REVscene - Vancouver Automotive Forum


Welcome to the REVscene Automotive Forum forums.

Registration is Free!You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   REVscene Automotive Forum > Automotive Chat > Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events

Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events The off-topic forum for Vancouver, funnies, non-auto centered discussions, WORK SAFE. While the rules are more relaxed here, there are still rules. Please refer to sticky thread in this forum.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-28-2011, 07:34 PM   #1
I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: BC
Posts: 3,558
Thanked 3,814 Times in 957 Posts
Failed 715 Times in 210 Posts
Mexico Fears Rise of Vigilante Justice

Mexico Fears Rise of Vigilante Justice - WSJ.com
Quote:


MEXICO CITY—A self-styled drug-trafficking group calling itself the "Zeta Killers" claimed responsibility this week for the recent murders of at least 35 people believed to belong to the Zetas, Mexico's most violent criminal organization.

The claim by the "Mata Zetas" has stoked fears that Mexico, like Colombia a generation before, may be witnessing the rise of paramilitary drug gangs that seek society's approval and tacit consent from the government to help society confront its ills, in this case, the Zetas.

On Wednesday, Mexico's national security spokeswoman Alejandra Sota vowed in a statement that the government would "hunt down" and bring to justice any criminal group that takes justice into its own hands.

The issue surfaced last week after 35 bodies were dumped just blocks away from a hotel in the port city of Veracruz where Mexico's state attorney generals were due to hold a meeting the following day. Two days later, after the convention kicked off, an additional 11 bodies were found in different parts of the city.

Enlarge Image

Associated Press
Soldiers secured 35 bodies in Veracruz last week, deaths for which the Zetas claimed responsibility.

The shocking scenes, suggesting mass murder in front of the country's top law-enforcement officials, were followed up days later by a video in which five hooded men took responsibility for the murders, saying the victims were all Zetas who had carried out crimes like extortion.

"Our only objective is the Zetas cartel," said a burly, hooded man who said he was a Mata Zetas spokesman, in the video. The man said that unlike the Zetas, his group didn't "extort or kidnap" citizens and were "anonymous warriors, without faces, but proudly Mexican" who would work "clandestinely" but "always to benefit Mexico's people."

The mysterious group appears to be part of the New Generation drug cartel, which operates in the northwestern state of Jalisco, according to an earlier video that showed some three dozen hooded men brandishing automatic rifles as a spokesman vowed to wipe out the Zetas in Veracruz. In that video, the spokesman lauded the work of the Mexican armed forces against the Zetas, and urged citizens to give information on their location to the military.

Drug Crime in Mexico

Track the increasing violence in an interactive map.

View Interactive

More photos and interactive graphics
The rise of any paramilitary gangs could propel Mexico into an even more violent stage of a drug war that has killed more than 43,000 people since President Felipe Calderón took power in December 2006.

In Colombia, government-backed peasant militias formed to defend against Communist guerrillas in decades past were eventually taken over by drug traffickers, who were responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people. "This is a version of para-militarism which is emerging," said Bruce Bagley, an expert on Latin America and drug trafficking at the University of Miami. "We are not sure who these guys are. They are outlaws, but if they kill Zetas, they could find a following among some of the Mexican political and military elite. It bodes very badly for the rule of law in Mexico."

Other analysts say the Mata Zetas appear to be just another drug gang battling it out with the Zetas over turf.

The new group "pretends to use vigilante tactics to finish off another criminal organization," wrote Eric Olson, an analyst at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars in Washington, on El Palenque, a Mexican website.

In the recent past, other cartels, most notably La Familia, based in the state of Michoacán, have tried to use the Zetas' reputation for brutality as a way of rallying popular support and gaining new adherents to fight them. La Familia recently suffered a major split after the group made peace with the Zetas.

Nevertheless, the rise of a group like the Mata Zetas raises troubling questions for ordinary Mexicans and the government: Is it a good thing when members of a bloodthirsty cartel known for murders, extortions, and kidnapping are themselves summarily killed by other criminals?

While Mexico's federal government has condemned the killing, the response by Veracruz Gov. Javier Duarte was widely seen as more equivocal.

"It's lamentable the assassination of 35 people, but it's more so that these people had chosen to dedicate themselves to extortion, kidnapping and murder," the governor wrote on his Twitter account a day after the event.

Among other atrocities, the Zetas are blamed for last month's casino fire that killed 52 people in the business capital of Monterrey in Nuevo León state, and the murder of 72 U.S.-bound migrants last year in Tamaulipas state.

The Zetas evolved from a small group of elite soldiers who defected in the late 1990s to work as enforcers for the Gulf Cartel into a vicious multinational crime organization.

Since they broke with the Gulf Cartel in 2010, the Zetas have been fighting a bloody turf war across Mexico against other groups, in which thousands have perished.

Jorge Chabat, a security analyst at the CIDE think tank in Mexico says that the emergence of illegal groups such as the Mata Zetas—perhaps with some help from local or national government authorities—wouldn't be a surprise, given the level of violence inflicted by the Zetas on the Mexican population and the Mexican state's inability to provide its citizens with protection.

Officials "would never tell you openly, but I wouldn't be surprised if some sectors of government look the other way, and I fear that parts of the civilian population would also see this with approval," he said.
Advertisement
flagella is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2011, 09:19 PM   #2
I have named my kids VIC and VLS
 
Hondaracer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 39,193
Thanked 15,936 Times in 6,481 Posts
Failed 2,158 Times in 740 Posts
Soon nobodies gonna be taking holidays in mexico, shit is getting out of control there
__________________
Dank memes cant melt steel beams
Hondaracer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2011, 09:44 PM   #3
Even when im right, revscene.net is still right!
 
Mr.C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Richmond
Posts: 1,355
Thanked 1,776 Times in 444 Posts
Failed 195 Times in 67 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondaracer View Post
Soon nobodies gonna be taking holidays in mexico, shit is getting out of control there
"Is getting"? Dude, shit is all fucked up there. You couldn't give me a free vacation in Mexico. I've seen drug wars up close, and this is way, way worse.
Mr.C is offline   Reply With Quote
This post thanked by:
Old 09-28-2011, 09:47 PM   #4
In RS I Trust
 
murd0c's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Mission
Posts: 20,777
Thanked 17,661 Times in 4,345 Posts
Failed 1,037 Times in 352 Posts
One of my good buddies is working in Mexico City right now. Has been there for almost two years as well
murd0c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2011, 10:14 PM   #5
My dinner reheated before my turbo spooled
 
Ludepower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,738
Thanked 939 Times in 308 Posts
Failed 206 Times in 75 Posts
War on drugs...is an epic fail.

Instead of letting these cartels police themselves...you have the Mexican military backed by American funding fighting a drug war that cant be won. Knock out a cartel...another one take it's place.

When you have kilo of coke goin for 40g here and 190k in australia. Kill the supply and prices will keep going up. It's a lose-lose war.

Add salt to the wound. These automatic rifles are sold and sneaked in from america. Fuking pathetic.
Ludepower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2011, 10:34 PM   #6
Need to Seek Professional Help
 
2damaxmr2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Alpha Centauri
Posts: 1,017
Thanked 103 Times in 62 Posts
Failed 121 Times in 45 Posts
^ NOPE.
__________________
RS firearm expert
2damaxmr2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2011, 11:21 PM   #7
I answer every Emotion with an emoticon
 
Nightwalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 7,655
Thanked 443 Times in 188 Posts
Failed 83 Times in 34 Posts
The cartels are far more powerful than the authorities there. Thank you war on drugs.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by MajinHurricane View Post
who would ban me? lol. Look at my post count.
Nightwalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2011, 11:38 PM   #8
My bookmarks are Reddit and REVscene, in that order
 
Culverin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 4,442
Thanked 13,465 Times in 1,814 Posts
Failed 1,625 Times in 307 Posts
As long as they kill each other off and leave the innocents out, then it's not so bad for the average citizen.

But just think about a drug supply operation.
How much money they can bring in. And the relative wage in mexico.
Millions brought in, pay locals decent sum as spies and you've got yourself something that can out do any police force.

They have just so much more operating budget, professional soldiering skill and such and it seem like an unlimited supply of heavy weapons.
__________________
***Sarlo's Awesome Eatery ***
Facebook // Instagram
Culverin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2011, 11:52 PM   #9
To me, there is the Internet and there is RS
 
Manic!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Nanaimo
Posts: 17,078
Thanked 8,129 Times in 3,814 Posts
Failed 1,514 Times in 651 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Culverin View Post
As long as they kill each other off and leave the innocents out, then it's not so bad for the average citizen.
But thats not happening in Mexico a lot of innocent people are being killed.
__________________
Until the lions have their own historians, the history of the hunt will always glorify the hunter.
Manic! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 10:04 AM   #10
Female Driven
 
FI-Z33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
Posts: 1,163
Thanked 489 Times in 166 Posts
Failed 99 Times in 29 Posts
shit bro and his gf goin there this christmas for vacay....
__________________
05 Mazda 3 Sport
03 Nissan 350z


----------------------------------
Before sex, you help each other get naked. After sex, you only dress yourself.
Moral of story: In life, no one helps you once you're fucked.
FI-Z33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 10:30 AM   #11
I Will not Admit my Addiction to RS
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: vancouver
Posts: 584
Thanked 171 Times in 59 Posts
Failed 135 Times in 50 Posts
these drug wars usually dont happen near vacation areas though..
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by penner2k View Post

tilt your head back and using your hand pretend to shake a salt shaker in your mouth... you will notice that it will actually taste like salt in your mouth..
elwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:26 PM   #12
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: richmond
Posts: 2,837
Thanked 1,490 Times in 570 Posts
Failed 172 Times in 64 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by murd0c View Post
One of my good buddies is working in Mexico City right now. Has been there for almost two years as well
His wife is on a flight there right now to visit him. Its crazy there for sure.
__________________
Rise Auto Salon

11938 95a Ave Delta
I can be reached VIA text @ 778-232-1465

Oil change special $70 5 liters synthetic oil including OEM filter Fender rolling from $45 per fender
Car Audio:
Focal, Morel, Genesis, Clarion, Scosche, Escort, Compustar, GReddy, Blitz, Tomei, Motul, Endless, Defi, Cusco, Nismo + More


We specialize in:
Custom Car Audio
Race/4x4 Fabrication
Forced Induction
Engine Swaps
General Maintenance
Phil@rise is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 01:32 PM   #13
reads most threads with his pants around his ankles, especially in the Forced Induction forum.
 
Mr.HappySilp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 10,645
Thanked 2,191 Times in 1,131 Posts
Failed 929 Times in 340 Posts
The vancouver police should send the gang wannaba there to show htem what real gang does.Put them in a drug war and leave themt here lol.
Mr.HappySilp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-29-2011, 04:45 PM   #14
I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
 
wasabisashimi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: surrey
Posts: 2,526
Thanked 149 Times in 90 Posts
Failed 132 Times in 38 Posts
Mexicans need ===> Machete
__________________
my feedback
Click here to visit my feedback
wasabisashimi is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Revscene.net cannot be held accountable for the actions of its members nor does the opinions of the members represent that of Revscene.net