[temp55]

How risky is it to claim less when selling your car? For example, car sells for $16000, but you only wrote down $12000? Worth the risk?

[lowside67]

Maybe you should try searching, noob. The bottom line is you risk going to jail for fraud to save 2.7% of the price you are paying ($480). If the price you declare for the car is not inline with what ICBC expects, they will request additional documentation to make sure that you aren't screwing them.

Mark

[Hurricane]

If you need to decide your personal ethics based on the responses in a public forum, I would say you're probably too stupid to risk it.

That said, when you do put your neck on the line, be sure you trust everyone involved.

[Firmware]

It's illegal.

/thread

[1990TSI]

I'll only say this, While I havn't cheated the tax system for used cars (even though I don't believe in it) I have bought a modest number of cars that in ICBCs eyes should have been fraud (super cheap cars) plus a gifted car from my brother worth a good amount, and I've never had any issues or them 'auditing' me or whatever they would do.

except my 2 brand new cars and the skyline, every car i've bought has had an under value form filled out (that I can remember)


Not worth it if you're worried enough to post about it on a public forum that ICBC just may be watching ;)

[1990TSI]

I read the thread wrong...

I always thought it was up to the BUYER to declare the price and that the BUYER would take 100% of the issues for under valuing it

[lowside67]

Both the buyer and the seller are required to sign the transfer form. Both of them are legally guaranteeing that the sale price was as disclosed. As such, BOTH are going to get raped by ICBC should it ever come to it.

Mark

[BMW M5]

I dont even know why someone is stupid enough to ask such a question on the internet. Its like asking if its worth the risk to rob a bank. If u are stupid enough to post such a question in a public forum, you are most likely going to get caught.

[Nightwalker]

Every time I sell a used car the other party wants to do this.

The last time was an older English guy, we got into the insurance office and then he got nervous and chickened out hahaha. I didn't want to anyway.

[1exotic]

If you and the seller both agree on a lower amount bill of sale, then there really isn't that much risk. Unless its a resonable amount.

12k - 16k difference isn't that much.
just don't put $1k when the car is worth $16k.....

[doma]

rob a bank

Because these two are comparable...

[LiquidTurbo]

How risky is it to claim less when selling your car? For example, car sells for $16000, but you only wrote down $12000? Worth the risk?

It's super risky man! Don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Datsun]

Haven't they been basing tax on the car's book value since about a year ago?
I feel like I'm missing something.

[Jgresch]

^no

[unit]

ive done it before. its not a big deal just as long as its a reasonable amount.

[Over9K]

Just put like $1000, I always do it.

Just tell 'em its a quick sale.

[Eastwood]

Although I know its bad, taxing for second hand cars is complete bullshit and just another cash grab from the government.

I've always gifted my cars sold and purchased. Mind you I've always driven beaters. I wouldn't risk it on a car in question that is worth $16,000.

[Duff Beer]

Just put like $1000, I always do it.

Just tell 'em its a quick sale.

I guess it depends on the type of car you're buying? :accepted:

[see.lai]

Should do what you want. If buyer and seller agrees, then it's fine. Both of you will know the risks.

[murd0c]

ive done it before. its not a big deal just as long as its a reasonable amount.

I have done it a number of times as well and have never had a issue. It's just fucking over ICBC it a complete joke we have to pay tax on something that was already paid tax on from the get go. But don't get me wrong taking a couple grand off isn't a big deal but with enough of a discount it will look really fishy.

[buddy]

post the vin number of the car before we can decide ...

[The_AK]

Don't listen to these fools, just claim that you're his brother and he's giving you the car, even if your name might be Mike Skeeter and the sellers name is Jin Hsui/Abdul Mohammed/Joe Zitzak/[insert any other name different from op's name to get point across that this is not a good idea]

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[MindBomber]

I have done it a number of times as well and have never had a issue. It's just fucking over ICBC it a complete joke we have to pay tax on something that was already paid tax on from the get go. But don't get me wrong taking a couple grand off isn't a big deal but with enough of a discount it will look really fishy.

We pay taxes on anything used and sold through a business, I don't understand why everyone is so offended when the purchase happens to be a vehicle other than that the dollar amount is higher. Car parts, thrift stores, anything on consignment, antiques, often art, used textbooks, to an extent property; all are taxed.

[murd0c]

We pay taxes on anything used and sold through a business, I don't understand why everyone is so offended when the purchase happens to be a vehicle other than that the dollar amount is higher. Car parts, thrift stores, anything on consignment, antiques, often art, used textbooks, to an extent property; all are taxed.

Oh I'm aware of that but I can still bitch about it. The thing that really piss's me off is Canada is the only country that pays tax's on top of tax's. Gas for example there are two tax's on top of each other cause the goverment can. Talk about a complete joke....

[toyobaru]

I think on this case 16000 declared at 12000 is get away-able with, depending on the car as well. ICBC does and can investigate if they think the declared value is too low. Ive been told they can see how much money was deposited for the transaction if you deposited the cash or cheque. Definitely youd be risking it buying a 2008 BMW and declaring it for 12000 haha. Id say go for it.

[twitchyzero]

We pay taxes on anything used and sold through a business, I don't understand why everyone is so offended when the purchase happens to be a vehicle other than that the dollar amount is higher. Car parts, thrift stores, anything on consignment, antiques, often art, used textbooks, to an extent property; all are taxed.

it makes sense to charge taxes (maybe only 1 taxes like the soon to be GST/PST days again) when the transaction is through a business/charitable foundation. But private sales? :fuckthatshit:

[Psykopathik]

its doable, however now you posted your asking of a possible fraud question, ICBC now has your IP address and will scrutinize any sale you do as will Revanue Canada. Enjoy your Audi...er, Audit.

[unit]

i doubt 16k to 12k will even raise an eyebrow

[TheKingdom2000]

My dad sold his old corolla to a family friend for a $1 and he had no troubles.

[suzuka84]

i always sell my cars with a blank amount allowing the seller to input a number he/she feels comfortable.

[GLOW]

We pay taxes on anything used and sold through a business, I don't understand why everyone is so offended when the purchase happens to be a vehicle other than that the dollar amount is higher. Car parts, thrift stores, anything on consignment, antiques, often art, used textbooks, to an extent property; all are taxed.

forgive me if i'm wrong, but i thought on a previous thread you stated that you're of aboriginal descent. in this case aren't you exempt from taxes because of native status?

[Qmx323]

I claimed my 240sx sold as 700, guy thought it shoulda claimed as less :okay:

[Hot Karl]

Common practice with lots of folks. Just keep your story straight and tell everyone who asks it was 12k. Even if u have a 16k withdrawal on your account just say the difference was for insurance etc

Lol at internet heros.
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[MindBomber]

forgive me if i'm wrong, but i thought on a previous thread you stated that you're of aboriginal descent. in this case aren't you exempt from taxes because of native status?

It's a misconception that an aboriginal person with status is entirely exempt from paying taxes, in fact, there are only a few very specific things that qualify for exemption. For a vehicle to be tax exempt, it must be registered to an address on a reserve. The majority of native people do not live on reserves however, myself included, and therefore I do pay taxes on vehicle purchases.

It's a genuine question, because paying taxes on a vehicle purchase genuinely does not really bother me...

I claimed my 240sx sold as 700, guy thought it shoulda claimed as less :okay:

Of course, because that would benefit him as the buyer. It doesn't benefit you at all, so if you've already gone out of your way who gives a fuck.

[elwell]

I've done this before. Just say buddy was your old friend or something an you by as a gift.
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[some_punk]

just let the seller know that he is taking a risk if he gets the car written off that ICBC would only give you the amount you declared. or if the seller wants it gifted to avoid taxes all together, tell them they will not be paid out by icbc

[Edison_Chen]

ICBC doesn't really get involved with the taxes regarding the transaction. Consumer Taxation Brach (CTB) are the people who get involved with taxing issue. CTB writes all the rules re: taxes, and ICBC just implements them in the system. The tax section gets sent to CTB and or Canada Revenue Agency (CRA).

Anything related to private sale (12% TDP) and or claiming tax exemption goes to CTB.
Anything that is related to HST (buying from dealer/companies) is referred to CRA.

[marksport]

I bought a car from the US a few years ago for $5000, the CBSA agent was giving me a hard time as the book value was like $16,000. Then he went out to look at the car and saw that the motor was in pieces and that the interior was completely trashed as if a chainsaw was thrown inside.

[Jgresch]

just let the seller know that he is taking a risk if he gets the car written off that ICBC would only give you the amount you declared. or if the seller wants it gifted to avoid taxes all together, tell them they will not be paid out by icbc

That is incorrect. What you paid or claimed to pay is irrelevant.
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[some_punk]

That is incorrect. What you paid or claimed to pay is irrelevant.
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that is what the insurance agent told me. only going by their word. cause the guy who bought my car wanted it gifted, and a year later the car got stolen and burnt to the ground, and he wanted me to tell icbc that he paid me this amount, but i just told icbc that it was given to him. and the guy didnt get paid out. at the time of sale the car was a junker 240sx and sold it real cheap.

[cooke24]

The amount of cars being sold privately and by dealers everyday icbc cannot in now way prove you lied. You could of sold it to a friend for cheap, needed engine work, quick sale, needed cash. I have put down $5000 for cars worth 3 times as much. Relax you will be fine.
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