[niu99]

Mainland Chinese Televsion: Hongkonger are dogs


Peking University professor Kong Qing-Dong's response to Hong Kong MTR incident .


See, this is example of how the communist party brainwash its countrymen. in order to reign control over the people.

[akalic]

http://troll.me/images/socially-awkward-penguin/cant-understand-shit-still-watches-the-entire-video-and-posts-a-smiley-face-just-to-blend-in.jpg

:)

[fishCak3s]

wow, it's beyond me that there are still people thinking this way at today's day n age

[rawr]

Doesn't really bother me. I think the same about rude Mainlanders.

[El Bastardo]

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

[ShadowBun]

we al chinese
lets be happy

:troll:

[jackmeister]

and what do hongers think of mainlanders?

[trancehead]

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

agreed, but at the same time
the player at the top is of course devising this game
quite the paradox

[sindragon]

guy needs to be shot, all in favour? I

[Anjew]

wow, so embarrassing.

[Datsun]

I dont take mainland China seriously anyway, doesnt bother me.

[TOPEC]

wheres the video they were talking abt eating in the mtr?

[El Bastardo]

Whats the MTR?

[yray]

^^Kinda like our skytrain except with 50x more people

Looks like we will have another D&G case in HK.

[LenovoTurbo]

Hongers or mainlanders doesn't matter, it's all about the lgs :fullofwin:

[SkinnyPupp]

It's funny that I came across this video just moments after seeing a mainland mom have her son pee into a plastic bag, tie it up and throw it in the garbage, much like you would do with A DOG. this is in a mall btw, not outside
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[dlo]

Wtf skinny, really? :facepalm: I do that shit when I'm high as fuck and can't hold my pee literally, like at the brink of peeing in my pants and my bladder is exploding
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[DanHibiki]

I wanna take his class

[twitchyzero]

coles on the background story about the kid eating in the MTR?

[PiuYi]

can any mandarin speaker tell me why mandarin speakers (especially older men) like to finish each sentence with "ha"? like "blah blah blah blah blah. ha."

its always bugged me cuz sounds like the person is forcing you to agree with them, but its like almost everybody does this!!!

[yray]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MhRHurNehc

[El Bastardo]

Why is it an issue to eat on the MTR? I see people put food into (and sometimes let used food come out of) their mouths on the Skytrain all the time

[Razor Ramon HG]

What does the video above say?

[SkinnyPupp]

One of my most popular youtube videos was of this mainland guy eating chicken on the mtr. He sat on the floor and ate it with his hands right out of his backpack. He would wipe his greasy fingers all over his jacket, it was quite a shocking video. I don't think DOGS even eat like that. It had like 500k hits but unfortunately I lost the account after I posted a 30 second clip from top gear, so it's gone
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[SkinnyPupp]

I am also reminded of another incident my friend told me about. He was jogging along the beach at repulse bay in the morning, and saw a mainland person squatting right in the middle of the beach taking a dump. Unlike DOGS, he didn't even bother to bury it, and had nobody to clean up after him
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[TOPEC]

for those of u that dont understand chinese and wants to know what is happening

Mainland Scholar: Many Hongkonger are Dogs | Dictionary of Politically Incorrect Hong Kong Cantonese (http://badcanto.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/mainland-scholar-many-hongkonger-are-dogs/)

mainlanders r getting people to boycott hongkong by not visiting them, which in return makes hongkongers very happy, some comments from hongkongers include "dont come here n give birth anymore" (mainlanders love to go to hongkong to give birth because 1 the kid gets hk id, 2 hk medical practices r wayyy more advanced than in mainland), "dont buy milk powder from hk anymore, their child wont survive past 3" (mainlanders go hk and buy out all of the milk powder stock because chinese made milk powder contains substances that causes defects and big head) and a lot more funny comments

[TRD Rs200]

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2012-01-15

[El Bastardo]

When you post non-English videos could you guys please post some context to go along with it? As far as I can tell, someone is upset because they didn't get a pretty enough birthday card for their birthday

[parallax]

that MTR incident itself is dumb as hell. some kid was eating on the train, probably doesnt know better, and a bunch of ppl go off on the mom? all the mom was saying was she didnt know and that the kid stopped and to not make a big deal out of it, and off these righteous hongers go screaming for justice and saying all mainlanders are the same. even the media narrative is slanted, calling the mainland "bully country".

[FerrariEnzo]

Why is it an issue to eat on the MTR? I see people put food into (and sometimes let used food come out of) their mouths on the Skytrain all the time
eating on the skytrain (MTR in this case) is one thing (i believe theres stickers on the skytrain about no food/drink, not sure) but making a mess and just putting all the crap on the floor is another thing..

secondly, its more of a big feud between HongKong people and mainlanders... which i think is more about what its about.. the food thing is just something to start the fight...



and about that professor, i would like to ask him about why people get killed/attack in china and passerbys just look and do nothing?? like trucks running over little kids while 10+ people just watch it unfold like they are watching a movie...

[yray]

that MTR incident itself is dumb as hell. some kid was eating on the train, probably doesnt know better, and a bunch of ppl go off on the mom? all the mom was saying was she didnt know and that the kid stopped and to not make a big deal out of it, and off these righteous hongers go screaming for justice and saying all mainlanders are the same. even the media narrative is slanted, calling the mainland "bully country".

The rage against mainalanders comes from the fact that they are hogging Hong Kong resources. Imagine people from seattle coming to Vancouver buying up all baby milk powder so that it is impossible for you to buy milk for your baby. Pregnant women rushing the ER to have babies so that they can get a canadian citizenship for their kids and themselves later on while the hospitals are already at max capacity. once they have the citizenship, they can hog subsideized housing and other benefits. People will get angry and pissed off, why do they have to share something that they did not earn in the first place? They are not immigrating they do not contribute to hong kong, many times they still keep their chinese citizenship and their residential accounts.

[parallax]

and about that professor, i would like to ask him about why people get killed/attack in china and passerbys just look and do nothing?? like trucks running over little kids while 10+ people just watch it unfold like they are watching a movie...


its called the bystander effect. the most famous incident took place in the 60s in new york. Murder of Kitty Genovese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese) also, people are sue happy everywhere. not making excuses for these ppl but i can see how it turned out the way it did.

side note, i was in hongkong in 2009 with a bunch of coworkers. we were walking along in the causeway bay shopping district when some asshole in a 5 series ran over my buddy's foot. he was screaming in pain but the guy didnt bother stopping, two of us had to chase the car down for a block. luckily it couldnt go far but everyone saw it, didnt bother helping and avoided us like the plague. assholes everywhere really.

[parallax]

The rage against mainalanders comes from the fact that they are hogging Hong Kong resources. Imagine people from seattle coming to Vancouver buying up all baby milk powder so that it is impossible for you to buy milk for your baby. Pregnant women rushing the ER to have babies so that they can get a canadian citizenship for their kids and themselves later on while the hospitals are already at max capacity. once they have the citizenship, they can hog subsideized housing and other benefits. People will get angry and pissed off, why do they have to share something that they did not earn in the first place? They are not immigrating they do not contribute to hong kong, many times they still keep their chinese citizenship and their residential accounts.

right, but was does this have to do with the mommy and her kid on the mtr? this is as misguided as americans hating on all muslims because of 9/11.

as for the pregnancy thing, thats a policy issue. some people will abuse the system whenever they can. the answer? fix the system.
at the same time i dont see many people complaining about all the money flowing into the local economy from these mainlanders' shopping sprees.

[DanHibiki]

its called the bystander effect. the most famous incident took place in the 60s in new york. Murder of Kitty Genovese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese) also, people are sue happy everywhere. not making excuses for these ppl but i can see how it turned out the way it did.

side note, i was in hongkong in 2009 with a bunch of coworkers. we were walking along in the causeway bay shopping district when some asshole in a 5 series ran over my buddy's foot. he was screaming in pain but the guy didnt bother stopping, two of us had to chase the car down for a block. luckily it couldnt go far but everyone saw it, didnt bother helping and avoided us like the plague. assholes everywhere really.

The murder of Kitty Geneovese was also mentioned in Watchmen.

[Simplex123]

right, but was does this have to do with the mommy and her kid on the mtr? this is as misguided as americans hating on all muslims because of 9/11.

as for the pregnancy thing, thats a policy issue. some people will abuse the system whenever they can. the answer? fix the system.
at the same time i dont see many people complaining about all the money flowing into the local economy from these mainlanders' shopping sprees.
I'm pretty sure if it wasn't a mainlander nobody would've made a big deal out of it lol

A lot of people do actually complain about mainlanders shopping in HK as it has lowered the level of service you receive at stores - especially in large shopping malls (like Time Square - they all greet you in Mando but when they realize you're canto they just kinda ignore you). Sales are so used to mainlanders coming in and just buying a shit load from them that they don't really give you service anymore. I was at many stores in HK the past summer and when I'm just browsing around, the sales are just minding their own business not paying attention to the customers. When I look their way trying to get a size they just stare at me cluelessly. Happened too many times to count.

Also that Beijing prof is a total idiot.

[parallax]

I'm pretty sure if it wasn't a mainlander nobody would've made a big deal out of it lol

this sanctioned hate, both in hk media and on this forum, is pretty disgusting. hongkong people cant pride themselves as more civilized and educated than mainlanders when they encourage such prejudice.



A lot of people do actually complain about mainlanders shopping in HK as it has lowered the level of service you receive at stores - especially in large shopping malls (like Time Square - they all greet you in Mando but when they realize you're canto they just kinda ignore you). Sales are so used to mainlanders coming in and just buying a shit load from them that they don't really give you service anymore. I was at many stores in HK the past summer and when I'm just browsing around, the sales are just minding their own business not paying attention to the customers. When I look their way trying to get a size they just stare at me cluelessly. Happened too many times to count.


so what i'm getting is that local sales people are discriminating against locals? shouldnt the hate be directed towards lazy honger salesmen instead?

[asian_XL]

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[Stormspirit]

I'm pretty sure if it wasn't a mainlander nobody would've made a big deal out of it lol

A lot of people do actually complain about mainlanders shopping in HK as it has lowered the level of service you receive at stores - especially in large shopping malls (like Time Square - they all greet you in Mando but when they realize you're canto they just kinda ignore you). Sales are so used to mainlanders coming in and just buying a shit load from them that they don't really give you service anymore. I was at many stores in HK the past summer and when I'm just browsing around, the sales are just minding their own business not paying attention to the customers. When I look their way trying to get a size they just stare at me cluelessly. Happened too many times to count.

Also that Beijing prof is a total idiot.

I used to work at the Duty Free shop in YVR. Every time I work I see flights to Shanghai, Guangzhou and HK etc .

Shit load of mainlanders going to shanghai/guangzhou buy up to $3k worth of shit . Now this is just alcohol+smokes and sometimes clothing.

And HK people rarely buy past $100 bucks worth of shit. Maybe in the rare occassion there will be some baller HKer and buying alot of wine but thats really it.

So I don't really blame the salesman for ignoring the canto people because its a fact that they don't spend as much as the dailus.

[MisterMu]

Some Hongers are dogs.

[dachinesedude]

HKer's hatred towards mainlanders is undescribable, you seriously if have to live in HK to feel the tension between the two

im a HKer and im not mad that the prof went off like that, we say shit about them all the time, we just do say it on tv cuz if we do, we'll prob have the chinese gov knocking on our doors

and i do think HK is being bullied by mainland, ever since 97, but how can they not be? mainland is a whole fucking country, HK is just a little island in comparison

[friedn00dles]

Went to Hong Kong for the first time ever in my life last June and i was warned about Mainlanders in HK. Rude, pushy, loud and inconsiderate!

Met many HK'ers and everyone was so nice, spoke pretty softly that was tolerable. It was when i visited Ocean Park that i grew a natural hatred towards mainlanders. Loud Annoying Mainlanders everywhere, Within 1 hour visiting the park i wanted out. I was siting having lunch with the girlfriend when a family next to us decides to Toss all their garbage into beautiful garden behind us instead of getting up and walking 4 fuckin steps to the garbage can. My girlfriend didn't let it slide, She went off on them yelling in english even though she speaks both canto/mand. they went fishing over the fence and were made out to look like total asses.

[br2]

i didnt get to go to disney land because the last time i was at hk, they were climbing up the fences and i figured it will be worst once i get in

edit: saw a mainlander girl clipping her nails on the skytrain. white guy sitting next to her was seriously freaked out rofl

[Presto]

Mainlander disdain, and recognition of their primitive mannerisms, is seemingly universal in regions around China. People will take their money, but nobody likes them.

[IMASA]

NIMBY

HK'ers have been doing that to Canadians since the mid 90's and we tolerated it. Tough sh!t.

[Presto]

^^^

I don't think our HK situation was as bad as their Mainlander situation. We weren't dealing with the Asian equivalent of the Beverly Hill Billies.

[Death2Theft]

eh?
can any mandarin speaker tell me why mandarin speakers (especially older men) like to finish each sentence with "ha"? like "blah blah blah blah blah. ha."

its always bugged me cuz sounds like the person is forcing you to agree with them, but its like almost everybody does this!!!

[BrRsn]

It's funny that I came across this video just moments after seeing a mainland mom have her son pee into a plastic bag, tie it up and throw it in the garbage, much like you would do with A DOG. this is in a mall btw, not outside
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Wtf skinny, really? :facepalm: I do that shit when I'm high as fuck and can't hold my pee literally, like at the brink of peeing in my pants and my bladder is exploding
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:fulloffuck: you pee in plastic bags when you're high? man thats fucked up, i bet you'd be funny as shit to get high with though lol.

[StylinRed]

hongers are very racist/prejudice (they hate indians, mainlanders, filipinos, dark skinned chinese people, viets, etc)

and since mainlanders are becoming more and more wealthy and filling up HK, the Hongers cant stand it and are hating on them because hongers are used to being the more wealthy group and they've always looked down at mainlanders as farmers who come to HK to be thugs & prostitutes

so they'll nitpick on every little thing even if hongers do the same things themselves

you can thank the british for instilling a class system in the mind of hongers.. thats why hongers look down at everyone even dark skinned chinese people


granted more mainlanders than hongers, even though they're wealthy now, have a more communal/peasant upbringing than hongers do; so you get actions which seem repulsive to hongers like letting a child who has to go the washroom to just go wherever they're standing but actions like being very loud, inconsiderate, etc are very much inherent to hongers as well but they'll ignore that fact and still dis mainlanders over it


there are "dogs" in both hongers and mainlanders


this really isn't newsworthy at all... you've got hongers making songs about dissing mainlanders, like they did in the late 80s/90s with Viet refugees (there was a really popular song hitting the charts telling viets to go home) even though most of them were ethnically chinese (and spoke it too), and doing all sorts of other shit but it doesn't get its own thread ;)



side note its funny how skinny seems to be offended its like he thinks he's a honger ;)

[GLOW]

side note, i was in hongkong in 2009 with a bunch of coworkers. we were walking along in the causeway bay shopping district when some asshole in a 5 series ran over my buddy's foot. he was screaming in pain but the guy didnt bother stopping, two of us had to chase the car down for a block. luckily it couldnt go far but everyone saw it,

so what did you do when you caught up with him?

[CP.AR]

PLEASE!!!! BOYCOTT HONG KONG.
WHILE YOU ARE AT IT BOYCOTT VANCOUVER TOO!!!

[drunkrussian]

hongers are very racist/prejudice (they hate indians, mainlanders, filipinos, dark skinned chinese people, viets, etc)

and since mainlanders are becoming more and more wealthy and filling up HK, the Hongers cant stand it and are hating on them because hongers are used to being the more wealthy group and they've always looked down at mainlanders as farmers who come to HK to be thugs & prostitutes

so they'll nitpick on every little thing even if hongers do the same things themselves

you can thank the british for instilling a class system in the mind of hongers.. thats why hongers look down at everyone even dark skinned chinese people


granted more mainlanders than hongers, even though they're wealthy now, have a more communal/peasant upbringing than hongers do; so you get actions which seem repulsive to hongers like letting a child who has to go the washroom to just go wherever they're standing but actions like being very loud, inconsiderate, etc are very much inherent to hongers as well but they'll ignore that fact and still dis mainlanders over it


there are "dogs" in both hongers and mainlanders


this really isn't newsworthy at all... you've got hongers making songs about dissing mainlanders, like they did in the late 80s/90s with Viet refugees (there was a really popular song hitting the charts telling viets to go home) even though most of them were ethnically chinese (and spoke it too), and doing all sorts of other shit but it doesn't get its own thread ;)



side note its funny how skinny seems to be offended its like he thinks he's a honger ;)

this is why i dont give a shit and wont favour either side. one side is rude and disgusting while the other is snobby and hateful. how u gonna have your own countrymen ignore u at a store and refuse to serve their own ppl? what kinda pathetic scum is that? tons of amazing hk and mainland ppl but there are also many who are not. this is why i just wont live there and dont take it seriously. great people, great countries, but spoiled by a buncha assholes who are really not nice at all.
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[freakshow]

The rage against mainalanders comes from the fact that they are hogging Hong Kong resources. Imagine people from seattle coming to Vancouver buying up all baby milk powder so that it is impossible for you to buy milk for your baby. Pregnant women rushing the ER to have babies so that they can get a canadian citizenship for their kids and themselves later on while the hospitals are already at max capacity. once they have the citizenship, they can hog subsideized housing and other benefits. People will get angry and pissed off, why do they have to share something that they did not earn in the first place? They are not immigrating they do not contribute to hong kong, many times they still keep their chinese citizenship and their residential accounts. Yeah.. I just can't imagine what it would be like if a ton of people came to Vancouver from another area, not really immigrating, keeping their own citizenship else where, using up our health care and unbalancing certain economies with foreign income..

[achiam]

It's funny that I came across this video just moments after seeing a mainland mom have her son pee into a plastic bag, tie it up and throw it in the garbage, much like you would do with A DOG. this is in a mall btw, not outside
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I saw a worse case. My friends were going to Central, and this Mainlander grandma was holding her baby grandson, he needed to pee, so she took off his diaper and he urinated on the floor with a stream of urine running down the middle of the MTR train.

[achiam]

Yeah.. I just can't imagine what it would be like if a ton of people came to Vancouver from another area, not really immigrating, keeping their own citizenship else where, using up our health care and unbalancing certain economies with foreign income..

But that's what is and will happen. The emerging market country excels, and their 1% flee to safer areas. Same thing happened when Russia exploded from communism -- all their billionaires fled to Switzerland and London and bought up everything. The same is happening with China and HK/Vancouver, and now even London. I talked to a realtor there about a month ago and the majority of London real estate is now being snapped up by wealthy China people. In the end, it's a free market world and money talks. We may hate it having been born in Vancouver (or wherever) and having our way of life being reverse culture shocked, but there's really nothing we can do.

[StylinRed]

But that's what is and will happen. The emerging market country excels, and their 1% flee to safer areas. Same thing happened when Russia exploded from communism -- all their billionaires fled to Switzerland and London and bought up everything. The same is happening with China and HK/Vancouver, and now even London. I talked to a realtor there about a month ago and the majority of London real estate is now being snapped up by wealthy China people. In the end, it's a free market world and money talks. We may hate it having been born in Vancouver (or wherever) and having our way of life being reverse culture shocked, but there's really nothing we can do.

:facepalm: he was being sarcastic to yray...

[El Bastardo]

Question - Why is it acceptable to behave this way on the Mainland? I've never seen a Canadian-born family allow their child to go to the bathroom in the middle of the skytrain.

[Drow]

Hahhah dailu's.
Honestly there wouldnt be so much hate towards the dailu's if they up'd their manners to be atuned with the rest of the world. Didnt the government have to hand out pamphlets to teach the dailu's how to behave during the 2008 beijing olympics?

In vancouver, even hkers have bad manners. I guess westerners here would look down on hkers and dailu's, and the hkers would look down on the dailu's.

I have no hate towards ppl who are from china, just the ones with bad manners. Many students at sfu are from china, and they do have a presentable behaviour not consistent to the older generation.
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[StylinRed]

Question - Why is it acceptable to behave this way on the Mainland? I've never seen a Canadian-born family allow their child to go to the bathroom in the middle of the skytrain.



because children are pure little creatures in the mainland and public washrooms aren't abundantly available

so when a child has to go they have to go (part of that communal culture) no ones disgusted by it since its a child

you dont see adults whipping it out and pissing on the floor in front of them (sure there's the odd whineo but everyone has that)

what about the hongers that just blow snot out of their nose onto the ground like they've got a snowblower up in their nose (see it among senior mainlanders too but mostly prevalent among hongers in my experience even locally)

[iamed]

because children are pure little creatures in the mainland and public washrooms aren't abundantly available

so when a child has to go they have to go (part of that communal culture) no ones disgusted by it since its a child

you dont see adults whipping it out and pissing on the floor in front of them (sure there's the odd whineo but everyone has that)

what about the hongers that just blow snot out of their nose onto the ground like they've got a snowblower up in their nose (see it among senior mainlanders too but mostly prevalent among hongers in my experience even locally)

Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not..

How is it not disgusting when a kid pulls down his or her pants and starts taking a whizz in the middle of a street or any public area. All because they're children, it doesn't make it OK and by no means is not having an abundant amount of washrooms a legitimate argument as well. Their parents should be teaching these kids as part of their "potty training" that you only go when its either a toilet or behind a bush at 4 A.M in the morning with no one around :fullofwin:

[dachinesedude]

StylinRed im not disagreeing with you or anything, just wondering if you are a HKer or mainlander

and dam did the video ever add fuel to the fire, feeling HKer's hatred towards mainlanders more than ever, FB is going nuts with rants

that one guy's comments pretty much represented all of them

[Ikkaku]

:lol the issue here is that both sides don't admit to their faults. They both only represent themselves with the upper class and neglect the poverty-stricken population.

However, what really angers me is that the speaker is a professor at a highly recognized university. This attitude is no different than hongers finding mainlanders to be disgusting. He mentions mainlanders are of higher quality, but this claim cannot be justified because they were never under the same circumstances. They use the 'great firewall' in order to censor everything on the internet, and they play the China national anthem every now and then on TV to keep themselves united.

He blames the Brits for ruining HK, but another what if question is what would HK be like if it were never sold off? My guess would be that it would still be a mere transportation port or a random fishing industry sector, rather than the prosperous financial center it is today.

PS. If you think you've seen them at the worse with the pissing. There was an instance where a baby had explosive diarrhea, and the mother changed the baby on the table at a restaurant.

[Mr.HappySilp]

But that's what is and will happen. The emerging market country excels, and their 1% flee to safer areas. Same thing happened when Russia exploded from communism -- all their billionaires fled to Switzerland and London and bought up everything. The same is happening with China and HK/Vancouver, and now even London. I talked to a realtor there about a month ago and the majority of London real estate is now being snapped up by wealthy China people. In the end, it's a free market world and money talks. We may hate it having been born in Vancouver (or wherever) and having our way of life being reverse culture shocked, but there's really nothing we can do.

That's why there needs to be protection for the local folks like what some countires does. I believe in singapore you have to be a citizen in order to buy up real estate. Hk or Vancouver should do the same thing. You just can't be say a landed immgrant(Maple Card) or have dou citizenship if you have to buy real estate.

I haven't hear much news about singapore's real estate having issue.

[StylinRed]

StylinRed im not disagreeing with you or anything, just wondering if you are a HKer or mainlander

complicated reponse ensuing but i'll keep it simple

im canadian through n through :thumbs: (only 1/4 chinese :P)

lived in HK for a very long time (but "home" is in van), still have a home over there though, have family in both HK & China most the family left the mainland when the commies came (family is british/pakistani/chinese) half my aunts/uncles were born in HK including my mom

so i guess if you wanted to choose one "honger" would be most accurate




Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not..

How is it not disgusting when a kid pulls down his or her pants and starts taking a whizz in the middle of a street or any public area. sure it would be disgusting for us... but what you seem to miss is that different cultures have different attitudes towards things... just like a girl in a tube top is considered disgusting/slutty in other cultures... or someone who doesn't bathe 5X a day could be considered a bum in arabia

this i think is a major issue for Hongers.. there's very little understanding for different cultures (its probably why they're so racist/prejudice towards everyone)

All because they're children, it doesn't make it OK and by no means is not having an abundant amount of washrooms a legitimate argument as well. sure it is... its either that or hoping they have adult bladders so they can hold it...

[unit]

all i heard was shar shar

[Spectre_Cdn]

It's funny that I came across this video just moments after seeing a mainland mom have her son pee into a plastic bag, tie it up and throw it in the garbage, much like you would do with A DOG. this is in a mall btw, not outside
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I saw a kid peeing on a pillar in front of Rice World in Richmond, with the mainlander grandmother watching, next to him.

[StylinRed]

since we're talking about seeing little kids pee in public :lol


i was in daiso and this mainlander was trying to let her kid pee in a cup/bag while in line for the cashier everyone was :fulloffuck:

and the manager came running out and told her to stop and that she couldnt do that here

so she yelled and tried to get the kid to pee in the garbage can instead :haha: the staff kept telling her no and tried to get her to stop but she was adamant about letting her kid pee right there... her husband was trying to pull her away but the kid couldnt hold it and just started going


it seemed to me that for her this was a breast feeding in public type issue which btw is another example of other cultures thinking something is fine but others would be like :fulloffuck:

[SlySi]

:lol the issue here is that both sides don't admit to their faults. They both only represent themselves with the upper class and neglect the poverty-stricken population. .

Exactly.....

This whole fiasco with Hong Kong and China is pathetic.
Both sides are clearly to blame.
The wealthy bashing the poor or uneducated.
Iv done my fair share of travels to the mainland and Hong Kong.
Majority are good people. However, both have the rude and abnoxious.
There is no better side. For all the believers above this post who think Hong Kong people are better than mainlanders or vice versa... you are also to blame. Grow up.

The peeing in public, nose picking etc... well.. It was only 20 years or so ago when allot of the cities in the mainland were farms. Now being transformed to massive advanced cities. Throughout the country side, where are all the poor going to try to find work? To try to find education? To the city of course. Hell I would, if it was me and Im fairly sure it would be you as well. Not their fault they were brought up in the poorer country side. They dont know better. Many poor families dont have running toilets, or running water, they werent taught how to use a fork or knife, or even use a toilet. (kid you not), many cant afford diapers, they dont even know what a diaper is... blah blah blah...
Sure its all digusting to many of us...... However, these changes take time.
Hell.. in some cases many farmers dont even want to be in the city. Some are just clearly being banished from their homes from the goverment so they can build massive cities and buildings.

Education and experience.. The bashing between the two is just shameful.
I can almost gaurantee you. The father holding his son, peeing on the train. That kid growing up. Will not be doing the same to his son.
Education and experience....

[Mr.HappySilp]

since we're talking about seeing little kids pee in public :lol


i was in daiso and this mainlander was trying to let her kid pee in a cup/bag while in line for the cashier everyone was :fulloffuck:

and the manager came running out and told her to stop and that she couldnt do that here

so she yelled and tried to get the kid to pee in the garbage can instead :haha: the staff kept telling her no and tried to get her to stop but she was adamant about letting her kid pee right there... her husband was trying to pull her away but the kid couldnt hold it and just started going


it seemed to me that for her this was a breast feeding in public type issue which btw is another example of other cultures thinking something is fine but others would be like :fulloffuck:

Remember the incident where a mom from China let her kid poo in the sink a few years ago and yell back as ppl told her not to@@ and this happen right at the Vancouver Intertional Airport.

[StylinRed]

lol i remember hearing about it, i think on rs ;0

[El Bastardo]

Remember the incident where a mom from China let her kid poo in the sink a few years ago and yell back as ppl told her not to@@ and this happen right at the Vancouver Intertional Airport.



Crosspost from the "My parents have lived in Canada for 40 years and can't speak English" thread.

http://i.imgur.com/iXjks.jpg

[PiuYi]

what about the hongers that just blow snot out of their nose onto the ground like they've got a snowblower up in their nose (see it among senior mainlanders too but mostly prevalent among hongers in my experience even locally)

i actually saw a white dude do that in the middle of the sidewalk the other day.... always thought it was an exclusively honger thing to do :lol

[achiam]

Exactly.....

This whole fiasco with Hong Kong and China is pathetic.
Both sides are clearly to blame.
The wealthy bashing the poor or uneducated.
Iv done my fair share of travels to the mainland and Hong Kong.
Majority are good people. However, both have the rude and abnoxious.
There is no better side. For all the believers above this post who think Hong Kong people are better than mainlanders or vice versa... you are also to blame. Grow up.

The peeing in public, nose picking etc... well.. It was only 20 years or so ago when allot of the cities in the mainland were farms. Now being transformed to massive advanced cities. Throughout the country side, where are all the poor going to try to find work? To try to find education? To the city of course. Hell I would, if it was me and Im fairly sure it would be you as well. Not their fault they were brought up in the poorer country side. They dont know better. Many poor families dont have running toilets, or running water, they werent taught how to use a fork or knife, or even use a toilet. (kid you not), many cant afford diapers, they dont even know what a diaper is... blah blah blah...
Sure its all digusting to many of us...... However, these changes take time.
Hell.. in some cases many farmers dont even want to be in the city. Some are just clearly being banished from their homes from the goverment so they can build massive cities and buildings.

Education and experience.. The bashing between the two is just shameful.
I can almost gaurantee you. The father holding his son, peeing on the train. That kid growing up. Will not be doing the same to his son.
Education and experience....

It's true. Another well-known healthcare example was when the government introduced condoms to the villagers in rural areas. A follow-up visit showed that many of the people simply washed the condom and hung it on the clothesline to dry. We in the west obviously express shock at this, but it's a clear representation of the steep knowledge curve. People are a product of their environment, and we all too often forget this (myself included).

[sindragon]

ooo i read english comment on the video

some says the mom ate with the kid, and she didnt admit it. the mom used her kid and her lack of understanding of cantonese as excuses for her disrespect of the rules in the train, shame on her

edit: i learned two things in this thread.

1. Hongers/mainlanders hate each other A LOT (even my friend who is from mainland/beijing hates the fuck out of cantonese people and lives in richmond) very racist amongst hongers
2. OntheDLO pees in a plastic bag :fulloffuck: where do you even get a bag when you are wasted. :fulloffuck:

atleast onthedlo is better than the guy on 9gag who poops in the shower and chucks his shit with his barehands :lawl: :lawl:

[minimebang]

如果香港人是狗 你們大陸人連狗都不如 因為香港狗都有它們的自己的廁所 但你們大陸人就把MTR當成廁所. 我們的狗都比你們的人有文化. :)

[Limitless]

He says that a lot of people in Hong Kong are theives and the quality of HK is amongst the worst in China? :lawl::lawl::lawl: I always thought it was the other way around. I remember when I was going to Guangzhou from Hong Kong and the second we cross the border thing you would see everyone carrying their backpacks in front of them because they're scared of things being stolen. I've had my relatives in China tell me never to put my wallet in the back pocket of my jeans because it's too dangerous. You barely ever see that shit in Hong Kong

[wasabisashimi]

i actually saw a white dude do that in the middle of the sidewalk the other day.... always thought it was an exclusively honger thing to do :lol

We all whipped it out on a golf course, its ok just not in a crowded public place.

Unless you are drunk or high like a crackwhore i saw on robsons last year, pulled down her panty and pissed right at the bus stop outside tommy hilfigers.

How to raise your kid so they are not dogs 101:

1) dont talk loud in public places
2) dont piss unless in bathroom
3) dont chew and talk with food in mouth
4) most important part: most HK or china poeple don't hold the door open for you., fucking hate it.

[Ikkaku]

I think you missed one important lesson kids need to learn:

We are all people, there is no need to discriminate between people. Sure, we may speak different languages, look different and have different cultural norms. But in the end we are still people.

[CP.AR]

如果香港人是狗 你們大陸人連狗都不如 因為香港狗都有它們的自己的廁所 但你們大陸人就把MTR當成廁所. 我們的狗都比你們的人有文化. :)

well said :nyan:

[fT-z33wor]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CHTyEihXGSY/TWYHr9ry6PI/AAAAAAAAArI/nKEubYHWtUA/s1600/obamam-lol-y-u-mad-tho.jpg

[sindragon]

4) most important part: most HK or china poeple don't hold the door open for you., fucking hate it.


fuck man.... going to the states in seattle, NO ONE FUCKING SAYS THANK YOU when i open the door infront of them and no one fucking opens for me :seriously:

i find it normal in canada but never down there

[SkinnyPupp]

side note its funny how skinny seems to be offended its like he thinks he's a honger ;)
I'm not the least bit offended, I just thought it was funny that this guy called hong kongers "dogs" when I see a lot more dog-like behavior from his own people, and have even filmed it :).

I have seen HKers do some stuff that would be 'unacceptable' to someone raised in Canada for instance. TONS of nose picking, nail clipping, pimple popping, coughing in the open, shoving, impatience, and general inconsideration are the worst traits I have observed in HKers over the years. Oh and the 'class' thing definitely, especially on the island which I avoid as much as possible. None of which I would consider "dog like"

[ParadiseLost]

Lol at Hong Kong vs Mainland... When will people realize that an eye for an eye only leaves the whole world blind?

[Amuse]

One of my most popular youtube videos was of this mainland guy eating chicken on the mtr. He sat on the floor and ate it with his hands right out of his backpack. He would wipe his greasy fingers all over his jacket, it was quite a shocking video. I don't think DOGS even eat like that. It had like 500k hits but unfortunately I lost the account after I posted a 30 second clip from top gear, so it's gone
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I remember that video. He was squatting on the MTR eating KFC while spitting out chicken bones.

[sindragon]

I remember that video. He was squatting on the MTR eating KFC while spitting out chicken bones.

as a cantonese person, why the fuck do people care if he is mainland or not. There are plenty of people who do that in hongkong as hongers and canadians. One person does NOT generalize their society :suspicious:

[goo3]

Question - Why is it acceptable to behave this way on the Mainland? I've never seen a Canadian-born family allow their child to go to the bathroom in the middle of the skytrain.

Because being ghetto is 2 steps up from being a dog. If you skipped "school" and worked on a farm as a kid to feed yourself, and you're parents were the same way, 4*9 = 60 and you would be taking shits on the skytrain too.

And then if you immigrated to, say HK, for a better life for your kids, you'd have trouble learning Cantonese because you're pretty uneducated and it's a backwards language structurally compared to English, of which you have Gr 5 level literacy anyway. On top of that, the locals are racist as shit. Then 40 years later, kids on the internet will bitch at you for keeping to yourself and not learning the language.

[Durrann]

God damn there's a lot of stereotype going on In here

Every culture n every race there's someone who's either rude or obnoxious

This video actually widens the gap between them

Adds fuel to the fire lol
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[PiuYi]

I'm not the least bit offended, I just thought it was funny that this guy called hong kongers "dogs" when I see a lot more dog-like behavior from his own people, and have even filmed it :).

I have seen HKers do some stuff that would be 'unacceptable' to someone raised in Canada for instance. TONS of nose picking, nail clipping, pimple popping, coughing in the open, shoving, impatience, and general inconsideration are the worst traits I have observed in HKers over the years. Oh and the 'class' thing definitely, especially on the island which I avoid as much as possible. None of which I would consider "dog like"

this is where i draw the line.

[threezero]

being a mainlander and having live in hk for a considerable amount of time this promotion of hate is digusting. Every culture has their good and bad. HK is now part of china whether honger like it or not and everybody should really learn to get along.

Honger really need to stop infusing racial tension especially among youth. I tutor little kids in hk and i have had 10 year old kids blurting out hate speech about mainlander to me, I told the kid that i'm in fact a mainlander. The kid was in absolute shock and refuse to believe me base upon my action and my appearance and the way i talk.

the fucking hong kong media and the kid's parent taught the kid to stereotype and to hate. not saying that there ain't any rude and disgusting mainlander but there are FAR more egocentric insensitive disrespectful sheeps in hk that are completely ignorant of other culture.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ yes is very disrespectful when you have kids from China that just poo and pee everywhere they do and their parents TOLD them it is ok. Later on these ppl yell and scream at pplw ho try to tell them their action is unacceptable and they need to learn what's call WASHROOM.

Also, ppl who decides to come up to HK buy out all the stocks(as in BOXES) back to China leaving ppl in HK with none of that product to buy (remember the incident with the baby milk powders where you see ppl form CHINA buying them in 10+ boxes back to China?).

Also what about those so call moms form China rushing to HK to have their babies born in HK to use allt he benfits from HK without contrubting a penny to the HK society?

Is not just this one incident that causes this. Is a whole ton of other issue put together.

[Meowjin]

ching chong ling long









































:troll:

[hsh4]

so i met a guy yesterday after class and we were going to the library. he asked me if i'm from china and i said no. then he asked me where im from and i said hong kong. he seemed pretty annoyed with my answer. lol although hk is part of china now my natural initial reaction was that they are different hence i said hk and not china

[highfive]

Sooner or later...one side is going to complain saying they took OUR JOB!!!!

Southpark - They Took Our Job! - YouTube

[epicbeardman]

I've visited China and HK many,many times. When I was in Guangzhou, which is a Chinese city that is 2hrs from HK via train, I was subjected to complete anarchy in terms of lack of manners, common courtesy and very basic forms of human decency. When I boarded that train to HK, things improved substantially. Let me just thank the British for taming HK when they did and forcing western values upon the indigenous population. It's really two different worlds.

[iamed]

complicated reponse ensuing but i'll keep it simple

im canadian through n through :thumbs: (only 1/4 chinese :P)

lived in HK for a very long time (but "home" is in van), still have a home over there though, have family in both HK & China most the family left the mainland when the commies came (family is british/pakistani/chinese) half my aunts/uncles were born in HK including my mom

so i guess if you wanted to choose one "honger" would be most accurate




sure it would be disgusting for us... but what you seem to miss is that different cultures have different attitudes towards things... just like a girl in a tube top is considered disgusting/slutty in other cultures... or someone who doesn't bathe 5X a day could be considered a bum in arabia

this i think is a major issue for Hongers.. there's very little understanding for different cultures (its probably why they're so racist/prejudice towards everyone)

sure it is... its either that or hoping they have adult bladders so they can hold it...

This should not be a culture issue, when mainlanders come to a foreign city or country, be it Hong Kong or Vancouver. They should realize they are no longer on the mainland or wherever they are from and that there is "culture" that is acceptable and common courtesy to hold back on certain actions that may be acceptable within your own community.

[instantneedles]

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/hyperlazy/398087_331201593567758_124405907580662_1068458_265 656049_n.jpg

[sindragon]

^ jst saw that on FB too.. was gonna post and discuss

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac132/hyperlazy/398087_331201593567758_124405907580662_1068458_265 656049_n.jpg

only dogs sit like that in public *cough :lawl:

[StylinRed]

thats the asian sitting stance... whether u're honger, mainlander, viet, filipino, thai, taiwanese, jap, korean, CBC, etc etc

and i doubt that guy knows if he categorized them correctly ;)

[StylinRed]

This should not be a culture issue, when mainlanders come to a foreign city or country, be it Hong Kong or Vancouver. They should realize they are no longer on the mainland or wherever they are from and that there is "culture" that is acceptable and common courtesy to hold back on certain actions that may be acceptable within your own community.

hongers should realize that too then...

[sindragon]

nammer squat like bosses :troll:

[dachinesedude]

what do taiwanese think of the mainlanders and hkers btw? always curious to know

[Hehe]

Just to be clear, the original comments by this professor was more like if HKers can't recognize themselves as Chinese, they are dogs.

Now, on the side note, I think there is something wrong on both sides, but the problem really started with the mainlanders. Chinese say 入境隨俗 (you follow other's culture when you enter their territory). And they should respect how people in other places (this includes Vancouver, HK... everywhere) deal with things in public. Mainlanders shouldn't feel that it's right to do something because they do that back home.

Therefore, if mainlanders are outside of China, follow the local custom. If your kids need to pee/poo, take them to the washroom. If they aren't properly trained yet, get Pampers. It's not very hard and it's the minimum respect one should have.

[GG]

what do taiwanese think of the mainlanders and hkers btw? always curious to know

mainlanders have money but no class, no manners


HK are similar to tws, except hongers speak...well Cantonese lol


usually HK ppl got more money than tws

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

what do taiwanese think of the mainlanders and hkers btw? always curious to know

most taiwanese hates mainland chinese

Teuilabomb : "alot mainlanders have money but most have no class, no manners" +1

[instantneedles]

most taiwanese hates mainland chinese

Teuilabomb : "mainlanders have money but no class, no manners" +1

well from what I know and observe:

hongers = extremely arrogant & cocky, gets pissed off at the smallest things, very sensitive, likes to argue and yell for leisure

mainlanders = very rude, lack of proper manners, lack of respect for the eco-system/environment, always looking for loopholes and an easy way out

Ex. a story that happened to me and a friend when we went to harry rosen at downtown. And to my friend if he is reading this, it was def a moment we got pretty choked about. Basically, we went into the store... My friend saw a jacket he thought he would be interested in, but didn't see a price tag on it, so we decided to ask a sales associate who was standing around and doing nothing. The sales associate gave us a glare, looked at the jacket and blurted out" faive sousans dollassseee" with a rude attitude that seemed like he didn't give a shit or an attitude that made it seem like we didn't have the money to blow on such a jacket. He then turned his back to us in a swift motion and continued doing nothing.

Another incident that happened to me.. Basically, my dad's friend needed a place to stay over during his visit from hong kong. My dad's friend brought a relative with him(a mainlander) and asked my dad if it was ok that they also stay at our house. Being the generous guy he was, my dad offered to let them stay. After moving in that night, the mainlander started criticizing our house " your house is so big, but you don't even bother to renovate it", "you have such a big garden but theres nothing in it", "I'm your guest, why am I staying at the basement?" As the night pressed on, he started drinking, and left beer cans all over the place, went up to our middle floor, went into my grandma's washroom and started taking a shit and shower in there. The next morning, he told us he was fed up with our house, and how he had to sleep at the basement (mind you our house was packed at the time, my dad's friend had a family of 3, and my own family is a family of 4, all the rooms were occupied, and we didn't want to offer him the living room), he left without a word and told my dad's friend that he was going to a hotel. My dad's friend got pretty embarrased, but my dad being the generous guy he was, just let it go.

and to clarify, this only refers to the typical honger/mainlander that their culture reflects on... There are definetly NUMEROUS hongers/mainlanders that do not fit this stereotype. I won't say this is a stereotype as much as it is a cultural classification. They are forced to adapt such attitudes based on the culture/environments they live in.

[threezero]

^^ yes is very disrespectful when you have kids from China that just poo and pee everywhere they do and their parents TOLD them it is ok. Later on these ppl yell and scream at pplw ho try to tell them their action is unacceptable and they need to learn what's call WASHROOM.

Also, ppl who decides to come up to HK buy out all the stocks(as in BOXES) back to China leaving ppl in HK with none of that product to buy (remember the incident with the baby milk powders where you see ppl form CHINA buying them in 10+ boxes back to China?).

Also what about those so call moms form China rushing to HK to have their babies born in HK to use allt he benfits from HK without contrubting a penny to the HK society?

Is not just this one incident that causes this. Is a whole ton of other issue put together.


i'm not justifying their action, some of their action is clearly wrong and inconsiderate. mainlander that pee and shit in public and hoard stuff etc are clearly from a different culture than hongers. Their action may not be right but it does not make it ok for honger to be racist. anywhere else in the world being racist towards certain people base on their bank accou8nt and their lack of education is not morally ok, what i have a problem with is hong kong actively promotion such racist and the notion of "us" vesus "them". This chinese proffesor is an asshole but the truth is it started long long time with honger hating on mainlander because they are different.

if that was me on the mtr eating, being that i blend in with other honger the whole sitatution would have been deal with ALOT diffferently.

[too_slow]

I have yet to meet a pretty/hot HK-er girl that is not b*tchy/arrogant. I think this applies to Korean girls as well (disclosure: my exposure to Korean girls were limited to HS encounters)

On the other hand, I have met a lot of pretty, yet extremely down to earth TW girls when I was in undergrad. YMMV...

[instantneedles]

I have yet to meet a pretty/hot HK-er girl that is not b*tchy/arrogant. I think this applies to Korean girls as well (disclosure: my exposure to Korean girls were limited to HS encounters)

On the other hand, I have met a lot of pretty, yet extremely down to earth TW girls when I was in undergrad. YMMV...

True dat.

[dachinesedude]

mainlanders have money but no class, no manners

HK are similar to tws, except hongers speak...well Cantonese lol

usually HK ppl got more money than tws

oh good, cuz 我愛台妹, 台妹愛我 lololol

[ae101]

well heres what i see as my dads from HK & my mom is from taiwan, i was born in taiwan but at a young age i was expose to china

now i work in china right now & there lot more rich ppl now dun to farm real estate, factory owners & these kind country side things, since i sell wine & cigars i see a lot more of these ppl

are office is guanzhou but we have a showroom in chang-ping dongguan & that alone can tell u the different between mainlanders (its only less then 30min train ride), cuz guanzhou is a city while dongguan is a big town

the ppl i see are rich but then some of them are quite lower class rude ppl, those guy would buy an iphone & show it off but yet they would buy local cheap wine with english on it & they would say its imported from some outside country, then BS the price on it

(the companies exported the wine from china to an outside country then back to china again so they can call it an import)

they also think material things should be legit but not what your drinking or eating,on the contrarily i know a lot of mainlanders are quite nice in a way even though they might be non-mannered in a way but there not trying to be all fake

which is trying to be would they are (unlike some ppl i meet), i met this one guy telling me that he knows more then me about my job when he can't even find france on a map period & theres also this guy ask me once if he can buy a cigar then cut in half so he can share it with his buddy (i laugh on the inside pretty hard)

[TOPEC]

^ holly fuck r u tic tac?

[Drow]

i think HK ppl view taiwan ppl as equal, they dont look down on them and i think theres some sorta mutual respect going on.

in hk ppl's eyes a tai mei is worth more than a china girl ahaha :badpokerface:

[ParadiseLost]

as a cantonese person, why the fuck do people care if he is mainland or not. There are plenty of people who do that in hongkong as hongers and canadians. One person does NOT generalize their society :suspicious:

i totally agree. it's stupid to generalize an entire population due the actions of a single person. i remember a video of some drunk middle aged guy from hong kong who started mouthing off a caucasian dude in the train (maybe MTR as well?). does that make every honger an intolerant, racist drunk? NO. stop the hate and judge people based on their individual merits and not some predetermined bias due to their nationality, color, gender, etc...

[ParadiseLost]

mainlanders have money but no class, no manners


HK are similar to tws, except hongers speak...well Cantonese lol


usually HK ppl got more money than tws


you're retarded. it's because of biased people like you that we encounter these tensions in the first place

[Tic Tac]

^ holly fuck r u tic tac?

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[kuri]

you're retarded. it's because of biased people like you that we encounter these tensions in the first place

God damn there's a lot of stereotype going on In here

Every culture n every race there's someone who's either rude or obnoxious

This video actually widens the gap between themWe need more people like you guys. The amount of stereotype and bias in this thread is unbelievable. There are rude/obnoxious/snobby/inconsiderate people in every culture. For those who think all Hongers and Mainlanders have those characteristics, you're just as bad as all those Hongers/Mainlanders who hate each other.

That university professor in the video was definitely annoying, but so was the Honger guy who stirred sh!t on the MTR if you actually saw the original incident video to which that professor was reacting to and venting about (posted by TRD Rs200 on page 2).

[westcoastgsr]

Anyone in a customer service job get a smart ass comment from a mainlander when you tell them you speak Cantonese and not Mandarin?

I fucken want to punch these fuckers in the face so bad.

BTW Recently rich mainlanders are the equivalent to the term "Nigger Rich". Look it up if you dont know.

Also I would like to state I hate all people equally, including my own people.

[yray]

Anyone in a customer service job get a smart ass comment from a mainlander when you tell them you speak Cantonese and not Mandarin?


Just speak English to them. Better yet, refer them to a nationalistic Taiwanese coworker. :troll:

[spyker]

The proper term is "hood rich".

[FRStan]

Anyone in a customer service job get a smart ass comment from a mainlander when you tell them you speak Cantonese and not Mandarin?

Just say you only speak English, most of the time they have an 'oh shit' face.
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[davidw1234]

I speak Eng, Cant, and Mandarin fluently. (Perks of learning all 3 at the same time during childhood).

When I worked for customer service a long time ago (face-to-face, not call centre), people would think I only speak English, so they would mumble something like this in Chinese:

"Fucking asian comes to Canada and can't even speak his own language and talk to us normally"

Why yes, suddenly I'm supposed to talk to them in Vancouver's "official language" - Chinese. You should have seen their faces when I started speaking to them in Mandarin/Cantonese.

Just trying to make a point that both HK and Mainlanders have said the same shit. I've met my fair share of well educated/shitty Hongers and Mainlanders. Can't really stereotype, you get well educated/shitty people from both sides equally.


P.S. - Don't know if this was mentioned but that Peking Prof claims that he never said HK people were "dogs".

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[SkinnyPupp]

Interesting that it's the opposite when you're in southern china. When I go with my wife, we can only communicate in canto. A lot of locals still speak it there, and it seems like they are more than happy to speak it with others. Not just in stores or whatever, but everywhere.
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[goo3]

I've got no doubt China will show us the true way to deal with these tensions because they are "56 ethnic groups living in peace and harmony" after all. The amateur hour you're seeing must be an anomaly... :badpokerface:

[1exotic]

我白，大声笑了出来，在此主题

[instantneedles]

I speak Eng, Cant, and Mandarin fluently. (Perks of learning all 3 at the same time during childhood).

When I worked for customer service a long time ago (face-to-face, not call centre), people would think I only speak English, so they would mumble something like this in Chinese:

"Fucking asian comes to Canada and can't even speak his own language and talk to us normally"

Why yes, suddenly I'm supposed to talk to them in Vancouver's "official language" - Chinese. You should have seen their faces when I started speaking to them in Mandarin/Cantonese.

Just trying to make a point that both HK and Mainlanders have said the same shit. I've met my fair share of well educated/shitty Hongers and Mainlanders. Can't really stereotype, you get well educated/shitty people from both sides equally.


P.S. - Don't know if this was mentioned but that Peking Prof claims that he never said HK people were "dogs".

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I feel you bro. I also worked in customer service not too long ago, and experienced alot of this "chinese-is-the-official-language-of-vancouver" nonsense. Alot of times I would get customers that would come up to me and start speaking mandarin to me just because I looked asian. The moment I start speaking english to them they just give me this blank/dumbfoundead expression sorta like this :seriously: and then just walk away. And this is not just with a few customers, I've had MANY chinese customers do this to me.

[dat_steve]

However, not many of the China of the chest, directly or as a result of a number, the correct diagnosis, or invasive.

for some idiotic reason my brain always tries to make sense of your posts.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Anyone in a customer service job get a smart ass comment from a mainlander when you tell them you speak Cantonese and not Mandarin?

I fucken want to punch these fuckers in the face so bad.

BTW Recently rich mainlanders are the equivalent to the term "Nigger Rich". Look it up if you dont know.

Also I would like to state I hate all people equally, including my own people.

O yea I straight tell them I don't speak chinese. I am sorry but this is Vancouver offical language is English. If you can't even start up a simple conversion in the native language then you shouldn't be here.

Is funny coz most of the time they talk shit about you then in the end I tell I can understand chinese perfectly and Thank you for using our service. The shock then embrassing look on thier face are priceless :fullofwin:

[Greenstoner]

Mainland, HK, tw are all Chinese. Fucking embarrassing fighting and talking shit about each other

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[Hehe]

Mainland, HK, tw are all Chinese. Fucking embarrassing fighting and talking shit about each other

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相煎何太急
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Many mainland Chinese use this very ideology trying to justify any cultural differences between mainland, HK and TW. Many confused 華人 (people from Chinese ancestry) vs 中國人 (Chinese) and it's sad that Chinese themselves are putting the shadow on people who try to be proud of their ancestry.

The fact is, people in the 3 places have very different sense of value. I see nothing wrong with argument on value. It is a problem or conflict the society have to deal with sooner than later. And if it's mainlanders who have to play the catch-up, urge them to do so. Why do (generally) better/more western-socially acceptable people in HK and TW have to bear with the screwups that mainland Chinese are doing OUTSIDE OF CHINA?

[niu99]

instead of arguing online, i wanna witness hongers legislation pass laws that restrict the number of chinese in hong kong or something of this nature.

[too_slow]

instead of arguing online, i wanna witness hongers legislation pass laws that restrict the number of chinese in hong kong or something of this nature.

I think RS should ban retards like you ..

[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

I think RS should ban retards like you ..

i don't think you should think RS should ban retards like him.. he will be soon

Edit :
niu99 - hong kong is part of china...

[Tanooki]

i certainly like dogs more than some people

[conflagrare]

The rage against mainalanders comes from the fact that they are hogging Hong Kong resources. Imagine people from seattle coming to Vancouver buying up all baby milk powder so that it is impossible for you to buy milk for your baby. Pregnant women rushing the ER to have babies so that they can get a canadian citizenship for their kids and themselves later on while the hospitals are already at max capacity. once they have the citizenship, they can hog subsideized housing and other benefits. People will get angry and pissed off, why do they have to share something that they did not earn in the first place? They are not immigrating they do not contribute to hong kong, many times they still keep their chinese citizenship and their residential accounts.

To put this "hogging resources" into perspective:

for every 10 babies in HK with both Hong Kong Resident parents, there are 8 non-resident ones. (as of 2010) HK resident birth rate hasn't changed in the past 5-7 years. Non-resident birth rate has grown exponentially.

The hospitals have been crying about lack of bed space for years, and their cries are well justified.

guess what happened next? The babies take up space in the HK school system. Then the parents claim that they need to have citizenship to take care of their baby in HK. (some how, bringing their kid back home to China never crossed their minds)

Where do the babies come from? There are business setup to provide complete service, from getting your visa and stuff to go to HK, to getting you a place to stay in HK while pregnant, to getting you to the hospital when your water breaks (They know hospital staff refuse foreign births, so they go at the last minute to make it a life & death situation)

[observer]

A lot of over generalization here. Some background on the interviewed man may help.

Kong is an unpopular associated professor at Peking University. He knows nothing about sociology, history or ethics. His specialty is Chinese language, in modern fiction and kungfu novels.

Students in Peking University disliked him so much they started a motion to have him fired, as he kept swearing in class.

Yes, the majority of Peking University students wanted Kong dismissed for promoting violence and hatred.

His assistant was jailed for stabbing a reporter who criticized Kong.

Peking University Students Urge Kong Qingdong's Dismissal - YouTube

Absolutely no class, an insult to China, no, make that an insult to humanity.

[minoru_tanaka]

complicated reponse ensuing but i'll keep it simple

im canadian through n through :thumbs: (only 1/4 chinese :P)

lived in HK for a very long time (but "home" is in van), still have a home over there though, have family in both HK & China most the family left the mainland when the commies came (family is british/pakistani/chinese) half my aunts/uncles were born in HK including my mom


I think we need to see a pics of your sister.

I think it's hilarious how much we hated hongers pouring in during the 90s and now that it's happening in HK they are displaying the same sentiments. I'm still not a fan of rich people buying property in other countries to hide their money. You made your riches in that system however corrupt it is and now you're afraid of the same system taking it away?

[niu99]

Where do the babies come from? There are business setup to provide complete service, from getting your visa and stuff to go to HK, to getting you a place to stay in HK while pregnant, to getting you to the hospital when your water breaks (They know hospital staff refuse foreign births, so they go at the last minute to make it a life & death situation)

they also specialize in canada too. from getting your tourist visa to assisting giving birth in canada so the baby can acquire canada citizenship at birth. isn't that great.

[SkinnyPupp]

This video has been making the rounds in HK recently. It's a mainlander mother with her retarded son. Her son had to take a shit while they were in causeway bay so.. well...

WARNING: It really is a video of someone taking a shit in public

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6lBdS8VmeI

[spyker]

^

Skinny that's fucking disgusting,some people seriously need to learn some manners and develop some class,even if they have no self respect,at least have some respect for others in public.

[spyker]

Just saw the video again,I think I recognize the person to be Hyde who was taking the dump on the street.

He probably had to go while waiting for the valet to bring him his Enzo.At the end of the video,you can clearly see him standing there,of what looks like the front entrance with his pants still down,of what appears to be a very exclusive VIP noodle house restaurant.

[dachinesedude]

is the son really mentally retarded? or are you calling him a retard cuz he's shitting on the streets?

either way, thats fucking disgusting, how can we not generalize them when shit like this always happen?

[RESN]

I think he actually has a disability lol

[dasani604]

is the son really mentally retarded? or are you calling him a retard cuz he's shitting on the streets?

either way, thats fucking disgusting, how can we not generalize them when shit like this always happen?

We don't have to generalize them and if you do then you're an ass.

I don't see Mainlanders here shitting all over the place. Hong Kong probably harbours more Mainlanders than Vancouver so there's a higher chance of public shitters there, but I don't think it's fair to generalize them. Why?

Some Cantonese people can be down right loud and rude and I've encountered a shit load of them in Vancouver and Hong Kong. Is it fair to judge all Cantonese people as obnoxious? BTW, I'm Cantonese myself.

There are some Koreans who are extremely cliquey and give off the vibe that they think they're the best nationality out there. Is that true for all Koreans?

Some Japanese have funky teeth. Is it true for all Japanese?

The Filipino accent is hard to understand and a lot of their women become nannies. Are all Filipinos going to fail at getting other careers besides being nannies/nurses/janitors?

:ahwow:

Stop painting a nationality/race with the same brush that you use to label certain individuals. I know "certain" isn't the best way to describe the number of public shitters in Hong Kong but if all Mainlanders publicly shitted then Hong Kong would be overrun by shit, and same with Vancouver. Point being, get off your high horse.

[StylinRed]

i think he's probably handicapped... at least you hope that's the reason cuz :seriously:

and his mother/gf/wife/person that's with him looks embarrassed about it hence they're covering their face

[instantneedles]

yeah, i highly doubt he did such an action out of habit... its a bit too much to overgeneralize to the entire chinese population just because of this one guy who does seem to have a mental disorder. BTW, I dislike the fact that the hongers in the video were swearing in canto. If you want to talk about class, you gotta take that into consideration as well...

[Geoc]

Why are you guys treating this as a class or cultural issue???

The people are spitting phlegm, peeing in public and shitting on the streets!!! THIS IS FUCKING PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE!! Fuck class and cultures, I don't want a disease epidemic!

[Tim Budong]

the infamous golden nuggets can be found in many malls and streets in HK
its pretty sickening

[CP.AR]

i saw a mom holding a kid up against a elevator to pee in causeway bay during my trip back this year...

yes they were speaking mandarin and the mom definately had that mainland dresscode on her

[sindragon]

Lol interesting stuff from my family who just visited hong kong. They said the hospital beds are so booked cus mainlanders are taking that it was so sad seeing hongers giving birth in the hallway
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[StylinRed]

^^^ that's just ridiculous and not true, i know i haven't been back in ages but ive got relatives who are doctors over there who agree its busssssy but not packed to the point of hallway births; and they've restricted mainlanders from entering the hk to give birth unless one of the parents is from hk


and the private hospitals obviously have room if you have the funds

[Ikkaku]

Chinese (including people from HK) tend to be like locusts, once they see something they like, they start invading in swarms :lol

If you ever go to Citygate Outlets out by Tung Chung, you'll see plenty of them walking around with luggage. Those people don't use luggage as we do, a lot of times it'll be used as shopping carts.

sindragon - you are correct, a good portion of mainlanders prefer that their children get the benefits of being born in HK. They had a few tv shows discussing this rather large problem, and yet it seems as though there is not much they can do about it. If you ever visit the borders, you see a lot of pregnant women crossing into Hong Kong.

[niu99]

the ccp single-handedly fucked up the people in china. all the good traditional values and customs have been wiped clean, erased from the society. replaced with brain wash and moral depletion.

[SkinnyPupp]

the ccp single-handedly fucked up the people in china. all the good traditional values and customs have been wiped clean, erased from the society. replaced with brain wash and moral depletion.
This I agree with. I catch a lot of flak here for speaking out on the issue, but I want to make it clear that I have nothing against the PEOPLE in China. I think there are wonderful people all over the world, and shitty people as well. I do NOT generalize about the people. I go there all the time, and meet interesting people.

HOWEVER

What you say IS true. Their culture has been bleached out of them by the CCP. And a lot of people (not generalizing here, but if you think about it, it's true) who otherwise might be interesting normal people, have become uninteresting, vapid trend whores who only care about money and 'getting face'. YES there are people like that everywhere (including a few here on RS) but what I have a problem with is that this type of culture is directly promoted by the government, who also don't let their people live the lives they WANT to, if they otherwise wouldn't want to be that vapid, boring personality.

[fetched]

May I ask what "traditional values" and "customs" have been wiped out by CCP? Curious to know

[dasani604]

May I ask what "traditional values" and "customs" have been wiped out by CCP? Curious to know

Ditto and in detail please. I'd like to know so I can bring it up in a discussion with my mainlander friends who always promote Mao's "greatness".

[observer]

Ditto and in detail please. I'd like to know so I can bring it up in a discussion with my mainlander friends who always promote Mao's "greatness".

I think most mainland friends you see nowadays are promoting Deng's greatness and not Mao's. Mao was half decent during the Second World War, when the ruling KMT was extremely corrupted, a trait from its root from the warlord era (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_era).

Contrasted with the KMT in the 40s an 50s, the CCP was actually quite popular siding with the pheasants, and managed to win the civil war (KMT took refuge to Taiwan of course, and robbed their way as they escaped to the island). However, Mao (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/mao_zedong.shtml) proved to be quite a mess introducing disastrous economic policies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward) one after another, leading to countrywide famine in China in the 60s an 70s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine).

Mainland Chinese were not allowed to leave China during Mao's days and were extremely poor, and many died from hunger.

It was Deng (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping) who got into power after Mao's death in 1976 and introduced completely different economic policies lifting China from a very poor country into what it is now. Even though Deng was jailed by Mao and his son handicapped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Pufang) by the Gang of Four (led by Mao's notorious wife Jiang Qing) (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/225316/Gang-of-Four), after winning the power struggle, Deng chose to keep the party united, without dishonoring the dead chairman.

Regarding Chinese culture, it is quite complex and it's far more than just saving face (which derived from Confucius value on respect). To understand it, one should have a basic familiarity with Confucianism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism), Buddhism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism) and Taoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism), as well as a deeper understanding of modern Chinese history.

Perhaps instead of just watching CNN (many Americans still have the old cold war mentality hence the news we get is quite biased against China), watch other channels including CCTV (english.cntv.cn/) and Al Jazeera (http://www.aljazeera.com/) to get a more balanced worldview. The CCP may not be as evil and the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan monks may not be as great (http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html).

[fetched]

^
:ahwow:

[SkinnyPupp]

"many died from hunger."

It's a bit more extreme than that :fuckthatshit:

[observer]

"many died from hunger."

It's a bit more extreme than that :fuckthatshit:

If you bother clicking the link I provided, you can read more about the subject. Of course, as mentioned, in addition to the failed economic policies, Mao was a little crazy siding with the Gang of Four with the Cultural Revolution and the Red Guard.

But Deng does deserve the credit lifting China out of famine, no matter how one looks at it. Sadly, most outside of Asia don't fully understand the subject and would only call everybody a communist, China, "Red China".

Unlike the Christian Right which is always playing fire with theology, or the NDP here in Canada which is always pro union, the uniqueness of the CCP system is that a leader can learn and reverse on policies.

Deng did exactly what Mao was absolutely against but could do so, as he managed to gain enough votes within the party to support him, over Hua who was handpicked by Mao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hua_Guofeng).

For those who truly have no prejudice over the country and the people, it will be most helpful to engage in a healthy dialogue, with an open mind, which of course, involves certain degree of understanding and respect of the ruling system. It's really not helpful simply being too judgmental calling the people boring, materialistic, or uninteresting, and blame everything on one simple factor (the CCP).

After all, people are people. It's only opportunists like that Kung troublemaker trying to stir up sentiment to make a name for himself. But then, media sells and it is a dangerous path, as his ill conceived preaching does breed unhealthy nationalism and hatred dividing people.

[Hehe]

The problem with CCP on Chinese culture is the culture revolution.

They wiped out many traditional values, practices, religious believes...etc in a decade. Then the CCP basically implemented a set of ideas of their own through education.

Therefore, many Chinese without receiving education high enough (often western educated) show very little depth in their reasoning. Such idea creates conflicts with HK and TW people who both preserved the traditional Chinese and incorporated modern western moral values.

What China needs to do, with its massive economic power, is to do a overhaul in their education system. Promote critical thinking, preserve the tradition or cultures that have been lost while we still can. Bring back the true Chinese culture and not just looking at paintings and pots in the Forbidden City museum... and open up a bit more to accept some moral values so China can be more compatible in the world scale

[fetched]

I don't understand why we are talking about shit that happened 30-40 years ago. People in China were eating leather belts while Americans were dealing with the social movement. Has nothing to do with ONE Chinese prof calling hongers dogs. Same thing as a red neck calling all homosexual fags.:suspicious:

What China needs to do is stay the way they are, until the CHINESE people are fed up and act on it. I'm sure if China was as bad as some of you guys say it is, shit would have hit the fan already. I guess Canadians have adopted the American way of thinking that everyone should be like us, and if their not like us, they wanna be like us.

[observer]

The Cultural Revolution was Mao's front for his power struggle, to enforce socialism in the country to prosecute Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping. It bred a generation of illiterates; however, since Deng came into power, he reversed most damages done by Mao, even allowing private property ownership rights which would be absolutely impossible under Mao.

Regarding Chinese culture, what exactly is it? While Confucianism emphasizes on the importance of ethics and morality, Buddhism and Taoism basically is faith talk. In fact, the latter especially breeds the belief in the supernatural, which is a big obstacle for the teaching of critical thinking.

It happens everywhere but it's sickening how many Chinese would fall for scams like Falung Gong.

[observer]

I don't understand why we are talking about shit that happened 30-40 years ago. People in China were eating leather belts while Americans were dealing with the social movement. Has nothing to do with ONE Chinese prof calling hongers dogs. Same thing as a red neck calling all homosexual fags.:suspicious:

What China needs to do is stay the way they are, until the CHINESE people are fed up and act on it. I'm sure if China was as bad as some of you guys say it is, shit would have hit the fan already. I guess Canadians have adopted the American way of thinking that everyone should be like us, and if their not like us, they wanna be like us.

I think Canadians are better, being far less nationalistic than our friends down south. The prof, well, basically students wanted to vote him out (for swearing in class and for promoting violence), unfortunately, Peking University chose to keep him.

His style is more of a hardliner, more Mao than Deng. However, China is really not as bad as what we read in the west. We see many returning to the country for decent living and business opportunities.

[SkinnyPupp]

Observer do you go to China much? This isn't being confrontational, I am just wondering
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[observer]

Observer do you go to China much? This isn't being confrontational, I am just wondering
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Yes, as we do business with various partners in China. Mainly the main cities though, Shanghai, Beijing, Hong Kong, etc. It's interesting to see a larger number of contacts relocating from Hong Kong to Shanghai and Beijing in the past decade for better opportunities.

Something no one would consider back in the days of the Cultural Revolution.

[SkinnyPupp]

Ah no wonder you are so pro-CCP. You only see the facade of it :)

Maybe you think American outlets only portray an "iron curtain" aspect of China, but to suggest that people should dismiss it in place of state owned news outlets that are run by China and other countries with human rights issues is kinda :fulloffuck:

It does bring an interesting perspective, and for me it's interesting to see someone buy right into what they are being sold. I always try to see things from all sides, so this is an interesting thread. Thanks for that

[fetched]

Reading Skinny's post on China is like watching fox news talk about Iran.

Observer is trying to educate you about China history, you call him PRO-CCP
Ron Paul tries to educate American about Iran history, fox news calls him PRO IRAN.

He does business in China, so you instantly assumes he only sees the facade of it because he's told you history about China with "western" links. :fulloffuck:

for me it's interesting to see someone buy right into what they are being sold

So tired of your stupid ass insults against people that have an opinion other than your own.

[observer]

Ah no wonder you are so pro-CCP. You only see the facade of it :)

Maybe you think American outlets only portray an "iron curtain" aspect of China, but to suggest that people should dismiss it in place of state owned news outlets that are run by China and other countries with human rights issues is kinda :fulloffuck:

It does bring an interesting perspective, and for me it's interesting to see someone buy right into what they are being sold. I always try to see things from all sides, so this is an interesting thread. Thanks for that

To be honest SkinnyPupp, I feel I should be reading more news from CCTV but my Mandarin is not good enough to do so, unfortunately.

You probably think differently, I don't really see any country being all good or all evil. However, certain things are just inherently bad such as Falun Gong, theocracy and Creationism. Of course, if you ask me, that includes Fox News as fetched pointed out.

I don't think China or the US is an either or situation, if we are pro-CCP, then we must be against the US. We in Canada are in the position to freely criticize both. Radicals like that professor would like us to think that China is all good and the rest of the world all bad, but we don't need to follow him.

All I am saying is, China may not be as bad as we think, that's all. When evaluating China, I doubt anyone would object, that China has improved dramatically in the past 30 years, looking at only the facade or not. Perhaps you were not born before the Mao days when people from China would desperately swim to Hong Kong or Macao to find a new life.

Before making a judgment call, it helps to know a little about the history, I feel that if one doesn't know the difference between Deng and Mao, one should be a little more humble on Chinese affairs.

[SkinnyPupp]

Reading Skinny's post on China is like watching fox news talk about Iran.

Observer is trying to educate you about China history, you call him PRO-CCP
Ron Paul tries to educate American about Iran history, fox news calls him PRO IRAN.

He does business in China, so you instantly assumes he only sees the facade of it because he's told you history about China with "western" links. :fulloffuck:



So tired of your stupid ass insults against people that have an opinion other than your own.
Wow, holy fucking way to jump to conclusions... Well that's all I am going to say to you. You have obviously already blindly and stupidly made up your mind about anything I would ever say, considering you think I was "insulting" people because YOU think they have opinions that are different from my own (which by the way, I haven't even stated my opinion on ANYTHING in this thread)

For the original topic, here's another photo being shared around a lot on social media here

http://i.imgur.com/qQUaQ.jpg

:troll: