[F30]

Test drove a new 328i sedan (2012 model) and was blown away. Handling was great, looks stunning inside out. Maybe it's time to change my car.

Hard decision, should I spend the extra to get 335i?

Thoughts?
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[freakshow]

Get a used 2012 335.. best of both worlds

[pastarocket]

If you want the better performance from the 335i's twin turbo 6 cylinder engine, then buy the 335i. What's your budget?

[NLY]

328i - 4 cylinder turbo
335i - 6 cylinder turbo

Power (SAE hp @ rpm)
180(245) @ 5,000-6,500 225(306) @ 5,800-6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)
350 @ 1,250-4,800 400 @ 1,200-5,000



Personally I would go with the 335i just because of the numbers. If you're using it as a daily within the city then the 328i should be fine. I hate to thread jack but have you thought about the Lexus IS350? I've got a 2007 and it's got tons of power when you need it. I picked it over the 330i because of overall quality, maintenance and reliability.

[PornMaster]

328 is more than enough for a daily driver
you test drove it and it blew you away why pay more for a bit of performance?

[PornMaster]

335i - twin turbo inline 6 producing 300 HP / 300 torque, Direct fuel injection.

328i - six cylinder producing 230 HP / 200 torque

328i - 4 cylinder turbo
335i - 6 cylinder turbo

Power (SAE hp @ rpm)
180(245) @ 5,000-6,500 225(306) @ 5,800-6,000
Torque (lb-ft @ rpm)
350 @ 1,250-4,800 400 @ 1,200-5,000

[Redlines_Daily]

whats the price difference? Personally I would go with the 335, but get the car that best suits you. If you like the 328 and it has enough power for you then go for it!

[F30]

328 is more than enough for a daily driver
you test drove it and it blew you away why pay more for a bit of performance?

I'm driving an Altima SER 6 speed manual, when I bought it in 2005/06 I chose it for the extra performance. I've pampered it since, but don't feel that I ever truly had the need for that extra performance. This time I'm leaning towards a more practical choice. Yet, I don't know if I'll regret it a few month later, wanting that extra power.

There is also a question of looks, the 335 has dual exhaust pipes, which look better IMO than 328.

Edit: price difference 8k, so it's significant.
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[Energy]

Get the 335i if you can. Because you have to ask, it means you'll regret not getting it later on. You don't want to second guess yourself for getting the base model after awhile.

If you have the 328i, you'll always be reminded that you could have had more power even if you don't need it.
If you have the 335i, you have the extra power and even if you don't need it you won't be telling yourself, "oh I don't need this much power".

[TOPEC]

If you want the better performance from the 335i's twin turbo 6 cylinder engine, then buy the 335i. What's your budget?

no twin turbo 335 for a few years already

[F30]

Get the 335i if you can. Because you have to ask, it means you'll regret not getting it later on. You don't want to second guess yourself for getting the base model after awhile.

If you have the 328i, you'll always be reminded that you could have had more power even if you don't need it.
If you have the 335i, you have the extra power and even if you don't need it you won't be telling yourself, "oh I don't need this much power".

Lol, I guess the fact that I'm making a thread about this means you may be right.
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[wstce92]

Depends what you want; are you going to keep it stock? are you going to mod? if you're going to mod, would buying a 335i max you out; aka no money to mod a 335i? or do you have the cash to mod either?

Choosing between 328i and 335i is different this time around.
for e90 it was a no brainer if you had the cash; but with the new turbo 4, you should definitely sit down and think about it.
For a F30, manual, Sports/M-Sports package spec'd 328i and 335i; they'll practically be identical save the engine. But for the less than the difference between the two, you'll be able to bump the 328i to around the power of the 335i. And as a added bonus, the 328i will be lighter (handling!).

A tuned 335i, of course, would be on another level.

If you only like your cars stock, as fast as the new 328i's are, if you have to ask, you're probably going to end up regretting you didn't get the faster 335i.

[Mashimaro]

Have you considered the Sport version of the new 2012?

i had a chance to drive them before they were launched and it actually looks great in the Red Sport version.

the Modern is ok, Luxury adds chrome trim with a different front bumper but the Sport is much more aggressive looking (short of the M-Sport package due this summer).

i think you should go for the 335i instead of the 328 like the others have stated. :)

[F30]

I like my cars stock, but I usually get them fully loaded.

The car I test drove was sport line, and I agree that it looks best, more aggressive.

I didn't even think about M-Sport, that may be worth the wait! Did they reveal the look of those yet?
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[Mashimaro]

I believe there are pictures of a blue one online already. Very aggressive front end, has a blue stripe on the dash as well as the key fob.
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[noLie]

http://images.askmen.com/daily/photo_blog/toss-a-coin-large-image.jpg

[kkttsang]

with the new f30 328i you already get like 241hp and 258lb of torque. So is an extra 6000$ worth it for the extra 300hp/300lb. Or use some of that 6000$ to get some of the option that you will use and that you like. There are some pretty wow factor options out there for this generation, like the heads up display. And the sound package is a must have too compare to the stock stereo.

Go and test drive a 335i and see the difference, if you really love it and blows you away then there you go, but if its meh, then go with the 328i.

i am excited for you man, getting a new car is always fun and exciting. keep us updated.

[Dinan3]

The new body style is really growing on me. I'm really liking the 4 cyl turbo. Fuel efficient and quick. Sport trim looks best.

[PornMaster]

Lol, I guess the fact that I'm making a thread about this means you may be right.
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if your thinking that mentality might as well wait for the new m3 because if you have a 335 and a m3 pulls up, you ll hang urself

[Energy]

^ But his choices today don't include the M3 so he doesn't need to worry about that.

[alcoolaid]

if your thinking that mentality might as well wait for the new m3 because if you have a 335 and a m3 pulls up, you ll hang urself
But if you have that mentality then when you're in that price territory, there are many other choices too.

[F30]

This is what I'm thinking:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=594073&d=1318772680



See more here: F30 3 Series Sport, Modern, and Luxury Lines detailed and compared - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=598632)
http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=594164&d=1318783713
http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=594165&d=1318783713
http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=594172&d=1318783713

Pretty stoked about it...

edit: found 335i back end :)
http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/3/f30/sportline/P90083283.jpg
Compared to 328i
http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/3/f30/spain/328i/040_328i.jpg

[kkttsang]

from the dash pictures looks like they put the temperature gauge back into the 328i, i guess its because its a turbo engine so its more important, i hated how in the e90 328i there are no temperature gauge which is pretty lame. theres a km/100l gauge instead also useless.

Seems like they are trying to bring the red and blue back into the trend, instead of just black white and silver.

The red or blue looks sick.

[Harvey Specter]

I'm heading to the open house this weekend at Autowest to check out the new 3 series. I would wait until the m package is available, the m package looks amazing.

[ScizzMoney]

...Edit: price difference 8k, so it's significant.
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If 8k is significant to you, I assume your budget is screaming to you to get the 28 or to keep your existing car.

[tofu1413]

like the E90 generation... waiting a little longer for more stuff to come out is worth it.

M sport cars pkg are scheduled to arrive around june to july.

Go for a drive, see if you like it.


the twin scroll 2.0 4 banger gives plenty of punch around town actually. its quite torquey at low revs and gives quite the wooosh.

[HonestTea]

I'm gonna pick a 328i with Sports Line next year myself, can't wait. Hope they include the Paddle shifters + 2TB Sports Automatic for MY2013. Only thing that's stopping me from getting a MY2012 is the paddle shifters + Sports Automatic. :(

If you're picking up a MY2012, get the 328i. I wouldn't be surprised if the 335i gets a power-bump later on, maybe at LCI? But some people are speculating that, their might be a power bump when the coupe arrives next year.

I'm heading to the open house this weekend at Autowest to check out the new 3 series. I would wait until the m package is available, the m package looks amazing.

One thing I dislike about the M-Sport is the wheel..not feeling it at all. Just my opinion though lol

[F30]

HonestTea, I feel the same, M-Sport wheel isn't doing it for me.

Waiting is an option, but there is always something newer and better in the future, right? Might as well just pick something you like when you like it and be happy with it.

Why do you care about paddle shifters? Would you really use them? If you really like such control, why not get a manual?

[HonestTea]

HonestTea, I feel the same, M-Sport wheel isn't doing it for me.

Waiting is an option, but there is always something newer and better in the future, right? Might as well just pick something you like when you like it and be happy with it.

Why do you care about paddle shifters? Would you really use them? If you really like such control, why not get a manual?

Well, the paddles do shift noticeable quickly than than the standard original up/down shifter. Plus it's just so much more fun using paddles and it kind of resembles F1 :) it's no DCT or M-DCT but it's still pretty fun, you should try it, although it's only for the 335i for now in Canada. It suck's that BMWNA is offering it on both the 328/335 in the states.

Secondly, for the 328 ZSL, their isn't the 2TB option, which means Sports automatic, means more aggressive and sporty shifts.

2TB is the option you need as it has sportier shifting programming, a nicer shift lever and the wheel-mounted paddles you mention.

Edit: To be honest, it's usually not a deal breaker for most buyers but I really want paddle shifters, I'm probably a one-off LOL scenario, so I'd rather wait, not in a hurry to purchase a car :)

[F30]

When I test drove the 328i it had a button for three modes of driving: sport, comfort and economy.
8 speed automatic shifted fast, sport mode kept the revs higher between gears and economy - lower, which makes sense.

Why don't you get a manual? I've been driving a manual all my life (but since this car will be a daily driver and I am ready for a change... I decided to change to automatic). You may like it a lot more than pedal shifters!

[HonestTea]

When I test drove the 328i it had a button for three modes of driving: sport, comfort and economy.
8 speed automatic shifted fast, sport mode kept the revs higher between gears and economy - lower, which makes sense.

Why don't you get a manual? I've been driving a manual all my life (but since this car will be a daily driver and I am ready for a change... I decided to change to automatic). You may like it a lot more than pedal shifters!

I'm the only one that knows how to drive manual in the family, so it'd be a nuisance if I need them to drive the car or if they want to take the car out :)

[tofu1413]

funny... the X1 with sport pkg does get paddle shifters... whereas the 328i sport isnt offered with it yet...

[dealt]

In dealerships in September.

http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/3/f30/naias/msport/IMG_6400.JPG

[cococly]

The new 3 series sedan looks very much like the current 5 series, espeically the rear.

Guess what this is without cheating:

http://www.motorcarwin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2012-BMW-5-Series-Rear-Angel-View.jpg

[Sky_High]

For those of you who haven't seen the different lines:

Sport:
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/bmw_lines/bmw_lines_sport_01.jpg

Luxury:
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/bmw_lines/bmw_lines_luxury_01.jpg

Modern:
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/bmw_lines/bmw_lines_modern_01.jpg


Sport:
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/bmw_lines/bmw_lines_sport_04.jpg

Luxury:
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/bmw_lines/bmw_lines_luxury_03.jpg

Modern:
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/bmw_lines/bmw_lines_modern_04.jpg


And...M-Sport:
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/m_sport_package/m_sport_package_01.jpg
http://www.bmw.ca/_common/shared/newvehicles/3series/sedan/2011/showroom/linesandpackages/m_sport_package/m_sport_package_02.jpg

[!SG]

07-11 used the twin turbo set up

2012 switched to the twin scroll set up (single turbo)

i think its for the better, the twin turbo had high pressure fuel pump issues. but bmw will honor an 8 year warranty towards them

but then, the new 2012 models just came out, new body styling, i think they named these chassis f30 or something now.


no twin turbo 335 for a few years already

[Z3guy]

with the new f30 328i you already get like 241hp and 258lb of torque. So is an extra 6000$ worth it for the extra 300hp/300lb. Or use some of that 6000$ to get some of the option that you will use and that you like. There are some pretty wow factor options out there for this generation, like the heads up display. And the sound package is a must have too compare to the stock stereo.

Go and test drive a 335i and see the difference, if you really love it and blows you away then there you go, but if its meh, then go with the 328i.

i am excited for you man, getting a new car is always fun and exciting. keep us updated.

I have driven many 335i and I have a 2012 A4 2.0L turbo. My A4 has 258lbs of torque, which sounds great on paper, but in the real world, it is gutless Vs BMW 3L TT. If you have an open road and you just mash the throttle, th 4cyl turbos will get off the line quite well. However, in real world driving with traffic, the hint of turbo lag and being caught in the wrong gear really sucks.

My assumption the F30 328i will drive like a 6cyl and the 3L TT will drive like a big V8

[xilley]

I have driven many 335i and I have a 2012 A4 2.0L turbo. My A4 has 258lbs of torque, which sounds great on paper, but in the real world, it is gutless Vs BMW 3L TT. If you have an open road and you just mash the throttle, th 4cyl turbos will get off the line quite well. However, in real world driving with traffic, the hint of turbo lag and being caught in the wrong gear really sucks.

My assumption the F30 328i will drive like a 6cyl and the 3L TT will drive like a big V8

I like your car list :drool

and for OP, get the 335i if you can, as theres going to be a day where your going to think " fuck why didnt i get the 335i, the 328i is so slow and just not as cool as the 335i, not to mention the m3 thats going to come out soon"

[HondaCrv]

328i msport. If youre not goin to track, the 4cyl turbo is plenty for city/hwy. BUT being a brand new motor to the bmw line and being turbo at that, expect to have problems (you'll have warranty anyways).

Also, reviews stated mpg is comparable to a camry :)
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[too_slow]

328i msport. If youre not goin to track, the 4cyl turbo is plenty for city/hwy. BUT being a brand new motor to the bmw line and being turbo at that, expect to have problems (you'll have warranty anyways).

Also, reviews stated mpg is comparable to a camry :)
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Yeah, but they were comparing it to the 3.5 DI V6 on the Camry, even though the Camry has an extra 50hp and burns regular. The Camry V6 (hell even the Rav4 V6) will destroy a lot of cars on the road today. Anyways, apples to oranges..

Wow, the M Sport changed my mind about the F30. I really dislike the chrome grille thing that connects the headlights, but with the M Sport I can live with it.

[Harvey Specter]

Sport line 335i:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641557&stc=1&d=1328657911

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641552&stc=1&d=1328657866

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641553&stc=1&d=1328657883

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641554&stc=1&d=1328657883

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641556&stc=1&d=1328657899

328i (luxury line):

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641560&stc=1&d=1328658156

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641561&stc=1&d=1328658156

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641562&stc=1&d=1328658156

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641563&stc=1&d=1328658156

[twitchyzero]

If 8k is significant to you, I assume your budget is screaming to you to get the 28 or to keep your existing car.

8k on top of 28k is almost another 30%...that's 30% price increase just for a higher trim (not even the highest trim)...no chump change for most people that can afford cars under 40-50k

[rawr]

In dealerships in September.

http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/3/f30/naias/msport/IMG_6400.JPG

If that's just the M-Sport Package, the full blown M version will look insane.

[xilley]

8k on top of 28k is almost another 30%...that's 30% price increase just for a higher trim (not even the highest trim)...no chump change for most people that can afford cars under 40-50k

what are you saying? :fulloffuck:

[TRDood]

I had the chance to take a look at the new 3 sedan in person today. A white modern line is sold already in the Autowest showroom. It's a nice change from the e90 sedans, but here are a couple things:

- how are the front plates going to be mounted? It has no holes drilled but a big piece of extra thing that appears to be sticking out of the front bumper.
- the Navi screen looks like a cheap glue on. I can rock it back and forth. It's a nice design but kind of flimsy.
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[Dinan3]

I had the chance to take a look at the new 3 sedan in person today. A white modern line is sold already in the Autowest showroom. It's a nice change from the e90 sedans, but here are a couple things:

- how are the front plates going to be mounted? It has no holes drilled but a big piece of extra thing that appears to be sticking out of the front bumper.
- the Navi screen looks like a cheap glue on. I can rock it back and forth. It's a nice design but kind of flimsy.
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I think they will still drill in a license plate bracket. 1/16/12 production onwards will not have that body coloured mounting base on the front bumper. I think it looks way better without it.

[Tapioca]

In my humble opinion, a BMW is only a BMW if you have an inline-six. Sure, the 4-banger puts out a good amount of power, but to get the BMW experience, you need a six. The only 4 cylinder BMW worth owning is an E30 318is.

Why not just get a late-model E92 such as a 335is?

[godwin]

For goodness sake, don't pick the car trim based on the exterior looks alone.. especially if you are getting a 3er as a daily driver.

Go to the dealership and ask for extended test drives on the different trims BEFORE you put in the order.. Do the extended test drive on the roads you will drive the most. eg I drive the S curve on Highway 1 to Hwy7, Lougheed, Ioco to Bedwell Bay the most.. The Sport package on any BMW is really harsh on our roads especially at this time of the year, be sure you are happy with the ride quality.

[Sky_High]

- how are the front plates going to be mounted? It has no holes drilled but a big piece of extra thing that appears to be sticking out of the front bumper.

See above:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641553&stc=1&d=1328657883
http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641557&stc=1&d=1328657911http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641562&stc=1&d=1328658156

Hopefully this is true...and not just a US / Europe thing:
I think they will still drill in a license plate bracket. 1/16/12 production onwards will not have that body coloured mounting base on the front bumper. I think it looks way better without it.

[HondaCrv]

OP I think you will find this useful: Video: F30 328i (N20) Dyno Confirms Underrated From Factory - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646824)

I have an e92 328i and im always on e90post. I think you'll find alot of good info there
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[ALEX1988]

328i is more than enough for a daily drive, plus the 4cylinder turbo is more fuel efficient. However, if you have the budget, definetely get the 335i with m-sport pack. That estoril blue one is just stunning.

[HKSR]

Have these shown up at BJ yet? I'm sold on the styling, but I wanna test drive one of these first.

[tofu1413]

there are two test drive units
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[HKSR]

335 and 328? or 2 of the same model? lol

[tofu1413]

328 sport and luxury i think
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[lowside67]

07-11 used the twin turbo set up

2012 switched to the twin scroll set up (single turbo)

i think its for the better, the twin turbo had high pressure fuel pump issues. but bmw will honor an 8 year warranty towards them

but then, the new 2012 models just came out, new body styling, i think they named these chassis f30 or something now.
Thanks but no thanks... Unlike what you said, the 2011 335 (while still an E9X) has the newer N55 with the twinscroll single turbo.

Mark

[donjalapeno]

saw a 335 modern trim today.... 67g .... :fuckthatshit:

certified m5 or 750i for dat amount of dough

[lowside67]

saw a 335 modern trim today.... 67g .... :fuckthatshit:

certified m5 or 750i for dat amount of dough

A lot of people don't compare cars only on price... that's like saying why would you buy a 335 modern for $67G when you can buy a 1999-2000 Ferrari 360 for that kind of money... simply because they do different things.

I daily drive a 335, which is worth about the same money as an 07-08 750li... would I consider trading for one? Hell no.

Mark

[Redlines_Daily]

I get what wolfgang is saying though, almost $70,000 for a non-M 3series? BMW pricing is just getting silly now.

[tofu1413]

Always has been silly when there were new..

u could pick up a 09 new body style 7 series for about 70k ish + taxes. CPO.

08 body styles go for 40ish to 50.


the 7 series is the BMW that depreciates the most, so from money stand point, a bargain compared to new.

an 08 335i is about 30 k or so.. half when new. CPO's are actually a pretty good buy imo, compared to honda CPO's or the likes.

[!SG]

ahh, your right, it did list the n55 as an 2011 and not as 2012.

Thanks but no thanks... Unlike what you said, the 2011 335 (while still an E9X) has the newer N55 with the twinscroll single turbo.

Mark

[lowside67]

I "built" one on BMW's website and the max I could get it to was $64k, and that is a really REALLY fully loaded car. I agree that it seems like a lot of coin for a "3 series", but that 3 series also has every feature that a 7 series could have only 3 short years ago - that car was $120k new not that long ago.

The 335 loaded to $64k has heads up display, 4 exterior cameras, active blind spot detection, front and rear PDC, voice activated navigation, full keyless operation, dynamic cruise control, etc.

If you load up an Audi A4, a Lexus IS350, a Mercedes C-class, they will all get to that kind of number. Inflation is a bitch!

Mark

[tofu1413]

the euro version have couple more options:
they got rear heated seats (dunno why they dont have them here.. i mean an elantra has them!) and rear sun shades (like the 7)

[hongy]

I "built" one on BMW's website and the max I could get it to was $64k, and that is a really REALLY fully loaded car. I agree that it seems like a lot of coin for a "3 series", but that 3 series also has every feature that a 7 series could have only 3 short years ago - that car was $120k new not that long ago.

The 335 loaded to $64k has heads up display, 4 exterior cameras, active blind spot detection, front and rear PDC, voice activated navigation, full keyless operation, dynamic cruise control, etc.

If you load up an Audi A4, a Lexus IS350, a Mercedes C-class, they will all get to that kind of number. Inflation is a bitch!

Mark

You maxed out at 64k?? That's weird I remember looking at 335i a year ago and they were around 68k at bjbmw...I don't think they were even fully loaded yet.

[wstce92]

You maxed out at 64k?? That's weird I remember looking at 335i a year ago and they were around 68k at bjbmw...I don't think they were even fully loaded yet.

Not only will you max out at 64k, I seldom hear of people paying the exact msrp build price on a BMW; depends which dealership of course.
The cars at BJ always have dealer add-ons, I remember different cast rims running an extra 4k, BMW performance parts, etc.

[rocksforsale]

i commited to paying (2000 deposit) msrp at autowest yesterday.. apparently demands high and theres no negotiation room. is this the case at every dealer?
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[lowside67]

I suspect so. There may be some small discount available somewhere but really, just buy it where you like the experience the most, the discount is tiny if there is one to be had relative to the price of the car. That's the price you pay for being the first on the block!

Mark

[rocksforsale]

yepp thats true, they did give me 500 "store credit" though

[Roach]

An added note if you are still deciding between a 328i Sport vs 335i Sport:

On the 328i, the sport line is an additional $1,500 on top of the $43,600 base price. There is no additional charge on the 335i to have sport line.

Therefore, the difference when comparing two sport line equipped cars is $6,100 ($51,200 vs $45,100).

That being said, I will be choosing a 328i as a demo vs the 335i as I`m curious to test BMW`s attempt at a 4 cyl turbo powerplant.

Kev

Edit: If you are interested in the Canadian 3-series options pricing guide, click here (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11198276&postcount=49).

[Eff-1]

For what it is worth, I have been driving an E90 328i the past week or so. I realize it is an inline 6 and I have not yet tried the new 4cyl turbo, but I find it is more than enough for daily driving around the city and fun times on the freeway. Not once have I ever thought about not upgrading to a more powerful motor.

There are so many things that make driving a BMW one of the best experiences out there. Suspension, brakes, steering, balance, luxury features, transmissions... Power isn't everything!

Enjoy your new car whatever you decide.

[tofu1413]

2.0 turbo with 8 speed auto in X1 is quite peppy... should be nice in 328i

[rocksforsale]

something to think about: apparently the 328i n20 engine is underrated :fullofwin: that, in addition to fuel efficiency AND dynamics (i4 is def lighter in the front)

Video: F30 328i (N20) Dyno Confirms Underrated From Factory - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646824)

[wstce92]

something to think about: apparently the 328i n20 engine is underrated :fullofwin: that, in addition to fuel efficiency AND dynamics (i4 is def lighter in the front)

Video: F30 328i (N20) Dyno Confirms Underrated From Factory - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646824)

Lol I think most if not all BMW's are underrated from factory from dyno's I've seen by insideline, etc :awwyeah:
But I drove a Z4 with the new turbo 4, and I was really impressed with it. Plenty of power. Didn't feel like a 4 banger.

[BlackZRoadster]

I would go 335i no questions about it. The feel and sound of a 335i is way better than the 328.

I'm thinking of switching from my 2011 coupe to the 2012 sedan. I'll probably be more interested in doing it only when the M-sport is out.

[wstce92]

I would go 335i no questions about it. The feel and sound of a 335i is way better than the 328.

I'm thinking of switching from my 2011 coupe to the 2012 sedan. I'll probably be more interested in doing it only when the M-sport is out.

wait for new coupe + m-sport!

[BlackZRoadster]

^ thats true, but i think that would be another year later to 2 later?

4 series?

[supafamous]

Word is getting out that the 335i isn't particularly faster than the 328i - faster in a straight line yes but not as fast around a corner:

2012 BMW 328i Sport First Test - Motor Trend (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1202_2012_bmw_328i_sport_first_test/)

Want to know the real kicker? Don't tell BMW, but the 328i is better than the 335i. I lapped both at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca during BMW's launch event. We brought both home to test (you'll be seeing the 335i First Test soon), and we all agree. Yes, the 335i is a lot faster thanks to that turbo-six, but the 328i is the better car to drive. The four-cylinder car is 50 pounds lighter in the nose and the engine sits behind the front axle, making for a superb weight balance that the big-engine car just can't match. On the track and on the road, the 335i feels a bit more nose-heavy and a bit looser out back, with the rear end wanting to step out in turns, whereas the 328i is perfectly planted throughout. Sure, the 328i doesn't have the top end speed of the 335i, but it's more rewarding to drive fast. What's more, BMW's own driving instructors at the track confided that the lap times were nearly identical, with the 335i faster on the straights and the 328i faster through the corners.

This isn't the first review I've read where the 328i was the preferred version. I think Car and Driver said much the same.

[F30]

Decision made, going with the 328i, pulled the trigger!

Lots of good info in this thread, really helped me make this decision. It boils down to that initial feeling you get when you fist try each car, and for me the 328i felt just right!

Now comes the waiting. Should have it some time in April.

[HonestTea]

Decision made, going with the 328i, pulled the trigger!

Lots of good info in this thread, really helped me make this decision. It boils down to that initial feeling you get when you fist try each car, and for me the 328i felt just right!

Now comes the waiting. Should have it some time in April.

Congrats and good choice!

[kkttsang]

congrats which line did u get and what options if u dun mind me asking

[tofu1413]

328i sport line looks nice on person... seats are comfy and interior materials have improved
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[F30]

congrats which line did u get and what options if u dun mind me asking

It's sport line, with
Executive
Premium
Driver assist blind spot and lane departure
Navigation
Heads up display
Rear view camera
Sport suspension

Pretty much fully loaded, out of everything on the options list I declined only the BMW apps.
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[Energy]

Wow, I was taking a look at the specs for the 328i and the fuel economy is 9city/5.5highway for the manual and 8city/5.3highway for the automatic. All in L/100km of course. The automatic is so much more fuel efficient. Very impressive for the amount of power you have.

[F30]

I don't know if I believe those numbers, but I do wish they were right. For the first few month I'll try to track the usage and see for myself.

In theory, with twin turbo and "econo" mode it makes sense that there would be substantial fuel savings.

[kkttsang]

what colour

[tofu1413]

twin power turbo u mean...?
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[Shorn]

328i sport line looks nice on person... seats are comfy and interior materials have improved
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that comment goes well with your avatar. just sayin

[tofu1413]

i wouldnt say its class leading interior, but ur right. thats the expression that best describes it!
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[rocksforsale]

then which car would you say has class leading interior? the c class and a4 are inferior imo

[tofu1413]

the 3 is better than them for now, but the next C and A4 would be, like usual, going to out do the BMW with the interior (at least i hope so... the current ones do look like crap materials. E90's have pretty crappy interiors on the base 323i, 328i or even 335i)

sure the euro cars interiors have nicer designs, but I think the Japanese have better material quality and are a little better put together than the german 3. I could imagine a 06 Lexus IS with an interior that has aged much better, than say a 06 330i (with leather option) higher quality plastics and soft touch vinyl are in the Lexus/Acuras. buttons and switches are also less likely to wear or fade on the japanese cars too.

not really a bias opinion, but seeing what i've seen so far... heck, i drive a variety of different of BMWs for work everyday. i spend more time in a BMW than my actual car

[!SG]

twin turbo (actually have 2 turbos)

twin powered turbo ("twin scrolled")

twin powered twin turbo... (two "twin scrolled" turbos)

easily get them all mixed up.

[JoshuaWong]

the 3 is better than them for now, but the next C and A4 would be, like usual, going to out do the BMW with the interior (at least i hope so... the current ones do look like crap materials. E90's have pretty crappy interiors on the base 323i, 328i or even 335i)

sure the euro cars interiors have nicer designs, but I think the Japanese have better material quality and are a little better put together than the german 3. I could imagine a 06 Lexus IS with an interior that has aged much better, than say a 06 330i (with leather option) higher quality plastics and soft touch vinyl are in the Lexus/Acuras. buttons and switches are also less likely to wear or fade on the japanese cars too.

not really a bias opinion, but seeing what i've seen so far... heck, i drive a variety of different of BMWs for work everyday. i spend more time in a BMW than my actual car

I agree, Japanese got ergonomics down pretty well. German car interior looks nice but to be honest Japanese car like lexus is usually a much nicer place to be inside. BMW interior sucks lol, experience from my 335i & M3.

[F30]

what colour

Mineral Gray

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6852664813_0e03ec3ee3_b.jpg

Should be just like this one but with black interior:
Took delivery of my F30 - 2012 BMW 328i Sport Line - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=645457)
http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641535&d=1328654919

Super stoked about this car. :)

[blum2001]

I would go 335i no questions about it. The feel and sound of a 335i is way better than the 328.

I'm thinking of switching from my 2011 coupe to the 2012 sedan. I'll probably be more interested in doing it only when the M-sport is out.

+1 on this. My 09 335i lease is up this year and a 328i isn't even a consideration. In fact, when I get a 328i as a loaner car it's a good shot in the arm how nice the 335i is.

[Energy]

I'll leave this here
2012 BMW 328i Sedan (Luxury, Modern & Sport Lines) Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review - YouTube

[hongy]

I'll leave this here
2012 BMW 328i Sedan (Luxury, Modern & Sport Lines) Start Up, Exhaust, and In Depth Review - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lykldY69qvA&feature=g-all-u&context=G2fd4beeFAAAAAAAAAAA)

Thanks, on data so can't watch the video but hopefully that'll help me in choosing new car.
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[Tapioca]

I agree, Japanese got ergonomics down pretty well. German car interior looks nice but to be honest Japanese car like lexus is usually a much nicer place to be inside. BMW interior sucks lol, experience from my 335i & M3.

And driving a Lexus is like taking sleeping pills. You can't have everything.
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[bcrdukes]

I agree, Japanese got ergonomics down pretty well. German car interior looks nice but to be honest Japanese car like lexus is usually a much nicer place to be inside. BMW interior sucks lol, experience from my 335i & M3.

And driving a Lexus is like taking sleeping pills. You can't have everything.
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I'll have to agree with both posts.

I grew up with Japanese cars, primarily Toyota, Honda, and Subaru. My first Euro experience was my mom's VW Cabrio. It was nothing compared to what I was used to. Fast forward years later, I bought the E30 325i - ergonomics weren't the greatest compared to my Toyota MR2 but I got used to it. One thing's for sure, the E30 was a blast to drive. Same with my Alfa Romeo Spider. (Not ergonomic at all.) Then came the E36 M3. Probably the worst interior compared to most BMWs :D but again, a blast to drive. My E91...that's another story. Personal preference goes to the E46.

Going back and forth between BMWs and Lexus' cars, Lexus definitely has refined ergonomics whereas the BMWs and Mercedes-Benz cars I've been in aren't comparable. But Tapioca is right. Japanese cars are just...well...boring to drive.

Everybody has their own preference. Mine will have to go with a car that's a blast to drive. :hotbaby:

Oh, and I once had a 2010 VW Jetta rental - that thing was the biggest piece of shit ever. The only saving grace was its motor.

[F30]

Waiting on the new car is painful and every now and then I keep searching more info on the F30s, here is something neat.


Great Set of F30 3 Series Production Photos and Videos - BMW 3-Series Forum (F30 / F32) | F30POST (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=604192)

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=600025&d=1319813550

edit: more photos

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=593107&stc=1&d=1318606617


Interior:
http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=641521&d=1328653425

[european]

Damn, they're both so nice! I want them both! Tough decision indeed!

[hongy]

Where did you end up going to buy your car? Parents are looking to get a new car and we'd prefer not going to BJBMW.

[kkttsang]

Where did you end up going to buy your car? Parents are looking to get a new car and we'd prefer not going to BJBMW.

Autowest in richmond is pretty good. ask for tylor, he's pretty good.

[F30]

Where did you end up going to buy your car? Parents are looking to get a new car and we'd prefer not going to BJBMW.

If you prefer not to go with BJBMW then you will not like my answer to your question :).

I guess it depends on the sales person you meet, but I think there is a reason why BJ BMW accounts for 40% of all BMW sales with so many dealers, they must be doing something right. I've had great experience with them and so did all of my friends. Having said that, a friend of mine works there... so my friends and I get VIP treatment.

[BlackZRoadster]

Where did you end up going to buy your car? Parents are looking to get a new car and we'd prefer not going to BJBMW.

If you are looking for good service and great price, i can get you in touch. Our owner owns the BMW store.

[F30]

If you are looking for good service and great price, i can get you in touch. Our owner owns the BMW store.

Please don't take my sarcasm the wrong way, but your post came out a bit funny. No, I bet we are all looking for a bad service and a horrible price! LOL

[BlackZRoadster]

^ Everyone expects that, but not everyone gets good service AND good pricing.

We can match or beat any price, i'm sure i can get you more discount but since you're buying from a friend, that's ok to pay more. Your friend does need to make a living too.

Did you get a 28 or 35? Sport line is my choice too! :)

[wstce92]

BMW Store by far has the best service pre and post purchase imho. ask for James Lee.
But Autowest is great too.
I prefer the sales of BMW Store and the servicing of Autowest :p
Nothing to prefer at BJBMW other than a funny name if that kinda thing makes you laugh.

@F30 -lol, since your buddy works at BJ, I don't think you have a good idea of what they're like. And sometimes you get sales just by being the biggest dealership. From what I hear though, Autowest and BMW Store are seriously chipping away at BJ sales wise. Of course that could be all hearsay.

[Z3guy]

Wow, I was taking a look at the specs for the 328i and the fuel economy is 9city/5.5highway for the manual and 8city/5.3highway for the automatic. All in L/100km of course. The automatic is so much more fuel efficient. Very impressive for the amount of power you have.

seriously, I am surprised so many people worry about fuel economy when buying a supposed premium sedan. When it is all said and done, depreciation is the greatest factor in value, not fuel economy.

to me it's not miles per gallon (mpg), it's smiles per gallon!

[F30]

@BlackZRoadster - It's funny how you and I look at things so differently. I go to a friend because he can do me a favor and discount the price while still providing a great service, he'll cut his pay because when he needs something from me, I'll return the favor. By your comments I'm supposed to get a better deal from a stranger. Are you a salesperson? And if you really think you are right, PM me with a quote for the car I just ordered. If its lower that what I got, you'll have my business.

I went with 328, for a daily driver it's perfect. See my sig for details. :)
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[F30]

@F30 -lol, since your buddy works at BJ, I don't think you have a good idea of what they're like.

True :) I'm biased.

[BlackZRoadster]

@BlackZRoadster - It's funny how you and I look at things so differently. I go to a friend because he can do me a favor and discount the price while still providing a great service, he'll cut his pay because when he needs something from me, I'll return the favor. By your comments I'm supposed to get a better deal from a stranger. Are you a salesperson? And if you really think you are right, PM me with a quote for the car I just ordered. If its lower that what I got, you'll have my business.

I went with 328, for a daily driver it's perfect. See my sig for details. :)
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I would go to a friend too.

But if it's purely based on price then I would go to whoever gives the best deal.
You can pm me the quote and I can beat it if we have the same car coming in. If not it can always be ordered
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[Phat_R]

Test drove a new 328i sedan (2012 model) and was blown away. Handling was great, looks stunning inside out. Maybe it's time to change my car.

Hard decision, should I spend the extra to get 335i?

Thoughts?



Good choice F30!

[F30]

The car is now in production at the factory, should be built in a week to a week and a half. Then shipping time is unknown.

In case anyone else is wondering, in Canada the way to check the status of the car is to call 1-800-567-2691 and provide them with either VIN or Production # and they will tell you the status of the vehicle.

[asian_XL]

BMW 328i N20 Engine Tune from Kelleners Sport increased output to almost 300hp! - F30Driver (http://www.f30driver.com/forum/showthread.php?t=886326)

Chip for F30, it bumps the 245hp to 295hp

[Energy]

The car is now in production at the factory, should be built in a week to a week and a half. Then shipping time is unknown.

In case anyone else is wondering, in Canada the way to check the status of the car is to call 1-800-567-2691 and provide them with either VIN or Production # and they will tell you the status of the vehicle.

Nice, you actually ordered it from the factory and didn't pick it out off the lot. Pictures when you get it!

[F30]

Nice, you actually ordered it from the factory and didn't pick it out off the lot. Pictures when you get it!

You bet. :)

[F30]

For those who may be curious, another small update.
It took exactly a week for the car to go from in production to completed, it is now waiting to be shipped. :D

[godwin]

Most BMWes are done on a per order basis.. it is also a method for the dealers to reduce the buyer's negotiating power by keeping the stock low. It also allow buyers to do the "Customer experience" / "European delivery" service.. though in Canada it is an additional cost, in the States it is a lot cheaper.

Nice, you actually ordered it from the factory and didn't pick it out off the lot. Pictures when you get it!

[fetched]

Parkshore and BMW Store have great service.

Parkshore will low ball your ass for trade ins, so that's what turned me away TWICE.

When I mean low ball I mean much lower than the stealership trade in prices.

[F30]

Didn't even get the car and I am already thinking of changes (lol), found some pics with different wheels

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=645536&stc=1&d=1329428356

http://www.f30post.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=645534&stc=1&d=1329428356

[tofu1413]

just dont get those factory optional 20" time attack wheels...

i saw them.. and it was an eye sore. :heckno:

[F30]

For anyone curious, the car arrived, picking up today. Initial dealer eatimate of delivery was spot on! So stoked.

[q0192837465]

Congrats. Pics plz when u have the time.

[versep]

Super excited for you! Been eyeing the new 328i for a while now :)

[artmotion]

Congrats! I drove the 328i and love the interior. I was a bit skeptical, thinking that the 335i would leave this thing in the dust but it had surprisingly nice power delivery.

Here's some inspiration for when you take delivery:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7182/6839827126_1d9f8aac28_b.jpg

and I really really hope that they bring this badboy over:
http://www.bimmerpost.com/goodiesforyou/3/f31/spyphotos/3-touring-m-sport-2.jpg

[Bhachu]

Amazing cars! If only we could get all those diesel models.
And no matter what BMW, you have to get either the sport package or M package.
Of course the M package is always preferred, so 335i

[F30]

Thanks for the comments everyone, I took the delivery of the vehicle last night.

The weather was not great and I didn't bring my camera, so I used my phone to snap a photo and then got distracted :)

http://www.revscene.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11344&stc=1&d=1335451895

More to come soon.

[too_slow]

What a silly "sport" badge , time to grab the dental floss out!

Super excited for you though! :)

[Retrac]

Looks awesome! Congratulations!

[tofu1413]

be prepared to drive sport sedan benchmark awesomeness.

[q0192837465]

Looks like the F30 is so much more well received than the e90.

[tofu1413]

more of a spiritual successor to the E30 than the E90 ever was to the E30.

interior is much more tradition bmw: controls face the driver.

[rocksforsale]

this is some exciting stuff right here. congrats man!! looking forward to more pics

[F30]

Parked liked a d-bag but only for about a minute to get coffee. On the way back remembered that I don't have any pics to show yet... still a crappy phone pic

http://www.revscene.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11354&stc=1&d=1335539278

Roof rails are on... bike rack to follow...

[kkttsang]

I'm jealous

[Z3guy]

Parked liked a d-bag but only for about a minute to get coffee. On the way back remembered that I don't have any pics to show yet... still a crappy phone pic

http://www.revscene.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11354&stc=1&d=1335539278

Roof rails are on... bike rack to follow...

How do you find the electric steering? Have not driven it yet, but the mags are complaining about the lack of feel

[F30]

Electric steering, I like it. Sure it isn't as "tight" at low speeds as I'm used to, but it's not a bad thing. When I'm parking it's super easy and on a highway it is stiffer.

I'd say that in every way I like this car far more than prior gen 3er, which I drove for a month and a half as a daily driver. Heads up display is a great way to keep eyes on the road while having speed, navi and music projected. Smaller 4 cil engine is surprisingly good on gas (for a BMW). Interior is better looking. Driving in sport mode is super fun. Even little things like opening the trunk by making a leg kick under trunk motion is pretty useful (heads full of groceries etc). I'm very happy with it (600kms already and counting lol, drove it to Seattle on the weekend).

[F30]

And here is a pic with the bike rack in use.

http://www.revscene.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11428&stc=1&d=1335879024

[JoshuaWong]

I think i saw u yesterday on No.3rd turning turning into near canadian tire. not many f30s around in that color yet

[F30]

I was in Richmond yesterday.:) It may have been me!

[rocksforsale]

hey how many l/100km are you getting?

[F30]

I used Eco mode for trip to Seattle and averaged 6.5l/100km

[rocksforsale]

holy crap thats unbelieveably efficient. bmw gave me a 1 series as a courtesy and that was 11.5, while the 3 series i have now gets 15

[ShyGuy]

leg kick under trunk to open....thats genius....

[Harvey Specter]

The build quality on the 3 series is really good and I really like the interior however I don't like how BMW bumped up the price. They had a new 328i at BJ and the sticker price was $51,000.

[BlackZRoadster]

Planning on trading in my BMW for the estoril blue msport 335i sedan now.

July production, should be delivery in September

[tofu1413]

The build quality on the 3 series is really good and I really like the interior however I don't like how BMW bumped up the price. They had a new 328i at BJ and the sticker price was $51,000.

and thats without taxes or other fees :ilied:


sounds about right for an optioned out 328i...

then theres the 320i ! watered down 328i

[rocksforsale]

took delivery of this babe last month. excuse the bad pic, more (better) pics to come!

any more f30 owners on here?

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv191/j_chen123/IMG_20120612_220805.jpg

[dygital]

^Where'd you get the plate from? Probably fought all of Richmond for it LOL

[snowball]

I'm glad this thread turned into an actual car buying thread and not a "please help me choose between an LP-570 vs 458 thread"

[Bender Unit]

^Where'd you get the plate from? Probably fought all of Richmond for it LOL

Have you ever heard a computer program called Adobe Photoshop ?
It do wonderful things
:suspicious: