[Harvey Specter]

I'm getting rid of one of my cars and getting a SUV. I've read the reviews, spent all today looking around at the 3 different SUV's I'm in the market for. I was wondering if any owners or anyone that has knowledge about the 3 could give me their personal inputs?

From what I observed at looking at all three, the Q7 is basically fully loaded with a the s-line package. I love the front grille and the LED lights, interior is very nice but the exterior is a bit blah.

The RR sport was also nice but the build quality wasn't as nice as the Q7. And the X5 is well an X5, you can't really go wrong with it but it seems like everyone is driving one.

Any inputs would be appreciated.

[Over9K]

Jeep SRT 8?

Aspen?

Grand Cherokee?

Escalade?

Suburban?

Excursion?

If you want an SUV, go American. Or a Mercedes G class. I'm surprised I didn't see a fucking Land Rover in there (I'm talking about the horrible new ones).

Edit: There's also the QX56. But it seems like you love service departments at the dealer...

[bing]

^don't listen to this tool, he's a troll or a dumb ass. I think he's a bit of both.

[Vale46Rossi]

The newly redesigned ML are great cars the ML550 runs really good with the new engine

[Over9K]

^don't listen to this tool, he's a troll or a dumb ass. I think he's a bit of both.

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What's wrong with the above?

[MindBomber]

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What's wrong with the above?

What gave you the impression someone considering a Q7, RR or X5, aside from perhaps the Escalade, would be interested in any of the vehicles you listed?

It's like recommending someone considering a CL63 AMG look at a Camaro. They may be distant cousins, but they aren't really comparable.

[ScizzMoney]

Only one I have experience with is the Q7.

If I were in the market for an SUV it would be one I would consider for sure. Depending on what you value in a vehicle will really change what type of advice I would give you. I go for comfort and road noise. I liked it because it was nice and quiet and felt like I was driving on a sponge. I can't comment on it's off-road capability, but I'm sure if you wanted off-road you would probably want to lean towards the RR Sport. I'm not a fan of the rear seats (the 6th & 7th seats). I can't imagine toting around six other people. If there are that many I would just rather take two vehicles and have everyone comfortable. The vehicle really masks road feel, for better or worse. I actually like how it feels, some others will want more of a responsive feel.

[ScizzMoney]

I also think you guys need help reading what the OP was asking.

...I was wondering if any owners or anyone that has knowledge about the 3 could give me their personal inputs?...

He wasn't asking which american cousin to these would be a good substitute.

[bigzz786786]

don't get the range rover sport, if your dishing out that kind of cash, then get the range rover HSE, way better. the Q7 and X5 are full size, better comparison with the HSE

imo range rover is better then all other SUV's

[Over9K]

What gave you the impression someone considering a Q7, RR or X5, aside from perhaps the Escalade, would be interested in any of the vehicles you listed?

It's like recommending someone considering a CL63 AMG look at a Camaro. They may be distant cousins, but they aren't really comparable.

First of all, who would pick the CL? :suspicious:

Second of all, there's nothing wrong with a Jeep SRT8.

He asked for an SUV. I listed actual SUV's.

[Over9K]

don't get the range rover sport, if your dishing out that kind of cash, then get the range rover HSE, way better. the Q7 and X5 are full size, better comparison with the HSE

imo range rover is better then all other SUV's


Better at what? Showing others that you have a small penis?

Then again, this forum is heavily consisted of Asians.

Edit: If you must, at least stay away from the British. Out of those two, I'd go for the Audi, people won't really think you're a douche behind that BMW badge.

[dyan]

From what I've driven, the Q7 and the X5, I think the X5 has more comfort to it compared to the Q7.. which is just personal preference. However, a friend said he has problems with his Q7 (dont know specifics).

[Harvey Specter]

I've heard that the Q7 rides nice, I didn't get a chance to test drive it because the dealer was closing but I'm going back on Monday for a test drive. I'm also looking at the A7, if I decide to go with a sedan, because it's priced close to the Q7.

On a side note, I've never encountered more arrogant shits at both Land Rover dealerships. It actually turned me off because both Audi and BMW dealers were much more friendly.

[Eff-1]

I think I read the Q7 had some brake pad wear issues. But I could be wrong. Make sure you check out the Audi forums about that before you decide anything.

[ScizzMoney]

I've heard that the Q7 rides nice, I didn't get a chance to test drive it because the dealer was closing but I'm going back on Monday for a test drive. I'm also looking at the A7, if I decide to go with a sedan, because it's priced close to the Q7.

On a side note, I've never encountered more arrogant shits at both Land Rover dealerships. It actually turned me off because both Audi and BMW dealers were much more friendly.

I have been looking at Sedans, and the A7 and A6 are very similar but I did like the hatch on the A7.

What's odd about your side note is that I experienced the opposite. I was greeted warmly by one rep and the others acknowledged me with a headnod and whatnot. I got ignored and brushed aside at the BMW dealership I went to, and the Audi dealership I was at the guy I was talking to promptly left me when someone better dressed came in, haha. Maybe it was what I was wearing or how I was carrying msyelf. I was wearing just blue jeans and a polo shirt.

[donjalapeno]

i drove my boss' Q7 4.2 s line around in the summer and oh my god that car was a blast. As soon as you step inside you automatically feel bause. Fuel economy was terrible, i remember when i floored you could actually see the needle go down lol but fuel economy shouldnt be a big concern if your considering a SUV anyway.

[Harvey Specter]

Well my A5 has run into issues so I will be doing some research on the Q7 and funny thing is my salesperson told me today that he'll take my 2010 A5 in end of the year one year before my lease is up and upgrade me to the 2013 model. I should take a look at the A6, the A6 has always been the forgotten Audi because you don't see too many on the road and the sales people never mention it.

Lol, I was wearing trackpants and I haven't shaved for a few days so maybe that's why I wasn't taken serious haha.

Yup, the interior of the Q7 is amazing and black on black with the s-line package is so gangster but stunning at the same time. The diesel version is suppose to get better gas mileage; I think it's around a 1000km's on a single tank.

Black on black with s-line;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSZxHvkuOUg

[bigzz786786]

Better at what? Showing others that you have a small penis?

Then again, this forum is heavily consisted of Asians.

Edit: If you must, at least stay away from the British. Out of those two, I'd go for the Audi, people won't really think you're a douche behind that BMW badge.

I'm sorry, but are you assuming I have a small penis and Asian because I drive a range rover? Stay away from the British? The new range rovers use a ford engine because they are very strong and realiable motors for both naturally aspirated and forced induction. The crafstmanship and attention to detail for both interior and exterior is really quite something. I suppose it's about personal opinion.

My range only needs to be serviced 1 time a year. It's surprisingly good on gas and features are amazing. I guess when it comes to customer service experience it all depends on who you deal with. Either way OP I was simply saying that since you are looking at 2 cars that are full size then a full size range range rover would be a better comparison.

Either way, go to each dealership test drive the vehicles you are interested in, ask every single question about them, features, servicing cost, options, pricing, and to see what is covered by warranty and how many km is the warranty covered for.

[ScizzMoney]

The diesel will give better mileage and I'm assuming its not a huge concern but price of diesel is really high especially if you're in the lower Mainland. Here in Calgary I think it's between 40-50 cents cheaper per liter. I would test drive both if I were you, let us know how the diesel feels.

[lexluthor09]

I think I read the Q7 had some brake pad wear issues. But I could be wrong. Make sure you check out the Audi forums about that before you decide anything.

They wear through brake pads front + rear every 25K more or less, but that's probably because the amount of meat on the pad NEW is a lot less than a normal pad of any other audi car. or that its a heavy beast of a car.

[PJ]

This is all just what I heard.. I have very little experience with Audis.

A coworker of mine usually goes for BMW or Benz. But he really liked the Q7, so he went ahead and picked one up.. he traded it for an X5 within a year.
Oil burning and a "jumpy" transmission is what he complained about.
Apparently the new Audis are the worst out of the German bunch, and he said he won't be getting another Audi, ever.

It's a shame, really. The new A4 is on my to-test-drive list for my next car. :okay:

[Harvey Specter]

This is all just what I heard.. I have very little experience with Audis.

A coworker of mine usually goes for BMW or Benz. But he really liked the Q7, so he went ahead and picked one up.. he traded it for an X5 within a year.
Oil burning and a "jumpy" transmission is what he complained about.
Apparently the new Audis are the worst out of the German bunch, and he said he won't be getting another Audi, ever.

It's a shame, really. The new A4 is on my to-test-drive list for my next car. :okay:

I've had massive issues with oil burning with my A5. I have to top up every 2 months, it's absolutely ridiculous. From what I've read and what I've been told, the issue seems to be with the turbo engines.

[parm104]

Jah Dean,

Don't let your issues with the A5 discourage you from looking into another Audi. For some reason, the B8 2.0T cars have had known oil consumption issues (even though that is common problem for turbo cars.) They did issue a TSB (warranty recall) for this issue and with a firm foot, I've seen many people have the issue resolved.

Again, I had my B6 1.8T for about 6 years without any problems. I'm not rocking a 2011 3.2L without a turbo, and again (knock on wood) smooth as butter. Like I said, my 2011 3.2L is so smooth, I urge anyone who feels that these new cars are no longer German quality to take a ride in mine so I can show you how well-built these cars actually are.

Q7 I believe still comes in a 3.0L and a 4.2L in non-diesel applications. The only thing that I can think of that you may have to be careful about is that it is an FSI engine and that can lead to carbon build-up. My car is also FSI and with the 3.2L being a larger engine, it really needs to make sure it gets worked out every now and then so you can keep the carbon burning away. Many people have installed oil catch-cans to prevent future problems and have had great success.

Dollar for dollar, I feel your're getting a lot more in the Q7 than you would be in the X5. I do love the X5 interior/exterior design; however, drive quality and features, the Q7 takes the cake. This time, I urge you to do some research on Audizine to find out what people are having issues with so you know what to look out for.

[dark0821]

Have you considered the Base Cayenne? Ive sat in a pretty "optioned" Base Cayenne for about a good 45min drive to Harrison, and my GOD was it comfortable (I assume its just a re-badged Q7, since both are owned by VW)

I cant comment on comparison since I rarely get a chance to sit in a X5, ML or the RR you mentioned... But I think you should at least go to the Porsche just to try one out!

I am not sure what your budget is... but the owner said his Cayenne was just below 77000 "drive away price, so that was with tax and everything" which considering the 56000 msrp -.- ya... but honestly it was one of the best shotgun Ive sat it for the past 2 years...

[Hehe]

If you want an SUV, go American. Or a Mercedes G class. I'm surprised I didn't see a fucking Land Rover in there (I'm talking about the horrible new ones).

Edit: There's also the QX56. But it seems like you love service departments at the dealer...

The only american worth getting was the Hummer H1.

Now, back to the OP, I think all 3 models are due for a refresh/update in a year time. I'd look something else.

[godwin]

I would pick the Cayenne over the Q7 especially if you don't need the extra space. All 3 are a bit long on the platform wise too.

[Paradise240]

Have you thought about a MDX ? My uncle went to take a look at the MDX recently and quite enjoyed it. He didn't like the wind noise at higher speeds but he did like the price (53k I think) and the base model was well equipped. I think it's worth a look :)

[bing]

^MDX is not in the same league as owning a RR, ML, X5, Q7 or Cayenne.

[Roach]

IMO, all three are long-in-the-tooth and not surprisingly, all three will reveal re-designed models within the next two years.

Out of the three, I would choose the X5. It's still the driver's vehicle of the bunch.

If you are willing to venture outside of those three choices, I would suggest at least driving a low option Cayenne or Touraeg Executive line. The Touraeg is also available with the Q7's diesel and IMO, has a "fresher" interior design than the Audi.

Good luck with your choice!

Kev

[T4RAWR]

since all three listed are pavement pounders,

i'd say go for the x5.

[Pumbaa]

If reliability is a concern then they all suck. But IMO X5 has proven more reliable than the two. Kind of the reason why everyone got one I guess lol.
If performance is primary then X5 will do the job well. Especially your switching from A5.
Interior comfort and luxury will be RR for sure. But you will be dealing with a lot of issues.
Like PDC, TPMS, air suspension, etc. Trust me I know.
Audi Q7, IMO its just not that great in any of the category. Besides the S-line looks and the nice but fragile interior trims, it just isnt worth the money. Though its cheapest of the 3.

[Z3guy]

you only live once....spend the money and get an X5/6 M.....best of both worlds....

[T4RAWR]

If reliability is a concern then they all suck. But IMO X5 has proven more reliable than the two. Kind of the reason why everyone got one I guess lol.
If performance is primary then X5 will do the job well. Especially your switching from A5.
Interior comfort and luxury will be RR for sure. But you will be dealing with a lot of issues.
Like PDC, TPMS, air suspension, etc. Trust me I know.
Audi Q7, IMO its just not that great in any of the category. Besides the S-line looks and the nice but fragile interior trims, it just isnt worth the money. Though its cheapest of the 3.

armind's dad's x5 just blew a head gasket and they want 4k for a fix :suspicious:

[Pumbaa]

armind's dad's x5 just blew a head gasket and they want 4k for a fix :suspicious:

Ouch !What yr? But Like I said, they all suck.

All I can say is from my experience. I had a 2001 X5 for 8 yr ownership without any issues besides o2 sensor, and other wear and tear.
If OP want less bias opinions maybe check each model's forums.

[T4RAWR]

Ouch !What yr? But Like I said, they all suck.

All I can say is from my experience. I had a 2001 X5 for 8 yr ownership without any issues besides o2 sensor, and other wear and tear.
If OP want less bias opinions maybe check each model's forums.

did your x5 ever see any dirt time?

[Pumbaa]

did your x5 ever see any dirt time?

Nope, its just not sort of vehicle you would want near any dirt LOL.
But I have driven from Van to Nelson's Ashworth Hot spring, during winter.
With my set of 22inch with Toyos, which took us across with non stoping 13 hr drive on snowy mountain roads :D

[T4RAWR]

atleast you did more with yours than most :D

[Pumbaa]

atleast you did more with yours than most :D

True that

[rawr]

I know it's not what you're looking at, but I drove a X3 35i with the M-Sport Package the other day, and it was awesome. It's MUCH cheaper than a similarly optioned X5, and you're not giving up all that much in terms of practicality/room. That and the X5/Q7 should be due for a redesign in 1-2 years, so something to think about.

[wouwou]

I know it's not what you're looking at, but I drove a X3 35i with the M-Sport Package the other day, and it was awesome. It's MUCH cheaper than a similarly optioned X5, and you're not giving up all that much in terms of practicality/room. That and the X5/Q7 should be due for a redesign in 1-2 years, so something to think about.

That's what I did. Tested the X3, X5, Q5, Q7, ML, GLK and RX350 for a few weeks and decided on the X3 35i.

With a small family (just the wife and my daughter), the X3 35i more than fits our driving needs and occasional "fun" factor with a bunch of cash left for hookers and booze :ilied:

[Harvey Specter]

I'm keeping my A5, getting rid of my 328i coupe which BMW is willing to take in a year ahead of my lease return.

I looked at the X5 m package today, it looked great in black but my sales guy told me that he wouldn't bite on a x5 because of the redesign coming out. If I don't go with a SUV, I might go with the 550i because they had a white one with a m package and it was quite the looker. I'll let you guys know what I decide in the next few days.

[CharlieH]

the next gen x5 will be coming out not that far down the road so you might want to take that into account as well. i'd suggest a new cayenne. a well optioned out v6 and S will run you around 70 and 90 respectively. the interior of that car is much nicer than the competition imo, and you'll have at least another 5 years until the replacement comes out. only thing is you're looking at late october delivery if you order now lol.

[Z3guy]

^ I think the new Cayenne will be the sportiest of the bunch, but I think depreciation will be the 2nd worst after the RR........

[tofu1413]

considered the X5 diesel? pretty torquey, good consumption, and good resale (for some reason they fetch a premium over the standard 6 cyl and V8's....)

[too_slow]

^I'd take the Q7 3.0TDi over the X5d for reliability reasons alone.

[Pumbaa]

I'm keeping my A5, getting rid of my 328i coupe which BMW is willing to take in a year ahead of my lease return.

I looked at the X5 m package today, it looked great in black but my sales guy told me that he wouldn't bite on a x5 because of the redesign coming out. If I don't go with a SUV, I might go with the 550i because they had a white one with a m package and it was quite the looker. I'll let you guys know what I decide in the next few days.


Get the 535Xi or I :D
I have a 2008 M-sport, its so much more fun than a X5, and even with these crappy runflat summer tires, I was fine on snow. The smaller engine give you more balance and lighter feel, unless you do ton of highway driving, you dont need the 550 IMHO. There is really no need for SUV unless you are hauling stuff and people all the time.

[Hehe]

If you are willing to entertain sedan's option, I'd personally put a bit more money and go for 6 serie gran coupe.

It's IMO the best car BMW has to offer now. Seats 4 comfortably, great performance/mileage ratio and super hot-looking and fresh design (first year) car.

[jaemc]

I would go for the Audi Q7.

[Firmware]

http://www.xbimmers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=465152&stc=1&d=1292184573

BMW x5 M package.

[tofu1413]

^I'd take the Q7 3.0TDi over the X5d for reliability reasons alone.

problems? lol. only problem with X5 35D: fuel pump. thats it :ilied: its actually more reliable than the N55 powered X5 35i

pretty sure the audis would have similar problems too. those TDi's are pretty nice actually...

[Harvey Specter]

Cayenne has a 8-10 month waiting list. The Cayenne S was my first choice but the waiting list is way too long.

6 series gran coupe is stunning but my dealer has no info on it. On the topic of coupe/sedans, I'm going to Audi in a bit to take a look at the A7 which is another stunning looking car and the only dealerships willing take my current lease in is Audi and BMW because I'm a return a customer so I'm going to narrow down the list to a few cars from both Audi and BMW.

[godwin]

My friend just got his umber metallic S from Calgary.. it took him 5 months, just in time for his new born son. He then take it back to BC. It is not too horrible (he commutes in between both towns). That's only a bit a few weeks longer than a normal European car ordering process anyways. My beef with Porsche is more with MCL service more than the products.

Cayenne has a 8-10 month waiting list. The Cayenne S was my first choice but the waiting list is way too long.

6 series gran coupe is stunning but my dealer has no info on it. On the topic of coupe/sedans, I'm going to Audi in a bit to take a look at the A7 which is another stunning looking car and the only dealerships willing take my current lease in is Audi and BMW because I'm a return a customer so I'm going to narrow down the list to a few cars from both Audi and BMW.

[godwin]

Just note, yes they are torquey initially but the torque curve drops off pretty fast after the high point.. which is at pretty low RPM. You really need to be stuck on Highway1 during rush hour consistently to be able to see exceptional consumptions over an I6 (mainly due to the extra weight of the diesel subsystem and inherent weight of pretty much all the SUV mentioned).

considered the X5 diesel? pretty torquey, good consumption, and good resale (for some reason they fetch a premium over the standard 6 cyl and V8's....)

[Harvey Specter]

So guys I got rid my 328i and got myself a black on black 2010 750i from BJ. I'll post pictures tomorrow cause I'm too tired right now.

[Geoc]

Are you sure the Range Rover Sport is in the same class as the Q7 or the X5? Last time i checked RR cost a considerable 10k more than the Q7 or X5.

If you aren't keeping the car for a long time (3-4 years) I would go with the Range Rover IMO, as they have better wood trim, leather wrapped dash, etc.

[ws6ta]

So guys I got rid my 328i and got myself a black on black 2010 750i from BJ. I'll post pictures tomorrow cause I'm too tired right now.

congrats on the purchase! is it dark grey with white interior?

if so i almost bought that car last week. its sexy!

[Harvey Specter]

congrats on the purchase! is it dark grey with white interior?

i almost bought that car last week. its sexy!

Nope, black on black, such an amazing car to drive. You looking to buy a 7?

[ws6ta]

Nope, black on black, such an amazing car to drive. You looking to buy a 7?

I was thinking about getting rid of my rover for that grey with white interior 750i they have. i offered them 5k off their asking price but I think they have a one price policy at bj and would only give me 2k off (brother gives them tons of business) I ended up buying another rover. I know the rover gets beat in many categories by other cars/suv's but I just don't feel right without a black rover in the driver way :banghead:

Ive been obsessed with range rovers from way before I even had a license. something about going out on a saturday night in a black range rover makes it so much more fun.


does your 750i have the m sport package? good to see you went with the 750i and not the Li. the li is just too long

[Harvey Specter]

I wanted the RR but there was a wait until June for the model I wanted. My 750i doesn't have the m-sport, just the sport package. The m-sport package looks amazing but I think that was only on 2011+ models. I might swap out the bumper and rear if it's possible,

[crazie_gsr]

I recently picked up an 08 x5 with the v8 motor. Overall, It was pretty much what I expected out of the vehicle. The car handles quite nicely and has quite a bit of mmmph. Took it up to whistler a couple of weeks ago and the hills and twisties were just as fun as when I had my done up wrx. Yes, the wrx can whip around the corners quicker but the x5 was much more comfortable. Then again, we're comparing apples to oranges lol

The x5 I have is pretty much fully optioned out minus the rear seat entertainment which I don't care for. Audio lacks a bit of bass despite two subwoofers. Bass cuts out quite quickly once the volume is increased to a certain point. But if you are no an audiophile, it will suit it's purpose just fine.

The major complaint from many fellow x5 owners across the board is the harsh ride with the sport package and run flat 20" tires. Many have replaced them with non run flats and have noticed a considerably more comfortable ride. The idrive system is quite a pain still despite being updated recently. You have to scroll through a ton of menus to get to what you need done. The navigation system could be a little better. The lay out is not as great as some of the other vehicles out there. I believe my friends tsx had a much more user friendly navi and more details. The reverse cameras are a little slow to switch back to the regular view when the car is back in drive. But I think BMW did that purposely so that it you were parallel parking, that the pdc (sensor) and camera screen doesn't keep flipping back and forth. I find that once you start accelerating forward over like 10km/h, the screen will switch out of the parking aided screen.

I have not had much experience with the q7 nor the rr. I have a few co workers who drive RR and they absolutely love it. Another individual I knew who had a RR said the car started falling apart after a few months of driving it but that's only one person that I have heard that from.

I am very happy with my x5 but it does make me a little scared what the reliability of the car will be once out of warranty so at the moment, every little abnormal activity goes straight back to the shop as everything they replace extends the warranty of that part for another two years. Goodluck with your search. If u need more info, feel free to message me. Best thing is to test all and see what toots your horn:)

[Geoc]

Your x5 is an 08, it still has the shitty windows CE iDrive, the new QNX iDrive is only on the 2010's or later

[crazie_gsr]

yes but people still complain about the large amount of scrolling around to get things done in the 2010+ but it IS a big improvement over the one I have. I personally don't think it's too bad after getting used to the system, but it definitely was overwhelming at first.

[Harvey Specter]

The 750i hauls ass, god I didn't know this car was this quick. BJ is detailing and cleaning it up so I'll snap pictures later tonight.

My mom is looking at the X5 so she might get one depending on what deal she can get. There is an white/red interior X5m in the showroom, drop dead gorgeous and seriously one of the best looking SUV's on the market, that and the ML63.

[Shorn]

i was there 2 weeks ago but my friend was looking at 750Li's.. i guess if its primarily for yourself the short wheelbase is great but his wife just had a baby and the extra space in the back is so comfortable :ahwow:

[oldsnail]

i was looking into 7 seater SUV's several years ago.
i basiclly narrowed it down to X5,MDX, and Escalade.

X5 - the last seats are basically for children. Less luggage space, but has a spit tail gate rear. the options gave me an headache. It drove really nice and it was very comfortable.
Escalade - i had difficulties driving this one, it was so wide. all the seats were too soft, but it had a nice touch for the interior. the trunk space was poorly laid out for the seats seem to be in the way
MDX - i ended getting this one, it was all around better in fuel/ storage/ and comfort. it only had a few trims, so options werent a problem

[Harvey Specter]

i was there 2 weeks ago but my friend was looking at 750Li's.. i guess if its primarily for yourself the short wheelbase is great but his wife just had a baby and the extra space in the back is so comfortable :ahwow:

The 750i is a big enough for me, I find the Li too long but it does have more legroom in the back. The Li is a car you should be sitting in the back and letting your driver drive lol.

[Kalize]

X5 or Q7; RR is garbage

[wasabisashimi]

X5 or Q7; RR is garbage

That means there are alot of people driving garbage all around town. I see more RR/ RR sport these days

[Z3guy]

^RR are awesome until year 3.......then they are garbage......

[Harvey Specter]

That means there are alot of people driving garbage all around town. I see more RR/ RR sport these days

There was a good lease deal on them last month so maybe that's why more people are rolling around in RR sport and most people leasing don't care about reliability because everything is covered under warrenty.