[epicbeardman]

IF you wanted to build a reliable , fast, agile and peppy daily driver (and occasional Auto-X'r), and your budget's around 10k, would this be a good idea? Considering the B16B has 185lb out of the box, a ridiculous redline, and a pretty easy swap to do on a CRX...
B16B, intake, exhaust, header, new coilovers, brake conversion to say like a GSR- yay or nay?

[1exotic]

nay.

[AVS_Racing]

or buy a swapped eg/ek for 4k. or buy a jdm wrx/sti for 6-8. lots you can do with 10k

[MindBomber]

FishTaco gave fails, but did not suggest you an alternative autox car or criticize the build plan.
1exotic gave a nay, again with no explanation, suggestions or criticism. Automatic FWD hate?

Productive.

Epicbeardman, I'd suggest you create a thread on Honda-tech in the Road Racing/Autocross & Time Attack forum. You have a good basic plan already it sounds like, but they can give you very detailed feedback on things like the weight of every specific model and year.

[RRxtar]

has it been long enough that we can call that retro? classic?

that was my wet dream when i bought my first car (CRX) at 16..... 12 years ago

[crazyazn]

yay if you want built not bought

otherwise, for 10k there are some other options, such as RHD imports

[FishTaco]

FishTaco gave fails, but did not suggest you an alternative autox car or criticize the build plan.


Hmm.. I failed because he's asking about the most common swap in the Honda world. There's a reason why. Google + CRX + b16 swap = thousands of hits.:fullofwin:

2nd fail is for the "nay" without a reason.

[MindBomber]

Hmm.. I failed because he's asking about the most common swap in the Honda world. There's a reason why. Google + CRX + b16 swap = thousands of hits.:fullofwin:

2nd fail is for the "nay" without a reason.

Ahh makes sense :thumbsup:

[death_blossom]

b16b (from the JDM EK9 CTR) would still command a pretty high price, no? and I think you meant 185hp, not 185lb torque.

have you considered the price of a b18c1 swap? do you already own the CRX?

[TypeRNammer]

How much do RHD CRX SiR's go for now a days with the glass roof?

[epicbeardman]

Hmm.. I failed because he's asking about the most common swap in the Honda world. There's a reason why. Google + CRX + b16 swap = thousands of hits.:fullofwin:

2nd fail is for the "nay" without a reason.

I specifically asked about the B16B. The B16B is less common in CRX's than the other B16 models. At the same time I wanted to know what RS thought. But thanks for your input.

[corollagtSr5]

Nay. Man, you know whats pimp, a Datsun 240z with a rb26dett. That's what I wanted when I was young and dumb. Way better and faster than your crx b16b.

[epicbeardman]

b16b (from the JDM EK9 CTR) would still command a pretty high price, no? and I think you meant 185hp, not 185lb torque.

have you considered the price of a b18c1 swap? do you already own the CRX?

I think I said 185hp. ANd ya I considered the B18c1, but the B18c1 is a slightly harder swap than a B16B, lower redline, b16b 185hp out the box (if you take a B18C1, add the extra cost of swapping, plus mods to make the same power, it will cost more or the same amount) and a better transmission. I also want to keep it N/A.

[jing]

How much do RHD CRX SiR's go for now a days with the glass roof?

More than you can afford, pal.

[E-40six]

Do what dbaz did, B20/vtec in his CRX did it like 5-6 years ago?
all under 10k back then its still reliable

[Manic!]

Buy a EK Civic with a B16 swap for under 6 and spend the rest op performance upgrades.

[J89]

Go B18c1.

B16B is an impressive motor..once you're in VTEC..but in real world situations Torque > Horsepower.
B16's in general are gutless, even a K20a3 would be better in a CRX.
You will be much happier with a C1, as well as a C1 responds better to mods.
B16's in general with N/A breather mods will no nothing, but more so especially in a B16B, it's already tuned from factory.

[1exotic]

FishTaco gave fails, but did not suggest you an alternative autox car or criticize the build plan.
1exotic gave a nay, again with no explanation, suggestions or criticism. Automatic FWD hate?

Productive.

Epicbeardman, I'd suggest you create a thread on Honda-tech in the Road Racing/Autocross & Time Attack forum. You have a good basic plan already it sounds like, but they can give you very detailed feedback on things like the weight of every specific model and year.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kGClat8tv1I/TXIVrvqTc7I/AAAAAAAAAC0/85uXl8FM0VQ/s320/lol-why-you-mad-tho.jpeg

[Meister1982]

1exotic is a big hater when it comes to anything non exotic. Since when did you see him take any pics of civics? Not the best person to ask.

[dbaz]

How much do RHD CRX SiR's go for now a days with the glass roof?

with all options. power folding mirrors, glasstop, auto climate control, leather seats, back seats, power folding mirrors etc. 13-15kish. have seen some at a lower price though, unless they are missing options. but an importer would charge 14kish+ as i found out while icbc was trying to appraise my car.

10k to put in a crx.. Honestly the b16 isnt worth it. I got bored of it quickly. Its an upgrade from d series but meh. I would go with a type r engine and suspension upgrades. I was contemplating going from 2litre to kseries swap but with all the fab work etc and to do it properly its going to be over 10k. With a built bseries if you do it right is good enough for the crx if you are planning on tracking. Sure the k20 is good for shits and giggles but the bseries is good if done right.

personally i have a b18c1 thats been bored to 2l. it has enough torque to make it fun and when tuned/built can put out decent power for a light car

[MindBomber]

I was contemplating going from 2litre to kseries swap but with all the fab work etc and to do it properly its going to be over 10k. With a built bseries if you do it right is good enough for the crx if you are planning on tracking. Sure the k20 is good for shits and giggles but the bseries is good if done right.

personally i have a b18c1 thats been bored to 2l. it has enough torque to make it fun and when tuned/built can put out decent power for a light car

I believe a k24a1 (CRV) k-swap is a great option for the power levels one would be looking for in an autox car. People fixate on having a k20a ($5k) or a k24a2 ($3k), but the head in a k24a1 flows equally to that of a k24a2 minus vtec for a very affordable price ($800-1000). Buy a low mileage motor, don't spent a fortune on going with a built motor and forged internals that you don't need. Get K-Pro or AEM EMS, I/H/E, vtec killer and a tune and you'll be hitting more than any mild b-series build could ever achieve for less money, because of the increased displacement. Yes, the swap is a bit of a PITA into a CRX, but the money you save by not buying a b18c5 or b16b would cover the increased cost of mounts and such.

[dbaz]

umm if you look at all the small items you need for a kseries its what truly adds up. the motor isnt really what adds up. bseries crap is cheaper because there's more options on who to buy from because there's more demand still. i almost went k24a1 route(had a wrecker offering full motor for 400) but it still was more expensive in the end
kpro 1000
axles 350
clutch line 100
mounts 400
etc etc etc

[Leopold Stotch]

i personally dontl ike the way crx's look, so i'd get a 96-2000 hatchback

but i guess that's quite a bit more money.

[pinoy.solsi]

heres a suggestion. buy my rhd honda del sol with a b16. lol jk

[Lowered_Klass]

Considering the 10k budget, a K swap is just out of the question. A lot of work, labour, and $$ to do it properly. A B series swap is MUCH more cost effective in the long run. There are still a million aftermarket parts for them, and it's a tried, tested and true swap.

If you can find a decent B18c5 motor out there, that would be my pick. A ton of fun in stock form.... however, there is no reason you couldn't build up a B20. That would be a lot of fun as well. You have so many options, it's a great position to be in.

...and frankly, Honda should have had a b series motor in the CRX from the factory, or at least in the Si models anyway... :fullofwin:

[spoon.ek9]

personally i'd rather do a B18C5 or a JDM ITR B18C instead of a B16B. Better torque, more power and relatively close in price. B16B's are still very expensive because of how rare they are.

...and frankly, Honda should have had a b series motor in the CRX from the factory, or at least in the Si models anyway... :fullofwin:

JDM CRX SiR has a B16A :thumbsup:

but yeah, I wish they did that here too instead of the weak D16A6.

[Lowered_Klass]

I meant for the USDM market :p

We already know, Japan keeps all the good stuff for itself! :(

[SumAznGuy]

OP. Does it have to be a CRX? What about a JDM ITR or even a USDM ITR?
If it has to be a CRX, how series is the autos part of it? If autos is just for fun then I'd say go B20 Vtec swap with a JDM ITR tranny- Either GSR brakes or up the stock brakes with better pads and lock for VX rear aluminum drums, koniyellows with Ground Control coilovers, sway bars and brace

[alex.w *//]

any pics of nice crx's?

[blackGS?]

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but if you're
planning on Auto-Xing whatever you end up building it moves you to
higher class.
Had a gsR that I installed a greddy turbo kit (8lbs boost max) and I was running
in the street modified class... Did not do very well :(
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[BillyBishop]

How much do RHD CRX SiR's go for now a days with the glass roof?

I asked around nearly two years ago and got quotes ranging from 7-9k landed and through customs, plus tax on top.

[SumAznGuy]

One thing I forgot to mention, with your $10K budget, you also should budget some of that money to fix up the car. Even if you get a MY91 car, it is over 20 years old and you may have some general maintenance items to replace like bushings, and tie rods. And you may still have rust issues.

[dbaz]

I asked around nearly two years ago and got quotes ranging from 7-9k landed and through customs, plus tax on top.

completely depends on the options the car has as that sounds low from what i was told. my guess is that might not even be a glasstop ef8

[epicbeardman]

One thing I forgot to mention, with your $10K budget, you also should budget some of that money to fix up the car. Even if you get a MY91 car, it is over 20 years old and you may have some general maintenance items to replace like bushings, and tie rods. And you may still have rust issues.

True, but the CRX is so dirt cheap that I don't mind it being a bit banged up. I am not planning on keeping this car till I die anyway- and more money towards mods. Sure the budget is 10k, but I'd like to go under budget as much as possible. Your suggestions of a JDM car won't work because alas, the significant other has no idea on how to drive left handed and freaks out at the sheer thought. THis will still be a daily driver. and a USDM ITR is about 5gs out of my budget. I basically want to build a cheap ass N/A daily driver that is peppy and agile enough to do auto-x once in a while and gets me to point A and B in a fun, yet gas saving way. Otherwise I'd go all out and just get a 240sx and drop a sr20 in there. With the abundance of mods available for the CRX, cheapness of the chassis and the weight of the car, it won't take much to make it go fast, handle nicely and stop on a dime. With the CRX chassis, I bet I can build a pretty decent car around 8gs.

As for the people suggesting the B18c1, I thought about it, but I wanted to do as little mods to it as possible, and keep it NA. I know the B18 is boost happy, but I don't really want to turbo it- just make a fast rev happy car. Though about the B20/vtec engine, but are they stable? Heard some horror stories of them in the past. Plus, securing a B20 block and seperate b18 top end and a separate tranny is a chore.

[epicbeardman]

personally i'd rather do a B18C5 or a JDM ITR B18C instead of a B16B. Better torque, more power and relatively close in price. B16B's are still very expensive because of how rare they are.



JDM CRX SiR has a B16A :thumbsup:

but yeah, I wish they did that here too instead of the weak D16A6.

I was under the impression that due to the B16s size it would be an easier swap than a b18? correct me if I'm wrong.

[dbaz]

umm i believe the block sizes are the same and you dont want some shitty rusted ass crx. depending on the mounts your going to have vibration throughout the car.

[dbaz]

for example
car: 1990 honda crx (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/2826053333.html)
engine+ tranny: Vancouver Civics Club Forum (http://www.vancouvercivics.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=109236)
thats 4200. for a crx that looks clean from the pic and a good motor from the sounds of it.
say 500 for some good mounts.
1000 for general things to get the engine up and running.(new axels etc)
that leaves you with about 4000 to spend on the suspension.
camber kits, lca's, springs/struts, new bushings +exhaust if you want.

[SumAznGuy]

for example
car: 1990 honda crx (http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/cto/2826053333.html)
engine+ tranny: Vancouver Civics Club Forum (http://www.vancouvercivics.com/forums/viewthread.php?tid=109236)
thats 4200. for a crx that looks clean from the pic and a good motor from the sounds of it.
say 500 for some good mounts.
1000 for general things to get the engine up and running.(new axels etc)
that leaves you with about 4000 to spend on the suspension.
camber kits, lca's, springs/struts, new bushings +exhaust if you want.

Sell the B16 tranny and get this one. (http://www.revscene.net/forums/662174-fs-2001-jdm-s80-lsd-itr-tranny-%241000.html)

$500 for an ASR adjustable rear swaybar if you are serious about autoX.
$200 for new ES bushings
$800-1000 for Koni yellow shocks and Ground Control coilovers

Also, set aside some $$$ for a new steering wheel and quick release hub since the stock wheel is garbage.

$800 for a 5 bolt ITR brake conversion and aother $200 for new pads and SS brake lines

And you'd still have to factor in some $$$ for labour unless you can do it all yourself.

[spoonek4]

Of course it'd be fun to run a B18/B20 or even a Kswap, I won't mind running a D-series in a CRX myself. Seems like D-series never dies no matter how you abuse it and relatively cheap to replace when something goes wrong? I could be wrong, but both these guys runs D-series & looks like it was a whole lot of fun:

NA Vs. Supercharged.mp4 - YouTube

[Lowered_Klass]

Of course it'd be fun to run a B18/B20 or even a Kswap, I won't mind running a D-series in a CRX myself. Seems like D-series never dies no matter how you abuse it and relatively cheap to replace when something goes wrong? I could be wrong, but both these guys runs D-series & looks like it was a whole lot of fun:

It's true. You'll always have WAY more fun driving the piss out of something you don't really care about. You start sinking a ton of money into whatever project, and you get a bit worried you'll bust something.

[!Kodamu]

Or you can save urself money and just get a B20B and change to a shorter ratio gear box.

[kroy546]

wat about a JDM ITR 96 spec?

[BillyBishop]

completely depends on the options the car has as that sounds low from what i was told. my guess is that might not even be a glasstop ef8

Yeah, I doubt it was as loaded as yours was. My only criteria was the glasstop

[1990TSI]

10k for a 20+ year old honda making 185hp....at the motor...

I hope you have the crx already, seeing as how you can get an R32 GTR for that money, or a GTS-T for much less. or an S13 for next to nothing, or add $400 and get a 350z or G35c.



Just a few examples from the nissan world, you could do much better, assuming you don't have the crx already