[twitchyzero]

cole notes:

- currently, over 165,000 sponsorship applications that may take over 7 years to process
- no more new applications will be accepted in the next 2 years as of last week
- "super visa" will be handed out...lasts 10 years...can stay in Canada in 2-year periods and only takes 2-3 months to process.

News Release – Government of Canada to cut backlog and wait times for family reunification – Phase I of Action Plan for Faster Family Reunification (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2011/2011-11-04.asp?utm_source=flipper1&utm_medium=featflip&utm_content=pgp-e&utm_campaign=generic)

[iEatClams]

As many people move here, they also wish to move their families as well. Some of these people wont have a net positive on the country as they will not be contributing to our GDP or paying income taxes, yet still use our resources like healthcare and education.

[Anjew]

how are they going to use healthcare and education if they arent from here?

[doma]

FUCK THIS

[twitchyzero]

with the super visa you cannot get MSP coverage...well it says you can be eligible for private health insurance so i am assuming no government coverage.

[Graeme S]

how are they going to use healthcare and education if they arent from here?
People who have student visas, PR cards or gain citizenship through family visas are eligible for government benefits, ie: medicare.

So a single individual between the ages of 30-40 comes here, and his or her parents apply for a family visa (let's assume they're 50-60) would then gain the benefits of Canada's medical system at an age where they will place a great burden on it, yet not pay the costs in their younger healthier years to support it for others.


That having been said, I'm not a heartless scumbag who thinks families shouldn't be reunited. I'm just saying the government puts itself in a position to say that the system is inefficient but then never solves the actual inefficiencies. Ie: "We need more people, let's increase immigration!" and then "We spend too much on staff salaries, let's cut half of our immigration workforce!"

I work with a guy who is a trained and certified (yes, here) Occupational Therapist who has been waiting for PR for 7 years. He hasn't been able to get a job in his field because nobody would sponsor him with continued working visas while he awaits his PR processing. As a result he works as a manager at an English school--something completely and totally unrelated to what he was supposed to do, what he was trained to do, and what the Canadian Government would ideally want him to do.

TL;DR: Bureaucracy is shit.

[TheKingdom2000]

I know most things are easier said then done, but I really do not understand our govt sometimes..
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[melloman]

wtf :seriously:

Sometimes I feel as if only a person with FULL Canadian citizenship should have the right to healthcare. It would really eliminate all the moochers that come here for it, because they would have to stay here long enough to then apply for citizenship, and go through all the processes to get it.

IMHO this is fucking stupid bullshit.

[taylor192]

how are they going to use healthcare and education if they arent from here?
Do you understand the concept of a visa vs immigration?

[taylor192]

cole notes:

- currently, over 165,000 sponsorship applications that may take over 7 years to process
- no more new applications will be accepted in the next 2 years as of last week
- "super visa" will be handed out...lasts 10 years...can stay in Canada in 2-year periods and only takes 2-3 months to process.

News Release – Government of Canada to cut backlog and wait times for family reunification – Phase I of Action Plan for Faster Family Reunification (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2011/2011-11-04.asp?utm_source=flipper1&utm_medium=featflip&utm_content=pgp-e&utm_campaign=generic)
I completely support this. Families can be reunited without having to hand out citizenship.

[fsy82]

We sponsored my wifes mum and we don't want it to take 7yrs. Can we apply for the Super Visa while her Immigration paperwork sits with the government?

[fsy82]

Nevermind got my answer

What happens if a parent or grandparent (PGP) with a sponsorship application already submitted decides that they would prefer to visit Canada for up to 2 years instead of immigrating? Can they cancel their FC4 application and apply for a Super Visa instead? Will they be refunded the fees paid?

What happens if a parent or grandparent (PGP) with a sponsorship application already submitted decides that they would prefer to visit Canada for up to 2 years instead of immigrating? Can they cancel their FC4 application and apply for a Super Visa instead? Will they be refunded the fees paid?

PGP sponsorship applications can be withdrawn at any time. Whether a full or partial refund will be given is determined by the stage at which the application is at in the queue. If processing has started, only a portion of your payment may be refunded. If, however, processing has not started on your application, a full refund will be given. Please allow up to 16 weeks for the delivery of your refund.

[twitchyzero]

so you can't have visa while you wait for immigration process?

it looks like it's only one or the other

and why do all immigrants get the negative stigma of illegal refugees that's out to leech the Canadian system? If you look around there are many immigrants that have been here for many many years and integrated into the Canadian society and yes, paying taxes *gasp*

If they want to be closer to their aging parents and not give up everything they've established in Canada and there's now a faster way to do this...then I am all for it.

Makes me wonder how many have applied couple years ago and their family has already passed away before their papers were finally accepted.

[taylor192]

and why do all immigrants get the negative stigma of illegal refugees that's out to leech the Canadian system? If you look around there are many immigrants that have been here for many many years and integrated into the Canadian society and yes, paying taxes *gasp*
Cause statistically each new immigrant costs us money to support, they are only paying 80% of their costs, so Canadians are subsidizing the other 20%.

There's loads of articles on this, and why its happening, I recommend you read some.

It sucks that we paint all immigrants with this brush, yet stereotypes are rooted in truth, and statistics prove immigrants as a whole are not offering a benefit to Canada and are infact costing us money.

[jackmeister]

I think they should allow sponsorship immigration, at a price determined by age.

It's time we cut this age/race/etc discrimination bullshit and fix the fucking problem, we're screwing all the legit immigrants.

[m4k4v4li]

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[m4k4v4li]

There's loads of articles on this, and why its happening, I recommend you read some.

It sucks that we paint all immigrants with this brush, yet stereotypes are rooted in truth, and statistics prove immigrants as a whole are not offering a benefit to Canada and are infact costing us money.

if you know anything about stats you would know stats infer. they don't prove anything

id like to see these statistics you speak of that has data measuring "immigrants as a whole" and how it measures "not offering a benefit to canada"

ignoring second generation immigrants, foreign born immigrants ALONE account for aprox 20% of the population. thats fucking 1 in 5 people

so where are these stats that infer 1in5 people in canada don't offer a single benefit?

i think you're confusing family visas with immigration. on that note, its family sponsored and based on income and the criteria is in fact quite strict and specific.

and stereotypes are not rooted in truth. stereotypes are how our brain organizes complex forms of information into simplified, easier to access information that is subjective to our OWN experiences and perceptions of the world, hardly the truth. There are no absolute truths in this world

[Mr.JDM]

just wish they would provide english test or something before approving the visa.. getting sick of all these "no english" attitude around here

[Mananetwork]

wtf :seriously:

Sometimes I feel as if only a person with FULL Canadian citizenship should have the right to healthcare. It would really eliminate all the moochers that come here for it, because they would have to stay here long enough to then apply for citizenship, and go through all the processes to get it.

IMHO this is fucking stupid bullshit.

And ex's family friend did that. He's never lived a day in his life in Canada but came over at the age of 60 just for the healthcare!

[taylor192]

if you know anything about stats you would know stats infer. they don't prove anything
The only people that say that are those who haven't done any research...

id like to see these statistics you speak of that has data measuring "immigrants as a whole" and how it measures "not offering a benefit to canada"
Confirmed, you haven't done any research.

ignoring second generation immigrants, foreign born immigrants ALONE account for aprox 20% of the population. thats fucking 1 in 5 people

so where are these stats that infer 1in5 people in canada don't offer a single benefit?
Easily found if you actually search, yet you didn't, thus confirming your opinion doesn't count.

i think you're confusing family visas with immigration. on that note, its family sponsored and based on income and the criteria is in fact quite strict and specific.
I know, not think, you don't know what you're talking about. This thread is about removing family unification immigration and replacing it with family visas.

and stereotypes are not rooted in truth. stereotypes are how our brain organizes complex forms of information into simplified, easier to access information that is subjective to our OWN experiences and perceptions of the world, hardly the truth.
and where does our brain get this information? usually from fact or experience... which just happens to be "rooted in truth".

Its like saying the stereotype of "asians cannot drive" isn't true, when there's 1000s of posts on this site along about how awful drivers in Richmond are. Yes not all asians cannot drive, yet there seems to be enough truth in Richmond that the stereotype fits.

Yet I don't know why I explain this, cause you're not smart enough to understand complex concepts, so go back to your nonsensical rant.

i rarely post anymore but you're post just had so much fail in it i couldn't help myself.
Please go back to not posting anymore if this is the crap you post.

[Gridlock]

Ahh, a typical post by Taylor.

Someone disagrees, he dissects your post sentence by sentence and ends it with a quip about not coming back to RS until you agree with him.

Always so refreshing. I do appreciate the effort..those quote tags must take awhile.

[twitchyzero]

at least he's contributing to the topic
if you dont agree with the family sponsorship or this new super visa...i would like to hear why or why not

[taylor192]

Ahh, a typical post by Taylor.
and a typical Gridlock post that doesn't add anything to the conversation. Why do you bother? I bother cause I hate misinformation, you seem to just have a problem with me, which is sad.

Someone disagrees, he dissects your post sentence by sentence and ends it with a quip about not coming back to RS until you agree with him.
Perhaps you missed this word in my post, I cannot imagine why, I repeated it several times yet I'll reiterate it for you again: research

I respect those who do their research, even if my opinion is different than theirs. I have no respect for people who do not do their research and just rant nonsensically, which I thought you'd be well aware of by now considering how many times I pick your opinion apart.

Always so refreshing. I do appreciate the effort..those quote tags must take awhile.
Since when did cut/paste become so hard? Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V the quote tags, its not hard, try it one day.

at least he's contributing to the topic
Thanks.

[Geoc]

I'm glad that the government had put sustainability as top priority instead of always trying to be the nice guy and let everyone in.

There is no way our healthcare system can support the influx of elderly coming to Canada. Baby boomers are aging and I highly doubt this country can support our current boomers as they grow old, let alone foreign immigrants.

I don't know about you guys, but if I am going to establish a career here I don't think I would want the country I work and live in to have a debt 200-percent of our GDP and even higher taxes.

To those who are saying that this would cut down the amount of legit immigrants: The whole issue with super visas is for family reunification and sponsorships. Those who are skilled immigrants or investors (in your words, legit) can still come in through the conventional ways.

[Nightwalker]

This seems like a good move to me.

[Gridlock]

and a typical Gridlock post that doesn't add anything to the conversation.

Actually, I think the vast majority of my posts add to the general tone of the conversation, providing what I have come to believe is a certain wit and charm that demonstrates both a comprehension of the subject at hand, and a willingness to participate.

Why do you bother?

If you'll allow me, I put most of my posts through a litmus test of, is this really some

Oh fuck this...its late, and I was going to dissect your post sentence by sentence and for what, it wasn't even that funny.

Just ease up on people sometimes-you come across like a douche. We post in the same threads a lot, and a lot of the time I get your point, and agree, but sometimes you just need to not sweat the small stuff. Occasionally you type things that come across like you feel better than everyone else.

Cool now?