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: Canada Ranked #1 on Most Educated Countries in the World


Harvey Specter
02-01-2012, 02:20 AM
:ahwow:

In the past 50 years, college graduation rates in developed countries have increased nearly 200%, according to Education at a Glance 2011, a recently published report by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). The report shows that while education has improved across the board, it has not improved evenly, with some countries enjoying much greater rates of educational attainment than others. Based on the report, 24/7 Wall St. identified the 10 developed countries with the most educated populations.

The countries with the most highly educated citizens are also some of the wealthiest in the world. The United States, Japan and Canada are on our list and also have among the largest GDPs. Norway and Australia, also featured, have the second and sixth-highest GDPs per capita, respectively. All these countries aggressively invest in education.

The countries that invest the most in education have the most-educated people. All of the best-educated countries, except for the UK, fall within the top 15 OECD countries for greatest spending on tertiary — that is, college or college-equivalent — spending as a percentage of GDP. The U.S. spends the second most and Canada spends the fourth most.

Interestingly, public expenditure on educational institutions relative to private spending by these countries is small compared with other countries in the OECD. While the majority of education is still funded with public money, eight of the countries on our list rely the least on public funding as a percentage of total education spending.

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The countries included here have had educated populations for a long time. While they have steadily increased the percentages of their populations with postsecondary educations, the increases are modest compared to developing countries. The U.S., Canada and Japan have had tertiary educational attainment above 30% since at least 1997. Poland, a recently developed country that is not on our list, had a tertiary educational rate of 10% in 1997. As of 2009, that rate had grown to 21%.

These are the 10 most educated countries in the world.

10. Finland
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 1.8% (3rd lowest)
> GDP per capita: $36,585 (14th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 3.15% (10th lowest)

Finland is a small country relative to the other OECD members. The share of its adult population with some sort of postsecondary education, however, is rather large. This select group is reaching the end of its expansion. From 1999 to 2009, the number of college-educated adults increased only 1.8% annually — the third-smallest amount among all OECD countries. Finland is also one of only two countries, the other being Korea, in which the fields of social sciences, business and law are not the most popular among students. In Finland, new entrants are most likely to study engineering, manufacturing and construction.

9. Australia
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 3.3% (11th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $40,719 (6th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 14.63% (3rd highest)

Australia’s population grew 14.63% between 2000 and 2009. This is the third-largest increase among OECD countries. Its tertiary-educated adult population is increasing at the much less impressive annual rate of 3.3%. Australia also spends the sixth-least amount in public funds on education as a percentage of all expenditures. The country also draws large numbers of international students.

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8. United Kingdom
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 4.0% (9th highest)
> GDP per capita: $35,504 (16th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 3.47% (13th lowest)

Unlike most of the countries with the highest percentage of educated adults, the UK’s educated group increased measurably — more than 4% between 1999 and 2009. Its entire population only grew 3.5% between 2000 and 2009. One aspect that the UK does share with a number of other countries on this list is relatively low public expenditure on education institutions as a percentage of all educational spending. As of 2008, 69.5% of spending came from public sources — the fourth-smallest amount among OECD countries.

7. Norway
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 37%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): N/A
> GDP per capita: $56,617 (2nd highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 7.52% (14th highest)

Norway has the third-greatest expenditure on educational institutions as a percentage of GDP, at 7.3%. Roughly 23% of that is spent on tertiary education. In Norway, more than 60% of all tertiary graduates were in a bachelor’s program, well more than the U.S., which is close to the OECD average of 45%. The country is one of the wealthiest in the world. GDP per capita is $56,617, second only to Luxembourg in the OECD.

6. South Korea
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 39%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 5.3% (5th highest)
> GDP per capita: $29,101 (13th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 3.70% (14th lowest)

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Korea is another standout country for its recent increase in the percentage of its population that has a tertiary education. Graduates increased 5.3% between 1999 and 2009, the fifth-highest among OECD countries. Like the UK, this rate is greater than the country’s recent population growth. Korea is also one of only two countries — the other being Finland — in which the most popular fields of study are not social sciences, business and law. In Korea, new students choose to study education, humanities and arts at the greatest rates. Only 59.6% of expenditures on educational institutions come from public funds — the second-lowest rate.

5. New Zealand
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 40%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 3.5% (14th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $29,871 (14th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 11.88% (8th largest)

New Zealand is not a particularly wealthy country. GDP per capita is less than $30,000, and is the 14th lowest in the OECD. However, 40% of the population engages in tertiary education, the fifth-highest rate in the world. The country actually has a rapidly growing population, increasing 11.88% between 2000 and 2009. This was the eighth-largest increase in the OECD. Part of the reason for the high rate of tertiary graduates is the high output from secondary schools. More than 90% of residents graduate from secondary school.

4. United States
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 41%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 1.4% (the lowest)
> GDP per capita: $46,588 (4th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 8.68% (12th highest)

The U.S. experienced a fairly large growth in population from 2000 to 2009. During the period, the population increased 8.68% — the 12th highest among OECD countries. Meanwhile, the rate at which the share of the population with a tertiary education is growing has slowed to an annual rate of 1.4% — the lowest among the 34 OECD countries. Just 71% of funding for educational institutions in the country comes from public funds, placing the U.S. sixth-lowest in this measure. Among OECD countries, the largest share of adults with a tertiary education live in the United States — 25.8%.

3. Japan
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 44%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 3.2% (10th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $33,751 (17th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 0.46% (6th lowest)

In Japan, 44% of the adult population has some form of tertiary education. The U.S. by comparison has a rate of 41%. Japan’s population increased just 0.46% between 2000 and 2009, the sixth-slowest growth rate in the OECD, and the slowest among our list of 10. Japan is tied with Finland for the third-highest upper-secondary graduation rate in the world, at 95%. It has the third-highest tertiary graduation rate in the world, but only spends the equivalent of 1.5% of GDP on tertiary education — the 17th lowest rate in the OECD.

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2. Israel
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 45%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): N/A
> GDP per capita: $28,596 (12th lowest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 19.02% (the highest)

Although there is no data on the percentage of Israeli citizens with postsecondary education dating back to 1999, the numbers going back to 2002 show that growth is slowing dramatically compared to other countries. In fact, in 2006, 46% of adults ages 25 to 64 had a tertiary education. In 2007 this number fell to 44%. Only 78% of funds spent on educational institutions in Israel are public funds. The country is also only one of three — the other two being Ireland and Sweden — where expenditure on educational institutions as a proportion of GDP decreased from 2000 to 2008. Israel also had the largest increase in overall population, approximately 19% from 2000 to 2009.

1. Canada
> Pct. population with postsecondary education: 50%
> Avg. annual growth rate (1999 – 2009): 2.3% (5th lowest)
> GDP per capita: $39,070 (10th highest)
> Pop. change (2000 – 2009): 9.89% (10th highest)

In Canada, 50% of the adult population has completed tertiary education, easily the highest rate in the OECD. Each year, public and private expenditure on education amount to 2.5% of GDP, the fourth-highest rate in the world. Tertiary education spending accounts for 41% of total education spending in the country. In the U.S., the proportion is closer to 37%. In Israel, the rate is 22%. In Canada, nearly 25% of students have an immigrant background.

The 10 Most Educated Countries in the World - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-10-most-educated-countries-in-the-world.html)

xilley
02-01-2012, 02:28 AM
EH! Canada!

Fappin
02-01-2012, 03:57 AM
America ranked #4? :suspicious:

belka
02-01-2012, 04:40 AM
America ranked #4? :suspicious:

Go anywhere in the southern states. You'll see why.

Hurricane
02-01-2012, 05:21 AM
Canada's rates, along with the UK, Australia, and New Zealand are artificially inflated by all the International students. America has a lot too, but I think their population offsets the impact.

I guess it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I am more intrigued by the fact that Japan is basically the only first world country left with a notably higher percentage of men than women graduating. J-housewives FTW.

Go anywhere in the southern states. You'll see why.

Think you misinterpreted his post...

asian_XL
02-01-2012, 05:22 AM
GDP per capita: $39,070

I didn't know it's that low

SkinnyPupp
02-01-2012, 06:40 AM
This thread

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taylor192
02-01-2012, 06:54 AM
Canada's rates, along with the UK, Australia, and New Zealand are artificially inflated by all the International students. America has a lot too, but I think their population offsets the impact.

Canada has ~1.6M post secondary students, with ~100K being international students.

I hardly think ~6% inflates the stats.

Hurricane
02-01-2012, 07:41 AM
Canada has ~1.6M post secondary students, with ~100K being international students.

I hardly think ~6% inflates the stats.

More like 10% according to actual sources. But probably only led a 3-4 point overall difference, so who cares anyhow.

dachinesedude
02-01-2012, 08:02 AM
whats the point? a lot of people still cant find decent paying jobs, so many people having post-secondary education just makes it less valuable

G-spec
02-01-2012, 08:02 AM
Speaking of this issue, you know what I can't stand about this country (well I guess I should say government), it's when immigrants who are highly educated come here only to find out their degrees aren't worth shit..
We have people in our immigrant community who were professors even doctors back home, and here they are stuck doing random every day typical jobs, because which immigrant has years of time to waste and tens of thousands of dollars for school as soon as they move to a new country.

My dad for example had to endure 3 years of schooling and tens of thousands of dollars just to be allowed to do some of the stuff he used to do back home. And that's in the first few years of us moving to Canada when we needed every single fcking dollar just to get by.
I'm not saying Canada should fully embrace anyone with a diploma from another country, but the least you could do is not make the person jump through every single fucking hoop and hurdle possible to squeeze every dollar possible (getting a return on their investment I suppose you could call it) but nah this country absolutely LOVES milking immigrants. This is a bigger issue in smaller immigrant communities where a large support system doesn't exist on the scale the Asian and East Indian community have for their community.

dinosaur
02-01-2012, 08:07 AM
cool. i always thought we was smart.

InvisibleSoul
02-01-2012, 08:19 AM
I'm actually surprised at such numbers. You're telling me one out of every two random people in Canada have completed post-secondary education?

taylor192
02-01-2012, 08:24 AM
Speaking of this issue, you know what I can't stand about this country (well I guess I should say government), it's when immigrants who are highly educated come here only to find out their degrees aren't worth shit..

My dad for example had to endure 3 years of schooling and tens of thousands of dollars just to be allowed to do some of the stuff he used to do back home. And that's in the first few years of us moving to Canada when we needed every single fcking dollar just to get by.

I appreciate where you're coming from, yet not all degrees are created equal. Plus some countries it is much easier to obtain a degree illegitimately. We cannot accredit all degrees worldwide, so some will have more hoops to jump through.

There are ways to accredit your credentials prior to immigrating, and requiring people to recertify is a good thing for Canadians to know we're getting the same quality we're used to from people educated in Canada.

The hardship of affording to go back to school while establish yourself here is part of immigrating. If you aren't willing to put in that time/effort/money, then perhaps our immigration system let you down by allowing you to immigrate here in the first place. This is why the Conservatives are tightening immigration.

As for milking immigrants - I've posted this several times: Canadians are subsidizing immigrants as they only provide ~80% of the cost to our society. There's lots of studies on this. Thus why the Conservatives are reforming immigration to cut that 20% loss.

taylor192
02-01-2012, 08:25 AM
whats the point? a lot of people still cant find decent paying jobs, so many people having post-secondary education just makes it less valuable

I'm actually surprised at such numbers. You're telling me one out of every two random people in Canada have completed post-secondary education?

Yes. I thought the numbers were ~40%, yet its even increasing.

As stated above, I don't think its a good thing.

EmperorIS
02-01-2012, 08:31 AM
cool. i always thought we was smart.

:suspicious:

AWDTurboLuvr
02-01-2012, 08:32 AM
I wish it had data containing which were the top 3 most common degrees for Canada (like they did for Finland). It's not useful if all we're pumping out are art graduates.

CP.AR
02-01-2012, 08:35 AM
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dinosaur
02-01-2012, 08:59 AM
:suspicious:

:suspicious:

GLOW
02-01-2012, 09:28 AM
1st place in edu-ma-cation
last place in finding a decent job

Mr.HappySilp
02-01-2012, 09:46 AM
Speaking of this issue, you know what I can't stand about this country (well I guess I should say government), it's when immigrants who are highly educated come here only to find out their degrees aren't worth shit..
We have people in our immigrant community who were professors even doctors back home, and here they are stuck doing random every day typical jobs, because which immigrant has years of time to waste and tens of thousands of dollars for school as soon as they move to a new country.

My dad for example had to endure 3 years of schooling and tens of thousands of dollars just to be allowed to do some of the stuff he used to do back home. And that's in the first few years of us moving to Canada when we needed every single fcking dollar just to get by.
I'm not saying Canada should fully embrace anyone with a diploma from another country, but the least you could do is not make the person jump through every single fucking hoop and hurdle possible to squeeze every dollar possible (getting a return on their investment I suppose you could call it) but nah this country absolutely LOVES milking immigrants. This is a bigger issue in smaller immigrant communities where a large support system doesn't exist on the scale the Asian and East Indian community have for their community.

Do your eally want a doctor who bought his degree fom elsewhere came to Canada without any schooling from Canada and just accept him as a doctor? Sorry no we need to make sure ppl are ready to work under Canada Standards. Is part of immigrantions.

MindBomber
02-01-2012, 10:03 AM
America ranked #4? :suspicious:

I'm surprised they ranked that high.

1st place in edu-ma-cation
last place in finding a decent job

Not true.

Although Vancouver has a number of relatively small sectors for people with related degrees to find work compared to other major cities, as a whole, there are great opportunities across Canada for people with the right degree.

GLOW
02-01-2012, 10:11 AM
Although Vancouver has a number of relatively small sectors for people with related degrees to find work compared to other major cities, as a whole, there are great opportunities across Canada for people with the right degree.

i agree, my comment was just me expressing my cynicism based on personal experience, especially in vancouver

add me to the list when i saw the US at #4 :suspicious:

Manic!
02-01-2012, 10:31 AM
Do your eally want a doctor who bought his degree fom elsewhere came to Canada without any schooling from Canada and just accept him as a doctor? Sorry no we need to make sure ppl are ready to work under Canada Standards. Is part of immigrantions.

No one disagrees but the problem is there is no real path for doctors who come from other countries. Many end up going to the states were it is easier.

drunkrussian
02-01-2012, 12:51 PM
i lived in the #1 and #2 most educated countries in my life, and yet i'm one dumbass mo'fucka' so this list is clearly wrong

hypediss
02-01-2012, 01:24 PM
"pct with post secondary education"

i think they should further scrutinize that statistic...

it could be that we have more lax in class and graduation policies that yield more students with degrees that doesn't necessarily mean we are more educated - it could just mean we had an "easier" life in university when compared to ones abroad.

just my 0.02

m!chael
02-01-2012, 01:41 PM
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Culture_Vulture
02-01-2012, 02:42 PM
Take a stroll out in Surrey, then read these statistics again,
you'll be convinced the entire world is going to hell

ShadowBun
02-01-2012, 03:00 PM
so educated that a bachelor means nothing

sounds about right

G-spec
02-01-2012, 03:48 PM
I appreciate where you're coming from, yet not all degrees are created equal. Plus some countries it is much easier to obtain a degree illegitimately. We cannot accredit all degrees worldwide, so some will have more hoops to jump through.

There are ways to accredit your credentials prior to immigrating, and requiring people to recertify is a good thing for Canadians to know we're getting the same quality we're used to from people educated in Canada.

The hardship of affording to go back to school while establish yourself here is part of immigrating. If you aren't willing to put in that time/effort/money, then perhaps our immigration system let you down by allowing you to immigrate here in the first place. This is why the Conservatives are tightening immigration.

As for milking immigrants - I've posted this several times: Canadians are subsidizing immigrants as they only provide ~80% of the cost to our society. There's lots of studies on this. Thus why the Conservatives are reforming immigration to cut that 20% loss.



yea I hear ya on degree certification, and off course people's diplomas from other countries shouldn't be fully certified to be exactly equivalent to Canadian standards because they're not, and that's what I meant when I mentioned in my post about Canada fully embracing everyone's diploma from another country, it needs to be carefully BUT fairly examined..
But they don't seem to realize there are places in this world where schooling exceeds the Canadian standard, and this isn't recognized at all.

This is where the government really needs to take a better look and be more fair in this process, some of the people in my community I mentioned they did their schooling in some of the top universities all over Europe, countries like Germany and Switzerland, but the way the system here treated them was like they were third world country immigrants who moved here straight from some village with a piece of paper that said diploma on it.

I'm not naive, I mean immigration is a business for Canada literally, government wants a return on their investment, but the way it's setup they want that shit unfairly, it's worse than owing the mob for fcks sake.
All government is doing is cutting their losses, they understand now they may have gotten a little over their head with the whole "come on over to Canada" thing and are starting to realize it's turning to be not a 100% beneficial to them so they're "subsidizing" and I understand it, because truth is immigrants ARE starting to put a strain on our Canadian living standards and something does need to be done, that's where this subsidy process has come into place.

And I've seen this work first hand, just one example I have a friend from the Asian community whose aunt just emigrated, along with her husband and kids, and grandparents... so there was a slight issue with the grandparents, and after a while it turned out they were to be sent back, they weren't accepted (welcomed) here, way immigration office saw it grandparents are retired, wont work and will only put a strain on the health care system, it's a business decision I understand...
But my personal views are always on the humane side of things and not the business side, so this bothers me.





Do your eally want a doctor who bought his degree fom elsewhere came to Canada without any schooling from Canada and just accept him as a doctor? Sorry no we need to make sure ppl are ready to work under Canada Standards. Is part of immigrantions.

No, but what you said is exactly what I meant in the part of my post where I specifically said I Canada shouldn't fully recognize a diploma from another country, I guess you misunderstood that part of my post.

But the way it's set up, you basically literally almost have to redo ALL of your schooling, so it's like starting from scratch, tell me which immigrant wants to damn near redo their whole degree at a critical time in your life where every ounce of your energy and attention needs to be focused on food on the table....
and that's the problem there, but I'm not naive whatsoever, and I understand the bare bones of it is Canada is giving you a peaceful nice place to live obviously they want something back, but when that something exceeds what every normal Canadian citizen is already giving, then the system is just not fair simply put.

I don't know how many times here my dad has come across guys in his field of work who were born here, went to university here and all that, and they can't do basic math on the job site, or they can't figure out something simple in their head.
I mean me personally last year I did a bit of work for this company for a few months and they ended up having me replace a guy who spent 2 years at SFU with a full blown degree, because I did his job better than him, and I had no schooling for it at all.... and in my head I'm thinking I know a dozen people off the top of my head that are even better than me at this job, but they'll never even be looked at let alone hired because their diplomas here are considered pieces of paper.

I love this country and it's people, but gotdang where is the fuckin equality I was promised, if I can't get it in Canada then where do I go.

CorneringArtist
02-01-2012, 03:55 PM
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Guess we ain't slow.

TheKingdom2000
02-01-2012, 04:54 PM
It's really sad that 80% (my own figure) of all post-secondary degrees are useless...

4444
02-01-2012, 05:10 PM
It's really sad that 80% (my own figure) of all post-secondary degrees are useless...

no degree is useless, as it shows an ability and willingness to learn (what you get your degree in does not mean much anymore)

having said that, just getting a degree is step 1, ppl who think they have a BCom or BA and that they deserve to drive a BMW and live downtown are very foolish (or funded by their parents)

sadly, to make a great living (all else equal, that is, no 'luck' in getting an amazing opportunity), you need to keep being in an educational program until one's mid 20's

GabAlmighty
02-01-2012, 05:32 PM
I lol when people say there aren't jobs. No, they're just being picky little brats.

TheKingdom2000
02-01-2012, 06:53 PM
no degree is useless, as it shows an ability and willingness to learn (what you get your degree in does not mean much anymore)

having said that, just getting a degree is step 1, ppl who think they have a BCom or BA and that they deserve to drive a BMW and live downtown are very foolish (or funded by their parents)

sadly, to make a great living (all else equal, that is, no 'luck' in getting an amazing opportunity), you need to keep being in an educational program until one's mid 20's

In my opinion a degree doesn't show anything. It is not hard to get a degree at all.

Unless the degree is an engineering degree, trades degree, or a specialized degree the rest are useless.
Think about it. How many of your friends that have degrees use their degree at work?

And yes, there are a small fraction of those with bachelors that get jobs, but those are the lucky ones or the ones who are top 1%. The majority of people with a bachelors = waste of $25K (at least)

I honestly wished I had proper guidance when I was younger. The counsellors in high school are completely USELESS!
And I think a lot of the blame falls on parents as well. A lot of them expect their children to continue their education and just throw them somewhere into the post-secondary system. I understand the need to be educated, but to force your child into a degree that will be utterly useless?

drunkrussian
02-01-2012, 07:05 PM
That's because you're also Russian. I lived in #1 and #2 and I'm fucking awesome :fuckyea:

:ahwow::ahwow::ahwow:

4444
02-01-2012, 07:10 PM
In my opinion a degree doesn't show anything. It is not hard to get a degree at all.

Unless the degree is an engineering degree, trades degree, or a specialized degree the rest are useless.
Think about it. How many of your friends that have degrees use their degree at work?

And yes, there are a small fraction of those with bachelors that get jobs, but those are the lucky ones or the ones who are top 1%. The majority of people with a bachelors = waste of $25K (at least)

I honestly wished I had proper guidance when I was younger. The counsellors in high school are completely USELESS!
And I think a lot of the blame falls on parents as well. A lot of them expect their children to continue their education and just throw them somewhere into the post-secondary system. I understand the need to be educated, but to force your child into a degree that will be utterly useless?
we'll have to agree to disagree - maybe people you know who provide an example needed to grow up - i know ppl who have done nothing with their life post university graduation - their fault, not their education. i know a lot of people who finish with a degree in one field, and then go and get a relatively entry level position in finance or something else and work their way up - thing is, university degree is a required minimum for almost EVERY job out there

i guess it all comes down to the person - I have a BA, i do really well for myself because i kept on going and going and going and i'm still not done my education (more through choice than anything) - i won't be done when I'm 30

BA, BComm, whatever it is, is the beginning, not the end, i guess that's what I"m saying, so it doesn't matter what you get at the B level, as you'll be adding something specialized ontop of that

PiuYi
02-01-2012, 08:22 PM
Do your eally want a doctor who bought his degree fom elsewhere came to Canada without any schooling from Canada and just accept him as a doctor? Sorry no we need to make sure ppl are ready to work under Canada Standards. Is part of immigrantions.

no of course not, its important to have standards but i think there needs to be a better system in place to put immigrants in jobs where they can be best used, because right now there isn't one for most professions and where there is, it clearly isn't functioning very well

"pct with post secondary education"

i think they should further scrutinize that statistic...

it could be that we have more lax in class and graduation policies that yield more students with degrees that doesn't necessarily mean we are more educated - it could just mean we had an "easier" life in university when compared to ones abroad.

just my 0.02

this. i've always wondered what the international governing body is for regulating the quality of university/college graduates... the prestigious schools, yes it can be assumed their graduates are of good quality, but UBC? SFU? what standards are they adhering to when they churn out these degrees?

MindBomber
02-01-2012, 09:15 PM
this. i've always wondered what the international governing body is for regulating the quality of university/college graduates... the prestigious schools, yes it can be assumed their graduates are of good quality, but UBC? SFU? what standards are they adhering to when they churn out these degrees?

A university isn't able to generically add degree programs and courses without scrutiny, they are regulated by BCEQA (http://www.bceqa.ca/educators/eligibility).

Generally speaking, I would consider any of the local universities to provide a very good quality education at the undergraduate level. A basic comparison using UBC as a benchmark, since it's currently ranked twenty-two among universities world wide: many local professors also do not teach exclusively at a single university, I've taken courses from the same professor at UBC and Kwantlen; the institution, degree programs and courses are held to the same standards by BCEQA; the content of the majority of undergraduate courses is entirely transferable to any other BC university. Once you reach graduate degree level, it's fair to say a school like Kwantlen would not be comparable to UBC, because research is not a priority at the smaller institutions.

PiuYi
02-01-2012, 09:42 PM
hmm yes but that's within BC... what about a degree from University of Afghanistan or something, theoretically couldn't U of Afghan just hand out degrees to students that don't deserve them?

since there is no international body that regulates the quality of a university grad from country to country, isn't it possible that its just easier to earn a degree in certain countries?

MindBomber
02-01-2012, 10:03 PM
hmm yes but that's within BC... what about a degree from University of Afghanistan or something, theoretically couldn't U of Afghan just hand out degrees to students that don't deserve them?

since there is no international body that regulates the quality of a university grad from country to country, isn't it possible that its just easier to earn a degree in certain countries?

That's the stumbling point on recognizing degrees from foreign countries.

If I could do any degree, it would be a DVM (veterinarian), but there are only fifteen spaces available per year in British Columbia. For that reason, it's very common for prospective vet students to pursue degrees abroad in Australia and the UK. I was speaking to another person who wants to become a veterinarian recently, she applied to a school that is a combination MD-DVM program in the Caribbean. There are schools all over the world that are complete shams.

The scale of the bureaucracy required to maintain a international regulatory body for universities would be mind boggling unfortunately, just the number of languages that would need to be spoken alone. I really think the best method of recognizing degrees from foreign universities is to allow those who hold them to challenge domestic programs and earn a Canadian degree.

Lamboda
02-01-2012, 11:53 PM
College Conspiracy - YouTube

This is an hour long documentary. Take it with a grain of salt. Choose to believe what you want.

GabAlmighty
02-02-2012, 01:11 AM
I believe that it's all a pile of horse shit.

LIKEABOSS
02-02-2012, 01:19 AM
Having a degree does not mean a person is educated. This is why just because you have a degree does not mean you "deserve" a good job or whatever else you think you deserve (this is just fluff to get you to pay the big bucks to go to their school :D ).

Although I'm a big proponent of formal education (there's a lot of good that can come from it), some of the dumbest people I've met in my life were college students/grads (ie. people who think their degree is the ticket to the good life :D ). At the same time, some of the smartest and some of the wealthiest people I know have very little (if any) formal education.

There is a lot of politics and profiteering in the education system but IMO it's just like any other political system that we have to deal with in life. The people who own and control the education system have their objectives (ie. to profit financially, social engineering,etc.) and it is our responsibility to do our best to understand and to work with/around it.

My view of the education system is very similar to my view on our monetary system. Our monetary system (central banking, fractional-reserve banking, fiat currencies) is designed to turn us into slaves-for the benefit of the few who own and control the system. In other words, the monetary system is a very sophisticated form of neo-fudalism. But the thing is, we as individuals can do very little about it. The best use of our time is to understand the system and then work around it (or if you're amoral, you can profit from it). There are many ways to do this but I digress.

The education system is very much like the monetary system. Its objective is to serve the people who own and control society... that is, the 1%. And this only makes sense because they, the 1%, are only doing what is natural to them, that is to protect and increase their power. They (through the education system) do this by producing compliant little workers (re: slaves) who will spend their entire lives enriching the masters for a pittance. And when you are no longer useful to them, you will be summarily discarded (re: it's time for you to retire!).

But getting back to the point. Because we live within this system, it is much easier to reach your objectives if you've "paid your dues." That is, to have gone through college. As long as you understand that you are just "paying your dues" and not fall victim to their propaganda (re:"you deserve a good job/life if you have a degree) then you will do fine. However, if you're like most people (re: suckers) then you will be a miserable slave for the rest of your life. :D

taylor192
02-02-2012, 08:49 AM
In my opinion a degree doesn't show anything. It is not hard to get a degree at all.
I agree with this. Post secondary has been dumbed down so much to maximize profits by pushing more kids through the system. Take a look at exams from a couple decades ago, so much harder.

My mother told me I received my degree the first day of school, I just had to wait 4 years for them to give it to me. She's a former teacher, kinda discouraging to hear her tell it like it is.

Unless the degree is an engineering degree, trades degree, or a specialized degree the rest are useless.
Think about it. How many of your friends that have degrees use their degree at work?
I have an engineering degree and use very little if anything of what I learned at work.

There's lots great programs, and lots of useless people with specialized degrees too.

Gridlock
02-02-2012, 10:25 AM
I would think Sprott Shaw and the rest of the cracker jack schools would also count towards these statistics.

"Do you wish to make more money? Of course, we all do...in 3 easy months you can train in VCR Repair!"

Yeah, I know, that wasn't SS...but same diff. Those commercials were always so classy.