[Ronin]

Anyone else seeing this on the news?

Apparently tons of people are up in arms that the coach of the college football team got fired because he knew that one of the assistant coach was having sex with little boys and covered it up.

And in one night, the Canucks riot and OccupyVancouver seem so much less ridiculous in contrast.

[Splmash]

Joe Paterno has been an icon in football for many decades. He's in his 80's now and should retire. This case will forever leave a hindrance on his legacy but he was wrong and neglected to fix anything.

I don't see him coaching this weekend.

[AWDTurboLuvr]

He can't coach this weekend...board of directors have already fired him. I'm pretty sure Joe wouldn't want the kids to be doing this right now.

[XplicitLuder]

read it on msn.ca... that's messed y0

[dangonay]

Paterno has come under harsh criticism -- including from within the community known as Happy Valley -- for not taking more action in 2002 after then-graduate assistant and current assistant coach Mike McQueary came to him and reported seeing Sandusky in the Penn State showers with a young boy. Paterno notified the athletic director, Tim Curley, and a vice-president, Gary Schultz.

Paterno is not a target of the criminal investigation, although Curley and Schultz have been charged with failing to report the incident to the authorities.

So he reports it to two other individuals, and then gets blamed for not doing "more"?

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[MDMA]

from Penn State to the State Penn :troll:

[StylinRed]

So he reports it to two other individuals, and then gets blamed for not doing "more"?

yeah its quite retarded sounds like they're just using him as a scape goat since he's so old anyway easy target

[Jassanova]

So he reports it to two other individuals, and then gets blamed for not doing "more"?

I don't think the story is quite that simple. Paterno reports it, he and other officials meet, they decide to take away Sandusky's keys to the gym. Paterno (and others who have also been fired, vilified, and will be investigated) then sees that no one has informed the authorities, and decides its not his problem to inform the authorities (for 9 years) and during those 9 years, Paterno continues to support the Second Mile, Sandusky's charity for underprivileged youth, the same charity which was used by Sandusky to select children to continue to molest and anally rape. During this time he also allows Sandusky to bring children to Penn State practices knowing Sandusky's history.

If you knew one of your co-workers was anally raping children, you told your boss, and you found out that your boss essentially gave a slap on the wrist to your co-worker who went on raping children, would you feel like you did enough? Would you feel like you had no obligation to call the police?

[Hondaracer]

^ and that just touches on it..

There is so much more to this story than just "not reporting" it, besides the fact that fucking a 10 year old in the ass probably should have been reported to the police rather than the athletic director

I do however feel that paterno has become the number one subject in this case when it should really be the offensive coordinator that was doing the molesting

Either way, coaching at a school for 42 years, an institution you've been a part of for 60, and you were the one shining light for the
NCAA when it came to its scandals etc now your entire lifes work is tarnished horribly lol..sucks to be joe
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[StylinRed]

The police were informed and an investigation held where Sandusky admitted to the acts in a sting operation by the police

the DA however chose not to lay charges; unfortunately that DA has been missing for over 7 years and declared dead already, so he can't be


Mike McQueary(sp) should be fired too then since all he did was tell Paterno (if Paterno was fired for doing nothing more than he did)


side not: i didnt know these were actually children from a charity that were raped?; I thought the news was calling college students "children" and i was like wtf?

[Z3guy]

So he reports it to two other individuals, and then gets blamed for not doing "more"?

c'mon man, if someone told me that xx person was having sex with a student and I just went to my boss that would be good enough? anyone with an avg moral compass would have went to the cops after he determined that his bosses were going to do nothing about it.

Joe P was suppose to look after the best interest of his student athletes. He cared more about winning and dollars for the school than the well being of athletes.

Winning the most championships in College football means nothing knowing that your assistant coach was messing up the lives of many student athletes for over 8yrs!!!!!

[Hondaracer]

They weren't student athletes, they were 10 year olds from a charity the school hosted..Also the 8 year thing is only how long patutno 100% knew about it, it was obviously going on for alot longer than that, and now it's being reported that there were over 40 victims

As for that part about informing the DA etc this is the first I've heard of any of that and I've been listening to American sports radio and reading articles online

I also find it hard to believe the DA was ever informed yet all these allegations just come to a head two days ago..

This story in the states is like what it would be in Canada if don cherry and Ron Maclean raped a kid with Kelly rhuedy filming, paturno IS football.

Also penn state had to fire paturno because this weekends game would have been a 60,000 person pep rally chanting his name

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[Z3guy]

^ thanks for the clarification, that makes it even worse!!!!!

I don't understand how the students can support Joe......makes very little sense.....

[Gumby]

Yikes, reading about this incident is pretty disgusting...

[StylinRed]

As for that part about informing the DA etc this is the first I've heard of any of that and I've been listening to American sports radio and reading articles online

I also find it hard to believe the DA was ever informed yet all these allegations just come to a head two days ago..



It was on CNN and here is an ABC article about it

Former Penn State Coach Prosecutor Center of Penn Missing Man Mystery - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrwXNrLfuUk)

the mother of one of the victims went to police and there was a supposed sting operation where Sandusky went to the victims home to apologize to the parents where he supposedly admitted to his actions but the state prosecutor didn't pursue charges

The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years.

Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year.

Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.


click link for the rest of the article

[dangonay]

The more that comes out the stranger this is becoming.

McQueary witnesses a sexual assault. He reports to Paterno who then reports to Curley and Schultz.

Curley and Schultz are being criminally charged. McQueary and Paterno aren't. McQueary didn't even get fired despite being the person who saw the initial sexual assault, and he's still coaching this Saturday. Why didn't he go straight to the police since he's the only witness to the assault? Surely his testimony would matter to the police far more than the heresay of people who were told about it afterwards.

Only thing I can think of is that Curley and Schultz were the ones who orchestrated the cover-up, which is why they're being charged. If Paterno knew this was on-going he should be charged as well (as should McQueary). The police not charging these individuals is making it appear they didn't have as much to do with it, and is sending a wrong message. Even I took it to suggest they weren't really involved or aware because of the lack of charges.

[Ronin]

That other dude should be fired too.

I don't think they should be charged since they haven't technically broke the law...they just did something douchey. I mean, it's not like he did the raping but at the same time, he should have told the police when he realized the cover up was on if he wasn't the one doing the covering.

So no crimes are being committed but at the same time, there's no way that Paterno or McQueary should working. I assume McQueary is just there to finish up the season and then he's fired too.

[dangonay]

It was on CNN and here is an ABC article about it

Former Penn State Coach Prosecutor Center of Penn Missing Man Mystery - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrwXNrLfuUk)
So Sandusky was already under investigation in 1998, four years before the assault that McQueary witnessed?

It appears from other reports that his charity The Second Mile knew about the 1998 investigation and the 2002 one as well, yet Sandusky wasn't banned from being involved with children's programs until 2008. How many people over the years from his charity to Penn State knew about these things and nobody did anything? Seems there should be a lot more people on the chopping block.

[Hondaracer]

They could be charged with a few things for covering it up, aiding and abedding, being an accessory in a rape, etc
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[parm104]

The problem with everyone who is defending and protesting Paterno's firing is that they are focusing on legal responsibility. People keep arguing that since he informed his superior's, that he dd his job. But let's forget about legality for a second and focus on MORAL responsibility?

If you were in Paterno's position, and you had already informed your superiors and it was swept under the rug, would you not feel compelled to take the next step and alert the authorities? If not, why would you keep quiet? To protect yourself? Your name, and the reputation of your program?

[SumAznGuy]

The problem with everyone who is defending and protesting Paterno's firing is that they are focusing on legal responsibility. People keep arguing that since he informed his superior's, that he dd his job. But let's forget about legality for a second and focus on MORAL responsibility?

If you were in Paterno's position, and you had already informed your superiors and it was swept under the rug, would you not feel compelled to take the next step and alert the authorities? If not, why would you keep quiet? To protect yourself? Your name, and the reputation of your program?

Or protect his job? If word came out that he was the whistle blower, I'm sure he'd be out of a job and black listed from other jobs too?

This isn't normal society. They are run by the old boy's club.

[Z3guy]

^ I agree with you, Joe cared more about winning and his legacy than the boys getting raped. The fact he tells his supporters that their prayers should be with the victims is a freaking joke. He had over 8yrs to make this right and did not nothing.

[Hondaracer]

He was there for 35 years prior to the point where he would have been called a "whistle blower" I'm pretty sure his job was safe

IMO it was more of a loyalty thing probably
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[Z3guy]

To those RS members who are fathers, I could not look myself in the mirror if I knew something this bad was happening to any young boy and did not do anything to stop it.

[Jsunu]

Or protect his job? If word came out that he was the whistle blower, I'm sure he'd be out of a job and black listed from other jobs too?

This isn't normal society. They are run by the old boy's club.

Irregadless, he chose this career over the well being of the 40 some odd victims who are now, in addition to being poor, are now having to deal with being sexually assulted at such a young age. Fuck those people who say he did his job by informing his superiors and is therefore should be cleared of this scandal. By simply doing nothing, he helped a man molest countless others as a result.

[dangonay]

To those RS members who are fathers, I could not look myself in the mirror if I knew something this bad was happening to any young boy and did not do anything to stop it.
Exactly. Which is why I'm wondering why McQueary didn't go straight to the cops, after first climbing into the shower to knock Sandusky out. Out of everyone involved, his responsibility was the greatest since he witnessed it firsthand.

Yet he still has his job and will be coaching this weekend.

[Gh0stRider]

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[StylinRed]

Irregadless

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The problem with everyone who is defending and protesting Paterno's firing is that they are focusing on legal responsibility. People keep arguing that since he informed his superior's, that he dd his job. But let's forget about legality for a second and focus on MORAL responsibility?

If you were in Paterno's position, and you had already informed your superiors and it was swept under the rug, would you not feel compelled to take the next step and alert the authorities? If not, why would you keep quiet? To protect yourself? Your name, and the reputation of your program?

Paterno didn't witness anything McQueary witnessed something and then ignored it but decided on telling Paterno

- what did he actually tell Paterno? "i saw Sandusky raping a little kid!" or "I saw Sandusky doing something funny with one of the kids im not too comfortable with it"

How would you react to some hearsay? Okay seems serious.. maybe.. best I report it to the higher ups (obviously it must not be that serious or Mcqueary woulda called the cops) and let them sort it out

So the higher ups didn't do anything after their investigation... I guess its not as bad as i IMAGINED (since i didn't see anything).. back to work (hell maybe McQueary was lying)



I don't really think you can blame Paterno all that much at all but you can definitely lynch McQueary since he saw it happening and didn't even put a stop to it simply went and told someone else about it like it was gossip

[Sky_2000]

"As the graduate assistant entered the locker doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard, rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put his sneakers into his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be 10 years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught."

Read more: Penn State needs to fire Mike McQueary, Tim Curely amid scandal - Andy Staples - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/10/penn-state-mike-mcqueary/index.html#ixzz1dNPL2oRZ)

Penn State needs to fire Mike McQueary, Tim Curely amid scandal - Andy Staples - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/11/10/penn-state-mike-mcqueary/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2)

Here is the Grand Jury Report
Grand Jury Report on Jerry Sandusky - Document - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/20111106-pennstate-document.html)

[StylinRed]

^ Ah i heard McQuearys testimony to the courts was rather graphic but damn... he should have gone in there and beat Sandusky to death

[Noir]

^ Ah i heard McQuearys testimony to the courts was rather graphic but damn... he should have gone in there and beat Sandusky to death

Some people deal with trauma differently.

As in this case, what he witnessed could be fore some, be mentally or emotionally shocking that it may have taken a while to mentally process (which he later reported).

Not saying that's what happened, but IS maybe an explanation why he didn't react on the spot.

[dinosaur]

Ex-Penn State coach Joe Paterno dead at 85 - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57363500/ex-penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-dead-at-85/)

[Hondaracer]

Joppa touched alot of people..and a few boys perhaps
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[StylinRed]

bumping this up




Sandusky found guilty on 45/48 counts


BBC News - US coach Jerry Sandusky guilty of Penn State sex abuse (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18561442)


US coach Jerry Sandusky guilty of Penn State sex abuse


Former US college football coach Jerry Sandusky has been found guilty of 45 out of 48 counts of child sex abuse.

Sandusky, 68, denied 48 counts of abusing 10 boys over 15 years. He is expected to appeal but could spend the rest of his life in prison.

The jury reached its verdict at the end of its second day of deliberations.

His arrest in November caused a scandal at Penn State University, Pennsylvania, that saw the president and legendary football coach Joe Paterno both fired.

The jury found the former coach not guilty of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse with Victim 2 and indecent assault of Victims 5 and 6.

After the verdict, Sandusky's bail was revoked and he was taken into custody in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania.

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