[Timpo]

:fuckyea:
Ford Vehicle Engineering Manager thinks that NSX-R has best shifter feel in the world.

Ford GT Driven on Big Willow - Best Motoring International - YouTube

So both McLaren F1 and Ford GT used NSX as benchmark. :fuckyea:

[EndLeSS8]

The video said that the overall main car that the Ford GT took data from was the 360 Modena.

[dangonay]

Thank God they didn't get inspiration from the NSX's engine, otherwise the GT would have been underpowered.

[optiblue]

Nice~ haven't tried the NSX shifter before, but now I want to!
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[Timpo]

The video said that the overall main car that the Ford GT took data from was the 360 Modena.

OWNED

[Timpo]

Thank God they didn't get inspiration from the NSX's engine, otherwise the GT would have been underpowered.

??? :confused:

What are you talking about? The Ford GT does not have a VTEC...

[FRStan]

??? :confused:

What are you talking about? The Ford GT does not have a VTEC...

What are you smoking...?
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[Redlines_Daily]

this thread makes my head hurt

[AstulzerRZD]

What are you smoking...?
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It's supercharger means it has R-VTEC (Reversed VTEC) - Boost on the low end :fuckyea:

[GabAlmighty]

I love these threads

[Ludepower]

seems like every car benchmarks the NSX. I bet it's true but it's getting cheesy hearing it all the time.

[68style]

This Ford engineer needs better product knowledge training -- he says the newer Ford GT is the first midship engine car Ford has built since the original GT-40? What about the Ford RS200?

[Dc2R_K20R]

There nothing cheesy about that, the nsx was an engineering masterpiece. Honda engines powered the McLarens that had dominated Formula One few years before the lunch of the nsx, they also had developmental input from Ayrton Senna.

Engineers all around the world loved it, Gordon Murray benchmarked the NSX during McLaren F1 development, while Ferrari scurried back to the drawing board and transformed the 348 into the F355 as a direct consequence of the Honda’s brilliance.

Gordon Murray, Being a fan of Honda engines, quoted " I later went to Honda's Tochigi Research Center on two occasions and requested that they consider building for the McLaren F1 a 4.5 litre V12 or V14. I asked, I tried to persuade them, but in the end could not convince them to do it, and the McLaren F1 ended up equipped with a BMW engine."

Ken Okuyama who was supervising the design of the Enzo Ferrari was back in the days the chief designer for the nsx..

Mr. Gato (Head of Honda V10 and V12 F1 Engine Program between 1988 to 1992 ) went to work to ferrari afterward and Mr. Gato at some point called Mr. Uehara and joked Ferrari might as well put a Honda-badge on their engines

its all those facts that make me understand why the nsx/honda is/was the benchmark in motorsports.

[twitchyzero]

i believed it when they said the F1 was benchmarked with the NSX
but this sounds bullshit
GT40 was designed when the NSX team were still in diapers.
not quite but you get the point.

[flagella]

Definitely wanna drive an NSX some day. I have yet to find a car that I enjoy shifting as much as I do in s2k.

[Volvo-brickster]

every time i think Ford GT i think of this

older video but still good

Twin Turbo Ford GT Supercar - IMV Films - YouTube

[Timpo]

i believed it when they said the F1 was benchmarked with the NSX
but this sounds bullshit
GT40 was designed when the NSX team were still in diapers.
not quite but you get the point.he was talking about Ford GT, not GT40.

Do you even know the difference? :suspicious:

[dangonay]

he was talking about Ford GT, not GT40.

Do you even know the difference? :suspicious:
Owned by Timpo. Priceless.

[JoshuaWong]

The NSX is not underpowered

Its under rated. Pun intended

Its one of the greatest car people never lusted after.

[twitchyzero]

he was talking about Ford GT, not GT40.

Do you even know the difference? :suspicious:

it's pretty much a modernized road version of the same car.


Owned by Timpo. Priceless.

YTMND - TIMPO (http://timpo.ytmnd.com/)

[Great68]

it's pretty much a modernized road version of the same car.


Other than the general look and shape and drivetrain layout, there's not much in common between the two.

[ruthless]

every time i think Ford GT i think of this

older video but still good

Twin Turbo Ford GT Supercar - IMV Films - YouTube (http://youtu.be/7kgK2DlEhZw)

every time i think Ford GT i think of this...fuckn crazies
Cops Chase Ford GT - YouTube

[Phil@rise]

I love how 20 years later people still gripe how the NSX was underpowered and most of those have never driven one lol.
Yes they were underpowered in regards to most if not all supercars of the time but they were not building a supercar. Thats like saying the 300zx, GTR's or Supra of the time were supercars no they were competition and Honda killed em by applying supercar aerodynamics geometry and engineering into a HONDA lol

[Muskys SS]

The NSX is not underpowered

Its under rated. Pun intended

Its one of the greatest car people never lusted after.

The NSX is way underpowered. Stock early production NSX's only put down 210rwhp on our dyno. We have a fully built NSX in the shop right now with a 67mm turbo setup which makes double the power at low boost and close to triple at high boost. They are a completely different beast with more power under the bonnet:thumbsup:

[Timpo]

it's pretty much a modernized road version of the same car.
No it's not.

You're absolutely clueless about these two cars... just beause they look similar, or similary named, does not mean one is modernized version of the other.

[Timpo]

Other than the general look and shape and drivetrain layout, there's not much in common between the two.

this.

[Timpo]

Sorry, Ford, I have to ask for my money back

By Jeremy Clarkson of The Sunday Times

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Thirty-five years ago I promised myself that one day I’d own a Ford GT40, the blue-collar supercar that took an axle grinder to Ferrari’s aristocratic halo at Le Mans. But 25 years ago my dreams were dashed as I grew too tall to fit inside.

Happily, in 2002 Ford announced that it was to build a modern-day version of the old racer. It would, they said, cost less than £100,000 and do more than 200mph. They also said it would be much bigger than the original so pylon-people like me would be able to drive it.

And so, two years ago, having tested a prototype in America, I placed an order for one of the 28 that were coming to Britain.

As the months groaned by there were rumours of big price increases, insatiable thirst and catastrophic suspension failure. But there were also rumours of the supercharged V8 pumping out 550bhp and a mountain of torque so massive it was breaking the testing equipment. So I didn’t mind.

I didn’t even mind when it arrived at my house one month ago inside a truck which had “On Time” written down the side. As we know from America’s arrival into the second world war, their concept of “on time” differs slightly from ours.

And anyway, it looked so gorgeous, a mass of bulging muscle struggling to contain that massive 5.4 litre supercharged heart. It doesn’t look like a GT40 but it looks like a GT40 looks in your head. And it’s huge. Longer than a Volvo XC90 and as wide as a Hummer.

Which is why, on its first run, to London, it was like a blue and white Pied Piper trailing a stream of ratty hatches in its wake. Everyone was taking pictures, waving, giving me the thumb’s up. Never, not once in 15 years of road testing cars, had anything drawn such a massive crowd. And never had the crowd been so overtly supportive.

Of course you can’t run a car like this without a few problems rearing their head from time to time. It’s too wide for the width restrictions on Hammersmith bridge — backing up earned me a slot on the traffic news that morning. The turning circle means every mini roundabout becomes a three-point turn, and at oblique junctions, as is the case in a Ferrari Enzo, you absolutely cannot see if anything’s coming.

But set against this is a surprisingly quiet and civilised ride. It’s like a power station. Silent, as it gets on with the job of brightening up your life.

Mind you, you are constantly aware of the Herculean power that nestles just over your right shoulder. Partly because you can see the supercharger belt whirring away in the rear-view mirror and partly because it makes a deep, dog-baiting rumble when you do put your foot down.

Ford asked that I keep the revs below 4000 for the first thousand miles. But since 100mph equates to 1900rpm it’s not really a hardship. And at this speed you’re doing 15mpg, which isn’t bad at all. But three days later everything started to go very, very wrong.

Leaving the Top Gear studio, the immobiliser refused to un-immobilise itself. So the car was pushed into the hangar and I went home instead in a rented Toyota Corolla.

Ford sent a tow truck, changed the immobiliser and delivered the car to my house the following day. “Is it fixed?” I asked. “Yes,” they said.

It wasn’t. At three in the morning the alarm blew. And then again at four. This meant my wife started to refer to it as “that f****** car”, which took away a bit of the sheen, if I’m honest.

The next day, on the way back to the garage, I received a call on the hands-free phone from the tracker company. “Your car’s been stolen, sir,” said the man. “I’m sure it hasn’t,” I said, “because I’m in it.”

Fearing that I might be the burglar, the man asked if I could give him my password. Tricky one that, since I have a different password for everything on the internet and can never remember any of them. And that’s a big problem, because the man at the end of the phone has the power to remotely shut down the engine.

I threatened him, lightly, with some physical harm, but this didn’t work so I had to guess. “Aardvark,” I ventured. “Abacus, Aesop, additional . . .”

Eventually he took pity and I was able to deliver the car back to Ford with some stern warnings about the alarm, the immobiliser and the tracker system, all of which seemed to be malfunctioning. As a courtesy car they gave me a Ford Focus, with a diesel engine. Nice.

Two days later the GT was back. “Is it fixed?” I asked, again. “Yes,” they said

Five minutes out of the Ford garage I received a text to say my car had been stolen. And then, in the next half hour, three more. So, counting the two I’d received before I was even out of bed, that meant my car had been stolen five times before 9am.

This time I rang Ford and explained that I would personally come over there and insert the whole car up the chairman’s backside if it wasn’t fixed. And while I was on the phone a yellow warning light came on the dash.

“There’s a yellow warning light on the dash,” I bellowed, like Michael Winner, only angrier. “Oh, that’ll be something to do with the engine management system,” said the man with the bleeding ears. “You’ll need to get it looked at . . .”

When Ford gave me the car back after its third hospital trip in as many weeks, I didn’t ask if the security system was fixed. Because the notion of it still being broken was simply inconceivable.

So imagine my surprise when, one hour later, while at my daughter’s school play, I heard a familiar siren. I couldn’t believe it. The alarm had gone off again.

In a fury this time, I called Ford and explained, loudly, that Roush, the company charged with servicing and maintaining the 28 GTs in Britain, was plainly incompetent. And that there was simply no point asking it to fix the alarm again because it’d had three goes already.

I then did something the man at Ford wasn’t expecting. I asked for my money back.

And that, the next day, is what happened.

They put £126,000 in my account and sent a man to pick up the car. “Is it the alarm system?” he said. “They all do that.”

So there we are. A 35-year dream. A two-year wait. Ten years of damn hard work. And what do I get? The most miserable month’s motoring it is possible to imagine.

Strangely, however, as the GT rumbled down my drive for the last time, I felt like Julie Walters watching Michael Caine getting on the plane at the end of Educating Rita. I actually cried.

There’s a very good reason for this. I genuinely believe that some machines have a soul and I can’t bear to think of my Ford sitting in a warehouse now, unloved and unwanted. It is fine. It is perfect. It knows it’s a great, great car that was ruined by a useless ape who fitted a crummy aftermarket alarm system.

Ford has said I can buy the car back any time. It has even lent me an Aston Martin DB9 while I make up my mind. I don’t know though. I just don’t know.

Normally I finish these columns with an opinion of mine. But this time it’s the other way round. I’d love to hear yours.

One thing: I know I could sell the car privately and make a £50,000 profit. But I have never profited from my position as a motoring journalist. And I never will.

[asahai69]

what the fuck is the point of this? :seriously:

[dangonay]

Tinpot reposting old shit again. The problems were caused by an aftermarket alarm, not the car itself.

LOL, just noticed my iPhone's spell check changed Timpo to Tinpot. Maybe I should just refer to him as Tinpot - it sounds better.
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[Redlines_Daily]

^whats funny is I actually read it has "Timpo" not tinpot :D