[StaxBundlez]

If you have the time, give this a watch.. it may change your perspective on things.

Forks Over Knives - Official Trailer - YouTube

The feature film Forks Over Knives examines the profound claim that most, if not all, of the degenerative diseases that afflict us can be controlled, or even reversed, by rejecting animal-based and processed foods

Here's the link to the full vid:

DediTv (http://deditv.com/play.php?v=33a4dda192929bbc5bd9b399245baa66)

Just get through a bunch of the stupid ads and you're good.

NOTE: I am not a vegan, but after watching this, I'm definitely going to reduce my meat intake.

[Full`Throttle]

sweet, more meat for me!

[yot065]

if only it was cheaper and easier to lose weight :alone:

[LiquidTurbo]

waiting for SP to rage or troll :D:D

[LiquidTurbo]

Here's some real science that is worth 1hr of your time. (not discounting the documentary or anything, this is just a side note)

Sugar: The Bitter Truth - YouTube

[Lomac]

:fulloffuck:

If we were never intended to eat meat, then why are our teeth designed the way they are? There's no way in hell I'm giving up meat. lol

Regardless, it's your own damn fault if you eat shitty food. We all know what's healthy and what's not; we simply choose to mow down on that super sugary, extra cheese, excessively large meal because we like the taste of it, not because the shiny ads on TV told us to.

[StaxBundlez]

the video is both clinical and scientifically based; also takes the time to hear from both sides. take the time to watch it through.

[LiquidTurbo]

:fulloffuck:

If we were never intended to eat meat, then why are our teeth designed the way they are? There's no way in hell I'm giving up meat. lol

Regardless, it's your own damn fault if you eat shitty food. We all know what's healthy and what's not; we simply choose to mow down on that super sugary, extra cheese, excessively large meal because we like the taste of it, not because the shiny ads on TV told us to.

Nobody's asking you to give up anything.

Regardless, our teeth don't look like this:

http://www.nicephotog-jsp.net/images/dingo-teeth.jpg

You might find this chart interesting:

http://glutenfreevegan.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/chart.jpg

Anyway, I hope the discussions stays civil in this thread without people derailing it.

[drunkrussian]

heard from the filmmaker about this movie two years ago when he was promoting it on bill maher. had noluck at the time finding the full movie on tkrrent sites. anyone have any luck?

edit: nm pretty easy to find now lol

[StaxBundlez]

"He that takes medicine and neglects diet, wastes the skill of the physician. -Chinese Proverb"

[LiquidTurbo]

^ Don't post links, RS gets in trouble.

[StaxBundlez]

oops thx

[iEatClams]

Nobody's asking you to give up anything.

Regardless, our teeth don't look like this:

http://www.nicephotog-jsp.net/images/dingo-teeth.jpg

You might find this chart interesting:

http://glutenfreevegan.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/chart.jpg

Anyway, I hope the discussions stays civil in this thread without people derailing it.

I watched this when it first came out, and I was very skeptical as the large study has potential holes, but I was intrigued with the experiment they did on rats, and I do agree that corporations have shiet loads to do with us eating more meat, more food and drinking more milk. Many of my friends (all highly intelligent and high income earners) started eating way less meat and some became vegetarians.

After seeing this chart, I think I'll start reducing my meat intake as well. But meat just tastes way too good to quit 100%.

[Shades]

What a coincidence. I just saw the movie last night and thought it was great. Vancouver makes a cameo in the movie.

[LiquidTurbo]

I watched this when it first came out, and I was very skeptical as the large study has potential holes, but I was intrigued with the experiment they did on rats, and I do agree that corporations have shiet loads to do with us eating more meat, more food and drinking more milk. Many of my friends (all highly intelligent and high income earners) started eating way less meat and some became vegetarians.

After seeing this chart, I think I'll start reducing my meat intake as well. But meat just tastes way too good to quit 100%.

I'm just like ur friends... I used to be a diehard meathead. I would pretty much eat meat every meal. Nowadays I cut back on intake in complement with upping my exercise. (I never used to excercise.) I maybe have meat a couple meals a week now.

These days I don't drink milk anymore and incorporate way more fruits and vegetables in my diet.

My coworker did they same (exercise and diet change, and he went from fat to the fittest guy in our office, ie. did sunrun in 49min) If you saw a pic of him a few years ago you would have thought it would be impossible.

[Yodamaster]

I'm going to keep eating my burgers and hotdogs.

(real home bbq stuff, not mcd's)


Though I also eat a lot of salad, and I also drink mostly water. (soft drinks every once and a while)

[Nightwalker]

I lift weights now, and eat more meat than ever to keep up my protein intake.

Mostly chicken breasts and protein shakes. I'm lactose intolerant so I use a lot of plant based protein powders, but find that the whey ISOs don't bother me either.

I'm not stoked on the new studies finding red meat to be so harmful, but at least limiting to a few portions per week is better than having to completely stay away.

Will watch this soon.

[Presto]

When I viewed that OP trailer, first thing that came to mind, when they started naming off diseases, was that most of them were scourges of HFCS/sugar consumption.


Here's a decent critique of the film:

“Forks Over Knives”: Is the Science Legit? (A Review and Critique) « Raw Food SOS (http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/)

some of the anecdotes used to support a plant-based diet (such as Norway’s war-time cuisine and the traditional Japanese diet) actually point to marine foods being a great addition to your menu. For some reason, no one in the movie says a gosh darn thing about fish. Are they lumping fish into the same “meat” category as Oscar Mayer Weiners? Have they forgotten that fish exists in the food supply? Are they ignoring the health benefits of marine foods that nearly everyone—even the folks who swear on their momma’s grave that red meat will kill you—agrees on? What’s going on here?

Animal foods, it seems, are synonymous with the Western diet, and meat exists only in industrialized countries. Non-Westernized populations like the Masai, traditional Inuit, Australian aborigines, and countless hunter-gatherers have conveniently vanished for the duration of this movie. It must be awesome to selectively choose reality like that!

After a collage of soundbites about how awful and unhealthy Americans are (ya think?), the fun begins around the 13-minute mark, when we get a brief biology lesson on the C-word: cholesterol. Props to the scriptwriter for at least noting that cholesterol is a “natural and essential substance” (per some descriptions, you’d think the stuff was toxic sludge), but the narration goes downhill from there....Yikes! Did we slip and fall back into the ’80s?

Her critique is quite extensive, and I would recommend having a look at it.

[melloman]

Watching the first half of that 1.5 hour movie (Sorry, I could barely stay awake in lectures, let alone a lecture that's on the internet) I can see how sugars will kill you.

But meat? Cmon. Eating meat won't be as hindering to your body, if you exercise and are able to burn off the calories then your fine eating meat once a day. I eat atleast my daily serving of meat at dinner. I have since I was young, and have never had a problem.

[RFlush]

In before Skinnypupp makes a post.

[IfUCare]

http://glutenfreevegan.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/chart.jpg

i think the biggest issue with that graph is that it doesn't take into account that we cook our meat/food before we eat it. we have tools to make our food smaller before we put it into our mouth. I think the biggest issue with meat right now, is the way we farm it. Too much hormones, antibiotics, and grain feed. The animals are simply not healthy when we eat it. There's nothing wrong with meat, but i think there's something wrong with the way we raise it.

[MG1]

One thing people don't discuss often is attitude...... for lack of a better word.

Just as important as diet and exercise, is your outlook on life, IMHO. Happiness, less stress, etc.

I refuse to become a miserable cunt, like some people I know with a chronic disease or whatever. I have type II diabetes. Not going to let it take over my life. My cholesterol levels are fine and my blood pressure is normal......... must be because I refuse to let life stress me out. Humor, tits, and ass......... best medicine in the world for us guys.

[originalhypa]

I was forced to go vegetarian last year due to a blood disorder. It was a very positive change for me and allowed me to get down to my proper body weight. The problem was that I was down on vitamins and minerals like iron and b12, that typically come from meat, and had to take supplements to make up for it. Over the last few months I began to bring meat back into my diet. These days I'll have some chicken, pork or fish every day. It's all organic, grain fed and bought from the source and that's made the difference. More green leafy veggies, and fewer carbs. Now I'm healthy, and strong, something I couldn't say 8 months ago.

The Canadian food guide is actually pretty spot on with what you should, and shouldn't eat.

Eating Well with Canada's Food Guide - Main Page - Health Canada (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index-eng.php)

http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/mstoilov/Health/food_guide_bar_big.gif

[MG1]

i think the biggest issue with that graph is that it doesn't take into account that we cook our meat/food before we eat it. we have tools to make our food smaller before we put it into our mouth. I think the biggest issue with meat right now, is the way we farm it. Too much hormones, antibiotics, and grain feed. The animals are simply not healthy when we eat it. There's nothing wrong with meat, but i think there's something wrong with the way we raise it.

Very true.

[TheNewGirl]

I was forced to go vegetarian last year due to a blood disorder. It was a very positive change for me and allowed me to get down to my proper body weight. The problem was that I was down on vitamins and minerals like iron and b12, that typically come from meat, and had to take supplements to make up for it. Over the last few months I began to bring meat back into my diet. These days I'll have some chicken, pork or fish every day. It's all organic, grain fed and bought from the source and that's made the difference. More green leafy veggies, and fewer carbs. Now I'm healthy, and strong, something I couldn't say 8 months ago.

The Canadian food guide is actually pretty spot on with what you should, and shouldn't eat.

Eating Well with Canada's Food Guide - Main Page - Health Canada (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/index-eng.php)

http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/mstoilov/Health/food_guide_bar_big.gif

I think the food guide recommends WAY too many servings of carbs given what the average person eats for their breads/carbohydrates.

I would suggest that in our bleached rice, white bread world that the servings should be substancially lower then 10 a day while fruit and veg should probably be 8 - 12 rather then 6 - 10.

[dinosaur]

I follow a "Plant-based diet". Actually, almost exactly like what the proponents of this documentary promote.

I love it.

If you listen to the video and understand what "plant-based" means, it does not tell you to totally eliminate animals products from your diet. This is NOT a vegan diet!

5-10% of you diet can be animal (meat, dairy, fish, animal proteins, etc).

This is also not a new trend and you can see in the film that it is based on The China Study....a very well researched, detailed, and complex analysis on region diets and the correlation of death and diseases.

I do not miss meat or animal products...but I don't deny myself anything either. If I was to go out for dinner and eat sushi, I will (the only animal products I have had in the last 4 months is fish). What I will not do is go to McDonalds and eat a Big Mac...b/c in reality, nobody should.

I have never eaten so many fruits and vegetables in my life and I feel AMAZING! I am not hungry, I don't feel like I am missing anything, and it is CHEAP! Anyone who says eating like this is too expensive fails at grocery shopping.

It takes a little more planning, but it is fun and totally worth it. I bake (muffins, loafs, cookies, etc) all the time and it is easy. It is also very rewarding to know exactly what you are putting in your mouth and never having to worry about additives, preservatives, chemicals, dyes, etc.

I highly recommend it and if anyone wants some really great recipes, I'd be happy to share.

Whats for dinner tonight? Homemade "vegan" pizza! YUM!

[StaxBundlez]

I am not trying to convert anyone into a vegan here; I sure as hell am not one. The message I want everyone to take away from this is, "everyone should is responsible for their own health". If you choose to eat slabs of meet all day everyday, than by all means do it. You only live once and you should be allowed to enjoy it however you wish. If you want to hear a different perspective on things then give the video a watch and you can critique it yourself.
:thumbs:

[StaxBundlez]

When I viewed that OP trailer, first thing that came to mind, when they started naming off diseases, was that most of them were scourges of HFCS/sugar consumption.


Here's a decent critique of the film:

“Forks Over Knives”: Is the Science Legit? (A Review and Critique) « Raw Food SOS (http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/)







Her critique is quite extensive, and I would recommend having a look at it.



Yah this was a good read. I definitely agree with the fish part. I don't blame any of the doctors or scientist in the movie, but rather the people who edited the film.

[rsx]

Moderation and exercise should be the key message on any health food movie.

Sushi isn't as healthy as you guys think. Just eat normally, and if you have the extra cash then go for the fancier shit like grass fed cattle.

[drunkrussian]

i exercise regulary (though lately been slacking) and i have never eaten too poor of a diet (even at my worst, i don't eat fast food too much, i eat moderate amounts of junk food, don't even like sugary snacks, never put sugar in my coffee and don't drink pop or juice). recently i've been eating a lot more veggies and fruits and whole grains, but on top of that, have also greatly increased my protein intake.

i love veggies and after watching this movie, totally buy into it. i don't see myself going extreme but i definitely see myself reducing my meat drastically over time. i dont even like milk so that's not an issue either.

i totally see that it would be a lot cheaper - i buy a fridge full of veggies and fruits for $5 total at my local farm market, whereas that wouldn't even buy me a steak. My problem i guess is finding recipes to try, cheap and easy ideas, and ways to maintain protein and other nutrient ratios without compromising flavour and enjoyment (i am not the type of person that can eat the same bland thing everyday because it will burn more fat or give more muscle).

It's so easy to bake a piece of chicken or grill a piece of beef; filling up on veggies, a few whole carbs and a bit of meat sounds a lot harder without compromising taste. Something like pho is a good example of how you can do so, but with all the sodium and other things in there, we're now talking a whole different set of diseases. so anyone have any recipes or tips?

[Liquid_o2]

It's really interesting that ever since I moved out on my own I have had a much lower reliance on meat than ever before. Aside from one odd hamburger a month I haven't touched beef in 8 months, I eat chicken sparingly. My main proteins come from seafood which isn't the cheapest, especially on a students budget but if you shop around you can find great deals for frozen sustainable wild seafood, as well as eggs.

Plus you can get protein from many other sources such as cottage cheese or quinoa.

I used to have a lot of stomach problems before, but since moving to a simpler diet, much less fat, less meat, more veggies/salads, brown rice, etc my stomach issues have pretty much vanished. I also cut out milk and moved to almond milk instead which helped out as well I think. Just make sure to take your vitamins!

[dinosaur]

I will admit that at the beginning, it did take more time to prepare meals but as I got going, it became normal and easy.

There are a lot of good websites that have 1000s of meal options. I tend to chose those that do not require buying weird random vegan items and I substitute where possible. The easiest meal I make when I am tired or don't feel like cooking is a portobello mushroom buger with baked yam fries or salad. Takes all of 10 or so mins to make, is filling, and very delicious. Also, a lot of the food I make for dinner makes really great left overs.

I have also started planning a weeks worth of dinner so I only need to go shopping once, and there is no need to make decisions. For the most part, cooking this way is easier than a typical N.A. diet....it becomes habit.

Breakfast is pretty straight forward....either I have a smoothie (1.5 cups of frozen-no sugar added fruit, 1 cup of almond milk, and 2-3 tablespoons of fermented soy protein powder), muffins that I have made, black rice pudding with coconut milk, fruit and oatmeal with almond milk, etc. What ever is quick and easy as I HATE making breakfast.

Lunch is usually a sandwich (100% whole wheat sprouted grain bread, tomato, cucumber, avocado, sprouts), or left overs, or soup.

Snack are usually fruit, veggies, muffin, natural peanut butter, etc.

Dinners a little more involved...but usually from start to eating, it takes about an hour depending on how elaborate I want to get. Some are better than others, but I will try anything once...there is a lot of trial and error, but once I made the commitment, it was easy.

I bought a few books on amazon.ca and they were really helpful...I did a lot of research to make sure I was getting what I needed and I what I should avoid.

I don't do the whole Yves product thing though...tofu dogs are okay, but replacing everything with a soy bean based substitute is really no better than just eating the damn burger. A lot of those products have a lot of preservative, additives, chemicals, and nasty shit we should not be eating. I read labels and stay away from anything I don't understand. And, like i said...I do not live in a world of denying myself everything...if i want a cup of ice-cream...I will have one...just not every day, or week, etc.

Here are pics of SOME of my dinners:
http://ow.ly/alXmq

It has been really fun trying all these new recipes and the boyfriend is FINALLY getting use to it....most of the time I will make him some chicken on the side to add in or a steak, etc.

[Shades]

^pics didn't load

[dinosaur]

^pics didn't load

fixed :)

[Gridlock]

It has been really fun trying all these new recipes and the boyfriend is FINALLY getting use to it....most of the time I will make him some chicken on the side to add in or a steak, etc.

Finally, yes....still not digging the looks of those "cabbage rolls" or "purple looking poop in barely steamed cabbage leaves"

[dinosaur]

:rukidding: :squint:

[StaxBundlez]

^ recommend any good site for recipes?

[dinosaur]

Here are some recipe sites I use a lot:

Recipes | Vegan Cooking - Recipes & Resources (http://www.vegancooking.com/category/recipes/)

Recipes (http://www.delectableplanet.com/recipes.html) (this was the one I started on. It is great for idiots like me who do not know the first thing about cooking....each recipe has a step by step video)

VegWeb.com - Vegan Recipes and Cooking Tips (http://vegweb.com/) (1000s of recipes compiled from all over the internet and individual submissions)

recipes | Post Punk Kitchen | Vegan Baking & Vegan Cooking (http://www.theppk.com/recipes/) (not a huge selection, but some tasty recipes)

plantbasedhealth.com (http://plantbasedhealth.com/)

Fatfree Vegan Recipes (http://fatfreevegan.com/) (poorly designed site, but loaded with recipes)

[Ronin]

But...bacon.

[mbrodie]

It's true, I never thought a "half really healthy" + "half sort of healthy" diet
would catch up with me ..but it did ..so watch out!

All it takes is a moderate amount of stress combined with some bad food (not much),
to make you get pretty darn sick ..and the older you get, the longer it takes to recover.