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Death2Theft
02-06-2012, 11:27 AM
400 Chernobyls: Solar Flares, EMP, and Nuclear Armageddon [Fulll Length Version] | When Technology Fails by Matthew Stein (http://whentechfails.com/node/1545)
There are nearly 450 nuclear reactors in the world, with hundreds more either under construction or in the planning stages. There are 104 of these reactors in the USA and 195 in Europe. Imagine what havoc it would wreak on our civilization and the planet’s ecosystems if we were to suddenly witness not just one or two nuclear melt-downs but 400 or more! How likely is it that our world might experience an event that could ultimately cause hundreds of reactors to fail and melt down at approximately the same time? I venture to say that, unless we take significant protective measures, this apocalyptic scenario is not only possible but probable.

Consider the ongoing problems caused by three reactor core meltdowns, explosions, and breached containment vessels at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi facility, and the subsequent health and environmental issues. Consider the millions of innocent victims that have already died or continue to suffer from horrific radiation-related health problems (“Chernobyl AIDS”, epidemic cancers, chronic fatigue, etc) resulting from the Chernobyl reactor explosions, fires, and fallout. If just two serious nuclear disasters, spaced 25 years apart, could cause such horrendous environmental catastrophes, it is hard to imagine how we could ever hope to recover from hundreds of similar nuclear incidents occurring simultaneously across the planet. Since more than one third of all Americans live within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant, this is a serious issue that should be given top priority![1]



Figure 1. Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), SOHO image, June 9, 2002.



In the past 152 years, Earth has been struck roughly 100 solar storms causing significant geomagnetic disturbances (GMD), two of which were powerful enough to rank as “extreme GMDs”. If an extreme GMD of such magnitude were to occur today, in all likelihood it would initiate a chain of events leading to catastrophic failures at the vast majority of our world’s nuclear reactors, quite similar to the disasters at both Chernobyl and Fukushima, but multiplied over 100 times. When massive solar flares launch a huge mass of highly charged plasma (a coronal mass ejection, or CME) directly towards Earth, colliding with our planet’s outer atmosphere and magnetosphere, the result is a significant geomagnetic disturbance.

Since an extreme GMD of such a potentially disruptive magnitude that it would collapse the grid across most of the US last occurred in May of 1921, long before the advent of modern electronics, widespread electric power grids, and nuclear power plants, we are for the most part blissfully unaware of this threat and totally unprepared for its consequences. The good news is that there are some relatively affordable protective equipment and processes which could be installed to protect critical components in the electric power grid and its nuclear reactors, thereby protecting our civilization from this “end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it” scenario. The bad news is that, as of now, even though panels of scientists and engineers have studied the problem, and the bi-partisan congressional EMP commission has presented a list of specific recommendations to congress, our leaders have yet to approve and implement a single significant preventative measure!

Most of us believe something like this could never happen, and if it could, certainly our “authorities” would do everything in their power to make sure they would prevent such an Apocalypse from ever taking place. Unfortunately, the opposite is true. “How could this happen?” you might ask. “Is this truly possible?” Read and weep, for you will soon know the answer.

Nuclear Power Plants and the Electric Power Grid
Our global system of electrical power generation and distribution (“the grid”), upon which every facet of our modern life is utterly dependent, in its current form is extremely vulnerable to severe geomagnetic storms of a magnitude that tends to strike our planet on an average of approximately once every 70 to 100 years. We depend on this grid to maintain food production and distribution, telecommunications, Internet services, medical services, military defense, transportation, government, water treatment, sewage and garbage removal, refrigeration, oil refining and gas pumping, and to conduct all forms of commerce.

Unfortunately, the world’s nuclear power plants, as they are currently designed, are critically dependent upon maintaining connection to a functioning electrical grid, for all but relatively short periods of electrical blackouts, in order to keep their reactor cores continuously cooled so as to avoid catastrophic reactor core meltdowns and spent fuel rod storage pond fires.

If an extreme GMD were to cause widespread grid collapse (which it most certainly will), in as little as one or two hours after each nuclear reactor facility’s backup generators either fail to start, or run out of fuel, the reactor cores will start to melt down. After a few days without electricity to run the cooling system pumps, the water bath covering the spent fuel rods stored in “spent fuel ponds” will boil away, allowing the stored fuel rods to melt down and burn [2]. Since the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) currently mandates that only one week’s supply of backup generator fuel needs to be stored at each reactor site, it is likely that after we witness the spectacular night-time celestial light show from the next extreme GMD we will have about one week in which to prepare ourselves for Armageddon.

To do nothing is to behave like ostriches with our heads in the sand, blindly believing that “everything will be okay,” as our world inexorably drifts towards the next naturally recurring, 100% inevitable, super solar storm and resultant extreme GMD. The result of which in short order will end the industrialized world as we know it, incurring almost incalculable suffering, death, and environmental destruction on a scale not seen since the extinction of the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago.

The End of “The Grid” As We Know It
There are records from the 1850s to today of roughly one hundred significant geomagnetic solar storms, two of which in the last 25 years were strong enough to cause millions of dollars worth of damage to key components that keep our modern grid powered. In March of 1989, a severe solar storm induced powerful electric currents in grid wiring that fried a main power transformer in the HydroQuebec system, causing a cascading grid failure that knocked out power to 6 million customers for nine hours while also damaging similar transformers in New Jersey and the United Kingdom. More recently, in 2003 a solar storm of lesser intensity, but longer duration, caused a blackout in Sweden and induced powerful currents in the South African grid that severely damaged or destroyed fourteen of their major power transformers, impairing commerce and comfort over major portions of that country as they were forced to resort to massive rolling blackouts that dragged on for many months[3].



Transformer at the Salem Nuclear Plant, damaged by March 1989 solar storm[4].
During the Great Geomagnetic Storm of May 14-15, 1921, brilliant aurora displays were reported in the Northern Hemisphere as far south as Mexico and Puerto Rico, and in the Southern Hemisphere as far north as Samoa[5]. This extreme GMD produced ground currents roughly ten times as strong as the 1989 Quebec incident. Just 62 years earlier, the great granddaddy of recorded GMDs, referred to as “The Carrington Event,” raged from August 28 to September 4, 1859. This extreme GMD induced currents so powerful that telegraph lines, towers, and stations caught on fire at a number of locations around the world. Best estimates are that the Carrington Event was approximately 50% stronger than the Great Geomagnetic Storm of 1921[6]. Since we are headed into an active solar period, much like the one preceding the Carrington Event, scientists are concerned that conditions could be ripe for the next extreme GMD[7].

Prior to the advent of the microchip and modern extra-high-voltage (EHV) transformers (key grid components that were first introduced in the late 1960’s), most electrical systems were relatively robust and resistant to the effects of GMDs. Given the fact that a simple electrostatic spark can fry a microchip, and many thousands of miles of power lines act like giant antennas for capturing massive amounts of GMD spawned electromagnetic energy, the electrical systems of the modern world are far more vulnerable than their predecessors.

A growing number of scientists and engineers have become concerned about the vulnerability of both the grid and modern microelectronics to debilitating damage from severe electromagnetic disturbances. These could come either in the form of naturally occurring extreme GMDs, like what occurred during the 1921 and 1859 super solar storms, or an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) resulting from the deliberate detonation of a nuclear device at a high altitude above the earth.

The federal government recently sponsored a detailed scientific study to more fully understand the extent to which critical components of our national electrical power grid might be effected by either a naturally occurring GMD or a man-made EMP. Under the auspices of the EMP Commission and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and reviewed in depth by the Oakridge National Laboratory and the National Academy of Sciences, Metatech corporation undertook extensive modeling and analysis of the potential effects of extreme geomagnetic storms upon the U.S. electrical power grid. They based their modeling upon a storm of intensity equal to the Great Geomagnetic Storm of 1921. Metatech estimated that within the continental United States alone, these voltage and current spikes combined with harmonic anomalies would severely damage or destroy over 350 EHV power transformers critical to the functioning of the U.S. grid, and possibly well over 2000 EHV transformers worldwide.[8]

EHV transformers are custom designed for each installation and are made to order, weighing as much as 300 tons each, and costing well over US 1$ million each. Given the fact that there is currently a three year waiting list for a single EHV transformer (due to recent demand from China and India, the lead times have grown from one to three years), and that the total global manufacturing capacity is roughly 100 EHV transformers per year when the world’s manufacturing centers are functioning properly, you can begin to grasp the dire implications of this situation.

Drow
02-06-2012, 11:49 AM
I totally read all of that
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cho
02-06-2012, 11:52 AM
solar flares = dbz
emp = invoker in dota
tech failing = missing gaurd tech in ssf4


...:pokerface:

minoru_tanaka
02-06-2012, 12:08 PM
solar flares = dbz
emp = invoker in dota
tech failing = missing gaurd tech in ssf4


No the emps are cause I can finally get 18 kills

kwy
02-06-2012, 01:17 PM
http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/ali2.jpg

godwin
02-06-2012, 01:27 PM
Yet another 2000ish scare.. Yes, the grid will fail.. Since we know when the solar flares will hit Earth.. not just predict but we know. It is rather simple to just unplug / decrease our demand for the said time, and replug the connection when it is over.

So we just need people at each nuclear station to manually switch over to the failover generators / power supply (especially in the US with so many people out of work, and in China with so many people who want work).. As long as things are not plugged into the grid they will be fine.. No solar flares won't "fry" any electronics by itself.

Man people to switchover to failover system, problem solved.. no need for freaking long piece of drivel.

EvoFire
02-06-2012, 04:34 PM
Scare piece.... nuff said. Make it sound scary so people will buy his book

TekDragon
02-06-2012, 05:06 PM
As said, we know about this. We can predict when they'll happen. We also happen to have tech to protect against this. Go figure.

Radiation hardening - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening)

noventa
02-06-2012, 06:12 PM
we should stop going outside. you know, just in case we get hit by lightning!

flagella
02-06-2012, 06:18 PM
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/198/460/iwkoqt.gif

Mr.C
02-06-2012, 08:34 PM
Newsflash: We will all die someday.

StaxBundlez
02-06-2012, 08:37 PM
I would say something if I didn't have so much work to do.

Death2Theft
02-06-2012, 09:37 PM
So is this something new that we can now all of a sudden predict when to shut off things to the flares dont fuck up circuits? Didn't seem like they were able to that at a few of the nuclear stations in the past.

Death2Theft
02-07-2012, 08:32 AM
From the original link:

Most of us tend to believe that a nuclear reactor is something that can be shut down in short order, like some massive piece of machinery that can be turned off by simply flipping a switch, or by performing a series of operations in a prescribed manner over a relatively short time, such as a few hours or perhaps a day or two. In spite of my MIT education (BSME, MIT, 1978), until recently I too was under the spell of this comforting delusion, which is far from the truth. You see, the trillions of chain reactions going on inside a nuclear reactor’s core continuously produce such incredible amounts of energy that a single nuclear power plant can generate more electricity than is required to power a good sized city. Unfortunately, these reactions do not simply “cease fire” at the flip of a switch. In general, it takes 5 to 7 days to slow down a reactor core’s nuclear chain reactions to the point where the core may be removed from the reactor.

Inside the affected area, an EMP’s E3 effect would cause a similar degree of damage to the EHV transformers as that from an extreme GMD, but the E1 and E2 effects would cause far greater damage to electronic control systems than that from a GMD of similar intensity. Contrary to popular opinion, most personal electronic devices would probably survive with little or no damage, especially if they were not turned on at the moment of EMP, as would most automobiles. However, most complex electronic systems that contained digital microchips in combination with long runs of Ethernet cables (or other interconnecting cabling) which act like antennas for receiving EMP induced voltage spikes, would experience nearly 100% failure! [20]

In October of 1962, the Soviet Union conducted three above ground nuclear tests over Kazahhstan to study the effects of EMP. Due to its more northerly location, the EMP effects at the Kazahhstan test site were several times stronger than those observed during the more well known “Starfish Prime” nuclear test, where the U.S. military detonated a 1.4 megaton nuclear device in July of 1962, 250 miles above Johnston Island, which is 900 miles south of Honolulu, HI. During the Soviet EMP tests, massive current spikes were induced in a 600 mile (1000 kilometer) long high-voltage power line that was buried six feet (two meters) underground. Massive induced currents caused a fire in the Karaganda power plant at the far end of the line, burning it to the ground. In anticipation of power outages caused by the EMP tests, the Russian military had preplaced a backup diesel generators on site, but many of these generators were damaged by the EMP blast and would not start prior to being repaired. Located at great distances from the test site ground zero, several military radar units were also disabled by the EMP. Due to the use of solid-state devices containing microchips, today’s electrical devices are generally far less resistant to EMP damage than the devices in use during these EMP tests that took place back in the early 1960’s. In today’s world, scientists predict that within the heavily affected area an EMP strike would cripple many backup power systems along with the vast majority of digital electronic control systems.

StaxBundlez
02-07-2012, 11:29 PM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgnt2wJzH81qaewwbo1_400.jpg

Death2Theft
02-08-2012, 08:43 AM
Thats the disturbing part the tech there costs half a stealth bomber to protect these million dollar takes 3 years to custom build transformers but instead they would rather let politicians waste that money on war on Iran. If we do get a 1921 or 1859 style solar flare 1/3rd of the US is fucked for 3 years and thats IF they somehow manage to keep the emergency generators going for 3 years without leaking radiation, with only 1 weeks supply of diesel on site. Good luck with that.
As said, we know about this. We can predict when they'll happen. We also happen to have tech to protect against this. Go figure.

Radiation hardening - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening)

goo3
02-08-2012, 08:19 PM
You're an idiot.

Death2Theft
02-09-2012, 07:49 AM
State your facts and reasons.

Death2Theft
02-09-2012, 10:30 PM
So I quote direct paragraphs from the article that counters all your points about just being able to "turn things off" and how the safety measures are inadequate yet the best you can do is fire off a one liner with no support and call me names?

Excelsis
02-09-2012, 10:34 PM
who cares if there's an emp? if shit happens let it happen, i'd want to see nasa shoot a missile towards the flare and stop it...

yeah not going to happen

Death2Theft
02-10-2012, 07:25 AM
Thats not the point, the prevention and safety measures that can be taken now are quite simple but just like the levees in new orleans they are neglecting them.

Death2Theft
02-24-2012, 12:02 PM
Yes because the average unemployed population will know the procedure to shut down a nuclear reactor. How long do you think you can keep a reactor offline and properly cooled for when the entire grid is fried and the ehv transformers are blown (which takes on average 3 years to build to custom spec) With one weeks diesel supply at each nuclear plant to cool it, I'm sure you also know that in a grid down situation the gasoline/diesel pumps wont even work. Address those two key points and i'd glady put the tin foil hat down.
Yet another 2000ish scare.. Yes, the grid will fail.. Since we know when the solar flares will hit Earth.. not just predict but we know. It is rather simple to just unplug / decrease our demand for the said time, and replug the connection when it is over.

So we just need people at each nuclear station to manually switch over to the failover generators / power supply (especially in the US with so many people out of work, and in China with so many people who want work).. As long as things are not plugged into the grid they will be fine.. No solar flares won't "fry" any electronics by itself.

Man people to switchover to failover system, problem solved.. no need for freaking long piece of drivel.




I would say something if I didn't have so much work to do.

Dont let that stop you.

Mr.C
02-24-2012, 12:16 PM
I haven't been here long, but whenever I see these tinfoil hat threads, it's always you. Why bother? Clearly, nobody here cares. Most of the situations you post about, we are fucked anyway if they happen, and nothing really will change it.

Like I posted before, we all die someday. I would stop worrying, dude. Seriously. When a solar flare happens, and if it ushers in a nuclear apocalypse, well, I hope you enjoyed life up until then, and not worried about "what-if" scenarios.

Death2Theft
02-24-2012, 09:47 PM
Maybe for the slight chance of a logical discussion? Or a chance to learn something new? I guess you just come to RS for fat ass flashing on skytrain threads.

niu99
02-24-2012, 10:25 PM
solar flares are caused by abnormal amount of highly active sunspots caused by magnetic storms on the sun. and every solar maximum year there will be unexplainable occurrences on earth whether it would be climate, current circulations or in this case technology failures. we don't have an explanation to what causes this strange phenomenon.

Soundy
02-24-2012, 10:41 PM
So I quote direct paragraphs from the article that counters all your points about just being able to "turn things off" and how the safety measures are inadequate yet the best you can do is fire off a one liner with no support and call me names?

Direct quotes of bullshit are still bullshit themselves.


State your facts and reasons.
Fact: you're an idiot.
Reason: you're an idiot.

/thread.

StylinRed
02-24-2012, 10:49 PM
tldr version?


sounds like this is an anti-nuclear reactor article

and it draws a doomsday scenario where some rare event will be the catalyst ?



there are bigger worries imo with more realistic risks like the financial collapse of Europe and USA

and the USA starting more wars to try and offset their collapse which will result in countless more civilian deaths "oh tragic but necessary"

world hunger and malnutrition killing over 20,000 children a day in this day and age...

there's been far more death and tragic circumstances in peoples lives as a direct result of the above noted than some doomsday scenario straight out of a cheesy hollywood scifi script will ever cause... even if there was a remote chance of it coming true there are bigger issues that you can do something about to help put an end to

hillmar
02-25-2012, 07:45 AM
Simple Version::grenade:
Are We Sitting Ducks for Solar Flares? (Michio Kaku) - YouTube

Death2Theft
02-25-2012, 08:15 AM
What exactly would you do in a situation where the grid goes down and you have 400 potential chernobyl's around the globe? The frustrating part is the fix is relatively cheap (2 billion) having extra parts on hand and 1 year of fuel vs 1 week..... compared to world hunger or any other such crisis, this really is peanuts in cost.

Having retards like Soundy being pro nuclear without fuck all for facts/knowledge doesn't help things either thinking everything is safe.

India has certainly taken the right step with thorium reactors instead of nuclear, what most people dont realize is that the nuclear plants were designed for 20 year life spans and most are already pushing 40+. Yet switching to thorium would give people no chance of weaponization.
tldr version?


sounds like this is an anti-nuclear reactor article

and it draws a doomsday scenario where some rare event will be the catalyst ?



there are bigger worries imo with more realistic risks like the financial collapse of Europe and USA

and the USA starting more wars to try and offset their collapse which will result in countless more civilian deaths "oh tragic but necessary"

world hunger and malnutrition killing over 20,000 children a day in this day and age...

there's been far more death and tragic circumstances in peoples lives as a direct result of the above noted than some doomsday scenario straight out of a cheesy hollywood scifi script will ever cause... even if there was a remote chance of it coming true there are bigger issues that you can do something about to help put an end to

Soundy
02-25-2012, 08:20 AM
Having retards like Soundy being pro nuclear without fuck all for knowledge doesn't help things either thinking everything is safe.
:noob:

Bullshit you read on internet conspiracy websites is not "knowledge". It's bullshit.

India has certainly taken the right step with thorium reactors instead of nuclear, what most people dont realize is that the nuclear plants were designed for 20 year life spans and most are already pushing 40+. Yet switching to thorium would give people no chance of weaponization.
Right, that's why Israel is so chill about India's nuclear program. :pokerface:

Death2Theft
02-25-2012, 08:25 AM
India only has 1/3 thorium. It is however a step in the right direction. So just because a "conspiracy" site says the sky is blue you can choose to ignore it? Perhaps if the guy bum collecting bottles told you that water can turn to ice, you'd also disregard it as a conspiracy theory? Do yourself a favor and go back to whatever reality tv series you were lost in. The rest of us living in the real world care about real things.
:noob:

Bullshit you read on internet conspiracy websites is not "knowledge". It's bullshit.


Right, that's why Israel is so chill about India's nuclear program. :pokerface:

Soundy
02-25-2012, 08:43 AM
"The rest of us" WHO? I don't see one other post in this thread that agrees with you or thinks you're even marginally sane.

Brianrietta
02-25-2012, 11:47 AM
So just because a "conspiracy" site says the sky is blue you can choose to ignore it? Perhaps if the guy bum collecting bottles told you that water can turn to ice, you'd also disregard it as a conspiracy theory? Do yourself a favor and go back to whatever reality tv series you were lost in. The rest of us living in the real world care about real things.

:facepalm:

Soundy
02-25-2012, 12:24 PM
So just because a "conspiracy" site says the sky is blue you can choose to ignore it?
What color IS the sky in your world, anyway?

flagella
02-25-2012, 01:03 PM
what is this i don't even...

StylinRed
02-25-2012, 02:20 PM
What exactly would you do in a situation where the grid goes down and you have 400 potential chernobyl's around the globe? The frustrating part is the fix is relatively cheap (2 billion) having extra parts on hand and 1 year of fuel vs 1 week..... compared to world hunger or any other such crisis, this really is peanuts in cost.

$2bn for each plant? or for all of them? if its $2bn for each plant you can see why no1 would want to :) and in 152 years only 2 events were ever considered a threat? aren't Nuclear reactors shielded against EMP issues anyhow? so why waste so much $$$ planning for a significantly rare event that probably wouldn't even affect these sites?

isnt a years supply of fuel really on hand if its needed? with oil reserves and refineries almost everywhere?


this "issue" really sounds like those "science" related shows about Mega Tsunamis that could wipe out the East Coast of North America

or extinction events that could wipe out life like it did the dinosaurs

or even "the big one" for us here in Vancouver... it could happen any day now... or 500 years from now.... -_-




as for weaponization (a totally different issue/argument) from nuclear reactors -> nuclear weapons... bfd? countries are going to seek out nukes as deterrents no country has ever used their nukes except America but too bad they already have them and no1 is going to do anything about that
But even the craziest batshit nutjobs (North Korea) wouldn't use their nukes and I dont believe there's another country/leader out there crazier than the Kims ;)

look @ what happens when you dont have a nuke, you get bullied and picked off when a stronger country wants what you got... so what do these smaller weaker countries see as a necessity to their survival? a nuclear weapon, and if they feel threatened their going to pursue that even more... want to stop countries from getting nukes? don't give them a reason to seek one out...stop picking them off 1-by-1 for your own amusement/needs

Death2Theft
02-25-2012, 07:56 PM
Hey 48 out of 65 sites leaking ain't bad. Oh but I guess msnbc is a conspiracy site.

Radioactive tritium leaks found at 48 US nuke sites - US news - Environment - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43475479/ns/us_news-)
environment/t/radioactive-tritium-leaks-found-us-nuke-sites/
US has one of the highest rates of cancer if not the highest, but surely there is no link.
I guess "idiots" like you wont realize something is bad for you unless it kills you right away.
I can tell you the color of your sky. Dog shit brown so dark you can't even see out of it, for one second to come up with some facts.


A mememe response with no facts is just as good as no response. Continue to flame away but until you come up with some facts theres no real point in responding.
What color IS the sky in your world, anyway?

Death2Theft
02-25-2012, 08:03 PM
2 billion covers all the us plants iirc.
Even if they were shielded the issue here is what do you do once you shut them off and the power has no where to go? It takes 3-5 years to cool the radiactive material, with no grid in place how are they going to cool it?
When you can't even pay for transactions with a credit card because the phone lines are down how and the fuel pumps which are powered by the grid down. How on earth are you going to keep topping 400 plants off weekly?

Of course worst case scenario is we get a super bad event like the one in the 1800's that would literally mean 400 plants going chernoybl on you. If that isn't an extinction threat I dont know what is.
However at this point we can only hope that it's a moderately bad event and a few plants get fucked up and people see the danger.

As far as the weaponization aspect I was more hoping people wouldn't use the "i have a nuke too" excuse and stop dumping money into nukes when there are safer alternative energy sources. Unfortunately with the US throwing it's weight around, that may never happen.
$2bn for each plant? or for all of them? if its $2bn for each plant you can see why no1 would want to :) and in 152 years only 2 events were ever considered a threat? aren't Nuclear reactors shielded against EMP issues anyhow? so why waste so much $$$ planning for a significantly rare event that probably wouldn't even affect these sites?

isnt a years supply of fuel really on hand if its needed? with oil reserves and refineries almost everywhere?


this "issue" really sounds like those "science" related shows about Mega Tsunamis that could wipe out the East Coast of North America

or extinction events that could wipe out life like it did the dinosaurs

or even "the big one" for us here in Vancouver... it could happen any day now... or 500 years from now.... -_-




as for weaponization (a totally different issue/argument) from nuclear reactors -> nuclear weapons... bfd? countries are going to seek out nukes as deterrents no country has ever used their nukes except America but too bad they already have them and no1 is going to do anything about that
But even the craziest batshit nutjobs (North Korea) wouldn't use their nukes and I dont believe there's another country/leader out there crazier than the Kims ;)

look @ what happens when you dont have a nuke, you get bullied and picked off when a stronger country wants what you got... so what do these smaller weaker countries see as a necessity to their survival? a nuclear weapon, and if they feel threatened their going to pursue that even more... want to stop countries from getting nukes? don't give them a reason to seek one out...stop picking them off 1-by-1 for your own amusement/needs

Brianrietta
02-25-2012, 09:09 PM
What color IS the sky in your world, anyway?

Doesn't matter. In D2T's world, the sky is falling. :whistle:

until you come up with some facts theres no real point in responding

Which is basically how everyone else feels when they contemplate responding to you. Face it, no amount of facts that we could provide you with is going to change your mind since you'll insist that they're all being provided as part of an elaborate coverup or mainstream lies. And since your "facts" are largely provided by crackpots who are routinely laughed out of the proper scientific community so there's really no reason for us to pay attention to them.

Anyways, in the highly unlikely event that we all die as a result of something that you've predicted, I will concede at that time that you were bound to be right about something sooner or later.

Soundy
02-25-2012, 10:10 PM
Hey 48 out of 65 sites leaking ain't bad. Oh but I guess msnbc is a conspiracy site.

Radioactive tritium leaks found at 48 US nuke sites - US news - Environment - msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43475479/ns/us_news-)
How did we get from solar flares to this?

Wait, I thought tritium was supposed to be safer than uranium anyway, so what's the big deal? Either it's nasty shit, or it ain't.

US has one of the highest rates of cancer if not the highest, but surely there is no link.
No, you're right, it's ALL linked to nuke plants... it has nothing to do with any other sorts of contaminants, and CERTAINLY nothing to do with their overall lifestyle.

A mememe response with no facts is just as good as no response. Continue to flame away but until you come up with some facts theres no real point in responding.
Backatcha. In case you missed it the last two times: just because you quoted bullshit off the internet, doesn't make it not bullshit.

BTW, here are some FACTS to chew on: Nuclear power by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country#List_of_nuclear_reactors_ by_country)

The US, at the time of this article, had 104 nuclear plants, to 55 in Japan. Japan, however, covers about 378,000 km^2, to the continental US's ~8 million, meaning Japan is about 1/20th the land area of the US, yet has about half the number of nuke plants.

In other words, the DENSITY of nuke plants in Japan is TEN TIMES higher than in the US. If they were such a massive cause of cancer, one would expect the rate of cancer to be TEN TIMES higher in Japan, no?

Yet the US claims 335 cancer cases per 100,000 population, while Japan reports about 201 (source: Cancer Rates In The USA Compared To Japan (http://healthhubs.net/cancer/cancer-rates-in-the-usa-compared-to-japan/))

What does this suggest?

Right: that Americans have been abusing their own bodies with all kinds of shit for generations and that has FAR more to do with the high cancer rates, than anything to do with nuclear power plants.

StaxBundlez
02-26-2012, 12:27 AM
Simple Version::grenade:
Are We Sitting Ducks for Solar Flares? (Michio Kaku) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW8Rsil0lqk)

this is actually a real problem; we learned about this type of stuff in IT. It can actually cause billions of dollars in damage to infrastructure.

StaxBundlez
02-26-2012, 12:30 AM
Solar Maximum Cycle 24 (When Will the Next Carrington Event Happen?) You Ready? - YouTube

Death2Theft
02-26-2012, 09:10 AM
Well of course since you never read any "propaganda conspiracy theory bullshit" you'd know this is exactly what the article warns about.

Who do you think has older nuclear plants? Japan that was still in disbelief after the nukes were dropped on them? Or the states that already possessed the technology? Sorry pal, you may as well stick to random flaming if you can't even read the "bs article" to argue how it's wrong. This is about aging plants working beyond their expected life cycle and falling into disrepair thus leaking radiation.

Keep on hating.
How did we get from solar flares to this?

Wait, I thought tritium was supposed to be safer than uranium anyway, so what's the big deal? Either it's nasty shit, or it ain't.


No, you're right, it's ALL linked to nuke plants... it has nothing to do with any other sorts of contaminants, and CERTAINLY nothing to do with their overall lifestyle.


Backatcha. In case you missed it the last two times: just because you quoted bullshit off the internet, doesn't make it not bullshit.

BTW, here are some FACTS to chew on: Nuclear power by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_by_country#List_of_nuclear_reactors_ by_country)

The US, at the time of this article, had 104 nuclear plants, to 55 in Japan. Japan, however, covers about 378,000 km^2, to the continental US's ~8 million, meaning Japan is about 1/20th the land area of the US, yet has about half the number of nuke plants.

In other words, the DENSITY of nuke plants in Japan is TEN TIMES higher than in the US. If they were such a massive cause of cancer, one would expect the rate of cancer to be TEN TIMES higher in Japan, no?

Yet the US claims 335 cancer cases per 100,000 population, while Japan reports about 201 (source: Cancer Rates In The USA Compared To Japan (http://healthhubs.net/cancer/cancer-rates-in-the-usa-compared-to-japan/))

What does this suggest?

Right: that Americans have been abusing their own bodies with all kinds of shit for generations and that has FAR more to do with the high cancer rates, than anything to do with nuclear power plants.

european
03-08-2012, 07:08 AM
Not sure if this is the right place to be posting this but didn't want to start a new thread since something was already created.

SOLAR FLARE!!
I saw it on the news this morning and I got a bit excited as I watched an old documentary about this kind of thing many years ago as well as learned a bit about it from school.

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2012/07mar12/x5_b.jpg

http://www.spaceweather.com/images2012/07mar12/cme_c3.gif

http://iswa.gsfc.nasa.gov/downloads/20120307_014400_anim.tim-den.gif

Big sunspot AR1429 has unleashed another major flare. This one is the strongest yet, an X5-class eruption on March 7th at 00:28 UT. NASA's Solar Dynamics Observatory recorded the extreme UV flash

This eruption hurled a bright CME into space, shown here in a movie from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory. Analysts at the Goddard Space Weather Lab estimate that the CME will reach Earth on March 8th at 0625 UT (+/- 7 hr), possibly triggering a strong-to-severe geomagnetic storm. An animated forecast track shows the progression of the fast-moving cloud.

The flare also accelerated energetic protons toward Earth, triggering an S3-class solar radiation storm, in progress. Such a storm is mainly a nuisance to satellites, causing occasional reboots of onboard computers and adding noise to imaging systems. Solar flare alerts: text, phone.

3-day GOES Proton Flux Monitor (http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/rt_plots/pro_3d.html)

More info here... http://www.spaceweather.com/

Pretty neat!

My question is... do you guys think we'll be able to see some type of aurora borealis effect around the lower mainland? Perhaps further away from the city where you can see it a bit more clearly? Cause I wanna snap some photos :D

Soundy
03-08-2012, 07:34 AM
Fak, D2T better double-layer his tinfoil hat before his brain reboots!

Prolowtone
03-08-2012, 07:56 AM
My question is... do you guys think we'll be able to see some type of aurora borealis effect around the lower mainland? Perhaps further away from the city where you can see it a bit more clearly? Cause I wanna snap some photos :D

Is there already a revscene meet for this? :alonehappy:

Berzerker
03-08-2012, 08:23 AM
NASA SDO - X5.4-class Solar Flare, March 7, 2012 - YouTube

This happened last night....

Berz out.

vietzation
03-09-2012, 09:13 PM
Did anyones electronics get affected?
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european
03-09-2012, 10:42 PM
^
Nope. Not sure if anyone else around the globe had any major effects as I did not hear anything on the news nor did I really pay attention. I just wanted to see some type of Northern Light effect. Oh well. Looks like my trip up north is still a go.

Obsideon
03-09-2012, 11:46 PM
Clicked into the thread, skipped the first block of text ... read up to "In the past 152 years," ... saw the rest of the wall of text ... scrolled down to see the collection of epic TL;DR meme's lol ... oh and Spiderman made me literally laugh uncontrollably haha ...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/11759591.jpg

Death2Theft
03-10-2012, 09:46 AM
Most personal electronics won't be affected by any solar flare its the grid that you have to worry about
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Ikkaku
03-10-2012, 12:23 PM
I'm surprised nobody posted anything of this sort

http://webspace.webring.com/people/xd/db_legends/Pictures/solar.gif

european
03-10-2012, 12:46 PM
^
:lol