, so why waste your entire life working towards something that is sub-par?

Please take your hate out of this thread and I don't give a fuck if you think being powered by parents is lame.

What I meant was to a certain extent. Obviously you shouldn't rely on your parents after 19 since that is the legal age of adulthood in Canada. Not all of us are forced to gain financial independence as teens... bro.

For the record, all this fuckery is making me rethink my priorities in life and maybe a flashy car isn't necessary in my life right now... :fulloffuck:

I know Im off topic about buying a car, but hear me out

Alright kid, you seem to think that since you have not reached the legal age of 19, it is still okay to be powered by parents. I get it that you are from a well enough off family and your parents are able and willing to give you a means to enjoy finer things in life, but this sheltering has given you a false sense of entitlement.

I am not jealous at the fact that you don't need to gain financial independence or you have access to resources to drive flashy vehicles at a young age. I just thought that maybe flashing your parent's cash around by means of an M3 would be less appealing than powering your own way to something you bought with with your own hardwork and money. I always feel better when I know I worked hard for what I have earned. But I guess times have changed.

[twitchyzero]

I'm not in high school...

Don't judge me just because I want an M3 @ 18 years old. What and where is autocross exactly?

My bad for being a year off:concentrate:

[swfk]

Glad you chose a 328 instead of a E46 OP, just something to consider though. Not trying to be mean but you say you like cars etc yet haven't read into autocross or learned stick? Might want to reconsider definition of liking cars. Again, not at all being mean here

Btw I'm somewhat jelly of being 18 and having parents buy you a car lol, I'm 18 also but I gotta work my ass off and save up for my own DD lol

[Redlines_Daily]

that doesnt make any sense. He doesun't have to like autocross or a manual transmission to like cars, lol. My gf likes hockey but she doesn't know any of the rules!

[swfk]

that doesnt make any sense. He doesun't have to like autocross or a manual transmission to like cars, lol. My gf likes hockey but she doesn't know any of the rules!

Nevermind it's an abnormal obsession :concentrate:

Thanks for the heads up and yeah money's not really the problem. I have an abnormal obsession with cars so I will learn and have taken automotive tech classes in high school. I will definitely look into other options though.

[Teknique]

An M3 is not going to be a great first car with a fresh N licence.

Think about all the hot exotics that got busted with N signs hanging on the back. Doesn't it look lame as hell?

Get something generic, mine was a '98 Acura EL. Something you won't cringe if you curb it, or heaven forbid, ding a door panel or get rear ended by some old lady trying to parallel park (which all happened to me).

Then when you have all your little nitpicks about your current car, you have a better knowledge of what you want in your second car. And you'll for sure treat her better than your first. Plus all the years you spend driving your older car is gonna be cheap insurance and work towards earning you a discount with cumulative years.

[too_slow]

Didn't read all four pages, but:
-For those who think you can get a mint M3 for $20k .. it better be CPO, or you have a reserve fund of $8k for repairs
-A stock M3 is safe if you're not a douche with the throttle, and your tires are kept in tip top shape
-a E46 330ci ZHP has the looks, but it is a little slower, but much more manageble in terms of maintenance, repairs + insurance costs.. I'm just throwing it out there
-Also, if you are only buying it to impress hs girls.. please leave the good condition cars alone for genuine enthusiasts to buy and to enjoy.. kthxbye

[too_slow]

Also, the 328i hardtop vert is dog slow.. For the same price, you can find a 135i vert if you really want an open top that badly?

[C63jai]

I had 328xi as my first car, it's a really comfortable/luxurious ride and has enough speed to satisfy you as a New driver (Faster than most average DD's). The xi version is also dependable in the snow, but of course with snow tires on. The only con. I can think of is that the xi rides almost an inch higher than the 328i, you could get the rwd 328i if you cared about those appearances haha. I would prefer the xi though, because of snowy winters in BC and the awd is better choice for a New driver in the snow. Other than that I think the 328i or xi are more than excellent cars for New drivers.

[GG]

stay away from SMG unless you can find a mint one thats been serviced properly. They are affordable, but doesnt mean its maintenance friendly. Prepare couple grand on the side just in case shit goes wrong.

E46 > E92

[Tapioca]

stay away from SMG unless you can find a mint one thats been serviced properly. They are affordable, but doesnt mean its maintenance friendly. Prepare couple grand on the side just in case shit goes wrong.

E46 > E92

The OP should just buy a lower-end E46 coupe, like a 325 or a 328 with a stick shift. Set a budget of say 15K, buy one for 13K, and spend the difference on the inevitable repairs that it will need to get it back into good running condition. He can get used to driving a rear wheel drive car and learn to appreciate German engineering at its finest. In a few years, he could always upgrade to an E92 M3.

Btw, E30> all other 3 series. :troll:

[bcrdukes]

Btw, E30> all other 3 series. :troll:

Slight correction: E30 M3 (aka God's Chariot) > all :troll:

[Z3guy]

dude, get an e46 M3. It is the best $20K you can spend on a car. Not best in anything, but good in everything.

[Redlines_Daily]

^a $20k E46 M3 is probably going to have very high km's or require immediate expensive maintenance. I think good deals can be found in the $25k range

[Z3guy]

^ I agree, whatever budget allows, buy the newest lowest kms E46 M3 you can afford. I wouldnt buy one with more than 80K kms though. Also, try to get an 04 or newer (LED tails)

[Kalize]

E46 M3 is an awesome car to own but have some extra money in your pocket for repairs
There is a big price gap between the model years (between $16k-40K) ; expect to pay top dollar for a clean well maintained car.

[bcrdukes]

I wouldnt buy one with more than 80K kms though.

Would you mind sharing your reasons why? I'm curious and it would be beneficial for everybody to learn something new. I ask because I don't know why I wouldn't unless the car was obviously uncared for.

[.Renn.Sport]

I've had my M3 since I was 18. So fuck all those that never had a M3 when they were 18.
The only thing I would say buying a M3 as first car is bad is that you won't be able to enjoy any regular BMW. You would only want to drive M cars in the future, everything else including the M sport BMWs will disappoint you.


Maintenance isn't really far off than a regular BMW. I only take the car to BMW for the big services, the oil change, I just take it to a regular garage.

My E46 is probably the oldest car I have now, and its still one of the best car I have!

And a E46 M3 is hardly fast nowadays. a 335i can easily beat it in a straight line.

[bcrdukes]

LoL WTF!?

http://www.americansweets.co.uk/ekmps/shops/statesidecandy/images/american-poppycock-original-almond-pecan-popcorn-clusters-new-99g-3.5oz-bag-4292-p.jpg

[twitchyzero]

why isn't Hyde v2.0 banned yet

[Z3guy]

Would you mind sharing your reasons why? I'm curious and it would be beneficial for everybody to learn something new. I ask because I don't know why I wouldn't unless the car was obviously uncared for.

The E46 M3 seems to have the same issues when it reaches approx. 100k kms

1) Sub Frame - depends if car has been driven aggressively (i.e. burnouts)

2) SMG - hydraulic pump failure

3) Vanos Problems - the seals go and you have to replace the system for $2-4k

4) All Wear and Tear Parts - rotors, pads, bushings, clutch, need replacement

5) 80k Kms - inspection 2 which costs $2.5K

That's why it is worth spending $35K for a 05-06 M3 Vs $20K for a 02 M3 with high kms.

[CharlieH]

The only thing I would say buying a M3 as first car is bad is that you won't be able to enjoy any regular BMW. You would only want to drive M cars in the future, everything else including the M sport BMWs will disappoint you.



i think this part is pretty true though

[bcrdukes]

i think this part is pretty true though

I'll play Devil's Advocate and disagree but on a different note.

I would like to over emphasize that as long as you aren't a spoiled rotten, overly entitled lying sack of shit, you can and will find enjoyment of driving a non-M BMW. *coughHydecough*

Coming from a humble E30 325i to an E36 M3, having driven an E46 M3 and E92, I drove an E46 325i and still thoroughly enjoyed it. Sure, it may not have the same power nor suspension design but in the end, it was still a fun and enjoyable car to drive. I can still jump into my old E30 and it will still put a smile on my face no problem.

I think if we weren't lying to ourselves, we can easily tell that comparing non-M cars to an M car is no different to comparing apples to oranges. But then again, some of us here (no names mentioned) like to think of it as comparing a Royal Gala to a Granny Smith. :rolleyes:

[CharlieH]

My question for you is this:

Why do you have such a sense of entitlement that you would be satisfied owning an expensive car that you cannot pay for? Let alone pay for the repairs, maintenance, insurance, gas etc etc.? Ok, maybe you can pay for insurance/gas and a bit of maintenance, but you are still living at home and your parents are still paying almost all of your bills so your still powered by dad.

Get started early by working hard, may it be going to school or working, at the end of it, it all pays off and you can get whatever you want/can afford at that point. It may not be an M3 but at least you bought it with your own hard work.


Dont be that guy borrowing a mil or 3 from your parents when your 30.

this thread is about people's thoughts on the m3, not whether or not OP deserves the car. but like most of these threads, it just ends up turning into a shit storm of people passing judgment on someone they don't know. i've noticed from other threads that you're very adamant on the whole "you aren't shit if you take handouts from your parents" thing, which is completely fine because that's your opinion.

But what makes you think that the OP doesn't "work hard"? Granted, there are tons of kids who just take handouts from their parents and do shit all, but I don't think you can make that kind of assumption simply because his parents are buying him a car.

i know tons of people who are in their late teens/early 20's who still live off their parents and drive nice cars. some are going to law school, some are almost finishing up med school, all while their parents pay for their housing, bills and everything else in between. but once they're graduated, they'll have careers that will eventually make them more money than their parents ever did. IMO the point of parenting is to do the best you can so your kids can use your resources and be even more successful in the end. hence the term, "the rich get richer".

[WHEYsted]

^ real talk.

[Tapioca]

Coming from a humble E30 325i to an E36 M3, having driven an E46 M3 and E92, I drove an E46 325i and still thoroughly enjoyed it. Sure, it may not have the same power nor suspension design but in the end, it was still a fun and enjoyable car to drive. I can still jump into my old E30 and it will still put a smile on my face no problem.


Of course the E30 puts a smile on your face because, after all, it's an E30. :troll:

M3 stands for "Money X3". Does an M3 really deliver 3 times the performance and fun over a "regular" 330 at an average of 3 times the cost?

[TOS'd]

I think if we weren't lying to ourselves, we can easily tell that comparing non-M cars to an M car is no different to comparing apples to oranges. But then again, some of us here (no names mentioned) like to think of it as comparing a Royal Gala to a Granny Smith. :rolleyes:

I prefer Honeycrisp apples.


This is an excellent vehicle as a first car.

[Z3guy]

i think this part is pretty true though

I agree. The term ignorance is bliss, is so true. My first M car was an 2002 E46 m3. I think it was a logical evolution from my 2001 330ci. I admit I am a BMW fanboy (less now than 5 yrs ago, due to M cars getting soft, but that is another story). This is my evolution of BMW cars

1982 320i - my dad's car, but he souped it all up in the day, with big 15 inch Panasports, bilstein shocks, lowered, bored and stroked to 2.1L motor. I had a 82 Civic at the time and remember driving my dad's car going, holy cow, these BMW cars drive different than anything else I driven.

1984 318i (e30) - gutless with a 4sp auto, but loved the car. It handled really well

1992 318is (e36) - first modern BMW. Looked fucking kool with RD bodykit and 17 inch RD wheels. Again, handled and looked awesome, but was slow like shit.

1996 328is (e36) - looks like a 318is, but drove completely different, gotta love BMW inline 6 torque.

2001 330ci (e46) - just like my 328is, but updated.

2002 M3 (e46) - one of my fav cars all time.

2005 545i (e60) - owned for 1.5yrs, great smooth power, but with no LSD, it was an one wheel wonder.....could not lay down the power, absolutely sucked balls!!! swore I will never buy a non M car again

2008 M5 (e60) - a big boat, great power and DD. Perfect for my family and a compliment to my 04 GT3.

It is true, once you go Mcar it is hard to go back to a regular bimmer. The steerings feels ultra slow, the susp feels soft, and the engines are just plain boring Vs M engines.

I am so sad Mcars are so mainstream now. I will never forget my first drive in an E30 M3......wow!!!!! BMW should start developing the CSL line to compete with Pcar GT line....that's when hardcore motorsport guys will com back to M cars.

[Z3guy]

Of course the E30 puts a smile on your face because, after all, it's an E30. :troll:

M3 stands for "Money X3". Does an M3 really deliver 3 times the performance and fun over a "regular" 330 at an average of 3 times the cost?

that's like saying is a Rolex watch 3x as good as Omega. It's called the law of dimishing returns. Talk to any audiophile.

[bcrdukes]

^
I think a fair comparison in Tapioca's example would be the 330i ZHP compared to the M3.

It may not be an M car but damn, it is one hell of a great car for the money.

And as skyxx once said to me, ///Marketing. :troll:

[Tapioca]

that's like saying is a Rolex watch 3x as good as Omega. It's called the law of dimishing returns. Talk to any audiophile.

I consider myself an audiophile and I very much understand the concept of diminishing returns (I do listen to vinyl after all.)

The OP needs to drive something like a ZHP and compare that to the M3 to determine if he thinks having an M3 is worth the extra cost.

[ShyGuy]

M3 is definitely worth the extra cost. You can't even compare in terms of driving enjoyment. I had a 335i w/ bolt on suspension mods (coilovers, sways) and I could never get it to handle anywhere close to my M3.

It is true, once you go "M" you can't go back.

[Roach]

I've had my M3 since I was 18. So fuck all those that never had a M3 when they were 18.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[N.gen]

It is true, once you go "M" you can't go back.

^^ EXACTLY the same....

I went from 335i (KW suspension, Alcon BBK, catless DP+ecu making 400whp) to m3 (e36m3 with JUST suspension and brakes @ 205whp) and I never think regret getting rid of the [non-M] 335i.

Yes, it isn't an E46M3 but I've also driven em to compare and it is definitely on my NEXT car list...

[BrRsn]

I consider myself an audiophile and I very much understand the concept of diminishing returns (I do listen to vinyl after all.)

The OP needs to drive something like a ZHP and compare that to the M3 to determine if he thinks having an M3 is worth the extra cost.

ZHP is :sweetjesus::sweetjesus:

Just an FYI a ZHP is pretty expensive to keep running properly too. The lower control arms/bushings go bad around 80,000km, and replacing them costs $600 a side. Still, cheaper than the m3 though.

Doesn't the m3 require a valve adjustment every 25,000 kms? From what I've heard, that can be pretty expensive too.

If you've got the money for an m3 @ 18 you're parent powered. if you're parent powered, they'll also pay for your maintenance, just get the m3 and don't drive like a dick and you'll live. If you don't, at least darwin's theory of evolution still holds.

Also the ZHP needs 94 octane + you pay a premium for mods just as you would with an m3 (the AA software flash is something like $600 whereas regular price for a 330i is $400, headers made for a 330i fit the zhp funny (or atleast the one's I had to deal with did) and had to be modified) + it takes synthetic .. zhp would be cheaper but not sure if its justified getting a ZHP over an M3 strictly for lower cost of ownership

[Cman333]

I think OP just needs to determine whether he can afford the expensive maintenance. It's not one of those forgiving cars where you can let maintenance slip. If OP is a student working for crappy pay then look elsewhere. If OP is a spoiled brat kid like Hyde AKA Renn (you know the ones that make public posts about not having baller Xmas dinners) living/working off their parents then sure. Why not just buy an E92 then.

I've driven tons of them, lots of my friends have had them, worked on tons of them, they're truly an amazing car. If you're truly an enthusiast, you'll love the car. Just make sure your bankroll can afford it.

Do some research yourself on the BMW forums and see what problems arise and get an idea of how much things cost to buy, replace, maintain and repair. If you're financially prepared....GO FOR IT.

I personally like the E46 better than the E92 in terms of the overall feel. Seems more balanced.

[ShyGuy]

Bottom line: If you can afford a clean relatively low mileage M3 and know what to expect in terms of maintenance costs, go for the E46 M3. You won't regret it. Talk to the owner of the vehicle and make sure he knows a little about his car. If it's been maintained properly then the car will last a long time.

[6insomnia9]

Car money + insurance + gas + maintance .

Get ready for shit storm.
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[dogeatcookie]

Car money + insurance + gas + maintance .

Get ready for shit storm.
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My insurance is 3800ish with 25% discount. Inspection II cost me 1800 at Park Shore BMW, I was quoted 2500 at Brian Jessel... Also VANOS fucks up all the time in these cars, that's a 5000+ job :heckno:

[str8hustla]

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[6insomnia9]

M cars are fucking awesome, I drove a 2007 m5 , holy fuck best car I ever driven. After I drove my car and was like this is a piece of shit LOL.

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[1exotic]

UR A GOOF U AINT GETTING NO CAR U PUSSY IF U GET IT IMMA ROB U FOO

lol....








School: High school
Vehicle: Acura RSX

[skiiipi]

Sorry to revive this thread, but I had a few questions about the E46 M3 as well and I didnt want to create a new thread for it.

I'm actually contemplating trading my current vehicle (07 Subaru Legacy) for a 2006 BMW M3 Carbiolet.

The car i'm looking at currently has aroudn 37xxxKM, and is a 6 Spd MT transmission.
The asking price is just shy of $40K.

A couple of question I have would be,
1. What are some of the things I should be aware of at 37K, any major maintence that should've been done? (One would assume that at under 37K there shouldnt be major servicing other than oil change)
2. How reliable is the Convertiable? any leak issues? Motor issues? in general that is
3. Is the asking price fair? I dont plan on paying 40K for it, I am hoping to negoiate a trade in with my current vehicle so that the difference is under 10K.....
4. How is the car in "bad weather" i've been spoiled by a subaru for the past 4 years, and love how it handles in rain and snow. Not that I will be doing a lot of snow driving in this car, but if I get snow tires, would I be able to make the odd trip to whistler/cypress with ease?

I understand that the maintenance cost is quite a bit higher than my current car, however I am in a position where I drive less than 400km per month right now. I walk to work, and this car will mainly be for pleasure use, so I'm not too concerend about maintenance.

Any feedback or info would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

[1exotic]

If you can, and want to.. then I say go for it.
6-speed :sweetjesus: they are damn fun to drive.

[Shorn]

cabriolets.. not my thing but if you like it then you like it.
also slower and doesn't handle as well as the coupe/sedan version

[skiiipi]

cabriolets.. not my thing but if you like it then you like it.
also slower and doesn't handle as well as the coupe/sedan version

totally understand that performance wise coupe/sedan is the way to go
however, i'm looking at this car not 100% from a performane stand point.
sure if a coupe version with similar KM/color/transmission was avaliable I would pick it over the convertable.

However it is not the performance that I am concerned about, it is the realiability, this definately wont be a "summer only weekend car" it will be my daily driver (despite the fact that I dont drive daily). So reliability is of some what importance to me.

[bcrdukes]

Daily driving a convertible in this city is not advisable unless you keep the vehicle in a garage and transit on a regular basis. In other words, I don't recommend a convertible whatsoever unless you have a hard top. At 37,000km, be prepared for an Inspection I and/or II aka $$$$$. You'll also have to be prepared to replace suspension parts such as bushings, control arms, tie rods, strut mounts and the whole shebang. Oh yeah, maybe even the cooling system - radiator end tanks, water pump w/metal impeller, thermostat etc. Mileage is not the issue here. Age is. BMWs are all about preventative maintenance.

The car will be 5, moving on to 6 years old. By this time, the top will slowly develop leaks and/or tears. You will eventually have to replace it or fix it, or WHY. And if you want to take this up the mountain...keep the Legacy. So much better in terms of reliability, functionality, and practicality.

[.Renn.Sport]

Daily driving a convertible in this city is not advisable unless you keep the vehicle in a garage and transit on a regular basis. In other words, I don't recommend a convertible whatsoever unless you have a hard top. At 37,000km, be prepared for an Inspection I and/or II aka $$$$$. You'll also have to be prepared to replace suspension parts such as bushings, control arms, tie rods, strut mounts and the whole shebang. Oh yeah, maybe even the cooling system - radiator end tanks, water pump w/metal impeller, thermostat etc. Mileage is not the issue here. Age is. BMWs are all about preventative maintenance.

The car will be 5, moving on to 6 years old. By this time, the top will slowly develop leaks and/or tears. You will eventually have to replace it or fix it, or WHY. And if you want to take this up the mountain...keep the Legacy. So much better in terms of reliability, functionality, and practicality.

:seriously:
37k KM is consider pretty low milege and an 06 car is the last of the E46 M3.
my 02 still doesn't require any of the above changed or replaced and my car is fine. All I do is regular maintenance and all BMW inspections.

[Z3guy]

Daily driving a convertible in this city is not advisable unless you keep the vehicle in a garage and transit on a regular basis. In other words, I don't recommend a convertible whatsoever unless you have a hard top. At 37,000km, be prepared for an Inspection I and/or II aka $$$$$. You'll also have to be prepared to replace suspension parts such as bushings, control arms, tie rods, strut mounts and the whole shebang. Oh yeah, maybe even the cooling system - radiator end tanks, water pump w/metal impeller, thermostat etc. Mileage is not the issue here. Age is. BMWs are all about preventative maintenance.

The car will be 5, moving on to 6 years old. By this time, the top will slowly develop leaks and/or tears. You will eventually have to replace it or fix it, or WHY. And if you want to take this up the mountain...keep the Legacy. So much better in terms of reliability, functionality, and practicality.

your a total goof man, you ask me for my opinion on E46 M3 issues when you already know....i know my bmws too man......

[Zyzz]

its funny when non-e46 m3 drivers argue with e46 m3 owners on the subject of e46 m3's


u are 1 ****ing cheeky **** mate i swear i am goin 2 wreck u i swear on my mums life
and i no u are scared lil bitch gettin your mates to send me messages saying dont meet up coz u r sum big bastard with muscles lol ****in sad mate really sad jus shows what a scared lil gay boy u are and whats all this crap ur mates sendin me about sum car website that 1 of your faverite places to look at men u lil ****in gay boy fone me if u got da balls cheeky prick see if u can step up lil queer

stfu with the bb quotes... first illicstylz and now you

[bcrdukes]

your a total goof man, you ask me for my opinion on E46 M3 issues when you already know....i know my bmws too man......

My question directed to you in the previous page was specific to the E46 in particular. The issues I listed in the post above outlines the usual suspects of any BMW.

Anyway...

[skiiipi]

Daily driving a convertible in this city is not advisable unless you keep the vehicle in a garage and transit on a regular basis. In other words, I don't recommend a convertible whatsoever unless you have a hard top. At 37,000km, be prepared for an Inspection I and/or II aka $$$$$. You'll also have to be prepared to replace suspension parts such as bushings, control arms, tie rods, strut mounts and the whole shebang. Oh yeah, maybe even the cooling system - radiator end tanks, water pump w/metal impeller, thermostat etc. Mileage is not the issue here. Age is. BMWs are all about preventative maintenance.

The car will be 5, moving on to 6 years old. By this time, the top will slowly develop leaks and/or tears. You will eventually have to replace it or fix it, or WHY. And if you want to take this up the mountain...keep the Legacy. So much better in terms of reliability, functionality, and practicality.

Thanks for your detailed reply. I definately owe you a "thanks" once I get off mobile and onto a desk top.

To be honest, there is no "need" for me to trade in my legacy, the thing runs mint, and has less than 60K on the odometer. However, after driving the same car for 4 years, part of me just wants a "change".

I've always wanted to own a german car, but shyed away due to the high maintenance cost. However, now that I am a 5min walk from my work place, I'm in a position where maintenance cost plays less of a role in my decision making. But it is good to know that "age" is a bigger factor to consider than KMs.

As for convertiable, if I had my pick in a M3, I would definately pick coupe, but now as I'm getting a bit older, the idea of crusing in a convertiable in the summer does sound appealing. The car will definately be store in an indoor parkade.

I understand 100% that the legacy is probably more practical, and reliable and better especially in bad weather. However after driving the legacy for 4 years I can't help but notice that I feel "old", and this M3 might potentially help me feel young again. Haha

I will go take a look at the car in 2 weeks when I have some time, and give it a drive and see how I feel about it afterwards.

Thanks a lot for your input!
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[hk20000]

Do you know the "M" in "M3" means the same thing as "M" in "BDSM"? Unless you like having your car break down every 2 weeks or so and then get beat by the "your version of the same part is more expensive because it's an M part" don't buy a used M3 for the love of god.

Now you know. Now go buy a Japanese car, and be happy ever after.

[skiiipi]

Do you know the "M" in "M3" means the same thing as "M" in "BDSM"? Unless you like having your car break down every 2 weeks or so and then get beat by the "your version of the same part is more expensive because it's an M part" don't buy a used M3 for the love of god.

Now you know. Now go buy a Japanese car, and be happy ever after.

haha your scaring me.
your making it sound like the M3 is a natural lemon or something

i know the wear/tare parts are more expensive to replace in a BMW than a japanese car, but dont think that the parts break down more often.....or am i completely wrong about this?

[busdriverman]

another thing to consider is the fact that new drivers are more likely to ding their cars. this isnt even from obvious things like bumping into objects, but also the places you choose to park (ie. parking next to a coupe means you have a higher chance of receiving door dings and scratches as coupes have longer doors and are generally harder for the passenger of the vehicle to get into)

new drivers are also more likely to get into accidents, which is evidently shown in the higher premiums that they have to pay. as a new driver, you are more likely to get into vehicular accidents (although i do not wish this upon you, i am merely giving you the statistics). i think that there are definitely more suitable cars to learn on. perhaps it would be a better idea to get an m3 once you have accumulated a few years of driving experience.

of course, these are just my 2 cents

[PornMaster]

It doesn't matter what type of car you park beside, dings happen.

I have 2 dings on my driver side and they must be from 2 suvs because they are pretty high beside the door.
I know for a fact 1 of em was an suv because I saw an elderly women smash the door into my car trying to get out, she wasnt even FAT!

[Z3guy]

Do you know the "M" in "M3" means the same thing as "M" in "BDSM"? Unless you like having your car break down every 2 weeks or so and then get beat by the "your version of the same part is more expensive because it's an M part" don't buy a used M3 for the love of god.

Now you know. Now go buy a Japanese car, and be happy ever after.

Most guys I know that bitch about maintenance on m cars is due to

1) buys high km m car that has been bagged on for a good deal
2) does not follow BMW service recos

[spideyv2]

its funny when non-e46 m3 drivers argue with e46 m3 owners on the subject of e46 m3's




stfu with the bb quotes... first illicstylz and now you

brb, gonna bite someones name from BB then tell someone to stfu about copypasting from BB