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Video: Violated: Man Gets Popped On The L Train In NY! (3 On 1)



L Train Rider Speaks Out About Subway Beating Caught On Video


Yesterday, we watched in horror as three men viciously beat up a man who scolded them for spitting on the L train. The Post was able to locate the victim, 25-year-old Daniel Endara, who spoke out about the incident, and why he stood up to the men on the same evening as his own birthday celebration: “They were making noise and acting like they were mad about something. One of them spat on the floor and hit a woman in her late 40s. It seemed like he had no respect and no one else was going to do anything. So I told him to leave her alone and have some respect for people on the train.”

A student and security guard, Endara was riding the L train home from his birthday celebration on Nov. 8 when the fighting broke out near the Myrtle-Wyckoff Avenues Station. “I was very angry at these guys, but I understand they come from a tough environment,” he said. “Jail won’t help them. They need to learn how to give back to the community instead of always taking.”

As Endara took blows from all three men, one of whom took his shirt off, other straphangers laughed, or took cameras out to film the incident. One of those videos (as you can watch above) ended up on World Star HipHop, the internet's number one stop for voyeurs to see fight videos. Endara had harsh words for those rubberneckers, whom he said need "to learn how to act:" “I feel we’re in a generation that laughs at people getting beat up. That isn’t entertainment. They should have at least called the cops.”

[AAnthony]

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[Ax2-Y]

having taken the NYC subway recently, i can attest to the number of hoodrats and degenerates looking for a fight on the subway. this guy simply said what everyone is thinking and instead of receiving any type of support, he got laughed at and alienated by those he was sticking up for. do you think those guys would have fought, or even got in his face if everyone on the subway supported him? No. #occupytheLtrain

[Great68]

Shaniqua behind the camera needed to be popped in the face. Seriously, how the fuck could someone giggle about someone else being pounded on?

[StylinRed]

its NY im surprised they didnt pull a gun/knife


what's with black chicks laughing their asses off behind a camera when there's a fight going on

[Vansterdam]

seen a similar event happen on the bus years back , same situation spitting and shit

except it ended with brass knuckles

[AAnthony]

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[Mr.HappySilp]

AC TRANSIT BUS FIGHT I AM A MOTHERFUCKER - YouTube

[AAnthony]

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[sindragon]

Sorry for my ignorant post but the laughing of someone getting beat up for their dignity only happens in the states. Straight up goons and tools. If it happened here, people would of back him up.

[Raid3n]

because hoodrat

[Vansterdam]

remember this from awhile back lol

editedATL Hoodrat aka SOULJA GIRL goes crazy on the Marta - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TiJxEjIXRw

Soulja Girl - Im Pressin Charges Pt. 2 [Crazy Marta Chick Re - YouTube

*ORIGINAL* CRANK DAT SOULJA GIRL REMIX ON MARTA TRAIN - YouTube

[MindBomber]

Sorry for my ignorant post but the laughing of someone getting beat up for their dignity only happens in the states. Straight up goons and tools. If it happened here, people would of back him up.

If I saw three people attack one person, I would step in to try and break it up.
If everyone on that train had the confidence of the security guard, and they all stepped to back up the poor guy, the hood rats would have sat down and been respectful for the rest of the ride. They're man enough to fight 3-1, lets see what they'd do if those odds were reversed.

[quasi]

I hate the bitch laughing well he's getting attacked more then the 3 hitting him.

[bloodmack]

Damn that guys got balls, when people are in groups they ALWAYS think more highly of themselves and will act accordingly. If those niggers were alone (i say niggers cause they totally acted like one) they wouldn't of done shit all.

[iEatClams]

If I saw three people attack one person, I would step in to try and break it up.
If everyone on that train had the confidence of the security guard, and they all stepped to back up the poor guy, the hood rats would have sat down and been respectful for the rest of the ride. They're man enough to fight 3-1, lets see what they'd do if those odds were reversed.

I know it wont help much, but they should show these type of videos to kids in high-school and elementary school and teach them that shiet like this should not be tolerated, and explained to them why it's not appropriate.

A lot of these kids come from poor parenting, or no parenting situations.

[dinosaur]

what fucking cunts all giggling and shit...that pissed me off more than watching the dude get shit-kicks.

[Mr.C]

He's lucky he didn't get killed.

[Jer3]

guy kind of brought it on himself when he decided to push the guys face away.

[XplicitLuder]

the negro spat on him..and was all up in his business :pokerface: can't blame the poor guy

[vafanculo]

That guy asked for it to be honest.

The shirtless guy didnt attack until the guy pushed his face away from his. If he didnt do that, I think he would have just gotten a verbal abusing rather than stomped.

[ilvtofu]

That guy asked for it to be honest.

The shirtless guy didnt attack until the guy pushed his face away from his. If he didnt do that, I think he would have just gotten a verbal abusing rather than stomped.

+1 expected nothing less from the shirtless guy to snap after that face shove, he understandably wouldn't let that happen (especially in front of his buddies)

There's no doubt that these guys were being disrespectful but is it worth your life to stand up to them? security guard was a fucking idiot

And obviously everyone who sees these kind of news stories are disgusted like "how could they let this happen?!?!" "OMGAH!111" but honestly if you were just riding the bus or skytrain by yourself and a fight broke out between a scrawny kid and 3 black guys that are way bigger than you (who may or may not be carrying weapons) would you really step in? I wouldn't laugh at the poor guy but I sure as hell would not risk my life defending this idiot. It's not about growing a pair, it's about using your head. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending the attackers or the idiots who are just enjoying watching it. But fail me if you will, but I'm not one to risk my life for some random stranger in a fight that I clearly would not be able to break up by myself

[Alphamale]

+1 expected nothing less from the shirtless guy to snap after that face shove, he understandably wouldn't let that happen (especially in front of his buddies)

There's no doubt that these guys were being disrespectful but is it worth your life to stand up to them? security guard was a fucking idiot

And obviously everyone who sees these kind of news stories are disgusted like "how could they let this happen?!?!" "OMGAH!111" but honestly if you were just riding the bus or skytrain by yourself and a fight broke out between a scrawny kid and 3 black guys that are way bigger than you (who may or may not be carrying weapons) would you really step in? I wouldn't laugh at the poor guy but I sure as hell would not risk my life defending this idiot. It's not about growing a pair, it's about using your head. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending the attackers or the idiots who are just enjoying watching it. But fail me if you will, but I'm not one to risk my life for some random stranger in a fight that I clearly would not be able to break up by myself

pussy.

[PiuYi]

That guy asked for it to be honest.

The shirtless guy didnt attack until the guy pushed his face away from his. If he didnt do that, I think he would have just gotten a verbal abusing rather than stomped.

you would've stood there and gotten "a verbal warning"? i think anybody with half a testicle would've pushed him away if he was up in their face like that and spitting on them (including you)

i'd say he was just standing up for himself, and standing up for whats right. this world needs more people like him






and dumb cunts in the bg need to shut the fuck up

[jpark]

shouldnt have pushed his face lol
oh and yes them black girls recording pisses me off

[rexsomnii]

Notice the shirtless guy didn't start the first punch.

[ilvtofu]

Notice the shirtless guy didn't start the first punch.

He probably would've if the security guard didn't get to it first though, they were clearly looking for trouble

[vafanculo]

you would've stood there and gotten "a verbal warning"? i think anybody with half a testicle would've pushed him away if he was up in their face like that and spitting on them (including you)

i'd say he was just standing up for himself, and standing up for whats right. this world needs more people like him






and dumb cunts in the bg need to shut the fuck up

I don't know what I would have done, but hindsight is always 20/20. I'd prefer a verbal warning over possible brain damage any day, however.

He wasn't really standing up for himself though (unless he did get spat on in the beginning, I'm not clear of that). My guess is he's a security guard with police dreams that despises punks like this. I think he probably gets a little gratification in enforcing 'the right thing to do' that instead of standing up for himself, it was more of a bravado action.

You see it all the time in Vancouver. One guy got stomped for telling a group of guys to turn the stereo down. Another guy got stabbed at a bus stop for breaking up afight. In richmond, that kid who broke up a domestic dispute and got bottled. It just not worth to mess in other peoples business.


Theres right things to do, and then there is smart things you can do. This guy did the right thing, but not at a smart time.

[MindBomber]

I would have stepped in because it's the right thing to do, regardless of the risks to my personal safety. If I sat in my seat, appalled, but doing nothing, and one of the kicks to the neck the pussies landed happened to break the security guards neck and kill or paralyze him, I would spend the rest of my life wondering if stepping in would have prevented that. I'm not going to live my life afraid of what might happen, I'm going to live a life I can be proud of and never leave the opportunity to regret a decision because of hypothetical possibilities.

Where's the line.
If it was a woman being beaten, would you have stepped in?
If it was a parent hitting a child, would you say something?
If it was an older man that said something, would you have tried to prevent the beating?
What if it were a handicapped person, would you step in then?
or in every one of those circumstances, would you have been to afraid of what might happen to you, and ignore what is happening to the victim?

I'm not putting down your stance, it's very reasonable, I'm just curious.

+1 expected nothing less from the shirtless guy to snap after that face shove, he understandably wouldn't let that happen (especially in front of his buddies)

There's no doubt that these guys were being disrespectful but is it worth your life to stand up to them? security guard was a fucking idiot

And obviously everyone who sees these kind of news stories are disgusted like "how could they let this happen?!?!" "OMGAH!111" but honestly if you were just riding the bus or skytrain by yourself and a fight broke out between a scrawny kid and 3 black guys that are way bigger than you (who may or may not be carrying weapons) would you really step in? I wouldn't laugh at the poor guy but I sure as hell would not risk my life defending this idiot. It's not about growing a pair, it's about using your head. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not defending the attackers or the idiots who are just enjoying watching it. But fail me if you will, but I'm not one to risk my life for some random stranger in a fight that I clearly would not be able to break up by myself

[rsx]

Fucking animals. Disgusting.

[spideyv2]

the bitch behind the camera is annoying as fuck, too bad she didn't get stomped out.

Why are people in this thread shitting on the kid who stood up for himself and the old lady? just because he had the balls to do something you wouldn't?

That little guys a security guard.....LoL!
Honestly tho, what did he expect was going to happen.

What does size have to do with being a security guard? You aren't allowed to lay a hand on anyone anyways. Why do you think you see old female security guards?

[Zoidberg]

Black people :fuckthatshit:

[parm104]

What the f*ck is wrong with people to sit there and continue to video tape this entire incident why screaming and laughing hysterically? What's funny about having some guy get shit-kicked by 3 people?

"WoOoOOoORLD STAR, WoOoOoORLD STARRRR"...

I hate that these people think that getting yourself on World Star is some sort of life time achievement...

[ilvtofu]

I would have stepped in because it's the right thing to do, regardless of the risks to my personal safety. If I sat in my seat, appalled, but doing nothing, and one of the kicks to the neck the pussies landed happened to break the security guards neck and kill or paralyze him, I would spend the rest of my life wondering if stepping in would have prevented that. I'm not going to live my life afraid of what might happen, I'm going to live a life I can be proud of and never leave the opportunity to regret a decision because of hypothetical possibilities.

Where's the line.
If it was a woman being beaten, would you have stepped in?
If it was a parent hitting a child, would you say something?
If it was an older man that said something, would you have tried to prevent the beating?
What if it were a handicapped person, would you step in then?
or in every one of those circumstances, would you have been to afraid of what might happen to you, and ignore what is happening to the victim?

I'm not putting down your stance, it's very reasonable, I'm just curious.

At the end of the day the choice is up to you, one guy beat half to death or two. If you read my post, if it were something that my intervention could actually prevent then it'd be worth it for me to step in, it's not the victim but the attackers. Calling the cops is probably the best thing you could do unless you notice a group of UFC fighters also on the bus with you. seriously get off your moral high horse and get real,

I would rather be called a pussy and live to tell the tale then a mindless idiot with too much pride who got his ass killed over a few retards spitting on the train, but apparently in the eyes of some people that guy is a "hero" give me a fucking break :facepalm:

Had Joshua Anthony Camello harassed anyone I would've gladly intervened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydOGL_RNvUc&feature=player_embedded

At the end of the day, my stance is not going to be the popular one but in a case like this where the average commuter can not singlehandedly alleviate the situation it's better for society overall to have one victim than two. It's a philosophical dilemma but take the recent surrey stabbing case for example LINK (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/10/09/bc-good-samaritan-bus-stabbing.html)
Good samaritan yes, but was it worth it? As a father or friend or just somebody who was reading the new which scenario would you rather be in?

[JesseBlue]

bring me an ambulamps...:troll:

[white_guilt]

even before I clicked this thread, I knew exactly what race these people were going to be.

[GabAlmighty]

even before I clicked this thread, I knew exactly what race these people were going to be.

Even before I went to SFU tonight I knew what race was gonna be attempting to drive their parents cars in the snow...

[MindBomber]

At the end of the day the choice is up to you, one guy beat half to death or two. If you read my post, if it were something that my intervention could actually prevent then it'd be worth it for me to step in, it's not the victim but the attackers. Calling the cops is probably the best thing you could do unless you notice a group of UFC fighters also on the bus with you. seriously get off your moral high horse and get real,

I would rather be called a pussy and live to tell the tale then a mindless idiot with too much pride who got his ass killed over a few retards spitting on the train, but apparently in the eyes of some people that guy is a "hero" give me a fucking break :facepalm:


Are you on your rag?

I'm not on any high moral horse for my willingness to step in, any more than you're a pussy for sitting back and watching it happen.

So why don't you get the fuck off your horse, you aren't infinitely more intelligent than someone who would intervene. I've stepped into something before, and guess what, I wasn't stabbed, but I did stop something. Don't pretend it's a black and white scenario, that by defending the guy you're guaranteeing being beaten, it could go the other way.

[ilvtofu]

Are you on your rag?

I'm not on any high moral horse for my willingness to step in, any more than you're a pussy for sitting back and watching it happen.

So why don't you get the fuck off your horse, you aren't infinitely more intelligent than someone who would intervene. I've stepped into something before, and guess what, I wasn't stabbed, but I did stop something. Don't pretend it's a black and white scenario, that by defending the guy you're guaranteeing being beaten, it could go the other way.

I never said you should never intervene, but in this particular scenario the average individual wouldn't be able to do much physically, I haven't met you in person and I have no idea whether you resemble hulk hogan so I can't speak for you, sorry.

[Hurricane]

Its funny because every so often these types of threads come along; and there is always a divide in people's reactions. Why the fuk are you guys always surprised by it?

There are pussy's and hero's in the world. Not everyone can fit into one category, otherwise neither would exist.

That said; the truth is, the situations have to be evaluated individually. You can only equate this situation to a man beating a child, or an elderly disabled person as much as you can equate it to two equally sized guys mutually agreeing to fight and one kicking the others ass and stopping before the guy gets hurt seriously.

If you are a 130lb weakling, what the fuck would I expect you to do for a stranger in the above situation? Absolutely nothing. Same way I wouldn't expect a 5 year old child to perform CPR on me after a serious car accident. It's where you draw that line based on the circumstances and what you individually can offer, that determine whether or not you are a pussy. For example, you are a tiny pregnant woman, you have the green light to walk away from virtually everything.

You are a single, 25 year old reasonably fit/athletic male. Your ass should be involved pretty quick when someone needs help. When and how to intervene would depend on victim relationship, severity of the incident, instigation, danger factor and so forth.

All that said, there are certainly too many bystanders in the world. And to the worst of you, I hope karma finds you eventually.

[CharlieH]

i always try to give people the benefit of the doubt but jesus christ... fucking niggers man

[Mr.Money]

i always try to give people the benefit of the doubt but jesus christ... fucking niggers man

signed on just to thank you.

[Death2Theft]

Back in the day someone might have stood up for him but who knows if these guys had guns?

[GrapeDrink]

Are you on your rag?

I'm not on any high moral horse for my willingness to step in, any more than you're a pussy for sitting back and watching it happen.

So why don't you get the fuck off your horse, you aren't infinitely more intelligent than someone who would intervene. I've stepped into something before, and guess what, I wasn't stabbed, but I did stop something. Don't pretend it's a black and white scenario, that by defending the guy you're guaranteeing being beaten, it could go the other way.

well I think this basically relates back to what Hurricane said though, I mean obviously I don't know if you like 6'5 250 or whatever. I feel like you have to pick your spots, like whether you can actually make a difference in the scenario, I guess is usually what it comes down to, at least for me anyways. Like if its 10 guys mobbing on someone, am I a pussy to call the cops instead of rushing in?. I mean at the end of the day I know I've walked away from things like that and there are times I've stepped in. Like you said its no guarantee you get beat, I've had the times where me stepping in was enough and they walked off, but I've been punched in the face too lol. I'm 5'10 190 pounds of fat lol, I ain't here to impress anyone on the internet.

[Chronix]

damn canada line

[GabAlmighty]

Bro, i'm 6'2 220lbs all muscle. Come at me.

[JD¹³]

I'd have jumped in to protect the kid. In a situation like that you don't fight the attackers you end it as quickly as possible. Throats, nuts, eyes, back of the knees.... It would be over in seconds.

Everyones fight or flight mechanism is different, but all it took was one or maybe two people on that whole train to stand up to these bitches. It's extra pathetic when people whip out cameras and encourage it. Those would have been next on my smash list.
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[Great68]

. It's extra pathetic when people whip out cameras and encourage it. Those would have been next on my smash list.


This is the worst thing.

If the majority of other train passengers at least chimed in that spitting on transit was not acceptable, and then yelling "stop" when things escalated instead of pulling out the camera and egging them on, maybe shirtless black guy would have thought differently before taking swings.

I think that "Stepping in" doesn't necessarily have to mean physically getting involved.

[subordinate]

This is the worst thing.

If the majority of other train passengers at least chimed in that spitting on transit was not acceptable, and then yelling "stop" when things escalated instead of pulling out the camera and egging them on, maybe shirtless black guy would have thought differently before taking swings.

I think that "Stepping in" doesn't necessarily have to mean physically getting involved.

I wouldn't say worst. The video evidence could help track the individuals in the future.

Good point about helping doesn't necessarily involve jumping in, verbal words by various passengers might give voice of reason.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

you don't touch someone unless you are ready to kill or die.

[TheKingdom2000]

Everyone talks a big game in my opinion.
And it is easy to say you'll do one thing.

Vancouver is a little different than the states.
Everyone here seems a littler bit more educated/respectful in my opinion. (mostly because we don't really have a ghetto)

I don't know if I would step in, but if I didn't it would kill me to see these thugs harassing other people. If I were by myself and they were rolling three deep and they looked aggressive like that. I honestly do not think I would stand up to them unless other people on the train were there to back me up.

[JD¹³]

you don't touch someone unless you are ready to kill or die.
:seriously: Please tell me that's not a serious statement.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

:seriously: Please tell me that's not a serious statement.

what's there not to get?
im dead serious.

if you initiate a fight, you better be prepared to die, because the other person may kill you.

what if those guys started took a knife out and started stabbing him, is he going to start crying and regret standing up for that woman? of course he is, cuz he wasnt prepared for the ultimate conclusion.

what if they're not willing to give up the fight and they'll fight to the death?
well you better be ready to kill him or you're going to die as well.

what is the point of just punching someone? why even fight?

you don't see nations fighting each other in the ring, or with referees.
when you fight, it's to the death man. you have to be prepared to take a life, or have your life taken.

if you're NOT ready for that. you're not ready to fight. that's that man.

you're in the military, you should understand. when you fly your jet on a mission, you're ready to kill your enemy, you are also ready to get blown the fuck up right?

it's no different than a street fight. you set out on a mission to do something, you prepare for the worst, hope for the best. right?

every time i engage myself in someone else's business, i always think to myself, what if this guy goes batshit insane? am i ready for this? is my life worth meddling in someone else's business? am i ready to have blood on my hands for this cause?
if the answer is no, i don't engage. if the answer is yes, then i step in.
of course i also gauge the situation by how easy i think i can win without getting violent, but i always consider the worst. you HAVE to.

if you're not ready for those, you're going to lose the fight to someone else who has already accepted those results.

[JD¹³]

what's there not to get?
im dead serious.
This isn't a military situation, it's 3 chimps on a train. I get what you're trying to say but that's a pretty broad and powerful statement that doesn't apply to 99.5% of altercations on the street.

The general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. Bully's count on people to have that mindset. You'd be amazed how fast bully's back down at the slightest hint of someone showing equal force back at them, which is why literally every guy that I've engaged that acted in a similar fashion to these goofs has either backed down or lost a physical altercation immediately because they're all show and no real go.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

This isn't a military situation, it's 3 chimps on a train. I get what you're trying to say but that's a pretty broad and powerful statement that doesn't apply to 99.5% of altercations on the street.

it's no different.
i analyse the situation
i see 3 huge, and already angry chimps, with inflated egos.
they're all bigger than me, probably faster, and stronger.
I have no weapon.
if they decide to fight me, i will lose.
if they decide to kill me, i will die.

the only chance i have is running away, or the element of surprise, which wont last long, and i'll probably still lose.

im not willing to die for this cause.
they're not killing anyone or hurting anyone. they're just being rude and obnoxious.

if they were beating on someone, maybe it would be different, but probably not, unless i really cared for that someone. i'd just call the cops.

if they chase me, and follow me, and insist on engaging me, of course i will have no choice. ill have to go for eyes, throat, groin whatever i can, find an object to use as a weapon. i would be willing to go to prison if i killed one of them with some accidental lucky blow to the head or whatever. of course i would argue it's not my fault. but im ready for the worst.


in your case what would you do? seriously. if u don't consider those factors, what if they lay those things down on the table?

it does apply to all altercations on the street. because, what if one of them wants to follow you home and do damage to you there?

what if you pick a fight with someone weaker than you? someone smaller. someone willing to bring it to another level outside the fight?

what are the chances of that? probably low. but i know they exist out there, because that's what i'd do. and im absolutely not unique in anyway. there's tons of me out there.

The general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. $Bully's count on people to have that mindset. You'd be amazed how fast bully's back down at the slightest hint of someone showing equal force back at them, which is why literally every guy that I've engaged that acted in a similar fashion to these goofs has either backed down or lost a physical altercation immediately because they're all show and no real go.
youre right, i'd stand up for that guy, but not in a physical sense, cuz we'd get our asses handed to us. I'd probably just tell him to back down and let them go on their way cuz they're fucking idiots and youre NOT going to convince them to be better people in this one confrontation.

you're challenging them, not trying to fix them. it's a FIGHT man. not lesson on manners and etiquette.

or perhaps go to the lady and kindly say, why don't we go sit over there?
and just leave.

to some of you that may sound pussy, yes, i agree, but the flip side is not getting your head pounded in.

you've had experience in engaging people like this. ok, let me ask you, what if one of them really decides to go batshit insane on you? are you ready for the consequences? are you ready?
you cant predict what the other person will do. you can only gauge whether you can defeat them in that instant based on stature and size.

yeah, if i was bigger than all of them, or know some sort MMA or whatever bullshit, yeah i might be more confident in confronting them.
or if its just a little skinny kid, lol. yeah, i'd totally just jump in. but im still prepared to have blood on my hands if it comes down to it.

i wouldnt be in court crying to the judge saying "oh i didnt expect this to happen im so sorry, please dont put me in prison!"

if you really REALLY REALLY WANTED to teach them a lesson, you do it in a situation where you'll win. like i said, you can always follow them home and do whatever pleases you when they're asleep. lol they're probably poor, you can leave a nice note on their door step telling them they're asses. and then burn their car down.
i mean, if you want to WIN... then win. win in a way where you'll WIN for sure.

like i said, you cannot predict the people you engage in, the only thing you can do is to be prepared. the ONE time it does happen, you'll be already ready, and you'll act before they do. and you'll win.
you only have 1 life. it only takes 1 time. especially if you engage in these confrontations all the time, the chances of something happening like permanent damage or death is much greater than someone that doesnt engage in these things. so what's a few seconds of thought to prepare?

you and your buddy confront some bullies, one of you gets permanently injured/dies, crying in front of the judge and regretting getting involved aint gonna make your life any easier. but if you already accepted the worse, then life is all good.


i just have to throw in one last thing. the point of your confrontation, is not to fix anything. not to teach them anything. you already know they wont change.
the ONLY point of this confrontation is to satisfy your own ego. because the result is, nothing really will change at the end (maybe they'll back off and no one gets spit on, or no one gets in a scruff), but, in the end, still the result is the same. no one changed, nothing changed.
if we remove the ego factor, then clearly, nothing should be done.
but if you really want to get involved, to stand up for your values, or whatever it is, you're going to defend those values to the end right? i mean they're your core values right?
not only do you want to defend your values, you want to MAKE the opposition change. change will only come through extreme shock and pain, or death, or if you sit them down and convince them they're idiots. OBVIOUSLY the latter isnt going to happen.

i'd engage for the sake of a chance at permanent change, not for the sake of satisfying the current situation.

[ilvtofu]

Agree with Ulic, keep in mind these 3 guys (don't mean to jump to conclusions but sometimes it helps) are hoodlums with pretty much nothing to lose, and we can pretty much all agree that they're pretty hungry for a fight, this wasn't a random incident and the victim wasn't random. The 3 guys obviously aren't concerned with the consequences of attacking a stranger on the train and they are mentally prepared to put this kid in a wheelchair at least.

It's just not worth it in this particular scenario for one individual to stick up for this kid unless you were armed with at least a knife.

There is clearly a consensus that these bystanders that are laughing should go to hell, but I wouldn't call anyone a pussy for not throwing themselves at 3 guys twice his size.

[JD¹³]

in your case what would you do? seriously.
Me? Way off topic but alright. I'd see three men tunnel-visioned on a single victim. I get a free shot at the first who will be totally defenseless. What I'd do would depend on the angle and his posture but it would have to disable him long enough to take out the other two. Once the first guy is down the other two will take notice, but it will take a moment for them to realize what's happening. In that time number two will get hit so hard in the gut or base of the throat that all he'll be doing is wheezing in the fetal position for the next 2-3 minutes. Heavy odds are number three backs down immediately after watching two of his buddies be dispatched in a matter of seconds. If not, I'd probably get a wild swinging haymaker that anyone who's taken a 1hr boxing class could avoid and counter.

Situation resolved. Help victim up, walk him to another car, get off at the next stop and seek medical / police attention. Later, become the target of many racial slurs and insults after video of myself destroying three black men is posted on WorldStarHipHop.

if they chase me.... what if one of them wants to follow.... what if you pick a fight with....
I'll say again: the general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. If you're too small to do anything physically you should still stand up for what's right. If even a handful did that this video never would have been filmed. If everyone did the kid probably would be respectful enough not to be spitting on the train in the first place.

But....... that's just me.

[donjalapeno]

God damn, how can ANYONE live with women that sound like that...jesus all mighty.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Me? Way off topic but alright. I'd see three men tunnel-visioned on a single victim. I get a free shot at the first who will be totally defenseless. What I'd do would depend on the angle and his posture but it would have to disable him long enough to take out the other two. Once the first guy is down the other two will take notice, but it will take a moment for them to realize what's happening. In that time number two will get hit so hard in the gut or base of the throat that all he'll be doing is wheezing in the fetal position for the next 2-3 minutes. Heavy odds are number three backs down immediately after watching two of his buddies be dispatched in a matter of seconds. If not, I'd probably get a wild swinging haymaker that anyone who's taken a 1hr boxing class could avoid and counter.

yeah, see, i can't do those things.
but if i could, what if that punch to the throat causes his windpipe to collapse, and he dies while you're fighting the other guys?

im talking about stuff like that, stuff you cant predict. i know it's a WHAT IF, but WHAT IF? you can't avoid those questions saying there's a slim chance. because IF it does happen, are you prepared?

i would be lol. fuck him, i killed him. it was an accident, but i accept it. ive already accepted it before i entered the fight.


I'll say again: the general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. If you're too small to do anything physically you should still stand up for what's right. If even a handful did that this video never would have been filmed. If everyone did the kid probably would be respectful enough not to be spitting on the train in the first place.

But....... that's just me.

standing up for the victim is easy, standing up to those guys isnt.
but like i said, standing up for the right thing is pointless if there is no change right? what's the point of exerting all that energy and effort if at the end, there is no change? those 3 black guys aint gonna be better people if you win. unless u think the physical beating "teaches them a lesson". but then that is also a IF. and a slim chance at that too! sometime down the road, they're still gonna bully someone. your fighting efforts were wasted. u see what im saying?


Im in no way saying you're wrong.
hell if i knew you, and we were both on that train and you jumped in. i probably would jump in too. but dont be surprised when you turn around, and the guy you winded is on the ground getting his head stomped by my feet over and over again lol.

[m4k4v4li]

I'll say again: the general population shouldn't be afraid of standing up for guys like the victim of this train attack because of a very very very distant "what if" scenario. If you're too small to do anything physically you should still stand up for what's right. If even a handful did that this video never would have been filmed. If everyone did the kid probably would be respectful enough not to be spitting on the train in the first place.

But....... that's just me.

first of all... the "general population" (a good portion being women, children, seniors) can't really do shit.

your judgement of a "very very very distant what if scenario" of getting hurt is not very distant at all. In fact, the chances of getting hurt when deciding to engage with people that have the intent of inflicting harm is quite high.

i don't think a collective effort in verbally shaming these guys would helped much

if you wanna risk you're life over someone else's petty dispute. go for it.

i prefer not putting myself in a situation where i may get severely fucked, stabbed or shot. hell, i don't even want a love tap shiner if its avoidable

[dachinesedude]

in these situations, if i was an on-looker, couple things would run through my head really quickly

1. am i physically able to take them on to make a difference, or will i get my assed kicked along with that guy
2. will i get sued if i hurt someone (prob wont happen here, but in asia, you gotta REALLY think bout that, kinda like the case where a home owner seriously injures a burgular, burgular sues and wins)
3. does the guy deserve help, or did he brought it on himself

3 angry black guys? oh hell no
3 skinny hongers? yea most likely

[JD¹³]

but like i said, standing up for the right thing is pointless if there is no change right? what's the point of exerting all that energy and effort if at the end, there is no change?
Because I'd have stood up for a kid who couldn't defend himself against thugs. I'm not out to teach anyone a lesson. I believe in honesty, integrity, honour, and morality and it doesn't fucking matter if my actions change anything for the attackers - my goal would be to help the victim. My only hope would be that in the future if they bully again someone else steps up to the plate in any way possible to stop them. Might be a pipedream given the number of apathetic pushovers these days, but at least I'll have done my part and that's all I care about :)

By the way Ulic your stance is amusingly contradictory to your avatar :p

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol, i thought we were discussing if one of us were that kid.

I would think lobo would just not care cuz he generally doesnt care if it doesnt benefit him at all.
and if it annoyed him in anyway, he'd probably kill them all. and everyone else on the train.
and then everyone at the train station. lol

[JD¹³]

if we remove the ego factor, then clearly, nothing should be done.

i'd engage for the sake of a chance at permanent change, not for the sake of satisfying the current situation.
There's where you and I are fundamentally on a completely different level. I'll leave it at that.

[Glove]

I have no idea if I would help or not...

god bless having a job and a car

[GLOW]

i would have looked for the train panic/security button if there was one and try to activate it and go unnoticed.

[lgman]

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