[bootymac]

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[ilovebacon]

Our future is dark..
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[Death2Theft]

Wow talk about behind the times. Where have you been the last few months when we were bitching about Obama pushing the same thing, surely you wern't stupid enough to think it would only affect the states right? I mean now he's pushing a global tax, but hey your in canada who cares he's not the boss of you. LOL
Who do you think is getting $ for pushing the censorship BS? Follow the money trail and you will always see that he who stands to gain is also the one committing the crime.

[Great68]

Well for those who voted conservative in the last election, you got what you voted for.

[TheKingdom2000]

Well for those who voted conservative in the last election, you got what you voted for.

Lol, you're joking right?
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[StylinRed]

Lol, you're joking right?
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are you saying people who voted conservative are for these whacko moves?

or are you saying people who voted conservative were too stupid to tell what was coming so they dont deserve being told that?

:D

[belka]

Well for those who voted conservative in the last election, you got what you voted for.

You don't hear us complaining. Sour grapes again it seems for the loser left.

[Gridlock]

Well for those who voted conservative in the last election, you got what you voted for.

Sorry :(

If it means anything...I look forward to voting liberal again. I just can't vote for them right now, or the tree huggers.

[melloman]

SOPA/ACTA/This.. it's all inevitable to one degree or another.. if they won't get this bill to pass, they will try another bill. Eventually either they will get tried of trying, or we will get tired of fighting.

It's push come to shove and see who gives up first.

[falcon]

Learn how to proxy. Or if you have nothing to hide, then don't worry about it.


Lol @ "stand with us or the child pornographers"... yeah, because everyone who is against a complete invasion of privacy is obviously a pedophile.

Oh, and I voted NDP. Pblm? :P

[Over9K]

Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?

[EmperorIS]

Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?

if you were bored one night and you looked up on wiki on how to build a bomb, they can use that to prosecute you if you were ever suspected

thats the issue

[MindBomber]

It's times like this I really miss Jack Layton.

[gars]

It's times like this I really miss Jack Layton.

I voted for the Conservatives because the Liberals was a mess of a party. I loved Jack Layton, and all the integrity he had, and love for his country, but I did not agree with his party's vision.

I'm hoping the liberals get their act together, and then I'd vote for them.

[taylor192]

if you were bored one night and you looked up on wiki on how to build a bomb, they can use that to prosecute you if you were ever suspected

thats the issue
No they could not. Stop spreading misinformation from ill informed conspiracy theories and privacy whackos. The police will need a warrant to access this information. It will not be looked at otherwise. If you're a suspect for a bombing, well you've got other issues.

All my internet activities at work are already logged and only looked at if there is an issue at work. This is the same idea, just at home or mobile. Your records will not be accessed unless you do something wrong.

So the correct example would be: If you built a bomb they could determine you've been on the internet looking up how to build bombs.

[taylor192]

I have an ex-gf that works for the pedophile division of the RCMP, and these new laws will make her job so much easier. I'll trade some privacy I won't miss and never knew I had for a safer society.

ISPs are already looking at everything you do online, that's how they shape and throttle traffic, how the caches know what to keep handy, ... that's why I say its privacy "you never knew you had" cause its an illusion, its all already tracked in some form or another - this just puts it in writing.

[unit]

Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?

its called protecting your rights.

[GabAlmighty]

Lol what rights?

[Manic!]

Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?

Yep,































my Top Gear downloads.

[GabAlmighty]

Yep,


my Top Gear downloads.

Shiiiiiiit, Negro! - YouTube

[bobbyhill]

what if the mayans meant the end of the internet?


mind = blown

[taylor192]

its called protecting your rights.

Lol what rights?

If you knew how network protocols worked you'd realize you don't have much privacy to begin with. Addresses and even content category (VOIP, streaming, data) are used and stored to make decisions that shape network traffic. A lot of stuff is cached too.

That's just your ISP. Then there's google that essentially caches the internet. Write something in a blog, google has it stored for 5 years and anyone can access it.

Complete privacy online just doesn't exist, you're always being monitored in some way.

[Mr.HappySilp]

I have an ex-gf that works for the pedophile division of the RCMP, and these new laws will make her job so much easier. I'll trade some privacy I won't miss and never knew I had for a safer society.

ISPs are already looking at everything you do online, that's how they shape and throttle traffic, how the caches know what to keep handy, ... that's why I say its privacy "you never knew you had" cause its an illusion, its all already tracked in some form or another - this just puts it in writing.

False I work an IPS and in no way do we "actually" look at what u do. We do keep records but unless police comes with a warrant we then turn the info over. There are a few times where the RCMP did contact about threatening E-mails being sent by our customers. We don't just snift your traffic and track Internet packets and see what u do online. Company like Shaw do packet sniftings for P2P only as far as I know.

With this new Law ANYONE can have access to YOUR person info (E-mails, surfing habits, IP....) without any warrant. So any movie company, music industry or even marketing company can obtain those info.

Not to mention if the gov do want us to keep those info how far back are we suppose those info (6months, 1 year 2 years.......) it will cost us money to store those info which in turn raise price for customers.

Also what about if someone hacks into your wireless connections and is using your IP or even clone your PC MAC address to go online to look at say child pron and you got arrested for it? Or what about u got a virus/maleware and is looking into those illgeal in the background without u knowing.

What this bill is doing is just giving the gov power to say "Hey You are posting negative things about the gov we will just shut u down"

[taylor192]

False I work an IPS and in no way do we "actually" look at what u do.
Thus its TRUE. This information is recorded, just no-one looks at it unless you're in trouble. Thanks for helping my point.

With this new Law ANYONE can have access to YOUR person info (E-mails, surfing habits, IP....) without any warrant.
Not as I understand it, please break down the law specifically. It grants the right to contact information without a warrant (IP addresses used, phone numbers, email addresses used) yet doesn't grant the right to content, ie where you've surfed, who you've sent emails to, ...

Not to mention if the gov do want us to keep those info how far back are we suppose those info (6months, 1 year 2 years.......) it will cost us money to store those info which in turn raise price for customers.
Fair enough, yet off topic.

Also what about if someone hacks into your wireless connections and is using your IP or even clone your PC MAC address to go online to look at say child pron and you got arrested for it? Or what about u got a virus/maleware and is looking into those illgeal in the background without u knowing.
The RCMP can already arrest you for this, nothing changes.

What this bill is doing is just giving the gov power to say "Hey You are posting negative things about the gov we will just shut u down"
No it does not. Without a warranty no content can be looked at. Even if they were to find the IP address of a blog poster, this bill gives them no power to shut the blog down. As is, someone with good networking skills can track that IP address back and locate it - this is how the RCMP find some pedophiles - thus I contend, this bill does nothing to what exists already other than put it in writing to make it easier.

Your claims are baseless typical paranoia.

[Mr.HappySilp]

^^ Actually we receive E-mails from Movie and Music industry everyday claiming so and so is on our network downloading this and that using this IP which is illegal please give us their info. WE always just deleted those E-mails.

In fact once in a blue they would actually call us demanding those info. We simply tell them go to the police and let them deal with it coz we are no way giving our customer info to anyone but police with warrants. Give this new law, we have to comply and give those info out without a warrant which means it is A LOT easier for anyone to obtain your surfing habits and what you have been downloading.

This law does nothing for the typical customers but rather give those with money even more power over us.

[7seven]

^^ Actually we receive E-mails from Movie and Music industry everyday claiming so and so is on our network downloading this and that using this IP which is illegal please give us their info. WE always just deleted those E-mails.

In fact once in a blue they would actually call us demanding those info. We simply tell them go to the police and let them deal with it coz we are no way giving our customer info to anyone but police with warrants. Give this new law, we have to comply and give those info out without a warrant which means it is A LOT easier for anyone to obtain your surfing habits and what you have been downloading.

This law does nothing for the typical customers but rather give those with money even more power over us.

Actually this is incorrect, under the Lawful Access Legislation, rights holders such as film studios and record labels would still be required to go to the police. ISP would only have to give up basic subscriber info such as IP address, email address and phone number to police, not directly to rights holders or any other third parties that request or come fishing for that information.

[falcon]

Eh, dunno what the issue is with it really.

You guys hiding something?

What a narrow minded way of thinking. It has nothing to do with hiding anything, and everything to do with my personal right to privacy.

[mr_chin]

who gives a shit about sopa, who gives a shit about acta and this.

im still gonna use the internet the way i have always use it. majority of our population will still use it the way they always did.

if they come knocking on our doors and give us a court date, then be it.

[ilovebacon]

Bad boy, bad boy. What u gonna do when they come for u^
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[Psykopathik]

fuck it, buy a pay as you go data stick and download all the illegal shit you want.

[Over9K]

What a narrow minded way of thinking. It has nothing to do with hiding anything, and everything to do with my personal right to privacy.

Lay off the child porn, Mr. I have my rights.

[hillmar]

Just wait till they start to put microchips in our babies, and using a excuse that its only for their protection. :smug:

[Manic!]

My internet routers are unsecured and and always will be.

[Lyzic]

Everyone is getting all ramped up about something that already happens.

Currently, telecom companies can provide the personal information of customers on a voluntary basis. Companies turn over the information to law enforcement agencies in about 95 per cent of cases

Proposed bill for expanded online surveillance hit by critics (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Proposed+bill+expanded+online+surveillance+critics/6153026/story.html)

If you think the police have the time to track every single person on the Internet, then they have the time to follow every single criminal out there. I think don't have the manpower for it at all.

Reading more about this, it's meant to standardize Internet policing across the country. All of the real-time monitoring will still require a warrant, which is the same as if the police tapped your phones. Watching The Wire it looks like it's hard to get, and a shitload of work. So I don't think you have to worry about them monitoring you watching tranny porn in the basement.

[LIKEABOSS]

No they could not. Stop spreading misinformation from ill informed conspiracy theories and privacy whackos. The police will need a warrant to access this information. It will not be looked at otherwise. If you're a suspect for a bombing, well you've got other issues.

All my internet activities at work are already logged and only looked at if there is an issue at work. This is the same idea, just at home or mobile. Your records will not be accessed unless you do something wrong.

So the correct example would be: If you built a bomb they could determine you've been on the internet looking up how to build bombs.

This is just the beginning to get their foot in the door. Legislation like this are used to get people used to the idea that there are "terrorists" and "pedophiles" lurking everywhere and the need for more intrusive government. They will then progressively broaden SOPA-like measures because there are "so many evil people out there" that any legal restriction becomes an impediment to public safety.

It's really scary that governments around the world are taking America's lead in becoming ever more repressive. I suspect that in due time, the Canadian government will pass legislation similar to what Obama recently passed (a provision within NDAA-2012) that allows the government to INDEFINITELY DETAIN any SUSPECTED "terrorists" or "communists" or whatever the flavour-of-the-month happens to be.

I think we are heading into really dark times. And I think one of the major reasons why governments are doing what they are doing is because they are preparing for a possible world-wide economic meltdown to the scale of the Great Depression. But I digress.

But props to OP for bringing up important issues like this for RS members to deliberate on. :D

[SupraTTturbo2jz]

fuckers, trying to control us slowly. There are bigger issues to be concerned about than child pornography. It's a small majority im guessing ( old men/some young ) that are sick enough to look at that. No matter what the outcome is, someone will always figure out a way to bypass the stupid laws and do that stuff with stealth. They can only try to prevent.

[TurboFC3S]

Conservatives at it once again ... I must say wow thats BS (Read the article) this was briefly brought up at my union meeting tonight


While on the topic of the conservatives and privacy....If your in a Trade Union, read this bill that the conservatives are trying to pass right now

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Bills/411/Private/C-317/C-317_1/C-317_1.PDF

This bills intended to make Union members salaries , pension, benefits, basically all personal financial information (including names, age etc.) / union financial information + more all public knowledge, its on its 3rd reading right now.

I certainly don't want all my personal and financial info public. Id like to see Harper will open his office books, or tell Canadians how much money him and his family are wasting on holidays paid for by us, the taxpayers. Fuckers.

[taylor192]

This is just the beginning to get their foot in the door. Legislation like this are used to get people used to the idea that there are "terrorists" and "pedophiles" lurking everywhere and the need for more intrusive government. They will then progressively broaden SOPA-like measures because there are "so many evil people out there" that any legal restriction becomes an impediment to public safety.
They have a majority, they could knock the fucking door down if they wanted to.

I hate conspiracy theorists. Not everyone is out to get you.

[taylor192]

Conservatives at it once again ... I must say wow thats BS (Read the article) this was briefly brought up at my union meeting tonight


While on the topic of the conservatives and privacy....If your in a Trade Union, read this bill that the conservatives are trying to pass right now

http://www.parl.gc.ca/content/hoc/Bills/411/Private/C-317/C-317_1/C-317_1.PDF

This bills intended to make Union members salaries , pension, benefits, basically all personal financial information (including names, age etc.) / union financial information + more all public knowledge, its on its 3rd reading right now.

I certainly don't want all my personal and financial info public. Id like to see Harper will open his office books, or tell Canadians how much money him and his family are wasting on holidays paid for by us, the taxpayers. Fuckers.
If I belonged to a union, especially in Canada where I cannot opt out, you bet I want to see what my union members are paid and how my compulsory union dues are being used.

This is a GREAT bill for everyone in a union. Maybe union dues will come down once members see how they are being spent.

[carisear]

I certainly don't want all my personal and financial info public. Id like to see Harper will open his office books, or tell Canadians how much money him and his family are wasting on holidays paid for by us, the taxpayers. Fuckers.

to my knowledge you can find out exactly how much the PM makes and spends ... freedom of information act? things like that are always heavily scrutinzed.

[unit]

They have a majority, they could knock the fucking door down if they wanted to.

I hate conspiracy theorists. Not everyone is out to get you.

i dont see it as a conspiracy theory at all. its pretty damn transparent if you ask me. giving up freedom for supposed security is never a good trade.

[taylor192]

i dont see it as a conspiracy theory at all. its pretty damn transparent if you ask me.
Perhaps you don't understand what a majority government can do since we've had minority governments so long. They can pass any bill they like, so people who state "this opens the doors to much more" are just being dramatic. If the Cons really wanted to do more they'd just include it in the bill and pass it.

They aren't interested in all the potential outcomes conspiracy theorists come up with. What's in the bill is the end-all be-all, and as has already been pointed out, much of what the conspiracy theorists think the bill allows is not true at all. They are being dramatic to be dramatic, as they don't understand the bill nor what the current laws permit.

giving up freedom for supposed security is never a good trade.
The correct way to phrase this is:

Giving up the illusion of freedom you never had for real security is a great idea.

Read the bill not the non-sense, you'll understand.

[Gridlock]

If I belonged to a union, especially in Canada where I cannot opt out, you bet I want to see what my union members are paid and how my compulsory union dues are being used.

This is a GREAT bill for everyone in a union. Maybe union dues will come down once members see how they are being spent.

Um...I agree...with Taylor ;)

There was a case in Canada(I think Vancouver actually) where the support staff of a union local went on strike.

You are going to come to MY company and tell me what we should be doing and you can't keep your own house in order? I think unions could use a little extra scrutiny. If there is a public, unionized company, by virtue of the nature of being a public company, you have my books right in front of you.

Let's be fair then, and have everyone's information right there.

I find unions to be very protectionist of themselves, but very much in favor of instigating change in other organizations.

Hell, the best thing BC could do right now, is become a "right to work" province.

[Anjew]

i agree with allowing police forces access with a warrant, but a paragraph in the article concerned me.

"Police will require a warrant to obtain that information. But the bill would also permit them to obtain IP addresses (which identifies someone on the Internet), email addresses, mobile phone numbers and other information without any warrant. (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/tories-on-e-snooping-stand-with-us-or-with-the-child-pornographers/article2336889/?from=sec434)"

The information they can obtain WITHOUT a warrant is still too much.

[bengy]

The police can already get whatever they need from the ISPs with a warrant, so why the need to pass this bill?

[Manic!]

The police can already get whatever they need from the ISPs with a warrant, so why the need to pass this bill?

So they don't have to get a warrant.

[dasani604]

If ISPs already store info for an extended period of time, let's say this thread included, that means when the bill passes and they go on a "you no say bad things about the government" rampage then all of us posting on this thread are screwed?

[TurboFC3S]

If I belonged to a union, especially in Canada where I cannot opt out, you bet I want to see what my union members are paid and how my compulsory union dues are being used.

This is a GREAT bill for everyone in a union. Maybe union dues will come down once members see how they are being spent.

Contrary to what some people say and think, Union books are open to those who fund them. The members. Any member has the right if they wish to exercise it, to examine and question the financing of their union, they also have the right and obligation to ensure these monies are being spent for the benefit of the members, locally and nationally, and if they see fit they could make public their findings. Union books are also audited on a regular basis.

Our unions financial statements / spending are read out twice a month at our meetings infront of all our memebers. This bill is just another step and an attempt to take away union power by the harper government, he hates unions.

100% of Canadians want public disclosure of the governments books but we don't see that happening. If MP Russ Hiebert / Harper wants all of this "transparency" then they should start showing it themselves. Like thats ever going to happen..

[taylor192]

What union were you in? Contrary to what some people say and think, Union books are open to those who fund them. The members. Any member has the right if they wish to exercise it, to examine and question the financing of their union, they also have the right and obligation to ensure these monies are being spent for the benefit of the members, locally and nationally, and if they see fit they could make public their findings. Union books are also audited on a regular basis.

Our unions financial statements / spending are read out twice a month at our meetings infront of all our memebers. This bill is just another step and an attempt to take away union power by the harper government, he hates unions.
What's your problem then? This bill does nothing to change what already exists.

[TurboFC3S]

What's your problem then? This bill does nothing to change what already exists.

yes it does, also would make smaller unions such as the one im in have to hire 1 or 2 people to do all this new accounting and reporting which could possibly drive our union dues even higher than they already are.

Since all financial information is already available to members and the audits done anually theres no point of making it public information, this bills not intended to help unions just another small step of trying to take them down

[taylor192]

yes it does, also would make smaller unions such as the one im in have to hire 1 or 2 people to do all this new accounting and reporting which could possibly drive our union dues even higher than they already are.

Since all financial information is already available to members and the audits done anually theres no point of making it public information, this bills not intended to help unions just another small step of trying to take them down
Do you see the big hole in your argument? If its all available and published to members, there's zero to be done except release a copy publicly. That is unless the union is hiding something that members haven't seen.

A "right to work" bill would be a much better way to kill unions if Harper really wanted to - hopefully that comes next.

Have you heard the latest radio ads for BC teachers? Imagine if the dues wasted on that was actually given back to the teachers, they probably wouldn't have their hands out looking for more money.

[jeffh]

Taylor im glad you have the patience to go over all this, because ive given up on revscene and politics haha.

hopefully you can open an eye or 2

[GabAlmighty]

I remember when I used to take the internetz seriously...

[jeffh]

considering all of these posters are going to base a vote probably on only this thread,
yeah, it is kinda serious buisness :smug:

[Gridlock]

Do you see the big hole in your argument? If its all available and published to members, there's zero to be done except release a copy publicly. That is unless the union is hiding something that members haven't seen.

A "right to work" bill would be a much better way to kill unions if Harper really wanted to - hopefully that comes next.

Have you heard the latest radio ads for BC teachers? Imagine if the dues wasted on that was actually given back to the teachers, they probably wouldn't have their hands out looking for more money.

You don't mean the ad where the teachers are complaining that their salaries have dropped to 9th place in Canada and that sole reason is what is going to hold our kids back, do you? You don't mean the ad where the teachers themselves say that money motivates them to do a better job(apparently, as we should aim for 1st place), but at the same time, we fight to keep from having a pay scale system where teachers get paid based on performance.

I completely disagree with your stance on drugs Taylor, but unions I'm on board!

Let's talk unions a little bit. Why would Harper be all about busting them? Which I don't think he is, btw. Unions wield a considerable amount of power over the workforce. I am not against unions per se. I think they have their place. BUT...I have a huge problem with situations like the teachers, where its a oneupmanship game of salaries compared to other districts. Nova Scotia gets a raise, becomes #1, Alberta says, NS makes this much more. Alta becomes #1. BC says, we #3 and all the way around until the NS teachers are saying, "we're last!" It has nothing to do with marketable rates, or living cost or anything else. It's keeping up with the Jones'.

If you don't want the gov't to dictate your salary-DON'T BECOME A TEACHER!

Publishing information for all to see that is already collected and collated is not a huge deal. If the union movement can't take that, then they ARE in trouble.

[StylinRed]

yeah i actually agree with the union transparency bill too

but i can understand why union reps etc would be at unease with their personal info made public

[taylor192]

Taylor im glad you have the patience to go over all this, because ive given up on revscene and politics haha.

hopefully you can open an eye or 2
LOL

I think its universal on car forums, politics just isn't a good topic to discuss, everyone hates "the man". :) Even on the Mercedes forums with a typically older educated conservative membership, political discussions quickly go downhill.

[taylor192]

Let's talk unions a little bit. Why would Harper be all about busting them? Which I don't think he is, btw.
Oh he absolutely is. Unions support the NDP and Liberals far more than the Cons. This is why Harper pushed the political contribution limits even lower, as this limits large organizations like unions from buying votes.

I have a huge problem with situations like the teachers, where its a oneupmanship game of salaries compared to other districts. Nova Scotia gets a raise, becomes #1, Alberta says, NS makes this much more. Alta becomes #1. BC says, we #3 and all the way around until the NS teachers are saying, "we're last!" It has nothing to do with marketable rates, or living cost or anything else. It's keeping up with the Jones'.

Ontario and BC have the same problem, 5-7 unemployed teachers for every job opening. Alberta and other provinces have the opposite problem, not enough teachers. This is why Alberta has the highest salaries to attract teachers, and BC among the lowest cause we don't need to attract teachers, we have too many.

I also love the ads, it only shows how greedy teachers are, and how dumb they are that those ads are just wasting their own money they could be using to offset the raise they won't get.

[iEatClams]

The bill has good intentions, it just needs to be re-written as it currently gives too much power to authorities who can abuse this power as well. Giving up freedom is never a good thing but there needs to be a balance between freedom and security.

They also fucked up in presenting the bill by having Toews say those idiotic comments.
This is the same guy that's suppose to be all christian and conservative with all his "family values", but he cheated on his wife with a 20 year old secretary. The chick ended up having his kid out of wedlock while he was married.

[Gridlock]

Oh he absolutely is. Unions support the NDP and Liberals far more than the Cons. This is why Harper pushed the political contribution limits even lower, as this limits large organizations like unions from buying votes.



Ontario and BC have the same problem, 5-7 unemployed teachers for every job opening. Alberta and other provinces have the opposite problem, not enough teachers. This is why Alberta has the highest salaries to attract teachers, and BC among the lowest cause we don't need to attract teachers, we have too many.

I also love the ads, it only shows how greedy teachers are, and how dumb they are that those ads are just wasting their own money they could be using to offset the raise they won't get.

You don't mean to say that education is a business like any other, do you?

Because I thought that if little Johnny's teachers all make 90 thou, he'll start getting A's.

I could get behind a teacher program that describes teachers using their own money to supplement classroom materials, thus the need for more supplies for your children. An ad that describes teachers working free overtime to supplement the education of children, and a voice over saying, "and yes, we'd like a cost of living increase as well" Because all of that happens, and I understand that not increasing pay is a pay decrease.

BUT

They go on about BC PLace(which I'm not going to lie, I kind of get) and tell me that their salaries are in 9th place.

Well, so are the provinces finances.

Maybe you could mow lawns during the summer to make a little extra scratch.

[Gridlock]

And let's bring this back to the topic at hand. People's expectations that electing the conservatives was like inviting the National Socialist German Workers' Party to form government.

People get pissed off when anyone tables a bill to change the internet-which I get! But making it a little easier to find pedobears and hardcore copyright infringers adds a layer of responsibility to the internet in my mind.

It isn't the child porn that pisses people off, its the guys that put the latest movie online for download, and those that download that movie to watch that everyone wants to protect.

"I want you to spend $100 million on this movie so I can watch it for free."

Further, everyone was watching for what the conservatives would do with a majority. Oh shit! They are going to lock Canada down and start voting through a conservative social agenda! Mayhem.

They got rid of a useless gun registry and bought a few flying guns. Made some motions to make health care funding in some way match the finances of the country.

PURE insanity.

I don't actually regret my vote. As I said, I would prefer that there was a liberal party that wasn't imploding, but they obviously were not ready to even form opposition in the last election, but I don't think the conservatives have done a bad job.

Harper has even loosened the stick in his ass a smidge and learned to fake a smile.

[taylor192]

You don't mean to say that education is a business like any other, do you?
All jobs should reflect market value salary, not be artificially protected by unions/government/...

We have too many teachers. Why? Cause it seemed like a nice job that paid well, so too many people went to school for it. If the market reflected that, perhaps some people wouldn't have gone to school for it, perhaps some wouldn't be teachers, and we'd find a balance. If the balance swings the other way, like in Alberta, salaries go up to attract teachers and students to become teachers.

[taylor192]

People get pissed off when anyone tables a bill to change the internet-which I get! But making it a little easier to find pedobears and hardcore copyright infringers adds a layer of responsibility to the internet in my mind.

It isn't the child porn that pisses people off, its the guys that put the latest movie online for download, and those that download that movie to watch that everyone wants to protect.

"I want you to spend $100 million on this movie so I can watch it for free."

Nail on head.

Opinions online, especially on forums with younger memberships are going to be very against censoring the internet cause they are the largest demographic for distributing pirated material. Ask my mom what she thinks of this bill, she wouldn't give 2 shits.

I used to be there, downloading music, moves, games, programs, .... yet not that I'm older, have a few $$$ to spare, and there's many legal ways to download I'd rather just buy it and avoid the hassle.

If Harper really wants to see that I surf RS too much, go ahead. Hi Stevie! :hi:

[smarv]

Conservatives... I don't think this deserves its own thread but since were on the topic of politics. Im starting to worry about where the conservatives plan to take this country. I think this bill is aimed to slow/stop a possible future revolution, if anybody has seen V for vendetta then you will know what I'm talking about. i also just bought 2 guy fawkes mask from ebay for $7 each just because of this :fuckyea:

Bill C-309 | openparliament.ca (http://openparliament.ca/bills/41-1/C-309/)
Bill C-309

Preventing Persons from Concealing Their Identity during Riots and Unlawful Assemblies Act
An Act to amend the Criminal Code (concealment of identity)

[LIKEABOSS]

Conservatives... I dodn't think this deserves its own thread but since were on the topic of politics. Im starting to worry about where the conservatives plan to take this country. I think this bill is aimed to slow/stop a possible future revolution, if anybody has seen V for vendetta then you will know what I'm talking about. i also bought 2 guy fawkes mask from ebay $7 each :fuckyea:

Bill C-309 | openparliament.ca (http://openparliament.ca/bills/41-1/C-309/)

Where'd you get the masks? :D

[smarv]

Ebay, search "guy fawkes mask" there all between $5-10 each w/shipping

[Death2Theft]

It's amazing to see how easily you guys give up on free speech that was paid for with the blood of your forefathers. Oh well who needs a constitution anyways.

[taylor192]

It's amazing to see how easily you guys give up on free speech that was paid for with the blood of your forefathers. Oh well who needs a constitution anyways.

Canada doesn't have freedom of speech built into our constitution. Stop quoting stupid American TV shows.

In the US you can get away with saying racist things under the protection of their constitution. Here we decided people don't have the right to say hateful things and are not protected by our constitution.

If you're going to quote what our forefathers fought hard for, you might want to respect them by at least getting it right.

[LiquidTurbo]

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[Gridlock]

Canada doesn't have freedom of speech built into our constitution. Stop quoting stupid American TV shows.

In the US you can get away with saying racist things under the protection of their constitution. Here we decided people don't have the right to say hateful things and are not protected by our constitution.

If you're going to quote what our forefathers fought hard for, you might want to respect them by at least getting it right.

Number 1 complaint when discussing Canadian politics is the fact we usually discuss some hybrid US/Canada system invented by Canadians watching US TV.

Our forefathers fought for nothing. The American Revolution was Americans fighting to cut ties with England over issues of taxation, among other things. Meanwhile, Canadians said, "we cool" and Canada was used as a base of attack on several occasions against America.

We finally severed ties politically in a reading of a bill in the British Parliament in the 80's I think. There were several moves towards affirming our own independence at several points through the earlier 20th century.

Our constitution is very different from the US, and that is why we don't have guns.

[Great68]

Our constitution is very different from the US, and that is why we don't have guns.

Though it's really not all that difficult for Canadians to purchase and own legal guns.

[Gridlock]

Though it's really not all that difficult for Canadians to purchase and own legal guns.

Yes, I vastly over-simplified that statement. We certainly don't do guns the way Americans do guns. Try doing an open carry in Vancouver and tell me how it goes. ;)

Although major props to getting rid of the long-gun registry.

[bengy]

I used to be there, downloading music, moves, games, programs, .... yet not that I'm older, have a few $$$ to spare, and there's many legal ways to download I'd rather just buy it and avoid the hassle.

If Harper really wants to see that I surf RS too much, go ahead. Hi Stevie! :hi:

Great reasoning! "I used to pirate shit and got away with it, but now that I don't do it anymore and this won't affect me, please bust every 12 year old out there downloading Hollywood's crapola flicks." Must be fucking convenient!

You're a hypocrite just like this clown that's trying to bring this bill.

I find it ironic you are a software developer? When did you stop stealing programs, before or after you got hired?

[will068]

This is bull.

If the conservatives are really against pedophiles, they should push our judicial system to have stricter penalties on pedophiles. e.g. life in prison sentences, placing the convicted pedophiles to the general prison population... etc.

[taylor192]

Great reasoning! "I used to pirate shit and got away with it, but now that I don't do it anymore and this won't affect me, please bust every 12 year old out there downloading Hollywood's crapola flicks." Must be fucking convenient!

You're a hypocrite just like this clown that's trying to bring this bill.

I find it ironic you are a software developer? When did you stop stealing programs, before or after you got hired?

I did a lot of stupid shit when I was younger. I grew up. You might one day tooo.

[MindBomber]

Number 1 complaint when discussing Canadian politics is the fact we usually discuss some hybrid US/Canada system invented by Canadians watching US TV.

Our forefathers fought for nothing. The American Revolution was Americans fighting to cut ties with England over issues of taxation, among other things. Meanwhile, Canadians said, "we cool" and Canada was used as a base of attack on several occasions against America.

We finally severed ties politically in a reading of a bill in the British Parliament in the 80's I think. There were several moves towards affirming our own independence at several points through the earlier 20th century.

Our constitution is very different from the US, and that is why we don't have guns.

I could not agree more with that statement.

Americans are crazy, I would have great difficulty ever spending an extended duration of time there.

[Death2Theft]

Same with drunk driving make it a death sentence and see how much money you'd save in road blocks where some jackass gets a 24hr impound.
This is bull.

If the conservatives are really against pedophiles, they should push our judicial system to have stricter penalties on pedophiles. e.g. life in prison sentences, placing the convicted pedophiles to the general prison population... etc.

[Death2Theft]

Yes because we dont have freedom of expression or anything. :whistle:
Riiight so those that died in ww1-2 was just a silly canadian ritual, wasn't like they were fighting for freedom or anything.
Canada doesn't have freedom of speech built into our constitution. Stop quoting stupid American TV shows.

In the US you can get away with saying racist things under the protection of their constitution. Here we decided people don't have the right to say hateful things and are not protected by our constitution.

If you're going to quote what our forefathers fought hard for, you might want to respect them by at least getting it right.

[taylor192]

Yes because we dont have freedom of expression or anything. :whistle:
Riiight so those that died in ww1-2 was just a silly canadian ritual, wasn't like they were fighting for freedom or anything.
Instead of actually learning what it is to be Canadian, you respond with more stupidity. Those who died in war for our country would not be proud of you.

:facepalm:

[Death2Theft]

Listen smart guy, why dont you go down to the next novembrance day march and ask those idiots what they were doing. Just because something has been established doesn't mean you dont have to stand up and continue fighting for it. Which is also exactly what we should be doing now by fighting these spying/tracking internet limitation laws.
Instead of actually learning what it is to be Canadian, you respond with more stupidity. Those who died in war for our country would not be proud of you.

:facepalm:

[taylor192]

Listen smart guy, why dont you go down to the next novembrance day march and ask those idiots what they were doing. Just because something has been established doesn't mean you dont have to stand up and continue fighting for it. Which is also exactly what we should be doing now by fighting these spying/tracking internet limitation laws.
Hey asshole, when was the last remembrance day ceremony you actually attended? I watch or attend every remembrance day ceremony.

Don't you fucking lecture me on this. I respect our military, my friends currently serve and I have the utmost respect for them. I resppect them by knowing what they are fighting for, not some Americanized TV version of it.

I have ZERO respect for fucktards like you that don't even understand what it is to be Canadian, then preach to me. I bet you haven't even attended a remembrance day ceremony. Go watch so more American TV dumbass.

Mods, sorry for the language.

[belka]

I have ZERO respect for fucktards like you that don't even understand what it is to be Canadian

Pretty easy to pick out those ignorant little cunts like him in a crowd. Some times we are lucky, like with those Occupy protests few months ago, when they gather in a large group. Easier to round them up like cattle and herd them into a nice bath, courtesy of the Vancouver Fire Department hoses.

[LiquidTurbo]

I thought we were talking about internet tracking..

[smarv]

RCMP investigating threats to Vic Toews from Anonymous hacker group (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/RCMP+investigating+threats+Toews+from+Anonymous+ha cker+group/6177638/story.html)

:bowdown: anonymous.

I hope anonymous succseeds in taking toews and this silly bill down.

[Bouncing Bettys]

I thought we were talking about internet tracking..

Given that the internet has arguably become the most powerful media tool of the common man, where once unions gave that power, and where people not long ago, fought and died to give us these tools, I can give a pass on the straying off topic. It is a major isssue at the heart of a power struggle that has gone global.

The insults seen in here really have no place in the debate but in Fight Club where no one will read them.

[Death2Theft]

So what exactly might they be fighting for? Certainly nothing mentioned in our national anthem right? Glad to see your butt hurt.
Hey asshole, when was the last remembrance day ceremony you actually attended? I watch or attend every remembrance day ceremony.

Don't you fucking lecture me on this. I respect our military, my friends currently serve and I have the utmost respect for them. I resppect them by knowing what they are fighting for, not some Americanized TV version of it.

I have ZERO respect for fucktards like you that don't even understand what it is to be Canadian, then preach to me. I bet you haven't even attended a remembrance day ceremony. Go watch so more American TV dumbass.

Mods, sorry for the language.

[taylor192]

So what exactly might they be fighting for? Certainly nothing mentioned in our national anthem right? Glad to see your butt hurt.
Glad to confirm you don't attend remembrance day ceremonies. They fight for what's written in our laws, you might want to learn them one day from something other than American TV.

Back on topic, apparently even Toews is backing away from this bill cause of a clause that would give police officers rights to this information under "exceptional circumstances" without listing what that means. Without that clause, police can only request this information as part of an ongoing investigation - thus essentially if they were going to get a warrant anyways.

[Gridlock]

I could not agree more with that statement.

Americans are crazy, I would have great difficulty ever spending an extended duration of time there.

I'm with you. We may sit right next to the border, but cheap gas and groceries are so not worth the trip across the border.

The country is basically so screwed in my mind that I can't even bring myself to use them.

[ilovebacon]

So r they passing this bill?
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[Death2Theft]

So I guess that means we dont have freedom of expression as a written law/right. You sure schooled me. Thanks for confirming.
Glad to confirm you don't attend remembrance day ceremonies. They fight for what's written in our laws, you might want to learn them one day from something other than American TV.

Back on topic, apparently even Toews is backing away from this bill cause of a clause that would give police officers rights to this information under "exceptional circumstances" without listing what that means. Without that clause, police can only request this information as part of an ongoing investigation - thus essentially if they were going to get a warrant anyways.

[LIKEABOSS]

The country is basically so screwed in my mind that I can't even bring myself to use them.

I am a student of political science and history and what is happening to the US is really freaking me out too. It is quite clear that they are becoming a police state and since we are right next to them, we can expect that some of that paranoia will spill over here. (The Canadian Conservative Party's Bill C-30 is a case in point, "there are pedophiles everywhere, you're either with us or with the pedophiles!" ... gee, where did we hear similar rhetoric before?)

If this craziness continues, I will be applying for duel-citizenship to another country for myself and my family just in case the SHTF. Many wealthy individuals in the US have already packed their bags and left (ie. James Cameron moved his family to New Zealand, Doug Casey moved his family to Argentina, Jim Rogers moved to Singapore, James Turk moved to Europe, to name just a few)

[taylor192]

So I guess that means we dont have freedom of expression as a written law/right. You sure schooled me. Thanks for confirming.
If you'd been paying attention you'd have known we do NOT have 100% "freedom" in Canada. Our constitution includes "freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression" with a big gotcha that's different than the similar American clause.

In Canada "freedom" has limits unlike in the US. In the US racist/sexist/bigoted/... comments are protected under their "freedom" while in Canada it is considered a hate crime and is not protected - you'd know this subtle difference if you didn't learn Canadian law from CSI and Law & Order.

I sure hope you're not a political science major.

[Death2Theft]

When did I ever say that our freedoms are the same as the americans? Your putting words in my mouth and then telling me I'm wrong. Next time you want to pick a fight go talk to a mirror, saves the rest of us alot of time.

[taylor192]

When did I ever say that our freedoms are the same as the americans? Your putting words in my mouth and then telling me I'm wrong. Next time you want to pick a fight go talk to a mirror, saves the rest of us alot of time.

Your words speak for themselves:
It's amazing to see how easily you guys give up on free speech that was paid for with the blood of your forefathers. Oh well who needs a constitution anyways.

As has been pointed out, we didn't go to war for our rights, and we don't have "free speech" - yet nice back tracking.

Next time you want to open your mouth, please don't, shut it.

[Death2Theft]

We went to war to defend our rights makes no diff to me. Freedom is something every citizen should be on the lookout to defend/fight/preserve. It's not something thats won once and never challenged again. Play semantics all you want.

[belka]

Here is my question for those of you pissed off about this, or pretty much anything Harper does that you don't like. Do you actually do anything about it or just bitch and whine on internet forums?

[taylor192]

Play semantics all you want.

Its not semantics, its history and the law. You'd do well to learn both.

[Death2Theft]

Ok you're right our forefathers were just playing cowboys and Indians at ww1 and 2, not defending our freedoms.
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[smarv]

Hacker group Anonymous threatens Vic Toews | CTV Atlantic (http://atlantic.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120220/hackers-anonymous-toews-20120220/20120220/?hub=AtlanticHome)

Just saw this on ctv, it looks like the bill will be rewritten, :thumbs: up to anonymous for raising enough awareness hopefully it can just be thrown out.

[gars]

Ok you're right our forefathers were just playing cowboys and Indians at ww1 and 2, not defending our freedoms.
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Defending our freedoms while interning Japanese Canadians... :P

[Death2Theft]

Lotta good thats gonna do you on mar 8th when the fbi goes into your computer to fix a "virus" for you! How thoughtful!
Will the FBI shut down the Internet on March 8 because of computer virus concerns? | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102856/Will-FBI-shut-Internet-March-8-virus-concerns.html)

[Gridlock]

Ok you're right our forefathers were just playing cowboys and Indians at ww1 and 2, not defending our freedoms.
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Oh man, I've just been biting my tongue on you for a couple of days while you've just been digging your self into a deeper, more stupid hole. I figured that if anyone on this board was not gonna need help on schooling you, it was Taylor.

BUT this just takes some fucking cake man!

FIRST...when we talk "forefathers" we don't mean our grandfathers. We'd probably say "grandfathers". We refer to forefathers as those that began the country. Don't know about you, but it was my grandfather's generation that fought in WWII.

Noun 1. forefather - the founder of a family; "keep the faith of our forefathers"
father, sire
ancestor, antecedent, ascendant, ascendent, root - someone from whom you are descended (but usually more remote than a grandparent)
patriarch - any of the early biblical characters regarded as fathers of the human race

SECOND...the forefathers of our country did nothing to fight for freedoms in the sense of taking up arms and killing some fine british folk. We said fuck it! Keep us in the loop. I'm not saying one is better than the other, as we both got to the same place eventually.

THIRD...our latest constitution was ratified in, um, 1982. The one previous to that was in the 60's. Neither era had anything to do with WWII. Neither of those had anything to do with the US constitution. Which by the way, could stand with a little updating itself, if such an idea wouldn't rupture the country at the seams.

[LIKEABOSS]

I think he was speaking in more general terms. That is, our "forefathers" (really elders) fought in the great wars against totalitarianism and fascism which enabled us to live as we do today, that is as a free people. And now, there is a small group of people (neocons among them) who are trying to take that hard-won freedom away (and very successfully I might add).

For those who are interested into delving into this topic further, check out Aaron Russo's videos on Youtube. The totalitarian project that he asserts Rockefeller divulged to him is quite chilling to say the least. Though, you don't need Aaron Russo's retelling to see what is going on down south, it is quite plain to see.

[MindBomber]

SECOND...the forefathers of our country did nothing to fight for freedoms in the sense of taking up arms and killing some fine british folk. We said fuck it! Keep us in the loop. I'm not saying one is better than the other, as we both got to the same place eventually.


Grid, you can choose not to take a position on whether the American or Canadian approach to independence from the British is better, but I will.

The American approach:

Pro
- It gives them something to be patriotic about.

Con
- It establishes a series of negative trends that continue in America.
- Thousands upon thousands of people died.
- Loyalists were displaced from homes.
- Families were broken apart.

The Canadian approach:

Pro
- Established the Canadian traditional of peaceful resolution to conflict.
- Effective ongoing partnerships between Canadian and Brits.
- No ONE DIED.
- Allowed us to continue political ties to the monarchy (debatable).

Con
- It took longer, meh... is that even a problem?

[Gridlock]

Well, its not even a matter of one over the other as we didn't have the population in Canada that they did in the colonies to even get pissed with the Brits in the first place.

But, let's not go too far off course here as this has no relevance to the subject of those evil conservatives planning to enslave our digital asses online.

[taylor192]

I think he was speaking in more general terms. That is, our "forefathers" (really elders) fought in the great wars against totalitarianism and fascism which enabled us to live as we do today, that is as a free people. And now, there is a small group of people (neocons among them) who are trying to take that hard-won freedom away (and very successfully I might add).
The left does as much to take away our freedoms as the right. The right does it with a police state, the left with taxes.

Thus why it is hard to quote "what our forefathers fought for" cause the country they fought for is not the country we live in today.

[Redlines_Daily]

Oh man, I've just been biting my tongue on you for a couple of days while you've just been digging your self into a deeper, more stupid hole. I figured that if anyone on this board was not gonna need help on schooling you, it was Taylor.

BUT this just takes some fucking cake man!

FIRST...when we talk "forefathers" we don't mean our grandfathers. We'd probably say "grandfathers". We refer to forefathers as those that began the country. Don't know about you, but it was my grandfather's generation that fought in WWII.

Noun 1. forefather - the founder of a family; "keep the faith of our forefathers"
father, sire
ancestor, antecedent, ascendant, ascendent, root - someone from whom you are descended (but usually more remote than a grandparent)
patriarch - any of the early biblical characters regarded as fathers of the human race

SECOND...the forefathers of our country did nothing to fight for freedoms in the sense of taking up arms and killing some fine british folk. We said fuck it! Keep us in the loop. I'm not saying one is better than the other, as we both got to the same place eventually.

THIRD...our latest constitution was ratified in, um, 1982. The one previous to that was in the 60's. Neither era had anything to do with WWII. Neither of those had anything to do with the US constitution. Which by the way, could stand with a little updating itself, if such an idea wouldn't rupture the country at the seams.

.

[Death2Theft]

Who is this "we"? I spoke of forefathers and as far as dictionary.com is concerned
fore·fa·ther   /ˈfɔrˌfɑðər, ˈfoʊr-/ Show Spelled[fawr-fah-ther, fohr-] Show IPA
noun
an ancestor

or

World English Dictionary
forefather (ˈfɔːˌfɑːðə)

— n
an ancestor, esp a male

'forefatherly

— adj


I dont know too many people who have grandfathers from ww1 kicking around but if you do good for you.

How many times have I mentioned that freedom must be defended and stood up for? I dont care to count. If you still decide to be a brick about it then :toot: for you.
Oh man, I've just been biting my tongue on you for a couple of days while you've just been digging your self into a deeper, more stupid hole. I figured that if anyone on this board was not gonna need help on schooling you, it was Taylor.

BUT this just takes some fucking cake man!

FIRST...when we talk "forefathers" we don't mean our grandfathers. We'd probably say "grandfathers". We refer to forefathers as those that began the country. Don't know about you, but it was my grandfather's generation that fought in WWII.

Noun 1. forefather - the founder of a family; "keep the faith of our forefathers"
father, sire
ancestor, antecedent, ascendant, ascendent, root - someone from whom you are descended (but usually more remote than a grandparent)
patriarch - any of the early biblical characters regarded as fathers of the human race

SECOND...the forefathers of our country did nothing to fight for freedoms in the sense of taking up arms and killing some fine british folk. We said fuck it! Keep us in the loop. I'm not saying one is better than the other, as we both got to the same place eventually.

THIRD...our latest constitution was ratified in, um, 1982. The one previous to that was in the 60's. Neither era had anything to do with WWII. Neither of those had anything to do with the US constitution. Which by the way, could stand with a little updating itself, if such an idea wouldn't rupture the country at the seams.

[taylor192]

How many times have I mentioned that freedom must be defended and stood up for?
Mention it as many times as you want, you don't know what freedoms you're defending and why.

[Snugglez]

Grid, you can choose not to take a position on whether the American or Canadian approach to independence from the British is better, but I will.

The American approach:

Pro
- It gives them something to be patriotic about.

Con
- It establishes a series of negative trends that continue in America.
- Thousands upon thousands of people died.
- Loyalists were displaced from homes.
- Families were broken apart.

The Canadian approach:

Pro
- Established the Canadian traditional of peaceful resolution to conflict.
- Effective ongoing partnerships between Canadian and Brits.
- No ONE DIED.
- Allowed us to continue political ties to the monarchy (debatable).

Con
- It took longer, meh... is that even a problem?

There isnt any "ongoing partnerships between Canadian and Brits".
Canada decided to end the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council's active role in Canadian decisions.
We only have a relationship TOWARDS the Queen. Not the British Government. And FYI, the American Independence helped shaped our constitution indirectly, thus, it should be a Pro.

[Snugglez]

We went to war to defend our rights makes no diff to me. Freedom is something every citizen should be on the lookout to defend/fight/preserve. It's not something thats won once and never challenged again. Play semantics all you want.

Sorry for the repost,
We didnt have to defend our rights, we never had and hopefully, never will. Our "Rights and Freedoms" were created from our mistakes in the past. What is this "freedom" that you speak of?

[MindBomber]

Well, its not even a matter of one over the other as we didn't have the population in Canada that they did in the colonies to even get pissed with the Brits in the first place.

But, let's not go too far off course here as this has no relevance to the subject of those evil conservatives planning to enslave our digital asses online.

I almost forgot that's what this thread is about, it's digressed so far.

Of everything Steven Harper does, this pisses me off to a relatively limited extent. I'm vastly more opposed to his policies regarding prisons and mandatory minimums.

There isnt any "ongoing partnerships between Canadian and Brits".
Canada decided to end the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council's active role in Canadian decisions.
We only have a relationship TOWARDS the Queen. Not the British Government. And FYI, the American Independence helped shaped our constitution indirectly, thus, it should be a Pro.

Not now, no. I was referring to the very close relationship that existed between Canada and Great Britian for many decades following confederation, which was beneficial for both countries.

I wouldn't consider American Independence having influenced our constitution indirectly a pro, because that's nothing more than a general case study by the writers of our constitution.

[Snugglez]

I almost forgot that's what this thread is about, it's digressed so far.

Of everything Steven Harper does, this pisses me off to a relatively limited extent. I'm vastly more opposed to his policies regarding prisons and mandatory minimums.



Not now, no. I was referring to the very close relationship that existed between Canada and Great Britian for many decades following confederation, which was beneficial for both countries.

I wouldn't consider American Independence having influenced our constitution indirectly a pro, because that's nothing more than a general case study by the writers of our constitution.

The displaced British Loyalists had nothing to do with our constitution?

[MindBomber]

The displaced British Loyalists had nothing to do with our constitution?

Is that what I said?

No.

I just don't think Americans deserve any credit for something that was an unintended result of the Revolutionary war.

[Snugglez]

Lotta good thats gonna do you on mar 8th when the fbi goes into your computer to fix a "virus" for you! How thoughtful!
Will the FBI shut down the Internet on March 8 because of computer virus concerns? | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102856/Will-FBI-shut-Internet-March-8-virus-concerns.html)

The FBI operates in Canada? :fulloffuck:

[Death2Theft]

Do you really think what happens in the states wont soon follow elsewhere? :fulloffuck:
The FBI operates in Canada? :fulloffuck:

[Snugglez]

Do you really think what happens in the states wont soon follow elsewhere? :fulloffuck:

Um, no not really.

[Lomac]

Bill C-30 was officially shelved yesterday.

Government killing online surveillance bill - Politics - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/02/11/pol-rob-nicholson-criminal-code-changes.html)

[inv4zn]

Wow, some fucking common sense.