[RRxtar]

.... 300 grams of table sugar, 200 grams of whey, 100 grams of cooling oil. and a good multi vitamin. every day?


why is that the same, or worse, or better...


than eating 300 grams of brown rice, 200 grams (protein) of chicken, and appropriate unsaturated and saturated fats.




discuss.

[Berzerker]

I guess this also follows the same question on meal replacement drinks or subsistuting protein shakes instead of meals.

Berz out.
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[Durrann]

Interesting topic
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[hal0g0dv2]

Waiting for skinny to answer
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[SkinnyPupp]

:pokerface:

[jimzilla]

:suspicious:

[Excelsis]

not sure if srs... but if you are

sugar is simple carbs, brown rice is slow digesting carbs

you can't rely on protein shakes for protein since you need fiber from food, but if you're getting enough vitamins and fiber from other food then i don't know lol

too many unnecessary are bad when taken in high amounts since cholesterol levels will be high and you're going to feel like shit :fuckthatshit:

[strykn]

ooo rxxtarr u gon start up a shit storm

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/inp1.gif

http://i.imgur.com/JdpYT.gif

[RRxtar]

i am srs. this is about as divided of a nutrition topic as any.


i want to see sources for arguments, not hearsay or opinions or 'guy on some forum said'.

[strykn]

if i eat high sugar diet i put on fat fast and impossible to cut sooo i dunno maybe everybody is different

[Fcukedd]

Good topic. People have always said to rely on real foods rather than processed, but never provided a reason.

Interested :suspicious:

[ShadowBun]

interested. gonna keep this tab open

[dlo]

rr, did u post this anywhere else? i want answers too lol, this should be good
inb4taylor call everyone retarded, or uneducated cunts

[RRxtar]

Ill just say now I am by no means an expert on the subject, Im simply trying to learn things myself. And unfortunately I dont have the memory to remember all the things I read and see so relaying my learnings will lack specific detail.

There have been A TON of write ups lately and comments from people all over the internet on how all carbs break down into sugar the same as each-other causing the same amount of bodyfat regardless of where they come from, and there is no difference between eating oats/brownrice/whole grains and drinking a can of pop or eating table sugar.

Carbs all break down into glucose to some degree. Glucose is the fuel for all life on earth from cells and bacteria to humans. Glucose is mostly used up by your body before it hits your liver.

Table sugar is Surcose which is glucose-fructose and the sugar in a can of pop is not glucose, it is HFCS (we have all heard of High Fructose Corn Sirup). Fructose is NOT burned by the body, it goes directly to your liver for processing. quiz: what do we call things that go straight to your liver without any prior processing? answer: poison


Here is what happens when you eat 2 slices of white bread roughly 120 calories vs a sugar sweetened drink (fruit juice, gatorade, coke, etc) which is also worth roughly 120 calories.

Glucose:
-80% of the glucose will be used by the body.
-About 20% of the glucose will hit the liver and get stored as glycogen (for future physical activity).
-A very small fraction of the glucose will be made into ATP which, if not burned, will go through a number of biochemical processes, turning into citrate, and may be stored as fat.

Sugar:
-60 calories from glucose will break down similarly to the white bread (48 calories to the body, 12 calories to the liver to be stored as glycogen). (not important)

-60 calories from fructose will all go to the liver.
-In total, 72 calories reaching the liver will need to be phosphoralated (turned into energy–ATP–adenosine tri phosphate). That is a lot–three times the amount, when compared to white bread.
-You lose a lot of phosphate in this process, and so the body provides a rescue molecule, and the end waste product from the metabolism of these calories is uric acid (which causes gout and hypertension, among other things).
-Uric acid blocks the your body’s chemical–endothelial nitric oxide synthase–for maintaining low blood pressure.
-Citrate, again, arises from the metabolism of all these calories, which promotes fat retention, dyslipidemia, VLDL, and high blood triglycerides.
-When its all said and done 30% of it will end up as fat.


Here is a long video on why glucose and fructose ARE NOT THE SAME and how your body deals with each one. Its a lot to handle, especially the middle part, but you can pull some good points out of it. I hope at least someone watches.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth - YouTube




in the end, a calorie is not a calorie regardless of where it comes from, and not all carbs and sugars are equal.

[RRxtar]

This video explains a little more about the part in the previous video where Dr Lustig explains why we went from high fat to high carb foods.

It also explains why carbs are going to kill you.


Big Fat Fiasco pt. 1 - YouTube

skinnypupp first posted this a year ago. there are I think 5 parts to it

[RRxtar]

rr, did u post this anywhere else? i want answers too lol, this should be good
inb4taylor call everyone retarded, or uneducated cunts

I made the thread after reading another thread on another forum that was about 4 pages of broscience.

[SkinnyPupp]

Glad to see it's catching on :)

It will change your life. I think halo can attest to it too
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[RRxtar]

ok. you guys are in luck. i was looking around more at this topic this morning and i found a summary video on that 90 minute video. this video is 11 minutes long, and explains simply what happens when glucose enters your body vs what happens when fructose enters your body.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth (The SHORT Version) - YouTube

everyone can handle this video. and even if you dont care, its worth the watch just for some knowledge.

[jas_daddy]

read this link as it relates specifically to that video:

The bitter truth about fructose alarmism. | Alan Aragon's Blog (http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/)

here's a follow up to the original article with Dr. Lustig defending his claims with the author:

A retrospective of the fructose alarmism debate. | Alan Aragon's Blog (http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/)

Browse the nutrition section of bodybuilding.com. He's a mod over there and does his part in dispelling the bro-science

[jack3d]

the sugar will spike your insulin. also too much sugar gives me acne :okay:

[jack3d]

ok. you guys are in luck. i was looking around more at this topic this morning and i found a summary video on that 90 minute video. this video is 11 minutes long, and explains simply what happens when glucose enters your body vs what happens when fructose enters your body.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth (The SHORT Version) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKEncojQ&feature=fvwrel)

everyone can handle this video. and even if you dont care, its worth the watch just for some knowledge.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/mind%20blown/grand/18745365-mind-blown-.gif

[RRxtar]

https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/index.xml?section

A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.

In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.

[taylorswift13]

Is it healthy to not intake any sources of food where carbs is the main nutrient?

Right now my bulking diet consists of 7 small meals a day: 3 protein shakes (800 calories each, due to 3 tsp olive oil + 3 tsp natural peanut butter), 2 steaks and veggie meals, and 2 chicken and veggie meals..

trying to bulk but not have unnecessary carbs bloat up my face and belly.. and yes I do HIIT (bench, squat, deadlifts - heavy with minimal rest in between sets)

[Excelsis]

if you're not getting enough carbs when you're bulking you're not going to get big, period

and if you're doing HIIT that will burrow energy from your muscles if you don't have enough carbs..
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[jas_daddy]

https://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/index.xml?section

A Princeton University research team has demonstrated that all sweeteners are not equal when it comes to weight gain: Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.

In addition to causing significant weight gain in lab animals, long-term consumption of high-fructose corn syrup also led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides. The researchers say the work sheds light on the factors contributing to obesity trends in the United States.

Humans are not rats. Plus there are a lot of inconsistencies in the results of that study that the researchers failed to explain. Here's a link to a breakdown of the study

Is High Fructose Corn Syrup Worse Than Regular Sugar? » Weightology Weekly (http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=19)

[RRxtar]

Humans are not rats. Plus there are a lot of inconsistencies in the results of that study that the researchers failed to explain. Here's a link to a breakdown of the study

Is High Fructose Corn Syrup Worse Than Regular Sugar? » Weightology Weekly (http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=19)
in that article at the bottom he essentially says "this test doesn't hold all the answers. HFCS may not be that much worse than sucrose, but you should still attempt to avoid sugars and refined carbs as much as possible"

also some of the comments and references in them are pretty good. for both arguments.

who knows, in 50 years we might learn that HFCS is absolutely 100% the cause of obesity and a huge cause of cancer. or we may find out that it really isnt.

what i do know is ive seen a lot more solid independent research pointing towards HFCS and sugars being absolutely terrible for us, and most of the counter arguments are trying to disprove the research, but rarely pointing towards sugars being good for us. and very little research going the other way.

like, heres all of the facts about this subject and why "we think thes facts mean A". you read more people arguing and reaching about minute points than you read people saying "these facts don't mean A, they mean B"

at the end of the day, nothing that any of us read or watch or hear should be taken as absolute fact but instead should be used as information to form our own opinions.

[jas_daddy]

I hear ya... I try to avoid it as much as possible, but I also don't feel guilty having a can of coke every now and then... moderation is key