Trayvon Martin's Killer Still Free [Archive]

MindBomber

03-22-2012, 02:43 PM

Tl;Dr: In certain American states, such as Florida, gun "rights" laws make it simple for District Attorney to choose not to file charges.

Side notes, my thoughts: It's fascinating to hear the bizarre responses to this on American forums, as well as a bit disheartening, to many in the American South this is very justifiable. I have no interest in owning a hand gun for self-defense purposes living in Canada. Although I would never live in America, hypothetically, if I did, I wouldn't leave the house unless I was armed to the teeth to protect myself from overzealous fellow citizens.

911 tapes: GRAPHIC: Trayvon Martin 911 calls released | News - Home (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/GRAPHIC-Trayvon-Martin-911-calls-released/-/1637132/9450044/-/6m827cz/-/index.html)

Shooter of Unarmed Teen Trayvon Martin: "This Guy Looks Like He’s Up to No Good"

These are the 911 calls from the night Trayvon Martin was murdered. The second call, which begins two minutes in, is from the shooter George Zimmerman, who explains his rationale for following and later killing Martin.

There's a real suspicious guy. ... This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around, looking about. ... Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. ... Something's wrong with him. He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what he's doing. ... These assholes, they always get away.

You can hear Zimmerman following of Martin, and the dispatcher telling Zimmerman his pursuit is not necessary.

In other 911 tapes released, you can hear Martin screaming in pain (1:55) and the gunshot that killed him (2:40). The 28-year-old Zimmerman, who claims he was acting in self-defense, has yet to be arrested or charged with a crime.

1. Zimmerman called the police to report Martin’s “suspicious” behavior, which he described as “just walking around looking about.” Zimmerman was in his car when he saw Martin walking on the street. He called the police and said: “There’s a real suspicious guy. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about… These a**holes always get away” [Orlando Sentinel]
2. Zimmerman pursued Martin against the explicit instructions of the police dispatcher:
Dispatcher: “Are you following him?”
Zimmerman: “Yeah”
Dispatcher: “OK, we don’t need you to do that.”
[Orlando Sentinel]
3. Prior to the release of the 911 tapes, Zimmerman’s father released a statement claiming “[a]t no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin.” [Sun Sentinel]
4. Zimmerman was carrying a a 9 millimeter handgun. Martin was carrying a bag of Skittles and a can of iced tea. [ABC News]
5. Martin weighed 140 pounds. Zimmerman weighs 250 pounds. [Orlando Sentinel; WDBO]
6. Martin’s English teacher described him as “as an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness.” [Orlando Sentinel]
7. Martin had no criminal record. [New York Times]
8. Zimmerman “was charged in July 2005 with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer. The charges appear to have been dropped.” [Huffington Post]
9. Zimmerman called the police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011. [Miami Herald]
10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” [Miami Herald]
11. Zimmerman “had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics” [Huffington Post]
12. A police officer “corrected” a key witness. “The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help.” [ABC News]
13. Three witnesses say they heard a boy cry for help before a shot was fired. “Three witnesses contacted by The Miami Herald say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Miami Gardens teenager’s killing. All three said they heard the last howl for help from a despondent boy.” [Miami Herald]
14. The officer in charge of the crime scene also received criticism in 2010 when he initially failed to arrest a lieutenant’s son who was videotaped attacking a homeless black man. [New York Times]
15. The police did not test Zimmerman for drugs or alcohol. A law enforcement expert told ABC that Zimmerman sounds intoxicated on the 911 tapes. Drug and alcohol testing is “standard procedure in most homicide investigations.” [ABC News]

What Everyone Should Know About Trayvon Martin (1995-2012) | ThinkProgress (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/18/446768/what-everyone-should-know-about-about-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/?mobile=nc)

Presto

03-22-2012, 03:25 PM

Great68

03-22-2012, 04:34 PM

What's scary is that there's people up here that think the same way as those redneck hicks down there.

GabAlmighty

03-22-2012, 05:01 PM

dangonay

03-22-2012, 07:05 PM

^ I was expecting something a lot worse based on the title. Sure the officer over-reacted, but I don't find it that over-the-top.

What's scary is that there's people up here that think the same way as those redneck hicks down there.
Even on RS there are people who seem to think something as simple as "fucking with my car" is enough reason for you to shoot them or run them over.

Hot Karl

03-22-2012, 07:14 PM

Saying you'd like to punk someone who vandalized your property is a bit different then having a gun and a history of being a racist prick.

The saddest part is this exact situation, unarmed young black male gunned down by an officer happens all the time
Posted via RS Mobile (http://www.revscene.net/forums/announcement.php?a=228)

Gnomes

03-22-2012, 07:38 PM

Ya, that's bullshit.

There's a video of a civillian dressed cop pulling a gun on a biker after he pulled a wheelie on the highway, lemme find it.

Gotta watch the whole video for context.
Motorcycle traffic violation - Cop pulls out gun (extended no sound) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7PC9cZEWCQ)

Wow at the youtube description:

3/5/2010: Pulled over for speeding
4/7/2010: 6 Cops show up at my house with a search and seizure warrant for all of my computers, cameras and electronics.. They also bring an arrest warrant for "wiretapping" and 2 additional traffic violations. I could not go to jail due to health issues (surgery).
4/14/2010: I turned myself in and spent the night in jail. I was charged with "wiretapping." Felony- 5years $10k max fine. Bail set at $15k?
4/15/2010: Bail review - Released on my own recognizance.

^bullshit warrants

Thank goodness the judge has some sense and threw out the criminal offense charge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Graber
Only traffic violation remained. Sorry to get off topic.

shawnly1000

03-22-2012, 08:39 PM

"CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin said it’s extremely significant because the federal government is not able to prosecute your every day, typical murder. “People fighting on the street is not a federal crime,” Toobin said. “However, if one person shoots another based on racial hostility, racial animus, that does become a federal crime and if, very shortly before the murder, Zimmerman used this racial epithet to refer to the person he ultimately shot, that very much puts it within the FBI and the Justice Department’s ambit of a case that they could prosecute.”"

Anderson Cooper: Did George Zimmerman use a racial slur? Why it's important - National unsolved cases | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cases-in-national/anderson-cooper-did-george-zimmerman-use-a-racial-slur-why-it-s-important)

GabAlmighty

03-22-2012, 09:51 PM

^ I was expecting something a lot worse based on the title. Sure the officer over-reacted, but I don't find it that over-the-top.

He pulled a gun on someone who was in no way resisting/being difficult/putting up a fight... Also, pair that with the concealed arms laws in the states. I'm assuming the "cop" identified himself upon exiting the vehicle but what if the rider hadn't heard him and was a faster draw/shooter than him?

Sounds like a shit storm to me... Either way it's retarded, why couldn't they just have you know, pulled him over the normal way..

metal

03-23-2012, 06:38 AM

Found the version with sound

Motorcycle traffic violation - Cop pulls out gun - YouTube

murd0c

03-23-2012, 07:01 AM

Only in America....

Great68

03-23-2012, 07:45 AM

Even on RS there are people who seem to think something as simple as "fucking with my car" is enough reason for you to shoot them or run them over.

Yeah, but as others have said, there's a little bit of a difference between fucking with someone's car and just "looking like you're up to no good" IE: completely unprovoked in this kid's situation.

GGnoRE

03-23-2012, 08:19 AM

Someone should kill Zimmerman in the exact scenario as he killed the black teen

Call 911, and repeat the paragraph before shooting

"There's a real suspicious guy. ... This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining, and he's just walking around, looking about. ... Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. ... Something's wrong with him. He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what he's doing. ... These assholes, they always get away."

:rukidding:

GLOW

03-23-2012, 08:29 AM

"looks like he's up to no good"
he quoted the theme song to the fresh prince of bel-air? that's his excuse???....:seriously:

Psykopathik

03-23-2012, 09:04 AM

Skittles. Fucking dangerous.

dinosaur

03-23-2012, 10:10 AM

Guns don't kill people, hoodies kill people.

No, Geraldo Rivera, hoodies weren’t to blame - ComPost - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/no-geraldo-rivera-hoodies-werent-to-blame/2012/03/23/gIQAdA65VS_blog.html)

adambomb

03-23-2012, 10:14 AM

Zimmerman is guilty of first-degree murder IMO. The whole race thing can be a grey issue as it always is. But Zimmerman wanted to kill a black man that entered his neighbourhood, Trayvon eating skittles was the target that day. Atleast in the USA, his trial should start soon and he'll go to jail soon. None of the delays that you see in Canada.

If he gets off scot free. Well then... See Presto's gif.

Gridlock

03-23-2012, 10:20 AM

There is a place where it can all be argued,by people, in front of peers that can make a decision on what has happened. A courtroom.

A kid is dead, and a man had a gun to do it. There is no immediate proof of self-defense for law enforcement to say, "not worth the charge".

When you arm yourself, I think you take responsibility that if you use it, there will be consequences. Either, you were clearly in harm's way, and that is evident to all, or you get a case like this. He made that decision when he decided to carry. He made that decision AGAIN when he decided to use it.

If you don't want to ever be put in a situation where you feel justified in a gun's use, but the law does not-then don't carry.

Is there a racial aspect to this case? I believe so. BUT, my primary concern is that above, and it doesn't matter what color everyone is.

XplicitLuder

03-23-2012, 10:21 AM

you can hear him scream for help :heckno: that would be scaryy

shawnly1000

03-23-2012, 11:18 AM

adambomb

03-23-2012, 01:24 PM

Hey! I got failed by MindBomber again! What a surprise!

If there is any member of RS that consistently abuses the fail button. It is this guy. He seems like the person that cannot accept another persons opinion. I can see him being the type of old man that yells at you if you don't rake your leaves, or calls the city to complain if you park infront of his house. Seems like a control freak too (see quote). I don't know MindBomber except for his posts on RS, but i'm willing to bet he wishes he was an RS mod, has applied to be a mod, or is a mod on some other forum. Kind of like those heros in a strata council. The same elitest attitude that killer George Zimmerman may have had. But now that's reaching too far. Just a guess. :hay:

Although I would never live in America, hypothetically, if I did, I wouldn't leave the house unless I was armed to the teeth to protect myself from overzealous fellow citizens.

He's probably working right now, But i'm sure he'll be back to give his two cents. He always does.

adambomb

03-23-2012, 01:26 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong/chime in those studying law....but doesn't first-degree require that there be some premeditation?

You may be right on that. I'm not an ambulance chaser, so I could be wrong. But I'm still firm on my opinion that George Zimmerman wanted to kill Trayvon and that he should be charged with murder. :smug:

smarv

03-23-2012, 02:16 PM

Anonymous used there hacking skills today to obtain zimmermans information, which they tweeted. you can follow them at “youranonnews” on twitter.

"#TrayvonMartin's killer George Zimmerman: 407-878-6007 | 159 Edgewood Circle, Sanford, FL 32773 << Send him Skittles and a hoodie!”

Someone should cat facts him :nyan:

dangonay

03-23-2012, 02:56 PM

Yeah, but as others have said, there's a little bit of a difference between fucking with someone's car and just "looking like you're up to no good" IE: completely unprovoked in this kid's situation.
You remember the guy throwing rocks at cars and getting shot with a crossbow? A lot of people said he got what he deserved. Almost getting killed for throwing rocks. That sounds like fair payback.

marksport

03-23-2012, 03:32 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong/chime in those studying law....but doesn't first-degree require that there be some premeditation?

First Degree Murder is any murder that is willful and premeditated. Felony Murder is typically first degree.

Second Degree Murder is a murder that is not premeditated or planned in advance.

I would think this is more of a second degree as there may not have been much planning involved, unless hypothetically speaking, Zimmerman has seen Trayvon walk past before and got so angered that Trayvon did something such as spitting on the grass of the complex that he decided that next time he saw him he would call the police and pretend that he felt threatened as an excuse to shoot Trayvon.

dinosaur

03-23-2012, 04:51 PM

this story just makes me so sad and upset...

MindBomber

03-23-2012, 05:14 PM

Hey! I got failed by MindBomber again! What a surprise!

In this statement you infer the American judicial system is better than ours, "Atleast in the USA, his trial should start soon and he'll go to jail soon. None of the delays that you see in Canada." I strongly, strongly disagree, because in Canada Zimmerman would have been arrested and arraigned on first degree murder charges already. If it takes time to get him into the court room, so be it. In America the ridiculous gun laws and general attitude leave me doubting that Zimmerman will face charges, I created this thread for that reason.

dangonay

03-25-2012, 01:37 PM

Dateline tonight is going to feature Trayvon Martin.

shawnly1000

03-28-2012, 05:15 PM

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman

Trayvon Martin Case: Exclusive Surveillance Video of George Zimmerman - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3O4rGHCkQ8)

Ronin

03-28-2012, 05:38 PM

You remember the guy throwing rocks at cars and getting shot with a crossbow? A lot of people said he got what he deserved. Almost getting killed for throwing rocks. That sounds like fair payback.

Don't be fucking stupid and throw rocks. Then you won't be shot with a cross bow. Either way, he was wrong to throw rocks. Don't be stupid...and you won't be shot with a crossbow.

Completely different situation. What are you going to say to this kid? Don't eat Skittles? Don't drink iced tea? Don't walk around with a hoodie on?

7seven

03-28-2012, 05:50 PM

What are you going to say to this kid? Don't eat Skittles? Don't drink iced tea? Don't walk around with a hoodie on?

Actually....

Geraldo Rivera Blames Trayvon Martin (Or His Parents) For Wearing Hoodie - YouTube

:seriously::facepalm: oh Geraldo

Phozy

03-28-2012, 05:53 PM

Sigh..this injustice makes me speechless
Sounds like the court officials just want to protect the white man, like there isnt enough evidence? :facepalm:
Refer to prestos gif

b0unce. [?]

03-28-2012, 07:51 PM

apparently there are new updated recent photo's of zimmerman and martin.

pictures of martin looking thug-ish with grills and shit. reports of him causing trouble at school and what not. i'm sure its on the net somewhere now, i can't quite remember the source.

zimmerman stated that martin punched him and slammed his head in the sidewalk.

Leaked police report tells George Zimmerman (http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/46868802/#46868802)

CorneringArtist

03-28-2012, 08:25 PM

Jassanova

03-28-2012, 09:17 PM

Exclusive: Video of George Zimmerman Shows No Blood, Bruises

Trayvon Martin Case: Exclusive Surveillance Video of George Zimmerman - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-martin-case-exclusive-surveillance-video-george-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3Pt3Oz-_M)

parm104

03-28-2012, 09:49 PM

Most of you have already shared my sentiments and stated my opinions but I still wanted to say:

#fuckzimmerman

nah

03-28-2012, 10:01 PM

I have feeling karma is going to be coming back at Zimmerman eventually if the courts don't do anything.

mikemhg

03-30-2012, 04:21 PM

The police should pick this guy up because the way things are brewing right now, someone might just take a run at him.

Zimmerman is fucked either way, his life is over whether he gets out of this or not. If he doesn't end up in jail, someone will kill him on the outside.

rsx

03-30-2012, 04:34 PM

Can't someone else walk down, see this guy and kill him claiming he made a threatening gesture/move?

$_$

03-30-2012, 05:01 PM

I still don't understand what's going on. How can so much evidence showing that it wasn't self defence, multiple witnesses, now surveillance video from the police station showing no injury still not get this guy arrested? Put the police who attended him in front of a court full of people and see if they are willing to perjure themselves. If he was hurt, then paramedics would've been on scene as well. Where are the statements from police? Paramedics? This story makes absolutely no sense to me why no one is held liable yet.

The7even

04-01-2012, 10:47 PM

Actually....

Geraldo Rivera Blames Trayvon Martin (Or His Parents) For Wearing Hoodie - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTMyb15bfAE)

:seriously::facepalm: oh Geraldo

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/elmedin7/Miami-Heat-Hoodies4X3-thumb-400xauto-32740.jpg

2 killed, 11 wounded in Chicago shootings Thursday

Associated Press Sports

updated 7:18 p.m. ET March 30, 2012

CHICAGO (AP) - A nephew of Miami Heat star Dwyane Wade was one of 13 men shot - two fatally - during a violent six-hour stretch in Chicago, another indication that violence is on the rise in the nation's third-largest city.

A spokesperson for Wade confirmed that his nephew was one of those injured in a Thursday shooting at a convenience store. The spokesperson declined to confirm the nephew's name or condition.

Wade, a Chicago native, was playing in a game at Toronto on Friday night.

Wade's nephew was one of six males shot at a store on Chicago's South Side at about 6 p.m. Thursday by hooded men who police said fled the scene in an SUV. One man was dead at the scene and four others - ranging in age from 16 to 24 - were hospitalized in critical condition. The Cook County medical examiner's office identified the slain man as Shawndell Harris, 22.

Just sayin..

JHatta

04-10-2012, 09:38 AM

$_$

04-10-2012, 10:25 AM

So now zimmerman launched a website asking for donations:

Trayvon Martin killer George Zimmerman launches website | News | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/04/10/george-zimmerman-launches-website-in-appeal-for-donations/)

Time to launch some canons ?

For those that are lazy:

http://therealgeorgezimmerman.com/Home_Page.php

This is such a poorly done website lol ...

Presto

04-10-2012, 03:09 PM

Zimmerman's lawyers bail out:
Attorneys for Trayvon Martin shooter Zimmerman withdraw from case | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/10/us-usa-florida-shooting-lawyers-idUSBRE8391D820120410)

(Reuters) - George Zimmerman's lawyers withdrew from his defense on Tuesday after the man who shot and killed an unarmed black Florida teenager telephoned prosecutors directly, contacted a television journalist and set up a website all without their knowledge.

Defense lawyers Craig Sonner and Hal Uhrig said they lost contact with their client on Sunday and were concerned for his mental and physical health following a wave a protests across the country that have demanded Zimmerman's arrest for the death of Trayvon Martin, 17.

"We have lost contact with him," Sonner told a news conference outside the Seminole County Courthouse in Sanford, Florida, the town where Martin was shot.

The decision by the lawyers to step down marks the latest twist in a case that has captured national attention because of race and Florida's controversial self-defense laws.

Martin was black and Zimmerman is white and Hispanic.

Zimmerman, 28, has not been charged in the case and has been in hiding since the shooting incident exploded into the public consciousness. Sonner and Uhrig declined on Tuesday to say where Zimmerman was except to say he was in the United States.

Uhrig said he remains concerned about his former client's mental and physical health, calling the investigation and the media attention "a terribly corrosive process."

"He probably watches more of this every day than he should," Uhrig said. "He's emotionally alone, and you might even say emotionally crippled."

The lawyers said they would return to representing Zimmerman if he were to reach out and request their services.

For the time being, however, both attorneys said they were concerned he was taking action in the case without their advice.

They said they were particularly concerned that Zimmerman had telephoned the special prosecutor's office and offered to answer questions. The prosecutor's office told the attorneys about Zimmerman's call and said they declined to meet or speak with him without his legal representation.

On Monday, Zimmerman launched a website to raise money for his legal defense and living expenses while he awaits the decision over possible charges against him.

The website, called therealgeorgezimmerman.com, offers one of the first publicly available comments from Zimmerman since he went into hiding after the shooting on February 26.

"I was involved in a life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage," Zimmerman says on the home page.

Sanford police declined to arrest Zimmerman after the shooting, saying they found no evidence to contradict his account that he acted in self-defense. Police cited Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which allows people to use deadly force against adversaries when they fear great bodily harm or death.

shawnly1000

04-11-2012, 10:26 AM

Update: "George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, official says"

George Zimmerman to be charged in Trayvon Martin shooting, official says - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/george-zimmerman-to-be-charged-in-trayvon-martin-shooting-law-enforcement-official-says/2012/04/11/gIQAHJ5oAT_story.html)

dangonay

04-11-2012, 03:11 PM

^ He's in custody and facing 2nd degree murder charge. Just saw announcement on CNN.

Presto

04-11-2012, 03:18 PM

^^^

George Zimmerman charged, is in custody - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html)

(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who says he was acting in self-defense when he fatally shot an unarmed teenager in Sanford, Florida, has been charged with second-degree murder, a special prosecutor announced Wednesday.

Zimmerman was arrested on a warrant and was in the custody of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, his new attorney, Mark O'Mara, told CNN legal analyst Mark NeJame.

The charges were announced in Jacksonville by prosecutor Angela Corey, who has said her job was "to find out the full truth" about the February 26 incident in Sanford.

"We did not come to this decision lightly," she told reporters.

What do you think about the decision to charge Zimmerman?

For weeks, Trayvon Martin's parents have demanded an arrest in their 17-year-old son's shooting death. His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said earlier Wednesday, "I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that justice will be served."

Zimmerman's claim of self-defense failed to quell an uproar about the decision by Sanford police not to initially charge him and about Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows the use of deadly force by anyone who feels a reasonable threat of death or serious injury.

Trayvon Martin case has a tough, controversial prosecutor

Corey declined to disclose where Zimmerman was being held.

In Florida, a conviction for second-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of life in prison.

Lawyers for Zimmerman are entitled to request bond, Corey said. Once they do so, a bond hearing will be held.

CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said Corey "threw the book" at Zimmerman.

The Rev. Al Sharpton appeared with Martin's parents after Corey's announcement.

"They charged him with a serious crime," Sharpton said of Zimmerman. "He deserves a fair trial. We don't want anybody high-fiving tonight. There's no victory here. There are no winners here. They've lost their son."

Although details of the evening shooting remain murky, what is known is that Martin, an African-American, ventured out from his father's fiancee's home in Sanford to get a snack at a nearby convenience store.

As he walked back with a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Iced Tea, he was shot and killed by Zimmerman, who is Hispanic. Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to complain about a suspicious person in the neighborhood, according to authorities.

Authorities have said Zimmerman was not immediately charged because there were no grounds, at the outset, to disprove his account that he'd acted to protect himself. A police report indicated the volunteer was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head.

Florida Rep. Dennis Baxley, who sponsored the "stand your ground" law in 2005, said nothing in it allows people to "pursue and confront."

In a letter last month to the Orlando Sentinel, George Zimmerman's father wrote that his son has been unfairly portrayed as a racist.

Presto

04-27-2012, 11:09 AM

Zimmerman's website rakes in $200,000:
Zimmerman lawyer tells judge website raised $200,000 | CTV Ottawa | CTV News (http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120427/zimmerman-website-money-120427/20120427/?hub=OttawaHome)

ORLANDO, Fla. — A judge is considering whether to raise or revoke the bond for the U.S. man charged with murder in the shooting of an unarmed black teen after the man's lawyer told the judge a website had raised $200,000 for his defence.

The attorney for George Zimmerman told the judge Friday he didn't know his client had raised the money before a bond hearing last week in which his client was granted $150,000 bond.

Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin after weeks without an arrest led to protests nationwide over racial profiling and controversial self-defence laws in Florida and other states. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is from Peru.

Zimmerman has gone into hiding since his release this week after paying 10 per cent of his bail, though he has to wear a GPS ankle bracelet that authorities can use to track his location.

Florida Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said Friday he wanted more information about the money and what Zimmerman knew before deciding whether to revoke or raise his bond.

The lawyer for Martin's parents, Benjamin Crump, said Friday he has asked the prosecutor to request that the judge revoke Zimmerman's bail for not disclosing at the original hearing last week how much money he had.

"This is a bombshell that was dropped," Crump told The Associated Press. He said the parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, were "offended" that Zimmerman failed to inform the court of the money.

Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, told CNN late Thursday the $200,000 was raised by a website Zimmerman set up for his legal defence. The website has since been shut down, but O'Mara said he'll likely start a new defence fund.

O'Mara did not immediately return a phone message from The Associated Press.

Friday's hearing was initially scheduled to deal with the request by several media organizations, including The Associated Press, to unseal documents from Zimmerman's court file.

Lester said he would not stop Zimmerman's attorneys from talking to the media if they chose. The prosecution had asked for a gag order on those involved in the trial.

Everymans

04-27-2012, 11:36 AM

This whole situation is bullshit, but that seems to be what's expected for news coming out of Florida. There's a reason why this GIF sees a lot of usage:
http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/PolarBearsClub/neogaf/kckrc0.gif

This reminds me of that time I watched Hood Life Volume 3. It was like a third world country. I'd link it but it's not work safe in the least. Youtube it. You will rage.

Ronin

04-27-2012, 01:14 PM

Who in the hell gave this man $200k?! Why on earth would you give your hard earned money to a guy that SHOT A KID!?!

spyker

04-27-2012, 02:07 PM

Who in the hell gave this man $200k?! Why on earth would you give your hard earned money to a guy that SHOT A KID!?!

IDIOTS!

Those are the types of people who gave him money.

IMASA

04-27-2012, 02:52 PM

IDIOTS!

Those are the types of people who gave him money.

That and members of the NRA.

GLOW

04-27-2012, 03:26 PM

That and members of the NRA.

i was thinking AN or KKK

ilvtofu

04-27-2012, 11:03 PM

Lol if I were zimmerman I'd rather be in custody considering how the media has portrayed this case, so many people want his head right now and know where he is, it'd just be safer to have police around him.

Surprised it wasn't posted on here but I found what NBC did a few weeks ago pretty damn funny, they essentially edited the phone call zimmerman had with the 911 operator to push the racist envelope

Went from
Zimmerman said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about."
The 911 officer responded saying, "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?"
"He looks black," Zimmerman said.

To
This guy looks like he's up to no good … he looks black."

In no way am I backing this guy up for what he did, just a reminder that we need to be careful about how the media interprets things.

The7even

04-28-2012, 10:45 AM

Zimmerman is not guilty, simple as that. He's still innocent.
And from the looks of it all, it looks like it was self defense.

vitaminG

04-28-2012, 01:16 PM

Zimmerman is not guilty, simple as that. He's still innocent.
And from the looks of it all, it looks like it was self defense.

he probably will be found innocent, but only because of the way the stand your ground law works. The way i understand it, you can basically just pick a fight, shoot the guy, and then say you were scared he was going to hurt you.

Its not the cops faults either, theyre just enforcing the law as written. But if/when this guy is found innocent, theres gonna be a fuckin riot.

murd0c

07-13-2013, 06:10 PM

WOW, I wonder when the riots will start...

George Zimmerman found not guilty - World - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/13/zimmerman-jury.html)
George Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges on Saturday for the fatal shooting of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in this central Florida town in February of last year.

If he had been convicted, the 29-year-old former neighborhood watch volunteer, who claimed he acted in self-defense, could have been sentenced to life in prison for second-degree murder or up to 30 years for manslaughter.

A panel of six women jurors rendered its verdict in the case, which sparked a national debate on issues including race and profiling, after a trial that began in Seminole County court on June 10.

Vale46Rossi

07-13-2013, 06:12 PM

Eh, I am sure there was resonable doubt.

dinosaur

07-13-2013, 06:12 PM

RODNEY KING!!!!!!!

Sublime- April 29, 1992 Lyrics! - YouTube

StylinRed

07-13-2013, 06:19 PM

I'm surprised they didn't find him guilty of Manslaughter but US Law is a bit off

predom

07-13-2013, 06:20 PM

LOL if any of you actually listened to the trial you would know he is not guilty, and it was self defense.

This didn't even need to go to trial in the first place, only reason was because of race.

StylinRed

07-13-2013, 06:22 PM

LOL if any of you actually listened to the trial you would know he is not guilty, and it was self defense.

This didn't even need to go to trial in the first place, only reason was because of race.

not guilty of 2nd degree murder certainly there isn't enough evidence there to convict him of that, manslaughter on the other hand was always a possibility

god i hate the DA wasn't involved in the case at all and here she is acting like she's the shit in the press conference :fuckthatshit:

Harvey Specter

07-13-2013, 06:24 PM

It was a weak case to begin with, not surprised he got off. Even if he got convicted they would have appealed it and probably got the charges thrown out.

And the judge in this case did all she could to try to give the state bit of an edge by not allowing evidence that would have ended this case in the first day for the defense but even that couldn't help the state.

solo_ryder

07-13-2013, 06:26 PM

Nancy grace is proly losing her shit right now

dinosaur

07-13-2013, 06:27 PM

In a country where they couldn't even convict Casey Anthony, this doesn't surprise me...

USA=stiff penalty but hard to convict
Canada=light penalty easy to convict

MindBomber

07-13-2013, 06:45 PM

Cool.

Strong followup to Wendy Davis' defeat in Texas.

You go, America!

Not really racist!

07-13-2013, 06:48 PM

Dr. Phil must be pissed off

will068

07-13-2013, 06:52 PM

What did you guys think of the 911 audio where someone was screaming "Help!!". I'm leaning towards the fact that Zimmerman was the victim yelling "Help!!".

Not really racist!

07-13-2013, 06:56 PM

lol wow....

O'Mara: If Zimmerman was black he would not have been charged with a crime...

StylinRed

07-13-2013, 06:59 PM

cant really imagine a guy going "heeelllp heeeeellllp" while getting 'pummeled' and also drawing a gun and concentrating on shooting the guy and thus immediately ending the screams

but in the end we don't know only zimmerman will

dinosaur

07-13-2013, 07:03 PM

lol wow....

O'Mara: If Zimmerman was black he would not have been charged with a crime...

Fla. mom gets 20 years for firing warning shots - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)

Gridlock

07-13-2013, 07:07 PM

This was a media case, pure and simple.

The Martin family had a few of the regular players get involved(*cough* Jesse Jackson) early and started pumping it to media.

Remember there were pictures where Trayvon had his skin lightened to look more white, and NBC is editing phone calls to make it sound like Zimmerman said he was up to no good...and black.

This shit isn't real. This is media looking for ratings, and people looking for revenge based on shit law.

Put the law on trial! If your state has a law that says you are cool to chase a guy through a complex and then claim that you were standing your ground when you shot him...change that law! Change any blanket laws that involve shooting people. You want self-defence to be a thing? then describe self-defence. You want people to know this shit when they buy a gun so they don't cap black kids with skittles then get your shit together and change gun laws. There is a difference between gun laws that outlaw guns and gun laws that teach people, "here are the 50 things that you need to know to keep your white/black/purple ass out of jail when you fire a weapon. Let's start with #1 guys, we have a lot of this shit to go through"

Maybe we shouldn't be selling hand guns at fucking Kmart. Maybe that's an issue.

Out of the many issues in this case, the one that concerns me the least...THE FUCKING LEAST is that the kid was black and shot by a hispanic guy. Shitty? Fuck yes. But we can't change it any time soon. Would he have shot the kid if he was white? Maybe not. Who knows. But let's be real. This guy was NOT alone in his thought patterns.

No, the part that concerns me is bad law based on some senator wanting to get re-elected and whipping up a shit bill that opens up the question of grey areas on shooting.

Let's have Fox&Friends actually give a fuck on that issue.

StylinRed

07-13-2013, 07:12 PM

^^^ just a note this wasn't a stand your ground trial

Not really racist!

07-13-2013, 07:26 PM

George Zimmerman Trial VERDICT: NOT GUILTY - YouTube

guddagudd

07-13-2013, 07:51 PM

Klondike

07-13-2013, 08:13 PM

http://youtu.be/M-55vYgEnsQ?t=49s

Better quality.

I don't think the riot will be as bad as the one in 1992.

StylinRed

07-13-2013, 08:14 PM

do we really need all these videos showing the verdict of not guilty? we already know...

Ronin

07-13-2013, 08:33 PM

dangonay

07-13-2013, 09:11 PM

They had a former prosecutor from New York on CNN and he made some interesting comments. He said if you bring a gun to a fist fight and kill the other person you're going to get convicted of manslaughter (if it happened in NY). He said there'd be no media circus and no press conferences by the prosecution - you'd be charged and convicted, plain and simple.

He also thought it odd that similar cases in different States have completely different outcomes based on the variations in local laws (I sensed he was poking fun at Florida).

StylinRed

07-13-2013, 09:16 PM

There's not enough evidence/witnesses for 2nd degree murder there's a witness that says he thinks he say Martin on top of Zimmerman

and Zimmerman claims he wasn't stalking Martin but rather he stopped following Martin when 911 told him to (nothing to refute this) and there's zimmermans scratches to his head and bloody nose :rolleyes: so 2nd degree=no

But Manslaughter imo should have been his sentence as long as there's a death Manslaughter is there to be placed

Vansterdam

07-13-2013, 09:26 PM

my buddy showed me this

lol notice anything?

George Zimmerman Riots After Not Guilty Verdict - YouTube

Ronin

07-13-2013, 09:39 PM

LOL they stole some Vancouver riot footage?

I don't know how these people came to this conclusion. Even if Martin got the better of Zimmerman in a struggle and Zimmerman had to shoot him to prevent Martin from killing him, none of this would've happened if he didn't...

ZIMMERMAN: Hey kid, you look shady. Come with me to the police station.

MARTIN: What? Dude, I just went to buy an iced tea and Skittles.

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, but you're wearing a hoodie so you're obviously up to no good.

MARTIN: ...seriously? No, dude...fuck off.

I don't care what laws were in place and what evidence is where. If Zimmerman left Martin alone, none of this shit would've happened. Reason and logic determines that he's guilty. Stand your ground? He wouldn't have to stand his ground if he didn't pick a fight.

It might be the right verdict given the presented cases but simple common sense tells me he's guilty.

The7even

07-13-2013, 10:15 PM

Isn't it reasonable to believe that Martin would be alive if Zimmerman didn't follow and confront him?

Personally, I think that's enough to convict right there. Even if Tayvon beat the fuck out of Zimmerman, it's because some dick as bothering him while he was buying Skittles. And it's a gun against an unarmed teenager. I don't get how this guy gets off even with reasonable doubt. His actions caused this kid's death.

And if America knew what was good for them, they'd take a saw and cut Florida off and let that shit float to wherever Atlantis sunk. What a godforsaken hellhole...I swear half the fucked up news stories from MURICA come from America's Wang.

No.. it is not reasonable to believe what you just said.
Let's stop ignoring the facts.
Trayvon was a thug and acted like one. Don't buy the 'he was still an embryo' story the bullshit media feeds you. They want to pull on peoples emotions, they made zimmerman a monster.
I followed the whole trial, every day it was on.
Trust me, no way is he guilty of anything but self defense.
The real problem here is the media that tries to race bait.

Ronin

07-13-2013, 10:46 PM

The7even

07-13-2013, 11:09 PM

Fact is Martin would be alive if Zimmerman minded his own goddamn business. I don't care about anyone being black or white or purple. Zimmerman confronted a guy and that guy is dead. I don't know what happened but if Zimmerman wasn't a nosy asshole, he wouldn't be on trial.

Nosy asshole?

No offense but do you get your information from the media? Honest question, not being sarcastic.

He wasn't "nosy". He was doing his part of trying to prevent a string of robberies from occuring. Previous to him killing trayvon, there were many robberies occuring in his community. He even helped one of his neighboors that was robbed by providing her with a lock he bought him self and tried to organize his community and neighboors to try and keep an eye out for burglars.

If you didn't know, he was a neighborhood watch coordinator or leader. Either way, it was his business to observe and report.

He observed, he reported. He attempted to notify dispatch of the location of a suspect and upon being told to not follow, he returned to his car.. it was that on his way to his car that he was aproached by trayvon - who by the way called him a "creepy ass cracka" (not racist because racism doesn't exist against whites) and confronted him.

Also, on the tape that was made of the 9-11 call, you can clearly hear zimmerman calling for help for about 15-20 seconds. That's 20 seconds of getting your face smashed in and against concrete..

Anyone claiming that it was Trayvon calling for help.. LOL. Yeah..

Zimmerman = bloody and fucked up face and head
Trayvon = not a scratch on him - aside from the bullet

and you conclude that Zimmerman fucked up..

yeah, sure. Trayvon was pounding away at zimmerman while also screaming "HELP!! HELP!!"

...

Also, I know you're aware that Media is complete shit.. so why do you fall for their emotionally charged perspective - which by the way ignores facts and appeals to emotion only because it increases their ratings.

C'mon :/

Ronin

07-13-2013, 11:41 PM

Ronin

07-13-2013, 11:52 PM

Where I do agree with Florida is that if someone enters your home illegally, you should be able to kill them where they stand. Neighborhood watch? Even if Martin was a thug, Zimmerman had no reasons other than Martin's blackness. I'm sure we've all seen some people that aren't very lawful everyday but none of us get our faces kicked in because we don't approach or interact with them.

I'm just restating because I don't think you get what point I'm making.
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acurael

07-14-2013, 12:12 AM

Nosy asshole?

No offense but do you get your information from the media? Honest question, not being sarcastic.

He wasn't "nosy". He was doing his part of trying to prevent a string of robberies from occuring. Previous to him killing trayvon, there were many robberies occuring in his community. He even helped one of his neighboors that was robbed by providing her with a lock he bought him self and tried to organize his community and neighboors to try and keep an eye out for burglars.

If you didn't know, he was a neighborhood watch coordinator or leader. Either way, it was his business to observe and report.

He observed, he reported. He attempted to notify dispatch of the location of a suspect and upon being told to not follow, he returned to his car.. it was that on his way to his car that he was aproached by trayvon - who by the way called him a "creepy ass cracka" (not racist because racism doesn't exist against whites) and confronted him.

Also, on the tape that was made of the 9-11 call, you can clearly hear zimmerman calling for help for about 15-20 seconds. That's 20 seconds of getting your face smashed in and against concrete..

Anyone claiming that it was Trayvon calling for help.. LOL. Yeah..

Zimmerman = bloody and fucked up face and head
Trayvon = not a scratch on him - aside from the bullet

and you conclude that Zimmerman fucked up..

yeah, sure. Trayvon was pounding away at zimmerman while also screaming "HELP!! HELP!!"

...

Also, I know you're aware that Media is complete shit.. so why do you fall for their emotionally charged perspective - which by the way ignores facts and appeals to emotion only because it increases their ratings.

C'mon :/

The media is full of shit most of the time. You are right about that. Zimmerman started a fight with a teenager and shot him with a gun. He provoked the whole confrontation. You're telling me this guy can't fight a teenager off? Something doesn't add up.

It's like me going up to someone on the street and pick a fight and then as we are fighting just shoot them. Is that self defense? Just cause Zimmerman had more bruises and cuts doesn't mean he's innocent. He just got his ass handed to him by a kid and then decided hey I have a gun, I'lll just shoot him because I'm losing the fight. That's second degree murder imo.

Not really racist!

07-14-2013, 12:19 AM

my buddy showed me this

lol notice anything?

George Zimmerman Riots After Not Guilty Verdict - YouTube (http://youtu.be/tBtSN7-zoj0)

lol fucking vancouver riot?

sheeps taking footage and adding a new title foolin everybody..hah

The7even

07-14-2013, 12:31 AM

I understand that my initial reactions in this thread were based on what I read. There wasn't a court case to follow at the time but since, my only reaction is that if Zimmerman didn't follow Martin, he wouldn't have been confronted by him. Neighborhood watch? What reason did he have to follow Martin? He wasn't committing a crime at the time.

There's plenty of reasonable doubt, which is why I mentioned that given the evidence (or lack of evidence), the ruling wasn't a surprise but logic tells me that a.) Martin was not committing a crime at the time, b.) Martin would not have attacked Zimmerman it Zimmerman did not follow Martin first and c.) that given that, Zimmerman caused a series of events that ended with Martin dead. He would not have to stand his ground if he didn't cause the fight.

I have no problem with thugs or gangbangers dying. I shrug and say good every time someone mentions a gangster shooting as long as no innocent people were harmed in the cross fire. I don't worry about those sorts of dude smashing me in the face because I'm not out there playing rent-a-cop.
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But Zimmerman didn't cause the fight.

It is not illegal to really follow someone from a distance to report them to the police if you think they're suspicious.

I don't know if you saw during the closing statements by the defense but Omara, Zimmermans lawyer, stopped talking for about 5 minutes and sat there, let the whole court take in how much time Trayvon had to go home .. but he didn't - he back tracked and attacked Zimmerman.

I urge you to watch some of it on youtube.

You are right, Trayvon wasn't commiting a crime, but the fact is that due to the previous string of burglaries, he thought that Trayvon looked suspicious because of his hoodie, and frankly, I would have thought the same.
Sorry, but how a person dresses is a factor in how they are judged, whether we like it or not.

With that said.. Zimmerman wasn't commiting a crime either, in fact, he was reporting someone suspicious to non emergency and was attacked on his way back to his car.

If you want to say that if he didn't get out of his car and try to get a location on Trayvon to let the police know where he is then he wouldn't have been confronted, then yeah, that's a point. But you can also say that if he didn't leave his house or if he didn't volunteer as a comminity watch or whatever, he wouldn't have killed Trayvon.
I could also say that if Trayvon didn't backtrack and confront Zimmerman, he wouldn't have been shot.

You cannot excuse Trayvon's attack on Zimmerman, no matter what he thought Zimmerman did.. which was try to find out where Trayvon was headed.

Remember, he attacked Zimmerman and he used racial epithat to describe George.. so why is Zimmerman the racist? He never called anyone a nigger, coon, whatever.. he called him a punk.. yet he's the racist.. and Trayvon called him a cracker, but his racial vulgarity is ignored.. why?

The7even

07-14-2013, 12:35 AM

The media is full of shit most of the time. You are right about that. Zimmerman started a fight with a teenager and shot him with a gun. He provoked the whole confrontation. You're telling me this guy can't fight a teenager off? Something doesn't add up.

It's like me going up to someone on the street and pick a fight and then as we are fighting just shoot them. Is that self defense? Just cause Zimmerman had more bruises and cuts doesn't mean he's innocent. He just got his ass handed to him by a kid and then decided hey I have a gun, I'lll just shoot him because I'm losing the fight. That's second degree murder imo.

Toppest of lel's

I love the made up story you have there.

murd0c

07-14-2013, 01:37 AM

What happened happened and like its been said so many times already only Zimmerman knows the real truth. At least he's an overall good person from the looks of things and not a serial killer or pedo and might reoffend. Sad story no questions asked but in certain places you have to be careful with how you look, act and say no matter how bad that sounds.
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Shades

07-14-2013, 02:00 AM

But Zimmerman didn't cause the fight.

It is not illegal to really follow someone from a distance to report them to the police if you think they're suspicious.

I don't know if you saw during the closing statements by the defense but Omara, Zimmermans lawyer, stopped talking for about 5 minutes and sat there, let the whole court take in how much time Trayvon had to go home .. but he didn't - he back tracked and attacked Zimmerman.

I urge you to watch some of it on youtube.

You are right, Trayvon wasn't commiting a crime, but the fact is that due to the previous string of burglaries, he thought that Trayvon looked suspicious because of his hoodie, and frankly, I would have thought the same.
Sorry, but how a person dresses is a factor in how they are judged, whether we like it or not.

With that said.. Zimmerman wasn't commiting a crime either, in fact, he was reporting someone suspicious to non emergency and was attacked on his way back to his car.

If you want to say that if he didn't get out of his car and try to get a location on Trayvon to let the police know where he is then he wouldn't have been confronted, then yeah, that's a point. But you can also say that if he didn't leave his house or if he didn't volunteer as a comminity watch or whatever, he wouldn't have killed Trayvon.
I could also say that if Trayvon didn't backtrack and confront Zimmerman, he wouldn't have been shot.

You cannot excuse Trayvon's attack on Zimmerman, no matter what he thought Zimmerman did.. which was try to find out where Trayvon was headed.

Remember, he attacked Zimmerman and he used racial epithat to describe George.. so why is Zimmerman the racist? He never called anyone a nigger, coon, whatever.. he called him a punk.. yet he's the racist.. and Trayvon called him a cracker, but his racial vulgarity is ignored.. why?

If you judged Trayvon based on how he was dressed you should see his post moretem photo posted by msnbc. He didn't look like a thug. His hoody wasn't baggy and his pants were tapered. And what is wrong with wearing a hoody on a rainy night as it was the night of the incident?

If someone were to follow me home I would ask them why they are following me. Wouldn't you?

bing

07-14-2013, 04:24 AM

I don't think people understand how judges and juries reach "not guilty" verdicts. Yes, the standard in the system may seem high yet this has still not precluded wrongful convictions.

http://lawyer-denver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/burden-of-proof2.jpg
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The7even

07-14-2013, 05:30 AM

If you judged Trayvon based on how he was dressed you should see his post moretem photo posted by msnbc. He didn't look like a thug. His hoody wasn't baggy and his pants were tapered. And what is wrong with wearing a hoody on a rainy night as it was the night of the incident?

If someone were to follow me home I would ask them why they are following me. Wouldn't you?

To be honest, I would probably try to avoid them, I'm non confrontational.

On the off chance that I would ask someone why they were following me, I would use my mouth and tongue in conjunction and attempt to form sentences such as "why are you following me?" and "is there something you wan't from me?"

Were I a piece of shit I would more than not use my fists and attempt to pummel that person and slam their head against concrete in an attempt to show how macho I am.

Guess what Trayshit did?

Edit: There isn't anything wrong with wearing a hoody, just expect people to be suspicious of you if you are in an area that has experienced burglaries and you fit the description of the robbers and your clothes resemble the clothes worn by people that are comitting these crimes.

This isn't hard.

StylinRed

07-14-2013, 11:05 AM

Fact is you only have Zimmermans version that he stopped stalking Trayvon you can't take his story as fact given the circumstances of him killing someone

Fact is we don't know what happened that started the confrontation Zimmerman had to have been following, leering, etc Trayvon quite prominently and perhaps for some time for Trayvon to even notice some old creepy guy following him on his way home; we don't know if Zimmerman was the one who was feeling rather confident (since he had a gun) to go up to Trayvon and get in his face

We can assume<< that Trayvon was able to get the upper hand on Zimmerman and lay him out given Zimmermans injuries and the witness but that doesn't mean that Trayvon started it simply that Trayvon was more skilled

We don't know who was screaming you can come up with opinions either way my personal feelings is that it was probably Trayvon screaming

Fact is given the requirements for a Manslaughter conviction, Zimmerman could/should be guilty of it but the Jury felt differently.

And constantly using derogatory words and descriptions of a murdered teenager who was just trying to walk home is pathetic 7even and this from someone who usually agrees with you :P

Hondaracer

07-14-2013, 11:09 AM

#JusticeForZimmerman
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sonick

07-14-2013, 11:34 AM

Still pretty funny the fact the defense started opening statements with a terrible knock-knock joke and still ended up winning.

StylinRed

07-14-2013, 11:47 AM

lol whats hilarious is that attorney still stands by his joke he really rubs off the wrong way with everyone to the point you notice that the other attorney was answering most the questions at the press conference and doing most interviews

supposedly mr. knock knock joke used to be a DJ so i guess some of that attitude still remains ;)

Soundy

07-14-2013, 11:51 AM

Sheeple, Twexperts, and the Court of Public Opinion | DadditudesDadditudes (http://dadditudes.com/2013/07/14/sheeple-twexperts-and-the-court-of-public-opinion/12750/)

BaoTurbo

07-14-2013, 12:19 PM

For everyone who has some sort of idea that Zimmerman was actually out there for the community following this suspicious black male, well I tell you that there are always two sides to the truth. Yes there were a string of robberies and Zimmerman could be worried and just doing a duty of a fellow neighborhood hero of reporting this suspicious behaviour. As I was reading the articles and comments I can only conclude in my opinion that Zimmerman is just using this reason to escape his own paranoia. I'm not saying hes crazy or something but I'm pretty sure this guy has some sort of degree of mental issues.

9. Zimmerman called the police 46 times since Jan. 1, 2011. [Miami Herald]
10. According to neighbors, Zimmerman was “fixated on crime and focused on young, black males.” [Miami Herald]
11. Zimmerman “had been the subject of complaints by neighbors in his gated community for aggressive tactics” [Huffington Post]

This guy called 911 in 1 year more times than the old lady across the street fearing for her life. Seriously it really tells you something about this guy and how his paranoia is quite extensive.

Even his neighbors thinks hes Batman with a cellphone and a 9mm.

And even his neighbors hate this guy for his aggressive paranoia and tactics.

IMO this guy I swear to god reminds me of those people who thinks they are heroes and need to look out for society. They have a gun or whatever at least some sort of authoritative power, and they are always on the lookout for crime to solve but their civilian status just deems that whatever they are doing is unecessary. Then low and behold, shit goes down and someone dies. I'm just throwing it out there that this is exactly what I'm feeling from this story.

Soundy

07-14-2013, 12:41 PM

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/695/8957766836.jpg

dangonay

07-14-2013, 01:12 PM

Fact is you only have Zimmermans version that he stopped stalking Trayvon you can't take his story as fact given the circumstances of him killing someone

Sure we can take Zimmermans account as fact. After all, he was there, right? And I'm sure he's incapable of lying and would NEVER distort the facts at all in order to keep his ass out of prison.

StylinRed

07-14-2013, 01:18 PM

For everyone who has some sort of idea that Zimmerman was actually out there for the community following this suspicious black male, well I tell you that there are always two sides to the truth. Yes there were a string of robberies and Zimmerman could be worried and just doing a duty of a fellow neighborhood hero of reporting this suspicious behaviour. As I was reading the articles and comments I can only conclude in my opinion that Zimmerman is just using this reason to escape his own paranoia. I'm not saying hes crazy or something but I'm pretty sure this guy has some sort of degree of mental issues.

This guy called 911 in 1 year more times than the old lady across the street fearing for her life. Seriously it really tells you something about this guy and how his paranoia is quite extensive.

Even his neighbors thinks hes Batman with a cellphone and a 9mm.

And even his neighbors hate this guy for his aggressive paranoia and tactics.

IMO this guy I swear to god reminds me of those people who thinks they are heroes and need to look out for society. They have a gun or whatever at least some sort of authoritative power, and they are always on the lookout for crime to solve but their civilian status just deems that whatever they are doing is unecessary. Then low and behold, shit goes down and someone dies. I'm just throwing it out there that this is exactly what I'm feeling from this story.

to add to that Zimmerman was also charged with assaulting an officer and resisting arrest back in 2005 so we know he's an aggressive person

those charges were dropped due to the officer supposedly not identifying himself

odd that the prosecution didnt try to get that officer involved to testify on Zimmermans skills at fighting since the defense was playing Zimmerman up as a weakling that would "lose to his own shadow" in a shadow boxing match :rolleyes: and had multiple witnesses in regards to his fighting ability

Shades

07-14-2013, 01:44 PM

to add to that Zimmerman was also charged with assaulting an officer and resisting arrest back in 2005 so we know he's an aggressive person

those charges were dropped due to the officer supposedly not identifying himself

odd that the prosecution didnt try to get that officer involved to testify on Zimmermans skills at fighting since the defense was playing Zimmerman up as a weakling that would "lose to his own shadow" in a shadow boxing match :rolleyes: and had multiple witnesses in regards to his fighting ability

Also, when questioned by authorities Zimmerman lied about knowing the stand your ground law. He had previously taken a course on it and was an A student.

Where do they find these juries. I think any sensible person would find Zimmerman guilty.

Gridlock

07-14-2013, 11:43 PM

Also, when questioned by authorities Zimmerman lied about knowing the stand your ground law. He had previously taken a course on it and was an A student.

Where do they find these juries. I think any sensible person would find Zimmerman guilty.

Beyond a reasonable doubt.

Let's work that through for those that want to convict him on the court of public opinion.

Beyond a reasonable doubt. He has cuts on the back of his head, a bloody nose and the kid had marks on his knuckles.

End of story, that is beyond a reasonable doubt.

So the only question is, did he intentionally stalk the kid to attempt to provoke a fight? No one can get in his head, so I don't think we'll know. I will say that most people don't call the cops when they want to shoot someone, or get in an altercation with them. More doubt.

Lots of bad decisions were made. I think he'd have a much harder time I na wrongful death suit. I still think ultimately he'll walk on the cuts and his nose.

As I said, if these people want to get angry, change the laws concerning what constitutes self defence. It's very hard to have a clear cut self defence, because if he waits until he's getting his shit kicked in it may be too late.

And ps, you can't even defend yourself in canada, so that's a new concern for us all.
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The7even

07-15-2013, 06:05 AM

Or maybe Trayvon was a racist who called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker", as told by his girlfriend or whatever that landwhale's name was.

If Zimmerman used 'nigger' at any point in time, you'd all be over him, fuck off with your shitty ass double standards.

Again, Trayvon had 4 god damn minutes to go home AFTER Zimmerman lost sight of him. He didn't, he stayed and confronted Zimmerman. This is just another case of a pice of shit thug that got what he deserved but the media blew out of proportion and made a monster out of Zimmerman for ratings, ignoring the fact that thousands of black kids have fucking died in CHICAGO ALONE since 2012..
All murdered by other blacks. But hey, whatever takes us away from the real problem. Let's not address it, let's make a monster out of Zimmerman in the media before he's even tried and make threats against him via facebook, twitter and tumblr while using racial epitaths like "Crackers" "Whitey" , etc..

If you have common sense, you know Trayvon was hitting Zimmerman, as Zimmerman had the broken nose, bloody head and whatever else.

No way is he pounding away at Zimmerman and screaming "HELP HELP!"
Nice fantasy though.

And you all defend this dead moron without ever having to experience this ghetto shit culture that people who live here get to experience.

Whatever though, this cocksucker of a race baiting president will find a way to take away the attention from the NSA and send in the DOJ to investigate the Zimmerman case.. oh wait, he's already on it.

My favorite part about all of this is having idiots tell me "If Trayshit was white..."

Here you go.

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

or this one with the pic of the kid

http://themartialist.net/?p=306

The7even

07-15-2013, 06:20 AM

Also, more innocent "youth" being totally non racist and non confrontational.

Trayvon Martin: Los Angeles protesters block road - video | World news | guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2013/jul/15/trayvon-martin-los-angeles-protesters-video)

Remember, not racism !
These kids are the astronauts of tomorrow.

...

minoru_tanaka

07-15-2013, 06:34 AM

The7even, why are you so hung up on race? He stalked someone that was just walking and then shot him. Doesn't matter what race they are.

My favorite part about all of this is having idiots tell me "If Trayshit was white..."

Here you go.

Jury Finds Roderick Scott Not Guilty - Rochester (http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/)

or this one with the pic of the kid

Roderick Scott Trial: What?s Wrong with New York? | The Martialist (http://themartialist.net/?p=306)

Roderick Scott caught those kids breaking into cars and confronted them. That's suspicious. Someone walking down the street is not.

stewie

07-15-2013, 09:03 AM

The7even, why are you so hung up on race? He stalked someone that was just walking and then shot him. Doesn't matter what race they are.

Roderick Scott caught those kids breaking into cars and confronted them. That's suspicious. Someone walking down the street is not.

im kinda sitting in the same boat as the7even.

this had the race card pulled on it and blew it way the fuck outta proportion.

how many white/Asian/Mexican/black people have been killed in car jackings and street stick ups from someone of a different race...yet nothing is ever heard of those...just local news stations.

theres always stories of 14 year old kids breaking into peoples houses, robbing them and even killing them every now and then just so this kid can be part of some useless drug dealing gang. those stories don't make it past the town they live in. but its okay, hes just a misguided youth, surely his parents raising him had nothing to do with it.

fuck the race card. man A killed man B.

JaPoola

07-15-2013, 09:43 AM

If a black person would have killed this kid nobody would be talking about it.

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 10:50 AM

Or maybe Trayvon was a racist who called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker", as told by his girlfriend or whatever that landwhale's name was.

Who cares if Trayvon referred to him as a creepy cracker to his friend on the phone? what you should be able to glean from that is Zimmerman was clearly stalking Trayvon to the point that Trayvon noticed a creepy old guy following him that he had to tell someone about it.

If Zimmerman used 'nigger' at any point in time, you'd all be over him, fuck off with your shitty ass double standards. it wouldn't be a double standard because Zimmerman is the one following the kid..

Again, Trayvon had 4 god damn minutes to go home AFTER Zimmerman lost sight of him. how do you know Zimmerman lost sight of him? oh because of Zimmermans story that he stopped stalking a kid and went back to his car? :fuckthatshit:

Cut out the next portion of your remarks because it has absolutely nothing to do with Trayvon and Zimmermans encounter

If you have common sense, you know Trayvon was hitting Zimmerman, as Zimmerman had the broken nose, bloody head and whatever else. correct me if im wrong but i think it was noted that Trayvons knuckles didn't exhibit any injury or dna of zimmermans? regardless

just because you're winning a fight doesn't mean you started the fight.

No way is he pounding away at Zimmerman and screaming "HELP HELP!"
Nice fantasy though. except when he saw a gun...

And you all defend this dead moron without ever having to experience this ghetto shit culture that people who live here get to experience.
what does your experience with "ghetto shit culture" have to do with Trayvon Martin?? absolutely nothing except you're own hatred of it is profiling Trayvon Martin as such...

Whatever though, this cocksucker of a race baiting president will find a way to take away the attention from the NSA and send in the DOJ to investigate the Zimmerman case.. oh wait, he's already on it.

Doesn't have anything to do with the events... murder/death cases regardless of race gets a second look by the Federal government if the State fails to convict...

My favorite part about all of this is having idiots tell me "If Trayshit was white..."

Here you go.

Jury Finds Roderick Scott Not Guilty - Rochester (http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/)

or this one with the pic of the kid

Roderick Scott Trial: What?s Wrong with New York?$|$The Martialist (http://themartialist.net/?p=306)

What does that have to do with Zimmermans innocence or guilt? nothing.

im kinda sitting in the same boat as the7even.

this had the race card pulled on it and blew it way the fuck outta proportion. the public pulled the race card because Zimmerman wasn't even charged in the beginning for killing a teenager so the public yells and screams however they can to get the government to give this case a second look... imo if the public didn't do what they did this case would have been ignored.

theres always stories of 14 year old kids breaking into peoples houses, robbing them and even killing them every now and then just so this kid can be part of some useless drug dealing gang. those stories don't make it past the town they live in. but its okay, hes just a misguided youth, surely his parents raising him had nothing to do with it.
what's that have to do with Trayvon Martin? he wasn't a criminal all he was doing was walking home from the corner store.... :seriously:

fuck the race card. man A killed man B.

Agreed but the public felt they had to use it to get the government to give this case a second look since it was dismissed at the beginning and it took 3 months and 2million petition signatures and a media frenzy to get the case reopened so unfortunately it seems that the race card had to be used 'Merica is still 'Merikuh

dhari

07-15-2013, 11:00 AM

fuck the race card. man A killed man B.

man A killed child

JaPoola

07-15-2013, 11:34 AM

man A killed child

A "child" would not start a fight with someone double his age, never mind beating that person into the ground.

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 12:04 PM

A "child" would not start a fight with someone double his age, never mind beating that person into the ground.

agreed so Zimmerman must have started it you agree! :troll:

dinosaur

07-15-2013, 12:20 PM

Zimmerman trial juror who doesn?t like to read to sign book deal, called Trayvon a ?boy of colour? | Globalnews.ca (http://globalnews.ca/news/718644/zimmerman-trial-juror-who-doesnt-like-to-read-to-sign-book-deal-called-trayvon-a-boy-of-colour/?utm_source=facebook-twitter&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=community)

:rukidding:

MoBettah

07-15-2013, 12:36 PM

man A killed child

Lol a child. How many 17 year olds consider themselves children?

If the situation was reversed and Trayvon killed Zimmerman, I wouldn't be surprised if the judicial system tried him as an adult.

westopher

07-15-2013, 12:36 PM

Guess what Trayshit did?

You really feel the need to call a dead 17 year old "Trayshit?" Wether your words had any validity or not, its all out the window when you speak like such a fucking moron. Its not self defense if you make the first aggressive contact, and if zimmerman wasn't accosting Trayvon to begin with, no one would be dead.

stewie

07-15-2013, 12:38 PM

Lol a child. How many 17 year olds consider themselves children?

If the situation was reversed and Trayvon killed Zimmerman, I wouldn't be surprised if the judicial system tried him as an adult.

I also bet that if treyvon was a few months older (18 years old) nobody would give a shit either.

-edited for an example I know

2 grade 12 students get into a fight, what happens? they get an in-school suspension for 3 days?

now, 2 grade 12 students fight, ones 17, ones 18, now what happens? one gets assault on a minor and cuffed and left with a nice little criminal record

dlo

07-15-2013, 12:40 PM

the 7even sounds like a closet racist lol

westopher

07-15-2013, 12:49 PM

I understand he has an issue with white people always being made out to be the "racist" ones, and anyone can slander white people with little to no repercussions. I agree thats bullshit, however its not really relevant to the real matter at hand here.

Nlkko

07-15-2013, 01:06 PM

You really feel the need to call a dead 17 year old "Trayshit?" Wether your words had any validity or not, its all out the window when you speak like such a fucking moron. Its not self defense if you make the first aggressive contact, and if zimmerman wasn't accosting Trayvon to begin with, no one would be dead.

See himself as "non-confrontational" but keep calling a dead kid "Trayshit". :fuckthatshit:
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StylinRed

07-15-2013, 01:25 PM

Lol a child. How many 17 year olds consider themselves children?

irrelevant

14yr olds think their grown ups too so do 11yr olds etc.

hell you cant even drink til ur 21 in the states

MoBettah

07-15-2013, 01:33 PM

irrelevant

14yr olds think their grown ups too so do 11yr olds etc.

In the US it's not unusual 14 year olds get tried as adults. Relevant.

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 02:08 PM

In the US it's not unusual 14 year olds get tried as adults. Relevant.

12yr olds too Florida Boy, 12, Charged as an Adult in Brother's Murder | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/19/boy-12-charged-with-murder-as-adult-in-florida/)

and iirc a 9yr old was charged as an adult (i may be wrong though cant seem to google it) edit nope looks like the youngest as of 2011 is an 11yr old boy tried as an adult http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/25/youngest-american-life-without-parole/ (only country in the world ever to do so and the USA is 1 of 2 countries in the world to not recognize rights of children somalia being the other)

but its irrelevant if they charge children as adults for their crimes, they're exceptions to the rule, it doesn't change the fact that Trayvon is a child who didn't commit a crime
and your comment i was replying to you were speaking of how old children feel they are

The7even

07-15-2013, 02:27 PM

And thus the problem with the U.S.

Anything you say against a black person is instantly classified as racist.
Don't you dare mention statistics and facts, that shit is racist.

Who cares if Trayvon referred to him as a creepy cracker to his friend on the phone? what you should be able to glean from that is Zimmerman was clearly stalking Trayvon to the point that Trayvon noticed a creepy old guy following him that he had to tell someone about it.

Tell me something, if Zimmerman called him a nigger, would you be defending that?
No you wouldn't, your double standards are showing, buddy.

I know I would never hear the words "Who cares if Zimmerman referred to him as a nigger".

It's not stalking by the way. It's called following somebody to report their location to the dispatcher. It's that simple. It takes quite a while to be classified as following.
Also, let's say he did follow him for a few minutes (not true) - why didn't he just fuckign shoot him right there?

And give me a break will you, I fucking LOVE how you downplay the racism in this.. "He had to tell someone about it". I know he did, that doesn't mean he has to call him a cracker.

Remember kids, it's not racism if it's against whites.
Pathetic.

it wouldn't be a double standard because Zimmerman is the one following the kid..
So what you're saying is, if a black guy hits me, I can call him a nigger because he hit me first.. he's the one who hit me.
That seems to be your logic.

how do you know Zimmerman lost sight of him? oh because of Zimmermans story that he stopped stalking a kid and went back to his car?
LOL REDDIT MEMES MOM AM I FUNNY YET XD XD

I know so because of the 9-11 call, unlike you, I watched every part of the trial.

correct me if im wrong but i think it was noted that Trayvons knuckles didn't exhibit any injury or dna of zimmermans? regardless

just because you're winning a fight doesn't mean you started the fight.

So Zimmerman want's to kill Trayvon with his gun.. but doesn't do it, comes up close, wants to use the gun, but then jumps on trayvon because he doesn't want to use the gun..?? and then end's up getting his ass kicked? Wow, nice story, you should contact Al Sharpton and his cronies, they might want to make this into a movie.

except when he saw a gun...
So he's calling for help for about 20 seconds after he sees the gun?

WUT?

:lol

what does your experience with "ghetto shit culture" have to do with Trayvon Martin?? absolutely nothing except you're own hatred of it is profiling Trayvon Martin as such...

Evolution. When you see a lion, do you suspect that you can reason with it not to eat you?

If I see, over and over, thugs and ghetto kids robbing, shooting, stealing, I'm going to eventually suspect people who look like them to be dangerous.

Do I have to tell you the THOUSANDS OF KIDS that die in CHICAGO ALONE, every year?

You don't see 2% of that in ALL OF CANADA.

But yeah, sure, I'll take your word for it..

What does that have to do with Zimmermans innocence or guilt? nothing.

But it does. Because they're now rioting and calling for justice.
When the same thing happened, and the roles were reversed, no one said a word.

Nice try at ignoring the issue though.

what's that have to do with Trayvon Martin? he wasn't a criminal all he was doing was walking home from the corner store....

I know that, but you don't KNOW that. Neither did Zimmerman. You can say all you want know, but he didn't know who Trayvon was, so he called it in. That's not a crime. Trayvon was a hoodlum and payed with his life. Good.

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 02:46 PM

Tell me something, if Zimmerman called him a nigger, would you be defending that?
No you wouldn't, your double standards are showing, buddy. if Zimmerman was being followed by Trayvon I wouldn't care how he referred to Trayvon to his buddy on the phone, sure i may classify him as a racist if i heard it but id understand he was just talking to his buddy on the phone about a stalker

It's not stalking by the way. It's called following somebody to report their location to the dispatcher. It's that simple. It takes quite a while to be classified as following.
Also, let's say he did follow him for a few minutes (not true) - why didn't he just fuckign shoot him right there?
Criminal Harassment typically requires a period of time to be classified as such but not always and if there is a imminent threat of violence it can be considered stalking (which is why i classify Zimmermans antics as such)

And give me a break will you, I fucking LOVE how you downplay the racism in this.. "He had to tell someone about it". I know he did, that doesn't mean he has to call him a cracker.
Yes Im downplaying it because its not fucking relevant at all to this case imo...he didn't call out to Zimmerman "Hey Cracker stop following me" he told his friend over the phone that some creepy cracker was following him to me that's like saying "fucking pedo" since he's simply expressing to his friend his level of unease
if you want to argue about the correctness of using the term 'cracker' in this case then you should really be concentrating on other things like profiling a black kid as a criminal and shooting a kid in the chest that seems much more important to me than some kids private conversation with his friend over the phone

So what you're saying is, if a black guy hits me, I can call him a nigger because he hit me first.. he's the one who hit me.
That seems to be your logic.

haha wow...is this 7even or did his idiot kid relative get on his account? because 7even used to display a much higher level of intelligence....

LOL REDDIT MEMES MOM AM I FUNNY YET XD XD

I know so because of the 9-11 call, unlike you, I watched every part of the trial.

what???

So Zimmerman want's to kill Trayvon with his gun.. but doesn't do it, comes up close, wants to use the gun, but then jumps on trayvon because he doesn't want to use the gun..?? and then end's up getting his ass kicked? Wow, nice story, you should contact Al Sharpton and his cronies, they might want to make this into a movie.

who said he wanted to kill him at the beginning? i believe he wanted to fuck with Trayvon from the very start and was the aggressor and when he got his ass handed to him he was like fuck this pow pow

So he's calling for help for about 20 seconds after he sees the gun?

WUT?

:lol

If you believe the story Zimmerman and friend claimed that Trayvon tried grabbing the gun so i imagine he was screaming for help while defending himself and then trying to grab the gun away from Zimmerman

Evolution. When you see a lion, do you suspect that you can reason with it not to eat you?

If I see, over and over, thugs and ghetto kids robbing, shooting, stealing, I'm going to eventually suspect people who look like them to be dangerous.

Do I have to tell you the THOUSANDS OF KIDS that die in CHICAGO ALONE, every year?

you're trying to validate your racism....:rofl:

I know that, but you don't KNOW that. Neither did Zimmerman. You can say all you want know, but he didn't know who Trayvon was, so he called it in. That's not a crime. Trayvon was a hoodlum and payed with his life. Good.

Calling it in isn't a crime no... but following the kid and doing who knows what? is

you're taking Zimmermans side of the story word for word... i can't and i highly doubt his story due to discrepancies and the fact he killed someone

and i'll repeat given whats required for a Manslaughter conviction, Zimmerman should have been convicted of it

stewie

07-15-2013, 03:02 PM

If you believe the story Zimmerman and friend claimed that Trayvon tried grabbing the gun so i imagine he was screaming for help while defending himself and then trying to grab the gun away from Zimmerman

put yourself in his shoes, I guarantee that you'd do 1 of 2 things, fight or flight, try to get the gun, or run as fast as you can. in his case, it seemed as if he tried to fight only causing Zimmerman to be scared for his own life. maybe he thought "oh fuck, if this guy gets the gun, hes def going to shoot me, I better shoot him before he shoots me out of defense". pathetic story I know, but oh well. life aint fair for some

you're trying to validate your racism....

I wouldn't say that's racism so much as stereotyping...

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 03:07 PM

put yourself in his shoes, I guarantee that you'd do 1 of 2 things, fight or flight, try to get the gun, or run as fast as you can. in his case, it seemed as if he tried to fight only causing Zimmerman to be scared for his own life. maybe he thought "oh fuck, if this guy gets the gun, hes def going to shoot me, I better shoot him before he shoots me out of defense". pathetic story I know, but oh well. life aint fair for some

Yes i can understand that absolutely and given the rest of the circumstances i didn't think 2nd degree murder would have stuck; but since, imo, that Zimmerman is the aggressor here and he did kill someone, he should and can be found guilty of Manslaughter

I wouldn't say that's racism so much as stereotyping...

racism, profiling, stereotyping, bigotry whatever you'd like to call it ;)

Ronin

07-15-2013, 03:35 PM

Ah whatever. No one will remember this in a month anyways.

Hey, what was that last thing that everyone was all angry about again?

parm104

07-15-2013, 05:18 PM

Ah whatever. No one will remember this in a month anyways.

Hey, what was that last thing that everyone was all angry about again?

OJ Simpson and BC Ferries lol

adambomb

07-15-2013, 05:21 PM

:werd: Any love for Snoop Dogg??

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Iceman_2K

07-15-2013, 05:46 PM

If he just stayed in the car, none of this would be happening. Now he's gonna get capped in the head the minute he gets out in the public.

dangonay

07-15-2013, 06:00 PM

^ Nah. He'll get sued in a civil court, be found liable, and be paying $$$ for the rest of his life. Sort of like OJ.

I hope they don't waste taxpayer money making this a civil rights case.

vafanculo

07-15-2013, 06:06 PM

Just curious.. Haven't really followed this. Was trayvon made out to be an innocent good kid in the media? What was he revealed to be? Good kid or thug?
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Iceman_2K

07-15-2013, 06:26 PM

They painted him to be a thug so that the injuries to George could be explained.

The7even

07-15-2013, 09:39 PM

They painted him to be a thug so that the injuries to George could be explained.

Pro tip: he was a thug.

They painted Zimmerman as some cop wannabe so they could have a case and trial. It failed.

Also, Zimmerman was involved in his community, he has the right to observe and report.

Also, StylinRed

i believe he wanted to fuck with Trayvon

So the logical thing to do is call non emergency and proove you wanted to fuck with him?

Do you see your shitty logic falling apart? Or are you just blind?

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 10:08 PM

really? reporting a kid to police to get the police hassling a kid isn't fucking with someone??? does that wool around the eyes get any thicker? even if i were to believe Georges story that he stopped stalking the kid when told to (i don't believe this as i've said before), its still fucking with him the desire to do so is evident even if you were to ignore his comments about "they're always getting away"

Anderson Cooper is interviewing a Juror (there's a repeat on cnn right now) and wow now i know why they found him not guilty

MindBomber

07-15-2013, 10:13 PM

Anderson Cooper is interviewing a Juror (there's a repeat on cnn right now) and wow now i know why they found him not guilty

could you elaborate on this?

The7even

07-15-2013, 10:14 PM

really? reporting a kid to police to get the police hassling a kid isn't fucking with someone??? does that wool around the eyes get any thicker? even if i were to believe Georges story that he stopped stalking the kid when told to, its still fucking with him

Anderson Cooper is interviewing a Juror (there's a repeat on cnn right now) and wow now i know why they found him not guilty

I Thanked you for that display of maximum irony.

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 10:18 PM

could you elaborate on this?

just her reasoning thus far it's like im listening to the 7even talk ;) her tone especially regarding the prosecution is that of seeing the prosecution simply as trying to find Zimmerman guilty anyway they can and that the defense and their witnesses are very truthful (she sounds biased she's setup two adversaries in her head where one is truthful and the other will go to any means to win)

Ronin

07-15-2013, 10:25 PM

^ Nah. He'll get sued in a civil court, be found liable, and be paying $$$ for the rest of his life. Sort of like OJ.

I hope they don't waste taxpayer money making this a civil rights case.

Dude, there are far bigger wastes of taxpayer money in the States.

And it isn't our money. Who cares? It's just Florida. That place is the asshole of 'MURIKA anyways.

stewie

07-15-2013, 10:44 PM

well, theres only one thing to do, lets have security cameras installed on top of every street lamp in the country. give the states a live feed 24 hours a day. something happens outdoors, they just rewind the tapes and see whos to blame from video footage, not someone's testimony.

...but then everyone would bitch about big brother spying on them lol

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 10:55 PM

juror (paraphrasing here somewhat)>
i think he lied and embellished his story
he shouldn't have gotten out of his car
i think he was the aggressor initially but then the roles reversed
i think he learned his lesson
that's why George isn't guilty (george, not Mr. Zimmerman)
i think the defense were truthful and honest and the prosecution just wanted you to believe them

anderson> do you think Zimmerman should have his gun back would you be fine with him living next to you acting as a neighbourhood watch? .................................................. ..........................................uh...uhh h....uh...............as long as he acted responsibily and i think from now on he would be the most responsible person with a gun....
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westopher

07-15-2013, 11:01 PM

you're trying to validate your racism....:rofl:

Just in case you didn't see it 7even e11ven.
Everyone else does.

Shades

07-15-2013, 11:02 PM

just her reasoning thus far it's like im listening to the 7even talk ;) her tone especially regarding the prosecution is that of seeing the prosecution simply as trying to find Zimmerman guilty anyway they can and that the defense and their witnesses are very truthful (she sounds biased she's setup two adversaries in her head where one is truthful and the other will go to any means to win)

Furthermore, it's as if she and the other jurors knew Zimmerman was wrong but because he had good intentions, what had happen can be forgiven. I didn't know they rewarded good tries. That's fucked up.

She was totally okay with Zimmerman bringing a gun to a fist fight because it was his right.

When questioned by Cooper as to whether she thought Zimmerman was a 'wanna be cop' she didn't think that. But when questioned whether she would be okay with Zimmerman being part of her neighborhood watch she took a long pause before replying if he didn't go too far. She pretty much admitted Zimmerman messed up.

When asked if she would be worried that Zimmerman got his gun back she said not at all as she feels he has learnt his lesson. WTF!

StylinRed

07-15-2013, 11:06 PM

^^^ exactly!

It's fine for her to interpret the evidence given to her how she wants, that's her job as a juror but my god she was clearly absolutely sided in support of Zimmerman

the two lawyers Anderson just spoke to after the interview seemed pretty surprised about this too

sigh so frustrating

Shades

07-15-2013, 11:10 PM

And when you thought George was a winner wait till you meet his brother:

Zimmerman Brother Trashes Trayvon Martin: He Wanted Guns and Drugs - YouTube

I've never heard the host raise his voice like this before.

The7even

07-16-2013, 12:25 AM

Just in case you didn't see it 7even e11ven.
Everyone else does.

Oh I saw it.

But that's the problem here isn't it.
As soon as anything is pointed out against a black person, here comes to sensitivity police.
"You're so RAYCIS!"

The truth is this, FAIL me all you want, you won't change the truth.

-Zimmerman was attacked.

-He was the one screaming for help.

-Traytray was a racist.

-Zimmerman has the right to keep a look out in his neighborhood as he is a neighborhood watch guy.

-Took care of his community.

-Provided victims of robbery with locks that he bought with his own money.

-Tutored a black kid for over a year.

-Before the Trayvon Martin shooting even took place, George Zimmerman was one of the few non-black people that helped protest the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a Sanford police officer that was left unpunished.
Google it.

-Frank Taaffe, Zimmermans neighboor; We had eight burglaries in our neighborhood all perpetrated by young black males in the 15 months prior to Trayvon being shot. It would have been nine – there would have been nine, but George Zimmerman through his efforts of being a neighborhood watch captain helped stop one in progress…. All of the perpetrators of the burglaries, the prior burglaries, were young black males.

Thus he assumed Trayvon might have been one of them and called non emergency.
Nothing wrong with that.
It is human nature assume that if what his neighboor said was true, then anybody would do a double take on a young black person walking through the neighborhood. If you deny this, you are denying the most basic instict that was ingrained in you for survival.
Yeah, it can be used for stereotyping, but it can also be used to do good.
You can try to be politically correct all you like, but this is the truth.

The black community here lacks accountability, they ignore the thousands of blacks that die within their own communities by the hands of other blacks. They live by a no snitch code that further prevents that community from being lifted out of poverty.
No one even mentions these deaths. Most of them, if they get any airtime, get 30 second funerals. 15 that mentions them being shot and 15s of their family members crying. That's it. Move on. And life continues.
The violence spreads to other communities, yet no one talks about it.
Other black kids that want to learn and study and move up are killed, harrassed and bullied into either the gang life style or death.
If you speak up, you're labeled a snitch and you die.
No one talks about this and thus the cycle continues, as always, as usual.
Kid's grow up without fathers, sometimes even mothers and become hoodlums, raised by the street without any kind of conduct, responsibility or future and this is ignored. No one gives a shit. But if you EVER mention it, you're a racist.

Sorry Mr. I live in a comfortable and non ghetto dominated area of Canda, you're wrong and have no clue about what goes on here.
I live in Chicago and it's sad to see, but it is the truth.

"Oh the7even, you so raycis!"
Nah, Africans from Ethi-fucking-opia, as soon as they land they're enrolling into college and 2 - 4 years later, they're teachers, cops, businessmen, whatever have you.
Same with all immigrants from all over the world, black, white, asian, hispanic, all of them immediately push through and make something of them selves..
But the black children, men and women here.. they fight tooth and nail to stay where they're at.

Of course, there are a lot of obstacles holding some of them there, but the fact is, in order to conquer racism and poverty, they first have to conquer them selves. And that isn't happening, because they, and YOU, yes you.. are fighting to keep them there.. by simply ignoring all of it and calling anyone who mentions it a racist.

"you so racist lol" is pretty fucking easy way out of the real problem. But by all means, believe what you like.

rsx

07-16-2013, 01:02 AM

fuck i hate the young turks. i just want to watch the video for god's sakes.

parm104

07-16-2013, 01:39 AM

Oh I saw it.

The truth is this, FAIL me all you want, you won't change the truth.

-Zimmerman was attacked.

-He was the one screaming for help.

-Traytray was a racist.

-Zimmerman has the right to keep a look out in his neighborhood as he is a neighborhood watch guy.

-Took care of his community.

-Provided victims of robbery with locks that he bought with his own money.

-Tutored a black kid for over a year.

-Before the Trayvon Martin shooting even took place, George Zimmerman was one of the few non-black people that helped protest the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a Sanford police officer that was left unpunished.
Google it.

Thus he assumed Trayvon might have been one of them and called non emergency.

All this extra shit you're getting into is really irrelevant when it comes to this case at hand. It simply does not matter. The only issue is/was is whether Zimmerman honestly felt that he was in danger of losing his life...Do you think he thought he was legitimately going to lose his life in the hands of a child? He had one hit to the ground caused by Martin, do you honestly think a reasonable person would think they were going to die from a fist fight with a 17 year old kid? The guy had a gun...he was prepared for the worst case scenario...What would he have done if he didn't have the gun? How would he have escaped the wrath of 17 year old Martin? He wouldn't have been able to shoot himself out of it...you think he would've been killed by Martin?

Shorn

07-16-2013, 01:57 AM

You really feel the need to call a dead 17 year old "Trayshit?" Wether your words had any validity or not, its all out the window when you speak like such a fucking moron. Its not self defense if you make the first aggressive contact, and if zimmerman wasn't accosting Trayvon to begin with, no one would be dead.

didn't follow the case enough to comment.

but yea dude you seem like a giant prick to call a dead kid 'trayshit'. totally unnecessary to prove your point. are you 17 too?

The7even

07-16-2013, 06:09 AM

All this extra shit you're getting into is really irrelevant when it comes to this case at hand. It simply does not matter. The only issue is/was is whether Zimmerman honestly felt that he was in danger of losing his life...Do you think he thought he was legitimately going to lose his life in the hands of a child? He had one hit to the ground caused by Martin, do you honestly think a reasonable person would think they were going to die from a fist fight with a 17 year old kid? The guy had a gun...he was prepared for the worst case scenario...What would he have done if he didn't have the gun? How would he have escaped the wrath of 17 year old Martin? He wouldn't have been able to shoot himself out of it...you think he would've been killed by Martin?

"in the hands of a child"

He was 17...a few shy away from 18.

You guys really are eating up all the things the media has fed to you.
What really matters is that the media tried and found Zimmerman guily before the trial even started.. and you're all eating it up.

Either way, I'm out of this convo. I cannot reason with people who have their minds already made up a long time ago, like the media.

I watched the whole trial, I'm sure you didn't, so there's that.
But sure, you're all right.

Baby tray tray was only a fetus, and the soul sucking white hispanic Warlock, Zimmerman, stalked him and consumed his soul.

http://i.imgur.com/ziWnjEA.png?1

George Zimmerman Is Not An Enemy Of Black People, But I Know Who Is! - YouTube
inb4 HURRRR NOTHIGN ELSE MATTERS ONLY WHAT MEDIA FED ME MATTERS !

Good day, sheep.

parm104

07-16-2013, 06:35 AM

"in the hands of a child"

He was 17...a few shy away from 18.

You guys really are eating up all the things the media has fed to you.
What really matters is that the media tried and found Zimmerman guily before the trial even started.. and you're all eating it up.

Either way, I'm out of this convo. I cannot reason with people who have their minds already made up a long time ago, like the media.

LOL yea dude, you win. You've obviously become an overnight expert and in fact are the only expert in the entire world. Only YOU have the power to know what really happened since you were there that night and of course none of your knowledge is from the media...

You've watched the whole trial...yea we get it...you've said that 100x already. Congratulations, I'm glad you're the only one in America who had access to the TV feed where the trial was shown. Of course, legal knowledge has NOTHING to do with this case and you received your law degree from the television and are the ultimate expert in legal cases involving stand your ground.

Fact of the matter is, it's about what the law is and how the law is applied and THAT is the only thing that matters. You're obviously too stupid and narrow minded to respond to anything I posted earlier and have a remotely intelligent conversation. Rather than touching on ANYTHING I've said you jump to this media bullshit, assuming that EVERYONE here is informed by the media and solely the media. You actually remind me of CharlesinCharge right now...Curious to know if you have a Canadian or American education...if one at all!?

Congratulations on the win...I guess this thread can go on now without your expertise.

HansonBoy

07-16-2013, 07:03 AM

I watched most of the trial, thanks to boring morning shifts. The prosecution did a very poor job, they could not prove intent, they could not prove that Zimmerman had a depraved state of mind and/or ill will towards Trayvon before the shot, because that one line "those f***ing punks always get away" was not enough, it was more frustration than racial hatred.

I don't think George Zimmerman is a murderer. However, I am genuinely surprised that he got out of manslaughter. The fact is that the kid would still be alive if Zimmerman had not actively sought him out. He had no obligation to do it. Police dispatch told him he did not have to. His duty ended when he called it in, the police were coming and he even gave them a place to meet up with him. Instead he decided to play cop.

Zimmerman had a history of profiling blacks. Possibly because most or all burglary suspects in that area were black, this I do not know. But he incorrectly profiled Martin and as a result, a life was lost. I can't see how it isn't manslaughter, unless...

The jury took Zimmerman's story as completely accurate. That Trayvon Martin ran off, then hid in some bushes and maliciously attacked him, and beat him to the point where he feared for his life. (injuries were not consistent with his claims of head being slammed into concrete however)

I can acknowledge that Trayvon Martin did in fact strike him, but two things stand out for me: 1.) there was a brief conversation before the altercation, at least two lines of dialogue seem to be confirmed (why are you following me/what are you talking about). This means that it wasn't a total surprise attack, although the punch could have happened midway in the conversation. 2.) Trayvon Martin was clearly scared of Zimmerman, as reflected in his conversation with Rachel Jeantel. Labeling Zimmerman as a "creepy a$$ kracka" may contain a racial slur, but IMO at the time it was used, it was merely to describe Zimmerman rather than hate. So if Trayvon was scared of his pursuer, why attack him unless it was meant as a preemtive strike? Did George say something to provoke the attack? Did he reach for his gun during the convo?

Unfortunately there is not enough evidence or eyewitnesses to tell us the true story in those 4-8 minutes after Trayvon ran off and George got out of his car in pursuit. The most important witness for the defense was pretty adamant he saw Trayvon on top throwing downward strikes, which is pretty damning testimony. Prosecution's star witness, Rachel Jeantel, showed inconsistency and inaccuracy, and even admitted that she didn't take one of her interviews seriously.

Prosecution failed, Zimmerman walks free and is innocent in the eyes of the law, and while he may have won the case, he will have to live with the fact that he killed an unarmed teenager who was, at worst, simply looking to get high, and that the entire incident could have been easily avoided.

adambomb

07-16-2013, 07:05 AM

Fact of the matter is, it's about what the law is and how the law is applied and THAT is the only thing that matters.

True that.

A jury of his peers found George Zimmerman 100% not guilty. End of Story. :wgaf:

Labeling Zimmerman as a "creepy a$$ kracka" may contain a racial slur, but IMO at the time it was used, it was merely to describe Zimmerman rather than hate.

If I reference to someone as that super-smart chink in my math class. Or that stanky hindu chemistry major. Is that cool? :confused:

parm104

07-16-2013, 07:29 AM

True that.

A jury of his peers found George Zimmerman 100% not guilty. End of Story. :wgaf:

Sorry that I'm not sorry about your lack of knowledge of how the American Legal System works...It's not "end of story" as he could be retried still...and there's no such thing as "100%" not guilty, only 100% guilty..He could've very well been 1% not-guilty in the eyes of the jurors and still gotten off.

Sid Vicious

07-16-2013, 08:03 AM

Good day, sheep.

shine some knowledge on us unenlightened sheeple...hahahaha nah jk that diatribe was pointless and asinine

westopher

07-16-2013, 08:21 AM

True that.

A jury of his peers found George Zimmerman 100% not guilty. End of Story. :wgaf:

If I reference to someone as that super-smart chink in my math class. Or that stanky hindu chemistry major. Is that cool? :confused:
Should you get murdered for it? Wether he called him a cracker or a Beaner or a fucking jewbag is irrelevant to the case. I really don't understand why anyone thinks what he called Zimmerman changes what should have been the outcome of the situation or the case.
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predom

07-16-2013, 08:43 AM

Another thug off the streets, thanks to a vigilant neighbour.

When tried by a jury of his peers, he was deemed not guilty.

I'd be happy to have him watching my block.
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adambomb

07-16-2013, 08:56 AM

:h5:

adambomb

07-16-2013, 08:59 AM

Sorry that I'm not sorry about your lack of knowledge of how the American Legal System works...It's not "end of story" as he could be retried still...and there's no such thing as "100%" not guilty, only 100% guilty..He could've very well been 1% not-guilty in the eyes of the jurors and still gotten off.

You're probably right, it isn't over yet. Like dangonay mentioned, there could be a civil suit on the way. Until then, like OJ, Zimmerman is a free man. Free to book/movie deals, HBO specials, Fox News exclusives.

Should you get murdered for it? Wether he called him a cracker or a Beaner or a fucking jewbag is irrelevant to the case. I really don't understand why anyone thinks what he called Zimmerman changes what should have been the outcome of the situation or the case.
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I just wanted people to understand that Trayvon is as much racist as Zimmerman is or people are making him out to be. You have to admit, the media did a pretty good job at making it seem like a young Barack Obama was killed because the president said..."If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon." :squint:

stewie

07-16-2013, 09:07 AM

Protests continue in California over Zimmerman's acquittal in Trayvon Martin shooting (http://www.theprovince.com/news/Protests+continue+California+over+Zimmerman+acquit tal+Trayvon/8666099/story.html)

LOS ANGELES — Protesters ran through Los Angeles streets Monday night, breaking windows, attacking people on sidewalks and at one point raiding a Wal-Mart store, while others blocked a major freeway in the San Francisco Bay Area in the third night of demonstrations in California over George Zimmerman's Florida acquittal in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

Thirteen people were arrested after multiple acts of vandalism and several assaults in Los Angeles's Crenshaw District, Mayor Eric Garcetti and Police Chief Charlie Beck said at a news conference.

Garcetti and Beck didn't elaborate on the assaults or any injuries, but at least one man could be seen in the street with a head injury.

More than 300 officers were called to the scene and were at first slow to directly engage protesters in an attempt to allow a peaceful end to the demonstration, Beck said. But the chief said police would take a much stricter posture in the coming nights.

"This will not be allowed to continue," Beck said.

Several hundred mostly peaceful protesters gathered Monday night at Leimert Park southwest of downtown L.A., many of them chanting, praying and singing.

But a smaller group of between 100 and 150 people splintered off and began blocking traffic on nearby Crenshaw Boulevard, some of them jumping on cars and breaking windows at liquor stores and fast food outlets.

Several protesters ran into a Wal-Mart store, where they knocked down displays before store security chased them out, and police began guarding the door.

Tonya Williams was shopping with her daughter when the protesters burst in and security briefly locked down the store.

"We thought we were going to be stuck in there," Williams said. "We saw the merchandise all thrown around. They had pulled the rack down, and there was merchandise all over the floor."

TV news helicopters showed some people kicking and punching others along the street, including two people sitting on a bus bench.

Police declared the gathering an unlawful assembly about three hours after it began, and most of the crowd left the street.

Garcetti, who returned early from an East Coast trip because of the demonstrations, praised the "overwhelming majority" who protested peacefully.

"We are a better city than what we have seen tonight in the hands of a few people," the mayor said.

In Oakland, dozens of demonstrators briefly blocked all lanes of Interstate 880 at the tail end of rush hour, stopping traffic in both directions for several minutes before lanes were cleared by authorities. Several protesters laid their bicycles on the ground in front of stopped cars.

"You've got to go. You will go to jail," one police officer shouted at demonstrators who were blocking traffic, the Oakland Tribune reported. However, police decided not to make arrests as the marchers, chanting "Justice for Trayvon Martin," were directed back to surface streets.

Later, another group tried to march up the onramp to Interstate 580 before being turned away by Oakland police and California Highway Patrol officers.

The freeway protesters broke off from a larger group organized via social media that gathered at Oakland City Hall about an hour earlier.

More than a half-dozen people were arrested on charges of vandalism and assault, both felony and misdemeanour, Oakland police spokeswoman Johnna Watson said.

Over the weekend, demonstrators in Oakland and Los Angeles blocked traffic and clashed with police in protests over a Florida jury's acquittal of neighbourhood watch volunteer Zimmerman in the shooting death of the unarmed black teenager.

Police shot beanbag rounds and arrested six people — including one on suspicion of assaulting an officer — while breaking up relatively small demonstrations before dawn.

No injuries were reported to either demonstrators or officers.

Most demonstrations around the state were peaceful.

Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer sent a letter Monday to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder supporting the Justice Department decision to review the case to determine whether Martin's civil rights were violated.

"I respect the fact that the jury has spoken ... but I don't think this should be the last word," Boxer wrote in the letter.

its getting pathetic now, people are being arrested for assault and looting stores over this one fucking story...give me a break...these people are no better than Zimmerman.

and just for shits n giggles since I was watching this the other day
"Oh the7even, you so raycis!"
Nah, Africans from Ethi-fucking-opia, as soon as they land they're enrolling into college and 2 - 4 years later, they're teachers, cops, businessmen, whatever have you.
Same with all immigrants from all over the world, black, white, asian, hispanic, all of them immediately push through and make something of them selves..
But the black children, men and women here.. they fight tooth and nail to stay where they're at.

American History X Interview - YouTube

Happy

07-16-2013, 09:15 AM

mikemhg

07-16-2013, 09:25 AM

I'm pretty shocked Zimmerman walks off scott free, let's be real here, there is a serious racial issue in the American Justice system, this case notwithstanding. Looking at the data it is impossible to deny the fact that blacks are charged with crimes and have a higher incarceration rate than white offenders. That is simply truth here, it's a problem that needs to be addressed, this case only strokes the fire.

While I don't believe Zimmerman is a murderer, he should have received a sentence of Manslaughter, I have no doubt such case would end with that result here in Canada. Zimmerman chose to bring his gun and follow Trayvon, this was a confrontation of fists against a pistol, one man died in the process. Is it fair that a family loses a son (who is innocent of any wrongdoing) and yet Zimmerman walks away as a free man, without even a criminal record to show for it? I'm sorry, but being a scared pussy is not a viable defense. Very disappointing verdict, especially when comparing the case of Marissa Alexandra (also in Florida). Where this woman (who happens to be black), fired off a warning shot in her house to warn off her abusive boyfriend. Her boyfriend was not hit by the bullet, yet the state denied her self-defense claim, and she was convicted and sentences to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander case in spotlight after Zimmerman trial - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2013/07/15/6030be5a-ed5c-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_story.html)

This is what makes people get so angry at this case, the rules of law seem to apply very different from one group of people to another. That isn't right, you can't have a fair and just legal system if rules apply different to those of different race or gender. This truth has to be addressed in the US, the Zimmerman verdict is a small distraction from the overall bigger issue here.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't want to be Zimmerman right now, his life is going to suck pretty badly for the foreseeable future.

stewie

07-16-2013, 09:32 AM

This is the part that gets me too. I don't understand how a 250 pound man with a gun would be scared of a 140 pound teenager that has a bag of skittles.

simple.

it was dark out. hes no clue what the kid has on him. its not like the kid had a fucking lit up 10ft billboard over his head with a giant arrow pointing to his pockets saying "skittles!!!"

with me walking down east hastings/main street at 2am, even I feel sketched out when a little 130lb junkie walks past me...I don't know if the guys got a knife and willing to stab someone for their wallet just so they can get their fix. I could easily take the guy if he were to attack me, but for that brief 3-4 seconds during the attack, id be having a million things running through my mind and I would do anything to get him off/away from me.

if this case was the other way around, Zimmerman was black, and treyvon was Spanish or whatever it is Zimmerman is, you'd see black people all over America with signs saying "another brotha down" and "free Zimmerman" etc etc. from personal experience what I see, its as if the black community look out for the black community, doesn't matter how wrong they are, in their minds, they're innocent. just like the commercial drive area is an Italian community...they look out for them selves and help each other out....that gentrification bullshit, they're all east van people sticking together trying to get their stupid points out, the old topic of full Asian signs in Richmond, seemed as if 80% of the people who said they didn't care were Asian as it didn't affect them at all.

Happy

07-16-2013, 09:45 AM

with me walking down east hastings/main street at 2am, even I feel sketched out when a little 130lb junkie walks past me...I don't know if the guys got a knife and willing to stab someone for their wallet just so they can get their fix. I could easily take the guy if he were to attack me, but for that brief 3-4 seconds during the attack, id be having a million things running through my mind and I would do anything to get him off/away from me.

Yeah... you're comparing a junkie to a harmless teenager.

So if you were Zimmerman and that junkie was Trayvon. You think you'd go up to him and try to confront him? making him aggravated to attack you?

No you wouldn't. You'd keep walking past the junkie hoping no confrontation happens.

If Zimmerman was scared for his life, why would he go up to Trayvon to initiate the first point of contact with him? Why couldn't he just phone the cops and sit behind the window of his house?

I'm not taking race into this at all.. no need to bring up what if Zimmerman was black.

Zimmerman got off because there wasn't enough evidence. That's how our justice system works. I still think it's stupid as fuck for a 250 pound man to claim self defense on a 140 pound teenager, especially when Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon had skittles.

T4RAWR

07-16-2013, 09:53 AM

when they act like they do, breaking windows and assaulting strangers WHO HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS EVENT, i cant feel sorry for them.

infact, police should have upgraded to rubber bullets instead of bean bag rounds and put these mother fuckers down. full riot gear and crack some fucking skulls.

predom

07-16-2013, 10:00 AM

If Zimmerman was scared for his life, why would he go up to Trayvon to initiate the first point of contact with him? Why couldn't he just phone the cops and sit behind the window of his house?

Because he's not a pussy, and stood up and took matters into his own hands, something people don't do enough of.
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Geoc

07-16-2013, 10:02 AM

if this case was the other way around, Zimmerman was black, and treyvon was Spanish or whatever it is Zimmerman is, you'd see black people all over America with signs saying "another brotha down" and "free Zimmerman" etc etc. from personal experience what I see, its as if the black community look out for the black community, doesn't matter how wrong they are, in their minds, they're innocent. just like the commercial drive area is an Italian community...they look out for them selves and help each other out....that gentrification bullshit, they're all east van people sticking together trying to get their stupid points out, the old topic of full Asian signs in Richmond, seemed as if 80% of the people who said they didn't care were Asian as it didn't affect them at all.

It also doesn't help when you have people like Al Sharpton trying to get people riled up so he could make his next big pay cheque.

stewie

07-16-2013, 10:14 AM

Yeah... you're comparing a junkie to a harmless teenager.

So if you were Zimmerman and that junkie was Trayvon. You think you'd go up to him and try to confront him? making him aggravated to attack you?

No you wouldn't. You'd keep walking past the junkie hoping no confrontation happens.

If Zimmerman was scared for his life, why would he go up to Trayvon to initiate the first point of contact with him? Why couldn't he just phone the cops and sit behind the window of his house?

I'm not taking race into this at all.. no need to bring up what if Zimmerman was black.

Zimmerman got off because there wasn't enough evidence. That's how our justice system works. I still think it's stupid as fuck for a 250 pound man to claim self defense on a 140 pound teenager, especially when Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon had skittles.

do I know hes a harmless teenager? when a cop pulls up to a suspicious 17 year old at that time of night while the kid is wearing exactly what treyvon was, do they approach him with hugs or with their hand on their taser as a precaution?

if I lived in a gated community, and I was a volunteer neighborhood watch, I see a person walking around LATE at night, you bet your damn ass id confront him. in a second. hes no longer on the streets, but now in a gated community where I live. theres been a lot of robberies lately, and I think this person is up to no good. my house could be potentially at stake.

maybe he went up to trayvon to talk to him, put his hand on his shoulder to get him to turn around, and trayvon threw the first punch, who the fuck knows, hell it doesn't even need to be a punch, he could have just pushed him hard in the chest. you push me, I push you, one thing leads to another, you started it, I ended it.

parm104

07-16-2013, 11:17 AM

I just wanted people to understand that Trayvon is as much racist as Zimmerman is or people are making him out to be.

Absolutely, which is why this should have NOTHING to do with race or racism. This case is about a man with a gun who provoked an altercation and used a gun to kill a kid. Colour of Zimmerman's skin and the colour of Martin's skin shouldn't even be relevant. THEY'RE BOTH minorities for crying out loud lol.

Hondaracer

07-16-2013, 12:32 PM

Another thug off the streets, thanks to a vigilant neighbour.

When tried by a jury of his peers, he was deemed not guilty.

I'd be happy to have him watching my block.
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HansonBoy

07-16-2013, 12:54 PM

with me walking down east hastings/main street at 2am, even I feel sketched out when a little 130lb junkie walks past me...I don't know if the guys got a knife and willing to stab someone for their wallet just so they can get their fix. I could easily take the guy if he were to attack me, but for that brief 3-4 seconds during the attack, id be having a million things running through my mind and I would do anything to get him off/away from me.

If the guy walk pasts you, then after awhile, actually turns around, and slowly pursues you.. would that freak you out?

Well, this is probably how Trayvon felt. A stranger in a van watching him, then actually gets out and follows him. Why didn't Zimmerman honk his horn? Why didn't he stick his head out of the window while remaining in the safety of his car, and yell at the kid asking him what he's up to, while identifying himself as a neighborhood watchman. George Zimmerman never did any of this, because he had already decided beforehand that Trayvon was guilty, and up to no good.

And remember, back then he wasn't the hodgy podgy Zimmerman, who looks like he wouldn't even hurt a fly:

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/news/121210/george-zimmerman-300.jpg

No. He looked like this.

http://jetmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/gty_george_zimmerman_jef_120412_wg.jpg

stewie

07-16-2013, 02:14 PM

If the guy walk pasts you, then after awhile, actually turns around, and slowly pursues you.. would that freak you out?

Well, this is probably how Trayvon felt. A stranger in a van watching him, then actually gets out and follows him. Why didn't Zimmerman honk his horn? Why didn't he stick his head out of the window while remaining in the safety of his car, and yell at the kid asking him what he's up to, while identifying himself as a neighborhood watchman. George Zimmerman never did any of this, because he had already decided beforehand that Trayvon was guilty, and up to no good.

And remember, back then he wasn't the hodgy podgy Zimmerman, who looks like he wouldn't even hurt a fly:

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/news/121210/george-zimmerman-300.jpg

No. He looked like this.

http://jetmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/gty_george_zimmerman_jef_120412_wg.jpg

would I freak out? yeah, who wouldn't...at least id turn around every few steps and if I noticed hes still following me id stop and ask him wtf he wants from a distance. if no reply, then fuck him, ill either turn around and run, or ill stay there and potentially get stabbed or beat up..

why would he honk his horn??? that's just plain stupid..yes, lets honk our horn, startle the kid who could be a potential robber, and have him run and get away. or, lets stick our head out the window, middle of the night, I can see at least 100 yards...after that, we'll put this suspicious man on the honor system and hope he wont be a possible burglar. addressing himself as a neighborhood watchmen is pointless, that's as stupid as watching dumb and dumber when jim carey tries to run onto the plane through the jetway..when stopped by the air line official guy, he turns and says "its okay, im a limo driver!!!" and flashes his badge...completely pointless, hes no authority so who cares...he was doing what a good neighborhood watch would do. he never claimed that trayvon was guilty before he approached him. he went to him to find out who he is and where hes going, see if he has a reason to be there, that doesn't mean that he found him guilty. he was just finding out more as to why he was there/who he was etc.

dear god, hes gained some weight as he aged...who would have thought!!! wow, mind blown...don't forget, half the ppl on here probably look like little hooligan thugs back in highschool and now look like respectable people who "wouldn't hurt a fly".

StylinRed

07-16-2013, 02:25 PM

would I freak out? yeah, who wouldn't...at least id turn around every few steps and if I noticed hes still following me id stop and ask him wtf he wants from a distance. if no reply, then fuck him, ill either turn around and run, or ill stay there and potentially get stabbed or beat up..
there were words exchanged supposedly so Trayvon probably did go "hey why you following me?"

middle of the night, I can see at least 100 yards...

it was approximately 7:09-7:15pm when the incident occurred hardly the middle of the night and that's 30mins after sunset for Feb 26th 2012 in Florida... it's still bright out

stewie

07-16-2013, 02:49 PM

there were words exchanged supposedly so Trayvon probably did go "hey why you following me?"

it was approximately 7:09-7:15pm when the incident occurred hardly the middle of the night and that's 30mins after sunset for Feb 26th 2012 in Florida... it's still bright out

And it was probably Treyvons attitude that escalated things. I really can't see Zimmerman confronting him from a distance and exchanging words and then escalating into a fight. The kid probably acted like any other wanna be g-thug at that age and told him to get lost/fuck off/ or some stupid ass ghetto slang response, and it but him in the ass.

30 min after sunset, while its raining out. So it's darker out. Not to mention the 911 dispatcher told Zimmerman to watch the person after he stated that Treyvon was running.
I'm not gonna waste time on this, I find him not guilty, you can find him guilty, people will always disagree, so fuck it.
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StylinRed

07-16-2013, 03:19 PM

And it was probably Treyvons attitude that escalated things. I really can't see Zimmerman confronting him from a distance and exchanging words and then escalating into a fight. The kid probably acted like any other wanna be g-thug at that age and told him to get lost/fuck off/ or some stupid ass ghetto slang response, and it but him in the ass.

quite possibly and Zimmerman can/should still be found guilty of manslaughter in such an encounter (that was my point from the beginning)

jimmyrustler

07-16-2013, 03:42 PM

17 year old urban youth is not a kid/child/infant. thats a 99% bbc

stewie

07-16-2013, 03:47 PM

quite possibly and Zimmerman can/should still be found guilty of manslaughter in such an encounter (that was my point from the beginning)

Last post I swear :p meant that it was treyvons attitude and g-thugness that probs started it, I bet the kid turned around acting tough pushed Zimmerman saying shit like "what you want bitch". So, if that's what did happen and the kid made the first push, he's the one who started the fight. At that point Zimmerman was meerly approaching him to get some info, not to gight, but ipon being pushed/punched/kicked he went and took self defense and ended up shooting him during a struggle.
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mikemhg

07-16-2013, 04:08 PM

Last post I swear :p meant that it was treyvons attitude and g-thugness that probs started it, I bet the kid turned around acting tough pushed Zimmerman saying shit like "what you want bitch". So, if that's what did happen and the kid made the first push, he's the one who started the fight. At that point Zimmerman was meerly approaching him to get some info, not to gight, but ipon being pushed/punched/kicked he went and took self defense and ended up shooting him during a struggle.
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For real? Are you serious? You're pretty clearly showing a preference to Zimmerman here, because what you are saying could easily be reversed. How do you know Zimmerman wasn't the agressor? Listening to the 911 calls, it sounded to be Zimmerman was the one initiating this whole thing.

I'll tell you right now, if someone like you were following me around and harassing me, I would likely respond EXACTLY the same way you are alleging Trayvon did.

This case is not complicated, none of this would have happened if Zimmerman had simply completed his call to the police, and stayed in his vehicle and allowed the police to do their job accordingly.

This is why people claim racism to those who argue on the other side of this discussion, it's pretty friggin clear what the result of this case should have been.

predom

07-16-2013, 04:53 PM

I'll tell you right now, if someone like you were following me around and harassing me, I would likely respond EXACTLY the same way you are alleging Trayvon did.

Then ull get ur ass shot dead. And rightly so.
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StylinRed

07-16-2013, 05:02 PM

acurael

07-16-2013, 05:26 PM

who knows what really happened and who is to blame. But if Zimmerman never had a gun to begin with it would not have ended this way. That's the actual problem in all of this. And it always is in the States. Idiots with guns. If he never had a gun maybe he would have actually fought off the kid (if he was actually being attacked). Sad a grown man can't fight off a teenager one on one.
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T4RAWR

07-16-2013, 05:32 PM

there are plenty of teenagers who could kick the shit out of adults. its not sad that a grown man cant fight off a teenager one on one. the teenager will most likely be far more fit than the grown man.

the fault here in my opinion lies with state prosecutors trying to charge zimmerman with murder rather than manslaughter.

theres a lot of issues with this incident all of them unfortunate. the biggest issue i have is that the state prosecutors should have opted to try zimmerman for manslaughter rather than murder. the burden of proving pre-meditation (malice aforethought) is extremely difficult, especially in a case like this. had the state prosecutor moved for a charge of involuntary manslaughter they would have had zimmerman dead to rights. he would have seen jail time, people would have been happy and those "crying" for justice for trayvon would have gotten what they wanted.

saying that "if it was a black man who killed a white teenager" and suggesting that the black man would have gotten life in prison is ignorant of the facts. the circumstances of the case show that the cards were stacked against the state prosecution in the first place. the real tragedy here is that an incompetant over zealous state prosecutor felt that he could gain some glory by winning a high profile case with high profile stakes rather than having the common sense to charge the man for something that he was ACTUALLY guilty of

charging him for murder 2 in a state with one of the highest issuing of conceal carry weapons permits as well as one of the highest rate of retired armed forces veterans and an extremely strong presence of the NRA was moot. florida is also one of the states with the castle doctrine/defense of habitation statutes and as such, the general public's perception on the use of a firearm to fend off a would be intruder/thief/attacker is high. with involuntary manslaughter, the judge could have instructed the jury that they must make considerations for the criminal negligence. the state prosecutor would only have to have proven that zimmerman acted criminally negligent which resulted in the death of trayvon martin. involuntary manslaughter through criminal negligence requires no burden of proof in regards to malice aforethought or premeditation which was the weakest piece of the puzzle here. they could have tried zimmerman on involuntary manslaughter and he would have wound up in a state prison for up to 15 years.

i'm not particularly well versed in american law but that is my assessment of the situation.

Geoc

07-16-2013, 08:29 PM

And remember, back then he wasn't the hodgy podgy Zimmerman, who looks like he wouldn't even hurt a fly:

http://img2-1.timeinc.net/people/i/2012/news/121210/george-zimmerman-300.jpg

No. He looked like this.

http://jetmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/gty_george_zimmerman_jef_120412_wg.jpg

:fulloffuck:

When did your looks become admissible in the court of law? He could've looked like strawberry shortcake and it wouldn't make a difference to the case.

Okay, let's assume appearance is a factor. If the fact that Zimmerman looks intimidating is a valid argument, Zimmerman's statement that the boy looked like he 'was up to no good' would be equally admissible in court.

I don't know any of the intricacies or the details of the case, but the level of hypocrisy in that argument is just ridiculous.

StylinRed

07-16-2013, 08:32 PM

CharlesInCharge

07-16-2013, 09:00 PM

Having a minor look over the evidence today, I see that the best witness was alerted to the squirms of a young man and came out right away to investigate the loud bang which she didnt recognize as a gun shot.
Upon seeing the two bodies, she saw the "red and dark pattern" clothing of a man (on top) straddling another on the ground.
Discovery: Selma Lamilla's Full Statement to Sanford PD - YouTube

http://sharing.wptv.com/sharewfts//photo/2012/05/17/DSC_0068_20120517174204_640_480.JPG

This shows Zimmerman was in a power position and not in danger for his life when he shot.

Had Zimmerman even been under him when he shot, there should be blood on his clothes.

On a side note, it was dark that night so I wonder if Zimmerman could have inflicted damage to himself prior to his neighbour taking pictures of his nose and sharp marks to his head. If Martin and Zimmerman at most were struggling for the gun, it still doesnt excuse the stalker (as he not police officer) from bringing a weapon to the confrontation of an unarmed boy.

This main witness reached out multiple times to the police but wasnt contacted for several days.
Mary Cutcher and Selma Mora Lamilla - YouTube

Martin's girl friend was on the phone when the incident started... police also didnt talk to her for some days.

Zimmerman's father is a judge... I would guess hes paid his dues of incarcerating minorities, innocent or not, for the prison industrial complex which works people for less then $5 for a whole days work... all on behalf of the Zionist occupied USA. So its not surprising that the system looks out for its own and to show other judges in the states that its loyal as long as they keep doing what they're doing.

StylinRed

07-16-2013, 09:25 PM

Zimmerman's father is a judge...

I had thought this as well, while he is a "magistrate judge" in Virgina such a judge functions as a Justice of the Peace, simply issuing warrants etc he was never qualified nor did he try cases etc

CharlesInCharge

07-16-2013, 09:28 PM

There could be other angles to it too I guess, having the populace be at odds with each other is one way to cut down on protests.
The police investigators that have not been doing their job properly need to be questioned.

One other thing I forgot to say is how difficult it'd be for someone to smash a bald head into the ground and smother that resisting persons nose and mouth without getting DNA under the finger nails.
Martins had no Zimmerman DNA.

edit 2 - one last point, I found it funny how when interviewed, Zimmerman was asked why Martin was supposedly trying to cover his mouth... Zimmerman replied I have no idea... and the interviewer said because you were calling out for help right... its as if he was reminding him of a lie.
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaua8aAUpOs ~15:00

If I dont respond to this thread anymore... its because Ive been thread banned.

Soundy

07-16-2013, 10:06 PM

"Trayvoning" Is The New Horrible Internet Trend in Response to the Trayvon Martin Case (http://hellogiggles.com/trayvoning-is-the-new-horrible-internet-trend-in-response-to-the-trayvon-martin-case) :fulloffuck:

parm104

07-16-2013, 10:48 PM

:fulloffuck:
When did your looks become admissible in the court of law? He could've looked like strawberry shortcake and it wouldn't make a difference to the case.

He would've looked a lot cuter if he looked like a strawberry short cake...just saying...

http://img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/rubies/885589-Baby-Berry-Cute-Costume-large.jpg

Ludepower

07-16-2013, 11:15 PM

Don't wanna read you guys going back and forth with personal opinions on what happen.
Based on technicalities, lack of witnesses and proof beyond reasonable doubt...Zimmerman is innocent.

I believe Zimmerman was stronger than Tray...also the aggressor with a firearm and he should be put in jail but my personal opinion has no bearing on the case.
There are rules, laws and technicalities that govern each state. This is where change is needed for a different outcome.

StylinRed

07-16-2013, 11:19 PM

There are rules, laws and technicalities that need to be change for a different verdict.

not for manslaughter

but that's a jury trial for you

Hurricane

07-17-2013, 12:16 AM

not for manslaughter

but that's a jury trial for you

What are you talking about?

To prove Zimmerman committed manslaughter, they would have to have proven beyond a reasonable doubt either he was:

A) Reckless and/or criminally negligent (Involuntary)
B) Emotionally distraught and/or mentally disturbed (Voluntary)

Option A is out the question, because it was not an accident. Involuntary manslaughter covers situations when there was no intention (ie. Showing someone your gun and it mistakenly fires, killing someone else).

Option B is out of the question because it was not a crime of passion. There was certainly reasonable doubt that George was emotionally distraught or mentally disturbed at the time of the shooting. He seemed quite lucid and aware during all documented evidence of the encounter.

Florida Laws considered - it was either 2nd degree murder, or self defense.

Basically the task was to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that George was of a 'depraved mind' which basically means corrupt, evil, and/or perverted, in order for a 2nd degree murder charge to stick.

I think this is another good case for why regular people should not be armed with concealed weapons around their neighborhoods.

Geoc

07-17-2013, 06:13 AM

Actually you're appearance affects the Jury I would not be surprised one bit if his lawyers told him to gain weight etc etc

it's a classic tact not gaining weight but coaching clients on how to dress, how to act, etc

But I think Hansons point was how much creepier Zimmerman would have appeared to Trayvon back then (causing him to be more creeped out and perhaps react differently)

Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black? Trayvon has the right to profile and react based on zimmerman's appearance. But zimmerman cant profile trayvon because he is black?
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westopher

07-17-2013, 08:15 AM

:fulloffuck:

When did your looks become admissible in the court of law? He could've looked like strawberry shortcake and it wouldn't make a difference to the case.

Okay, let's assume appearance is a factor. If the fact that Zimmerman looks intimidating is a valid argument, Zimmerman's statement that the boy looked like he 'was up to no good' would be equally admissible in court.

I don't know any of the intricacies or the details of the case, but the level of hypocrisy in that argument is just ridiculous.
He's only pointing it out because the looks of Trayvon were apparently admissible in Zimmermans court of law where he is the judge, jury and executioner. Also, he wanted to make a point, that some 17 year old black "man" thats 140 lbs probably would feel pretty threatened if they saw him following them. It doesn't seem like you understood the context of the post at all.

Geoc

07-17-2013, 08:44 AM

He's only pointing it out because the looks of Trayvon were apparently admissible in Zimmermans court of law where he is the judge, jury and executioner. Also, he wanted to make a point, that some 17 year old black "man" thats 140 lbs probably would feel pretty threatened if they saw him following them. It doesn't seem like you understood the context of the post at all.

But that is not relevant to the case as his excuse was not admissible in court. The possibility of Trayvon being intimidated by Zimmerman's appearance would not just justify any actions he may have taken. Intimidated by Zimmerman's actions is arguable, but not by appearance.

The7even

07-17-2013, 10:51 AM

But that is not relevant to the case as his excuse was not admissible in court. The possibility of Trayvon being intimidated by Zimmerman's appearance would not just justify any actions he may have taken. Intimidated by Zimmerman's actions is arguable, but not by appearance.

You're just a racist! BLATANT RACISM!

Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black? Trayvon has the right to profile and react based on zimmerman's appearance. But zimmerman cant profile trayvon because he is black?

It's not racism when it's against whites!

Becareful, your racism is showing.

stewie

07-17-2013, 11:14 AM

You're just a racist! BLATANT RACISM!

It's not racism when it's against whites!

Becareful, your racism is showing.

Everyone is racist. Some just act like they're not to make them feel better about themselves :p
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Soundy

07-17-2013, 02:02 PM

Everyone is racist. Some just act like they're not to make them feel better about themselves :p
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I'm not racist... I'm speciest.

I'm not racist... I own a coloured TV!

I'm not prejudiced... I hate everyone equally!

parm104

07-17-2013, 02:06 PM

Either way, I'm out of this convo. I cannot reason with people who have their minds already made up a long time ago, like the media.

inb4 HURRRR NOTHIGN ELSE MATTERS ONLY WHAT MEDIA FED ME MATTERS !

Good day, sheep.

You're just a racist! BLATANT RACISM!

It's not racism when it's against whites!

Becareful, your racism is showing.

LOL!! Welcome back kiddo...

7seven

07-17-2013, 02:37 PM

I love how idiots confuse The7even and me, and send me angry PMs :facepalm: ability to read much :lawl:

Not really racist!

07-17-2013, 02:43 PM

^ post dem PMs

:fullofwin:

CharlesInCharge

07-17-2013, 03:19 PM

edit - what thought was a coverup ended up being consistent with the before and after pictures.

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George Zimmerman Surveillance Day Of Arrest "no obvious sign of injury
_www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4Px56Yag8
http://i.imgur.com/R6a0taU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UkV2fKo.jpg

Cover up?
ABC?s Enhanced Video Shows Cuts on Zimmerman?s Head | EURweb - Part 1 (http://www.eurweb.com/2012/04/abcs-enhanced-video-shows-cuts-on-zimmermans-head/)

Sharpened video shows no signs of blood blotches but then looks like a photoshoped picture is inserted.
http://i.imgur.com/ngRp3NN.jpg

CharlesInCharge

07-17-2013, 03:35 PM

http://i.imgur.com/q9vODYw.jpg

edit
Never-mind, these pictures are consistent with each-other.

The7even

07-17-2013, 03:39 PM

I love how idiots confuse The7even and me, and send me angry PMs :facepalm: ability to read much :lawl:

Sorry about that, mate.
It's not the first time they did that with you and I.
You always seem the get flak for my posts :lol

LOL!! Welcome back kiddo...

LEL

How is 'I'm out of this convo'

the same as

'I'm out of this thread'.

I was commenting on Geoc's post. Not yours. Nor was I arguing with you.
Now be on your merry little way.

StylinRed

07-17-2013, 03:59 PM

What are you talking about?

voluntary/involuntary/aggravated manslaughter <3 main categories

Im not the only btw one who found it possible (let alone proven) for him to be convicted of manslaughter all the other lawyers on cnn etc felt the same

but here's the law

782.07 Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.—
(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence under s. 827.03(2)(b) commits aggravated manslaughter of a child, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

782.11 Unnecessary killing to prevent unlawful act.—Whoever shall unnecessarily kill another, either while resisting an attempt by such other person to commit any felony, or to do any other unlawful act, or after such attempt shall have failed, shall be deemed guilty of manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
History.—s. 13, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2388; GS 3213; RGS 5043; CGL 7145; s. 719, ch. 71-136.

if any of these are true to you he's guilty

his pursuit of Trayvon wasn't justified
his act of pursuing Trayvon resulted in death
he was negligent in his actions ('reasonable care' and i think that was proven)
he intentionally killed Trayvon and it wasn't excusable or justified

certainly there's an argument for Zimmerman as to why he killed Trayvon but like i said from the beginning i don't buy his story and his story had obvious holes and lies in them

CharlesInCharge

07-17-2013, 08:18 PM

Right, I dont think this kid would've killed Zimmerman... Zimmerman thought he was a cop to shoot an unarmed teenager and get away with it.
I think many Americans supporting this killing have a fear of the on going degenerate culture in their society (thanks to Hollywood)... compounded with the large gap in economic inequality, they think this "self defense" murder will give them some security from criminals but Americas problems are far deeper.

---

I found Zimmermans wounds consistent after all but his feet have been blacked out in the original photo and pointed out in better detail in some blogs.
http://i.imgur.com/lSqVJpv.jpg

The7even

07-17-2013, 08:53 PM

I'm just going to leave this here...

Piers Morgan Gets Owned By Larry Elder - YouTube

Dem statistics at 1:30-1:40.

StylinRed

07-17-2013, 09:06 PM

The7even

07-17-2013, 09:33 PM

:seriously: ? all he does is try to justify racial profiling and call Rachel Jeantel an idiot...

edit: also by posting a video of larry elder you're baiting CiC to go into a tirade of his usual btw :)

In what interest is it to him.. as a black man.. to try and justify the profiling of people.. exactly like him self?

Take some time and think about that.

Or, could it be, that he is actually saying...what I have been trying to tell you all along.
While you think about this, remember the statistics mentioned between 1:20ish - 1:40.

StylinRed

07-17-2013, 09:57 PM

There are always those within targeted groups who agree with the those doing the targeting regardless of the matter

regardless of the argument and whatever truths ppl try to dig up or warp to support their views you cannot justify racial profiling period (which is what Elder seems to be supporting here)

weren't you defending muslims in past threads? (sorry cant really remember) if so aren't you being hypocritical?

The7even

07-18-2013, 02:00 AM

weren't you defending muslims in past threads? (sorry cant really remember) if so aren't you being hypocritical?

I'm not sure how defending muslims would make me a hypocrite.
But I'll address that issue as well and I'll tie this all up at the end and get back on topic.

In about 9/10 of the threads that I'm involved in regarding muslims, I denounce their ignorance, unwillingness to assimilate, anti-semitism, homophobia, racism, hatred of christians, disregard for law when they immigrate, sexism and any other stupidity they might harbor.

I call them out, and they don't like it.

Go for it, I encourage you or anyone to go through my history and look at my stance on muslims.
I call them out on their bullshit and so should you. Because you're a muslim and it is in your interest to present the real Islam, to both them and others.

I fully support the idea of kicking out any muslim in .. for example.. england... that publicly carries a sign "behead those who insult islam".. because 1, he should be beheaded right there on the spot were I to take what his sign said literally and 2, because those people are openly and publicly racist and violent. Protesting and threatening to kill some guy in Holland because he drew Muhammad.. and screaming how you will kill anyone that does this.. that is so stupid, it's offensive. The prophet would be ashamed, he'd never call those people muslim. They're a disease and they're spreading. They try to use the freedom that either England or Canada or whatever other european country granted them to opress and take away that same freedom from others. Yeah, no.

But that's just one example of how I view things regarding muslims.. there is the other part.
Where I defend Islam.
But defending Islam is rare for me.. because Islam doesn't need defending. I only call out anyone when they're being totally ignorant about what Islam is.

When I get called out on being anti islamic, I just kindly point it out to them that I am muslim too. And that shuts them the fuck up because they realize their racism card is ineffective.
And I don't say that just to shut them up, I say it because I really am a muslim.

Now.. with all of this said, this is why I will always speak the truth.
I don't care if I appear racist. I will speak it.
And the numbers speak with me.

What people need to realize is that "stereotyping" or whatever you want to call it is human nature. It is NOT a bad thing.

How it is good:

Yes, it is bad to label a certain group as "evil" or "bad". That is retarded.
It is however a completely other thing to use data that your brain gathers from the environment you are in and creates a general idea of what kind of people to avoid or look out for.
If you ignore that.. you can die. You have 1 life only on this planet. That is all. One. No one is sure of any afterlife or whatver. Your brain certainly isn't. So it is designed to protect you from external threats.

His neighborhood was burglarized 8 times. Each and everytime by someone black.
Yes, this does give him the right to "stereotype" , because there are billions of people on this planet, but you have to come to a conclusion on who the thread could be. It's common sense.

For example. If I see a black man wearing a hoodie, pants sagging, walking like a retard, you are damn right I'll be cautious.
But if I see a black man with a sweater and jeans and walking like a human being, I won't even notice that person, because it would never hit me as 'Hey, that person could be a threat to your safety'.

I automatically assume if you dress like a thug that you might be one. So sorry, I have a defense mechanism that tells me to be vary of assholes who fit a certain description because my brain taught me that people who fit that description have a tendency to commit crime.. if I see a pattern, I notice it.
Most people that commited a burglary in that area wore hoodies.

To suggest that "oh just because he looks like a thug, doesn't mean he should have followed him" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. He was active in his community, he wanted to help his neighborhood, so he mistaked one young adult as a criminal and followed him to make sure that when the police arrive, they can find him.
Doesn't anybody take accountability for anything anymore? Of course not, they just yell out racism because thats easier than facing the numbers and statistics that I and the guy in the video I posted pointed out earlier.

You can't dress like a cop and then be upset when people try to come to you for help..

What I am not: HURRRR ZOMG ALL BLACKS R EVIL LOLOL NI***RS!!! ALL GO BACK TO AFRIKA LUL KEKEKEKE XD XDXD

Oh, you're also 100% wrong.. again.
Elder supports fixing his communities problem .. which is, and you won't believe this..
EVERYONE IGNORING THE FACT THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITHIN SAID COMMUNITY.

But nah.. hes just a racist sympathizer LOL what a silly guy, silly him.

Hurricane

07-18-2013, 02:53 AM

voluntary/involuntary/aggravated manslaughter <3 main categories

Wrong. There are two types - as I said before. If you read deeper than the first page of the Florida Statutes you would have known that.

Yes, you can break down the Voluntary and Involuntary further, but its one or the other. Notice the aggravated term you posted applies to elderly, disabled, children, and emergency services. These are special statutes for things like child abuse, and caregiver negligence.

Im not the only btw one who found it possible (let alone proven) for him to be convicted of manslaughter all the other lawyers on cnn etc felt the same

Not sure whether to slap you for horrible English, laugh at you for watching CNN and taking it seriously, or punch you for introducing more irrelevant hearsay to a factual discussion.

but here's the law

[I]782.07 Manslaughter; aggravated manslaughter of an elderly person or disabled adult; aggravated manslaughter of a child; aggravated manslaughter of an officer, a firefighter, an emergency medical technician, or a paramedic.—
(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

So this is the only one that we need to look at. Did you even read the provisions in chapter 776?

If you did, you would have found some explanations of when such force is justified.

A person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

Now, would you like to sit there and tell me that Zimmerman did not reasonably believe he was preventing 'great bodily harm' by shooting Trayvon? (assuming we take into account the accepted version of the events by the courts).

(3) A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence under s. 827.03(2)(b) commits aggravated manslaughter of a child, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Just in case you want to refer to this one. I'll save you the time - its for child abuse.

his pursuit of Trayvon wasn't justified
his act of pursuing Trayvon resulted in death
he was negligent in his actions ('reasonable care' and i think that was proven)
he intentionally killed Trayvon and it wasn't excusable or justified

So you are arguing for Culpable Negligence, correct? Do you have the first clue what that means?

It's not like you leaving your garden hose on in the summer and getting a warning from the by-law officer. No its quite different. Allow me to share:

Culpable negligence means recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death (or failing to do something with the same consequences).

It is the omission to do something which a reasonable, prudent and honest man would do, or the doing something which such a man would not do under all the circumstances surrounding each particular case. [State v. Emery, 78 Mo. 77, 80 (Mo. 1883)]

"The term culpable negligence should be construed to mean a negligence of a higher degree than that which in civil cases is held to be gross negligence, and must be a negligence of a degree so gross as to be tantamount to a wanton disregard of, or utter indifference to, the safety of human life." [Smith v. State, 197 Miss. 802 (Miss. 1945)]

so gross as to be tantamount to a wanton disregard of, or utter indifference to, the safety of human life.

Yes....following around a guy you think is trying to burglarize your neighbors is exactly that. Wait.

certainly there's an argument for Zimmerman as to why he killed Trayvon but like i said from the beginning i don't buy his story and his story had obvious holes and lies in them

Wow...spoken like a true fool. No one cares what story you buy, or what makes you feel good. Or that your mom bought single-ply toilet paper this month, and you are mad as hell.

In fact, luckily the world operates in a slightly more sophisticated way for the most part.

Since we are sharing our opinions - the part that annoys me the most, is that you are too damn lazy to ever do any actual research in your online arguments. You run away every time someone calls you out - you bring nothing to the table. In fact, if I spent more than 0.001% of my time online with people like you, I would seriously be questioning what I am doing with my life.

CLIFFS
-StylinRed is an idiot - as usual

GLOW

07-18-2013, 07:54 AM

I love how idiots confuse The7even and me, and send me angry PMs :facepalm: ability to read much :lawl:

they're visually attracted to your avatar more than his...and click on your username thinking

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n88/r7l10/Close_Enough1_zps7bee2934.png

StylinRed

07-18-2013, 02:08 PM

Wrong. There are two types - as I said before. If you read deeper than the first page of the Florida Statutes you would have known that.

Yes, you can break down the Voluntary and Involuntary further, but its one or the other. Notice the aggravated term you posted applies to elderly, disabled, children, and emergency services. These are special statutes for things like child abuse, and caregiver negligence. i know...i was adding the break downs :P

Not sure whether to slap you for horrible English, laugh at you for watching CNN and taking it seriously, or punch you for introducing more irrelevant hearsay to a factual discussion. my point was that mine is not a unique viewpoint

If you did, you would have found some explanations of when such force is justified. yes and as i said in my comment i dont believe he was justified nor do i believe his story
(assuming we take into account the accepted version of the events by the courts).
is it the accepted version by the courts? i dont agree with that wording. its the accepted view of the jury certainly, if we were to just look at the aftermath and take everything the jury believes as fact than there would be nothing to discuss in here it would simply be "nothing to see here move along"

So you are arguing for Culpable Negligence, correct? Do you have the first clue what that means? of course...

Culpable negligence means recklessly acting without reasonable caution and putting another person at risk of injury or death

It is the omission to do something which a reasonable, prudent and honest man would do, or the doing something which such a man would not do under all the circumstances surrounding each particular case. [State v. Emery, 78 Mo. 77, 80 (Mo. 1883)]

a reasonable person would listen to the dispatch officer and not pursue

also use of force for defense is limited to the aggressor and deadly force isn't allowed

read up 776.041 Use of force by aggressor.

you want to argue that Zimmerman wasn't the aggressor go ahead

Wow...spoken like a true fool. [B]No one cares what story you buy, or what makes you feel good. Or that your mom bought single-ply toilet paper this month, and you are mad as hell.
actually this is what the discussion is actually about in here or else there would be no discussion, the facts of the case and the 2 stories and which we believe to be true

Since we are sharing our opinions - the part that annoys me the most, is that you are too damn lazy to ever do any actual research in your online arguments. You run away every time someone calls you out - you bring nothing to the table. In fact, if I spent more than 0.001% of my time online with people like you, I would seriously be questioning what I am doing with my life.

lol

pinn3r

07-18-2013, 02:59 PM

i'll just leave this here...

this guy makes a good point

The Blunt Truth about The Trayvon Martin Case - YouTube

StylinRed

07-18-2013, 03:04 PM

^^^its true, that's why the media especially US media sucks but since it is the topic of discussion right now may as well ;)

Hurricane

07-18-2013, 03:29 PM

i know...i was adding the break downs :P

No, you weren't. The breakdown for Florida would be
1) By Act (Voluntary)
2) By Procurement (Voluntary)
3) By Culpable Negligence (Involuntary)

Aggravated just means with a weapon - and doesn't change the fundamental criminal process, just adds time to the sentence if convicted.

my point was that mine is not a unique viewpoint

It is not a unique viewpoint that the world is a few thousand years old either.

yes and as i said in my comment i dont believe he was justified nor do i believe his story

It's not up to you (especially with your obvious limited knowledge of the facts) to believe whether or not he was justified. It's up to the interpretation of the legal protocols as they relate to the best understood circumstances of the case.

is it the accepted version by the courts? i dont agree with that wording. its the accepted view of the jury certainly

The jury are the 'Finders of Fact,' so what they say determines the outcome of the court proceedings. And yes, it is accepted by the court. What else is the accepted version? The prosecutions? Defendants? You may have just a slight bias problem there.

a reasonable person would listen to the dispatch officer and not pursue

This is bullshit for the following two reasons:

1) The dispatcher (not an officer by the way - so stop using that term) did not tell him not to pursue. He told him 'We don't need you to do that.' Do you understand the difference? To anyone with half an ounce of sense, it was essentially a legal statement. If the dispatcher had said 'Don't let him out of your sight' and George had been killed, his family would have received a huge payout from the city. There was no direct order that was disobeyed. Even if there had been, it was not coming from an officer of the peace, nor would it have been unreasonable for a person in the same circumstances to disobey it.

2) As we established a long time ago where someone got shot outside your house, and you sat inside playing Starcraft while blogging about how scared you were, there are two major types of people in the world. Those willing to put themselves in some level of harms way for the benefit of other people - yes even strangers, and people like you. So while I agree I fall into the former category, I would still say we are both reasonable.

Finally, even with that said - there is no evidence that George pursued Trayvon after it was suggested he needn't do such a thing. So your point is moot to begin with.

also use of force for defense is limited to the aggressor and deadly force isn't allowed
read up 776.041 Use of force by aggressor.
you want to argue that Zimmerman wasn't the aggressor go ahead

The stupidity in your posts is increasing by magnitudes.

Fortunately I have read up on the statute you quoted. Let me first say, you are making the assumption that George was the aggressor. That means George was committing a forcible felony, or that he had provoked the use of force against himself. Even if you believe the second point is true, there is an exception for situations where the aggressor has tried to escape, and then in fear of incurring great bodily harm, is entitled to the same rights as a non-aggressor.

These arguments were brought up and addressed clearly during the trial.

actually this is what the discussion is actually about in here or else there would be no discussion, the facts of the case and the 2 stories and which we believe to be true

No, not really. Its about you getting all your information from third party sources. It's all very vague, but certainly pulls at our emotional strings. Then you develop a closed subjective mind, and no matter what else is said, your opinion will never change.

Also, there are not two stories. There is one. There is only one person alive who knows exactly what happened. Maybe if Trayvon was alive he would say 'Yeah I beat Georges ass, he would have been unconsciousness in about 30 more seconds had he not been packing a gun.' We don't really know. Just because the prosecutors have written their own story in an attempt to directly discredit Georges does not mean it is true.

There were no independent witnesses that would have led me to believe any of the things you are continually regurgitating are or were true.

StylinRed

07-18-2013, 03:59 PM

It's not up to you (especially with your obvious limited knowledge of the facts) to believe whether or not he was justified. It's up to the interpretation of the legal protocols as they relate to the best understood circumstances of the case.

Im sorry do you know what's going on here? we're having a discussion on this case and what we believe

as for my limited knowledge of facts that's ur opinion

The jury are the 'Finders of Fact,' so what they say determines the outcome of the court proceedings. And yes, it is accepted by the court. What else is the accepted version? The prosecutions? Defendants? You may have just a slight bias problem there.

so what you're basically saying is there should be no discussion and we should just ignore everything because the jury has spoken
and that's precisely why you are wrong

This is bullshit for the following two reasons:

1) The dispatcher (not an officer by the way - so stop using that term) did not tell him not to pursue. He told him 'We don't need you to do that.' Do you understand the difference?

its my understanding he called the non-emergency line and spoke to an officer not a simple operator i may be wrong though but regardless if he disobeyed the officer telling him not to pursue

the mere fact that he pursued and confronted (as we know there were words exchanged) marks him as the aggressor and acting recklessly

Those willing to put themselves in some level of harms way for the benefit of other people - yes even strangers, and people like you.
if u recall i had actually gone outside and then gone back in as there was a crowd and i couldnt handle it i wished i could have done more or would have been able to handle it better but until something like that actually happens you don't know how you'll react

willing to throw yourself in danger for the good of the community is a stupid argument and in the example you used of mine there was an obvious incident of crime whereas in Zimmermans case it was mere profiling of a kid walking home that he didnt recognize there's so much more to it in his case than simply throwing yourself out there to help the community

in regards to a reasonable person, reporting to police someone you find suspicious and not currently involved in criminal activity seems like the reasonable thing to do... pursuing someone and confronting someone you find suspicious but isn't doing anything illegal seems rather unreasonable no? but that is open to interpretation
Finally, even with that said - there is no evidence that George pursued Trayvon after it was suggested he needn't do such a thing. So your point is moot to begin with. the fact that he got out of his vehicle and walked towards where trayvon was heading was evidence of his pursuit

The stupidity in your posts is increasing by magnitudes. just keep on attacking personally when you get a rebuttal you dont want to deal with...

Fortunately I have read up on the statute you quoted. Let me first say, you are making the assumption that George was the aggressor. if you had read the comments from the beginning of the conversation my argument is in the view that George is the aggressor based on what facts we have That means George was committing a forcible felony, or that he had provoked the use of force against himself. Even if you believe the second point is true, there is an exception for situations where the aggressor has tried to escape, and then in fear of incurring great bodily harm, is entitled to the same rights as a non-aggressor.

yes glad you read it...

These arguments were brought up and addressed clearly during the trial. yes they were...

No, not really. Its about you getting all your information from third party sources. It's all very vague, but certainly pulls at our emotional strings. no...you're assumptions here are too great third party as in watching the trial and reading up on any nuances in florida law?
Then you develop a closed subjective mind, and no matter what else is said, your opinion will never change.sounds like....wait for it...you?

Im willing to accept that the jury has spoken and he's free but even still, as ive mentioned, i believe he should have been found guilty of manslaughter

There were no independent witnesses that would have led me to believe any of the things you are continually regurgitating are or were true.
simply consider the stories consider what lies were revealed and consider witness testimony
its your opinion that zimmermans sentence was the correct one and its mine that it wasnt but nothing you've said has shown, to me, that mine is the incorrect one we've both interpreted the details of the case with the law differently

Hurricane

07-18-2013, 08:02 PM

the mere fact that he pursued and confronted (as we know there were words exchanged) marks him as the aggressor and acting recklessly

if you had read the comments from the beginning of the conversation my argument is in the view that George is the aggressor based on what facts we have

Im willing to accept that the jury has spoken and he's free but even still, as ive mentioned, i believe he should have been found guilty of manslaughter

Let me lay this out in the simplest terms possible...

YOUR POINT #1 - ZIMMERMAN WAS THE AGGRESSOR

George Zimmerman was NOT the first aggressor.

Here are the sufficient provocations:

Assaulted the deceased;
Unlawfully arrested the deceased;
Fires the first shot in a standoff;
Leaves a fight, only to return with a weapon; and
Is caught sleeping with the deceased’s wife.

And the insufficient:

Demands an explanation of offensive words or conduct;
Discusses settlement of a claim;
Discusses a sensitive subject;
Hurls inappropriate language and insulting epithets;
Engages in an inconsiderate act;
Travels near a neighbor who has previously threatened him;
Arms himself to repel an anticipated attack, while going about normal business;
Provides an opportunity for conflict, but does not cause it; and
Arms himself with the intent to cause a conflict with the deceased, but does not perform an act manifesting his subjective intent to cause the conflict.

There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest one of the sufficient provocations were met. Just because you feel he 'provoked' the situation, does not mean (thank god) the legal criteria was met.

YOUR POINT #2 - ZIMMERMAN WAS RECKLESS

First of all the correct term was Culpable Negligence for this case. So stop saying he was reckless, it has zero relevance to anything, and is the incorrect terminology.

Culpable negligence is basically doing something so ridiculously wrong, it would be easily punishable by law. So wrong it is completely unreasonable and grossly reckless. Do you need examples? Can you please try to wrap your head around this? It seems very difficult for you to comprehend.

Following around people you think are potential burglars will never fall into this category. Confronting someone walking between the houses in your neighborhood to find out who they are, will never be culpable negligence.

If it feels a little reckless to you - fine. It feels quite normal to many of us.

Just because you disagree with the tactics George used, does not mean he should be guilty of a crime and in jail for the better part of his life. He should be guilty of a crime and in jail if he broke the law according to its interpretation.

I agree, the law is not always upheld in all cases, but in this one, there is absolutely no way he could have been convicted, hence the reason, the case was dismissed in the very beginning before charges were even brought.

Imagine the kind of things that could have been accomplished, if all the energy put forth by the Trayvon supporters, was actually put towards a relevant and useful cause.

so what you're basically saying is there should be no discussion

We can absolutely have a discussion.

What if I had the opinion that Trayvon was the first aggressor because he was wearing a hoody. How would you respond? Exactly.

Thats because, luckily the law along with case-law is there to help us see exactly what these terms mean.

So instead of inserting your own version of what legal definitions are, why not talk about how you would like the laws to change - which parts of the stories you agree or disagree with etc. But don't tell me we have different interpretations of what Culpable Negligence is, because we are nowhere in the same ballpark. At that's not a discussion point.

Maybe you want the definition to be revised...fine.

I hope you understood some of this.

StylinRed

07-18-2013, 08:59 PM

Just because you feel he 'provoked' the situation, does not mean (thank god) the legal criteria was met.

YOUR POINT #2 - ZIMMERMAN WAS RECKLESS

First of all the correct term was Culpable Negligence for this case. So stop saying he was reckless, it has zero relevance to anything, and is the incorrect terminology. << you're incorrect here sorry maybe pull out your law definitions book and look up culpable negligence

Anyway I'll repeat myself i guess... given what we know of the case, given we really only have Zimmermans side of the story (we have Jeantel and some other witnesses etc but anyway)
given Zimmermans lies and his aggressive history I believe he was the aggressor in their confrontation
following someone isn't illegal no but zimmermans actions imo could have been construed as aggressive couple with whatever events occurred during their encounter Trayvon could was driven to defend himself (this was spoken about near the end of the trial i believe but the judge ruled in the prosecutions favor here)

you can bitch and moan about how you dont agree with me and attack me personally have at it but at the end of the day i was remarking on the facts and my beliefs on how things likely played out and so i believe he should be guilty of manslaughter

edit: Interestingly there's an article at huffpost almost exactly like ours

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alafair-burke/george-zimmerman-jury-instructions_b_3596685.html

and the commentary seems to take your view too

Ronin

07-18-2013, 09:49 PM

You and I can disagree all we want on Trayvon Martin but I fucking love this post.

It is the exact way I feel about religion.

I'm not sure how defending muslims would make me a hypocrite.
But I'll address that issue as well and I'll tie this all up at the end and get back on topic.

In about 9/10 of the threads that I'm involved in regarding muslims, I denounce their ignorance, unwillingness to assimilate, anti-semitism, homophobia, racism, hatred of christians, disregard for law when they immigrate, sexism and any other stupidity they might harbor.

I call them out, and they don't like it.

Go for it, I encourage you or anyone to go through my history and look at my stance on muslims.
I call them out on their bullshit and so should you. Because you're a muslim and it is in your interest to present the real Islam, to both them and others.

I fully support the idea of kicking out any muslim in .. for example.. england... that publicly carries a sign "behead those who insult islam".. because 1, he should be beheaded right there on the spot were I to take what his sign said literally and 2, because those people are openly and publicly racist and violent. Protesting and threatening to kill some guy in Holland because he drew Muhammad.. and screaming how you will kill anyone that does this.. that is so stupid, it's offensive. The prophet would be ashamed, he'd never call those people muslim. They're a disease and they're spreading. They try to use the freedom that either England or Canada or whatever other european country granted them to opress and take away that same freedom from others. Yeah, no.

But that's just one example of how I view things regarding muslims.. there is the other part.
Where I defend Islam.
But defending Islam is rare for me.. because Islam doesn't need defending. I only call out anyone when they're being totally ignorant about what Islam is.

When I get called out on being anti islamic, I just kindly point it out to them that I am muslim too. And that shuts them the fuck up because they realize their racism card is ineffective.
And I don't say that just to shut them up, I say it because I really am a muslim.

Now.. with all of this said, this is why I will always speak the truth.
I don't care if I appear racist. I will speak it.
And the numbers speak with me.

What people need to realize is that "stereotyping" or whatever you want to call it is human nature. It is NOT a bad thing.

How it is good:

Yes, it is bad to label a certain group as "evil" or "bad". That is retarded.
It is however a completely other thing to use data that your brain gathers from the environment you are in and creates a general idea of what kind of people to avoid or look out for.
If you ignore that.. you can die. You have 1 life only on this planet. That is all. One. No one is sure of any afterlife or whatver. Your brain certainly isn't. So it is designed to protect you from external threats.

His neighborhood was burglarized 8 times. Each and everytime by someone black.
Yes, this does give him the right to "stereotype" , because there are billions of people on this planet, but you have to come to a conclusion on who the thread could be. It's common sense.

For example. If I see a black man wearing a hoodie, pants sagging, walking like a retard, you are damn right I'll be cautious.
But if I see a black man with a sweater and jeans and walking like a human being, I won't even notice that person, because it would never hit me as 'Hey, that person could be a threat to your safety'.

I automatically assume if you dress like a thug that you might be one. So sorry, I have a defense mechanism that tells me to be vary of assholes who fit a certain description because my brain taught me that people who fit that description have a tendency to commit crime.. if I see a pattern, I notice it.
Most people that commited a burglary in that area wore hoodies.

To suggest that "oh just because he looks like a thug, doesn't mean he should have followed him" is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. He was active in his community, he wanted to help his neighborhood, so he mistaked one young adult as a criminal and followed him to make sure that when the police arrive, they can find him.
Doesn't anybody take accountability for anything anymore? Of course not, they just yell out racism because thats easier than facing the numbers and statistics that I and the guy in the video I posted pointed out earlier.

You can't dress like a cop and then be upset when people try to come to you for help..

What I am not: HURRRR ZOMG ALL BLACKS R EVIL LOLOL NI***RS!!! ALL GO BACK TO AFRIKA LUL KEKEKEKE XD XDXD

Oh, you're also 100% wrong.. again.
Elder supports fixing his communities problem .. which is, and you won't believe this..
EVERYONE IGNORING THE FACT THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITHIN SAID COMMUNITY.

But nah.. hes just a racist sympathizer LOL what a silly guy, silly him.

Hurricane

07-19-2013, 08:15 AM

I believe he was the aggressor in their confrontation

following someone isn't illegal no but zimmermans actions imo could have been construed as aggressive couple with whatever events occurred during their encounter Trayvon could was driven to defend himself (this was spoken about near the end of the trial i believe but the judge ruled in the prosecutions favor here)

Fuck man, comprehension much?

Sufficient Provocation

Assaulted the deceased;
Unlawfully arrested the deceased;
Fires the first shot in a standoff;
Leaves a fight, only to return with a weapon; and
Is caught sleeping with the deceased’s wife.

These are the acceptable provocations from the Criminal Law treatise. So unless you believe he did one of those mentioned things (which I haven't heard any sane person say) he is NOT the first aggressor by rule of law.

It's NOT about how we feel about his actions. Its clear cut. How the fuck can you not understand this point??

Also, there was no evidence submitted in the Affidavit of Probable Cause that described George doing anything remotely close to the acceptable provocations. If the prosecution was hoping to label George as the First Aggressor, surely there would be some kind of factual evidence in the Affidavit of Probable Cause to support this claim.

edit: Interestingly there's an article at huffpost almost exactly like ours

Alafair Burke: What You May Not Know About the Zimmerman Verdict: The Evolution of a Jury Instruction (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alafair-burke/george-zimmerman-jury-instructions_b_3596685.html)

and the commentary seems to take your view too

Wow...news much??

That is the worst left wing liberal newspaper on the face of the earth. I heard it was dead last in the American Consumer Rating index as well - god if a majority of Americans even know its that bad, what does that tell you? Not surprised this is a main information source for you.

Also, did you read the article?

The article is like ours? What does that even mean, we are not writing an article, I am trying to explain what law is to you.

If you read it, you would notice, they do not take my point of view. The crime novelist who wrote the article starts out very sane and reasonable. Then near the end, they go off the deep-end.

They fail to mention the fact I just alluded to above. We already have established case law for what being the First Aggressor entails.

So of course the judge didn't need to waste time giving instructions to a jury. She could see there was no one in the room who was arguing George had fulfilled any of the sufficient provocations.

And...yes, I do agree the possibility of a reversal would have become a reality, because we have already established that calling George the aggressor goes against the established case law.

It wasn't that the judge was scared - its that she had a brain.

ADDITIONALLY - as I have already mentioned in this thread, and you somehow conveniently keep glossing over, even if he somehow was the first aggressor, Florida law also has an exception 776.041 that states the first aggressor can use that force after they have exhausted their means of escaping if they believe they are in danger of receiving great bodily harm.

This significant piece of information was conveniently left out of the crime novelists article.

I want to say I give up...but I'm optimistically hoping you are going to have an epiphany, and say 'Ah, I finally get it.' I guess I am becoming the stupid one.

m!chael

07-19-2013, 11:00 AM

Lol StylinRed got wrecked.

StylinRed

07-19-2013, 11:47 AM

Fuck man, comprehension much?

Im sorry maybe there's some comprehension issue on your part???

I don't know how many times i'd have to repeat myself here my pov from the start is from the belief that Zimmerman did more than simply follow trayvon and likely started the fight in their encounter
and given how easily manslaughter has been a conviction in similar cases (unjustly perhaps) he could have been found guilty and because of my pov he should have been found guilty

[quote]The article is like ours? What does that even mean, we are not writing an article, god you've got to be fucking kidding me... I am trying to explain what law is to you. :lol and
you're ignoring my points of me bringing up what i think likely happened and using the law to show Zimmerman would be guilty (i think i may have even stated there's no evidence for him to be guilty but.... in my first few posts) you're making the assumption that im saying george is guilty and its right there in the law maybe this was my fault in my plethora of posts in this thread that my original msg was lost but after repeating myself so much i thought it would have gotten through

If you read it, you would notice, they do not take my point of view. (if you read my post i was speaking of the commenters)

ADDITIONALLY - as I have already mentioned in this thread, and you somehow conveniently keep glossing over, even if he somehow was the first aggressor, Florida law also has an exception 776.041 that states the first aggressor can use that force after they have exhausted their means of escaping if they believe they are in danger of receiving great bodily harm.
and you keep glossing over many points ive made of that my pov that Zimmerman had done much more than his claims (i realize we've no evidence of this)

I'll just end with I agree the evidence isn't there but I hate agreeing to that because of what I feel likely happened and because Zimmerman sought Trayvon out and in the end a 17yr old is dead

Lol StylinRed got wrecked.

lol you always show up when hurricane does to say just that ;) (so much so in the past i think ur the same guy if not buddies :D) the thing is though Hurricane doesnt seem to get my point maybe because im unclear but after repeating myself so much i thought it would get through

jasonturbo

07-19-2013, 04:55 PM

StylinRed, you're a smart enough individual, obviously capable of reading and researching.

Unfortunately, you seem to be so stuck in your leftist ways that you are never able to truly look at any subject from an objective perspective while "forming" your opinion.

Sometimes I think you are one of those "truthers"... either way, I loathe your posts.

Good day sir!

Noir

07-19-2013, 08:31 PM

Bonjour43MA

07-19-2013, 11:14 PM

In the court of law, Zimmerman is not guilty. This guy explained it perfectly here:

George Zimmerman - Why he is NOT GUILTY- Exploring the implications of getting out of his car - YouTube

We can all have our own opinions based on emotions, personal believes, and opinions, but at the end of the day, ACCORDING TO THE LAW, he was not in the wrong to have shot Trayvon.

If you lived in the states where there are gang/criminal activities, and have a zealousness to ensure your personal safety, you'd be stupid to not own a gun and have it on you whenever possible.

Does that mean Zimmerman got away with murder? I don't think so. He knew exactly what happened, why he pulled the trigger, and he will have to live with that on his conscience for the rest of his life. If you believed in the law of karma - he will pay for this somewhere down the road, assuming he shot Trayvon out of malicious intent.

For now, once again, in the court of law, Zimmerman is not guilty.

m!chael

07-20-2013, 12:49 AM

lol you always show up when hurricane does to say just that ;) (so much so in the past i think ur the same guy if not buddies :D) the thing is though Hurricane doesnt seem to get my point maybe because im unclear but after repeating myself so much i thought it would get through

Listen man, I don't know what you do on a day to day basis, but I can guess that you get there in a short bus. Also, your English is horrid. Pick up a book or something.

Gridlock

07-20-2013, 10:59 AM

StylinRed

07-20-2013, 03:28 PM

StylinRed:

It's come to the time that you need to examine your current posting.

One, you need to look and see that if you are the only one defending your side, are you really going to convince someone that you are right and they are wrong?

Two, what do you get out of it?

Three, what relevance will you being right or wrong, or other thread participants being right or wrong have on the events that have actually happened?

Oh I'm not saying hurricanes wrong (only wrong if he takes my considerations) I think we're just arguing from different points of view here and it kind of just blew into reply for replying sake

As I've mentioned time and again the evidence isn't there but I still feel he should and could be found guilty of manslaughter based on what I think likely happened and what we see seems to indicate that even though it's not hard evidence. Hurricane just likes to ignore that bit and keep driving the point of the law while ignoring my scenario or he assumed I felt zimmerman should be guilty irl because of my musings without anything to back it up and as I said that may be my fault

But anyway I've ended my replies a few posts back just reiterating and here we are once again ;)

Noir

07-20-2013, 03:54 PM

Oh I'm not saying hurricanes wrong (only wrong if he takes my considerations) I think we're just arguing from different points of view here and it kind of just blew into reply for replying sake

As I've mentioned time and again the evidence isn't there but I still feel he should and could be found guilty of manslaughter based on what I think likely happened and what we see seems to indicate that even though it's not hard evidence. Hurricane just likes to ignore that bit and keep driving the point of the law while ignoring my scenario

But anyway I've ended my replies a few posts back just reiterating and here we are once again ;)

Bro, you're the whiniest member of RS.

And don't even put yourself in that pedestal. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about America and it's legal culture, Israel vs Palestine, or just as simple as your local police incidents (The guy who got mauled by police dog for smashing a bus with his skateboard); Historically in RS, you too ignore or just disregard points made against you as biased or misinformed and you hold your own resources and opinions formed as superior. You're doing the exact same thing as the people you're arguing against.

In someways, sometimes you sound just a step below CiC.

StylinRed

07-20-2013, 04:15 PM

Noir

07-20-2013, 06:01 PM

It's no shocker that i've more often than not taken the opposing view to you and in my view you're one of the most angry ppl on rs because you're almost always supporting death, destruction and violence and to add to that you're in the military (so you've got your biases)

and as for your bolded quote of mine maybe you quoted before i edited but the end of sentence reads as this

Angry how? I'm hardly the most vocal member when it comes to complaining about the Zimmerman case, the Western influence in middle eastern politics, our local police authorities; guess who is though. YOU

And just because I don't support your ultra-leftist views then I must be in support of death, destruction and violence? That's some pretty radical and extreme argumentative devices you've got there.

Oh, and I'm not in the military. You might need to check your ultra-superior, unbiased, ultra-comprehensive, infallable information resources again there broski.

StylinRed

07-20-2013, 06:07 PM

Angry how? just the feel i get from reading whenever i read a post by you but its not like i keep tabs unlike...

And just because I don't support your ultra-leftist views then I must be in support of death, destruction and violence? That's some pretty radical and extreme argumentative devices you've got there. just the feel i get from your posts in the past on topics regarding death/violence/destruction

Oh, and I'm not in the military.

my mistake then thought you were, maybe i confused you with jd13 cuz of the macross pic

Edit, also if any of you would like to continue this back and forth about why you don't like me, my views, etc take it to pm please or fc we've derailed this thread enough and I won't be responding to anymore posts regarding me

The7even

07-22-2013, 08:57 PM

jaguar604

07-24-2013, 11:42 AM

AFTERBURNER w/ BILL WHITTLE: The Lynching - YouTube

predom

07-24-2013, 12:10 PM

Zimmerman for president.
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dangonay

11-19-2013, 06:25 AM

Feels good to be right.

George Zimmerman Emerged From Hiding to Rescue Family Trapped in SUV - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-rescue-family-trapped-suv/story?id=19735432)

So, Zimmerman helping someone proves he's a good guy?

What do you say about Zimmerman being charged with aggravated assault?

I guess by your logic this makes him a bad person?

Zimmerman Charged (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/officials+Trayvon+Martin+shooter+arrested+after+di sturbance/9180854/story.html)

falcon

11-19-2013, 12:35 PM

I take everything with a grain of salt. I'm sure you've seen countless videos on youtube of people getting arrested for "assault" when there was no such thing.

Presto

11-19-2013, 01:14 PM

In regards to Zimmerman, you've got more than enough grains to fill a shaker :P

Stealthy

11-19-2013, 09:38 PM

BBC News - George Zimmerman 'pointed a shotgun at his girlfriend' (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24995459)

A Florida man acquitted of murder in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager has been arrested on charges he pointed a shotgun at his girlfriend.

George Zimmerman, 30, has been jailed in Seminole County, Florida.

Mr Zimmerman was charged with felony aggravated assault, battery, domestic violence and criminal mischief, a sheriff's office spokesman said.

In July, a jury cleared Mr Zimmerman of the February 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin, 17.

Since then, Mr Zimmerman has had other brushes with police, including an incident in October when he was briefly detained following a domestic disturbance at the home of his estranged wife, Shellie.

On Monday, a spokesman for the Seminole County sheriff's department said Mr Zimmerman was arrested on Monday morning and confined to a single-person 64 sq ft (6 sq metre) cell - standard treatment for "high-profile" defendants.

About 12:30 local time (17:30 GMT), sheriff's deputies responded to an emergency call at a house in Apopka, Florida.

Mr Zimmerman's girlfriend said they had argued, and he had broken a glass table in the living room, then retrieved a shotgun and pointed it at her. He then pushed her out the front door and barricaded himself inside, police said.

She was not injured, police said.

The sheriff's office spokesman said investigators believed Mr Zimmerman and his girlfriend had lived together since August and had been arguing about breaking up.

He said Mr Zimmerman was not armed when police arrived and did not resist arrest.

Mr Zimmerman's acquittal of second-degree murder over the killing of Martin sparked a fierce debate about racial profiling and gun culture in the US.

Mr Zimmerman shot dead the teenager, who was unarmed and walking at night toward his father's house. He said the boy had attacked him.

Following the verdict, protest marches were staged across the US including San Francisco, Philadelphia, Chicago, Washington and Atlanta.

US President Barack Obama said the incident was a "tragedy" which should prompt national soul-searching.