[Meowjin]

Who suffers from it and how do you guys cope.

I do a mix of exercise + light therapy plus reduced hours at work + spending more time with distant relatives / close friends.

[SkinnyPupp]

Moved to subtropical Asia

[haymura]

ooops, misunderstood the topic. my bad.

[SkinnyPupp]

BTW by SAD he means Seasonal affective disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder). A very real and serious issue to a lot of people.

It wasn't the ONLY reason I moved, but definitely one of them. And I haven't had any issues since moving.

[muteki]

^ I believe he was referring to seasonal affective disorder, not just being "sad". =/

[TheNewGirl]

I've had this for years. At times it's been severe enough that I've had to go on an SSRI from Nov - March (Feb is typically the worst month for me), though usually that's when it's coupled with other stress factors. I love SFU, but given the fogged in factor they get up there in Nov & Jan/Feb in that grey campus, when I was there that was some of the worst of it I've ever had.

Most years I just try hard to make the most of what sun I can get, and use full spectrum lights at home. I find when it gets really bad, a few short sessions of tanning are a surprisingly quick and effective pick me up too.

[Hondaracer]

what i fucking hate is its pitch black out at 4:45

used to think i liked winter, fuck that give me back august

[Excelsis]

oh so this is what this is, i got it before during spring

You just have to be constantly motivated, for me it's working out and taekwondo and the dream of making it to the olympics

Before that i was a lazy ass that tried to cut corners and get away with work kind of. Make sure you eat more as well during winter since you'll need more energy.

Hope i helped :D

[dinosaur]

I find November is the worst month.

Once xmas comes (and the first day of winter), I am motivated by the fact that the worst is over. If I can just make it until then....all is good.

I have also been told that if you tend to sleep in in the mornings, it is better to wake up earlier (like when the sun rises) as you will be able to maximize the amount of natural light you get.

I have also heard that taking Vitamin D and B helps...but I never really noticed a difference.

I agree with the tanning bed....even short periods makes me feel better.

It sucks...but we are almost there- less than a month (Dec 21) until the sun sets later and later :)

[Teh Doucher]

working hard, exercise and smoking up some of the finest green herb that i can get my hands on is how i deal with SAD. and if i must say, it works damn well.

[Meowjin]

I agree november is my bad month. It actually effects all aspects of my life.

can't put emphasis on how real it truly is. My thinking goes to total shit during the winter months.

Serious question. I have a few friends who really push me to smoke weed to deal with it. I dont think its the best idea. Any thoughts?

[SiRV]

One of the possible side effects of weed is you can go psychotic... literally

[dinosaur]

I agree november is my bad month. It actually effects all aspects of my life.

can't put emphasis on how real it truly is. My thinking goes to total shit during the winter months.

Serious question. I have a few friends who really push me to smoke weed to deal with it. I dont think its the best idea. Any thoughts?

Marijuana is a depressant.

Don't do it...SAD makes you lethargic and foggy headed enough. Why add to it?

[quasi]

This is one thing I'm enjoying about Sask. It might be cold but at least most days it's sunny.

[SkinnyPupp]

I agree november is my bad month. It actually effects all aspects of my life.

can't put emphasis on how real it truly is. My thinking goes to total shit during the winter months.

Serious question. I have a few friends who really push me to smoke weed to deal with it. I dont think its the best idea. Any thoughts?
Weed will only make it worse. MUCH worse. You will have depression combined with paranoia, and that isn't a good combo, trust me

[BrRsn]

workout, take drives up snowy roads (one of the local mountains/make a run to whistler with close friends for cafe crepe montaigne or whatever its called lol), try to bury my head in the books, close the blinds before it gets dark and turn on tons of lights so it "feels" like daytime. I get super duper lazy though, everyone does.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I'm a nightowl naturally, so i don't miss sunlight at all. nor do i crave it.

since im guessing most of you are couped up inside most of the time anyways, you should just close your blinds fully when its dark outside and turn on all your lights and jack up the heat, and pump the music that's what i do.

I don't even notice if it's bright or dark outside. lol ignorance is bliss.

my backgrounds are all sunny or tropical places. hey, it's no different than looking out any other window. lol. anything helps right?

but for real, if you just avoid outside, and not know it's dark or raining or whatever, you probably wont feel as bad.

although i do agree it is slightly depressing when its totally dark before 5pm. but i think the cold makes me far more depressed than any sort of darkness.

you guys didn't pretend you were ninjas and batman enough when you were young.



Serious question. I have a few friends who really push me to smoke weed to deal with it. I dont think its the best idea. Any thoughts?

it doesn't hurt to try. no one's telling you to become a total pot head. a few puffs to try out wont hurt.

obviously you don't smoke a joint and go walking outside in the dark. it's supposed to take your mind off it completely when you are doing something else.

lol it aint some miracle drug, you still have to remove yourself from the environment.


Marijuana is a depressant.

Don't do it...SAD makes you lethargic and foggy headed enough. Why add to it?

actually, get your drug facts straight.
being depressed is not the same as a depressant

Depressant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant)

if that were true, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes a helluva lot everyday would make me happy.

weed is actually a depressant, stimulant, psychedelic, and intoxicant.
yeah it's all of them.
Erowid Cannabis (Marijuana) Vault (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml)

if u look cannaboids are smack right in the middle
and THC is all of them except an anti-psychotic.
http://files.shroomery.org/files/06-10/166031724-Ima.bmp
http://infobeautiful2.s3.amazonaws.com/drugsworld_960.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Drug_Venn_Diagram.jpg


if you wanna talk about drugs that further your depression, turn to alcohol.

alcohol is the worst thing you can hit when you're looking for an escape.

next time you feel like shit, start drinking, lol, i guarantee you'll feel like killing yourself.

marijuana you'll probably just zone out and think of something completely unrelated.

Weed will only make it worse. MUCH worse. You will have depression combined with paranoia, and that isn't a good combo, trust me

everyone is different, it affects everyone differently.

it can make you paranoid yeah. depends on the strain, and person. from my understanding sativa's tend to make people more paranoid than couch-lock indicas.

obviously you don't use it to get mega fucking stoned. that defeats the purpose.
just enough to use it for what it's supposed to be used for.

just like you don't see people with ADHD taking 50mg of dextroamphetamines when the doc tells you, you only need 5mg to "fix" you.

[SkinnyPupp]

Damn why is fails turned off for this forum? That is some bulllllll shit Ulic

[dinosaur]

actually, get your drug facts straight.
being depressed is not the same as a depressant

Depressant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depressant)

if that were true, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes a helluva lot everyday would make me happy...

I didn't say it would make you DEPRESSED. As you pointed out, I said it is a DEPRESSANT (which it is).

It makes you lethargic and foggy headed....much like SAD. If ya already feel like that, why would you make it worse?

Marijuana slows down the central nervous system. The use of depressants can result in a slowed pulse and breathing, slurred speech, drowsiness, lowered blood pressure, poor concentration, fatigue and confusion, as well as impaired coordination, memory and judgment." (www.drugfree.org- yes, the is info outside of wikipedia).

When was the last time you smoked a joint and felt like you could run a marathon?! Don't tell me that shit makes you happy...

And as you said, you don't even suffer with SAD....what makes you think you can give advice as to how to deal with it?

[fliptuner]

I've had this for years. At times it's been severe enough that I've had to go on an SSRI from Nov - March (Feb is typically the worst month for me), though usually that's when it's coupled with other stress factors. I love SFU, but given the fogged in factor they get up there in Nov & Jan/Feb in that grey campus, when I was there that was some of the worst of it I've ever had.

Most years I just try hard to make the most of what sun I can get, and use full spectrum lights at home. I find when it gets really bad, a few short sessions of tanning are a surprisingly quick and effective pick me up too.

No issues getting off them after such a short period? I was using an SSRI years ago and it was a struggle to wean myself off. There are times I'd like to try it again but am worried about getting off it.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Damn why is fails turned off for this forum? That is some bulllllll shit Ulic

it's not.

if i locked you in a room that had no windows and you didn't know what season it was, you wouldn't suffer from SAD. so ignorance is bliss... RIGHT? just to make things clear, im correlating it to removing yourself from the environment. (which you have done).

In asia the sun sets by 5pm too. so tell me, what is the difference?
in fact in asia the sun sets by 5pm even in the summer. wouldn't you suffer from SAD even worse there than here?

yeah, the sun might rise earlier there, compared to here (in the winter), but then you're not awake at 5am anyway right?

so what exactly is the difference? you're going to reply that the weather is a lot better. yes it is. the warmth most definitely helps does it not?

so if you remove yourself from the environment, and you're warm (not wrapped up, but the environment is warm, ex. using a heater), are you not essentially doing the same thing that you have done? moving to HK, or being in a room where you cant gauge the outside weather, what exactly is the difference? it's psychologically different. cuz you KNOW. that's the ONLY difference.

as for the weed, like i said, everyone is different. anyone with bad experiences with weed probably was smoking it recreationally and smoked way too much, and/or have general personality tenancies to worry or have anxiety or stress issues.

I didn't say it would make you DEPRESSED. As you pointed out, I said it is a DEPRESSANT (which it is).

It makes you lethargic and foggy headed....much like SAD. If ya already feel like that, why would you make it worse?

that is an assumption that you have created out of thin air (unless im wrong, then it means you have smoked the appropriate amount of weed while suffering from SAD, then please tell me your experience in detail).

the lethargic feeling and foggy headedness of SAD is not the same as the effects of smoking weed.

the lethargic feeling you get from marijuana is only a stage of the entire "high" or whatever you want to call it. usually at the very end, and generally from indica strains. and not everyone experiences it (just like not everyone experiences the munchies).
a lot of people actually say they are often more awake, and if they smoke it when they're really tired (like nodding), it often wakes them up and keeps them awake until the lingering "buzz" wears off (which wears off hours later). it most definitely keeps the gears in your brain turning faster than normal. if you consider yourself a thinker, rather than a doer, then you will most definitely feel more awake. if you're the type to just lay in your bed and watch tv, well no shit you're gonna feel tired. you're gonna feel tired if you were laying in your bed watching TV without weed.

the "foggy headedness" you experience from SAD is not the same as the terrible short term memory you have when you're high on weed.

you are assuming it makes it worse.

Cannabis: Potent Anti-depressant In Low Doses, Worsens Depression At High Doses (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071023183937.htm)
like i said, i didn't say go smoke a whole joint yourself and throw a pot party to fix your SAD.
everything is done in moderation. a few puffs. or even 1 puff. or half a puff.


Marijuana slows down the central nervous system. The use of depressants can result in a slowed pulse and breathing, slurred speech, drowsiness, lowered blood pressure, poor concentration, fatigue and confusion, as well as impaired coordination, memory and judgment." (www.drugfree.org- yes, the is info outside of wikipedia).

lol c'mon, that's a biased website. that's a total anti drug site.

how about from a less biased site:
Erowid Cannabis (Marijuana) Vault : Effects (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml)

POSITIVE
mood lift, euphoria
increased giggling and laughing
relaxation, stress reduction
creative, philosophical, abstract, or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily
increased appreciation or awareness of music; deeper connection to music; increased emotional impact of music
increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell)
change in experience of muscle fatigue; pleasant body feel; increase in body/mind connection
pain relief (headaches, cramps)
reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this)
boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny


When was the last time you smoked a joint and felt like you could run a marathon?! Don't tell me that shit makes you happy...

i know some people that have a few puffs before they workout, and they're fuckin huge guys. i've tried doing this a few times as well. i noticed the pain reduction in my last "few" reps was significant. I could push harder because my pain threshold was higher. im sure there are other members that have smoked a little and worked out. im sure they'll have similar responses.

construction workers are also notorious for smoking weed and working all day. their jobs are fairly physical. you think they'd smoke up and work all day if it made them tired and sad? it doesnt make them happy, but it sure makes the day a helluva lot more interesting.

it doesn't MAKE you HAPPY and giddy, but it most DEFINITELY takes your mind off whatever negative thoughts you have and neutralizes your negative mood to something MORE positive than what it was.

you have the wrong path of thinking. you want to be happy? guess what, we arent designed to be HAPPY all the god damn time. but you can feel OKAY/NORMAL.

if you wanna feel happy go ask your doctor for some serotonin selective re-uptake inhibitors. or go ask him for some extended release dextroamphetamine or any amphetamine variants. or hell, you can even take some benzodiazapines. i guarantee you, you'll feel "happy" after taking the appropriate amount of the above. and yes, those things i listed are not illegal street drugs, in fact they're the purest form of those street drugs you can get, legally.

i just listed an antipsychotic, stimulant and depressant, and they all can make you "happy". im not talking about happy. im talking about distracting your mind from the SAD mood. removing SAD does not equate to being giddy kind of happy.


and you totally got your head over why i even started this.

you're slandering a drug (yes it is, for those of you who consider it just "a plant"), and you've obviously got no, or very little experience with this drug. you are basing everything off your own personal experiences, based off the weed you, or your friends smoked, and you guys probably don't know where it came from, which strain it was, and if you've ever used it, you probably used it for recreational purposes at recreational doses, not medical doses.



you totally avoided my statement on alcohol. well, it's okay, because we all know that is the most true statement in all of this thread. not one person will disagree that alcohol will totally fuck your mood up if you're already sad (and it probably will fuck your mood up even if you're not sad).

now, since you're so against weed for SAD, let me ask you, during these down seasons, do you drink at all? this is a question to anyone that suffers from SAD.

if the answer is yes, then, i ask you... why the fuck are you drinking and slandering weed when alcohol makes things way worse?

it's hypocritical. and there's obviously a bias based not on facts, but personal preference and upbringing to which drug is okay and which is not.

i can guarantee you, that if you're a physically normal, that doesnt suffer from anxiety, low confidence, or any type of social phobia (or any phobia) and you're suffering from SAD. that after having a bit of weed, you'll feel a hell of a lot better than having a few drinks.

I guarantee you sometime this christmas season, you will consume alcohol. you tell me when you're home, buzzed, or still drunk and all wound down from the party you were at, how good do you feel? how good do you feel about yourself and where the world is going? it's a rhetorical question, you don't need to answer.

And as you said, you don't even suffer with SAD....what makes you think you can give advice as to how to deal with it?

and you don't have a phd in bio-chemistry, what makes you think you can give advice to as how weed affects the human body?

one doesn't need to be a physics major, to figure out how to throw a basketball through a hoop.

I don't need to be a psychiatrist to tell you that distracting your mind will probably be a good step away from your SAD.

i definitely dont need to suffer from SAD to tell you what psychoactive drugs can distract and put your mind somewhere else, and alleviate your negative mood associated with SAD.

by the way, im not a pro-legalization of marijuana type, pot culture hippy guy.

but i am very opposed to drug facts that are biased opinionated.



like i said, weed can be a TOOL to distract your mind.
some people play instruments, some play video games. have you thought, maybe with a bit of weed, combined with playing instruments, or whatever your hobbies are, would greatly reduce the effects of SAD? when i said removing yourself from the environment, i didn't just mean physically. mentally too.

why do you think excersize is usually the general prescription for these psychological type of disorders? it removes your mind from the environment. a distraction. that and it generally improves health anyway.

I also know majinhurricane works in a club, he's probably surrounded by alcohol and im not sure if he drinks, but if he does, it most definitely doesnt help, and that taking a few puffs of weed to see how he reacts to it most definitely wont hurt.

bury my head in the books, close the blinds before it gets dark and turn on tons of lights so it "feels" like daytime. I get super duper lazy though, everyone does.

see? is this not another example of what i was getting at?
it obviously works for dhillon, it might not work 100%, but it HELPS. right?

No issues getting off them after such a short period? I was using an SSRI years ago and it was a struggle to wean myself off. There are times I'd like to try it again but am worried about getting off it.

don't use SSRI's if you can avoid it. SSRI's should only be used for major depression. it also depends on which SSRI you're using, theres a whole bucket load. some are easier to ween off than others.

doctors only prescribe SSRI's for SAD or other minor depressive disorders because that's what they were taught. there are plenty of alternative medicines/methods to deal with minor depression. SSRI's can cause way worse depression later. plus like you said, you can't just stop taking them. i'm highly against the prescription of SSRI's for first line of defence.

you can look into "5-HTP", it's a precursor to serotonin. it's available in nutrition stores. im sure you'll notice a difference if you take it for a while. but like anything else, take it in moderation, i'd take less than the label says. perhaps every other day.

you can also look into melatonin, and pop it 30minutes before the time you wish to sleep (earlier, so u can wake up earlier and experience more sunlight). but i'd generally avoid melatonin as well unless you're adjusting to another time zone, an insomniac or have trouble sleeping.

[JD¹³]

Ulic, you don't get out or have much of a social life at all... do you?

I know what you mean Majin. I'm not really affected by SAD but I sure do hate how early it gets dark, especially after the shitty weather we had this summer. Nothing is worse than leaving work and feeling like your day is already over and that all there's left to do is go home to bed. Just have to push through it. For me it's going to the gym, having beers with friends, studying hard, and staying as motivated to enjoy life as I would if it was hot and sunny outside. The great thing is winter will eventually end, and as of December 21st the days will start getting longer again :)

[fliptuner]

I'm equally excited for Dec. 21st as I am saddened for Jun. 21.

[vafanculo]

I'll chime in about weed...

When I smoke, I am SUPER energetic. I used to blaze and run the seawall, clean my home, bust random pushups during commercial breaks.

However, one thing I will advise people that are depressed, is to think twice about blazing. From my experience, it brings deep thoughts. If you are ALREADY depressed and you blaze on your own, you may have a shitty trip and dwell on things too hard. Especially if you are not a seasoned toker.
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[SpartanAir]

I take a multi vitamin daily and a couple 1000 IU tablets of Vitamin D to help with the feelings. Vitamin D is what you get from sunlight, so when there isn't much it's good to supplement this.
I've also been going regularly to the gym, and I feel great.

And I've made a point of going away somewhere sunny at least once this winter.

If you know you are affected by the winter routinely, take responsibility. Plan for a cheap getaway to mexico or something, even like 4-5 days would help.

Don't just sit in the dark damp vancouver winter and complain.

[dinosaur]

it's not.

if i locked you in a room .....

tl;dr

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Ulic, you don't get out or have much of a social life at all... do you?

actually lets not turn this into a popularity contest. but since u initiated it okay

i probably have more of a social life than anyone else in this thread. im out every weekend, and i help promote for couple promotional companies on top of everything else. my hobby is socialising. dont even try to compete with me in this category, or judge me based on some stereotype that you've pulled outta your ass in 2 seconds. I can do the same to you, but i know you're not like that in real life.

and on top of that, i've took a lot of time over the course of the past decade to actually go out meet more RS members face to face and shake their hands, than any of you have.

I've MET majin in real life, so my reply was customed tailored to his response. a reply to a friend, if you will.

plus my reply was yes, i admit, an attack generally directed toward dinorsaur (not as much to skinnypupp because i remember from previous posts that he's tried many drugs and he just doesnt enjoy the effects), because i know she's totally anti weed, and the attitude and response she gave had a major biased tone, and totally unresearched with no experience at all. her and her SO manage buildings, and have complained about weed smokers. so she's got a personal vendetta against weed smokers, and i thought i'd stick my foot up her ass for judging so quickly.

i know many people that use marijauana legitimately to help me cope with their disabilities. yes ppl with REAL disabilities, that have the legit marijuana card from the govt. i used to be the biggest anti drug guy. i've been on both sides of the coin. most of you haven't.


I'll chime in about weed...

When I smoke, I am SUPER energetic. I used to blaze and run the seawall, clean my home, bust random pushups during commercial breaks.

However, one thing I will advise people that are depressed, is to think twice about blazing. From my experience, it brings deep thoughts. If you are ALREADY depressed and you blaze on your own, you may have a shitty trip and dwell on things too hard. Especially if you are not a seasoned toker.


exactly, like i said, everyone is different. and like i said, smoke in APPROPRIATE amounts.

tl;dr

well then, in other words, not only are you too lazy to read and come up with a well thought out response (to something you stand up for hah), you are also too immature to just leave it as be and had to reply with something as immature as this.

i'll just take that as, you have nothing you can come up with and nothing else to say, because i'm right.

anyways, most of you probably think 'oh he just thinks weed is the answer to SAD'. no, like i said, it could be a bit of help if used in the appropriate amounts.
excersize and removing yourself from the environment physically and mentally play a huge part too.

if you guys cannot put that all together by yourself and can only nit pick and attack certain points of my post, then you guys are just too simple minded. you cannot see beyond what is in front of you. just cut your ego in half and perhaps thoroughly read what i've said, and just admit, i'm right.

or not, i don't mind spending the time to type up a huge post. for every 1 of you that reply and say i'm wrong, there's 100 nodding in agreement with me in silence. that's a fact. even though no one even comes to this part of the forum lol.

[SkinnyPupp]

I like the effects of weed, just not when you're depressed. If you're in a good state of mind before hand, it will be even better. If you're in a down state of mind, it will make it worse.

Maybe you've never experienced that.

[dinosaur]

well then, in other words, not only are you too lazy to read and come up with a well thought out response (to something you stand up for hah), you are also too immature to just leave it as be and had to reply with something as immature as this.

i'll just take that as, you have nothing you can come up with and nothing else to say, because i'm right.

anyways, most of you probably think 'oh he just thinks weed is the answer to SAD'. no, like i said, it could be a bit of help if used in the appropriate amounts.
excersize and removing yourself from the environment physically and mentally play a huge part too.

if you guys cannot put that all together by yourself and can only nit pick and attack certain points of my post, then you guys are just too simple minded. you cannot see beyond what is in front of you. just cut your ego in half and perhaps thoroughly read what i've said, and just admit, i'm right.

or not, i don't mind spending the time to type up a huge post. for every 1 of you that reply and say i'm wrong, there's 100 nodding in agreement with me in silence. that's a fact. even though no one even comes to this part of the forum lol.


No dude, I am just not going to get in a retarded argument with someone over the use of drugs.

I do not do drugs
I do not take drugs
I do not drink

Your opinion is clearly different than mine and therefore, there is no use arguing it. You are not going to convince me that smoking pot is good anymore than I am going to convince you that smoking pot is bad.

And gee, I am really sorry that I did not have the time to quote and argue every aspect of your response nor do I care how many people you think are agreeing with you. Half of the fucking country can agree with you, that does not mean you are right or that I should jump on board.

I am also not going to sit here and defend what University degrees I have compared to you or how well versed I am on the subject and see who comes out on top on a subject, that in my mind is over-promoted and over-valued.

[Excelsis]

I like how you end your argument with "lol"
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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

I like the effects of weed, just not when you're depressed. If you're in a good state of mind before hand, it will be even better. If you're in a down state of mind, it will make it worse.

Maybe you've never experienced that.

okay i can agree with that.
but i mean, generally, for example if someone has had a shitty ass day, or is heart broken, a few puffs is better than a drink. lol.

but if you're down and you chronically smoke this shit, yeah, of course you will be down. as with any other psychoactive drug. you use too much too often, you'll break down bad.

I disagree with the use of any drug as a final solution to escape from reality.

No dude, I am just not going to get in a retarded argument with someone over the use of drugs.

I do not do drugs
I do not take drugs
I do not drink

Your opinion is clearly different than mine and therefore, there is no use arguing it. You are not going to convince me that smoking pot is good anymore than I am going to convince you that smoking pot is bad.

And gee, I am really sorry that I did not have the time to quote and argue every aspect of your response nor do I care how many people you think are agreeing with you. Half of the fucking country can agree with you, that does not mean you are right or that I should jump on board.

I am also not going to sit here and defend what University degrees I have compared to you or how well versed I am on the subject and see who comes out on top on a subject, that in my mind is over-promoted and over-valued.

yeah, we have different opinions, and our values are most definitely different, but when it comes to the subject of "drugs" your opinion is biased. and mine is not. that is where the difference is.

as i see it, you are spreading information that is generally untrue, in a health forum. that is what i am against.

yes, you are obviously not a "drug" user, and even the way you throw the word drug around, i can tell you are very conservative when it comes to "drugs".

lol don't tell me you don't drink coffee or tea. coffee is the most traded agricultural product and therefore the biggest drug market on this planet. if you dont see caffeine as a drug. I will stop arguing with you right here right now, because your views are far too skewed for anyone to have a logical debate with.

as far as im concerned, the only people that don't use drugs are Mormons.

I like how you end your argument with "lol"
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lol.

[dinosaur]

yeah, we have different opinions, and our values are most definitely different, but when it comes to the subject of "drugs" your opinion is biased. and mine is not. that is where the difference is.

as i see it, you are spreading information that is generally untrue, in a health forum. that is what i am against.

yes, you are obviously not a "drug" user, and even the way you throw the word drug around, i can tell you are very conservative when it comes to "drugs".

lol don't tell me you don't drink coffee or tea. coffee is the most traded agricultural product and therefore the biggest drug market on this planet. if you dont see caffeine as a drug. I will stop arguing with you right here right now, because your views are far too skewed for anyone to have a logical debate with.

as far as im concerned, the only people that don't use drugs are Mormons.



lol.

Actually, I WILL tell you that I don't drink coffee and tea. I also don't drink coke, pepsi, barq's rootbeer, redbull, mountain dew, or any other liquid that has caffeine in it. And no, I am not Mormon. Instead of assuming that I am a moron and do not know what I am talking about, maybe you should ask me these questions.

How do you know my views are skewed?
What information am I "spreading around" that is "generally untrue"?

As a matter of fact, I use to smoke pot. Lots. I have friends that are avid users. I also know, personally, what it is like to smoke pot and suffer a little from SAD. Do you?

Honestly, I am a little concerned about the "generally untrue" information you are "spreading around", seeing as you do not, nor have ever dealt with SAD....especially, in a Health and Wellness forum.

"lol"

[Psykopathik]

Get some full spectrum lights in your house. You'll feel better

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Actually, I WILL tell you that I don't drink coffee and tea. I also don't drink coke, pepsi, barq's rootbeer, redbull, mountain dew, or any other liquid that has caffeine in it. And no, I am not Mormon. Instead of assuming that I am a moron and do not know what I am talking about, maybe you should ask me these questions.

How do you know my views are skewed?
What information am I "spreading around" that is "generally untrue"?

As a matter of fact, I use to smoke pot. Lots. I have friends that are avid users. I also know, personally, what it is like to smoke pot and suffer a little from SAD. Do you?

Honestly, I am a little concerned about the "generally untrue" information you are "spreading around", seeing as you do not, nor have ever dealt with SAD....especially, in a Health and Wellness forum.

"lol"

how do you know i havent dealt with sad? how do you know i have dealt with sad, but dont suffer from it anymore?

one of the major treatments for sad is cognitive behavioural therapy (changing the way you think), THEREFORE, it is mainly your mindset. mind over matter.

SAD isnt some neurological disease that cant be fought off with willpower like multiplescelrosis or some shit.

and you just stated that you smoked "lots" of pot. which is the exact opposite of what i recommended.

you havent been reading what i've been saying. chronic or "lots" of pot doesnt help.

chronic use is any habitual use within a recent period of time.
chronic use of pot will lead to depression. that is a fact.
pot could help someone, that uses it properly, and ISNT a habitual user.

ex. if you were a habitual user and smoked a lot. then stopped for a week or whatever, then had a few puffs to fix sad, that is still habitual use. marijuana stays in the body for up to 90 days. that's 3 months.

so your experience of pot, is of a habitual and recreational one. not a medical one. your experience with pot is invalid in this argument.


so you bring out your surprise, now it's my turn

i did suffer from sad. but then i thought to myself, this is a retarded excuse to tell myself why im feeling bad. am i really gonna let when the sun rises and when it suns dictate how i feel for the rest of my life? am i really gonna bitch to everyone and say i feel like shit cuz there's no sun? am i gonna be a little bitch and whine about the fact that i cant control the sun? LOL c'mon.

so i embraced the night. i changed the way i thought, i used cognitive behavioural therapy on myself (yes you don't need to be a psychologist to do this). and now im a night owl. i do everything better at night.

whatddya have to say now?

plus i said many times in rebuttle to skinnypupps responses that not everyone is the same.

the untrue comments you are spreading, like i said before, is your own experience.

if you were a little more specific in your original post, and said something like "it personally doesnt work for me"
then i would have left it.

but you are shoving it down everyone's throat that it's absolutely bad for everyone. that no one should try it.

where as i am saying, if you've never tried it, a few puffs could help. but if it doesnt, then dont do it after.

im going to reinforce this again, you're saying: don't try, it's bad no matter what.

im saying: try it, if it helps okay, if it doesnt, then now you know.


I'll read whatever you have to say later, cuz it's night time. instead of staying at home and being sad about how it's dark. im going to go out and utilize this darkness. cuz that's when the party animals and sluts come out. party till the sun rises, cya then sunshine.

http://www.drawinghowtodraw.com/stepbystepdrawinglessons/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/325x325-little-miss-sunshine.png

[Excelsis]

i never smoked :fuckthatshit:

[dinosaur]

how do you know i havent dealt with sad? how do you know i have dealt with sad, but dont suffer from it anymore?



.....

I'm a nightowl naturally, so i don't miss sunlight at all. nor do i crave it.






SAD isnt some neurological disease that cant be fought off with willpower like multiplescelrosis or some shit.



Never said it was.



and you just stated that you smoked "lots" of pot. which is the exact opposite of what i recommended.

you havent been reading what i've been saying. chronic or "lots" of pot doesnt help.

chronic use is any habitual use within a recent period of time.
chronic use of pot will lead to depression. that is a fact.
pot could help someone, that uses it properly, and ISNT a habitual user.



Okay...since we are picking apart my post, which I seem to remember someone getting annoyed by....

By "lots", I specifically meant I have smoked it a lot of times. Not in a short time span which, in your words, would be classified as "chronic use", but over about 7-8 years, not daily...sometimes weekly...or monthly.

I never used it to "treat" anything or self-medicate.

But thank you for your recommendations, which clearly come from, what I am assuming, is a medical background in the use of marijuana. One could assume with all the "medical" advice regarding "dosage" that this would be the case...



so you bring out your surprise, now it's my turn



Oh honey, that was not meant to be a surprise. Simply putting out there that some of us grow out of the drinking and drug phase of our lives. So, yes, I am aware that "not everyone is the same".




im going to reinforce this again, you're saying: don't try, it's bad no matter what.


Yes, that is what I am saying....Much like you are saying:


try it, if it helps okay, if it doesnt, then now you know.



What is the difference?

cya then sunshine.

http://www.drawinghowtodraw.com/stepbystepdrawinglessons/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/325x325-little-miss-sunshine.png

I'm not going to lie - that made me giggle :)

Anyways, I say "no", you say "yes". Together we make a shitty Saturday night date.

[Meowjin]

I did not want this thread to turn into this.

[dinosaur]

Truth.

Anyways, it is nice that the weather has been great the last few days and the forcast is for more sun.

Yes, it is still lame that the sun rises late and sets early, but at least the days are nice.

For some reason, I don't fine Dec as bad as Nov. Maybe my body just takes time to adjust.

Anyone feel a little better after Nov? Maybe Dec is easier b/c there are more things going on...or that the first day of winter is closer?

Keep positive! :)
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[Onassis]

Hmm I find that keeping a salt water tank helps but it might just be the lights.

[froese]

i find exercise helps a ton!

[xPhuong]

.....

No dude, I am just not going to get in a retarded argument with someone over the use of drugs.

Actually, I WILL tell you that I don't drink coffee and tea. I also don't drink coke, pepsi, barq's rootbeer, redbull, mountain dew, or any other liquid that has caffeine in it. And no, I am not Mormon. Instead of assuming that I am a moron and do not know what I am talking about, maybe you should ask me these questions.




I find it fairly hard to follow your argument logic although I'm not here to raise more conflict but your mindset has somewhat been illogical.

It seems every time you reply with your opinion you leave information out that would be vital for debate.

Instead you describe smoking weed on several occasions as "lots". How can someone have a logical debate if you suddenly change your opinion so quickly.

As well, you call it a retarded argument?

I'm not promoting / discouraging the use of weed.

But if your going to be in the Health & Wellness Area I'd say you should be more open to other people's ideas.

People can throw around SSRI's as depressant drugs but I don't see you having a bias against Street Legal Drugs that do that much further harm than weed. What about that?

And I highly doubt that you can say you don't have some sort of caffeine drink once a year. If you don't good for you.

Also i've noticed in several of your posts you have stated an attitude where "Unless you have a medical background" that you shouldn't be throwing up the idea of Marijuana.

Well what's your background. Why should I believe in your opinion that Marijuana is a depressant? You throw me a website from drugfree.org
Looking at their supporters it shows Abbott pharmaceuticals, CIGNA, Metlife Foundation, King Pharmaceuticals, Pfizer Consumer Healthcare.
Clearly this website is biased in the fact that it's sponsored by all these drug manufacturing companies.

If your going to provide information at least make sure it comes from an unbiased article. IMO.

[Alphamale]

I find it fairly hard to follow your argument logic although I'm not here to raise more conflict but your mindset has somewhat been illogical.

It seems every time you reply with your opinion you leave information out that would be vital for debate.

Instead you describe smoking weed on several occasions as "lots". How can someone have a logical debate if you suddenly change your opinion so quickly.

As well, you call it a retarded argument?

I'm not promoting / discouraging the use of weed.

But if your going to be in the Health & Wellness Area I'd say you should be more open to other people's ideas.

People can throw around SSRI's as depressant drugs but I don't see you having a bias against Street Legal Drugs that do that much further harm than weed. What about that?

And I highly doubt that you can say you don't have some sort of caffeine drink once a year. If you don't good for you.

Also i've noticed in several of your posts you have stated an attitude where "Unless you have a medical background" that you shouldn't be throwing up the idea of Marijuana.

Well what's your background. Why should I believe in your opinion that Marijuana is a depressant? You throw me a website from drugfree.org
Looking at their supporters it shows Abbott pharmaceuticals, CIGNA, Metlife Foundation, King Pharmaceuticals, Pfizer Consumer Healthcare.
Clearly this website is biased in the fact that it's sponsored by all these drug manufacturing companies.

If your going to provide information at least make sure it comes from an unbiased article. IMO.

You're arguing with a woman.

You can't win with logic.

[bcrdukes]

Start a new thread. This one is locked. Alphamale gets the last word.

[!Yaminashi]

Alphamale gets the last word.

O RLY? :hotbaby:

[bcrdukes]

Thread re-opened as per request.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

Hmm I find that keeping a salt water tank helps but it might just be the lights.

it's probably the full spectrum lights in the tanks.
maybe i'm fine too cuz i have full spectrum lights for my exotic plants (no, they're not marijuana plants lol).

Thread re-opened as per request.
:ilied:

[dinosaur]

(no, they're not marijuana plants lol).


Suuuuuuure!! haha j/k :)

I have never used the lights (Light Therapy with Daylight optimal features light therapy treatment (http://www.day-lights.com/product/index.html)) you buy do cope with SAD, but I know a couple people that have. They say they have helped, but nothing helps better than sitting in the sun!

Plus, I'd feel a little like a moth.

But if they work, then great!

Are they the same lights as aquarium/terrarium lights? I'd much rather have a nice fish tank to look at...

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

there's a bunch of different kinds of aquarium/terrarium lights depending on what plants you want to grow. I used full spectrum in my old tanks, and full spectrum now for my plants.

some people use certain spectrums to deter algae growth.

Full-spectrum light - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_light)

Full-spectrum Lighting - Projects - NRC-CNRC (http://www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/projects/irc/full-spectrum-lighting.html)

you have to read the labels and be specific to as what spectrum/kelvin the lights put out.

[Meowjin]

Glad this thread is re-opened.

Personally, I'll avoid the weed, but the light therapy is awesome.

[jack3d]

Novembers def the worst.. atleast december theres christmas and new years. I've found doing cardio or anything that releases endorphins helps alot.. surround yourself with people and the most important one I know is keep your sleeping schedule right. Get up at 10, sleep by 12

[Excelsis]

^ LOL, more like

go to sleep at 11, wake up at 6-7

sleeping a long time makes you lazy, if i sleep in my day is ruined

[dlo]

my bday is in november :alone: