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NJ Father Records Teachers Bullying His Autistic Child (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/nj-father-records-teachers-bullying-his-autistic-child)

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My name is Stuart Chaifetz, and my son, Akian, is a ten-year old boy who has Autism. Akian has always been a sweet and non-violent child, and that is why it was so distressing when notes started coming home from his school, Horace Mann Elementary in Cherry Hill, New Jersey, saying that he was having violent outbursts, including him hitting his teacher and aide.

I could not understand why this was happening. I had never witnessed Akian hit anyone, nor could I dream of him lashing out as had been described to me. In October, I had a meeting with the IEP team (the teacher, school social worker, occupational therapist and speech teacher) to try to figure out what was going on. From that meeting, a behaviorist was called in who wrote a report. I sat down with the behaviorist on February 8, 2012 to review the findings.

It was pointless; even though the behaviorist was in the classroom a number of times, not only had he never witnessed any violent event, but when he tried to create a scenario that would cause one to happen, he failed.

Something was terribly wrong. I felt I was beginning to lose my son -- that these outbursts were changing his very nature. The teacher and school social worker tried to downplay it, to the point of almost mocking me for my concern. But I knew my son. I knew this wasn't him. And I knew I had to find out what was happening in his class that was having such a dramatic impact on him.

On the morning of Friday, February 17, 2012, I wired my son and sent him to school. That night, when I listened to the audio my life forever changed, for I heard my son being bullied by his teacher and aide.

That is just disgusting.

[Kilinim]

That man is a hero. I hope those scum get what they deserve.

[KuSouL]

that was hard to listen to ~ especially how upset the father was

*edit* nvm i got it ... going to school for Akian was like prison :(

[StylinRed]

i had a bully teacher in elementary school was the PE teacher

everyone loved him! he retired a few years ago and it was a big deal even

but he hated me, targeted me, hell he almost went to fists with my mom and subsequently my dad -_- went to the principal and they put him in his place

was sooo :fulloffuck: fer me as a kid cuz i loved PE class luckily there were other teachers that handled PE so I didn't have to deal with him all the time


cant imagine why a teacher would pick on a kid let alone one with autism

the dad should tear them apart

[BaoTurbo]

Not offending the autism class or students but I think the teacher needs to join the class. She obviously also has mental problems.

Happy dance? Never heard of it my whole life.

[melloman]

I'd sue.

It's tough enough having a child with autism, let alone have his MAIN influence outside of his parents mock him.. I'd sue, and make sure each teacher was never able to work in teaching again.

If they decided to fight it? I'd release the tape to the media.

[drunkrussian]

crazy...enough douchebags in the world, we cant have people whos job it is to teach other people among them. he should be permanently banned from teaching anywhere see how he likes it

[unit]

once he started getting angry at the camera i just turned it off lol

[Glove]

imo they need to have some sort of rotation of teachers to autism/special needs kids,

they like the place the same teacher/staff member with the same kids for their term, because of familiarity sake,

but I can only imagine teaching autistic kids for 10 years, what kind of a toll that takes on a person, I can see why she snapped, she probably just couldnt handle it anymore, and went to work everyday on tilt, and took it out on the kids,

which is a disaster, the district needs to change some policies so this shit doesnt happen, but then again you cant force other teachers to teach autistic kids if they dont want to.

or she was just straight up retarded

[miss_crayon]

Although I agree that it could have taken a toll on the teacher (like some of you said)....it's not an excuse to lash out on the students.

The bf's dad is a teacher specializing in teaching children that have behaviour problems as well as other special needs kids. He has been doing this for 10+ years and he has never taken the stress that builds on his shoulder on his students. There's a difference between understanding the situation VS taking advantage of it.

The teacher in question took advantage of this poor kid's situation by putting all of his stress and anger onto someone he KNEW would not do anything back.

[G-spec]

Damn back in my communist country in the 80's, in elementary school we literally used to get whipped on our butts by a big ass ruler in front of the whole class...

but this is fckin worse, wrong on so many levels....

these teachers sound like typical "New Joesy Cabbage" (new jersey garbage if you watch south park or even caught a glimpse of jersey shore)

[spoon.ek9]

watched the whole video and it's absolutely disgusting. i hope there's an update on the fate of this teacher and the aides.

the situation kind of reminds me of a quote i read after the riot last year "a person's true character is shown when they think no one is watching".

[Great68]

Why the fuck did bballdork fail drunkrussian?

So bballdork, you think it's OK for teachers to act like douchebags?

[pastarocket]

This is horrible news. There's so much evil happening in this world already that we shouldn't see an innocent boy get bullied by a messed up teacher and teaching aide.

I hope the parents sue the school board, the teacher, and teaching aide. Sue their asses!!! That teacher should be fired ASAP.

As for the autistic boy, I hope the parents find a medical professional, perhaps a psychologist, to help their son. Who knows how much damage that terrible teacher and the minion did to the boy.

[G-spec]

Why the fuck did bballdork fail drunkrussian?

So bballdork, you think it's OK for teachers to act like douchebags?


cause it doesn't seem like Russian even watched the video, in his post he said "he should banned from teaching" not watching the video he probably thinks the guy in the screencap is the teacher so he talkin bout him...

the teacher involved in the incident was a she, not a he

[ilvtofu]

The only good I see from all this was that she was talking about getting herself/boyfriend sterilized, the world does not need any more people like her nor anyone who can tolerate this BS.

[Everymans]

Another source of evidence showing that teachers just don't give a fuck. If you're going to become a teacher, you should at least know how to deal with children. This relates back to the teachers strike not too long ago. I'm rather infuriated that they're cutting extra curricular activities. I guess they don't care about the kids enough to dedicate 2-3 hours a week to helping students.

[originalhypa]

What a messed up situation this is. This woman needs to have her tenure removed, and then sent to find a new career. Maybe working for a jail?

But it goes to show that special needs kids need that extra assistance from people trained to work specifically with them. Special needs children can be a lot more work, and in today's classroom they can be a burden because of the budget shortfalls that leave classrooms full of kids, without enough teachers and aides.

This is why school taxes need to be higher. you can't bitch about mistreatment of students, then go off on a rant about how high our taxes are. The funding for a public school system comes from us. Both parents, and non parents who need to realize that our future lies in these classrooms.

[MindBomber]

Another source of evidence showing that teachers just don't give a fuck. If you're going to become a teacher, you should at least know how to deal with children. This relates back to the teachers strike not too long ago. I'm rather infuriated that they're cutting extra curricular activities. I guess they don't care about the kids enough to dedicate 2-3 hours a week to helping students.

Teachers aren't paid for the time they commit after school running clubs, teams, giving students extra help. I have had a bitter, miserable old bastard as a teacher and he was never willing to stay after class because he was not paid for it. I however, also had dozens of teachers who loved teaching and were more than willing to dedicate hours and hours of their personal time to working with kids. I had a couple teachers who made massive impressions on me and I'm in still contact with till this day (I'm 24). You're infuriated because they aren't volunteering their time anymore, because they want to renegotiate their contract, that's gratitude right there.

[Great68]

Another source of evidence showing that teachers just don't give a fuck. If you're going to become a teacher, you should at least know how to deal with children. This relates back to the teachers strike not too long ago. I'm rather infuriated that they're cutting extra curricular activities. I guess they don't care about the kids enough to dedicate 2-3 hours a week to helping students.

I agree that if you're going to become a teacher, you should be prepared to deal with children like this.

I don't agree with your infuriation over cutting the extracurricular activities. You're angry that they aren't working for free??? I don't have to work for free, why should they?

[Glove]

Another source of evidence showing that teachers just don't give a fuck. If you're going to become a teacher, you should at least know how to deal with children. This relates back to the teachers strike not too long ago. I'm rather infuriated that they're cutting extra curricular activities. I guess they don't care about the kids enough to dedicate 2-3 hours a week to helping students.

I dont want this to turn into another union/teacher vs government debate,

but,

your an idiot

[unit]

Teachers aren't paid for the time they commit after school running clubs, teams, giving students extra help. I have had a bitter, miserable old bastard as a teacher and he was never willing to stay after class because he was not paid for it. I however, also had dozens of teachers who loved teaching and were more than willing to dedicate hours and hours of their personal time to working with kids. I had a couple teachers who made massive impressions on me and I'm in still contact with till this day (I'm 24). You're infuriated because they aren't volunteering their time anymore, because they want to renegotiate their contract, that's gratitude right there.

if you're a teacher and not willing to help kids who ask for it, you're in the wrong profession. i was blessed with amazing teachers in my school. didnt have one bad teacher that wasnt willing to go the extra mile.

[Great68]

if you're a teacher and not willing to help kids who ask for it, you're in the wrong profession. i was blessed with amazing teachers in my school. didnt have one bad teacher that wasnt willing to go the extra mile.

I'm sure there are still LOTS of teachers who want to go the extra mile, but when they're being treated like shit by their employer I can understand why they'd lose a lot of that incentive.

[unit]

blame unions basically.

[Great68]

blame unions basically.

What the fuck does that have to do with it?

If your boss said to you "Well, we've decided to scrap the bonus plan, and you're not getting a raise next year" would you really be motivated to put in more effort than absolutely necessary at work?
I'd bet you'd start looking for a new job, and half assing the time you had left at this one.

[Recon604]

wow she has no fckin heart

the american school system is just poor as our public school system

[Phozy]

Another source of evidence showing that teachers just don't give a fuck. If you're going to become a teacher, you should at least know how to deal with children. This relates back to the teachers strike not too long ago. I'm rather infuriated that they're cutting extra curricular activities. I guess they don't care about the kids enough to dedicate 2-3 hours a week to helping students.

Just another ignorant comment, i appreciate all the teachers who stay after schools and take hours of their own time to coach and do extra curricular things.
Right now, its a matter of teachers deciding whether or not they want to do those things or not. Nobody's forcing them, it's all in their own will. Sports, Grad, Fundraisers, it all takes a lot of time, and they're treated like shit by their employers(govt) even when they've gone the extra mile.


On the other hand, i hope the kid can watch that video one day and call his dad a hero :). Also hope those teachers are banned from teaching and penalized appropriately.

[noventa]

its probably for the same reason Quagmire dislikes Bryan in family guy. Don't worry about it.

[Everymans]

I'm sure there are still LOTS of teachers who want to go the extra mile, but when they're being treated like shit by their employer I can understand why they'd lose a lot of that incentive.
My comment did come off as biase and rather disrespectful to the teachers that do care. But when I see videos or read stories of teachers not giving a shit or not caring about their job it kind of puts the entire union to shame.

[TheKingdom2000]

Teachers aren't paid for the time they commit after school running clubs, teams, giving students extra help. I have had a bitter, miserable old bastard as a teacher and he was never willing to stay after class because he was not paid for it. I however, also had dozens of teachers who loved teaching and were more than willing to dedicate hours and hours of their personal time to working with kids. I had a couple teachers who made massive impressions on me and I'm in still contact with till this day (I'm 24). You're infuriated because they aren't volunteering their time anymore, because they want to renegotiate their contract, that's gratitude right there.

They are paid for the extracurricular activities they do. It's called summer.

[MindBomber]

They are paid for the extracurricular activities they do. It's called summer.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Teachers do NOT earn an income over summer.

If you're implying that generous vacation time is compensation for extra hours worked during the school year, then I hope a teacher never spent time helping you after class, coached you on a team or supervised a club you participated in, because you're an ungrateful POS.

[TheKingdom2000]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Teachers do NOT earn an income over summer.

Obviously, I know they don't get paid in the summer, technically.

They get paid a full salary with full benefits and pension and everything else and they get 2 months off.
That is the fuck i'm talking about. What other job do you get two months off?

[TheKingdom2000]

If you're implying that generous vacation time is compensation for extra hours worked during the school year, then I hope a teacher never spent time helping you after class, coached you on a team or supervised a club you participated in, because you're an ungrateful POS.

And yes I am implying that their EXTREMELY generous vacation time is compensation for extra hours worked.
And i'm not an ungrateful POS. That is simply my opinon.

Lets not forget only a handful of teachers actually do extra curricular activities. (at least in my highschool at the time)
I'm not saying there are not awesome teachers, it's just a lot of them complain about a lot of shit and don't realize how good they have it.

[MindBomber]

Obviously, I know they don't get paid in the summer, technically.

They get paid a full salary with full benefits and pension and everything else and they get 2 months off.
That is the fuck i'm talking about. What other job do you get two months off?

There are many professional positions that offer eight weeks or more paid time off per year. Teachers aren't even paid for that time however, it's almost the equivalent of a seasonal lay off.

Generous unpaid time off is by no means equivalent to compensation for time offered voluntarily to students.

[fT-z33wor]

blame unions basically.

Lol you mean "smoke cigarettes and stand around" :lawl:

[TheKingdom2000]

There are many professional positions that offer eight weeks or more paid time off per year. Teachers aren't even paid for that time however, it's almost the equivalent of a seasonal lay off.

Generous unpaid time off is by no means equivalent to compensation for time offered voluntarily to students.

Interesting, which professions? I'm not trying to be smart, i'm actually curious to know which professions get 8 weeks off.

The whole point of becoming a teacher in my opinion is to help students. And by helping them after or before school they are doing their job. And as compensation they can look forward to two months vacation + their sick days they MUST use.

[MindBomber]

Interesting, which professions? I'm not trying to be smart, i'm actually curious to know which professions get 8 weeks off.

The whole point of becoming a teacher in my opinion is to help students. And by helping them after or before school they are doing their job. And as compensation they can look forward to two months vacation + their sick days they MUST use.

My Mom is an executive at a bank, she's given ten weeks off paid.

At my former position as a construction foreman, I was given 12 weeks off paid.

British Columbia Registered Nurses, my future position, are given 4-9 weeks off based on seniority.

[unit]

What the fuck does that have to do with it?

If your boss said to you "Well, we've decided to scrap the bonus plan, and you're not getting a raise next year" would you really be motivated to put in more effort than absolutely necessary at work?
I'd bet you'd start looking for a new job, and half assing the time you had left at this one.

if you were allowed to be paid based on performance as a teacher, you would maybe work harder at getting better performance out of your students.
instead you get paid the same as joe shmoe who does the bare minimum, which gives you no incentive to work harder than him.
hes not getting fired anyway, and you're not getting a raise anyway.

[MindBomber]

if you were allowed to be paid based on performance as a teacher, you would maybe work harder at getting better performance out of your students.
instead you get paid the same as joe shmoe who does the bare minimum, which gives you no incentive to work harder than him.
hes not getting fired anyway, and you're not getting a raise anyway.

I like the idea of performance pay for teachers, but I don't like any of the possible methods of implementing it.

Teachers could offer increasingly easy tests to maximize raises if they were allowed to maintain total control of the classrooms. If standardized testing were implemented to judge the performance of students without bias, then teachers will start teaching to the test and I don't think that benefits students in any way.

I'd like to see getting rid of bad teachers become easier, but that's about it.

[Glove]

my mom gets 8 weeks paid vacation, and she's a janitor...


the only difference is you dont hear about it on the news all the time

[dark0821]

I like the idea of performance pay for teachers, but I don't any of the possible methods of implementing it.

Teachers could offer increasingly easy tests to maximize raises if they were allowed to maintain total control of the classrooms. If standardized testing were implemented to judge the performance of students without bias, then teachers will start teaching to the test and I don't think that benefits students in any way.

I'd like to see getting rid of bad teachers become easier, but that's about it.



if you were allowed to be paid based on performance as a teacher, you would maybe work harder at getting better performance out of your students.
instead you get paid the same as joe shmoe who does the bare minimum, which gives you no incentive to work harder than him.
hes not getting fired anyway, and you're not getting a raise anyway.

oh trust me...
China does the performance to compensation thing for teachers.. and its all good and nice until
A) like mind bomber said, teaching to the tests
B) when a student under performs or is draggin the class average down, the teacher gets very personal with the student, meeting with parents etc etc etc
and all the low performing students will be kicked around the different classes or "homerooms" like we have here, and @ extreme cases, being kicked out of the school.

ya... -.-
not really a solution...

you already see what asian parents do in vancouver, trying to put their children in the "best" high schools, now imagine if they had the performance/compensation system for teachers -.-

[falcon]

There are many professional positions that offer eight weeks or more paid time off per year. Teachers aren't even paid for that time however, it's almost the equivalent of a seasonal lay off.

Generous unpaid time off is by no means equivalent to compensation for time offered voluntarily to students.

Name any job that you can literally walk into after finishing school and get 8 weeks off, and paid for it. You won't be able to name one.

It took my dad 25 years to get to the point where he has been for the last little while for vacation (60 days).


Point is, when you take into account that a "yearly" salary for a teacher is in the high 40's starting and also take into account they get 2 months off as well as pretty awesome working hours I don't see what there really is to complain about. You "work" less than 6 hours a day and the rest is prep you can do at home. And once you have been doing the job for a while lesson plans stay the same year to year and less prep is needed.


Now back to the original post. I have a sister who is handicapped and was treated poorly and made fun of by a few students here and there when I was in HS which I promptly took care of being the older brother, but never had any issues with teachers. They all loved her and enjoyed teaching her each day. That being said I also went to a private school so that may have had something to do with it.

[falcon]

My Mom is an executive at a bank, she's given ten weeks off paid.

At my former position as a construction foreman, I was given 12 weeks off paid.

British Columbia Registered Nurses, my future position, are given 4-9 weeks off based on seniority.

All jobs that take years of schooling and work to get to that position where you get that much time off. Your argument is invalid. :moderatorban:

[bballguy]

Oh no!

[Glove]

Name any job that you can literally walk into after finishing school and get 8 weeks off, and paid for it. You won't be able to name one.

It took my dad 25 years to get to the point where he has been for the last little while for vacation (60 days).


Point is, when you take into account that a "yearly" salary for a teacher is in the high 40's starting and also take into account they get 2 months off as well as pretty awesome working hours I don't see what there really is to complain about. You "work" less than 6 hours a day and the rest is prep you can do at home. And once you have been doing the job for a while lesson plans stay the same year to year and less prep is needed.


Now back to the original post. I have a sister who is handicapped and was treated poorly and made fun of by a few students here and there when I was in HS which I promptly took care of being the older brother, but never had any issues with teachers. They all loved her and enjoyed teaching her each day. That being said I also went to a private school so that may have had something to do with it.

You can not walk into a teaching job after finishing school, you must TOC for atleast 4 year first, then MAYBE you might get something part time, if you happen to get full time, you start at 37 thousand a year with a bachelors.

so if you think of those 4 years as an apprentiship, only after they finish theyre only making 17 bucks an hour.

the thing about teaching is the pay ramps up very quickly after every year, BUT, there is a lot of pain to be had on the way there.

5 years of school, plus 4 years of part time TOC, is almost a 10 year investmet only to start off with 37k, they deserve every damn penny they earn. Imagin having to babysit 30 kids a day for 10 months a year.

imo 10 years to invest into a teaching career isnt even worth it, may as well go into medicine. Teachers dont get paid nearly enough, until they get a masters and have 10+ years of full time, which then they make 80k a year, which I think is fair,

you are vastly misinformed my friend.

[MindBomber]

All jobs that take years of schooling and work to get to that position where you get that much time off. Your argument is invalid. :moderatorban:

My argument is totally invalid, you're right..

I was 20 when I became a foreman and had no education relevant to my trade. I was fortunate, no denying that. My experience wasn't unique, however.

I wasn't making an argument that you could enter those positions without an education, so....

[Meowjin]

All jobs that take years of schooling and work to get to that position where you get that much time off. Your argument is invalid. :moderatorban:

I get 6 weeks paid vacation working at a warehouse.

Anyways haven't read much of the thread.

Only way to fix this is better primary education in relation to those with metntal illness.,

[Hurricane]

So we have a nurse defending teachers; big surprise there. Cut from the same cloth of overcompensation, and self-entitlement.

Don't get me wrong - many great teachers and nurses out there, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule these days.

Also, to say teachers don’t get paid for the summer is a bunch of bullshit. In a salaried position, you have a yearly salary, and you do a particular amount of work to earn it. Just so happens, teachers have 2 months off to twiddle their thumbs (or start a business, travel the world, spend quality time with their family) unlike many other entry-level (or any level) positions. Also, many teachers have their salary broken up into 12 monthly payments, so they are technically being paid all year like everyone else.

If it’s a surprise to anyone who chooses a career as a teacher that they have time off in the summer, then they probably shouldn’t be in the work category of people transferring knowledge to other humans.

In fact the opposite is generally true. People specifically choose the career because they are lazy fucks, and are more than happy with the salary under those terms. Then after some work, it becomes time to carry around the picket signs, and bitch about how they don’t get paid for 2 months.

Fortunately, there are many summer teaching opportunities locally and abroad for those who would prefer to ‘make money all year long.’

Performance based pay works in any forum, and it could be implemented in teaching. A combination of test scores, student reviews, formal reviews, academic contributions, etc. could make up a portion of some performance-based compensation system. I’d be happy to design the implementation strategy - good luck getting that one past the unions.

BTW MindBomber, what the fuck kind of trade hires a foreman with virtually no experience or education? That’s not called being fortunate, it’s called Employment Equity; mom taking good care of the boss man’s banking transactions; or going to the rigs, banking a pile of unpaid overtime, being laid off for 12 weeks and calling the banked overtime a regular wage. Not sure which of the 3 categories you fall in, but none of them are really ‘fortunate.’

If you were fortunate enough to be handed 12 weeks of vacation, a good salary, and a managerial position with no education at 20, all because of your charm and good looks, I would certainly say you are unique.

[zulutango]

I dunno....getting a 15% raise and a $4000 signing bonus last time is not what most people get when their contract expires. Both sides this time have valid points. Teachers are not the only ones, many employees work voluntary overtime with no pay. Many of these employees don't have the type of benifits, pensions and pay that the teachers do. It's the way things are these days.

[MindBomber]

So we have a nurse defending teachers; big surprise there. Cut from the same cloth of overcompensation, and self-entitlement.

Don't get me wrong - many great teachers and nurses out there, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule these days.

Also, to say teachers don’t get paid for the summer is a bunch of bullshit. In a salaried position, you have a yearly salary, and you do a particular amount of work to earn it. Just so happens, teachers have 2 months off to twiddle their thumbs (or start a business, travel the world, spend quality time with their family) unlike many other entry-level (or any level) positions. Also, many teachers have their salary broken up into 12 monthly payments, so they are technically being paid all year like everyone else.

If it’s a surprise to anyone who chooses a career as a teacher that they have time off in the summer, then they probably shouldn’t be in the work category of people transferring knowledge to other humans.

In fact the opposite is generally true. People specifically choose the career because they are lazy fucks, and are more than happy with the salary under those terms. Then after some work, it becomes time to carry around the picket signs, and bitch about how they don’t get paid for 2 months.

Fortunately, there are many summer teaching opportunities locally and abroad for those who would prefer to ‘make money all year long.’

Performance based pay works in any forum, and it could be implemented in teaching. A combination of test scores, student reviews, formal reviews, academic contributions, etc. could make up a portion of some performance-based compensation system. I’d be happy to design the implementation strategy - good luck getting that one past the unions.

BTW MindBomber, what the fuck kind of trade hires a foreman with virtually no experience or education? That’s not called being fortunate, it’s called Employment Equity; mom taking good care of the boss man’s banking transactions; or going to the rigs, banking a pile of unpaid overtime, being laid off for 12 weeks and calling the banked overtime a regular wage. Not sure which of the 3 categories you fall in, but none of them are really ‘fortunate.’

If you were fortunate enough to be handed 12 weeks of vacation, a good salary, and a managerial position with no education at 20, all because of your charm and good looks, I would certainly say you are unique.

I'm not a nurse, yet. Regardless, my opinion is irrelevant of any future ties to a union I might have. I'm not a big fan of the BCTF or any teachers union, because they actively prevent bad teachers from being dismissed.

I disagree that a performance based pay scale could be made to function in the education system. As I said, standardized tests are a detriment to students in my opinion and teachers could not be allowed to write tests under that system. Student reviews, maybe at the university level, but the opinions of a teenager aren't overly reliable. Even at the university level though, teacher rating would be closely linked to the end grade in the course. Academic contributions, as in, submitting papers to peer reviewed journals?

I didn't earn my foreman position based on employment equity, it was earned based on skill, hard work and well times job openings that allowed me to move up quickly.

[bcrdukes]

It's evident you are a staunch left-wing supporter.

[MindBomber]

It's evident you are a staunch left-wing supporter.

Yes, but I don't blindly support any position that could be considered left wing.

I don't like teachers unions, because I believe they are more detrimental to students than beneficial. They enable negative behaviour in teachers, because with enough seniority they can get away with anything. I just happen to not feel teachers are in the wrong for refusing to dedicate voluntary time to running extra-circular activities, and believe it would be difficult to base wages on a performance scale for a skill that is difficult to quantify mathematically.

[TheKingdom2000]

On the topic of special needs.

I obviously do not agree with what the teacher did or how she acts in front of her students. That is pretty messed up.

Though, from working with children with special needs I can see how you can get comfortable around them and I can also understand the frustrations that come with the job.

I'm glad I watched this as i'm going to make sure this summer when I work with special needs children I am extra careful now and make sure I don't fall prey to these types of behaviours.

I've worked with autistic children that are completely out of control and do not listen and are just a pain to work with. But, it has never crossed my mind to call them names or make fun of them. I just get frustrated. This teacher is pretty messed up for acting the way she does.

[Hurricane]

In before the ninja edit...

I started working fairly young and never held the typical burger flipping type position, so by 20 I had more work experience than most people my age (No, I'm not a drop out). Before I became a foreman; I was the first person at the yard every morning, I never missed work, I never turned down overtime, I was clean shaven and didn't wear beat to hell construction clothes. I worked harder than every other person on the site, I was more organized, and I always watched/studied what the person at the position above me did so when I was given the opportunity to do it myself I almost had it figured out already. I was the ideal employee and young. Being among a group of young construction workers who couldn't show up to work and old guys who were still helpers at 45 for a reason only made me look better. A position opened up for a temporary lower level foreman since someone was taking a long vacation, I got it, I rocked it, contractors were requesting only my crew come to jobs. So, when the top level foreman position opened up, I was given the opportunity over guys with a lot more experience than me. I did a better job, so I was the best candidate...

and then I decided to become a nurse

:suspicious:

Looks like a left-winger, sounds like a left-winger, walks like a right-winger...?

Well I bet they're glad to have you. Someone has to actually do some work over there once in a while.

If you're not just a master of rhetoric, it's kind of a sad story for me - a tale of a seemingly capable, ambitious person, throwing in the towel. :ohgodwhy:

[MindBomber]

In before the ninja edit...


:suspicious:

Looks like a left-winger, sounds like a left-winger, walks like a right-winger...?

Well I bet they're glad to have you. Someone has to actually do some work over there once in a while.

If you're not just a master of rhetoric, it's kind of a sad story for me - a tale of a seemingly capable, ambitious person, throwing in the towel. :ohgodwhy:

I ninja edited because I didn't want to take the thread tooo far off-topic.

I was severely injured in an accident at work and never healed enough to go back into the construction. If the accident had never happened I would have already started my own company.. was sorta lost for awhile, but was inspired to go into nursing by the nurses that worked with me during my recovery

:okay:

I'm definitely a left-winger in many regards, but I approach things pretty logically. While I'm very left on some issues, the environment for instance, I'm fairly centered on others, I definitely believe unions are breeding ground for inefficiency, whereas many leftist will defend them mercilessly. Select fields benefit from unions, but I can't think of many..

[Ludepower]

Can I get a cliff notes please?

[Glove]

like the old saying goes, those who hate unions, arent in one, and jelly.

who wouldnt want 2 months vacation with 80k a year? everyone wants it, but the people who dont have it, like to bitch about it to try and bring everyone else to their shitty level.

leave it alone, let the people who have it keep it, if you want it, get it, dont ruin it for others

[optiblue]

Someone is getting fired :)

[Everymans]

I didn't mean to turn this thread into another teachers vs. union thread. My bad.

[falcon]

I guess technically I get like 4 months paid vacation when I get laid off for the winter and go on EI. I win.


:fullofwin: