[skiiipi]

Hey guys

in my search for a S2000, I came across this dealership in Abbotsford

Just wondering if anybody has heard anything about them.....one thing that "shocks" me is the amount of S2000s they have in their pre-owned inventory....something just does not seem "right" when a dealership is holding on to so many pre-owned low km S2000s.

Used Honda for Sale in Abbotsford, BC | The Honda Way (http://www.hondaway.com/en/usedcars/listing/index.spy?make=Honda&year1=&year2=&km1=&km2=)


Any feed back would be appreciated.

[skiiipi]

So I just phoned the dealership...looks like I might have answered my own question
all the S2000 listed are US cars, looks like they bring up cars from US and sell them up here.

i actually called about this particular one
Used 2006 Honda S2000 for Sale in Abbotsford, BC - Price | The Honda Way (http://www.hondaway.com/en/usedcars/listing/details.spy?id=4125468)
2006 AP2 with 43000 KMs ( called to confirm that its KM and not Miles), however they have had this car in their inventory for over 7 month now.....as with most of their S2Ks.....would it be safe to "skip these guys" from my shopping?....cause one would assume that a low KM S2000 would be a "gem"...and if a dealership is sitting on so many, their must be somethings wrong with it.....

[spyker]

I was recently there with a friend to look at a S2000 too,I also noticed alot of the cars were US imports and way overpriced.

If you are going to by a US import,you're better off heading down stateside and getting one yourself and save $$$.

[HondaGuy]

I recall one of their salesman is on RS... His name is Sokha
Nice guy!

Yah they do hve a lot of preowned s2k on lot.
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[cdizzle_996]

90% of those S2000's have been there for over a year, probably because theyre asking 25k for AP1's...

[bensta]

sokha is cool. but his dipshit sales manager wouldnt let me even test drive a ap1 when i went in because "they are very rare cars and we want to keep the km low" so i walked away.

[BillyBishop]

Those are incredibly high prices... I see several for over $30k.

[twitchyzero]

sokha is cool. but his dipshit sales manager wouldnt let me even test drive a ap1 when i went in because "they are very rare cars and we want to keep the km low" so i walked away.
S2000 are rare cars...i only see half a dozen of them each day

[accordpoop]

When I was shopping around for a ap2 I found that only a few thousand s2000 where sold up north compared state side where they sold like 40000 of them. So I guess you can say it is rare to see a Canadian s2k.

[MindBomber]

When I was shopping around for a ap2 I found that only a few thousand s2000 where sold up north compared state side where they sold like 40000 of them. So I guess you can say it is rare to see a Canadian s2k.

Total production was 66860, but I believe less than 10% of those were sold in Canada.

That's why Honda Way adopted the S2000 importing strategy, because they're able to position themselves as the best dealership to buy an S from for those not interested in going through the private market. Nothing suspicious about it, and although the prices are high, check out the used prices at other dealerships, they aren't all that far off. S2000s don't sell fast, maintaining an inventory of s2ks is essential to the strategy, that's why they sit around.

If you want to go the cheap route, do the leg work and buy private, simple as that.

[donjalapeno]

I recall one of their salesman is on RS... His name is Sokha
Nice guy!

Yah they do hve a lot of preowned s2k on lot.
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sokha is cool. but his dipshit sales manager wouldnt let me even test drive a ap1 when i went in because "they are very rare cars and we want to keep the km low" so i walked away.

i believe sokha works at BMW of langley now.

[Gridlock]

sokha is cool. but his dipshit sales manager wouldnt let me even test drive a ap1 when i went in because "they are very rare cars and we want to keep the km low" so i walked away.

I know its not what you probably meant, but perhaps the dipshit salesmanager didn't feel like having a bunch of test pilots bouncing his cars off the rev limiter if they weren't even intending to buy?

[Gridlock]

A lot of hate on sales lots and salesmen today.

Am I assuming that was is needed right now to be a successful car salesman is:

1. full inventory of the exact car that people are looking for, new or used
2. no profit. Work for free
3. blow jobs apparently before someone will buy.

[RabidRat]

Holy shit $26,000 for an AP1.

[skiiipi]

Thanks for all the help everyone!
I'm not too keen on US imports mainly due to resale value and such.
Going over to the island on Saturday to take a closer look at
Used Car | Campus Honda Used Car | Victoria Honda Dealership (http://www.campushonda.com/used-car/?id=1566) this particular one, its a local island car, owned by two previous "older" owners (according to dealership), and they have all the service records as all the servicing has been done at the dealership.
i will "pull the trigger" if the pricing is right
thinking of trading my subaru legacy spec b for a S2K (already posted in another thread).
now just want to see the car in person before i make a move.

[RabidRat]

Make sure you check carefully for signs of wear on the inside of the soft top, specifically the passenger side rear. Really common for that area to tear, and replacing the top is over $2000.

If you haven't already, check on the Island section of s2ki to see if anyone can come with you.

[skiiipi]

Make sure you check carefully for signs of wear on the inside of the soft top, specifically the passenger side rear. Really common for that area to tear, and replacing the top is over $2000.

If you haven't already, check on the Island section of s2ki to see if anyone can come with you.

Hey thanks a lot!
Will thank when I get onto desktop
Don't I need to be a member of s2ki before I can post? And isn't their membership not free?
I'm going to get a PPI done at "5252", which I heard is a reputable shop on the island.
But I will try to see if an island S2Ki member can come as well, it would give me an additional peace of mind.
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[RabidRat]

Nah, it's free to sign up to post, paid membership is just to access the Hotties section, get more PM inbox capacity, and ability to sell stuff in the buy/sell.

Oh ok if you're getting it professionally checked out you're prolly ok then, but the issue with the top is a pretty subtle s2k specific issue, just take a quick look yourself :)
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[kwy]

Nearly 30k for an AP1 is outrageous. Used S2Ks are dipping into the 10k range. Obviously the condition wont be the same, but thats way too big of a differential.

[twitchyzero]

Total production was 66860, but I believe less than 10% of those were sold in Canada.

That's why Honda Way adopted the S2000 importing strategy, because they're able to position themselves as the best dealership to buy an S from for those not interested in going through the private market. Nothing suspicious about it, and although the prices are high, check out the used prices at other dealerships, they aren't all that far off. S2000s don't sell fast, maintaining an inventory of s2ks is essential to the strategy, that's why they sit around.

If you want to go the cheap route, do the leg work and buy private, simple as that.

sorry...that amount of price gouging isn't cool. Canadian model might be somewhat hard to find, but trying to sell US imports that are aged 10 years or more with only 25-30% deppreciation when the dollar is on par = okay good luck

they are not trying to sell NSXs

[shantz]

My sister works in their business office, and I've had a lot of business relations with them in the body shop industry. I wouldn't hesitate to buy a car from them.

Let me know if you need any further insight.

[Mashimaro]

i went there to look at 2 S2K's about year ago and Sokha helped me out.

test drove 2 of them, liked a mint white one in the end (AP1) which was also a US car, but had less than 20,000kms on the odo.

sat down to talk some numbers and the sales manager would not agree any price offered, even if it was $1000 off from their asking price.

Sokha was great as a salesman, but i walked away because his hands were tied by his boss for negotiation. it's too bad because i'm sure they can sell a lot of those cars if they would move on the price even a little bit.

if there was a disclaimer saying no negotiations, i would understand...but these are used cars and i'm sure they can move at least more than $200 off the asking price.

maybe the policy has changed now.

[ddonovan]

Sokha isn't there any more but I do have the managers name. The Honda Way supports the Vancouver Island Poker Run in a big way and I have been at events at thier lot. They do import US cars but because there are more of them and of course they are cheaper. As to what Honda Way charges I can't comment. It's a business.

There are a bunch of S2000's on the island right now as well.

http://sigcreator.andrewjnuttall.com/s2k/created/DDonovan.png?rand=139012376

[Levitron]

Quite a bit of info I dug up before: http://www.revscene.net/forums/637069-s2k-daily-driver.html

I still haven't found my S2K yet...but that's just because of other things more important in life ;)

[bb4srv]

skiiipi, the S2000 is the greatest thing ever built in its era and still is today. I just picked up a used one last year and loving it. I looked at a few at Honda Way also and they will not back down on prices.

[Lomac]

For the record, and slightly off topic, I bought my Accord from Honda Way a couple years ago now. They were quite pleasant to deal with. I got a decent deal on my car (though I imagine buying the extended warranty helped with that lol). The guy I bought the car off of even showed me the original invoice that they paid for it to let me know how good of a deal I got :lol No, they wont budge on many vehicles there but they were helpful and understanding. I wouldn't have an issue going back there to purchase another vehicle.

[skiiipi]

So my hunt continues
Saw the 2005 S2000 with 67000km at Campus Honda today, the condition of the car was great, and thru some very helpful members at S2Ki we were able to get a full history of the car, and the car was very well taken care of.
However, after sitting down and negotiating prices and trade in, campus wanted an additional $9000 ontop of my trade in (2007 Subaru Legacy Spec B with 67000km) for the S2000.....so we weren't even in the same ballpark price wise.

I'll keep my eyes open I guess
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[SumAznGuy]

I'm sorry to hear that skiipi.

But that is way too much to pay for that 05.

Good luck with the search.

Is there any reason why they gave you such a low trade in value for your Subie?

[spyker]

I'm sorry to hear that skiipi.

But that is way too much to pay for that 05.

Good luck with the search.

Is there any reason why they gave you such a low trade in value for your Subie?
The low price in the trade in was standard black book price.They go by the condition of the vehicle to determine what it's worth wholesale.

If the dealership gave him retail price on the Subaru,they would not make any money reselling it due to them asking higher than above retail value to make anything.

[skiiipi]

They offered 17K for the trade which is on the "low end" spectrum of the black book, but they also won't budget on the 259xx asking price of the S, so the 2 put together made the car a bit "over priced".

Great condition car for someone who don't mind paying a bit more for a mint Canadian S2K for a clean history
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[kwy]

If they don't sell these S2Ks, they'll just sit there and continue to depreciate. The value is going nowhere but down, albeit slowly.

[skiiipi]

If they don't sell these S2Ks, they'll just sit there and continue to depreciate. The value is going nowhere but down, albeit slowly.

Agreed, but there is plenty of fiancially "well-off" individuals in this city (and on the island) that don't mind paying a premium for a good condition S2000
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[skiiipi]

2005 Honda S2000 (http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Honda/S2000/PENTICTON/British%20Columbia/5_13397587_CT2004326103829817/)

just saw this posting go up on autotrader
seems like a good deal
going to go take a look hopefully on the 24th...anybody know if i'll be able to make it there in my subaru on summers? I took off my snow tires last week, never driven hwy 3 or 17 in "early spring" before. And if I do "close" the S2K, would I be able to drive it back in late March? Or am I better off to slap on my snowtires and go?

[Paradise240]

I wouldn't buy from a dealership which says the S2000 is a FWD :lawl:

Back to your question, I myself haven't driven in that area in early Spring, but I would stay on the safe side and slap on snow tires anyways seeing as your a couple of hours away from home in a area you're not familiar with.

[UFO]

The thing with out of town dealerships, if they know you made the trek and trip to see the car, they know you want it pretty bad. You lose some of your bargaining power; they'll knock less off their asking or give you less on your trade-in.

If you make the trip and can't close the deal, you've potentially spent $1000 in time/gas between your 2 long trips that you could have put towards the car with nothing to show for. Something to consider.

[MindBomber]

2005 Honda S2000 (http://www.autotrader.ca/a/Honda/S2000/PENTICTON/British%20Columbia/5_13397587_CT2004326103829817/)

just saw this posting go up on autotrader
seems like a good deal
going to go take a look hopefully on the 24th...anybody know if i'll be able to make it there in my subaru on summers? I took off my snow tires last week, never driven hwy 3 or 17 in "early spring" before. And if I do "close" the S2K, would I be able to drive it back in late March? Or am I better off to slap on my snowtires and go?

Either don't go, or put winter tires back on. I personally wouldn't even consider going on anything less than good winters, even somewhat late in the season.

The highway has been closed as recently as earlier this week as a result of conditions, and I highly doubt that insurance would cover you in an accident if you were on summers, since winters are required till April 30th.

[skiiipi]

I wouldn't buy from a dealership which says the S2000 is a FWD :lawl:

Back to your question, I myself haven't driven in that area in early Spring, but I would stay on the safe side and slap on snow tires anyways seeing as your a couple of hours away from home in a area you're not familiar with.

Haha yea, i noticed the FWD typo too, If I do drive their with my winters, gotta figure out a way to get the S2k and my winter rim/tires back to Richmond haha....that'll be a challenge...if I can close the deal that is.

The thing with out of town dealerships, if they know you made the trek and trip to see the car, they know you want it pretty bad. You lose some of your bargaining power; they'll knock less off their asking or give you less on your trade-in.

If you make the trip and can't close the deal, you've potentially spent $1000 in time/gas between your 2 long trips that you could have put towards the car with nothing to show for. Something to consider.

yea fully aware that i'm going to have less leverage with out of town dealerships, and don't want to fall for the "high balling" trick again like Campus Honda pulled on me......any suggestions?

Either don't go, or put winter tires back on. I personally wouldn't even consider going on anything less than good winters, even somewhat late in the season.

The highway has been closed as recently as earlier this week as a result of conditions, and I highly doubt that insurance would cover you in an accident if you were on summers, since winters are required till April 30th.


maybe i'll drive their with my winters, leave my summers in my backseat/trunk and if the S2K works out....arrange to pick it up a different day, and maybe take a 1 way rental back at dealerships expense? (doubt they'd agree to that though + i'd be out of a car for a few weeks)

[!SG]

3 words.

supply and demand.

those 3 words dictate the price, especially on the used car market. prime example, the price of an 1986 toyota corolla prior to a certain comic book's popularity.

sucks but thats how the world runs, no one holds a gun to your head to purchase a "want". regulations dictate guidelines on the practice of selling a car, but like most ppl know, the room for profit on pre owned vehicles is much higher, and in any business, who doesnt want to maximize profit? if the stock doesnt move though, thats your chance, profits mean nothing if its dead stock.

[UFO]

yea fully aware that i'm going to have less leverage with out of town dealerships, and don't want to fall for the "high balling" trick again like Campus Honda pulled on me......any suggestions?


Best option is to sell your car privately IMO; trying to involve a fair trade-in out of town makes things that much more complicated, not withstanding your winter tire issues. It will be hard for you to get back what you want in a trade-in because you feel the car is worth a premium due to being B-Spec, but the dealer will pay next to no attention to the limited edition factor. Like SG mentioned its about supply and demand, if there is no special demand for B-Spec, that will reflect in the price they offer you.

Because you are looking out of town, you have to give yourself as much flexibility as possible and cash is king here. You can negotiate a cash purchase price over the phone/email, offer up a credit card deposit to show the dealer you are serious, and make the offer conditional to the car checking out when you arrive. They won't seriously talk money with you over the phone/email if they feel you are just tire kicking, but if you leave a deposit that is an expression of good faith. You can look into taking out a short term bank loan to finance the new car purchase, and repay the loan as soon as you sell your Legacy. Bank interest for car loans is high, but if its only for a month or two, the actual cost should be very attractive to give yourself the added flexibility.

[skiiipi]

Just got a note that the S2000 at penticton honda is sold :(
Guess I'll keep looking
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