[Meowjin]

Anyone here suffer from it?

After months at the doctor's and months seeing councilors at school, they discovered that I was suffering from Adult ADHD.

It has gone undiagnosed over the years due to past issues that masked it up, but I'm now getting treatment for it.

As long as my holter monitor passes (I had arrhythmia show up on an EKG when i was getting all my vitals tested) I'll be put on atomoxetine. I've also been registered as being permanently disabled as it was effecting a major aspect of my life.

From what the psych is telling me, she is saying that a "whole new world will open up for you career wise". I could never understand why I could never complete tasks on time or start tasks, or come late for everything, but I started to read some material and my psyche began to ask about my school career and how my room was organized it started to become pretty evident that I was not suffering from an anxiety issue that I thought I was suffering before, but was suffering from this instead.

I also want to use this thread as a form of discussion because I know alot of people out there don't believe ADHD exist, or that drugging people up with ritalin (no different from doing coke to be honest) is not the solution.

Bully for Ritalin! - YouTube

some humour for the thread.

[SkinnyPupp]

I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat as you, based on what I've read about it. I know my brother has it and he is being medicated. Let me know how it goes, I might look into it a bit more

[Hondaracer]

how was your room organized that led them to belive that? [just curious]

[Meowjin]

how was your room organized that led them to belive that? [just curious]

For example, when I did laundry, i'd throw the clean laundry on my bed, leave it till i was about to go to bed, then just knock it off the bed. I wouldn't fold it for a weeks time. There was constant un organized piles in my room, my school papers were everywhere, and i had no sense of organizational skills.

A few other factors.

1) I've never done well in school, and i constantly leave assignments till the last minute or studying.

2) I had alot of difficulty reading textbooks as my mind would race, and i'd skip pages, sentences paragraphs. sometimes i'd even read a page and then i wouldn't remember what the hell I just read.

3) I am constantly late or forget appoitments/work/classes. I would stay up twisting and sleeping.

4) I have a constant sense of underachievement, and self esteem issues (grew up in a pretty conservative family so they brushed off mental illness, so any time i'd do bad in school for example I just got beat, and i kept thinking it was "my fault")

5) I have restless legs

6) I would feel ecstatic showing up for my nightclub job, because i'd be in a stimulating environment but would be misreably depressed (my psych described it as it being "death" with adhd) at my warehouse job. and the fact that i would work two jobs when it wasn't necessary is one too

7) random spurts of anger

8) no ability to multitask with school assignments.

I could keep going on and on, but it became pretty clear after a few sessions that my anxiety was being caused by the ADHD.

This is kinda of a huge relief. I always knew there was something wrong with me. I refused to believe that I was a "Dumb" person and that i was just "lazy" when I worked 60 hours a week for 5 years.

I would sit at a desk and try to read my textbook.

I'm more excited because I've heard insane success stories about people that suffered from Adult ADHD, so if it is truly ADHD and i start to focus better on my school and i can get a clearer training of thought and actually get shit done, im excited to see results.

edit: Forgot to add the impulsive stuff, such as gambling or eating.

[murd0c]

I get high it really helps

[cho]

Bro, never once I thought you were slow or dumb or whatever
Love you long time
No homo
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[Meowjin]

Bro, never once I thought you were slow or dumb or whatever
Love you long time
No homo
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See that was the issue, people knew i wasn't a dumbass, but I couldn't focus on one task long enough to complete it. Whether it be school or work, or hobby.

To find out at 25 is pretty painful. If this was addressed from the beginning of my school career, it wouldn't have been an issue.

[JKam]

weird... I do all of the same things. I think I might just be lazy but I've tried to overcome it to no avail. Maybe I'll look into this further.

infact this describes me to a tee

For example, when I did laundry, i'd throw the clean laundry on my bed, leave it till i was about to go to bed, then just knock it off the bed. I wouldn't fold it for a weeks time. There was constant un organized piles in my room, my school papers were everywhere, and i had no sense of organizational skills

[jdzle69]

Is it possible to "grow" out of ADHD?

When i was younger my teacher thought something was wrong with me, so she told my parents and they brought me to a special doctor and he basicaly said i have adhd and prescribed me some ritalin, i was a one hell of a rocket back than.... (haha)

Now i just smoke a fucking hell lot of weed and it kinda makes me feel a bit more calm and not as nervous.

[Glove]

the list you describe is pretty much everyone on the damn planet, me included. I throw my clothes everywhere, leave assignments for the last second, read something but think of another.

you know why?

the problem is there is too much shit that can distract you and kids these days.

iphone always in pocket, TV and desktop in bedroom, tablets all over the house, revscene, reddit, netflix, youtube, ect ect..

its no wonder people cant fuckin focus these days, there are too many stimulants everywhere,

and as a result they just throw drugs at people,

what did I do? I stayed and studied at school, I didnt go home until I knew the material, going home is the devil, the entire time I would try and read, Id look at the computer and see who was on ICQ or MSN. I remember realising this back when I was in grade 10 or 11, I would go home and haveto study, there was a TV in the living room, computer in my bedroom, and game consoles everywhere, I thought to myself, I cant fuckin study here, this is rediculous. Thank god I actually came to my own senses.

or people go to the library or late night timmies. that is the solution, get away from all the damn stimulants that are being shoved in your face all the time, and force yourself into a quiet area where nothing distracts you.

ALSO, reading and doing things you enjoy, makes you want to focus on them much more. if your reading a book on english theory, and its boring you to shit, aint nothing going to help you study it, its a topic that just doesnt interest you. thats not a desease, thats you.

I work in the public school system, and it fuckin disgusts me how many kids are being labelled as "special" or adhd, and have to seperate from their classes, if theres a class of 30, usually 10 of them are labbelled "special"

are you kidding me? the ones that are special are the ones who are texting in class, play angry birds on their ipads at school, and cant even finish a fucking sentence without mentioning hanna montana or justin bieber, and these kids are 8 years old ffs.

The asian parents have it right, no stimulants, only study time.

[Meowjin]

^ it's ok to think that. But you are wrong.

Getting put down your whole life because you were "considered" dumb and lazy is never good for ones self esteem.

Listen i'm not asking for handouts (like the school is pushing on me) but the fact that there is something wrong with you that you can't control is an ISSUE. Regardless of what you think.

The issue is I didn't leave it till the last minute. I'd do it 4-5 days before it was due, but I would just look at my laptop screen with a blank page constantly, unable to put my thoughts down on paper and leave it till the last minute. Sometimes the pressure is good. But when you actually set time aside for studying and constantly try to put it off.

Im 25. I'm not a kid. And you know what, if the treatment fucking works for me, and I start to improve vastly, then is it still me being lazy as shit? You know what. fuck you. I want my fucking 12 years back of being beaten for being lazy, failing courses multiple times, and being miserable in life and underachieved. You think I choose to fucking fail at stuff?

This is a real issue, and you can choose not to believe it, but some people legitly have this problem. They are not purposely putting it off, especially when you have no control.

The symptoms are not only in regards to school, but effect work life. There are many successful people that have ADHD and use their ADHD to their advantage. It's like being in the right place at the right time. Most people in hollywood have ADHD, and some of the most successful people out there have ADHD. But when you are not in the right place at the right time and trying to get somewhere, it can be a major road block.

Also I didn't expect so many PM's. If you guys have any more questions feel free to ask me through PM

edit: Might add that ADHD can be genetically and biologically proven, hence why it's considered a Permanent Disability.

[Meowjin]

Is it possible to "grow" out of ADHD?

When i was younger my teacher thought something was wrong with me, so she told my parents and they brought me to a special doctor and he basicaly said i have adhd and prescribed me some ritalin, i was a one hell of a rocket back than.... (haha)

Now i just smoke a fucking hell lot of weed and it kinda makes me feel a bit more calm and not as nervous.

You can grow out of ADHD, but 1/3rd of people who have legit ADHD stick with them their whole life.

The weed thing is your way of self medicating according to the resources I read. Cocaine is a popular choice too.

Me personally I was diagnosed with ADHD-C (Combined, both inactive and hyperactivity essentially)

[subordinate]

Being completely serious, don't forget to apply to the disability tax credit.

Details here, Line 316 - Disability amount (for self) (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/tpcs/ncm-tx/rtrn/cmpltng/ddctns/lns300-350/316/menu-eng.html)

[Ri2]

I support the OP with using this thread as a means to educate people. There's a lot of negativity/judgment that goes on with mental/emotional health issues. A lot of the time these can be brought on by chemical imbalances within our bodies. I believe therapy/counselling with the use of medication can help someone immensely.
There's a lot of talk like "meds are addicting, etc. etc." but I think people who TRULY want to improve their lives know that meds are not an overnight solution. Meds have the ability to help temporarily but therapy will provide the coping skills that will last throughout your lifetime.

People need to realize that everyone is different and unless you've been in their shoes, you can't tell someone that "oh it's brought on by this and this, if you did this then you wouldn't have this problem."
It's extremely insensitive and you make the person feel as though there is something wrong with them for being different. If you had a kid who suffering from ADHD, would you want people telling you that your parenting skills/home environment is the only reason your kid has that?

I've also heard countless stories of successful people with ADHD, it doesn't have to hold you back now that you will know the right tools to deal with it. It takes some real character to recognize it within yourself and take the steps to educate yourself/get help so I give props to those who do. I have clinical anxiety/depression and it took me months to see a doc so I understand the emotions/psychological effects that come with having an issue that's not well known or talked about.

[Phil@rise]

I dont believe there is such a thing as ADHD its just another way to sell drugs by saying someones charachet traits are wrong and a flaw.
Lets drug the sheep to be like all the other sheep.
There is nothin wrong with you. You are different that is all. Whats next lets drug gingers cus they must be sic they have red hair and act strange.
I'm tired of BS doctors tryin to sell drugs I'm tired of BS teachers to lazy to work with the kids selling drugs to make thier job easier and even worst I'm tired of lazy parents that just go along with what our so called lazy drug pushing professionals tell em without questioning it.
One of those so called docs tried to push ADHD on my daughter when she went to get her back checked out. Why cus she was fidgity from havin to take a leak.
There is nothing wrong with bein a scatterbrain with too much energy to burn.

[subordinate]

I dont believe there is such a thing as ADHD its just another way to sell drugs by saying someones charachet traits are wrong and a flaw.
Lets drug the sheep to be like all the other sheep.
There is nothin wrong with you. You are different that is all. Whats next lets drug gingers cus they must be sic they have red hair and act strange.
I'm tired of BS doctors tryin to sell drugs I'm tired of BS teachers to lazy to work with the kids selling drugs to make thier job easier and even worst I'm tired of lazy parents that just go along with what our so called lazy drug pushing professionals tell em without questioning it.
One of those so called docs tried to push ADHD on my daughter when she went to get her back checked out. Why cus she was fidgity from havin to take a leak.
There is nothing wrong with bein a scatterbrain with too much energy to burn.

Says the guy without ADHD.

It's great for people to voice their opinions, but without having experienced such symptoms. You can't relate at all, period.

[Ri2]

I dont believe there is such a thing as ADHD its just another way to sell drugs by saying someones charachet traits are wrong and a flaw.
Lets drug the sheep to be like all the other sheep.
There is nothin wrong with you. You are different that is all. Whats next lets drug gingers cus they must be sic they have red hair and act strange.
I'm tired of BS doctors tryin to sell drugs I'm tired of BS teachers to lazy to work with the kids selling drugs to make thier job easier and even worst I'm tired of lazy parents that just go along with what our so called lazy drug pushing professionals tell em without questioning it.
One of those so called docs tried to push ADHD on my daughter when she went to get her back checked out. Why cus she was fidgity from havin to take a leak.
There is nothing wrong with bein a scatterbrain with too much energy to burn.

Medication helps physical symptoms but therapy helps the emotional/psychological aspect. For effective assistance, both may be necessary. It's not about getting somebody to be "the same" as everyone else, it's about helping that person to perform to best of their ability.
Although I agree that nowadays doctors are quick to prescribe pills, holistic healing is becoming more socially acceptable.

We also have to take personal responsibility for our actions so it's a personal choice whether or not to take medication. Just because a doctor writes down a prescription, it doesn't mean they're putting a gun to your head and making you buy them. If people take them, it means they think it will help them.. you can't blame them for that. If not, maybe they have alternative methods in mind.

[SkinnyPupp]

Why doesn't this thread have fails? We need it right now :rukidding:

[Meowjin]

^I'm glad it's somewhat mature at least.

My psych gradded from mcmaster university, and if you know alot of stuff we know about ADHD is from universities such as mcmaster.

ADHD exists, just as much as ignornant adults.

Alot of people use ADHD to their benefit, but for others its a road block.

[Meowjin]

Being completely serious, don't forget to apply to the disability tax credit.

Details here, Line$316 - Disability amount (for self) (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/tpcs/ncm-tx/rtrn/cmpltng/ddctns/lns300-350/316/menu-eng.html)

Also alot of my student loan turns into grants, im eligible for disability CPP apparently.

I get volunteer note takers, free paid tutors and extra time on exams and assignments.

[yameen]

i think i went in the opposite direction. i feel like i'm developing adhd. i used to be so concentrated and focused on a task/homework. now i spend every 5 minutes surfing RS, facebook and what not while writing a paper. ugh.

[instantneedles]

i think i went in the opposite direction. i feel like i'm developing adhd. i used to be so concentrated and focused on a task/homework. now i spend every 5 minutes surfing RS, facebook and what not while writing a paper. ugh.

Man, I can relate. We need to develop better selective attention (being able to focus on the task at hand)

[Okami]

majin, how will this affect your dream of becoming a man nurse?

[Excelsis]

well since you have a lot more energy, use it for something that requires a lot of energy as well

That and practice concentration exercises, the more you do them, the better you get

and if you're doing work, shut off everything. Turn off your cellphone and other electronic devices. When you have an impulse to get it out, tell yourself to not do it.

It's a long and tedious process but works, i work with adhd students so there's my two cents

[yameen]

don't get me wrong. i can still focus when needed but distractions are just that much easier. it's quite hard to differentiate between adhd and normal everyday distractions.

[Phil@rise]

Says the guy without ADHD.

It's great for people to voice their opinions, but without having experienced such symptoms. You can't relate at all, period.

How do you know what I've been diagnosed with as a youth?
As such I dont believe ADHD is a real affliction needing the sale of drugs to manage

[LiquidTurbo]

Does physical activity help with ADHD?

[Meowjin]

Does physical activity help with ADHD?

Yes. But not much.

[Meowjin]

well since you have a lot more energy, use it for something that requires a lot of energy as well

That and practice concentration exercises, the more you do them, the better you get

and if you're doing work, shut off everything. Turn off your cellphone and other electronic devices. When you have an impulse to get it out, tell yourself to not do it.

It's a long and tedious process but works, i work with adhd students so there's my two cents

You dont need to be "hyperactive" to have ADHD.

There are 3 different types of ADHD.

Inactive, Hyperactive/impulsive and Combined.

I was diagnosed with ADHD-C

from wiki

Classification

The DSM-IV, or Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 2000 edition, defines three types of ADHD:
1) An inattentive type
2) A hyperactive/impulsive type
3) A combined type
To meet the formal diagnostic criteria of ADHD, an individual must display:
at least six inattentive-type symptoms for the inattentive-type
at least six hyperactive-type symptoms for the hyperactive/impulsive type
all of the above to have the combined-type
The symptoms (see below) need to have been present since before the individual was seven years old, and must have interfered with at least two spheres of his or her functioning (at home and at school or work, for example) over the last six months.

Adult attention deficit hyperactivity disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder)

[TurboFC3S]

i had the exact same symptoms as you op and was diagnosed with severe a.d.h.d when i was in high school. they gave me high doses of Ritalin but that shit didn't work just made me feel super drugged up and i was so motherfuckin burnt out after school i could hardly stay awake, and then had to go to martial arts and get my ass kicked a hour after school because i was so damn tired.

So one day I just stopped taking it. And focused harder, kept doing martial arts and it helped ALOT. Having a very disciplined state of mind can work wonders and motivate you to do lots of things.. Aced my course in college and am always on top of my game @ work, don't have any of the symptoms of "A.d.h.d" anymore. Keep my room / house / garage clean.. most of the time :P

You'll find if you stay organized it will help alot, keeping things clean and organized is one of the keys to success in life! Its all in your head.. Find ways to motivate yourself and work on your discipline !

[Glove]

^ good man,

you are proof.

you were diagnosed, you realised there was a problem, thus you changed your habbits and used martial arts as a way to discipline yourself.

and now your not "diagnosed" anymore, so the pills were useless in the first place.

Taking pills for ADHD is like trying to take pills for weight loss,

stop trying to take a pill to fix yourself because your lazy to go on a treadmill. Do what this guy did and find a way to discipline yourself and focus on your shit.

while there are exceptions to every rule, some people really do have genetic deseases where they are unable to lose weight the conventional way of excersice and eating healthy, just like im sure there are some people who really do need medication for ADHD, but Id bet that 80% of people who take the pills just have bad habits, like the fatties.

[TheNewGirl]

My daughter has ADHD (the inattentive subtype, which presents more like an extremely high functioning autistic).

Like many parents I had HUGE guilt about her going on medication but within a week of her starting I was blown away by the change in her and any doubts I had about the existence of the disorder or the diagnosis were gone. She stayed on medication for about 2 years and then this recent year asked to stop because she feels it hampers her creativity and it does hamper her growth. Given this was both a mature and rational request her Dr. and I agreed it was worth trying so long as it doesn't seriously hamper her grades. It's been a bit bumpy since she came off but we've been able to find some ways to make it work now that she's old enough to have some insight into her own behavior and correct it consciously.

On a side note, there's been major headway made in ADHD medications in the last couple of years and they aren't as drastic as they once were. Most people think of ritalin but there's far more stable alternatives now.

[TheNewGirl]

Yes. But not much.

It actually can help a lot, depending which form of ADHD you have.

Children with hyperactivity need physical stimuli to help quell that restlessness, and with proper amounts of physical activity they can do better in class time without medication and decrease impulsive behaviors.

[Meowjin]

^ good man,

you are proof.

you were diagnosed, you realised there was a problem, thus you changed your habbits and used martial arts as a way to discipline yourself.

and now your not "diagnosed" anymore, so the pills were useless in the first place.

Taking pills for ADHD is like trying to take pills for weight loss,

stop trying to take a pill to fix yourself because your lazy to go on a treadmill. Do what this guy did and find a way to discipline yourself and focus on your shit.

while there are exceptions to every rule, some people really do have genetic deseases where they are unable to lose weight the conventional way of excersice and eating healthy, just like im sure there are some people who really do need medication for ADHD, but Id bet that 80% of people who take the pills just have bad habits, like the fatties.

dear god you are stupid. You know that in adulthood it's considered a disability right? And it doesn't have anything to do with school (even though i am in school right meow). It can involve inability to have conversations with people, inability to keep on track at work, impulsive gambling/eating, being impatient and completing others sentences.

Without even knowing me you label me as not having it, when after seeing 3 doctors all three of them said I am good for it.

Anyways once i pass my holter monitor (I had arrythmia show up on my ekg) i'll be put on strattera. Everyone has some crazy suspicion that you become a zombie and a different person when you take the meds, but even if you do, during my adult hood if I need to take boring shitty fucking classes that I have no interest in and have to write papers for to get to where i need to go, then i'll do it. I just didn't wake up one day at the age of 25 and say "herp derp im disabled" I actually saw a problem and went and saw the doctor.

Lemme guess you don't believe anxiety and depression disorders exist either?

What do you do in the school board out of curiosity?

[Meowjin]

i had the exact same symptoms as you op and was diagnosed with severe a.d.h.d when i was in high school. they gave me high doses of Ritalin but that shit didn't work just made me feel super drugged up and i was so motherfuckin burnt out after school i could hardly stay awake, and then had to go to martial arts and get my ass kicked a hour after school because i was so damn tired.

So one day I just stopped taking it. And focused harder, kept doing martial arts and it helped ALOT. Having a very disciplined state of mind can work wonders and motivate you to do lots of things.. Aced my course in college and am always on top of my game @ work, don't have any of the symptoms of "A.d.h.d" anymore. Keep my room / house / garage clean.. most of the time :P

You'll find if you stay organized it will help alot, keeping things clean and organized is one of the keys to success in life! Its all in your head.. Find ways to motivate yourself and work on your discipline !

most people grow out of ADHD into their adulthood, but with 1/3rd of adults it stays with them for the rest of their life.

also might add from the DSM-5

D. There must be clear evidence that the symptoms interfere with or reduce the quality of social, academic, or occupational functioning.

So you didn't really have ADHD.

[TurboFC3S]

most people grow out of ADHD into their adulthood, but with 1/3rd of adults it stays with them for the rest of their life.

also might add from the DSM-5

D. There must be clear evidence that the symptoms interfere with or reduce the quality of social, academic, or occupational functioning.

So you didn't really have ADHD.


Yes i did.. I got diagnosed from the doc and they gave all my teachers sheets to fill out blah blah blah.. Quite sure they wouldnt have prescribed me ritalin if i didnt have it, but that sucks about some people having it forever

[TheNewGirl]

Anyways once i pass my holter monitor (I had arrythmia show up on my ekg) i'll be put on strattera. Everyone has some crazy suspicion that you become a zombie and a different person when you take the meds, but even if you do, during my adult hood if I need to take boring shitty fucking classes that I have no interest in and have to write papers for to get to where i need to go, then i'll do it. I just didn't wake up one day at the age of 25 and say "herp derp im disabled" I actually saw a problem and went and saw the doctor.

Lemme guess you don't believe anxiety and depression disorders exist either?

What do you do in the school board out of curiosity?

The people who go wonky on meds are misdiagnosed. That's the problem. Having witnessed someone on properly diagnosed meds there's no 'zombie' like behavior at all, in fact I would argue that my kiddo is more awake and alert and with it when she's medicated. Strattra is a good, subtle med if your doctor thinks it's a good fit for you.

Glove? Do either of you ever drink coffee to perk up in the morning? Alcohol to relax? Take asprin or advil when you're hurt? Freezing when you go to the dentist? Antibiotics when you have strep throat? Oh you lazy asshole! Stop taking those nasty drugs and martial arts your ass to well! (eyeroll)

[TurboFC3S]

And on a second note... Now that i thought about it a bit, i dont see how 1/3rd of people can "Grow out" Of something that is actual considered a real "Disability"... The diagnosis for add is stupid and contriversial, all the symptoms are the same as someone whos got a demotivational personality and is lazy / easily distracted and disorganized.

"thenewgirl" your examples of what your comparing to my example are stupid. Personally i used martial arts as an example of how i got myself motivated, for other people you can use different methods to achieve the same goal.

And just so you know, i don't need or have coffee in the morning, alcohol in the evening, or asprine to help with my pain..... I know your half kidding, but your comparing apples to oranges with your silly examples.

My point is if your change yourself to be a non-lazy, motivated & focused person you can overcome all the symptoms of A.d.h.d... Its all about how much you can motivate YOURSELF! And it would be better to try different ways of achieving this for your child rather then feeding them all these DRUGS to try to help them. There are no benefits of trying to fix A.D.H.D With drugs because whats going to happen when you take them off of the drugs? Back to square 1!

[Meowjin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xpEBE9VDWw&feature=related

Dr Russell Barkley - ADHD Not Different - YouTube

Dr Russell Barkley - Diagnosis Acceptance - YouTube

Dr Russell Barkley - ADHD More Than An Attention Problem - YouTube

Dr Russell Barkley - ADHD Hyperactivity & Multitasking - YouTube

Dr Russell Barkley - ADHD Hyperactivity Of No Diagnostic Value - YouTube

[Glove]

dear god you are stupid. You know that in adulthood it's considered a disability right? And it doesn't have anything to do with school (even though i am in school right meow). It can involve inability to have conversations with people, inability to keep on track at work, impulsive gambling/eating, being impatient and completing others sentences.

Without even knowing me you label me as not having it, when after seeing 3 doctors all three of them said I am good for it.

Anyways once i pass my holter monitor (I had arrythmia show up on my ekg) i'll be put on strattera. Everyone has some crazy suspicion that you become a zombie and a different person when you take the meds, but even if you do, during my adult hood if I need to take boring shitty fucking classes that I have no interest in and have to write papers for to get to where i need to go, then i'll do it. I just didn't wake up one day at the age of 25 and say "herp derp im disabled" I actually saw a problem and went and saw the doctor.

Lemme guess you don't believe anxiety and depression disorders exist either?

What do you do in the school board out of curiosity?


I said there was an exception to every rule, and never once did I say you werent a part of the exception, i didnt label you as anything.

BUT,

in the whole thread you never mentioned once on things you tried to do to discipline yourself, the other guy used martial arts, what did you try?

did you automatically jump medication bandwagon? or did you try other mind focusing practices?

a lot of your posts involve a lot of "woe is me" attitude, which wont get you anywhere, in fact, it seems like you have more depression than ADHD, if that is your attitude towards everything, then just go take the pills, what are on posting on RS for? or maybe your depressed that you cant focus? and cant focus because your depressed. if you honestly believe you are disabled, just take whatever your doctor prescribes and join the pill party.

my gf actually gets anxiety all the time, but everytime im able to talk her down and out of it, and calm her nervs. I dont tell her she needs fuckin pills, she is completely normal.

and depression is sort of the same thing, ofcourse there are people who have chemical imbalances who needs pills to deal with depression, these are the people who are successfull and have friends, but still feel down. but 80% of the people are just lazy to get off their fuckin ass and do something about it, PILL ME, I HAVE DEPRESSION, no, your jobless, carless, friendless, and alone. fix it.

I work in I.T in the school board.

Also, you seem to have no problem following threads on RS at all, I looked at the last 5 threads you replied in, and you seem completely able to follow topics that interest you, like this one. You also seem to be learning Canto and other languages, you would NOT be able to learn a chinese language if you had ADHD. That shit is difficult, and boring.

[melloman]

dear god you are stupid....
Without even knowing me you label me as not having it, when after seeing 3 doctors all three of them said I am good for it.

So you didn't really have ADHD.

I don't mean to be a prick but cmon man... wtf?

I could go to the extent in saying I have minor ADHD, because I sometimes cannot focus on tasks at hand or am demotivated on things. Taking drugs can help, I have someone in my family that has tried tons of meds for mental illness' and found success in some more then others.

The thing to remember is the mind is a powerful thing, drugs can help or hinder that. Drugs can also have many side affects, especially when dealing with mental issues, and it can really screw up people in the long run.

I've seen it happen, it's just my .02 cents.

[El Bastardo]

Enough of the personal attacks. Mature conversation only

[TheNewGirl]

And just so you know, i don't need or have coffee in the morning, alcohol in the evening, or asprine to help with my pain..... I know your half kidding, but your comparing apples to oranges with your silly examples.

My point is if your change yourself to be a non-lazy, motivated & focused person you can overcome all the symptoms of A.d.h.d... Its all about how much you can motivate YOURSELF! And it would be better to try different ways of achieving this for your child rather then feeding them all these DRUGS to try to help them. There are no benefits of trying to fix A.D.H.D With drugs because whats going to happen when you take them off of the drugs? Back to square 1!

My point was sometimes drugs are useful. Just going OMG DRUGS ARE BAD! is both ignorant and irrational especially when you're ignoring other regularly abused and useless chemicals while picking on one that's proven to be useful. And it's also dismissing the fact that there are people who have a legitimate medical condition for which medication is required to treat it. My point was if someone had cancer, or chronic pain, or allergies you wouldn't begrudge them medical treatment. Why would you do so for people with mental illnesses? This is a wide spread bias and one of the reasons mental illnesses are so broadly stigmatized. Because people don't understand that there is something physically wrong with the brains of people that have these diseases.

I'm sorry you can't willpower your way out of a legitimate chemical imbalance. Sometimes you can use activities to stimulate chemical releases in your brain that will assist in offsetting the disorder but this assumes that 1. the patient is in a position to manage their own treatment and 2. that the brain of the patient is even chemically able to respond in the desired manner. Often one or the other is not true.

Ideally what happens when it comes to mild to moderate medical illnesses you medicate to bring the patient to a functional baseline, educate them on coping techniques (this is when activities are best introduced) and then when they're handling things well you scale back their medication under observation to ensure they're coping well and managing their condition until they're off of it, with continued monitoring to follow. The drugs aren't the treatment plan, but rather a part of the patient's treatment plan. This is the method for intervening in anxiety, depression, and other mental illnesses and it's exactly the same for ADHD.

This works VERY well. It's not a oh we give you pills then we take them away and now you're fucked again thing. Believe it or not, people who go to school for a decade plus actually know what they're talking about.

[godwin]

Really?! You mean just because a person knows Chinese language; it means he/she wont get ADHD? Wow, you've found the cure to ADHD right there! Drug companies should quake in their boots. You might want to call the Nobel committee as they probably have a prize for you.

Sarcasm aside, ADHD just means the person needs more effort to concentrate, it doesn't mean the person is unable learn (eg anterograde amnesia). No matter what the subject is (language, math etc) is boring or not is highly subjective. The most important things is an objective. As long as the person in this case OP has the goal he wants to reach and sticks with it, he can make anything not boring (say with a romantic partner). He will just need more effort (eg more repetition) when compared with other people learning the same language (hence the extra time / tutors etc). But honestly it doesn't really matter, because a person only need to learn once, comparing performance against others are rather pointless after the fact.

You also seem to be learning Canto and other languages, you would NOT be able to learn a chinese language if you had ADHD. That shit is difficult, and boring.

[flagella]

The problem arises when you try to draw a border. I don't deny that ADHD exists, but I'm almost certain that so many people are being misdiagnosed or using it as excuses for their lack of self-discipline.

Seriously the things you listed pretty much describes me as well. I have always had the same issues growing up as a child. I'm fcking glad as hell I wasn't brought up in this environment because I'm sure I would've been diagnosed as having ADHD, and my life would've changed dramatically (in a bad way). Once you're classified ADHD, you will always have this lame excuse in your head saying "Oh, I'm at a disadvantage so it can't be helped."

[Meowjin]

^thats based on the misconception that "everyone gets diagnosed"

believe me, i asked my psyche and she says she turns away alot of people.

The reason I originally went to go see doctors was I've had such severe anxiety issues for the past 2 years that developed into panic attacks. I couldn't even function with school.

What happens if I take the meds and it fixes me? Everyone who knows me is not suprised that I have ADHD. I can really see no negative here.

[MindBomber]

Have you started on the medication Majin, if so, are they helping?

majin, how will this affect your dream of becoming a man nurse?

Not sure if this is a pot shot at male nurses or a serious question, it strikes me as the former..

[Cassijon]

^thats based on the misconception that "everyone gets diagnosed"

believe me, i asked my psyche and she says she turns away alot of people.

The reason I originally went to go see doctors was I've had such severe anxiety issues for the past 2 years that developed into panic attacks. I couldn't even function with school.

What happens if I take the meds and it fixes me? Everyone who knows me is not suprised that I have ADHD. I can really see no negative here.


just so you know, the meds, dexadrine/ritalin helps EVERYONE who takes it. you will lose appetite, you will feel more focused, you will be able to complete 1 task before you start another.

i actually wish my dr would give me some dexadrine, so i can concentrate a little better at work.

[Meowjin]

Have you started on the medication Majin, if so, are they helping?



Not sure if this is a pot shot at male nurses or a serious question, it strikes me as the former..

I've started on a non stimulant strattera and it's been a week and its finally starting to kick in. I've actually been able to finish tasks without getting distracted and I've been actually to wake up in the morning normally with motivation to get through the day. My personality hasn't changed and I don't really feel "different" mood wise. I just feel more focused and actually was able to hyperfocus on my studying, which was amazing.

[Meowjin]

just so you know, the meds, dexadrine/ritalin helps EVERYONE who takes it. you will lose appetite, you will feel more focused, you will be able to complete 1 task before you start another.

i actually wish my dr would give me some dexadrine, so i can concentrate a little better at work.

Except I'm not on stimulants.

Atomoxetine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomoxetine)

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[MindBomber]

I want to thank you fifty times, Ulic.

Seriously. I'm smart and know it, I get very high grades when miraculously something allows me to concentrate. The majority of the time though, I get distracted by the strangest and most random things.

I look at my swiss watch, and suddenly spend two hours thinking about hiking in switzerland, then research joining the foreign legion since I think they train in the Alps, then decide to teach myself french, then go to the store to buy french bread, and before I know it I'm in Squamish for some reason. True story, that happened last week while studying for a linguistics test.

I hate ritalin, took it for a few months when I was a kid, it made me act weird.

All I need something to help me focus when I really need too.

I'm calling and making an appointment with my Doctor now to ask about dex, I think you just personified my struggle and the solution I've always been looking for.

[Meowjin]

dex/adderal has abuse potential. Honestly Im taking this for as long as I need to take it. I've been seeing the docs about skill building.

its a weird feeling when you can read a text book non stop and not think about anything else.
i guess thats what normal people feel like.

as long as I can finish school and get the grades I require to get in my career field I don't care if I'm im a zombie everyday for the rest of my life.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

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[jACEDesignsLtd]

Talking about inspiration, Adam Levine from Maroon 5 has ADHD. I posted this in the music forum a while back: http://www.revscene.net/forums/665490-adam-levine-adhd.html

[Meowjin]

^people will still think it's not real.

I could come back here 6 months from now and be like "Look at my grades, look at my finances, look at my weight!!!! After seeing the doctor/meds"

and people would still argue against it.

sadly that commercial was made by shire, who makes a majority of ADHD drugs.

[Meowjin]

Anyone interested in an update?

[dinosaur]

Yes

[Meowjin]

Yes

I've increased my dosage to 40mg of Dexedrine SR (Slow Release/Sustained Release)

Now, I don't feel high when I'm on it. There is a dropoff period where the drug wears off and you feel like your body crashed. If you aren't a girl about it, you can fight through it, but the crash happens when you should be going to bed.

I have spaced out my dosage so that when I wake up at ~10am, I take 25mg and a few hours later I'll take another 15mg. This lasts me all day.


How Dexedrine works.

Prefrontal lobe and other areas shrunken (that are in control of impulses, motivation, reward center etc...) there either isn't

a) Enough Receptor Sites

b) Dopamine

Drug creates a dopamine crush (very different from ritalin) to ensure all these receptor sites are filled.

Don't have ADHD? You will fill high. Simple as that.



Positives:

-I've never seen my house cleaner
-My Finances are a lot cleaner
-It supresses my appetite
-I can think of the big picture, and actually set up goals and feel good (I know this is gonna sound crazy, but I have a little voice that keeps me in the right direction in my head now)
-In a situation that needs a decision or an action, It's easier to recall on past events and make the right decision.
-I've lost 20 pounds
-I'm not so impulsive on purchases.
-Anxiety under control.
-I'm cooking at home, and actually setting a budget of what I can eat out.
-I'm actually doing things I thought i'd never do (i stopped playing games period, unless someone comes over, I started learning the ocarina and I'm learning a third language, and I read an anatomy textbook front and back.
-With the help of "Evernote" my life feels much more organized.

Everything in my life is better, all because of one pill.

Cons:

-If you don't get good sleep, do not take the meds... SERIOUSLY IT BLOWS.
-Headaches when I initially started (I don't really do drugs, rarely drink etc...)
-Sometime I do talk a little faster than usual, but usually when I don't get enough sleep.

So yeah, probably not real :rolleyes:

Anyways, gonna ask to go on adderall. It has 2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racetam in them, and 25% ritalin, and 75% dexedrine.

[Excelsis]

thought this belongs here

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[Bahhbeehhaaaa]

the list you describe is pretty much everyone on the damn planet, me included. I throw my clothes everywhere, leave assignments for the last second, read something but think of another.

you know why?

the problem is there is too much shit that can distract you and kids these days.

iphone always in pocket, TV and desktop in bedroom, tablets all over the house, revscene, reddit, netflix, youtube, ect ect..

its no wonder people cant fuckin focus these days, there are too many stimulants everywhere,

and as a result they just throw drugs at people,

what did I do? I stayed and studied at school, I didnt go home until I knew the material, going home is the devil, the entire time I would try and read, Id look at the computer and see who was on ICQ or MSN. I remember realising this back when I was in grade 10 or 11, I would go home and haveto study, there was a TV in the living room, computer in my bedroom, and game consoles everywhere, I thought to myself, I cant fuckin study here, this is rediculous. Thank god I actually came to my own senses.

or people go to the library or late night timmies. that is the solution, get away from all the damn stimulants that are being shoved in your face all the time, and force yourself into a quiet area where nothing distracts you.

ALSO, reading and doing things you enjoy, makes you want to focus on them much more. if your reading a book on english theory, and its boring you to shit, aint nothing going to help you study it, its a topic that just doesnt interest you. thats not a desease, thats you.

I work in the public school system, and it fuckin disgusts me how many kids are being labelled as "special" or adhd, and have to seperate from their classes, if theres a class of 30, usually 10 of them are labbelled "special"

are you kidding me? the ones that are special are the ones who are texting in class, play angry birds on their ipads at school, and cant even finish a fucking sentence without mentioning hanna montana or justin bieber, and these kids are 8 years old ffs.

The asian parents have it right, no stimulants, only study time.

oh my fucking god... after 10 years someone has finally understood how i felt when i was grade 7...

my grade 7 to grade 12 was the worst time in my life. I have 4 older brother and sisters, closest age to me is 5 years apart. I simply did not get enough attention from my family and i set my targets on my classmates. I started doing all these fucked up shit to attract attention. Phy and the teachers thought i have ADHD and they threw me in extended skills (special ed program) then i started skippin high school because i hated school even more. A few years later, i met my mentor also my family doctor. He inspired me to become a useful person. I started studying very hard, completed my high school diploma at age 20. Now i'm taking financial management at bcit and my GPA is sitting at 78%. (I'm not on any medication) Doctors only understands parts of the brain, is fucking ridiculous to label some kid ADD or ADHD or whatever u wanna call it, is fucking bullshit.

wtf is ADHD? all these computers, tvs, facebook, movies?

This is how I study.
-quiet room. (NO MUSIC)
-read/follow along with book mark and a pencil
-WRITE OUT MY WEEKLY SCHEDULE!!!
-discipline ( ok is 6pm i'll turn off my computer and STUDY for the next 5 hours)
-keeping my room tidy and organized.

When i was in high school my room is a fucking shit hole/dumpster. Until I found my destination, i became every clean and tidy =)

One last thing.. keep yourself away from Ritalin/Adderall whatever you are taking, those things have serious side effects.

Last thing is your WILL POWER.!! When your will power kicks in, nothing is impossible =)

[bbcbrbe]

i take 60mg vyvanse from time to time, suppressed appetite and insomnia, nothing a lil bit of weed cant handle :)